Nathan Horton Traded to the Boston Bruins
Nathan Horton and Gregory Campbell for the 15th overall pick Dennis Wideman, and a 3rd round pick in 2011.
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by Wrap Around Curl on Jun 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
and coffee!
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on who they gave up for him. I will laugh if it’s Lucic.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
Bob McKenzie says
Horton and Gregory Campbell for Dennis Wideman, 15th overall pick and another draft pick. Done.
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Boston has a lot of centers.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
thats a pretty good deal for Florida
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
On first blush seems like a pretty good deal for Boston.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i just threw up in my mouth
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If it’s Horton and another panther for a Bruin, it would have to be somebody with a decent cap hit (say $3.5 at the least). So who does that leave as a possibility?
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Well, I guess you can scratch that idea
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If the price is right
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it won’t be unless the ducks GM suffers some sort of brain damage soon
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We can make that happen… shifty eyes
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jun 22, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he did trade for ToskaLOL and Blake
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that was a good move for both teams, he cleared short term cap space for Hiller and Ryan and them managed to flip toskala before he could inflict damage to the team
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Stanley. Always Stanley.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The cup! hahaha my bad for trying to be clever.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That's just depressing
I wasn’t clamoring for him quite like some other comments I have heard but it makes sense in the end. We didn’t have the prospects or picks at the moment to make that happen (just like any potential Bobby Ryan trade), so i’m not too broken up. Come on Kabs, get us something good!
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jun 22, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
We didn’t have the prospects or picks
Jeff Finger had a better +/- and much higher shot blocks per 60 than Dennis Wideman. Hell, if Kaberle really is on the block, why not flip him for Horton…?
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps it was the inclusion of the first rounder? They are trying to get a culture change in there, and Talon is a good drafter by looking at what he did in Chicago, so I could see him wanting to stock up for a proper re-build in the draft.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jun 22, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Florida is in a youth movement/re build thing and wideman is only 27, not to mention the two picks
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
but Kaberle’s older
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
no, just that if wideman could have gotten horton, then why not kaberle
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but he was all attitude problem like for the Panthers
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wideman is only 27?
I thought he was much older.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Horton- Savard – Lucic
that’s not a bad line at all
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions
I thought Horton was a C.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are two damn big and strong wingers for Savard to possibly play with.
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good thing Horton is a fear’d of body contact
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
true
Bozak had more hits than Horton this year
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, thats rather surprising
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta give Chiarelli credit
So Phil Kessel, who had 55 points last year for $5.4MM, costs 2 high #1s and a #2, but Nathan Horton, who had 57 points last year for $4MM, costs a mid #1 plus an overpaid defenceman?
Oh well, I’m glad Ottawa doesn’t have Chiarelli.
Silver lining is the Bs REALLY need Kaberle now; Chara’s the only guy on their blue line with real offensive talent.
On the other hand, Bergeron Lucic Savard Horton Krejci Ryder Seguin Sturm. Goals unlikely to be a problem again for the Bs. And all for less than $5MM apiece.
If I were them I wouldn’t even qualify Wheeler.
I don’t get this from Florida’s perspective. Why trade for a D-man who is not as good, older, and makes almost as much? A #15 is rarely going to be as good as Horton. If they’re going young why not hold out for a prospect (Colborne) or better picks?
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
this seems familiar….
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
as said in the previous thread
BOS was last in the league in goals for.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I realized I missed the boat and so double-posted.
Boston was last in the league last year but I’ll bet they won’t be this year. That’s a sick lineup.
And IIRC they were very PDO unlucky this year (just as they were lucky the year before).
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We traded our offense for a bright and shiny Dion Phaneuf.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, maybe not bright.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Stajan and Hagman were our offense?
That’s sad.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said we weren’t sad.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Poni!
And Blake had 63 points 2 yrs ago.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
but we didn’t trade them for Phaneuf.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just explaining how we went from 10th to 24th.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
But I prefer getting Giggy with it to Hamster and Voldomort Toskala
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we wound up the year with Kessel-Bozak-Kule-Grabbo-AHL.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Horton asked to be traded, apparently.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Kessel deal is about upside. If Kessel tops out at 55pts it’s going to be a long time before the Leafs are in the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Horton’s in his physical peak.
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Bruins gave up a NHL defenseman, 1st round pick, and a 3rd round pick.
I don’t see a huge difference.
I contest that Wideman is a defensemen, he’s clearly a pylon.
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Wideman isn’t the same as a first.
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no, but Horton isn’t the same talent of player as Kessel. Slightly less value for a slightly less talented player
…
which is why I’m replying to:
Gotta give Chiarelli credit
So Phil Kessel, who had 55 points last year for $5.4MM, costs 2 high #1s and a #2, but Nathan Horton, who had 57 points last year for $4MM, costs a mid #1 plus an overpaid defenceman?
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Yeah, I appreciate the difference. Just think Chiarelli fleeced Tallon.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOO
Oh well, ANDREW LADD TIME
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions
Ko-val-chuck
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
not if stupid vancouver get him :( i feel like the leafs just got turned down by a moderetly good looking girl at a dance
Really?
I don’t.
Plenty of fish in the sea.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
nathan horton WISHES he was average looking
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
i meant skills wise, but im actually kind of glad i dont have to look at that face for 82 games now
he also has a tribal tattoo, ew
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
grabbo has a cool tat
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
need photographic evidence.
something tells me the Dion has a tribal tattoo somewhere. it just has to be.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 22, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha
@CopperandBlue Florida #Panthers now have picks 3, 15, 33, 36, 50 #NHL #nhldraft
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
+ a "undisclosed" draft pick.
Could be the Leafs 2nd rounder.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Should have been more specific
could also be #32.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Talon is going full on youth movement! This team could be something to watch in a few years if half of those guys pan out. Then again, it’s going to be some lean years until then…
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jun 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If Tallon rebuilt Chicago into a Cup contender, maybe he could do the same with Florida. If that team drafts well, they could make noise down the road.
Which kinda riles me up as a Caps fan.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 22, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean the Panthers are going to win just after they boot Tallon out the door? That is after all this year’s blueprint for winning.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Bahahaha. Then Milbury becomes GM again.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 22, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i miss making noise
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The nation of South Africa said that once. Then the vuvuzela was invented.
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I bought two yesterday on Amazon. My neighbors will hate me forever.
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by Steck It Out on Jun 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re already in North America? ahhhhhhhh
I mean bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, if the World Cup comes to the U.S. in 8 years, you will be hearing that fo sho in DC
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by Steck It Out on Jun 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how many more pending UFAs will get their rights traded (i.e. Marleau, Kovy, Volchenkov)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll bet on Gonchar.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya I’d imagine so. Gonch could replace Nieds out west.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s not just a pipe dream, thats a crack pipe dream
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
not really
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wait
yes, hopefully
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Only thing that will stomp that is if he signs with Anaheim to a massive multi-year contract with a NTC.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i just meant that if gonchar goes to anaheim they wont want anything to do with kaberle, which is basically our only good tradable part (unless we start getting crazy and throwing names like kadri around)
Heh
Ya I know what you meant.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston only has 4 D-men signed right now. My feeling is this opens up the door for the Kaberle – Carter – Thomas 3-way (trade that is).
