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2009-2010 Luke Schenn

From Beauchemin to Stalberg, we're taking a look at and grading (please read the criteria below) the 2009-10 season for every player who laced 'em up for the Maple Leafs for a significant number of games during the campaign, with an eye towards 2010-11. That means only guys that are still property of the Maple Leafs. We're doing this in concert with Maple Leafs Hot Stove. Next up, Luke Schenn.

Luke Schenn

#2 / Defenseman / Toronto Maple Leafs

6-2

216

Nov 02, 1989

Years in the NHL: 2

Became a Leaf: Drafted in the 1st Round, 5th overall at the 2008 NHL draft.

Contract Status: Third year of ELC contract; $875k cap hit ($2.975M with bonuses)

 

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2009 - Luke Schenn 79 5 12 17 2 50 0 0 1 0 101 5.0

The Summary:

People will point to the Calder worthy performance of Tyler Myers, or the Norris worthy performance of Drew Doughty and then say that Schenn had a terrible season; a sophomore slump if you will. Those people are dead wrong. Doughty is among the elite of the elite defensemen in the game, and Tyler Myers benefited from being on a Sabres team with terrible defense while playing in front of the game's best goal in Ryan Miller. Schenn, on the other hand, played on a team with proven veteran defensemen like Beauchemin, Phaneuf, and Kaberle. Another thing to note is that Schenn was never touted as a point producing blue liner; his game is out of a shut down style of play against tough competition. Myers led his team with nearly 3 minutes of PP time a game; Schenn averaged 14 seconds.

In my and many others opinion, Luke Schenn was brought up to the NHL at a far too early age. He should have played another year in the WHL before playing for the Toronto Marlies this past season. Far too often in the Maple Leaf's past they have hurried youngsters and ultimately missed out on their potential. This is now even more a risk in the salary cap era as now two years have been wasted on Schenn's ELC, bringing ever closer to the eligibility for dreaded free agency.

Schenn is just now starting to show the skill that warranted his high selection back in 2008 just like other draft picks from that year such as John Carlson, Alex Pietrangelo, and Colin Wilson. Normal prospects take time to mature before being thrown to the wolves of the NHL, fortunately it looks like Schenn, despite all the mistakes made with him thus far, is still going to develop into a great player.

Please read the whole article before you vote. I'll know if you didn't.

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The Good:

79 games played; 5 goals; 12 assists; 50 PIM.  The list of 20 year old defensemen who can play that many games at the highest level and put up those numbers is a very very short one.  While Schenn's offensive game was originally just an afterthought; his two goal performa nce against Ottawa back in February showed that he has developed his shot into a weapon to be feared. Seriously what a blast. Also of note is the 50 PIM, down from 71 PIM in 9 fewer games from last year. This helps to shed light on the fact that he is becoming a smarter defensemen who is not caught out of position as frequently as he once was.

If I were to take a veteran player in the NHL right now, and compare them to Luke Schenn in terms of style of play, development, production, and potential that player would be Ryan Suter.  Both were high draft pick defensive defensemen. They are roughly the same size and shape. Both come from hockey pedigree families. And their numbers after their first two seasons are nearly identical (Note: At the time Suter played for a 100 point Nashville team) One important difference however is that Suter was 20 at the time of his NHL season, and Schenn was only 18.  Suter was an Olympic silver medalist for the United States this year. I'm just saying give Schenn some time to full develop and mature before you pass judgement on him.

The Bad:

While modeled as a hard minutes, shut down defensemen Schenn played the least amount of minutes among the regular Leafs defensemen, and did so against the weakest opposition. Now this can attributed to both the logjam of veteran defensemen ahead of him, and to the emergence of Carl Gunnarsson as a legit NHLer. (Please make note that Gunnarsson was a rookie at the age of 23 this year. Just saying...) But really I don't believe giving your 20 year old blue chip defensive prospect sheltered minutes is a bad thing, in fact I think it's the right thing to do. Remember, if it were up to me, he'd have been playing on the Marlies.

