Savard and Kovalchuk: The Agony and the Ecstasy
by Chemmy on Jun 28, 2010 1:12 PM EDT
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PrintProbably time to address the whole Marc Savard rumors. This all started about one June 23rd when I saw CSNNE reporter Joe Haggarty talking about Savard being on the trading block. At the time I replied to him:
Savard signed a huge hometown discount to stay in Boston. He has an NTC. Why would he accept a trade? - @felixpotvin
And I still think that's the case. People in the comments have correctly pointed out that if Boston wants to clear cap space they can't take back salary from a roster player. (if Boston re-signs Kulemin to a $3M deal they might as well keep Savard, for example.)
Furthermore despite his limited NTC where he can pick five teams I don't think Boston wants to sell Savard to Toronto for pennies on the dollar; they'd be making their own first rounder in 2011 worse. Savard can name 5 teams in his NTC in varying combinations of "can't afford his salary", "too tight against the cap", "Boston won't deal with them" etc. and maybe he puts the Bruins in a terrible spot and does something like: TOR (ruin Boston's 1st), CHI (cap trouble), SJ (Already have Thornton), PIT (Crosby, Malkin, Staal), NSH (internal budget).
One wonders if Boston is in a hurry to move Savard because his concussion is worse than we think. That said if we don't give up roster players or Kadri none of our prospects are A+ talent so we aren't going to miss out on a lot. If Savard only performs at an elite level for two years as a bridge to Nazem Kadri that might not be terrible.
It all comes back to the fact that Savard signed a well below market deal with an NTC because he wants to stay in Boston. We'd be delighted to have Savard for a collection of spare parts a la Phaneuf but I just don't see it happening.
With reality out of the way though, what happens if we add Savard to the lineup? His contract is heavily front loaded with a very low cap hit relative to his production. The Leafs would still be in the running for Kovalchuk which gets interesting because the blue and white would have two elite shooters and a center comfortable with both.
Can the Leafs land Kovalchuk as a UFA? Rumor has it LA is getting ready to make a big offer but if Kovalchuk just wanted money he'd have stayed in Atlanta. He wants to play in a hockey mad market and I'm not sure LA is what he had in mind.
If you remember our post "The Leafs Team Save Percentage vs. Pythagorean Winning Expectation" we outlined that you can correlate a team's winning percentage from their goals for vs. goals against. In that post we stated:
If we got .915 goaltending for 60 games from our starter and .905 goaltending for 22 games from our backup we'd be in the .913 range at the end of the year. That probably would have won us the eighth spot in a weak East.
To back up our claim you can look at the Leafs record from the Giguere trade onwards and see that the Leafs team save percentage was .913 which our pythagorean analysis said was good for a 0.5732 points percentage. The Leafs actual record from February on was 13-10-3, meaning the Leafs earned 29 of a possible 52 points for a 0.5576 points percentage. Pretty close.
In that post we played with save percentage to see how increasing that would play with the standings. This time let's look at adding goals to our goals for. If we add Savard and Kovalchuk we'll be taking ice time away from someone so their goals added to the differential won't be the same as the number of goals they'll score.
I think a safe and reasonable assumption is that Savard could add ten goals to our goal differential while Kovalchuk adds 25. If Giguere and the Monster give us a team .910 save percentage and our defense gives up the same number of shots it did last year our GF should be around 244 which would have been tied for sixth in the NHL with Colorado. Our GA would be around 219 (tied for 10th best with Los Angeles).
Based on 244GF and 219GA the Leafs expected points percentage would be .6202, meaning they'd be on pace for a 102 point season. That would have won the Northeast division this year. That also ignores that Phil Kessel will outperform his last season with a full training camp and the fact that he won't see every team's top shut down line. Adding Savard and Kovalchuk could make this a season worth watching in Toronto finally.
I don't know if Savard is available to come here but I doubt it. I don't know if Burke can convince Kovalchuk to come here but I doubt that too. I do know however that adding Ilya Kovalchuk looks like an absolute necessity for this club and having a slick playmaking center with him couldn't hurt.
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Doubt we’ll see either of them as well, but hey, at least we have something other than Kaberle to talk about!
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
GOOD
I’m sick of talking about Kaberle.
Maybe all these rumours are just misdirection while he lands a whopper of a Kaberle deal!
/hopes
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Already got my Kovalchuk jersey ready to go.
…okay, its a Thrashers jersey, but what’s your point?
In all seriousness, while I’m not going to jump the gun and declare them both leafs, they certainly do have me excited.
Everyone forgets the most important thing with respect to Kovalchuk.
He wears #17.
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this is truly the debate we’d all engage in for weeks.
I’m betting he gets to wear it.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Wendel, here’s 100,000. Build a second rink in your backyard, I’ll be wearing 17 over here.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Punch.
Urk.
Dies.
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by 1967ers on Jun 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So the Leafs get a PPG player and Wendel kills him. What do leaf fans do?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
HAIL WENDEL
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If they died by Wendel’s hand it was always meant to happen that way.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Accept Wendel’s wisdom. He works in mysterious ways.
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Doubt it.
Not sure that Wendel is the type of player that Kovalchuk would’ve really been aware of.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Find his email. Send the All Heart thing.
Actually, I haven’t watched that in ages.
Off to youtube.
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Does it to me every time.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 28, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kovalchuk has met Slava Festisov, then it might happen
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless
Wendel is the one to put the sweater on Kovy himself with #17, there would be uproar.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Love that story.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s a significantly better one, it’s never the one that shows up on teh google, tho’.
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not what I was looking for
But here’s Apps getting congrats from the Habs for winning the 1947 Stanley Cup.
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That would be cool, but it shouldn’t be necessary. Who cares about uproar – he’s Ilya fucking Kovalchuk. Let the fans be mad until he scores 50, then see what they ask.
Traditions might not have much importance to someone that hasn’t been around a team much but they mean a lot to much of the fanbase.
Translation: Quiet you young whippersnapper.
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Its a number. I’ve never gotten the fascination with players and numbers, other than individual players having preferences on which ones they’d like to have. To everyone else, they should be what they actually are – large markers to make it visible who the player is from a distance.
At least to me, the number should be irrelevant the second a player leaves the team. I’m all for honoring players, but numbers are a practical means that shouldn’t becoming less available by the year because we find the people who happened to wear them to be good.
Its basically like saying “Welcome to the team! You can’t wear that number because some other guy did really well in it. We don’t care to give you the chance to do better in it, we’re just going to assume that nobody can do better”
Sorry, I just have never liked the number-as-holy concept, is all.
I think it comes from back when players did not have their names on the jerseys, so they were identified soley by their number.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You also own a senators jersey so you’re judgment is already suspect.
Numbers have power in all sports.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
someone had to say it.
Because some player nicknames are just awful.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought it was personal brand reasons nowadays.
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From the player’s perspective it can be depending on the player.
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That doesn’t make it right.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Because retirement is reserved for Leafs who died while on the team, and it lets us not run out of numbers.
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There’s always fractions, and irrational numbers!
Like Futurama, where they retired all the natural numbers in Blurnsball.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t wait to get my # π (Insert player name here) jersey
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Just gotta wait for a player named Apple, Strawberry, or Rhubarb.
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Lets hope Darryl Strawberry’s great great great great great great grandson takes up Hockey then.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
or Fiona Apple’s
or…….Barb….Rhubarb’s..
