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Much attention has been devoted over the past half season to the UFA market this year.  Names like Kovalchuk, Marleau, and Plekanec have all been tossed around as possible scoring forwards to aid what ails the Leafs - a lack of offensive production.


The Leafs do also have some RFAs to re-sign, but assuming they can keep Nikolai Kulemin in the fold I have a suggestion/solution for everyone's consideration.

Maxim Afinogenov

Star-divide

He's only 30 years old, he's been a fairly consistent 20 goal scorer over the course of his NHL career, and he'd provide a decent 2nd line scoring option to play alongside Mikhail Grabovski and Kulemin if the Leafs went with that trio in support of the likes of Tyler Bozak, Phil Kessel, and Viktor Stalberg.

The main reason I contemplated this is the play of Afinogenov and Kulemin together on a line for the Russian Men's team at this year's LG Hockey Games, and the IIHF World Championships.  Afinogenov registered 3 goals and 4 assists for 7 points in 9 games at the World Championships, and he registered 61 points this past season with the Atlanta Thrashers.  The Thrashers took a one year flyer on him, paying him $800,000 to see if he could resurrect his career away from Buffalo, where he had played his entire NHL career.

Given the fact that his production shot back up playing alongside Nik Antropov and Ilya Kovalchuk, his 61 points should be taken with a grain of salt, but he would definitely increase the skill level up front for the Leafs, and give them a legit power play threat that would attract some attention away from the likes of Phil Kessel.  I would be surprised if he cost the Leafs more than $3 million a year on a 2 or 3 year deal.

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Not knowing much about his 2-way play, is he a player that Wilson would put up with? In other words, is he a defensive liability?

by lordosis on Jun 2, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

if there are no better options, and he isnt that expensive, why not

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

There are obvious downsides, but it’s not like there are that many better options out there.

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by article1 on Jun 2, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Stalberg is our first line left wing? God help us.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually

on the basis of experience in the NHL, I think Kessel, Bozak, and Stalberg would likely be the 2nd line in terms of minutes of ice time.

In reality that would be a 1, 1A situation. I’m just putting Kulemin with Afinogenov and Grabovski for familiarity sake… also Bozak and Stalberg have played together at points… we all know Wilson would use the line blender with regularity either way.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see ANY point in breaking up Kulemin – Bozak – Kessel. That line was one of the top point producing lines over the last 2 months of the season.

Stalberg simply isn’t ready for top 6 minutes. Even if you add Afinogenov, you are still missing another top 6 forward.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

stalberg – grabbo- afinigenov
that is one speedy line

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. They’d be fast. Too bad hockey is only played with one puck

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

im not sure of Figgaro’s playmaking ability, but grabbo is pretty good at passing when his linmates can keep up

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

All 3 of those guys are puck carriers. Stalberg doesn’t know how to do anything without the puck on his stick.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they're working on that

he had at least 2 nice one timer goals near the end of the year.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure they are. I’m just going have to see it before I take it for granted.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Figgaro

And a new nickname is born.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're halfway through the rebuild

You won’t fix everything overnight… and the Kaberle trade still hasn’t happened… we might get a 1st round draft pick out of this that turns into a top 6 forward down the line.

Don’t forget Kadri is there for a year from now, as is DiDomenico, Paradis, Stefanovich, Mitchell, etc. we don’t know how they work out just yet.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t have a problem signing the guy. Just keep it to a one year deal, and if the Leafs are out of it by March, trade him.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think a 2 year deal

would be more likely… he isn’t likely to sign a one off with this UFA class.

$3 mill wouldn’t be ridiculous.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Role Reversal

If you’re Max Afiniganov, would you sign a 1 year deal coming off a season like that?

I sure as hell wouldn’t.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Afinogenov would go for it, but an optional 2nd year, that automatically triggerd if he hit certain scoring targets would be ideal.

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by article1 on Jun 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think such a clause exists under the current CBA.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

would be nice like in baseball good for teams and players
gonzo for Tor for example and Lind signed for one of the most team friendly contract I’ve ever seen in baseball

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by Redonred on Jun 2, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya unfortunately I haven’t followed baseball since I was 8 so you lost me immediately

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you go with incentive-laden two year deals? Low basic salary, but with lots of bonuses for scoring?

