Halak to St. Louis
Per RDS the St. Louis Blues have acquired Jaroslav Halak. No details on what the full trade is; expect it to be something substantial. An offer sheet for Halak definitely would have included a first round pick.
Update: It's Lars Eller and Ian Schultz. Does Eller's name look familiar? It should, he's the player picked with the first rounder that JFJ traded for Toskala.
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I’m extremely worried that Habs got a great return for him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
if it’s just for his rights, my guess is either a roster player + conditional pick, or a pick, really good prospect + another conditional pick.
I’m really hoping it isn’t Perron or Oshie coming to MTL.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Or American Hero David Backes… Only because it would be awkward.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ya, that would suck
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by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
or peiterangelo….I’d hate to face him and Subban as a pairing on the PP
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t even think it! Pietrangelo or Backes would be a disaster.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be a wild overpayment by the Blues if so
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by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at their D corps for next season; they already have 7 D-men signed for over $20M if you include Subban. And there is no way the Blues give up Pietrangelo.
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Yeah, I’m very worried this could turn out to be an incredibly savvy move.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I said as recently as yesterday that trading Halak would be the smart move.
I can’t believe they actually did it though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s still very young for a goalie. I don’t think he’s going to turn into a Raycroft or Toskala 2.0. Halak was the older of the two, wasn’t he?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
But Halak had the ability to drown out the montreal crowd
I don’t think Price ever will
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
not at all, I’m sure he’ll be fine in 98% of games
but the bad games every goalie has, the huge pressure of the playoffs
montreal might crush him
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I guy can dream.
Maybe this clears room for them to sign Toskala?
by WendelMadeMe on Jun 17, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
does blues have any decent goalie prospect they could’ve traded?
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they’ve got that Bishop guy who’s 6’7". Not sure how good he is though
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by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
their best rated goalie prospect is Jake Allen
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
/facepalm
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yeap
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit
Talk about losing a franchise.
by jmobes on Jun 17, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
WOW.
Eager to see who they get in return.
Also wonder if this trade sets off any others.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
So much for other franchises dreaming of getting Price.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking over St. Louis' roster
I’m thinking it involves David Perron’s RFA rights plus extras.
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Haha
I hope they only get french-sounding prospects in return.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Rights to Mike Weaver…his 5’9 frame fits the Habs
by WendelMadeMe on Jun 17, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Habs get Eller and Shultz!
I need to look these players up now.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
Eller is a good center prospect projected as a 2 way 2nd liner
know nothing of Shultz
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Schultz
scrapper.
Eller was the Blues second highest ranked prospect. Could be a Plekanec replacement…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not a good prospect Hockey’s Future has him ranked 17 among the Blues’ prospects.
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Is this confirmed yet?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
LeBrun is reporting it, and he’s pretty legit
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by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wait sorry
they’ve confirmed Halak has been traded but not who the Habs are getting in return
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jun 17, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
this is officially fucking hilarious
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Eller was our draft pick from the Toskala trade.
We’re fucking boned.
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No one will remember that if Price bombs.
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every time Eller scores a point or makes a hit or whatever against the Leafs it will be mentioned
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Blows his nose, steps on the ice, breathes, etc. etc.
This is the part that worries me most. The world generally maximizes pain for Leafs fans.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 17, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hockey’s Future has him as a 7.5C, and St. Louis’s 2nd best prospect (though I’ve never heard of 3 through 20). Kadri’s an 8.0C.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
thats a terrible trade…….they traded a very good young goalie for peanuts
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That was fast.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL TSN
Good move by Montreal. Anyone remember how Giguere turned out long term after his amazing playoff performance years ago for Anaheim?
Um, he won the Cup four years later?
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by clrkaitken on Jun 17, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
haha Marek
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
Habs goalie Jaro halak has been traded to the st louis blues. Working on who’s going the other way. Sounds like Boyes involved.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess who has the third best goalie in the Northeast Division……we do
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Forgot about Thomas…….i was thinking about starters
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Thomas is a starter…. :(
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminds me of when they traded Huet
Sink or swim for Price again.
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I’m sure they’ll sign Toskala to mentor him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
More food for thought
@ TSNBobMcKenzie
The amazing thing about the Halak trade is that no contract talks were conducted by MTL or STL with the goalie. Halak has KHL suitors.
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Facepalm on St. Louis if they can’t sign him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t everyone European have “KHL Suitors” now to help inflate contract value?
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Gustavsson didn’t. He took a great deal (for us).
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a good deal for The Monster too. It makes him a UFA in as short a time as possible. If he plays well, he gets a big payday in a couple of years.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
KHL Suitor
Pay that man. Pay that man his money.
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by clrkaitken on Jun 17, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
all day check check check check
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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 17, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fucking fuck.
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hey wrap!
and hahahaha, I just went around the office and told all the hockey fans, they’re all shitting themselves
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jun 17, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
this is all I can do
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new episode came out this weekend…it didn’t have the maenad so it was better than the second season already
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked the craziness she brought and what she did.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jun 17, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
good initial concept but I don’t think there was enough there to…hey you know what? Halak just got traded.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I was terrified at what they’d get when I first saw this.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah me to…Is the general consensus that this could be a steal for the Blues? I’m finding it tough to get a good read on what Halak could have brought in.
by Grabovski's better than you think on Jun 17, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I’ve been reading most claim Montreal would have got more if they’d held on until the draft.