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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
darrrrryyyyyyl daaaaaarrryyyyyyyl
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Kovalchuk or his handlers are smart enough to realise that it means more since it’s honoured and that, like Jamal Mayers calling Borje Salming, they’ll have him get Wendel’s blessing.
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couldnt Kovy wear #71? or does he just prefer that for international play
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 28, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
wendel played for russia?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And then 71 pushes Malkin to a different number, I guess…
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps, but because it’s wendel, i still want him to. i want them to no ask him out of general principle.
Because some player nicknames just make sense.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
to “not” ask him out of general principle.
Because some player nicknames just make sense.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t see how the Leafs can compete in the next five years without Kovalchuk.
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Basically, it would mean that Kessel needs to become another version of Kovalchuk, and we would need to find secondary scoring somewhere else (Kadri, maybe, but more than likely, through some sort of a trade). It’d be hard, and it would cost us a lot more than signing Kovalchuk now would.
Burke’s a proud guy. If the Leafs add Kovalchuk and play a couple rounds in the playoffs that shuts people up about the Kessel trade real quick.
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Yeah. The real “ifs” about Savardalchuk, in my mind, are just two: 1) Is Savard really available for a pack of ELCs? and 2) Does Kovalchuk want to playin Toronto more than he wants to play in LA?
These are not small “ifs” – they may not even have been reported properly – but (if true) they’re surmountable.
Yeah
And I bet it wins him Executive of the Year
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I think these reasons for signing Kovalchuk that appeal to Burke’s ego may be the most relevant thing we’ve dicussed in a long time.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
overstatement?
Jesus, i hope so. Because i dont think we’re getting him..
I’m on board with the idea that truly ELITE talent is needed to win Cups, and the Leafs just dont have any in the pipeline, but a lot can change unexpectedly.
SJ got Thornton and turned into a power overnight. Vancouver turned their team around by getting Luongo for a song.
Kovy is not the be all and end all. I’m far more intrigued by the Savard rumours, although i cant see either of them happening.
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This is our Luongo moment. This is our Thornton moment. We can add Kovalchuk for straight cash. This is how we turn it around.
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red x?
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
x marks the spot.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s up. Refresh.
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I see a sailboat.
Because some player nicknames are just awful.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I understood Burke not gambling on Kabanov – he was a risk of a pick, and we still got a good prospect ahead of him.
I will be upset if we don’t take a serious run at Kovy. The only thing that will appease me is if we make a run at him, and he simply chooses another city despite a serious offer. (i.e. LA because they’re closer to the Cup in terms of immediate competitiveness)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
my point was
game-changers can be available through a trade. Not just UFA. Or hell, next year’s UFA class. Maybe Rick Nash decides it was a mistake and demands a trade, so he stinks for the first half of the year, and CBJ has to sell for 50 cents on the dollar. I have no idea.
putting all the eggs in the basket of the best UFA that year is not the only way. the Leafs absolutely need to get that elite talent for the team, and Kovy is the seemingly most available one right now.
But things change.
If we don’t have Kovy by 1210 pm on July 1st, we’re not pooched, is what Im’ saying. Other windows open.
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when was the last time a SUPERSTAR player demanded a trade?
And even if they did, we don’t have the assets to aquire one via a trade.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
last year, Dany Heatley.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
other than that, Pronger
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
touche.
but do we have the assets to try and get a player like that via trade?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
let’s see… Michalek, Cheechoo and what else was it?
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
a 2nd i believe
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
do we have a former 50 goal scorer we’d be willing to trade? nope.
a consistent 60pt winger that we’d be willing to deal? nope.
and a second round pick? Nope.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
yes we have a 2nd round pick
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
im pretty sure we have our 2011 one
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
2011
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
i always thought we traded two firsts, and two seconds for kessel?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
nope, just this years 2nd
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That deal gets better by the second!
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by 1967ers on Jun 28, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
keep talking
we’ll get it down to something reasonable.
personally, i thought it was for yanic perrault’s rights and a 4th rounder. in 2015
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it was Doug Shedden’s skate and a mothball from Ballard’s old closet.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 28, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
two firsts and a second
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bringing that up to date:
Tyler Seguin
Jared Knight
2011 First
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
where’d our 2011 one go?
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We got Dido, Stephanovich, and random others though.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
sure, why not.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
yeah
I’m pretty sure Cheechoo was included in the trade as a salary dump.
So Michalek, a 2nd and a salary dump.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Finger!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
this is true as well
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re pretty boned without Kovalchuk.
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but…but….but….BOBBY RYAN
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Quiet Higgins lover.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
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IS SHIT
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but he scored 800 goals once!
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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 28, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
to FIRST!
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That’s Edmonton. Worst team, first overall pick.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re taking this all pretty well.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Haggerty went from one of my favorite Bruins beat writers to least favorite entirely because of the last couple days of discussion about this.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine he had some sort of personal vendetta against Savard and all this is his way of gaining revenge.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s pretty much all I’m getting out of it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Good
I hope it works.
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Harrumph
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 29, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Post
And basically my thoughts too.
I don’t think either will happen but there are enough indicators to suggest it would. And if it can happen I think it has to happen.
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indeed
if Burke can do this, how amazed will everyone be? In two summers he’d’ve taken a joke of team and 1- beefed up the defense to a pretty strong core (at least on paper) and 2 – provided 3 elite offensive players.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If this happens, I might go for a complete jersey foul and buy a “Burke” jersey.
I obviously jest, but this guy would pretty much be a god.
I’m telling you. Get the letters. Sew them on the back of a suit-jacket.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even think that would be a sweater foul.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the number on it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
!!1
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you ready for Burkiasm
It would be awesome! And finally a religion with no problems with gay marriage!
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http://www.cuc.ca/
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He wins the Cup and I’ll be the chief priest.
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If the Bruins trade Savard because of $3MM (the difference between Savard’s cap hit and salary) they should hang Jacobs from the Prudential Tower.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
they should hang Jacobs from the Prudential Tower.
People have been saying this for years.
It’s basically a right of passage for Bruins fans.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They should anyway. But it’s not insignificant money. It’s almost $12M over four years. That’s a lot of dosh which is why Toronto is one of the teams that can do it and I don’t think Ottawa will be.
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Agree
And if it can happen I think it has to happen
I think that’s what it boils down to, well put.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I didn’t even read that block quote before posting mine below. Great minds…
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if it can happen I think it has to happen.
That’s the best way to put it.
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With reality out of the way though
My favourite part.
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reality and logic are so overrated.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
In terms of GM’s and Organizations needing to cover their asses (a fairly substantial reality in this), what’s Boston’s cover story? 1) We signed Savard to too much money, less than a year ago? i.e. We were buffoons. 2) With Seguin, we have too many centers. i.e. We traded Kessel for Seguin so that we could also give up Savard? 3) He got concussed, and is probably addled for life, so we dumped him. i.e. We didn’t protect or defend him, and now we’re gonna dump a guy who gave us a hometown discount, and let him go wander in circles in some distant Northern town?
For this to happen, I need to see a way that management looks good by doing this.
by not norm ullman on Jun 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
I think the second is the major one. They fleeced Toronto and got Seguin which helps them build a base long-term especially in light of Savard’s massive concussion.
Then, they say that it also allowed them to bring in Horton and balance the team so that cumulatively it makes them a better team overall.