The Ugly:

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Seriously, this was the worst picture of Schenn I could find on the Internet. (Not pictured: Dave Nonis)

The Eye Candy:

Luke Schenn 3 point (2G, 1A) night - Feb 6, 2010 (via lackofchaos)

The Discussion:

Some say sophomore slump. Some say draft bust. I say future organizational cornerstone. I've laid out the facts, stats, and some opinion. What do you say?

Audience Participation:

Rate Schenn below on a scale of Aki Berg-OLAS (OLAS being the best) based on his performance relative to his potential and your expectations for the season - if he had the best year you could have imagined him having, give him an OLAS; if he more or less played as you expected he would, give him a 5 or a 6; if he had the worst year you could have imagined him having, give him an Aki Berg.

Poll
How would you rate Luke Schenn's season?
Aki Berg
12 votes
2
1 votes
3
7 votes
4
30 votes
5
59 votes
6
117 votes
7
129 votes
8
64 votes
9
11 votes
OLAS
34 votes

464 votes | Poll has closed

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4.

Played too many easy minutes, and his first half struggles hurt my ranking. Second half play was much improved, especially his aggressiveness in the offensive zone. I know I’m not as high on Schenn as most people here, but he seems to genuinely want to improve his game. Year 3 is going to be the big test.

by birky on Jun 23, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

He played easy QCOMP but with horrible QTEAM. Only Gunnarsson had worse QTEAM.

I’d like to see splits too, Schenn’s game stunk until about December. After that he was a machine.

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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

best I can do.

don’t think Gabe does splits on his site.

by birky on Jun 23, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hockey-Reference does splits

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by PPP on Jun 23, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not for QCOMP and QTEAM they don’t.

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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

5

Schenner did about what I expected, I expected him to struggle a bit with a softmore slump, but I also expected his offensive game to improve a bit
Love the kid, still think he will be one of the best defensive players in the game, but to say I was impressed with last season would be a push

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Right on the money, Jared

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 23, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

6

Imagined this could be a bit of a tricky year for him after he experienced a good rookie season and expectations were raised. Got off to a rocky start but seemed to improve after a few months and I think the impact of Dion Phanuef is quite relevant as well. Seems like a good leader for Luke to take after, and while Phanuef may still be young and Schenn is not quite as talented offensively, you could do a lot worse as far as role models go. I also think a full season of Komisarek could be a good thing too. Really excited for his future as a franchise, shut-down defenseman.

by brewerm on Jun 23, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Dion was(is?) Schenn’s favourite player , that might have helped

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really? I don’t think I’ve heard that. In fact, my impression from interviews was that Schenn and Phaneuf didn’t hang out much at all.

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by JP Nikota on Jun 23, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he said it in one of the post/pre draft interviews

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

5

Sophomore regression. But he’ll bounce back. Schenn’s in it for the long haul.

Also: shocking how much Dave Nonis looks like PPP. SHOCKING.

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by eyebleaf on Jun 23, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

What regression?

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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The regression that led Ronny Ron Ron Wilson to call him out:

"It’s up to Luke to start playing with the intensity we need from him," said Wilson. "In your second year, you’re a little content. Your first year kind of went your way a little bit and you come in, relax and you don’t have the same drive or hunger and it’s up to me as a coach to get that out of him."

"Hopefully it doesn’t come to him having to sit out games to get a message across," Wilson said.

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by eyebleaf on Jun 23, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

it did lead to some sit-out games. Though he got better.

(Again, I’m surprised I didn’t do my usual over-the-top fanboyism. Thank God.)

by Marc Pilgrim on Jun 23, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did indeed get much better later in the season. Growing pains, that’s all.

Plus, his first two years in the NHL were played in front of Vesa Toskala. That’s a learning experience if there ever was one. No doubt Luke Schenn will appreciate true goaltending for the rest of his life.