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by article1 on Jun 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it works

with the CBA expiring it makes no difference… it’ll count against the cap.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one ever remembers the dreaded final year of the CBA.

by Tynford on Jun 3, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

We learned in the discussion of the possibility of MVR’s return that performance bonuses can be earned if you have an ELC, a 35+ 1-year deal, or have played in over 400 NHL games (or something along these lines)

I think incentive deals are 1-year only though. Not sure off the top of my head.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

didn’t know that.

He would only meet the 400 games requirement … the other two are out.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s only played 353 games

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this whole argument is moot, he already took a low-salary discount year to prove he still belonged in the NHL, and he does. Why would he take another one?

Just sayin, i’ve im Max Afiniganov, and I put up 61 points for $800k, I’m going to be looking for a multi-year UFA deal.

Not break-the-bank, but you dont think a team will offer a 3-year $3m/year for a 20-goal, 60 point guy?

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You won’t fix everything overnight

We will if we get Bobby Ryan and 3 first round picks for Kaberle!!!!!111

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your logic.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Stalberg WASN’T ready for top 6 minutes, we don’t know how he’s going to play next year now that he has a rookie season under his belt.

I think he might surprise you.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

C’mon Steve. That is incredibly wishful thinking.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think him playing

top 6 minutes is wishful thinking… I don’t think he’ll put up top 6 points, but I think he could play top 6 minutes.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember

Kulemin didn’t start last year playing top 6 minutes, but by the end he was.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kulemin has more offensive talent than Stalberg does.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not in the preseason – when it matters doesn’t matter

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

but I don’t think all of your top 6 have to score 30+ goals. You need players that bang and crash to compete, and Stalberg can do that.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but you need top 6 guys to do more than go wide down the wing. Stalberg’s game isn’t nearly rounded enough yet to say he’s for sure a top 6 guy.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, he did show that he has the skill to play in the bigs, he just needs to work on his consistancy
and keep his fucking head up

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a fantastic skater, but the rest of his offensive game is below average.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

His stick handling

is sub par, because he doesn’t really need to with his outside speed.

His shot is average, and his timing and positioning could use some work… I’m not sure I’d call him below average though.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

id go as far to say his shot is above average, but he just doesnt know when to use it, his hands cant keep up with his feet, especially against NHL goalies

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh and on the forecheck

he lays the body pretty well. He was putting up some hit numbers near the end of the year… a la early Kulemin.

I don’t think his upside is as high, but I think he could turn into a Fredrik Modin type player longer term.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s hard for me too look at him and not see Sjostrom.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he turns into Shoestorm oh well, he’s a 6th round pick and thats more than most of them turn into, also you need players liket hat

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t hate a few more defensively-responsible forwards in our bottom 6.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

I think he produced too well in a short trial run last year to just turn into Sjostrom.

He was never consistently with the team for the full year… give him time and he’ll keep developing.

I think he’ll be a 20 goal guy eventually.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

His shot is below average. He’s release is slow and his accuracy is so-so. His skater is excellent up and down the ice, but there’s no width to his game yet. His stickhandling is sub-par, and I don’t think we’ve seen him pass enough to say its anything special.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

His stick handling

was actually quite good when he was younger… he just hasn’t had to do much of it… if he worked on it I’m sure it would improve.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

his one timer is pretty good, his wrister is lack luster, im averaging

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is that Stalberg isn’t a set up in the slot type of guy. He likes the puck on his stick, same as Kessel, same as Grabbo. Those type of players don’t need excellent one timers. They need hard, accurate wrist shots with a quick release. None of that describes Stalberg’s wrist shot at this time.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope, kid needs some work for sure, but his hockey sense isnt terrible and he has wheels you cant teach. if he is smart and hard working i dont see anyway he cant be an effective 2nd liner on a contender

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just doesn’t fit on the top two lines right now. Kessel is a puck carrier. Grabbo is a puck carrier. Kulemin exceeded late last year because he’s able to play without the puck. If you’ve got a bunch of puck carriers on your top lines, then you need to supplement them with guys who can play off the puck. Rene Bourque, Ryan Clowe, etc. Stalberg does not fit that mold righ tnow.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh well, then he spends his time on the 3rd line learning to round his game and become a good 2 way player
he is too good for the AHL

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d be fine with that… it’s exactly what we did with Kulemin this past year.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not here to make predictions, but Caputi seems like a better fit as the 2nd line LW right now than Stalberg.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think that Caputi has the wheels to keep up with Grabbo, though?