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Yep, they could spin it that way – might work. I just think it’s gonna be a really thin line they have to walk. Somebody’s gonna say/write it was because of the concussion. And that whole episode had both “team of cowards” and “unfeeling management” pasted all over it. So any sense that Savard’s being dumped because of that injury will – in the eyes of a lot of people – make that organization look really really bad. And on the other hand, the idea of dumping him because he got too much money…. well, that doesn’t look real good either. I’d say Boston is walking into a fairly delicate zone here, in how they handle this.
by not norm ullman on Jun 28, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Reflecting on the Thornton trade has me thinking this may not be an issue.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Most Bruins fans hate Jacobs already, you are correct about that.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
so is it fair to say that you’d blame Jacobs for this move more than Chiarelli?
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If it happens my thought is they didn’t want to spend the extra 3 million.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I think that that is a huge consideration.
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I agree and it pisses me off.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
so why
do they build his contract like that? That’s ridiculous. The only way those back loaded deals make sense is if the team is willing to pay more up front. if not, there’s no advantage.
They should’ve signed him to $4M a year for 6 or 7 years or whatever it was.
If true, that’s not even a dick move — it’s an astoundingly reactionary way to run a franchise
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I have no idea
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams make millions per playoff game, right? So…
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but if you think you can keep your team at at least 4-6 home playoff games while saving $3M why not do it if you are a noted pennypincher?
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Yeah, but I haven’t had my dreams and hopes crushed in real time by Jacobs yet.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
But I find this confusing then – wouldn’t ownership have had to approve the new contract? And if they did and maybe approved it thinking it would improve their return for Savard, why give him the NTC?
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Because now they have an option to save that money while keeping the team almost as good (possibly better).
Rich people are rich because they are cheap.
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so he is only expendable because they drafted Seguin? In other words, had they drafted Hall, they would not be trading him?
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I wonder as well.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Additionally, the Fan Cost Index lists Boston as the THIRD MOST EXPENSIVE TICKET in the NHL, behind only Montreal and Toronto.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s surprising.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really. Boston’s a big sports town used to paying a lot to see teams live.
Red Sox tickets and Patriots tickets are impossible to get.
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If I were CH, I’d have to blame Chiarelli. Boston won the lottery (so to speak) getting Seguin in return for Kessel. If he moves Savard so that Seguin can slot in their top 2 lines, he’s basically letting all his winnings ride.
Put simply: If you walked into a casino, bet $1M on a single number at roulette, and won, would you immediately bet all $36M on the next spin? That’s what chiarelli is considering doing
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Either way they lose. They have, I think, decent hockey reasons for the move. But they are either unfeeling (concussion), disloyal (moving him after giving him that contract), or stupid (depending on the return).
Comes down to whether Chiarelli is confident that in the long-term it’s the right choice AND that he has the backing of ownership.
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PPP means that the Bruins look disloyal to their player, who just took a “hometown” discount for them.
i think you’re taking ‘hometown’ to literal.
he took a $1M paycut (as far as cap hit) to stay in boston cause he wanted to win THERE.
toronto is where he has a summer home…
by gnarlybattleship on Jun 28, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but its where his family is and was his favourite team growing up. I know I’m changing the meaning of the term “hometown” discount a bit, but you can’t say that the Bruins are disloyal if they trade him to the one place he would probably be just as happy in.
Problem with that theory is that the Bruins probably wouldn’t trade him anywhere in Ontario if the choice was up to them.
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Exactly, which is why the current possibility of him being sent here is not disloyal. They are being forced to not be jerks because of the NTC they gave him.
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trading him after signing him to a new deal a few months ago is disloyal regardless of where he’s being traded.
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I agree with this, I just think its a lot better of them if they trade him somewhere he would be happy to go. Its still technically disloyal, but maybe not as literally disloyal.
the thing is it’s not better of them…it’s not really them deciding to trade him where he wants to go, it’s him.
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But they gave him the NTC in the first place. I’m not trying to defend them or argue here, but when you consider Savard’s kids live here; I don’t know what father wouldn’t jump at the opportunity to spend more time with his kids.
i understand where you’re coming from for sure. just the idea of shipping a guy out a year after he signs a 7-year extension which the organization gave him a NTC seems kind of ‘disloyal’
particularly so after you factor in his near-season-ending (and 4th career) concussion.
by gnarlybattleship on Jun 28, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Options: 1) If Savard plays GREAT with Toronto, Boston could look really bad – esp. if Seguin doesn’t instantly set the world on fire. 2) If Savard plays poorly, or gets lightly hit and has to retire because of the concussion… then Toronto will be furious at having to pay. They have lots of ways of making themselves heard, and will NOT enjoy Boston hosing them. Again. So Boston WILL then be tagged as both callous, and… not a straight-up organization to deal with. 3) Meanwhile, the NHL as a whole will look appalling – Savard getting injured, then dealt on the sly, etc.
It just feels like ugly laundry on every side. (Though if Savard is ok, then damn straight, get him to Toronto with all available speed.)
by not norm ullman on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i choose to believe
that Marc Savard is an excellent hockey player, who will score an average of 80 points a year for the life of his contract, and Peter Chiarelli is an idiot.
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If he trades savard after signing him to the one good contract then yeah, I’ll agree with the idiot part.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovy-Savard-Kessel
I came.
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This is correct. Then we can run the 1-A, 1-B setup that Chicago had with Hossa on their second line. Either way, Kessel and Kovy are putting up 80 combines goals because you can’t shut them both down at the time time.
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If we add Savard and Kovalchuk we’re going to be laughing like maniacs for months.
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Holy shit, the point on the powerplay with Phaneuf-Kovalchuk? Savard feeding saucers and Phillip available at the half boards for rebounds and tap ins?
/SPLURT
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d put Kovalchuk on the left wing with Savard and Bozak for maximum one timing. Phaneuf and Beauchemin on the points.
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No more PP time for Phillip? He did stink on the PP this year though.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Having Kovi on the ice at the same time would mean he wouldn’t be double-teamed, and the goalie wouldn’t be expecting him to wire wristers from the half-boards.
but all Kessel ever does is wire wristers from the half-boards on the PP.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, he’s a transition shooter who scores mainly on the rush. Best to leave him for the very end of the PP to jump all over the other team during a change.
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If the other team gets possession and ices it, and they go for a large-scale change… Whoever is closest to the Leaf bench should change, Kessel should come on, and the goalie should wire an outlet pass up the far side of the ice.
Instant breakaway.
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the goalie should wire an outlet pass
Giguere, maybe, but Gustavsson is not allowed to play the puck yet. His puck handling skills are…lacking.
Oh God I hope Allaire spends all summer telling Gus not to ever handle the puck. Ever.
Or at least teach him how to do it probably. That was horrendous last year. I cringed every time.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Reminded me of CuJo. My mom would always say he should be chained to the crossbar
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by PPP on Jun 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Puck handling is the last skill to work on, especially in today’s NHL (with the trapezoid).
That said, there’s really something special when you watch Turco and Brodeur play like they’re another defenseman. Good goalies with good breakout passes can put one of the opposing forecheckers well behind the play.
Unless Brodeur tries to bat the puck out of the air, then gives it to the other team…a la Olympics.
by WendelMadeMe on Jun 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Best.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk would be duplicating the Stamkos Special. Hang out between the faceoff dot and the top of the circle, instant win.
Love that chart.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Leave Kovy on the right point.
He absolutely tore it the fuck up here in ATL when he was on the right point on the PP.
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I hated seeing Kovalchuk on the point. Have if float around the left dot/top of circle and be fed one-timers from down low on the right just like Stamkos in Tampa Bay.