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easily
I bet Philly is all “WTF?”
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they are the team that made him look mortal; I’m sure they would still have loved to have him.
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says that Philly, San Jose and Tampa Bay were in the talks. I think Philly’s issue would’ve been the lack of mid-level prospects and draft picks. We’re not giving Giroux (despite the French name) or JVR for Halak.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 17, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting. That’s what I hoped to hear :)
Wonder how Habs fans are taking the news…
by Grabovski's better than you think on Jun 17, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Halaks stats http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=72667
they are really really fucking good
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He faced the Leafs 3-6 times a year facing 600+ shots a game with no goals against so his stats are a little inflated
Not much, but a little bit
Boo hoo!
by Chris Stoikoff on Jun 17, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
well its more pointing out that his stats are consistently very very good and this year/ playoffs were not an anomaly
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I won’t deny that Halak has always been a good goalie. I’m glad we’ll only have to face him 0-1 times next year instead of 6.
Well, up to 8 games if we make the Cup Finals against the Blues. Playoffs!!!1
Boo hoo!
by Chris Stoikoff on Jun 17, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember behind the net doing a ranking of goalies based on advanced stats, and most of them were much of a muchness, but Halak was actulaly one of the few who stood from the crowd as better. This poas possibly a major bonehead move for the habs, depending on what his contract negotiation was going to be like.
It would be even funnier if they signed Price to a long term monster contract that he never lives upto
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Carey Price is going to be crying
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Oh yeah. Keep in mind MTL’s game plan relies on their goalie being able to stop 46 shots per game.
by Grabovski's better than you think on Jun 17, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s laughing right now…I think his asking price probably went up a little. Soon enough he’ll be crying though. ;)
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i bet almost anything he gets 4.5 mil
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Halak or Price? If either of those guys were getting that much I’d have just let it go to July 1 and take the RFA compensation.
I waited all year for this?
Well interestingly
They didn’t even enter negotiations on a contract with Halak. I think Price would be looking at the 3 million mark, but now that he’s been told that he’s the starter, he might be able to ask for more.
But if Halak wanted 4.5 million, RFA compensation would’ve made more sense.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jun 17, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Price, and id say 4ish now, not4.5, i was giddy with lulz earlier
I am all but convinced Halak gets a smaller dollar number than price tho
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
One Thing This Proves
Even Habs management knew this playoff run was a fluke. They take their best playoff performer and trade him, and get no roster players in return? Really?
Considering the Habs lineup, Lars Eller probably will be a roster player in 2010-11.
Still mind-boggling though. An offer sheet might get them 1st/2nd/3rd round picks.
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Not if the offer sheet came from the KHL…
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because the KHL can apparently sign NHL RFAs but the NHL isn’t allowed to sign KHL RFAs. Stupid Russians.
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That must be the real reason then…insurance against KHL. Then again, I’m sure the Habs could have just forked over more $. I mean, he is the reason the Habs advanced as far as they did in the playoffs…right?
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still, they could have waited till the draft and if the Blues wanted him that bad im sure the bidding war would have at least added a first going back to montreal
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Lars Eller is much better than San Jose’s 1+2+3.
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by Back In Black on Jun 17, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Montreal has no cap space.
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Interestingly, St. L. has a buttload. They could be major Marleau/Kovy players if they wanted to be.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the “if they wanted to be” that makes me think they won’t be.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They also have 12 players on their roster.
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$30MM goes a long way even for 11 players.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I did the math
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
I had no idea that Kovy’s middle name was MotherF’in.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Its slovakian
Just like my new goaltender.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Can that be confirmed? I just got off the phone with a diehard Habs friend of mine and he said they have in the realm of 10-12 mil to spend.
by Grabovski's better than you think on Jun 17, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
die hard does not equate to knowledgable
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jun 17, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
they have a ton of space yes
but they also have something like 5 forwards and no goalies signed
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent, that makes more sense.
by Grabovski's better than you think on Jun 17, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least we have a better SBnation site
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they also don’t do gamethreads
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus that guy bans anyone who even looks at him wrong.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I talk trash to him when he ventures to other sites
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that’s because you are leaf fans more than anything else. Both the comments are me, btw :P
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I know, so 0 comments from Habs fans. Where do they gather online?
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
four habs fans?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I checked, no real commenting feature there.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
the 4 good ones
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
All their computers perished in the great Second Round Riots of 2010.
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I’ve never commented there, though I do venture over from time to time.
Apparently he was banning Philly fans Left right and center during the Philly/Montreal series.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s too bad because it’s actually quite well done site.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, so not “people” per se
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they have a French version of the blog and that is the translated english version.
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The only thing that makes sense is that they’re getting young assets because they would rather use that money to re-sign Plekanec (which makes no sense vs. Halak), or to make a run at Marleau.