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by eyebleaf on Jun 23, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Settled? We all knew this months ago

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by leafer1984 on Jun 23, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think we are making a plaque or something

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Equal oppurtunity asshole

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by loser domi on Jun 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

that would make sitting down awkward and uncomfortable

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

The appropriate response to his comment was
you’re a dick

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 23, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you sir.

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by leafer1984 on Jun 23, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh

You learn quick…oh wait, YOU ARE SPACE WEED.

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by PPP on Jun 23, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No wonder you don’t write under your real name (though most of the SBNation bloggers know it anyways)

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 23, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of the SBN bloggers want to pursue journalism or marketing or blogging. Some of us have day jobs and need or want to keep things separate.

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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus

if PPP used his real name, all we’d do is spend time making fun of it.

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by Karina on Jun 23, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

My name is cool/reminds everyone that I likely do have cartel connections.

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by PPP on Jun 23, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's also fun to yell

JUUUUUUUUUUUULLLIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

in bed?

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by Karina on Jun 23, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont kiss and tell
leave that to Skinnyfish

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLIANNNNNNNNNNNN

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by furcifer on Jun 24, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

woah woah wooooooooah!

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 24, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

makes me think more of “Hey Jude” than Scarface, but to each their own

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by blurr1974 on Jun 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought it was determined that PPP actually was Dave Nonis in disguise. Have we ever seen them together?

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 23, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, Just because Myers and Doughty were better doesn’t mean that OLAS sucked, so i voted OLAS.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 23, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

many casual Leaf fans think that because of his draft position he should be as good offensively as he is defensively totally forgetting that he was drafted to be a premier shut down guy. Also for a lot people, numbers are everything and if you aren’t putting up big numbers, you suck.
last leaf game I went to, some old dude who said he was a “pretty good hockey mind” was ripping on Schenn for not scoring 20 goals this year, it was redic

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You didn’t read the full review did you?

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

reading is for squares, dude

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Christian Bale

thinks its hip to be square

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by leafer1984 on Jun 23, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I rate players in their first three years on future expectations.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 23, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

and you can't stop me!

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 23, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jammies loves a challenge

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, i suppose you COULD, but it would probably cost too much money and time.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 23, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

really? I dont know how time consuming and expensive a ban is, but i cant imagine its that bad

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I sneakily changed the subject of my statement to a non-admin.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 23, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

5

Played well at the end of the season. Improved all his scoring totals.

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by leafer1984 on Jun 23, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I watched most leaf games this year and I thought the regression was overemphasized. He sucked when the team sucked, but IIRC he started improving after getting scratched, was becoming solid defensively, and things looked real good after BB Day.

Also, I thought I saw some flashes of offensive ability (outlet pass, good shot) that I didn’t know was there before, and I’m wondering if any of you guys saw the same?

by samspade on Jun 23, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

(Looks up to what’s written above)

Yup.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I noticed that after i posted my comment. Im with Jared.

by samspade on Jun 23, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

5

and is he using self-tanner in that pic with Dave Nonis PPP?

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by loser domi on Jun 23, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

PPP’s warming glow causes insta-tan

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

he has an orange streak on his forehead. Weird.

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by loser domi on Jun 23, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

he got that from headbutting brayden while establishing dominance

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

OLAS

He, along with the rest of the team, sucked to start the year. Was it playing him on the wrong side? Was it just the typical sophomore slump? Was it proof-positive that not returning him to junior was the worst possible decision ever made in the history of decision making in the universe?

No. It was Vesa Toskala. In the grassy knoll…

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by blurr1974 on Jun 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

with the candle stick

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

6. The list of defensemen who struggled a bit as sophomores is significantly longer than the list of those who didn’t. I liked the fact that his game did come around and he was really solid in the back half of the season.

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by 1967ers on Jun 23, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

this sums up pretty much how I feel.