Boston’s gonna need someone to feed those guys the puck.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions
dont see why PHI would even consider getting rid of Jeff Carter…
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
cap space.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Because armchair GMs say that he’s the expendible one, duh.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
numbers game… they have too many centers, he looked really uncomfortable with the wing this year, Briere is untradable, Richards is the captain… Carter’s highly tradeable.
But if Horton got a defenseman and a first round pick, Carter will get way more than Thomas and a 2nd.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh God we’re seriously debating a made up rumour aren’t we.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
We made up the rumour.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta nuke something
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
lol.
yes.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They made it to the SCF with an invisible Carter; Carter prefers playing center, but between Richards, Briere (who performs best as a center), and Giroux they have 3 scoring line centers, and they no doubt want a goalie upgrade but can’t afford it given pending contracts to Coburn and Hamhuis (likely).
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter was playing on two broken feet, to be fair
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
but missing the point
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
points are for suckers
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Only way that three-way trade is realistic, is if Tim Thomas is about 4 years younger.
by CancerousRocket on Jun 22, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
after seeing what Horton got, Philly’ll want a 1st for Carter.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Carter had a broken foot, doesnt he get a bit of a mulligan?
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They still had a deep enough lineup to make it without him.
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
THAT’S THE POINT!
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two broken feet!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
uh…. points are for suckers?
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
atta kid
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
and even still, I think that PHI needs him regardless of the fact they made it to the final without much contribution from him. Long term, he will come in handy for reg seasons and playoffs to come
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh…he’s RFA. They can just QO him, and if he doesn’t sign then someone may RFA sheet him and they can restock with the draft pick(s) (though I imagine Philly would match at the 2nd rounder level).
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
i know it’s farfetched, but it’s also somewhat logical.
We need a C.
Philly needs a #1 goalie.
Boston, as we know, covets Kaberle.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jun 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
and Carter is worth more than Thomas or Kaberle by a fair margin
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I have my OWN dreams Blurr!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh are we still trying to start that rumour? I thought there was a 2nd round pick involved somewhere.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah there’s a 2nd going to Philly
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the genius! It also includes a 2nd round pick!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would Calgary want to trade Phaneuf for Stajan and White? I don’t know.
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Sutter
be crazy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope white wants too much and they trade him for joikenin again
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope
they screw up the paperwork and he goes UFA and we sign him his moustache on the cheap.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause they’ve got one more year to make a run at the Cup before running into cap issues with Giroux and Gagne, and this post-season they proved that they don’t need Carter (7 points) to make it deep but they do need a good goalie in order to win. Their goalies gave them sub .900 goaltending this post-season; make that .910 and they’re the cup winners.
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EXACTLY!!! All Philly needed was average goal tending to hoist the cup.
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are you forgetting philly backed into the playoffs. They still need a healthy Carter’s goal scoring for the other 82 games i think.
not with better regular season goaltending
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
They “backed in” because they’re goaltending was fucking atrocious in the regular season – .907 sv% combined. League average of .915.
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if that’s f’n atrocious, what was Toskala?
Are there even any words left to describe him?
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
point taken
i just dont see philly giving up Carter without getting something MUCH better than thomas back (very high picks, younger prospect type)
Yeah, with all the UFA goalies they can probably pick one up for $2MM (Ellis?) who is unlikely to be much worse than Thomas. And they can keep Carter.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim “1 year removed from the Vezina and still a damned good and very available goalie” Thomas
Yeah, much better.
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thomas
is not a bad goalie. I don’t know where that came from. He lost his job because Rask was slightly better and a LOT cheaper. That’s all. Tim Thomas is a very good NHL goalie.
But that’s not the reason this rumour is ridiculous. Philly’s been rumoured to be moving Carter for three years now, and every time, its for cap reasons, as a salary dump. Trading a $5M forward for a $5M goalie with a longer term helps them out of a cap crunch how, exactly?
this rumour is ridiculous.
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The problem with that trade (besides Thomas’ NTC) is that it still doesn’t really help out Philly’s cap crunch.
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agreed
Tim Thomas is crazy agressive, but kaberle has soft hands…
by sodonis on Jun 22, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would say too far
But the Kaberle line is plain funny
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even supple, if you ask pierre mcguire.
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Eddie Olczyk to Washington
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Pierre McGuire to…TSN studio (wait, he’s already there)
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
3rd round pick in 2011 is the undisclosed pick
The club sent forwards Nathan Horton and Gregory Campbell to the Boston Bruins for defenceman Dennis Wideman, the 15th overall pick in this year’s NHL Entry Draft and a third round pick in 2011.
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What i don’t understand is why Florida needs more defensemen….
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that’s my feeling too
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
wideman says Derp!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont understand because boston NEEDS defensemen
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about? Clearly Chara can play 60 minutes a night.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
KABERLE!!!!!!!111!!!!11!!!!!!!!1
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Traded away Seidenberg, traded away Leopold, got rid of Koistinen…
They have McCabe, Allen, Home Run Swing, and kids.That’s it.
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I’m pretty sure Ballard is still on the table to be traded too
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the Nashville model
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
whats funny
is how quickly 120 comments occur on a Leafs blog on a topic involving FLorida and Boston. God i love this place
To be fair
this actually did affect a lot of the rumours.
Now, the Halak to St. Louis thread… that really didn’t involve us at all. It was just fun to laugh at the Habs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
How many comments on Florida’s and Boston’s sites? Not as many!
by WendelMadeMe on Jun 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
wow….wideman was almost a PPG in the playoffs….the hell?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
I don't get it.
I like Horton, he’s a solid player. Cap # isn’t too tough to swallow. Is he the right fit for Boston though. I don’t see how they filled a need. Horton’s more of an all-around player. I don’t see him scoring 35 goals for them.
Could get the change-of-scenery/it-sucked-in-florida/savard-feeding-him effect.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
savard-feeding-him effect.
Could you please illustrate this effect? Savard’s a great passer, sure, but I can’t think of a player with inflated goal totals because of playing with Savard. Certainly nothing like Thornton-Cheechoo, at least.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know if his goals will be INFLATED, but he might actually be able to get more than in Florida.
I think Savard needs better wingers, so he might do better than last year as well.
Savvy seems to do best with stars (Kovy, Hossa, Kessel), I don’t know if Horton belongs on that list or not. But he might.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if Horton belongs on that list or not. But he might.
To be clear I did not mean Horton is as good as any of those players, just that he may benefit from having a decent centre.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why i replied!!! wasn’t clear.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s all about balance.
They already had a $4M power forward who can’t score.
Now they can complement him with a $4M power forward who won’t play the body.
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I hear they’re talking to Nazi scientists about sewing the two together to make some sort of uber power forward.
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They should just combine the two into a franken-forward that is good at both.
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We now have two players! we shall call this one Milan Horton and the left over bits aki berg
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
where the hell is hardenburgh, anyway?