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Doesn’t he just go back there for the second minute once he’s tired?
by The '67 Sound on Jun 28, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Worried about Savard's history of concussions?
This piece by Gare Joyce about Alyn McCauley is worth a read.
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Burke has the Marlies playing in the M11’s by Cascade. He better make Savard wear one too and glue in his mouthguard.
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I feel this is a legitimage fear.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Enjoy the ride.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah next week we’ll all be on here saying “Remember last week when we had such a great time talking about Kovalchuk and Savard… it’s too bad the Leafs just brought Gerald Diduck out of retirement”
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Better than 0 days!
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today
is definitely the best I’ve felt as a leaf fan, since probably the lockout.
that’s kind of depressing.
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by pevans on Jun 28, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
for once
we are sitting here discussing the All-star talents we are going to add to our other talented players to put them over the top.
As opposed to the last 4 years, much of which was spent deciding who’s turn it is to ring the doorbell on Vesa Toskala’s house and run away, or trying to convince Bryan McCabe to walk over a cattle grid wearing and extremely heavy hat.
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by pevans on Jun 28, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Must not have been here when the Kessel trade happened.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i was here
i liked it when it was Kaberle for Kessel.
I heard about the picks and was against it from the start. Now I’ve moved on.
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I don’t want to get my hopes up and go all crazy-like, but some combination of Kessel, Kovalchuck, might get our powerplay up to 25th in the NHL. Wait, is Acton still going to coach? Make it 27th.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
2011 notable UFAs:
Semin, Bergeron, Backes,
2012:
Hemsky, Umberger, Hagman, Penner
We’re not getting another shot to add elite talent.
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agreed.
and for anyone who thinks Semin is an elite talent…you’re wrong.
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Is this redundant?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
At the very least it’s difficult and sort of creepy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If we don’t grab Kovalchuk find something else to do for the next five years.
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Semin’s an elite talent.
In practice.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So he’s like Communism?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, what was the Commy practice facility? Some small village in Germany? Hunter-gatherer societies? Then yes.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess my point was that Semin works “in theory”.
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Yeah, I got that. Twisting the joke in a new direction, that’s what I do.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I’m a tomato now, but it’s cool. Gross mischaracterization, I’m used to it, especially with the greens.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He also scored 40 goals with Tomas Fleischmann (a winger), Brendan Morrison (who was a ghost after December), and Eric Belanger (a 3rd liner) as his centers, with limited TOI with AO/Backstrom. So he’s pretty good, and strong defensively (helps your PK and PP too). Not elite, but solid. And inconsistent.
Not inconsistently solid. Solidly inconsistent.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, he’s underrated, and I really really want a second line center who is comparable to Semin rather than Semin (since C is more important than W). I hadn’t realized that Sergei Fedorov was such a big upgrade over the guys I mentioned above.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s rated.
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Semin is fifth in QCOMP amongst Capitals forwards. Not sure if he can carry the load against first line shutdown defenders.
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That reflects who he was playing against—and seriously, if you send your shutdown against Semin instead of AO-Backstrom, you’re a dumb coach. I dunno how he’ll be in an extended 1W look, but he’s earned himself the chance. On another team.
(did I mention he did all this while playing his less-preferred side, RW instead of LW? ;) )
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
its not that the other line wasn’t more worthy of said defensive coverage, just that it is unknown how semin would react to the same scrutiny
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure he’s earned the chance. I wouldn’t trade assets and pay him a lot of money to find out what happens though.
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Yeah but that’s the point. On another team he doesn’t have that shielding.
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Someone hasn’t take a look at the 2014 class of UFAs!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
2010:
Kovalchuk
Lombardi.. maybe.
I don’t see the difference.
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Kovalchuk is elite talent. No one else listed is.
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If you go farther back, you’ll notice half the acquisitions of elite talent were trades for Chris Pronger, rather than signings.
As awesome as Kovy is, i don’t see him signing for a reasonable amount…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So if $7.5M is a steal we’re carrying $3.5M in dead weight in Jeff Finger. If we need a $7.5 (steal) + $1.5 (dead weight) = $9 for Kovalchuk is that the end of the world?
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PAY HIM WHATEVER THE HELL IT TAKES FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES, RENAME THE CITY AFTER HIM JUST DO IT!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This
If I’m Burke I tell Kovalchuk that if you sign here and win a cup, you’ll be a national hero and they’ll erect a statue of you infront of the ACC before you retire just like Michael Jordan….only bigger.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god I would name my first born Ilya.
Although i don’t plan on having kids, but that’s another story.
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If Jeff Finger is the only thing holding us back from signing him, I will kill him myself.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That's silly
We’d kill Jeff Finger.
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Whoops
That’s what I meant.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d accept 8 million, but more than that is probably pushing it.
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There’s a reason elite talent doesn’t go UFA.
Git ’er done, Burke.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 28, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
BINGO
Which despite all of the very intelligent reservations I was on board with the Kessel deal. That kind of talent doesn’t hit the free market no matter how much JFJ wished it would after the lockout.
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my fear is that other GMs realize this as well and push Burke.
If Burke remains true to his word of getting good as fast as possible, he has to sign Kovalchuk, whatever it takes. But he seems to have all these other ideals of contracts and term that seems to make that unlikely.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still hoping
That’s all misdirection.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I worked out the number of teams he could realistically go to that fit his rumored expectations (money and market). It’s basically us and LA. What’s more, it has been reported that the Leafs are “on his list.”
LA is being VERY aggressive, by reports, but I can’t help but think of Burke’s courtship of Gustavsson and Rynnas. If we sign Kovalchuk, I think Burke’s reputation as “a player’s GM” will have played a role.
i wonder if the “win a cup in toronto and become immortal” premise actually works on Russians?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not
But “We’ll give you any amount of money you want” does… I think..
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Why wouldn’t it work on Russians?
Kovy doesn’t just want money, or else he’d still be a Hawk.
He wants something more intangible.
The Leafs provide lots of those intangibles.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
woah
yeah no idea where that came from
I was channeling NBA!
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna go ahead and blame the Micheal Jordan reference.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Vince Carter?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
kaiser sose
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
a falcon even!
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Thornton?
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Brad Richards too.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Still pretty gosh darn good.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If you had the chance to get a guy like him, would you take it?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta think that’s the last year he gets that kinda cash.
Still worthy of a pretty good salary though (assuming he continues his pace)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk is 27 years old.
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ah
yes the age factor is significant, but perhaps should have been stated earlier.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And he completely takes over the game. His top goal scoring years may not have even hit him yet. He has been playing in fucking Atlanta after all…
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I think he works best in certain coaching styles though, he clearly did not fit into NJ’s system.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
People give him shit for NJ.. but he did have 27 points in 27 games…
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Not saying he didn't
I just don’t think he fit well in a team-first-minded system.
He’s a great individual talent, and thats how he rolls.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thornton?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
what about Thornton and Iginla? Not even worth mentioning because we wont get them?
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 28, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Age.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
71-81-91
could be our new first line. think about that for a minute…
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
Equals 101 points
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Just for the home opening faceoff to show teams that we can.
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That’s the right idea.. I just wanna see those guys line up for the anthem
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Exactly. And they could put Alka Seltzer in their mouth guards to add to the intimidation.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You know it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw Defence
Savard, Kovy, Kessel, Kadri, Kule-Aid all on one line
All the rest of the lines have to do is make sure the pucks don’t go into our net.
I would demand
Marc change his name to Mark just so we would have a K in his name.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm that’s suspect.