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by JP Nikota on Jun 2, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caputi isn’t a terrible skater. He’s just not speedy. He’s excellent as a 2nd pr 3rd guy in, crash the net type of guy. He’s got decent hands around the net.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

he looked great in his first few games with the leafs, but once the shine wore off he seemed overwhelmed and out of his depth

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t have the bulk yet. Needs to work on his acceleration. But he’s produced at both the OHL and AHL levels.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless he has improved over the summer (like he should have) then he should be in the AHL
I’d love him to come in and prove he belongs in the NHL next year, but from all i saw last year i think Stalberg is the most NHL ready out of the pair

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caputi had 6 points in 19 games. Stalberg had 14 in 40. If Caputi had played 40 games, he may very well have scored as many points as Stalberg.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

or he could have gotten caught with his head down, missed time with a concussion, came back and played gun shy for 15 or so games before he finally started playing with gusto again

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

anything’s possible i guess

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caputi needs to work on his skating though, I think he’d be better suited on the 3rd line

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't think

it’ll be impossible to teach him where to go without the puck.

I’m not going to bury him next year at this point… the Leafs need to see what they’ve got in him, and I don’t think playing him on the 4th line makes any sense.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t either. I think Stalberg might be better suited to more time in the AHL

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope and pray that by October we have the offensive depth that will make that possible.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

24 year olds don’t belong in the AHL if they ever hope to succeed in the NHL, and he won’t learn anything there where presumably he can just blow by guys with his speed.

Stalberg has shown he’s good enough to be promoted. And it’s not like we’re the early 2000s Red Wings. He’s at least good enough to play the 3rd line, let’s see if he’s anything more.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

So he’s the anti-Jason Allison?

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take 4

please.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except

he’s not a midget… he’s roughly the same size as Allison was… and he’s developing some sandpaper. He hits too.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

there’s alot to like about Stalberg and let’s give him some more time to adjust to the NHL but the one thing that is clearly missing from his game is hockey sense (or hockey IQ). I’m a big believer that having hockey sense can compensate for defiencies in alot of other areas.

If Stalberg had Bozak’s hockey sense, you’d have some sort of player. But then again, I doubt he’d last until the 6th round of an entry draft

by Shack23 on Jun 3, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I don't like about Stalberg

is his number. 45? Can’t wait, now that last season’s shake up is done, for the established kids to come in with better jersey #s. Kadri, Sr. Stalbergo, Kulie, etc. need to get out of the 40s!

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

we should start calling him Colt

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pass.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

FASTEST 6 GUN IN THE WEST

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

HA, mere mortals think they can stop me from using a nick name, it will catch, oh lordy will it catch

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is your worst idea yet. And that’s saying something!

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

COLT 45 BLOWS BY AK47 ON THE WING AND WITH A QUICK DRAW BLAST HE SNIPES ONE TOP SHELF

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec’d

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un-rec’d.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

its catching, oh yes, its catching

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

just you wait

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has above average speed and seemed to be putting his hands together in the last dozen games. Time to find out what we’ve got in a lot of players so they might as well try a lot of guys up with Kessel and bozak.

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by PPP on Jun 2, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

$3m for three years would be hard to swallow. I’d take him very short term: one or maybe two years.

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by Chemmy on Jun 2, 2010 10:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Not sure he does that again after last year’s performance. Weak UFA class means he could probably get a decent length deal.

by lordosis on Jun 2, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so sure at the age of 30

and with the fact that he’s been amazingly brittle over his career.

He was hard pressed to get $800,000 from Atlanta last year, despite being better than a ppg player only 2 years previously.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be fine with a 2 year

$3 mill per year deal.

Sign Kulemin to the same deal, and use that as an incentive for both to produce.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Afinogenov is looking at something closer to 4 million per year for 2+ years. I don’t know how you justify paying Kulemin and Afinogenov the same $$. Completely different levels of production.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he wants that much i hope he likes new york

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

One is 30+

the other is 22…

for Afinogenov you’re paying for what he’s done, for Kulemin you’re paying for what he will become.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, looks like a number of commenters over at Bird Watcher’s Anonymous agree with you.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No reason for him to sign that contract. With a barren UFA class I think 3 yrs, $3MM is the least he gets. This is a guy with 4 20+ goal seasons and 3 60+ point seasons.