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Looks like the CBA has been extended by a year. Bonuses for everyone!
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Wooo – .gif party thread?
Too much?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
rumored to be going up by almost $3M
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it ought to go up 2.84 if my math is correct.
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that sounds like
“almost $3M”
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but i don’t like non-specific \values.
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fuckin’ genius. i had that live recording on vinyl and wore the thing out.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 22, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Mirtle (?) recently, this is bad for the Leafs.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad because cap strapped teams get relief.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
kaberle’s NTC expires on teh 1st, correct?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
isnt it draft day?
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Where in the hell you been?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
creepy as shit
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Various sources give different dates for Kaberle’s trade window.
The two most common are July 1 to mid-August
Draft day to August 1.
Either way, it’s soon and runs about 6 weeks.
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since Burkie “almost” traded him at the draft last year, I;m pretty sure its the 25th of june or whatever date the draft is on that I am too lazy to look up
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Eeerie Silence
Does anyone else have the sense that things are just a little too quiet?
by Raja Pakkomielle on Jun 22, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
This just in
NASH TRADED TO LEAFS! DETAILS TO COME!
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I also assume this is followed by “Brian Rolston traded for something more than a bag of pucks”
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 22, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I still can’t figure out why Lou gave out that contract.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He needed a PP Quarterback, and a goal scoring forward. I’m sure that there were other teams that were willing to offer $5 mil a year, but i think the Devils offering the NTC sealed the deal. Then he proceeded to suck because 1) he was playing center instead of on the wing, 2) Brent Sutter never used him as a top 6 forward, despite Dainus Zubrus being HORRIBLE despite playing with Elias and 3) you really can’t expect 30 goals out of a guy playing with Offensive powerhouses like Bobby Holik and Jay Pandolfo
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Where the hell you been?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
columbus?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i was gonna post the exact same thing earlier
but it didnt seem relevant. either way i agree. shit be quiet
MORE NEWS
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Tomas Plekanec has agreed to terms with MTL on a multi-year deal worth an estimated $5 million per year.
HA
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Man SBN is slow as shit for me today. My comment was up for literally two minutes on my screen when this showed up timestamped earlier.
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Meh
about what was expected, no? I was hoping it was higher.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Per McKenzie MTL just re-signed Plekanec to a multi year deal with a cap hit around $5M.
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HA
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They now have $26.5M tied up in Gomez, Cammalleri, Plekanec, Gionta, and Big Tits. Those five alone would make Montreal the 12th highest paid forward corps in the league compared to last year.
el oh el
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Who’s big tits?
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Andre Kostitsyn.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomez 59 pts
Camm 50pts in 65gp
Plekanec 70pts
Gionta 46pts
Kostitsyn 33pt in 55gp
Kessel 55pts
Hope we’re laughing about this contract next year, but I’d have given Plekanec $5M no question.
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I think it was pretty much where speculation thought it was going to be.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have too.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not laughing at his contract, which I think is good, just laughing and Montreal’s spending.
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this is where I was coming from
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
HOF Class 2010: Dino Ciccarelli, Cammi Granato and Angela James; Jimmy Devellano and the late Daryl "Doc" Seaman
Gilmour ain’t going to the HoF this year.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 22, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
You’re gotta be kidding.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Ciccarelli is the only NHLer in that group. No Burns, No Gilmour, no Andreychuk, No Oates, no Niewendyk. WTF
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
what a crock
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that it’s the Hockey Hall of Fame.
And that the people they are inducting deserve to be there for their contributions to the sport, but can’t they just make the year bigger then. It’s sad that great players have to lose their spots. Also, does one ever become ineligible?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a limit, i’m just not sure about it though
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
from me, on twitter
Gilmour, Oates, Andreychuk, Housley, Turgeon all with more career points that Dino C. Never won the Cup. Never won an individual award.
Cuss!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
oh fuck off
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Weaksauce.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Weaksauce indeed.
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Do the women get their own category? Or do some people really believe that Cammi Granato should get in over people like Gilmour and Nieuwy?
They do not get their won category, though they should.
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That’s what I think too. Just expand the godforesaken number you induct.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
it's the HOCKEY Hall of fame
not the NHL Hall of fame…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but they didn’t induct Pat Burns either, I’m shaking with Leafs homerism rage right now.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure…but there’s still now way Granato and that other girl should get in over people like Gilmour and Nieuwy.
If Cammi Granato wasn’t first ballot HOF, then she should have been.
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For doing what exactly….playing against teams that can’t even field a full squad of inferior players? A sport they’re considering dumping from the Olympics because outside of Canada and the US, no one really wants to fund the sport and so there are no other good teams.
I mean hell, if my kid dominates PeeWee, should we induct him into the HHoF because he’s much better than the other Pee Wee players and he may help the community care about PeeWee hockey at a better clip than once every 4 year or so?
If you want to argue that they grew hockey, put them in as a builder. But they weren’t put in as builders…they were put in as players, and they’re not up to snuff. Playing against pee wee players shouldn’t get you into the HHOF.
I wouldn’t call them pee-wees but you make a good point that women’s hockey is just the US and Canada.
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A decent beer league team would handle the US or Canada Olympic women’s teams. They train with HS teams.
That to me just means it’s a separate category. With a limit of 4, women should not be taking places from the Gilmours of the world.
That said, James and Granato aren’t why Dougie didn’t get in; there was an unused spot.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, WTF is up with that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe none of the remaining players could garner enough support to reach the minimum number of votes?
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Who the hell was on the voting committee Kerry Fraser and his mother?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Inducting her as a builder would make more sense, but i still agree with inducting her as a player.
Though, since pool of choices has gotten larger in the last 20 or however many years, it’d also make sense to INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS INDUCTED.
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I AGREE!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that the roles Granato and James played in expanding women’s hockey internationally has a far greater impact on the overall sport than what Gilmour did during his tenure in the NHL.
but, i’m in the minority, so I’ll shut up.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, you’re right, but they don’t need to take his spot, just induct more than 3 players.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I get your point. All I’m saying is that if they are going to start consistently inducting women into the Hall at the expense of Legendary NHL’ers let’s expand the number of people inducted each year.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
They probably contributed more to the sport of hockey, and were probably better than their peers.
Men’s and women’s hockey are two very different sports, and the best from each deserve recognition. But the HHoF could use a slight adjustment for it’s voting.
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Cool. Doug Gilmour is way more famous than Cammi Granato if we want to induct people literally based on the title.
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whatever
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see Dino over Gilmour and Oates because of his 608 goals; but over Andreychuk and his 640 goals, 1639 games played, and his Cup to Dino’s no cup?
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andreychuk played a LONG time. he has lots of 20-30 goal seasons. Dino actually had some 100 point seasons. still, I don’t either one should get in over oates, gilmour, turgeon, or housley
Dino – 6, 80+ point seasons. 9, 70+ point seasons.
Andy – 5, 80+ point seasons. 7, 70+ point seasons.
They started play within a season of one another, but Andreychuk played for another 7 years!
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Plus Dino Cicarelli got suspended for using cocaine.