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by Karina on Jun 23, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

possessed and fake baking

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by loser domi on Jun 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chemmy asked for splits and I deliver

Games 1-10: 2P, -3
Games 11-20: 0P, -3
Games 21-30: 2P, +7
Games 31-40: 2P, -3
Games 41-50: 4P, +3
Games 51-60: 3P, -6
Games 61-70: 4P, +5
Games 71-79: 1P, 0

And his overall totals for both in handy-dandy graph form:

Yup, he turned it on at the midway point.

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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

<3 charts.

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by Ubiquitous on Jun 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

needs more pie

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

how have I never seen this before?

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by Karina on Jun 23, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cause I just made it 10 minutes ago.

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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

good job, partner

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by Karina on Jun 23, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

fantastic

now I want a Grabbo one, equal parts magnificent hair and madness, with a dash of citrus

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

pineapples aren’t citrus

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by Fergus30 on Jun 23, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I didn’t say pineapple, I said citrus

its part of the grabbo mystery

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Must also include pineapple or all arguments are void.

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by Fergus30 on Jun 23, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

grabbo is careful with the pineapples now, leaves no evidence behind, takes none with him, just like a good assassin

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is rec worthy

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 23, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant splits with useful information, sorry if that was unclear.

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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best I could find for splits

Was the hockey-reference site. They don’t do QUALCOMP, CORSI, GVT etc as of the moment, but there’s still a lot of good stuff there. Especially when running comparisons over a period of time (can do that under ‘Play Index’ for those not familiar with the site).

Here’s Schenn’s profile, in ‘splits’ mode:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/schenlu01/splits/2010/

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by GarrettBauman on Jun 23, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

For Example

Under Player Season Finder, I just ran a query to return single season stat lines for defenders at age 20, from 2005-06 through 2009-10.

In that span, Schenn’s 17 points in 2009-10 are tied for 5th (with Kris Letang) for points by defensemen at age 20 since the lockout. Doughty, Phaneuf, Meszaros and Seabrook are the only (post-lockout) defenders to have more points at age 20 than Schenn.

Something to think about …

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by GarrettBauman on Jun 23, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone tossed up a Fanshot comparing Schenn to Green and Keith at similar ages here a few months ago.

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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

can you please send me the link for that, if you can find it again?

by Schenn4captain on Jun 23, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enjoy

Here

For me, Schenn’s “regression” was a product of unreasonable expectations, terrible teammates (note Chemmy’s comment re. his QTEAM), abysmal goaltending, and a little bit of bad play early in the year.

Most numbers don’t really capture what a defensive D-man does, but Schenn last year jumped from 1.1 to 5.3 in GVT in spite of playing so few minutes.

Volchenkov had a 5.1.

I voted 7. Maybe my expectations were lower than others, but he exceeded them by significantly improving his offensive and defensive game by the end of the year.

by The '67 Sound on Jun 23, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

unreasonable expectations

I’d say this one was my biggest factor. My expectations were astronomical and completely irrational.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 23, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

At age 20, Mike Green had 3 points in 22 games. Duncan Keith didn’t get to the NHL until he was 22, which in a way highlights what SkinnyFish was saying about bringing the kids along slowly.

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by GarrettBauman on Jun 23, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Of course,

They are offensive defensemen whereas Schenn is a shutdown guy, so comparisons need to be taken with a grain of salt. But I think the comparison is valid in the sense of providing further insight as to why it’s a mistake for people to write a guy off only two years in, and at such a young age.

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by GarrettBauman on Jun 23, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Suter

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Won’t argue with that comparison a single bit.

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by GarrettBauman on Jun 23, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Keith wasn’t seen as an offensive defenseman much until this year? More a solid, all-around defender, who found an offensive game this year.

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by Karina on Jun 23, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was always an offensive defenseman. The problem was, he was so skinny in the NCAA and WHL that the ‘Hawks weren’t sure of his future as an NHLer. They thought taking him in the 2nd round was a huge risk … but once he got the weight up to where it needed to be, his game began to develop at a rapid pace.