I like Steve’s idea but I think Afino will get priced/termed out of our range.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, I’m counting heavily on the “it only takes one dumb GM” in my prediction here. I don’t think 3 yrs $3MM is a wise investment obviously.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's just an idea I'm tossing out at this point

If we trade Kaberle for the likes of Backes or something it becomes less likely.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions  

my current thoughts is Kaberle gets traded for picks and prospects and either Burke signs one of the big two or uses the assets to trade for a Backes or something

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading for Backes isn’t in the same tier of crazy as Bobby Ryan, but I think it’s getting there.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but he's a UFA

after this year, and St Louis has a crapload of young good players coming up. They might not want to renew his deal. Trading him for an offensive blue liner wouldn’t kill them… but they have Pieterangelo coming up so they don’t really need one.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a decent fit since they’re both UFAs after next year and they address obvious needs.

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by article1 on Jun 2, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

the thing is, from what I can deduce is not enough teams need Kaberle that would be able to give the type of return Burke is looking for, so maybe its a two step kinda thing
Kaberle to team A for assets that team B needs then assets to team B+ or – assets that either burke wants to keep/ get ride of for player/package that burke wants

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

All teams, please pass one player to the team on your left.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

So first you bring up a potential Kaberle for Backes trade, then you shoot it down due to it making no sense. Ummm…….

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by SkinnyFish on Jun 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say it makes no sense

I said they might not have interest… it’s an idea… which is all this posting is about at this point.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading for Kaberle

would let them shelter Pieterangelo offensively… he wouldn’t have to be St Louis’ version of Drew Doughty or Tyler Myers right away… he could develop at his own pace.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’ve already got E. Johnson and Splodey Bones for that though. So with those two plus Pieterangelo, Kaberle makes one too many “puck moving” defensemen.

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by SkinnyFish on Jun 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose

but they were trying to ditch Coliacovo at one point last year… I don’t know that they want to keep him… but yeah I realize they have some guys that can do that already.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

they want to keep him now that Junland has left for the Swedish Elite league

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also had 32 points in 67 games, thats not too shabby

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’d be an excellent piece to add and mentor the kids as well as shelter them from over exposure….if he was free or cheap, but he would be neither

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont see the Blues having interest in Kaberle for the price, Johnson, Peiterangelo and even splodybones for free if they want to keep him

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya these players kind of make Kabs redundant, especially for the price would would want.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok so not Backes

Wheeler from Boston, or Olesz from Florida … who knows?

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 2, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler is possible. Boston seems to hate him, and he is boys with Kessel.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also kinda blows

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d assume that’s why Boston hates him.

I don’t know much about him, just sayin’ I agree with Steve that acquiring him seems entirely in the realm of possibility.

Stats-wise he’s put up similar (slightly better) numbers than Kulemin these past 2 years. I realize Kule-Aid brings the intangibles or whatever, but still.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I remember from the WJC, Pietrangelo is slow as molasses.. needs to work on his speed for sure

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by Chris Stoikoff on Jun 3, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand the Ryan trade rumours at all. Anaheim aren’t anywhere near dumb and/or insane enough to go for anything we could offer.

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by article1 on Jun 2, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love reading the Bleacher Report articles or MLHS comments that say Burke is a magician with mind-control over other GMs.

Gets me every time.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE IS THAT TEAMS GMS BEST FRIEND I THINK THEY WILL RISK THEIR JOB TO GIVE BURKE A DEAL

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like it

i actually liked him even before his comeback year this year.

He has a rap (like most Russians sadly) for being mercurial, but you’re right, he’s been a fairly consistent 20-goal man.

I would doube his salary and a bit more. Anything more than $2M though and I’m not interested, as the Leafs have a lot of speedy small guys, and big unskilled ones. I’m hoping for a big and skilled one at some point

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by pevans on Jun 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

To be honest....

I’m kind of surprised people aren’t higher on Caputi. Kid has produced at every level. Hopefully, he’s adding bulk this summer. He’s got hands, a nose for the net, and can play off the puck.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I like him, he’s a great prospect. We haven’t had him long enough to form a great perception of where he fits yet though.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he skates not much better than Brayden choppy choppy Irwin

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s a better skater than Irwin. He’s just not fast.

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I broke my knee I was still a better skater than Irwin.

Burn!

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a better skater than Irwin and I can’t.

Double burn!

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by article1 on Jun 2, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor bastard played what, 1.5 games with the Leafs?

He’s become the posterboy for slow-skaters.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

his skating was so bad it gave me meningitis

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s somewhere below Nik Antropov and above Jason Allison.