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He was also charged with assaulting a Leaf in a stick-swinging incident at MLG.
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I thought he was considered a monumental prick that everyone loathed. Can’t believe he got in over Gilmour, Nieuwendyk, Housley.
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That’s certainly my impression of Cicarelli.
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Plus what the hell kind of stupid name is Dino?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s Flintstonian.
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rarararararrarararararararap!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s horseshit.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
but enough about alfredsson….
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
On the bright side
A guy named “Seaman” was inducted. So we can all have a chuckle at that grade 9 joke.
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Brian Burke leans back in his chair and drums his fingers forcefully against the table. A strange sound breaks wind droning the eternally recycled air which improbably enough, brings to mind Harold and Yolanda’s love nest. Eyes rise from the Bruins logo right there on the fax sheet and meet within a Kaberlesque cacophony of "should he stay or should he go". "I didn’t do it" exclaims Poulin. Cliff looks the other way, somewhat vaguely. Burke leans forward and meets Nonis’ eyes square on like a panther trapping a portly bunny rabbit and sneers, in a more or less petulant but still infallibly masculine way: "Damn it Dave. I said TRUCULENCE!".
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Plekanec...
5 million for 5 years….. hahahahahahahahahahahaahaha
also Niedermayer is probably going to announce his retirement. Good for TK’s trade value. This looks like it’s turning out to be a good day
wow….
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Plekanec’s contract funny?
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in itself, it isnt, in Montreal’s cap situation it has comedic possibility
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
oh no they’ll throw Kostitsyn in the trash and add some cheap bodies from the AHL
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comes down to what Price signs for really
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
They say he’s the “cheaper” option… but if i’m price… I’d be holding out right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
“You want ME to play here after the town has booed the shit out of me at the drop of a hat for 2 years? and then you trade the only competition out of town without so much as a salary feel out?
I want 4 mil"
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if a team would offer sheet him. Is he eligable?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
he is an RFA
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he’s an RFA, but some RFAs (younger ones) aren’t eligible if they haven’t played enough or something.
E. Johnson is an example I believe.
Of course, Price has played a ton so that wouldn’t be the thing that holds him back.
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I thought the only thing that RFA’s might not be elegible for is arbitration (which I know Halak is and Price isn’t).
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Johnson is not eligible to receive an offer sheet since he missed a year of service with a knee injury.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Would be hilarious if it happened…but it won’t, because nobody will Offer-sheet him for that much because of the pick it’ll cost, and if it’s cheaper than MTL can just match.
Still…..
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I hope Sather loses his mind and offers 4 and the Habs have no choice but to match
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Crazy Tambellini could try for the 100th time to offer sheet.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I would laugh if they had a big contract dispute, and he went to play in the KHL.
by CancerousRocket on Jun 22, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I would worry about $30MM over 6 years for a guy who is only good every other year.
It’s probably market value, but the Habs are now locked in for the foreseeable future. They can’t add any impact players. They have to hope the improvement of Ellers and Subban will outweight the age-induced deterioration of Gomez, Gionta, Markov, Spacek, Hamrlik, Gill, etc.
And we all know they were a mediocre team this year, post-season run notwithstanding.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He looks like he had one really lucky year before one bad year and otherwise is developing normally as a player.
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Can spin it different ways but he’s not a sure thing.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is.
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by Chemmy on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, but for $5MM I want a sure fire first line player. I’m not sure Plekanec is. Wouldn’t he have faced inferior competition behind the Smurfs?
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Only Gionta and Gomez had higher QCOMP.
QCOMP/QTEAM
Gionta 0.092 / 0.437
Gomez 0.075 / 0.351
Plek 0.069 / 0.166
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So not bad competition but he was #2C.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomez and Plekanec have almost identical QCOMP but Plekanec scored more with clearly worse players.
He’s only the #2C because Montreal is stupid.
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This is a good point. We’ll have to see.
Still think the Habs are now locked into mediocrity. But that’s probably not Pleks’ fault.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Pleks seems worth it to me, if im a habs fan my only worry would be the fact that he dissapeared after the first round in the playoffs. Not sure if he was hurt or not. Regardless, if he can stay in the 70+pts range Id say its worth it for them.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole team disappeared against Philly. They had to check the boxscores after the game just to see if they played.
even against pitt, I didnt see much from pleks
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, somebody passed the puck to Cammalari, i have to assume it was Plekanec…
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mostly gomez or subban
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
But he wears that stupid turtleneck.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s only funny if he was a contract year stud only. And then they’re stuck with a Gomez 2.0.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Can never tell. Contract years are tough to judge.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
but what does your gut say
I’m not sure what my “gut” says has any foundation in reality.
Time will tell. He had a great season last year, he could either step up or crash and burn. I’m hoping for the latter, but i wouldn’t be shocked by the former.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
after they sign Price lets say for another 5. They have to sign another 4 forwards, 1 d-man (maybe 2), and a back up with only 4 million.
price wont get 5
if he gets 3.5 I’ll be surprised
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's funny...
…because they should have spent that money on Halak instead.
Oh well, not our problem :)
Truculence...starting 10/1/09
Pat Burns
As mad as I am about Dougie I’ll get over it, he’ll get in and be able to cherish it.
If they have to induct Burns post-posthumously, it’s going to look really really bad.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Especially when you look at the induction of Jim Devellano
Sure he was the GM who drafted Yzerman, Lidstrom, and all the Russians who set up the Red Wings return to glory, but really when you get lucky and draft those guys in the later rounds…..
What’s funny is that on down the line Ken Holland will be inducted for all he’s done and Devellano is essentially getting inducted because of Holland’s success. I do not like his induction over Burns, not one bit.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Agree
I already said, I’m mad about Gilmour, I’m disgusted about Burns.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Devellano also helped build the Stanley Cup Winners on Long Island. He’s got 30+ years of success as an NHL exec.
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But he’s inducted in the Player category.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s what TSN texted me.
DAMN YOU TSN
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In the Builder Category, long-time Detroit Red Wings executive, Jim Devellano and posthumously a founding owner of the Calgary Flames, Daryl "Doc" Seaman were honoured.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
dammit
I read that as Cicarelli?
I’m insane, clearly.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The guys who send out those texts
Are usually interns or 20 year old kids straight out of college.
Not the most dutifull fact checkers in the world.
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but I was at lunch, this is how I get my news :(
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
also magic
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
For Sportsnet
The guy who runs ticker sends them out.
and, again, it’s the part of the job that they often forget to do, and nobody really notices or checks if it’s being done right or wrong .
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This turned into a HHO discussion
Quick question, didn’t see it brought up:
Dougie or Nieuwy? Who deserves to be there more?
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Equal oppurtunity asshole
I can’t answer that rationally. Statistically, they are very, very close. I know where my vote would go.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I would go with Nieuwy because of more goals and the 3 cups versus Gilmour’s 1.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
and a conn Smythe.
My vote would go there as well.