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but then the numbers don’t work.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not in Toronto he’s not. He went to 71 for Russia I believe so I can see it happening again.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t, why would he?
No one else on the team has the number, and I know we all love Wendel, but why in the world would he NOT take the number he’s played his whole NHL career with if no one else has it?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Because he respects the Leafs’ traditions and sees it’s honoured?
He could. Who does he lose 17 for on the Russian team?
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forget. maybe it was at an all-star game? it’s buried in my head somewhere.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re right on 71…does Morozov wear 17? Lemme check.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s retired number in russian national team i think
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Must be…no one wore 17
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean I get that he would understand traditions, I also think it’s a bit asinine to not retire numbers, but then not expect players to wear them.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
I don’t think it’s expected I think that players understand that ideally not just anyone would wear them.
Basically, I think that Kovy or his handlers are smart.
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- is retired for Valeri Kharlamov i think
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf it was supposed to be #17
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
auto-formatting
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Yea, gets annoying.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
there’ s a reason no one has worn it in almost a decade. i don’t know what exactly it is, but there’s a reason.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
we haven’t had anyone of the proper calibre who wanted to wear it.
However, we did let Matt Stajan wear #14, the same number as the last Leaf Conn Smythe winner.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It had been in circulation for years, though.
This is more like #27 coming out of the weeds. Whoever gets 17 better not be Miro Ihnacak-esque.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
hey, he could be the best #71 since Malkin!
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovy : hellos mr wendle man I is asking permissions to wears your number 17 for glorious Leaf nation
Wendel: no
Kovy: okie dokie comrade
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
27 being worn by Corson?
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
once in a while against weak defending teams we can
To be that close and miss it by "that" much every time.... it must be daunting on you :(
by KesseltheVessel on Jun 28, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
ya a showcase
To be that close and miss it by "that" much every time.... it must be daunting on you :(
by KesseltheVessel on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
been following the blog for some time now. glad to be aboard
To be that close and miss it by "that" much every time.... it must be daunting on you :(
by KesseltheVessel on Jun 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome
Thanks for joining.
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I have a really hard time
grasping where the 244 goals for is coming from. In Savard’s best season with Kovalchuk and Hossa, the Thrashers produced 281 goals for. They Slava Kozlov and Peter Bondra providing secondary scoring though, while Bobby Holik and Scott Mellanby played a tertiary role. I really don’t think that high of a number makes any sense with respect to next year’s younger Leafs.
Over the past few years, the Bruins have produced 212, 274, and 206 goals respectively. in the 274 goal season, you had Krejci, Kessel, Ryder, Wheeler, Kobasew, and Savard all post over 20 goals, while Chara had 19, Lucic had 17, and Wideman had 13. Patrice Bergeron had an off year, but the depth on that squad again far outstrips the Leafs of next year even with Kovalchuk, Kessel, and Savard… especially if you’re taking away Stalberg or Kulemin.
I just don’t think 244 is realistic.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
If you add Kovalchuk
with 50, Kessel with 45, Savard with 20, Bozak with 25, Kulemin with 25, Kadri with 15… you’re at 180… the rest of the team would have to provide another 64 goals.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf will get around 15.
49
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Yeah I agree with that
What did the rest of the forward corps provide last year?
and who are we dealing to get Savard?
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
From all accounts it sounds like they want ELC’s back in return
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jun 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so
Mitchell = 6, Schenn = 5, Beauchemin = 2, Gunnarsson = 3, Hanson = 2, Caputi = 2, Sjostrom = 3, Orr = 2, Lundmark = 1, Rosehill = 1…. that adds up to all of 27 goals… we’re still 22 short… and there isn’t a lot of room left.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I know some players get larger roles
but that’s where I inflated Bozak, Kadri, and Kulemin’s numbers… put in Stalberg if you like… I’m still not getting 244 goals.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Be MORE optimistic.
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Gunnarsson scored 3 goals in half a season. Steve has him down for 2 next year.
Beauchemin scored 5. Steve has him down for 2.
Caputi scored 1 goal in 19 games. Steve has him down for 2.
I could keep going.
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Didominico makes the team of camp and him and Kadri dual for the Calder scoring 20 goals each
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
woops sorry
Beauchemin should have been down for 5… that was a typo… I’m multi tasking… I also was referencing LAST season…
either way… I don’t think DOUBLING all of their production makes a lot of sense.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
I don’t think Lundmark or Rosehill are with the team much next year… or Mitchell… so there goes 8 of those goals.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re still arguing a relatively unimportant point; call it 220 goals the Leafs are still going to the playoffs.
Personally I think Bozak and Kulemin would look pretty good against softer QCOMP.
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All I'm saying is
I’d assume something closer to a 95 point season like I described yesterday… 230 goals is more reasonable to me.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I'll agree with you on that
I think they can make the playoffs easily if they add Kovalchuk AND Savard…
I don’t think it’ll happen… but we’ll see.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
on that note...
back to work.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m more concerned with the goals against frankly
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
HELLO!
GRABOVSKI = 15-20!!!1
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we were trading him for savard?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
WTF? Since when?
prospects for Savard, Grabs stays right the fuck here.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
colt 84 stays!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you might be on to something…
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thaaaaat’s better.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Kulemin = 35 goals judging by the way most of you worship him.
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and lead league in hits, and 50 assists
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
He’s got at least that many in him!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’re telling me Kulemin is as good a scorer as Kessel?
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doy!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I though his much was obvious.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, you’re a funny guy
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
I try
I love Kule-Aid and everything but I have no illusions as to what his ceiling is.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I do. His ceiling is high. His immediate ceiling is not 35 but it sure could happen in a few years.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 28, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
new guy to PPP
Great discussion. just wondering tho? am i getting excited about Kovalchuk for nothing?
To be that close and miss it by "that" much every time.... it must be daunting on you :(
by KesseltheVessel on Jun 28, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
Probably.
But weirder things have happened
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
am i getting excited about Kovalchuk for nothing?
Probably. Who cares!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely
But there are at least 3 more days of dreaming left. Might as well enjoy them.
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I'm probably going to write a posting
about players that I think make sense for the Leafs to pursue… it might be very very very short though.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember to save it as a draft and e-mail me to let me know it’s set.
Looking forward to it.
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I will remember
I also need to write my thing for Alec for the annual… no time no time no time…. end of the year, start of summer school, wedding… too much stuff to do.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Your sig really needs to be
I like to get banged
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Done and done.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jun 28, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re welcome.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you’re a busy beaver. Ummmm just give the kids a good summer school grade. Ignore the work.
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But there are at least 3 more days of dreaming left. Might as well enjoy them
You’re on today.
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What are the chances that Brian Burke reads this whole thread?
Kovalchuk would be a Leaf no doubt.
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BB
wasn’t happy there was a twitter account named after him. I doubt he reads Pensionplanpuppet.com
Doesn’t mean some one in his office doesn’t though!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
not if kovy reads the part about wendel killing him…
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if he can’t get used to that, don’t bother coming to toronto.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m just saying he might doesn’t like the idea to leave his 3+ kids to grow up without dad…
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И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
this is just a reality of leafland.
Respect! In the name of Wendel!
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
fine…
kovy to khl so i can enjoy his play too!