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by article1 on Jun 2, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allison was more like an old caddy, sure he was slow but it was a smooth ride
Irwin is like a willys jeep, slow, jerky and looks like its a painful experience

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch him make the club out of camp next year and shut us all up.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he does, i hope boston enjoys their second lottery pick

by birky on Jun 2, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smooth cos it was like he was on methadone.

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by article1 on Jun 2, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

during that shootout attempt i thought i was on methadone

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

How? Were you making out with him at the time?

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

no but it was so dull i jammed a rusty nail into my leg to make sure i was still alive
/has no idea how meningitis is spread

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, pretty sure you’re confusing it with tetanus now. both would suck to catch though.

meningitis is oral, so kissing, sharing a glass or smoke or something direct i think.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

still stands, im not sure he currently has the ability to stick in the NHL, either he gets smarter and more experienced or he gets faster, he needs AHL time something fierce

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caputi doesn’t need AHL time. He put up almost a ppg in the AHL already. He needs to translate it to the NHL.

Kid’s OHL stats were as good or better than Kadri. Let’s give him more than 19 games shall we? The list of NHL stars who posted similar stats to Caputi at age 21 is veeeeery long (so is the list of flame-outs too, but the point is we need to find out which he is).

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kadri vs. Caputi

Caputi only had one OHL season with over 65 points, and only one year where he was better than a point per game. Also, he was NOT a ppg player in the AHL. He only had 18 goals and 45 points in 66 AHL games with Wilkes-Barre Scranton.

Kadri has been better than a ppg player for the past two years in the OHL, and had 65 points in 66 games as a 17 year old (Caputi had 3 goals and 0 assists in 32 games as a 17 year old.. not exactly equivalent production).

Comparing a 7th overall draft pick who has been invited to play for the World Juniors on two occasions to a forward that didn’t play in the World Juniors at all who was drafted 111th overall is ridiculous.

Also, Caputi had 7 goals and 16 points in 31 AHL playoff games last year, and only 10 goals and 20 points in 15 OHL playoff games (0 games in the Memorial Cup tourney). Kadri has produced 27 goals and 74 points in 46 CHL playoff games. He hasn’t been able to perform in an AHL playoff game to date, so that comparison awaits, but yeah… let’s not compare the two of them, Caputi will come up lacking in most of them.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 3, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

but Caputi is BIGGER!

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

and

slower…

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 3, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

The odd thing I find is that we're comparing Caputi to Kadri

after this debate started by comparing Caputi to Stalberg. Stalberg is actually bigger than Caputi (they’re both 6’3", but Stalberg is 210 lbs in comparison to Caputi’s 200 lbs), he skates much better, and he’s actually produced closer to a poing per game pace in the AHL – 12 goals and 34 points in 41 games for a 0.83 ppg rate for Stalberg vs. 18 goals and 45 points in 66 games for a 0.68 ppg rate for Caputi.

Still not sure how Caputi is coming out ahead at this point. He could use more AHL seasoning at this point I’d say.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stalberg's 3 years older

Neither of them belong in the AHL next year.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's actually

2 years and 8 months… but yeah.. he’s older.

The older both of them get, the less meaningful that point becomes though.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 3, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

truth be told, Stalberg skates better than 90 percent of NHL players (in a straight line anyways)
which is kinda redonkulous for a dude his size

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I should add

I was looking at caputi’s numbers from the year before last on hockey-reference… his numbers from this past year were superior… apologies.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 3, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said almost. 47 in 54.

And if you add “draft year”, his OHL “draft year” stats were comparable to Kadri’s. 111 points in 66 games. Look, I’m not saying he’s as good as (let alone better than) Kadri. I’m making the much more limited point that sticking him in the AHL when the Leafs are relatively bereft of offensive talent is a waste of time.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

47 in 54 (0.87 ppg) is good, and I agree both should be in the NHL next year, I just don’t know that Caputi is a top 6 yet any more than Stalberg. I also admit that Caputi is younger, but I’m not sure either one has all of the tools yet to be an effective top 6 forward for most NHL clubs. In a few years they might both be succesful.

Personally I think Stalberg is further along at this point… but that may just be me.

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by Steve Burtch on Jun 3, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let them work it out in camp. My own thought is that Stalberg’s skills translate better to a 3rd line role at this point and Caputi to 2nd line, but who knows. I just think they’re both ready to learn at the NHL level.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

yay! progress!

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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 3, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

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My pick for OT winner is this Billy Leino kid…

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Chalmerson, myself

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by article1 on Jun 2, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leino is having an awesome series so far.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 2, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

who did the wings get for him again?