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Whoops, yeah that too and the Calder, and the King Clancy, and the Olympic Gold; versus Gilmour’s Selke win and Hart nomination.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
The thing about the Olympic Gold is that it is so subjective. You bet if the could send NHL’ers to Lillihammer that Gilmour would have been on the team. Not saying they would have won but not all players had the same benefit with regards to the Olympics.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but international competition still figures into things; see Granato and James.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Definitely, and Gilmour has a Canada Cup, not as good as Olympic Gold, but still.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
When it comes to women’s hockey, nobody looks at non-international stats
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by A Lindros Jaw on Jun 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
But they both deserve and need to be there.
I’m chocking on my own rage here!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the more I think about the Burns thing the more pissed off I get
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You and me both, he’s going through so much and doesn’t have much time left, and they don’t induct him, COME ON!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you mad he didn’t get in because he is deserving based on stats or because of his health?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
He deserves to be there based on his stats. The fact that he is dying and they didn’t move to induct him makes it worse.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
hold a “Pat burns for HOF” rally. I bet more than 15 people would show up.
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Would if I was anywhere but Parry Sound.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
its pretty cool that the 3 cups were with 3 different teams as well
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Gilmour’s 17th all time in points 12th all time in assists. and has a higher career PPG than Nieuwendyk
The only people higher than Dougie on either of those lists not in the Hall of Fame are either active, not eligible for the Hall yet, or Adam Oates.
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This seems eerily familiar…..
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Nieuwendyk ever the best player on his team? Arguably no. He led his team in scoring twice. Once by 4 points over Dougie, once because Modano missed 30 games in Dallas.
Dougie led his team 3 times, was the unquestioned leader of the Leafs, and in 92-93 was one of the best 3 players in the league. Not sure you could say any of that about Joe. Joe had 3 cups but played on better teams. Everything else points to Dougie.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always liked you.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
you don’t get into the hall of fame because you were the best player on your team.
awards and stats play a huge part.
don’t get me wrong dougie and oates should both be in, but Joe gets in before they do, no question.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
He should be in before Purple Prehistoric Dog Coke-head too, but here we are.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
25. And not choking on and blinded by my own rage here.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
this is the best nickname ever
Purple Prehistoric Dog Coke-head
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
A woman I worked with kept insisting we add “The Concussion Machine” to a conference we were holding. I insisted that was actually a great nickname but a poor presentation piece.
by JoshuaDPreston on Jun 22, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s evitable that both Dougie and Joe go into the Hall. Who gives a crap if it’s this year, next year or 20 years from now.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 22, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d like to have Dougie get in before Sundin is eligible. Having Sundin get in before Dougie would just feel weird.
If Sundin gets in before him, something is terribly wrong.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
It all depends on who becomes eligible between now and then.
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No it doesn’t. If Sundin gets in before Gilmour is wrong
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he’ll get in for international achievements
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. Sundin is a 1st ballot lock, and Gilmour hasn’t been selected for a few years now…
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I don’t think he’s a lock first ballot….I can’t remember who the draft class is for his year, but it’s a doozy I think.
Guerin, Kolzig, Foote, Draper, …. no one Close to Sundin
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
sakic was drafted 2 years before sundin
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hall of Fame eligibility has nothing to do with draft year… it’s about when you retired.
Who retired same year as Mats?
Fedorov, CuJo, Kolzig, Lemieux, Naslund, Roenick, Sakic, Shanahan, Zubov
I’d say it’s JR, Joe, Shanny and Mats that year.
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Claude Lemieux gets in over Mats in my opinion
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Equal oppurtunity asshole
wut?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I said it.
I truly believe Sundin is a HHOF, but not a true first ballot
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
except
it’s the HOCKEY hall of fame, not the NHL Hall of Fame.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, Captain of Gold Medal winning team at the Olympics will really help
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm I could have sworn I put HHOF not NHOF
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Lemiuex never did anything internationally is what you’re overlooking.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
his reg season stats aren’t spectacular either.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 22, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean Claude Lemieux, right Karina?
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Yes.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
While Lemieuxs reg stats are awful and no international trophies. His 158 playoff points, top 10 playoff goals, 4 cups, a conn smythe make him look good
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he likely goes in the hall, Sundin isn’t going to be stopped solely because he is.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 22, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah
I would just put Sundin in there first.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Captain My Captain
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by Archimedies on Jun 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
/sign
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Lemieux will get in, but didn’t he make it to the NHL a bit this season on that comeback?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sundin
Fourth greatest European player ever behind Jagr, Kurri, and Mikita. He’s a 1st ballot no problem.
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if Nieuwendyk wasnt a 1st ballot lock, im not so sure Sundin is…
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Mats Sundin >>> Joe Nieuwendyk.
Better numbers and his career took place in the dead puck era. He didn’t get almost a decade of screwing around in the 80s and early 90s.
But again…I think it’s a very strong draft class that year. Good thing Cheli played with the Thrashers a bit last year.
Joe doesn't win comparison of awards
Calder + Conn Smythe is not better than Selke + 3rd place Hart. Lots of ultimately mediocre players win the Calder and the Conn Smythe is a team award as much as anything.
And Dougie’s stats clearly better as you point out.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Conn Smythe > all other awards
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this is correct. although a Hart isn’t shabby, third placing for it is miles behind a Conn Smythe.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 22, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Nonsense, not for individuals. It’s a team achievement. This year is a perfect example.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell that to J.S. Giguere.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell that to Teemu, Nieds, Pronger, Getzlaf, etc. etc.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
They weren’t on the team the year Giguere won the Conn Smythe.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot he won it in losing cause.
OK, anyone who wins in a losing cause, it’s individual. Not Nieuwy.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not a very consistent definition of the award, then.
I’m not really sure when Niewendyk won it, and there can be arguments made for some recepients, but you can’t say that every Conn Smythe winner on a Cup winning team only won it because of his team.
Patrick Roy, for example.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Nieuwendyk won it with the Stars.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
But you need to look at his individual performance. Was he really leading the team or were Belfour, Modano etc. just as important/
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Brett Hull’s toe in the blue ice should have won the Conn.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I honestly don’t remember. I couldn’t hear the announcers explaining Joe winning the Smythe over all the Sabres fans sobbing. heh heh
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember the 1999 playoffs vividly
I was watching them with Brian Skrudland’s nephew, haha. We have em all taped. Joe was DOMINANT that year. There’s no question in my mind that Joe Niewendyk had the best all-around career of all the names being thrown around today. No disrespect intended to killer. There’s talk of Mats playing in the “dead puck era”. Joe won 2 cups in the dead puck era, with different teams.
I’m saying Nieuwendyk played on an awesome team and wouldn’t have otherwise been in a position to win the CS. Hull, Modano (who outpointed him), Belfour, Zubov, etc. etc. Dougie didn’t have the good luck to play on such a great team. Put him on a team like that and maybe he gets it instead. It’s a function of what team you’re on, not JUST how good you are.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
but you keep trying to define the award as a non-individual achievement. I’m saying that it’s not true, it is an individual achievement with a few exceptions, like Toews this year.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a function of what team you’re on, not JUST how good you are.