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why do you hate us?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
kovy to khl so i can enjoy his play too!
i don’t hate you. i like you. but try to live in place where you can’t watch your favourite players to play because the games are at middle of the night! khl is my only chance.. that or moving to canada
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
that or moving to canada
now you’re on the trolly
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
unless russia attacks here and i can apply for refugee status, the khl option is – while not likely – but still more likely to happen…
Мы в любовь играли,
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not with that attitude it wont
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i believe your universities requires that their students speak proper english so…
and watching morozov and feds keeps the pain in control
Мы в любовь играли,
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having been enrolled in two of our fine post secondary education facilities, i can assure you, engish is not a requirement as much as it is a bonus
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
living in Toronto I can assure you English is certainly not a requirement. More than half our population was not born in Canada.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 28, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
not at all surprised.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
but coming from a country with major issues would be helpful, no?
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Meh, I work for an Immigration Consultant, he got a positive decision on a Slovenian a few weeks ago (probably the most stable part of the Balkans by a lot)
Basically you use the 2 or 3 years it takes to get a negative decision to establish yourself, and then just apply for residency based on Humanitarian and Compassionate grounds (i.e., you are an important member of the community).
The whole system really angers me as a Canadian taxpayer, actually.
this is CC talk.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
your face is CC talk
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t play me like that, girl.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it was mostly a joke :)
i know it won’t happen
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
i know, just messing with you.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear Brian Burke or other MLSE employee
If you are reading this, for the love of Wendel please sign Ilya Kovalchuk. You’d be retarded to do anything else. We love you.
Signed,
Everyone
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by SkinnyFish on Jun 28, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd
thanks for being you.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
My Savalchuk #97 Leafs 3rd is on order, this had better happen
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
That’s a horrendous and beautiful jersey foul.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalvard?
11?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovaltard?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
isn’t that international short version of kovalev + retard
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 28, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Savarsemin!!!
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone else seen tsn
They are saying that Burke said he is not looking at Savard:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=325972
Of course he never shows his cards…
Did Burke say anything about Phaneuf or Giguere? Mike Brown? We’ll never know details until he’s already made the deal.
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Thats why i ended it on 'of course he never shows his cards'
I don’t trust this, was more just bringing it up.
if he’s that into Ribeiro, my guess is angel dust
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that’s what I was thinking too.. If he’s already set on Ribeiro he might just stay away from Boston
Then again, the trade price might be so low for Savard he’ll have to lean that way…
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point in favour of my theory…
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I will still come here to annoy you.
BTW, you have terrible taste in hockey players.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
You really haven’t listened to anything I’ve said about Ribeiro, have you?
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
people say Ribeiro and I go into a blind rage.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
noted
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i kinda hate Ribeiro too.. ever since he was a Hab.. but he is younger and isn’t locked in as long. And of course he has cool shootout moves… the calling card of any franchise cornerstone
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Why would ANYONE dislike Mike Ribeiro?
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by 1967ers on Jun 28, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahw, he is sweepy!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re awesome.
Because some player nicknames just make sense.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wait
he wears 71?
I guess Kovalchuk will have to find another number.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t start with me. ;)
Because some player nicknames just make sense.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
khl… where he can wear #17 :P
/ i swear i’ll stop this
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if i was him i’d go for that reason alone. ;)
forget the bazillion dollar contract offer.
Because some player nicknames just make sense.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I really want to know what the “joke” of an offer was
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I hope the joke
was Mike Ribiero.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
mike ribiero is a joke
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Every time you say this, my rebellious nature makes me hope we get him more.
But this is because my rebellious nature can be stronger than my ability to think rationally, at times.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
/pokes with stick
/necessary bow chicka wow wow
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk is a big dude.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jun 28, 2010 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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I find the whole Marc Savard thing fishy. There is a lot of buzz that must be coming from press leaks. It has too much traction for an idle rumour — obviously. I am pretty sure that these leaks are coming from the Savard camp and/or the Bruins. Read between the lines: Savard is available for nothing, or next to it. Forget Kulemin, forget Kaberle, I think we are talking about a conditional 12th round choice in 2014. For anyone who thinks they have to pay anything substantial for this contract, including most of our friends from the fifth estate, please contact me about a good deal I have on a bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn. So forget those dupes. And Burke is too smart to get fleeced twice. The real question is why?
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by Shield on Jun 28, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess most people would be concerned about his injury history. But if that were the case, couldn’t Boston put him on LTIR and move on?
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
Plonk
Yes, the potential long-term consequences of the injury, but also the age of the player, the size of the contract and the arrival of Taylor S. Add to this the absence of potential trading partners = a new phenomenon – "salary plonking" through the media. Look at the buzz its creating here. Good thing Burke has such thick skin. Or does he?
by Raja Pakkomielle on Jun 28, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
the why
is what i cant figure out. because you’re right, from a hockey perspective, $4M for what Savard brings on the ice is a stupendobargain
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except that his salary is 17 million
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except
for what he gives on the ice, $17 million is perfectly reasonable.
If you don’t like it, don’t own a hockey team. Bruins fans will not go down that road again.
Marc Savard would be the most ill-advised salary dump ever.
“oh crap we have a lot of overpaid serviceable guys…let’s trade a guy who’s actually underpaid to make up for it”
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Sigh…
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't figure it out either
The B’s just traded Sabotka away (the 4th line C) so, now if Tyler S makes the team out of camp, which he should, then at least there’s not diddling with where to play Tyler S. (Heh, heh…he said “diddling”). Savard is a bargain, to me for the things he can do, if the B’s only had a line up that wanted to stick up for the guy…..
Which B's team is this?
If Seguin is going on the 4th line I’d rather he play in the OHL for another year.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No way he plays on the 4th line.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Very good post. Love the sabermetrics. Though, I think Kovalchuk centered by Savard is really more than 25 goals better than the guys (Hagman, Blake) we had on LW last year.
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yeah, but
he used his real name.
EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS
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He might be an MSM reporter!
Except he likes advanced stats so he’s either not part of the MSM or Mirtle forgot his login.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I started with my real name as my user name.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooke Shields?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Max Power?
Because some player nicknames just make sense.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
captain power and the soldiers of the future?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome
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I'm not sure how...
Since Hagman and Blake combined for 30 goals in 56 games… Kovalchuk had 33 in his first 56 games… that’s 3 goals better over more than half the season… Even if you add Savard to the mix he might add another 2 or 3 goals over that stretch… I don’t see how he suddenly produces an extra 25 goals.
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by Steve Burtch on Jun 28, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting piece from Kings perspective
http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2010/6/27/1540462/can-you-afford-kovalchuk
What’s funny is of the 13 teams with cap space to sign Kovalchuk, you have 11 teams with internal cap issues, plus LAK and NJD.
Also interesting that the Leafs are listed as a “no way in hell team”, because they have Kabs and Finger on our cap. I wonder what other teams could jump in the running by trading/waiving.
They have their capspace numbers wrong.
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i think informing them and having them worry would be funnier
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather wait till Wednesday night, then send them an email letting them know thei numbers were wrong, and we’re definitely in the mix.
Then watch them freak out knowing there’s no time for them to adjust their expectations.
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i like it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Just so you know
I don’t think Kings fans as a whole are unanimously in favor of signing Kovalchuk. If you look at the posts on our site, you’ll see that, I (at least) am on the fence and certainly am not in favor of signing Kovalchuk if we’re talking about more than, say, $8MM cap hit.
Also, the article to which you’ve linked shows that the Kings are in fact not even close to being in the best position cap-wise. This was part of the point. To burst that bubble.
There are of course Kings fans who are salivating for Kovalchuk, as there were for Heatley, and Hossa, and whoever else.