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

TSN:
Detroit Red Wings traded Ville Leino to the Philadelphia Flyers for Ole-Kristian Tollefsen and a 2011 fifth-round draft pick.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 2, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lulz

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 2, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya except his name isn’t Billy.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somehow didn’t notice that the first time I read it. I’m watching the game at the same time.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 2, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

cause everytime he gets the puck announcer either says or sounds like he says billy

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by Redonred on Jun 2, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya I was mostly laughing at Joffrey Lupul’s tweet, I guess I always just assume all NHL players at least know the names of roster players on other teams.

Guess not.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

This isn’t going to count.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 2, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

That one does!

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by JP Nikota on Jun 2, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh.

I’m cheering for them.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 2, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Head says… Hawks in 5 heart says… Flyers in 7!

by hockeyphreak on Jun 2, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s about where I’m at.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 2, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

here too.

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by 1967ers on Jun 3, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

for sure

Like: Teows Hate: Patrick dirty mullet taxi cab beating Kane, and dusty byflugian

Love: Richards Gagne Pronger Like: Carter leino, and Briere Hate: Carcilly

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by Redonred on Jun 2, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

My list is the same… except one more name goes into the hate… Hossa

by hockeyphreak on Jun 2, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

no hate for Hossa and I hope the Hossa/ Ottawa curse lasts a little longer

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by Redonred on Jun 2, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

i kinda like kane and sharp, but i really like keith and seabrook

by ShahofToronto on Jun 3, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

also I am excited to see how much bigger Caputi gets, and I think Stalberg will hold down a top six at least this year. But will eventually get squeezed out

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by Redonred on Jun 2, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m probably going to get slammed for this, but the more I think about it, the more I start to think Dallas would be an excellent destination for Kaberle. Robidas led all Stars defensemen in scoring with 41 points. Then there was a huge dropoff to Daley, who only had 22 points. Their top 6 defensemen scored a combined 108 points on the year. By comparison, the Leafs scored 143. Their biggest strength right now is on the wing, with Eriksson, Neal, Benn, Morrow, and Glennie. The question is, would they be willing to move a winger for Kaberle? I highly doubt Eriksson or Benn are available, but could Morrow or Neal?

by birky on Jun 3, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

If we got Brendan Morrow, my brain would explode from happiness. But its never going to happen in a million years.

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by Clawson on Jun 3, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, why? Now I'm interested. I've gotta check his numbers.

I’m not very familiar with Dallas’ depth at centre or Morrow’s importance to the team, so I don’t know about the feasibility of this. Judging by his numbers though, I can’t see any reason that we couldn’t pick him up for Kabby. Morrow has only had one really awesome season as far as putting up points.

I guess he’s a good two-way or shut-down guy, as evidenced Stevie Y’s decision to bring him to the Olympics. His On/Off Ice +/- is only 0.06 though, which isn’t a big step up from his normal +/- rating of -3 that he earned this year. His QUAL COMP was 0.039, and his QUAL TEAM was 0.020. Neither of these numbers does much to impress me, either. His Corsi rating of 0.835 is good, not great. His GVT is 6.3, for comparison’s sake, is closest to what Stajan and Hagman gave us before being traded.

Kaberle, on the other hand, had a rough season from a defensive standpoint, but still finished 10th in defenseman scoring. It should be noted that he finished 1 point out of 6th spot. His +/- of – 16 looks bad, but there are few things on our team this year that didn’t. Plus, and this is a recurring theme on PPP, his -16 should regress to some sort of career mean. His QUAL COMP and QUAL TEAM were -0.040 and 0.038 respectively. Also, his GVT is 9.3.

Morrow’s a good player, no doubt. He’s coming of a bit of a weak year as far as point production goes, but then, Kabby’s coming off a weak defensive year. I don’t see this trade as completely unbelievable. FWIW, Burke said he’s looking for a winger.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 3, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops. Messed up his on/off ice +/-.

Morrow’s on-ice +/- is 0.06 higher than the rest of his team, and his off-ice +/- is -0.07.

In other words, his -3 is about average on the team.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 3, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just seems Morrow is an “intangibles” guy for them. They treat him almost like we treat Wendel.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nuts to that.

I don’t even think I want him.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 3, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have James Neal.

by ShahofToronto on Jun 3, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I’d rather have Christina Hendricks, but thats not gonna happen either

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

everyone loves Joan Holloway.