Either that, or somehow Sutter got a job with the Habs without us hearing about it… giving up a rising star for spare parts is his MO after all.
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this is going to be the best offseason ever
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Capitals must be kicking themselves. This Halak deal totally steals thunder from their Semin/Brodeur trade.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Wysh is doing pretty good for himself when not waiting at the loose moose
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh its way past rumour, it’s now a hilarious outlandish commentary on he who shall not be linked reporting.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hilarious rumor. I’m sure what Lou is looking for is a one dimensional scorer playing sheltered minutes.
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Psh I dont care about Eller. Who cares. I have high doubts that he’ll live up to the potential of Halak. The Toskala trade sucked ass obviously but thats only in retrospect. At the time it looked like a great trade. Stop comparing the two. This trade is just hilarious.
If Eller scores a hat trick on the Leafs next season, I’m blaming you. :)
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It’s not necessarily robbery for the Blues. As Mirtle points out on twitter, there will be abundant solid veteran goalies available cheap this summer. If STL has to pay big money to Halak they may well regret it.
NHL GMs are just starting to realize that outside of the Miller/Vokoun level, NHL goalies are a dime a dozen and should be paid as such.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Abundant? Solid?
http://www.capgeek.com/ufa_finder.php?Position=G&RTSS_Type=TOI_TOTPG
Pick one of those and tell me why you feel comfortable with him as your #1.
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I’ll take that Vancouver guy who makes $500K a year.
by Grabovski's better than you think on Jun 17, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
On a one year deal for less than $2.5MM, I’d take any one of Nabokov, Turco, Theodore, Niittymaki, Ellis.
For less than $1.5MM I’d take Emery, Leighton, Biron, Auld.
Not for the Leafs obviously, but speaking hypothetically.
I think more than one of those deals will be available before the UFA season is over. There aren’t enough starting jobs to go around. I think Mirtle’s got it right on this one.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
$2.5MM, I’d take any one of Nabokov, Turco, Theodore, Niittymaki, Ellis.
I don’t think Nab, Turco will go for $2.5. Maybe the last 3, but I wouldn’t want any as my #1.
$1.5MM I’d take Emery, Leighton, Biron, Auld.
Comfortable as your #1? Unless you have the Detroit team in front of him, I wouldn’t be comfortable with any of them.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Leighton and Niemi
See also Ward, Osgoode and Fleury. The only premier ‘keeper to win the Cup in a capped world was Giggy (Fleury was paid like a premier netminder but the stats don’t back it up).
You’re better off playing “cheap goalie roulette”, which is exactly Burke’s strategy and why I like it.
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You mean “Good goalie on ELC” roulette.
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Niemi was undrafted. Leighton was a UFA. Waiver wire IIRC.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
All of those teams’ goalies had damn good teams in front of them. Barring a spectacular offseason, I don’t see Montreal fielding an equivalent tier of players in front of any goalie.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a robbery by any means, but the return does seem light regardless for a goalie largely responsible for keeping Montreal in the playoffs for that long.
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Relative to what was perceived Halak’s trade value was, I think this is a steal.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s just the thing, I wonder if NHL GMs are getting smarter and Halak’s trade value is not what the general public thought.
At the end of the day, Halak’s sv% in the playoffs was actually lower than in the RS (.920 vs. .924). He was either amazing or horrible.
The weird thing to me is apparently the first call from Mtl to Halak was to say “You’re traded” (per McKenzie). I can’t imagine they didn’t at least ask what he wanted.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Even without that redic playoff run, he was still a damn good goalie during the RS.
I remember dreading playing him. Even some Washington fans were upset they had to go up against him in the first round.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Pierre Gauthier isn’t that much better. He used to be the sens GM after all. ;)
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HAHAHHAHAHA that makes it better
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hehe true. Its going to be sweet watching the habs nosedive over the next couple seasons
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.894/3.17 career playoff performance!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
puppetmaster?
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as a blues fan
whoooo. the blues have needed a no. 1 goalie who is not a career backup since mike keenan pissed off cujo and sent him to vegas (and eventually edmonton). Is Halak that guy? Maybe, but I know he has more upside than Ty Conklin and Chris Mason.
And Eller, while a good prospect, never seemed like he was going to get a shot in StL. The Blues couldn’t score a damn goal last year and refused to call him up — they didn’t really seem to like him.
You guys haven’t signed him yet… you just have the rights to him… don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jun 17, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
the blues have 30 mil in cap space
im sure they will sign him. why wouldnt he sign? hes going to be the no. 1 goalie — no carey price and the blues will pay market value.
Ya I saw Chris Mason at the worlds. You guys definitely needed an upgrade.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
1. You’re assuming Halak wants to play in St. Louis
2. You’re assuming Halak is only going to ask for “market price”
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jun 17, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless the Blues decide to make a huge run at some UFAs, I don’t see how they could be cap-constrained by this.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t mean they can’t sign him to a bad contract… i.e. DePrietro
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jun 17, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
OK true
They’ve done step 1 right, Let’s hope they can do step 2 right as well.