As far as “expectations,” I don’t have any, other than Lombardi will sign someone or two someones, and generally he does something I don’t expect or hadn’t considered. I will be perfectly happy with no Kovalchuk. I would rather have Volchenkov and a nice affordable $4-5MM second line LW.
Wait till this year.
Frolov is most likley a goner though eh?
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 28, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I am one of the few Kings fans that is/was in favor of re-signing Frolov.
Frolov has always (to my ears) been pretty consistently excited about playing in LA, even though the team has mostly sucked. He’s a much more important player to the Kings, and even to the team defensive system, than most people are willing to give him credit for. I’m pissed he didn’t score 35-40 goals last year like I thought he would. But I would be happy if he would sign for $4MM for three years. I also don’t think he’s necessarily going to follow the money wherever it leads.
I have always really liked him. But there is not one whiff of expectation anywhere in Kings-land that he will return.
Wait till this year.
the numbers are from cap geek, as of last night, as are everyone else's
in toronto’s case, I added the default minimum $2MM total for RFAs, which is as low as I could imagine the figure being. but that’s in a separate column from the unadorned cap totals.
also, clearly numerous teams have “internal cap issues,” but the point of the exercise was to see who had the cap space. Deciding who will or won’t spend to the upper limit is not something I’m qualified to do. I can pretend to know, but that’s useless.
Aside from the fact that Burke said he wasn’t interested, clearly the leafs can make room and sign Kovalchuk, or sign Kovalchuk and make room. If I said “no way in hell” (I don’t think I did) what I meant was “as it stands right now, they can’t do it.”
I will update after the waiving, buying out and trading, as soon as those transactions occur.
Wait till this year.
burke never said he wasnt interested in kovy, just that he wasnt interested in an arms race for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine burke has a contract on the table as a take-it-or-leave-it. 6-8,5 yr or something along those lines.
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my guess is there is an initial offer of say 7 for 4 or whatever and then a counter for 7.5 for 6 or something
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he has a proverbial “line in the sand.” One lowball offer, one right at that line. Kovalchuk balks at the second one, then Burke will tell him to play in LA.
I expect that Lombardi has exactly the same line in the sand
He (Lombardi) has a number in his head, and he won’t go over that number. If I had to guess, I would say it’s $7.75MM, maybe a little lower.
Wait till this year.
then you’re not getting kovalchuk
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And that would be fine with me.
I have no special love of Kovalchuk. Like I said, Volchenkov and a top six LW.
Wait till this year.
But who is that LW? I think you guys lost to VAN more because of a lack of firepower than defensive miscues.
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we lost to VAN because
1) shitty 5-on-5 production
2) Quick played great until the Olympic break and then was spotty.
3) Handzus celebrated before the puck went over the line in OT in game one.
4) We let them off the hook in game four, when we had them dead to rights in the third period and would have been up 3-1.
5) rookie nerves.
PPP: I don’t know who it is, that LW. I was hoping for Marleau, frankly. And I think there’s a possibility that Lombardi swings a trade, for example Williams and Stoll for the mythical LW TBD.
Wait till this year.
Someone who can score a lot at even strength.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m guessing 7-8 for Burke as well. The big question mark, in my mind, revolves around how flexible Kovalchuk is with the structure of the contract (is he okay with trailing years to bring down the cap hit?).
why would it matter to him? If he ends up with $100 million (or whatever) at the end of the day, wouldnt he want his team to flexible with the cap so they can sign other good players?
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 28, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he may not want to be playing for league min if he thinks he’ll still be a 2-mil player at age 38. It’s not about what he’ll likely be, it’s about what he thinks he’ll be.
i guess…. i always thought about it as if he was making up that difference with the frontloaded contract though. Overpay at the beginning and sort of ‘return the favour’ at the end to help lower the cap hit. I guess that isnt always how the athlete feels about it though.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't imagine they care about details
Agent:
Umm, we’ve received an offer, but you may be earning various amounts as the years wind down.
Player:
$100m for 10 years? Sure. Just tell me what day of the year I need to clear my driveway for the dumptruck full of money.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jun 28, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
thats pretty much how i view it. If Kovy makes 9-10 mil a season for the prime of his career and in the end makes a litlle to alot less, but still ends up rich as fuck, why would it matter to him. He still got his money.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 28, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
More like:
“It’s $100M over ten years but to make our cap situation and risk lower we’re going to give you $90M in the first three. Ok?”
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk probably wants a front loaded contract to get his money now.
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in that case lets offer him a 10 year contract where he makes 20 mill the first season
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t doubt that he wants a front loaded contract. The question is: how many years will he let you tack on for “cap management” wages? 3 years at league min? 3 years at 5M? I don’t know if he’s looking for 15 years or 8 .
I wonder if the ever-increasing escrow will ever become a deterrent to a front-loaded contract?
If players think escrow will decrease in the years ahead, they’d be better off spreading out their deal in more even annual payments.
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This makes a lot of sense.
14 million this and next year.
7 million years 3 and 4.
4.66 million years 5, 6, and 7.
Cap hit of 8 million.
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is that even legal? Isn’t there a max ACTUAL SALARY, like 10mil or something?
If not, DO THAT S**T RIGHT THE F**K NOW
I think the maximum allowable yearly salary is 20% of the team’s cap hit.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 28, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the maximum yearly cap hit is 20% but there is no cap on yearly salary. However, there are rules on how the yearly salary can decrease.
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actually, the limit is on salary
specifically, no player can get paid more than 20% of the upper limit (cap ceiling) in any year of an SPC. for the purposes of the 20% calculation, the cap ceiling for the year the SPC was signed is used.
for example, this year the upper limit is $59.4MM. So no player can get more than $11.8MM in any year of an SPC signed this season. Obviously, this means you can’t sign a 5 year / $60MM deal. But it also means you can’t sign a 10 year / $60MM deal where the cap hit is only $6MM but the salary breakdown is 12, 11, 10, 9, 6, 5, 3, 2, 1, 1. Because the year of 12 is higher than 20% of the upper limit the year the deal was signed.
Wait till this year.
Perfect
Thanks for the correction.
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I almost didn't say anything out of respect for your sublime greatness
not to mention Calvin.
Wait till this year.
I understand, and this is why I didn't get into the whole "but toronto isn't in the market" thing
or “the avs aren’t spending” or whatever. I think we all have to take those sorts of assertions with a grain of salt. Whereas, the numbers are the numbers.
Wait till this year.
the Leafs are getting savard for nothing though and kovalchuck will want to play wiht him again and become the king of toronto and wear a crown made of frankincense
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t intended as a criticism. Just meant that if we can waive our way out of cap hell, presumably others can too.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 28, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, so many haters gunna flip when they see that
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 28, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Pass along the link when you’ve updated it.
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=532306
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That’s the poll not the Quisp post.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re at 1500 comments today and nothing has happened. I think we may crash sbnation July 1 regardless of whether Burke does anything or not.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 28, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have a plan going into action for just such an occurrence. You’ll see.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
It’s going to be like the Haiti fundraising. New threads every 15 minutes.
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Actually the draft was really well done—new threads for every pick, plus general ones turned over regularly.
What is membership today vs. one year ago?
by The '67 Sound on Jun 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
up
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what we’ll try to do July 1 as well.
Last year at 12:01am July 1 we had 567 members.
Right now there are 1812. That inclus obviously, some trolls and spam accounts.