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he’s also their Captain…

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kovalchuk was captian

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

would love to see Neal in a leafs Uni, as long as we can get a decent pick with him as well

by sodonis on Jun 3, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

SLAMMED!

But seriously, Dallas clearly has one of the best fits for a Kaberle deal. No idea on what the package could be like going either way. Each team has their own perceived value of Kaberle depending on their needs.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 3, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I came to the same conclusion about a month ago and floated Richard as the potential return based on rumours that Hicks was slashing payroll to sell the team.

I can’t fathom them trading Eriksson, Benn, Neal or Morrow. Makes no sense for them.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt the Leafs would have any interest in Richards. Burke said himself that he expects a winger with size and scoring ability in return for Kaberle.

Benn will probably supplant Neal as the top LW next year. They’ve got 3 LWs vying for 2 spots in the top 6, and they severely lack scoring from the back end.

by birky on Jun 3, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the bigger obstacle is Richards is too good.

Dallas would be nuts to trade Neal for Kabs. He’s younger, cheaper, controlled, and if he’s not already, will soon be better.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dalls has zero organizational depth behind Richards and Ribeiro. If they wanted any chance to make the postseason, they’d have to keep Richards. If they’re going to make a deal, it will be from a position of strength. The stars deepest position is LW.
Kaberle wouldn’t be enough straight up for Neal. Dallas is pretty thin in goal behind Lehtonen as well. I’d hate giving up Reimer, but I’d have to think he might go as well. Maybe another player as well, I dunno.

by birky on Jun 3, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it would have to be a nice package for Neal—not just Kabs.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Vancouver is a much better trading partner.

The West is undergoing a bit of a power shift right now. Detroit is desperately trying to hang on as an elite team in the West, Chicago and San Jose’s cap troubles mean they could look completely different next year, Nashville’s internal budget prevents the from really breaking through, and LA, St. Louis and Phoenix’s youth isn’t ready to compete at an elite level yet. Everyone else is either rebuilding or in transition.

Vancouver could have a real shot next year at breaking through if they make the necessary upgrades, and avoid Chicago in the playoffs. One area where Vancouver got eaten up was on defence; they just don’t have the puck-movers that Chicago did. Kaberle fills that need and should be succesful quarterbacking Vancouver’s PP, with the Sedins’ down-low cycle preventing teams from keying on him.

RIghts to Raymond, rights to O’Brien and Vancouver’s 1st for Kaberle and the rights to Oreskovic.

Vancouver gets the puck-mover it needs on the point, rids themself of SOB (who they seem to despise), and replaces him with a younger similar player.

Toronto gets a first round pick in the 20s, a sandpaper D, and a solid checking forward that can etiher play on the 2nd or 3rd line.

Who would say no first?

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by clrkaitken on Jun 3, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s intriguing. I’d rather not get SOB though. Why take a player they despise? Finger’s not going anywhere (at least until the last year of his contract) so I’d rather let Oreskovic/Aulie/Holzer/Mikus fill the #7 spot as needed than take on another contract.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Vancouver would rather spend their money on someone like Volchenkov than Kaberle

by birky on Jun 3, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven’t watched them enough to say whether they need Volchenkov or Kaberle more. Might also depend on their time horizon.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. If like I tried to explain, Vancouver takes the view that their window is very short before they have to reinvent themselves a little (which I think is exactly what is going to happen), then Kaberle is the better play because he gives them a one-year shot at a Cup run and then they can re-evaluate. Tying up Luongo, the Sedins, Kesler and Volchenkov to long-term deals and then coming up short could cripple that franchise.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 3, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Anton could be a cap crippler for them in the long-run.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

the nucks won’t get Volch, they’ll probably end up with someone like Sutton, the cheap alternative.
Volch will be a cap if he leaves ottawa

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nucks Misconduct seems to think Kaberle isn’t quite redundant, but he doesn’t address their needs enough for the price tag attached.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 3, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

From what I’ve read over there, they want a D with some real sandpaper. They felt that in their own end, they were too easy on Chicago.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 3, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yet they seem to hate Shane O’Brien, and that’s all he does.