Isn’t that true of all the awards, except maybe the Lady Byng. And who wants to win the Lady Byng anyways?
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Sure, but team factors are obviously much more important for CS. Other trophy winners can come from lots of teams, CS only one (or two).
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly not Alex Mogilny.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Hextall win it in 87?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jun 22, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Reggie Leach won it in the 70s when the Habs lost.
It’s a good trivia question: players that have won the Conn Smythe but were on the Stanley Cup losing team.
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D’oh! I meant when the Flyers lost!
I just wish the Habs always lost the cup.
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really?
the guy who led the playoffs in scoring? that was for the team?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Very good arguments were made for Keith and Kane.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Very good arguments sure but they sure as hell didn’t win it.
Coming in third place for regular season MVP is never going to take the place of winning MVP of the whole freakin playoffs.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Claude Lemieux and Butch Goring won the CS. Do they belong in the Hall ahead of Dougie too?
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
First, I’m not the only person saying this. Second, you’re picking and choosing what to acknowledge. I’m not saying Nieuwendyk deserves to get into the hall ahead of gilmour solely on the basis of one winning the CS and the other coming in second or third or whatever.
I’m saying that … outside of anything else … actually winning the MVP of hte PLAYOFFS is superior to not actually winning something else.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah, but people are throwing it out there like conclusive proof Nieuwy > Gilmour. To me it’s a minor factor, largely a product of circumstance.
But I agree it’s probably why he will go in ahead of Dougie. Voters care about awards more than they should.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
no.
what we’re saying is that joe nieuwendyk stats + Conn Smythe + 3 Cups
>
Doug Gilmour stats + selke + hart nomination + 1 cup
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Arggh, the Cup wins argument. Teams win Cups!
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yea! F Henri Reichard and his 10 cups!
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, he got by all those years on his name alone … or something.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
Great players get in whether or not they have cups.
Really good players get in when they have more cups.
It’s a simple formula.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
basically, since neither Gilmour nor Niewy are in the “great player” level, # of cups comes in to play
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Gilmour deserves to be considered a “great player” see the company he keeps with regards to all time stats.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Gilmour’s up there with Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, etc? Really?
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Colton Orr maybe.
…I kid, I kid.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he is in the top 20 though. Those guys are generational legends. He is a great player though.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You think Doug Gilmour cracks the top 20 of all-time NHL players?
He didn’t crack the Hockey News’ Top 100
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I think there might be (Eric Lindros? Really?) but I wouldn’t put Gilmour top 20.
It’s really hard to compare today’s players to Newsy Lalonde.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, now statistically he does.
Not top 20 all time greats no, he is one of the best within the last 30 years.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
eh….stats don’t mean everything.
sure he has more points than bob gainey, does that mean he was a better player…hell no.
and i’m a die-hard leafs fan.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
I know, I’m just angry.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re all making very good points and I’m doing the internet equivalent of plugging my ears shaking my head and saying I can’t hear you.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
I love doing that.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
All you do is plug em all into NHL 10 and see what happens.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
and still pretty relevant
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He was arguably one of the two best players the Leafs have had in the past twenty years.
beyond that…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
when you compare Gilmour to the rest of the league…. doesn’t hold up.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
I am a HUGE Gilmour fan (my first Leafs jersey was a Gilmour…) and I would love to see him in the HHOF one day, but lets look at this with a modicum of rationality…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. I’m blinded by rage which will eventually give way to reason and clear-headedness.
Bottom Line: He is a Hall of Famer.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
but just a modicum, we don’t wanna get all crazy here
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Coincidence that after Joe won a cup and conn smythe in 2001, he got traded to NJ and won the cup there?
I think not
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
Yeah, NJ never won anything without him…
Clearly his 9 points in the playoffs were all the difference on a team with Elias, Nieds, Rafalski, Brodeur, Stevens, etc.
So yeah, I’m calling BS on your suggestion he was the difference maker there in his SECOND season with NJ.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Discussing this with you is like discussing Komi with you. You don’t like him so nothign ANYONE says will sway your opinion.
So fuck it
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
by leafer1984 on Jun 22, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ahem. Try to be rational, not ad hominem, as I have always been. I LOOOOVE Nieuwy. I was there when he went fivehole on Lalime. I put him basically on par with GIlmour, my favourite player ever. I just think Gilmour is slightly better because I personally weigh individual accomplishments more heavily than team ones for HHOF induction.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
dude, no offense, but some of your opinions definitely seem to be swayed by how much you like a player, despite what you think.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I put him basically on par with Gilmour, my favourite player ever
Well he says it right there. Props for consistency.
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Which just shows how incorrect Leafer is. I have nothing against Komi and I in fact love Nieuwendyk. I will argue strongly for a position but it’s always fact based. I won’t apologize for that.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying in this case, but you’re trying to put yourself on a pedestal that I don’t agree with.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just sick of leafer’s overly personal attacks.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
They are not personal.
I don’t know you, how can they be personal?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
Ok man.
How about this, I accept your stance, you accept mine.
Truce.
Cool?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
Agree to disagree?
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, this all seems to go back to Komi for you, right? You’ve called me out about 3 times on that.
Chemmy thinks Komi will perform to his contract. I disagree, but I am not bothered by his opinion and (I assume) he’s not bothered by mine. You seem bothered by my opinion on Komi and I don’t know why.
I will never take personally anyone’s difference of opinion. It’s the personal “calling out” that I would very much like to never do or receive.
Let’s hope Komi kicks ass next year and both Nieuwy and Dougie go in to the HHOF.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Also agreed, on both parts at the end
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
If people ignore time stamps this thread will look schizophrenic.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
TELL HIM YOU LOVE HIM
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think you need to look in the mirror if we’re discussing failure to be swayed by rational argument and facts.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the year the Devils won the cup
Nieuwendyk was being employed as a shut down specialist. He was injured in the EC finals, which forced him to sit out the remaining
wish I could find the story, but Nieuwy was also suffering from chronic back problems. IIRC, during one game, the team in the dressing room could hear his cries of agony as he got his back adjusted enough to allow him to go out and play. The coach used that example of commitment as a rallying force for the team.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Great player, great guy, no question. Played on great teams.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
so did Gilmour
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Conn Smythe > both Selke and not winning an award.
Because you say an award is a ‘team award’ doesn’t make it true.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Only 20 players per year—those on the winning team (forget Hextall)—can win the CS. They can’t win it without awesome teammates. That isn’t true for Selke or Hart.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
An argument can be made that the Hart is on the same level as winning the Conn Smythe.
But the Selke? Not a chance.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Mike Peca and Brind’Amour are the onlys guy on that list who didn’t have a solid defense behind him.
Selke is a team award moreso than the Smythe.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=24962
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
wasnt it 2nd place hart, behind lemieux?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
i still say Gilmour meant more to the leafs than Lemieux did to the penguins…
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
that year
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Conn Smythe says he was during one playoff run, at least.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know that it’s that clear for Gilmour. It seems like there’s not much separating the two…
Goals per game: Nieuwendyk 0.45 | Gilmour 0.31
Assists per game: Nieuwendyk 0.45 | Gilmour 0.65
Pts per game: Nieuwendyk 0.9 | Gilmour 0.96
Nieuwendyk scored 51 as a rookie and 51 in his second season. Gilmour only cracked 40 once.
