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Have you seen this boy?

Blah, blah, blah. Talk about Pronger stealing the "game puck". Blah, blah, blah. A new Tomas Kaberle trade rumor emerges. Blah, blah, blah. Brian Burke talks to the media and remains vague as usual.

Boring.

Without a hockey game to be played, or a major shakeup happening there is little to report from June 1st, 2010. Though perhaps one story that could have seen the light of day, didn't for some reason. That being the fate of the 2008 Maple Leaf draft picks. Per the CBA:

  • A player not signed by his NHL team within two years of being drafted can re-enter the draft, as long as he is 20 years old or younger at the time of the subsequent draft. Players over 20 become unrestricted free agents.
  • NCAA players are an exception: NHL teams retain the rights to a college player until 30 days after the player has left college.
  • A team that does not sign a first-round draft pick is awarded a compensatory pick in a future draft upon losing the rights to that player.
  • A player who has been drafted a second time cannot re-enter.

I bring this up, because there was discussion yesterday of how Pittsburgh lost their 4th round pick, Nathan Moon, and how he will re-enter the draft. So this begs the question, what about the Leaf's picks? That year, the Leafs drafted Luke Schenn, Jimmy Hayes, Mikhail Stefanovich, Greg Pateryn, Joel Champagne, Jerome Flaake, Grant Rollheiser, and Andrew MacWilliam.

Star-divide

Out of that group, Schenn and Stefanovich have signed pro-contracts with the Leafs; Hayes, Rollheiser, and MacWilliam are playing in the NCAA; Pateryn was traded to Montreal in the Graboski deal; and Flaake is signed with Hamburg Freezers of the German League. So that makes Joel Champagne, who played in the QMJHL,  the odd man out. What happened to him?

This question was asked to one Damien Cox in his mailbox, but he didn't answer about Champagne. Per the rules, it appears as though the time to sign him has passed and that because he is only 20 years old, he'll re-enter the draft. Burke said just today that he wanted to make sure the Marlies were a more competitive team this coming season. Surely a kid who is 6'4", 220 lbs and put up 38 goals with 41 assists in 67 games in the Q could have something to offer no?

So I pose the question to you; Joel Champagne: missed opportunity to sign a decent player, or waste of a pro contract were he signed?

And now for some linkage.

The story of former Leaf, Brian Spencer.

I can guarantee you've never heard a story like this one before.

Are the Maple Leafs acting economically?

mf37 has a great post that is well worth your read.

How can they play the video game, if it's not plugged into the TV?

Bangin Panger with an ad photo for the new Wayne Gretzky hockey game that raises a lot of logical questions.

How many games does it take to win the Stanley Cup?

22 to 23 is the norm as found out by Broad Street Hockey.

Key topics up for discussion at the World Hockey Summit.

Player safety; youth development; and women's hockey.

The Top 10 Stanley Cup Finals Moments

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Should they win, the Hawks won't have to stop a 5 Cup run like in '61.

VLM takes a look at that series 49 years ago.

Since it's a day that ends in "day", here's more Kaberle trade talk.

This time dealing with the Northwest Division.

Brian Burke talks to the media about his offseason plans.

Kaberle, the draft, free agency, Kadri, etc....

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Heres a link just talking about apparent trade rumours.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Two-Sources-Leafs-Talking-Major-Moves-Soon-Lidstrom-Chart-Updates/1/28609

Dunno what I think. It says a goalie prospect is included in the deal and I dont really see why Burke would be going after goalies so its probably false.

by BlindSight on Jun 2, 2010 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

It’s the fraud. he is right about 2% of the time. We don’t link to him on this site.

Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole

by leafer1984 on Jun 2, 2010 7:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ah sorry bout that. Seemed a bit stupid to me too, just thought id list it though. Wont in the future.

by BlindSight on Jun 2, 2010 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

3% according to science.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 2, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

he he he. that piece made me laugh.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dear God you linked to he who shall not be linked

I think we try to avoid giving him any traffic.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that was berger?

40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.

by Kriv on Jun 2, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Both

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 2, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you still read Berger you can link to his Fan590 page but I have found that I can ignore him completely and I miss absolutely nothing.

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by PPP on Jun 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It says a goalie prospect is included in the deal and I dont really see why Burke would be going after goalies so its probably false.

97% of his trade rumours can’t stand up to logic.

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by PPP on Jun 2, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Logic? what is this “logic” you speak of.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever it is

it’s NOT welcome here.

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by Blinky on Jun 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

F U TSN and Bobby Orr

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.

by Icion on Jun 2, 2010 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Come on now, the dude is the best to ever play. That goal is a classic.

Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole

by leafer1984 on Jun 2, 2010 8:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haters gonna hate

I don’t think he can hear you because he has 2 Stanley Cup rings plugging his ears.
Or see you behind 8 Norris Trophies.

I’d say 40 years is a long time to hold a grudge but this is sports and I know better.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get to rewatch that and Yzerdicks fluke goal every commercial break during the playoffs. It gets old.

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.

by Icion on Jun 2, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to me.

Of course I get “What if Roy didn’t play like a rookie” and Messier unhinging his jaw to swallow the cup whole.

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fluke? I’ve never heard a ridiculous slap shot from the top of the circle a fluke before

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was the blue line.

He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.

by Icion on Jun 2, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

what ever, still it was an insane good shot,

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Jon Casey should think about covering top shelf.

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by PPP on Jun 2, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

WHAT A SHOT!

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by PPP on Jun 2, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Breaking news: Chris Pronger is kind of a dick.