Get him signed.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
not a blues fan, I would prefer they sign him to a bad contract ;-)
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jun 17, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
1. why would he NOT want to play in st. louis? besides, his agent is shared by david perron who has a good relationship with the team.
2. why would the blues make a move like this — the first under new gm doug armstrong — and not sign him. sure they might have to overpay, but i think hes wearing a bluenote next season.
oh he’ll probably sign, but just saying, his signature’s not on the dotted line yet that’s all
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jun 17, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
oh he’ll sign
just the amount will dictate how good a deal it is
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Flip him for a better return!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How does this impact Price’s negotiating stance? You’d think Montreal would’ve been in a great place with two options on their table for their goalies, playing one off the other, but now it seems like they’re putting all their eggs in Price’s smoke, booze and jailbait filled basket. His agent would be crazy not to exploit that.
by BetterThanBester on Jun 17, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
He should hold out for a trade to SJ, Heatley (and sorta Kessel) style
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Wiki
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by Almo89 on Jun 17, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
Heh there’s always 1 guy who jumps on wikipedia the second an event happens.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 17, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s ok he fired 6 scouts
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Instead he waited until after he had a few draughts.
by Jo4nny on Jun 17, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
god i hope so
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I hope they lock him up at 5 mill
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If Plekanec moves or walks after this I’ll be laughing even harder. Maybe they were saving cap room for him by moving Halak, who knows…
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I just don’t want them to have the cap space to sign anyone of significance
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I ment more that I don’t want them landing another Cammalari
IE a player I want burke to sign but they out bid him
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see them going after marleau or frolov, and landing neither
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 17, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I suppose it makes sense...
Right after you make a deep and unexpected playoff run on the back of a definite #1 goalie, to trade him for a possible 2nd line player.
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The only thing more hilarious than this trade, is watching all the supposed Habs “fans” jumping off their team’s bandwagon as fast as they jumped on back in April.
jumping off bandwagon = jumping off cliff?
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I can’t believe they had the balls to do this.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
It’s still funny
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how TSN was overwhelmed earlier today haha. I’ve never seen that before.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I texted the hubby.
All he has is “Wow”
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
also on the tsn site
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=324933
holy shit
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions
yeah uh
I posted the photos earlier today
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
clearly no one pays attention to anything you do
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
/sad face
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
bad day to be french canadian
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy shit, I’m glad he and his son are both OK
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Caputi and Eller have very similar scoring rates in the AHL.
Schultz had 18 fights for the Hitmen last year. He put up 15 points in 23 playoff games and 55 points in 70 regluar season games. Not bad numbers for a 3rd round pick.
I wonder how Leaf fans would feel about these guys coming to Toronto – a little truculence and a little skill – in return for an RFA?
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I’d be really happy.
I think the Habs were really smart to do this.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it really weird that the Habs and Halak’s camp never even talked after the playoffs
must have been brewing a while
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too.
I think as fans we presume there’s a lot more communication between players and management or agents and management than there often turns out to be.
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I get what you’re saying, but if we had Halak – and all we got was Caputi and a player similar to Schultz, i’d have been pissed.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying anything. I’m honestly curious as to what Leaf fans would make of the deal.
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Ahh it sounded like you were trying to play devil’s advocate or something on the deal.
Yes they were in a tough situation with 2 RFA goalies, and clearly they couldn’t keep both. No one is debating that. I’m just shocked that this was all they could get in return.
Why did they deal him before the draft? Or wait until July 1 for an offer sheet? I’d imagine he could have gotten the 1st and 3rd compensation.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
hrm
this is true, I wonder if they could’ve gotten more for Halak.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
just say they had qualified Halak (to prevent an offer sheet) could they have traded him?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe so.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm, now I am really curious why they didn’t wait till the draft and at least attempt to entice a bidding war of sorts
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t that what Boston did with Kessel?
You can qualify and then trade an RFA.
You can’t match an offer sheet and then trade an RFA.
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exactly, if you match an offer sheet, it’s different
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
many, many, blues fans are thinking they kinda did
at the deadline, the blues traded former second-round pick aaron palushaj to the habs for matt d’agostini. it was supposed to be a move to help the NHL team now, but dags got the press box tour in stl.
a lot of blues conspiracy theorists thought the trade was really odd at the time and wondered if it would lead to something more.
I don’t think there’s much of a market for goalies right now. Folks on twitter are saying 25 teams have a starter locked up. I presume there wasn’t much of a market with the other 5?
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This is discussed up earlier in the thread I believe.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe a third person could chime in on this.
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ding
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
above they’re talking about the number of UFA goalies this year: Theodore, Nabokov, Mason, Ellis, Leighton, etc. etc.
Massive goalie market this year.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If we had Halak and exchanged him for Caputi and Schultz I’d ask why we didn’t let him get offer sheeted.
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We got Caputi instead of a 2nd rounder. Ian Schultz is ostensibly a 3rd rounder right?
Halak has more value than Ponikarovsky on the trade market and the Leafs would have more control of an RFA than a UFA.