Nieuwendyk was on four all star teams to Gilmour’s two.
Niewendyk took home more individual awards (Calder, Clancy and the Conn Smythe) to Gilmour’s Selke. I doubt there’s many Conn Smythe winners that aren’t in the HHOF.
I might give a slight advantage to Nieuwendyk, but it’s definitely close.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
And goals favor more heavily than assists in selection. Just see Cicarelli this year for proof.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I didn’t think Cicarelli had the numbers to ever make the Hall, never mind making it ahead of a few folks who seem much more deserving.
Was his eligibility about to expire?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Ummmm.... POW!
There are two spots reserved for women players and four for men players per year. Why the hell didn’t three more guys get in????
Any candidate receiving 75% or greater approval of the members of the Selection Committee present is declared elected. Candidates receiving fewer than 50% of the votes are dropped from further consideration for the year in question.
Oh. Looks like they might have beaten each other. Shit.
I can’t find anything on expiring eligibility in the HHOF’s bylaws regarding induction found here.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
What really bugs me is that the selection committee is a roomful of senile old white men.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Candidates receiving fewer than 50% of the votes are dropped from further consideration for the year in question.
Think maybe they were trying to get Cicarelli to 50%, lost track of the votes, and accidentally got him up to 75%?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Fuck man, I dunno. Just find it hard to believe that 75% of voters thought Cicarelli should get in.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
especially after denying him time and again all these years
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They board is a bunch of really old guys. Wouldn’t surprise me if one of them made a mistake on the HHOF abacus.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
HANGING CHAD!
RECOUNT! RECOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!1
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
ummm for the record I’m canadian.
and i would be willing to bet most of the people here who are canadian would have to look up ‘hanging chad’
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Have they not seen Charlie’s Angels?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
How old were you during the 2000 election? I mean if you’re old enough and didn’t hear about it…you must have had your TV and Radio turned off and your teachers zoned out. :)
Hmm…I was 13 in the 2000 election. I must not’ve had anything better to do that night…
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, I’m not saying I don’t know what it is.
But the majority of canadians who are my age (in university in 2000) would have NO idea what a hanging chad is, nor would they know it’s relevance.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Um, yeah. I’m Canadian and was 23 and working full time during 2000 and I have no idea what the hell a hanging chad is.
Did you see the pool? They flipped the bitch!!
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 22, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what a hanging chad is! It was a voting system where you punched out a hole in the card to make your vote and often it didn’t work.
I’m Canadian and I was 13 in 2000 too. Of course, I’m particularly interested in politics.
"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."
yeah, i’m the opposite of interested in US politics. Also, what a STUPID phrase!
Did you see the pool? They flipped the bitch!!
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 22, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So you were an ’87 baby too? High five!
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering the amount of American news we get up here, not really unfortunately.
Funny how it doesn’t go the other way around. Like if I shouted PROROGUE!!!1 I dont’ think anybody south of the border gets it.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I love pierogies! Delicious!
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
hahahah i do too
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell is wrong with you?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering the amount of American news we get up here, not really unfortunately…Funny how it doesn’t go the other way around.
That’s not just a Canada-US thing, it’s a global phenomenon. No matter where I am in the world, US news dominates yet Americans don’t seem to be up to speed on much foreign news.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
People always look up at the sky and never down at the ground.
/smug American
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Indeed. Rick Mercer proved that pretty conclusively with “Talking to Americans.”
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes 5 former Red Wings being elected in the last two years.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
yea its supposed to be 5 former leafs!
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The prospect of this actually happening both terrifies and amuses me.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Please people stop with the King Clancy garbage. Ethan Moreau won it last year.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If Gilmour had won it, I’m sure it would be listed amongst his HHOF credentials.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
If Gilmour had done his miraculous run with the North Stars instead of the Leafs, would any of us be having this discussion?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Look, I confessed my bias off the top and I agree they’re very close but Dougie gets a slight edge to me.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s cool. Nothing wrong with cheering for laundry.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
If Messier won the cup with the North Stars instead of the Rangers would people still blow their loads over his leadership?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
if messier cried at the end of twilight would anyone be surprised?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
I think we need to turn that one around – if he didn’t cry at the end of twilight, who would be surprised?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I’d say yes, mostly because of his leadership with the unexpected cup win in ’89.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
with the Oilers?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
89 Was the Flames no?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, 1990. With the Oilers. Should have double-checked the dates.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
You wouldn’t knock Jagr or Messier because they played large chunks of their careers on teams who had a bigger star.
I knock Messier for everything.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Jagr could well make the HOF on the strength of his mullet alone.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
so your saying Grabbo is well on his way to being first ballot?
My Fan Base Can Beat Up Your Fan Base
by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
grabbo rocked it before it was ‘cool’ again
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabbo’s mullet is lustrous and full of life, Kanes mullet is just a little sprout of a mudlflap
My Fan Base Can Beat Up Your Fan Base
by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Mullen and Mike Modano aren’t Lemieux and Gretzky.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Go look at the stats. They’re virtually indistinguishable.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nieuwy had a total of 5 more points in their 3 years together. And he never did anything like Doug’s 92-94.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 22, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS JUST IN
DAMIEN COX ATTACKS FRIEND OF THE BLOG, PAT QUINN:
@DamoSpin Didn’t take the Oilers nearly as long as the Leafs to figure it out, huh?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
For the recond, Damien Cox is a buffoon
For the record, IMHO only players should get into HHOF. Rest just muddies the waters, makes it about who has the most friends in high places
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
he is just swinging for the fences, i guess he hasnt blocked any one on twitter today and wants to feel like a big man
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a doofus hockey writer hall of fame?
We should move to induct him immediately.
by JoshuaDPreston on Jun 22, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
what a tool… Quinn has forgotten more about hockey than Damien will ever know
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
did anyone see him drooling all over twitter about tennis the past couple days?
fuck i hate him
My Fan Base Can Beat Up Your Fan Base
by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
what a fruitcake..
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
more CAP news
Real_ESPNLeBrun
Final cap number, which will be more than $59 M, must be agreed upon and finalized by NHL and NHLPA when they compare numbers over next week half a minute ago via UberTwitter
Take Kaberle and Finger off the books for next season. Leafs have 20 million in cap space. Any doubts they’re going after Kovy/Marl?
PLAYOFFS!!!1
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
BOTH!
My Fan Base Can Beat Up Your Fan Base
by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Man
other teams aren’t nearly as screwed as I thought they’d be.
We won’t even need to bury Finger.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Phil Kessel ($5.400m) / Tyler Bozak ($3.725m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($2.900m)
Colton Orr ($1.000m) / Brayden Irwin ($0.900m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Luca Caputi ($0.833m) / Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Mike Komisarek ($4.500m)
Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m) / Luke Schenn ($2.975m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($6.000m) / Jonas Gustavsson ($1.350m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 15; CAP: $59.0m; PAYROLL: $43.283m; CAP ROOM: $20.142m BONUSES: $5.450m
the forward lines make me a sad panda
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i take back my PLAYOFFS!!!1…… seeing that first line, followed by Orr-Irwin-Stalberg made me throw up a little…
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s because you haven’t added Ilya F***ing Kovalchuk to them yet.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
and kulemin!