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by clrkaitken on Jun 3, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

the grass, she is greener

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 3, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hamhuis would be an option...

for the Canucks as well and he’s an UFA on July 1, 2010. While not a premier offensive D-man like Kaberle has demonstrated in the past, he’s only 27, he’s a capable puck mover and he’s available for free in July. He’s a BC guy so you have to wonder if there is a natural fit between him and the Canucks.

by Shack23 on Jun 3, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnkkkkkkkksssssss.

by Alex Grantham on Jun 3, 2010 2:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn’t read through all the comments, but it seems the majority response to paying Afinogenov $3M per is a positive one. Yet, change the name to Kulemin and that attitude becomes indignant and/or incredulous. go figure…

My 2¢ – no longer than 2 years for Afinogenov, and hopefully 3 years for Kulemin if both are getting $3M per. That said, I think I’d rather look elsewhere than Afinogenov for a top 6 forward, preferably via a trade involving Kaberle.

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by blurr1974 on Jun 3, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

did i watch the same gmaes as last year? Kulemin is worth every penny we spend on him . hes young, plays his ass off and is a great checking forward with scoring ability. he was almost night in night out the most effective leaf on the ice.

by sodonis on Jun 3, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Who is this comment directed at?

I definitely think the Leafs should be signing Kulemin for $3 mill per… I’ve said it repeatedly.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jun 3, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you (if necessary—I’m hoping to beat him down somewhat), but many don’t including one of our overlords IIRC.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t know if i fit in the overlords category – overlord lite maybe – but I think the Leafs should squeeze Kulemin.

The kid is arguably my favourite Leaf, but throwing $3M deals at unproven, 36pt players who have extremely limited bargaining rights is a piss poor way of managing limited cap dollars.

Re. Afinogenov: it’s been said elsewhere, if dollars and term make sense I have no objections, but dollars and term rarely do in the UFA market.

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by mf37 on Jun 3, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we're equivalent

as contributing non-overlords.

I think the Leafs will qualify him to protect the asset if another team comes calling, but I think the idea of running the risk of losing him to the KHL is an unpalatable one for me.

I’m not sure how inclined he is to walk across the pond, but it’ll be interesting to see what happens. Considering the way Hudler and Omark came back when Dynamo folded up, and the fact that Lada Togliatti went bye bye also, I’m not sure how many Russian NHLers want to go back across the pond… the league isn’t particularly stable.

That being said, I’d be shocked if Metallurg Magnitogorsk didn’t offer him a bunch of cash to go back – Fedorov still plays there, so it would be interesting to see what he chooses to do. He has said before that his main desire is to make his mark in the NHL, so I think he’ll stay, I just hope it doesn’t get particularly acrimonious.

I think if they structure a deal so he gets $2.5 mill next year, $2.8 mill the year after that, and $3.5 mill in year three, that would work for me… and the cap hit would be $2,933,333 a year… which isn’t ridiculous.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jun 3, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Chemmy’s in your camp too.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 4, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

that afi-kulemin line was so sweet :P if only certain other line had performed the same spirit…

i’d prefer him to stay in atlanta but as long as you make sure i’ll have him to the worlds next year…. ;)

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by sleza on Jun 3, 2010 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Not completely sold on Afinogenov. If we can sign him for a great deal then sure, but let’s not get in a bidding war for him.

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by stucky on Jun 3, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

seconded.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This describes my view of every single UFA.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 3, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

have the leafs ever gone a july 1st without overpaying for someone?

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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 3, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey SkinnyFish, time for another research project.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 3, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this answer is the same as “When was the last summer glen sather didn’t sign someone to 6M$+ a year long term?”

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

i was going to say last summer, but then I stopped.

by birky on Jun 3, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Leafs’ UFA record post-lockout is particularly dismal. Khavanov, Kubina, Gill, Komi, Beauch, Finger, Blake, O’Neill, Lindros, Allison… Hagman was probably our most cost-effective signing and we all treated him as a spare part when he was dealt.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 4, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hagman was the only part of that deal I miss

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 4, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still hoping that Komi and Beauch turn out to be good, or at least decent, signings, and they still have that chance to prove capable of that.

Otherwise, yeah… with exception of Hagman, and arguably of Kubina, so many UFA signings turning out so bad, it makes me want the Leafs to not sign any more UFA’s… except of course if it’s a player I really, really like that I’ll irrationally want as a Leaf at all costs.

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by stucky on Jun 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

just stop signing old and broken and we shouldn’t be too bad

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually think Kubina got a bad rap—his last two years were pretty good. But the fact remains he was salary-dumped. He was infinitely better than XLB but Burke wanted to unload his salary so he could free up cap room to overpay TWO UFA D-men. Thanks BB.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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