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So if we had Halak and traded him for this haul I’d think it was terribly low even if Behindthenet pointed out that the difference between Price and Halak isn’t as huge as you think…
http://www.behindthenethockey.com/2010/4/27/1441743/halak-v-price-what-should-the-habs
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I agree with you, although it looks like Halak doesn’t have much more value on the trade market than Poni.
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Well the obvious fact is that you’re right, Caputi vs. Eller and Schultz isn’t a huge difference.
The difference between RFA rights to Halak and 20 games of Ponikarovsky seems like it should be worth more than that difference.
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That, OR, Montreal didn’t get fair value, where Poni trade we did.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What I’m saying is we sold high on Poni and MTL despite also selling high didn’t get a great haul.
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I’ve never understood the market for goalies or what fair value looks like.
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GMs allegedly tell agents to look for a deal for their players all the time – didn’t the Leafs do this with Mayers?
You’d think Gauthier could say to Alan Walsh – we’re going to qualify your client, I’d encourage you to beat the bushes to see if you can get him signed to an RFA offer sheet as we’d prefer the picks.
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Has Alan Walsh chimed in on this yet? He’s usually very vocal over twitter.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Last tweet was yesterday:
Received an e-mail from reporter claiming inside knowledge that Jaro Halak just purchased big home in Montreal. Total fantasy.
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haha, hint hint?
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
In hindsight, that looks like foreshadowing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You can’t be sure an offer sheet will come.
I think the market for goalies is going into a real state of flux as GMs figure out what a crapshoot it is. Three years ago Halak would have returned a king’s ransom. Now? Not so much.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 17, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Montreal felt cap-tied. 46MM over 14 players means they need to avoid notable roster players, really. They need so many kids on ELCs it’s scary. And that’s without a goalie signed. I refuse to believe that they couldn’t have gotten a better offer from someone else, but since they’re likely targetting kids that can play next year for cheap, I think they narrowed their options considerably.
So, to answer the question: I’d have been very unhappy if – with our cap situation – we lost one of the highest hyped goalies players in this UFA pool before the draft. Especially for a couple of rookies that have yet to prove that their game can stick in the NHL.
That’s a great answer, thanks.
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This
Is basically what Gauthier said in his call…
“WITH THE NEW CAP SYSTEM, VETERAN GUYS TAKE SO MUCH OFF YOUR PAYROLL… ACQUIRING A PLAYER LIKE LARS ELLER IS IMPORTANT… HE DOESN’T COST TOO MUCH… BEST EXAMPLE IS CHICAGO… KANE, TOEWS WERE STILL UNDER ENTRY LEVEL CONTRACTS.. THAT’S THE TYPE OF MANUEVERING WE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS NEW CAP SYSTEM…”
Sorry for the caps, that’s how we type in the industry.
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no worries
His point is valid, however, Eller is not a Kane or Toews or else the Blues would have been playing him last year.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Blaming the cap? That’s weak sauce.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry for the caps, that’s how we type in the industry.
Huh, I would have guessed “one-fingered and phonetically.”
On a more important topic, have you weighed in on Ron Wilson’s wardrobe from the Phaneuf/jersey newser yet?
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"one-fingered and phonetically."
no thats me!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If you ever wondered why analysts always yell over top of each other, it’s because we’ve all got our Caps lock on 24/7
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by mf37 on Jun 17, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hah
Loved that.
Laughed so hard when I saw it the first time.
Reminds me way too much of my own life.
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As a Hitmen fan, I loved Ian Schultz. He was a great leader and did anything you asked of him, go to the net, throw a big hit, drop the gloves, etc.
He is not a great skater and doesn’t have very good hands. He scored most of his goals from Kozun setups or off Joel Broda rebounds. And he didn’t warrant much higher than a 3rd round pick, even in his last season. He has a chance to be a serviceable 3rd liner in the NHL, but that’s as high as I would predict for him.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 17, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Caputi v. Eller is a bad comparison, they’re nowhere near equal in talent level.
Similar scoring rates over their time in the AHL, yes, but Eller is almost a year younger, is a much better skater, is a more dynamic offensive player and had a very strong 08/09 season in the Swedish Elite League.
Their draft positions, while not a perfect indicator of their current value, it is still a fairly good gauge of what the scouting community felt about them only three years ago… a mid-1st rounder v. a mid-round pick.
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Thanks for the edit.
I guess I should have said “similar scoring rates” and not “similar talent” or “similar potential” or “exact age” or “similar draft position” oh, wait…
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by Blue and White Expat on Jun 17, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Listening to both conference calls at work
St Louis has told Chris Mason that he will not be returning.
So there’s that.
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thats what he gets for blowing goats at the worlds
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
he did what now?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well thats about as productive as what he did do at the worlds
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel bad for him but, well, they’re a young team trying to grow together and he’s old
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Also noticable
Jaroslav Halak is adorably polite.
I’ve listened to a lot of conference calls, and can’t remember anyone ever saying “Hello!” back to every single reporter that signs in and says hello before they ask their questions.
He also said “You’re welcome” about 40 times.
D’awww. I can like him as a person now that he’s not a Hab.
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AWWWW
wow that’s really sweet.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then I’m happy for him.