Keith is a testament to the value of patience. The ‘Hawks honed his defensive game on the third pairing his first 2 years in the league. it wasn’t until 2007-08, his 3rd season in the NHL, when he started to become an offensive force (12 goals). And the rest, is history.

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by GarrettBauman on Jun 23, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahhhh this makes sense

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by Karina on Jun 23, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh, I love this game.

At age 20, Mike Green had 3 points in 22 games. Duncan Keith didn’t get to the NHL until he was 22

At 20, Zdenek Kutlak had 2 points in 10 games. Jim Fahey didn’t make the NHL until he was 23 and he put up 20 points in just 43 games.

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by mf37 on Jun 23, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like the first two names much better.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 23, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

was watching the 2006 draft on the NHL network yesterday, and I remembered your comment about the draft/prospects and how every player was some combination of “insert HOF players name here” etc.

Sure enough, Kessel gets drafted and he’s a combination of Hull (shot) and LaFontaine (skating). Still waiting for either of those comparisons to come true…

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by blurr1974 on Jun 23, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who was Jordan Staal’s?

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by Karina on Jun 23, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the crazy comparables that get thrown around the draft and at prospects.

I also love that no one ever looks at any prospect and pulls out names like Daniel Tkaczuk, Jani Rita or Jiri Novotny. It’s always the big guns who had slow starts that get cited.

It’s like whenever a friend’s kid struggles in school, some parent always pulls out the fact that Einstein allegedly got bad grades.

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by mf37 on Jun 23, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, he didn’t.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 23, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a modern day Einstein and I got straight As.

/smug

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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you enjoy your time rubber stamping patents.

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by mf37 on Jun 23, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’mma stamp patents and bang chemistry students!

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I presumed that’s how one of our overlords came to be known as Chemmy.

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by mf37 on Jun 23, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha, I’ve always wondered.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 23, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not.

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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You hair’s not that bad…

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by clrkaitken on Jun 23, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This game is not as much fun :(

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by PPP on Jun 23, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fun Fact: Know Who Schenn Loves Playing Most?

Ottawa and Philadelphia.

In 8 games versus Philly, Schenn has 2g, 2a, 5PIM and is a +3.

In 10 games versus Ottawa, Schenn has 2g, 2a, 21PIM and is a +7.

Ya, baby.

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by GarrettBauman on Jun 23, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I can live with that

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as he and Phillip keep filling the net against the Sens, I’ll be a happy panda.

Did you see the pool? They flipped the bitch!!

by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 23, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to go with 6, until I came across OLAS.

What a fucking bullet shot in that hilight pack. I look forward to seeing much more ice time out of him next year, and his “new and improved” shot.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 23, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Aki Berg should replace 1 in every single poll from now on.

by daykyles on Jun 23, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

except for goalie polls

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by Karina on Jun 23, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is, of course, He Who Shall Not Be Given More Google Returns.

by Bower Power on Jun 23, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard he does car commercials. In Japan.

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by Wrap Around Curl on Jun 23, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

actually that was in Toronto, I was behind the glass haha

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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 23, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh, chemmy was directly behind the glass on a massive hit from schenn on and islander, thats all i know

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

IT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!

Chemmy actually called that hit just before it happened. It was also the game I called Jason Blake’s spin-o-rama shootout winner. Hells yeah!

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by SkinnyFish on Jun 23, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i spent a good 4 minuites trash talking blake about how much he blew and he fucking goes and does that
I think the same thing happened at the Habs game, I spent a while ripping on how mitchell was useless and he scores that dandy on Halak

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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 23, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right before Schenn ruined Okposo I said “man I really hope Schenn drills someone into the glass in front of us”.

BOOOOOOOOOM

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by Chemmy on Jun 23, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it like Christmas wrapped in birthdays?

As per new community rules; all signature tags on PPP must contain the word "truculent".

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by Wrap Around Curl on Jun 23, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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