My Fan Base Can Beat Up Your Fan Base
by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and Hanson!
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jun 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god
that’s depressing
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk, Ilya ($8.500m) / Tyler Bozak ($3.725m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($2.500m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($2.900m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Christian Hanson ($0.975m) / Luca Caputi ($0.833m)
Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.750m) / John Mitchell ($0.800m) / Colton Orr ($1.000m)
Wayne Primeau ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($0.800m) / Mike Komisarek ($4.500m)
Korbinian Holzer ($0.595m) / Luke Schenn ($2.975m)
Keith Aulie ($0.733m)
GOALTENDERS
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.350m) / Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($6.000m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 22; CAP:$59.0m; PAYROLL: $59.107m; CAP ROOM: $4.318m BONUSES: $6.475m
Where’s Marleau?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
we let LA sign him so we could have Kovalchuk
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That was nice of us.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
this is so that, in the future, they trade Doughty to us for spare parts.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the elusive “future considerations”
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
even weirder….no higgins
My Fan Base Can Beat Up Your Fan Base
by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I also don’t see Bobby Ryan+.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Or Shea Weber!!!!!!1
On the Forecheck: preaching the Predators' gospel to the unwashed masses.
Twitter/Cycle Like the Sedins
by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, we’re gonna pick him up as a UFA!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
(psst Franson is RFA right now)
On the Forecheck: preaching the Predators' gospel to the unwashed masses.
Twitter/Cycle Like the Sedins
by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
(psst, we have no picks)
My Fan Base Can Beat Up Your Fan Base
by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha.
On the Forecheck: preaching the Predators' gospel to the unwashed masses.
Twitter/Cycle Like the Sedins
by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
See? Plenty of room.
You can even unbury Finger if you’d like.
Sons of '67: A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I love it when a plan comes together.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s been lurking the whole time!
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Great. Now I have to kill you.
Go, Nonis. Go!
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by T is for Truculence on Jun 22, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
HA
resemblance
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
they have to compare the results when the cap number is 56.8 * 1.05?
Yay lawyers!
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That’s not how it’s calculated. The cap number won’t be above $59M.
Mirtle was talking about this on Twitter. There’s a 5% bump to the mid-point revenues that set the cap, not a 5% bump to the cap.
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Agreed.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh.
I was kinda hoping the Leafs weren’t getting Horton. Whenever I watched him play, he never really impressed me.
Other than Vokoun
Does anyone on the Panthers team impress?
Not really.
Then again it’s hard to talk when our team finished BEHIND them.
/facepalm.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Goaltending covers a multitude of errors.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Booth put up nice numbers before his injury. The stats boys love Stephen Weiss. That’s about it…amazing to think they finished ahead of the Leafs for three years running.
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too lazy to check shrpsports.com right now, but i seem to remember toronto kind of sucking against florida the last few years. we may have finished ahead of them if we dominated them instead of vice versa.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Leafs seem to be terrible in those Tuesday night games vs. the SE.
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690
comments, for something that doesn’t even directly involve the leafs? bahaha, love it.
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While we're random....
why does Taylor Hall remind me so much of retarded Matt Damon?
by A Lindros Jaw on Jun 22, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap
those are some serious chompers on that big nosed horse face guy up top…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
We just like to talk hockey.
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Looks like they’re not trading him.
If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions.
"It's not fair. He's just a pitcher." - Dave Jageler
You know you wanna.
by Steck It Out on Jun 22, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow and I thought Burke knew how to bluff with Kaberle.
Psst Chicago, not a chance.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nabokov is hitting the market. Sharks going in a different direction.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 6:12 PM EDT reply actions
This has me excited!
I think they’ll keep Marleau… sign Ellis!
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
STL?
Washington, my guess.
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Trying to think who has the $. I don’t think he’ll be all that cheap honestly…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i think only something like 3 NHL teams don;t have a starter signed and one is montreal
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Two Russian goaltenders? They could challenge Ottawa for the ‘Choke City’ title.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
Halak is slovak
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
NO.
If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions.
"It's not fair. He's just a pitcher." - Dave Jageler
You know you wanna.
by Steck It Out on Jun 22, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Dreger
No talk yet between Bruins and Leafs,with Wideman traded how long before Kaberle to Boston discussions start? Some say Savard is available.
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
Huh boy.
I can’t wait until the rumors taper off and the real trades happen.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
few more days
till july 1 :) and who knows what trades might go down in three days time.
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by whyevenbother on Jun 22, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Horton & Halak trades not enough for you? I’m surprised by the amount of trades before the draft.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I am too, to be honest. I guess by ‘trades’, I really just meant was ‘Leaf trades’.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
well
if all goes according to Burke’s plan, Kaberle should gone soon.
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by whyevenbother on Jun 22, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Merciful God, let it be so. I can’t deal with any more Kaberle trade talk. It’s a part of the reason I haven’t been around much lately. Well, that, and new employment.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
now you jinxed it...
Kaby isn’t going anywhere now, until the final week before his NTC is reactivated. haha. I think i would kill myself if that happened.
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by whyevenbother on Jun 22, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Savard signed a WAY below market value contract with an NTC to stay in Boston. There’s a 0.0000000000% chance he leaves the Bruins.
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Kaby for Savy e5
Perhaps seeing into the future Savard took said discount in anticipation of a trade to Toronto?
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I hear that’s what Kessel txted him to do.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s obvious he can’t live without Kessel.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 22, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
can you imagine……damn……..Savard and Kessel again
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Bam.
2010-11 TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.500m) / * Marc Savard ($4.007m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($2.500m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($2.900m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m)
Christian Hanson ($0.900m) / Tyler Bozak ($3.725m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.750m) / * John Mitchell ($0.750m) / Colton Orr ($1.000m)
Luca Caputi ($0.833m)
DEFENSEMEN
Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Mike Van Ryn ($1.000m) / Mike Komisarek ($4.500m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($0.800m) / Luke Schenn ($2.975m)
Korbinian Holzer ($0.595m) / * Phil Oreskovic ($0.550m)
GOALTENDERS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($6.000m) / Jonas Gustavsson ($1.350m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.0m; PAYROLL: $62.905m; CAP ROOM: $0.520m BONUSES: $6.300m
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 22, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Van Ryn for a comeback contract
He gave me an autograph for my birthday when he was recovering from surgery
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heh
Cox just tweeted that Quinn was forced out. Second time today that’s been said about EDM/Quinn…
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by blurr1974 on Jun 22, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions
Weird, could have sworn this was about the Nathan Horton trade…
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yeah, the Horton deal i think he could do real well in bos…OO LOOK A PENNY!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 22, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Chemmy said we could!!!
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by Karina on Jun 22, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
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