I wonder if he wasn’t enjoying the adoration or what.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
From the sounds of it
It wasn’t the fans as much as it was the organization.
Said he was approached at the end of the year and told they’d start working on a contract, and the next he heard from the GM was a phone call that he’d been traded.
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yeah
I’m reading that from mirtle’s article too.
Which is rather bizarre.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Gauthier's Presser...
He mentioned that the team had made their mind up on Halak / Price a while ago and were just ‘playing things strategically’
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Halak’s play should have made their mind up for them, no? Apparently not…
Truculence...starting 10/1/09
you keep Halak if you think the rest of your team is really as good as the playoffs showed.
If you don’t think that, you keep Price and keep building.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we disagree on Price’s value…but he is cheaper to hold on to.
It might be that they chose Plekanec instead of Halak…who knows.
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define “value” here
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that makes sense
can’t keep both, and Price is cheaper with more room to grow, at least in my opinion.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Price doesn’t have the mental game that he needs to have if he’s going to play in Montreal. Games played: 41, 52, 41. I don’t see him being able to take on a 60 game schedule and come out with 30 wins.
Honestly, I think the smart move here would be to trade Price. Get the rights to one of the UFA goalies (and something else), have him agree to an extension before the trade. The problem is that with this (rather poor) Halak trade, I think they sank Price’s value, too.
Gauthier seems to disagree.
The mental aspect is probably true, but Price is only 22 vs. Halak at 25. At 22 years old you don’t necesserily see what a goalie really has to offer.
Price’s contract will be cheaper than Halak’s coming off this past season as well.
Keeping Price is, I think, the prudent move cap-wise.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep...
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PS
Can you tell that I just finished shotlisting 3 conference calls and am now out of things to do?
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case...
Anything else you want? I’ve got Halak, the Blues brass and the Habs GM
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not really
I prefer my own ideas to real facts ;)
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I really am interested in how much the Blues will sign Halak for now.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope its under 3
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This will be even more glorious when he crashes and burns.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
SV% 5 on 5
- Halak – 0.933
- Price – 0.921
SV % PP
- Halak – 0.892
- Price 0.866
SV% Shorthanded
- Halak – 0.838
- Price – 0.944
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Halak is brutal when the Habs are on the powerplay it seems
Boo hoo!
by Chris Stoikoff on Jun 17, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Stats!
Shorthanded save percentage is completely unsustainable.
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Well, Price should be hitting his physical prime…when Gomez is coming off their cap. But imo, planning around goalies six years in the future is just flat out dumb. He’s saying that Price is a franchise goaltender, and will be so for 5+ years. I think he’s good, but I think he should really be out of Montreal, for his own sake.
Home games played: 20 Road Games Played: 21
Home Save %: .904 Road Save %: .919
but Montreal isn’t going to do what’s best for Price for his own sake…
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
RIght, but I mean to say that I don’t think he’ll develop into the goaltender they dream he’ll be if he’s mentally bogged down in Montreal. He’s just not the kinda guy that puts his head down and says “I’ll prove them wrong!” He’s Crybaby Carey Price.
Also, he’ll be UFA after this next contract. They need to get another good goalie in their system soon.
Gauthier
All but guarenteed they’ll be picking up a goalie through free agency
Always follow the Crown Trools
To wit...
(PLANS FOR BACKUP) WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF THE PLAYERS AVAILABLE IN FREE AGENCY… I WOULD SAY YOU NEED TWO GOOD GOALTENDERS… WE’RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TWO GOOD GOALTENDERS…
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Yyyyeahhh. Remember when we talked about them being cap-tied earlier? Good luck, Gauthier! Enjoy Biron. It sounds French.
And Dan Ellis… and Ray Emery… and…
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray Emery to Montreal seriously ups the chances of a goalie fight.
Thomas v. Emery would be fun until Emery landed his first punch.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 18, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You think Biron will make more than Halak?
I don’t.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
it would be beneficial for Price if the Habs do pick up a more experienced goalie, on the tail end of his career.
Think about Giguere’s roll to Gustavsson as a mentor. Surely Price as a 22 year old wasn’t learning much from Halak, a guy he was battling a job for.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now here’s someone who speaks logic.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I totally agree with Blurr. They need to shelter the crap out of Price. But what I was trying to say earlier: veterans aren’t cheap. And MTL has 14 players signed and 46MM tied up.
Find someone who will play 45-50 games, post a .910 SVP, and will lay off MTL’s cap issue.
Mason won 30 games last year with the Blues and over the past two seasons has averaged a .915 save percentage and 2.47 goals-against average.
Exhibit A.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s pretty much who I came up with too. He’s 35, though, so you’ll need someone shortly after him. And he made 3 mil last year…can they talk him down to 1-2?
Yes, because there are a ton of goalies available this summer and what they sign for will be less than what they want.
I don’t know why you’d need someone after Mason, though. Sign him to a cheap, 3 year deal, and then see where Price is at within that time frame.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Mason on a 3 year deal ends up at 38 years old. Price would be 25. Mason is down to what, 20 to 30 games a year, I guess? If he’s still pulling .910?