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by Down Goes Brown on Jun 2, 2010 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

just read the brian spencer story

I thought it was fiction, until I scrolled back up and saw it was from the times. what. the. fuck…

40 years we've stayed loyal, waited, and pained. That is the honor of being a Leafs' fan.

by Kriv on Jun 2, 2010 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s in the scan pile for the Leaf of the Day. Was never really in the mood to tell that one.

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Jun 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know

at first I was like wooo his dad hated having to watch the Canucks too!
And then I was like oooh … ahhh… no.

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by Karina on Jun 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lidstrom signed a new contract?

this will definitely up Kabby’s value. Thank you Ken Holland

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by Kriv on Jun 2, 2010 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

some people maybe were under the illusion that Lidstrom would actually consider signing with someone other than the Wings, I guess.

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by Karina on Jun 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never thought he might sign somwehere else, just that he might retire

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he was thinking of going the Bourque route so he could finally win a Stanley Cup

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just the fact that he was technically available means that Kaberle’s leverage is substantially lower. The goal is to be the best available OFD, bar none.

by Bower Power on Jun 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Carcillo freight-training Carter reminds me when Hatcher tried to cheap-shot Steen and ended up killing Lupul instead.

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by Clawson on Jun 2, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Brian Spencer

was the subject of a better-than-you-would-think biopic on CBC in the 1990s.

It was called “Gross Misconduct” and was quite good. Look it up and watch it if you get a chance

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by pevans on Jun 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Directed by

Atom Egoyan. So one would expect it to have a “better-than-you-would-think” feel to it. Also, star of the X-Men movie franchise, Shawn Ashmore plays young “Spinner” Spencer/post-death inner-child narrator.

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by mudie on Jun 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously we don’t need Joel Champagne we have offensive dynamos like Phillippe Paradis to play center.

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by Chemmy on Jun 2, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

no comment

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean Champagne only had 79 points in in 65 games, what good is he?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

And he’s only 6’4" tall. That’s pretty damned small for a power forward.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

220lbs as a 20 year old? jeez could he put on some weight?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously. Byfualaighaghslgilinnis like 6’4" and 260 lbs. Get with it already Champagne!

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 2, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but he was bigger in junior.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burke said he needed to re-stock the cupboard, so he re-stocked the cupboard. His work has been double-plus good.

The Leafs have always planned on letting Champagne go. (If they did in fact get his name on an ELC, you’ll certainly know that I meant to say, “The Leafs have never planned on letting Champagne go.”)

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by mf37 on Jun 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well the deadline for signing him to a contract has passed, so I’ll go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt on the former.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 2, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

After doing more research, here's something else I don't get.

We’ve let Champagne go without signing him, yet last draft Burke picked Jamie Devane in the 3rd round. Like Champagne, he’s 6’4". Yet while Champagne put up 79 points in 67 games in the Q with PEI and Victoriaville; Devane only put up 14 points in 61 games in the O with Plymouth.

Devane has since been signed to an ELC, even playing two games for the Marlies where he recorded all of 4 PIM. /facepalm

Me thinks Burke signed the wrong guy here.

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by SkinnyFish on Jun 2, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really dislike that Devane pick. The kid wasn’t even ranked among the top 50 OHL prospects, how is it he goes in the 3rd round?

Muscle and meatheads are almost always easy to find in the UFA pool, why waste a pick on it?

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by mf37 on Jun 2, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That class looks pretty underwhelming beyond Kadri and D’Amigo

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blacker and Ryan are pretty solid 2nd round picks, low risk high reward type guys

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Blacker and Ryan are looking decent so far.

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by PPP on Jun 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

/looks up….looks back to comment

/shrugs

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally different words. You said solid. I said decent. It’s like three different comments almost.

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by PPP on Jun 2, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Finger/Sauer 2.0! Old man Fletcher looking after the offer sheets again?

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I threw a Champagne post up on the front page. It merits its own thread.

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by Chemmy on Jun 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I can't believe I'm doing this
@simmonssteve The Kaberle suitors are up to five teams – Almost certainly he will be traded within the next six weeks

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by Karina on Jun 2, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

next time probably better to link to the TSN article where I’m sure HE got his info.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=323363

next 6 weeks is a bit of a silly statement, considering he can’t (or still has NTC powers) until the draft.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the draft is in just over 3 weeks… so yeah he’s probably getting people’s hopes up a bit, but it’s not really that inaccurate.

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by Karina on Jun 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not need this fueling my hope

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here you go, then
@TSNBobMcKenzie Keep this in mind on Kaberle trade scenario – if he isn’t prepared to sign long term with acquiring club it drastically affects Leaf return.

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by Karina on Jun 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

well duh

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if we’re acquiring the 4th overall pick this year it will be done within the next three weeks.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 2, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

unlikely
more likely it’ll be done on the 25th.

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by Karina on Jun 2, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Pronger Craigslist ad

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by Karina on Jun 2, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

haha jokes

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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 2, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey mf37

The “player development” section of your blog post intrigued me. I can see two potential arguments. One, by putting a kid in the CHL/AHL instead of the NHL, they get to play in more situations and create a better “inventory” of decisions that will better serve them in the NHL. One might point to Myers vs. Schenn as an example of this (recognizing we have no way of really knowing if there’s actual causation).

On the other hand, one might argue that playing in the CHL/AHL actually leads a player to develop (or over-develop) the WRONG set of options given the inferior level of opposition—what would be best for a player is playing at the highest level they can physically manage so that they are building a repertoire of skills that will actually be effective at the NHL level. Steven Stamkos’ explosion in year two would support this theory.

I can’t begin to say which is the better answer, and I doubt we’ll ever know—a controlled experiment is obviously impossible. I also frankly doubt there’s a one size fits all answer—it probably depends on the prospect. Still, it’s an interesting way of analyzing the issue.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 2, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

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