I think they need to be aggressive on Dan Ellis. He plays very similarly to Price, and would be around for the three or four years they need to really shelter price.
The problem is that the second there’s any hint of a bidding war, MTL needs to bail asap. And every extra dollar price gets will slim down on your options for “protecting Price” goalie.
Dan Ellis would also be good.
Halak is 25 years old, and only being handed a starter’s job now, ideally (and this is hard to project) Price would actually be ready at the same age.
I’d also consider Nittymaki.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
Nittymaki is the type of guy who’s cut out to ‘lead’ Price in a market like Montreal. I expect them to go after Mason or Ellis
Always follow the Crown Trools
There are a couple options, but my major point was that they get cut down very quickly, both by role (playing a high number of games to shelter Price) and by cap hit.
I don’t know how they can even hope to keep Plekanec around. Scott Gomez might just be my favorite player.
Maybe if they can convince someone to front load a contract and drop the cap hit with extra years on the end…
I think they let Plekanec walk.
My read from this deal and Gauthier’s quotes is that he sees the value in good, ELC players and wants more of them in Montreal, rather than overpaying free agents.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Too bad Gainey isn’t still running the team.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow
good luck, Mason.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
clearly, Vesa’s gonna go back to San Jose.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the same could be said of Fleury, but he’s picked up his game considerably since his rough start.
You change a lot from when you’re 22 years old.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Halak
Home – 0.917
Road – 0.930
the swings are fairly similar statistically speaking. Maybe the “problem” isn’t really in net…?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree that Halak was probably the one to go in the long run, but the way they went about it and the return they got are underwhelming to say the least.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
their problem was that this summer there’s a plethora of goalies available, so they couldn’t get much in return for Halak. But to re-sign him would have been more expensive than signing Price will be, plus when you factor in age etc. I can see why they did it.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, the goalie pool is large, but who out there could garner a return other than Halak and not cost $8 million (cough, Nabokov, cough).
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 17, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemi.
Harding.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Harding seems to be the apple of many bloggers’ eye (mine included) and yet Minnesota is allegedly trying to trade him.
Odd disconnect, no?
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They’ve hitched their cart to Backstrom.
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
who ain’t too shabby in his own right…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemi, sure. But are the Hawks even shopping him?
Harding has been a career backup and hasn’t shown that he can handle the load yet.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 17, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We decided that the craziest parts of our fan base would light our homes on fire if we traded Price, so we knew who we were trading out of fear of our goldfish getting torched for a while now
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah
It was a safety and insurance issue more than anything else then.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafs connection to Eller is fantasy
I apologize if this has been brought up already, but why are people obsessed with the fact that Eller was drafted with the Leafs pick? We have no idea who JFJ would have taken in that spot, so unless you want to consider every player taken after Eller in 2007 a potential former Leaf as well, get over it.
The Leafs could very well have drafted the late Alexei Cheraponov with that pick.
No one here is obsessed with it.
Habs fans are too busy crying to be chirping us right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I don’t think fan anguish works that way.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 17, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
st louis is busy busy today – via Jeff Marek
St. Louis Blues acquire T.J. Hensick from the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for forward Julian Talbot.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions
I saw that – confirmed by Mirtle.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
However, this is less hilarious.
I have no idea who either of those players are.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I know and like Hensick.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
explain
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
see, Chewbacca is a wookie
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, and he is also known as Keith Aulie!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
from the planet Kashyyyk.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Now think about it; that does not make sense!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One of my favorite songs ever is “What would a wookie do?” by Clutch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkLcGLKybQ
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
More importantly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQb7xhhL8kk
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
so rec’d
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 18, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
But Chewbacca doesn't live on Endor!
Stupid cartoon juries…
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jun 17, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll find a way to make it impact.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You see, now instead of the rumours of Price for Carter, everyone can start saying Kaberle for Carter again. Yay.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
it's
Thomas + 2nd to Philly, Kaberle to Boston, and Carter to Toronto, silly!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
OH CRAP I forgot.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll let it pass.
THIS time.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh
I really really hate the new way AutCAD is setting up their programs
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
SEE
the Halak trade is impacting everything! Of course it will effect any potential Kaberle trade…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 17, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
interesting tidbit:
@Russostrib Source: the Wild offered Josh Harding to St. Louis for some time and inquired about Lars Eller “and couldn’t get him.”
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t know if it’s been discussed yet, but does anyone find it strange that they didn’t even TRY to sign Halak before trading him?
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yes, it’s been discussed above
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
interestingly, Mirtle says there were a number of issues between Montreal’s management and Halak/Walsh.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions
Please let it be something petty like he refused to learn french, or they didn’t like Walsh talking up his client on twitter.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 17, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hah
It looks like Mirtle was practically shot listing the conference call on twitter while I was sending out an email with the same stuff.
Always follow the Crown Trools
facepalm
@DamoSpin Gauthier picked the least popular of the three options before him. That’s the best evidence he might have made the right choice.
Thanks for the insightful comment!
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by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
You should save that for the next time Burke does an unpopular trade.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 17, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
ooooh
good idea!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 17, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
definatley
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 18, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha
A solid goaltender and playoff beast for a player that might play in the NHL some day (Eller) and one that will never play in the NHL (Schultz). Always nice to see Montreal eat a shitty trade. Makes the Gomez trade look like sheer genius!
by CancerousRocket on Jun 17, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions
That’s what Dallas fans said when they traded for Joe Nieuwendyk…
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jun 17, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
400+ comments on a trade that didn’t involve our team
I love PPP
the site too
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
So heres something you will like.
Earlier in the year we traded Aaron Palushaj one of our better prospects, maybe our 5th ranked one for Matt D’Agostini. We were all WTF is this about, this makes no sense. We sort of speculated that it was one of those “We will give you some cap room and a prospect, you owe us a favor later” type of deals. 3 months later Halak goes down.
Aaron Palushaj+Eller+Shultz=Dagger+Halak.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
even funnier
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
“ConkBlock” and “The Client” as our goalie duo. Im fucking giddy man. I want to cast them in a buddy buddy cop movie now.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
we have Giggy and the Monster, sounds like a dance troupe
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
’70s porn funk band.
Did you see the pool? They flipped the bitch!!
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 18, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
bring on the goalie fights
Grant Rollheiser 6’4"
Jussi Rynnas 6’5"
Ben Scrivens 6’2"
Jonas Gustavsson 6’3"
Jean-Sebastien Giguere 6’1"
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
Maybe just stop talking for a while Champ
Maybe sit the next few plays out.
Always follow the Crown Trools
James Riemer – 6`2
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 17, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Via twitter
@habsinsideout1
VERY funny line: Price’s agent Gerry Johansson: “Is this a good time to tell #Habs Carey has signed in Russia?”
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
I'm confused...
When did JFJ take over in Montreal and take a trade tutorial from Calgary? Vesa would make a great back up there now! Always such a good day when its a bad one for Montreal. :)
most hab fans I know have gone into depression.
"Every day you guys look worse and worse. And today you played like tomorrow." - John Mariucci
by whyevenbother on Jun 17, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s like Christmas came early.
"Every day you guys look worse and worse. And today you played like tomorrow." - John Mariucci
by whyevenbother on Jun 17, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, it’s funny the amount of silence coming from my Habs fans friends. you think i could shut them up in april?
Did you see the pool? They flipped the bitch!!
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 18, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
woooow
so I ventured into the canadiens blog, and they are convinced that this was a great exchange. Trading halak ( their playoff savior) for two kids. One who has only played 7 NHL games and another who has played a grand total on 0 NHL games. Gee, why wouldn’t montreal make this trade… :\. They are only giving up a goalie who proved he can play with the big boys (and win) for two kids who…MIGHT be decent. Heavy emphasis on might.
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Man
This was so much fun to go into my email inbox and read our Habs reporter trying to piece this trade together…
It starts out with Perron in a first.
It’s gets slightly less hilarious and slightly more depressed as the emails go on
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Louis Jean?
Does he swear in French, too?
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
not as good as the Flames fans debating over what the Leafs might have given them for Phaneuf, but good still
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 18, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, if you look at the start of this post, a few of us were worried it was going to be a lot bigger than it was too.
People dropped names like Perron, Backes, even Pietrangelo… I had chills going up my spine.
Lars Eller might be a good prospect… but this could have been a lot worse.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 18, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
People in glass houses...
Just read this on habsbuzz.com Fair point.
"Yeah, well, remember when they traded Rask for Raycroft?" ‘Nuff said.
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Rask, good prospect, unproven at the NHL level for a goalie who had some NHL success
Halak damn good numbers for 2 years, carried a team through 2 playoff series’ against the best offensive players in the NHL traded for a good prospect and a ok prospect
fair point, but still doesnt make the trade look any better
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 18, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I don’t remember Rask winning us 2 rounds of the playoffs nearly single-handedly, but then again my memory isn’t what it used to be.
Also, I seem to remember this particular incident where a goalie trade didn’t quite work out, from Wikipedia
the Canadiens traded Roy and captain Mike Keane to the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for Jocelyn Thibault, Martin Ručínský, and Andrei Kovalenko,
I think although it was a serious blunder to trade Rask for Raycroft, it wasn’t as bad as this^^^
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 18, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
When coach Mario Tremblay finally pulled Roy in the middle of the second period, Roy stormed past him and told team president Ronald Corey “It’s my last game in Montreal.”
I don’t think you can really fault them for that trade not working out, they believed they were forced to deal him.
and the Sens were forced to trade Heatly.
I don’t think Roy had any sort of NTC though, you think they could have gotten a better deal for the (at the time) easily best goaltender on the planet
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 19, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Montreal had options. They blew it 100%.
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LOL
We traded a prospect for a Calder Trophy winner. It turned out like shit.
They just traded a guy that would have won the Conn Smythe in a walk if they had won 3 more games for some knuckle dragger and a prospect not rated as highly as Kadri.
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I was talking to a Habs fan today
Told him that they may not have Halak, but whatshisname and whatshisface may work out just fine.
He laughed, but not as hard as the other hockey fans in the room.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 21, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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