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God have mercy on the 1967th member.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be appropriate.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot to mention that the idea came from Silver Seven Sens.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling we’re more likely to crash SBN if Burke doesn’t do anything…
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Prove it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you guys get so many comments???
I can’t imagine what PPP was like before Chatty Cathys. Well, anarchy I guess. Fanarchy. That doesn’t sound nice.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We are the largest hockey fanbase in the world, and this is the best place we have for this kind of discourse.
I checked JR vs PPP on one of those traffic comparing websites (not sure how recent data is, though it did use the SBN domain) and JR had almost three times as many unique visitors per month. Yet you probably get more comments daily than the rest of SBN hockey combined. I opened this page after less than an hour and I found 237 new comments.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Japer’s doesn’t have JaredfromLondon, who posts comments 24/7
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Right, he posts 4x as frequently as our most frequent commenter, and I know PPP does a lot to.
And I think you guys have lives too. All the more insane.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m at work right now!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
SHHHH
don’t tell him our secret weapons!
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
God help me if they ever block this site.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JR is the biggest SBN hockey site by quite a bit.
He e-mailed me once that we both combined, one month, for like 10% of SBN hockey’s traffic.
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If Burke signs Kovalchuk and grabs Savard I like our chances at being #1.
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and we’re a LAST place team.
can you imagine this place when we’re good?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
I dread it.
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It keeps me up at night with excitement.
Seriously I actually had trouble falling asleep last night.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Simple formula
- it is easy to comment here
- we have a big fanbase to begin with
- people aren’t jerks here
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4. people want to talk to Chemmy
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 28, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m here for the babes
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
So is SkinnyFish
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skinnyfish is one of the babes i was talking about
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
too bad for you that he’s now taken
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by Karina on Jun 28, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a list of 5 that Jared could go on…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
4. we've retired everything above 5
thus we need to use numbers like 3 1/3, π, etc.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jun 28, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
3. Speak for yourself. There’s me. And Jared.
by not norm ullman on Jun 28, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a jerk, I am outspoken and lack tact
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant the OTHER Jared from London. He’s outspoken, lacks tact, and is a shit speller.
by not norm ullman on Jun 28, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that guy sucks
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
I can’t even imagine what it will be like if something actually happens
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jun 28, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Savard rumors were a plant by Chiarelli to try and pressure Burke into taking him and giving the B’s some cap space. Think about how much conversation the Savard stuff has generated in Leaf Land. My guess is Burke is would do Kaberle to Boston for Bergeron and a prospect and is telling Chiarelli that is the only way the Leafs will give Boston some cap relief. Bergeron and Kabs have similar cap numbers and he is hard working/hard nosed guy who can score, play PP and PK and win big faceoffs.
by billbarilkodisappeared on Jun 28, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
I can't see a trade within the division involving this kind of quality of player.
just sayin’
Which B's team is this?
Again
Because it’s happened already. Twice.
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…and maybe [Savard] puts the Bruins in a terrible spot and does something like: TOR (ruin Boston’s 1st), CHI (cap trouble), SJ (Already have Thornton), PIT (Crosby, Malkin, StaalCooke), NSH (internal budget).
Fixed.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jun 28, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, that Aaron Ward, went down awfully fast
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
May I just say
I think there are more comments on this post than there have ever been visits on the Kings site this entire year. I have to go take a nap.
Wait till this year.
by Quisp on Jun 28, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kind of weird…once I linked someone to a post with ~150 comments and he said “that’s a long discussion.” I didn’t say anything back.
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by red army line on Jun 28, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yes sir.
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by Matt_Roberts on Jun 28, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks dickweed!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jun 28, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If this has been brought up, sorry; but I'm not reading through almost 1000 comments
A Kaberle for Savard trade (not necessarily 1-for-1) would be ideal for Boston. Yes, it wouldn’t help out their cap situation, but it would allow for them to re-allocate the cap money towards D, where it is currently needed.
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I wouldn’t trade Kaberle 1 for 1 for Savard.
Not because Savard may not be worth it next year, but because he may not be worth it the year after that and after that and etc.
Also, the argument ‘he has gotten 80 or so points every year for the last 5 years’ doesn’t wash.
27-32 is pretty much the peak of most forwards’ primes. I doubt he will be getting over 70 points 3 years from now.
And that’s without rolling the dice on a career-ending concussion.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jun 28, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
I’m really on board with bringing Savard in – if he pans out and the deal goes down with Boston getting not a lot back, as it’s believed to, we’ve stolen a top-six guy for barely pennies on the dollar, away from a divisional rival that also holds our first-round pick. And what’s the downside? He gets hurt? He goes on LTIR. He doesn’t perform? Big deal, we gave up barely anything for him.
However, bearing in mind what kind of price Ballard commanded, we can do better than Savard and if Kaberle does go we have to hit a homer with the deal because Kabs is basically our only chip.
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While the Leafs offered Kulemin his QO, their trying hard to sign him to a long term deal. The buzz is he’s asking for north of 3M per.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 28, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If Burke can get rid of Kaberle, Finger and Grabovski through trading for Savard, prospects and draft picks, not all in the same trade of course, that gives us the cap room to bring in Kovalchuck. If Kulemin comes back at a conservatively guesstimated 2.5 mil per season, Hanson returns at 1.25 and Exelby returns at 1.55, with Hanson’s and Exelby’s salaries each given a slight raise over last year, that still gives us over 10 mil to sign Kovalchuck with. Assuming we spend a more sane 9.25 mil per year on Kovalchuck the lineup looks something like this (all figures courtesy of CapGeek.com):
FORWARDS
Ilya Kovalchuk ($9.250m) / Mark Savard ($4.007m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Tyler Bozak ($3.725m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.500m)
Christian Hanson ($1.250m) / Colton Orr ($1.000m) / Brayden Irwin ($0.900m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Luca Caputi ($0.833m) / Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Mike Komisarek ($4.500m)
Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m) / Luke Schenn ($2.975m)
Garnet Exelby ($1.550m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($0.800m)
Keith Aulie ($0.733m) / * Phil Oreskovic ($0.508m)
GOALTENDERS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($6.000m) / Jonas Gustavsson ($1.350m)
This gives the team a total payroll of 61.902 mil and cap room totaling 1.953 mil after you factor in the bonus cushion, which is in effect this coming season. This means you could potentially even resign Kulemin for his requested 3 mil, even though I agree that he’s not worth that much.
Some changes I'd make to this
1 – There is never a good reason to have Brayden Irwin in your lineup.
2 – Christian Hanson will likely not receive 1.25M, especially if he’s not arb eligible.
3 – Dear God why in heaven did you bring back Exelby??? -2 points for this
4 – Oreskovic was not qualified, he will go UFA on July 1 – and I’d argue that Holzer is likely to be brought up as a depth defensement if need be – but I’d rather gamble on Van Ryn!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
FIXED - but replace Kadri, Aulie, MVR with (currently unknown) UFA signings preferably
Also, Kulemin, MVR, Kovalchuk, and Hanson cap hits are attempts at being conservative.
2010-11 TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.000m) / * Marc Savard ($4.007m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($3.000m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($2.900m)
Christian Hanson ($1.000m) / Tyler Bozak ($3.725m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Colton Orr ($1.000m) / Mike Brown ($0.537m) / Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.750m)
Luca Caputi ($0.833m)
DEFENSEMEN
Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m)
Mike Van Ryn ($1.500m) / Mike Komisarek ($4.500m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($0.800m) / Luke Schenn ($2.975m)
Keith Aulie ($0.733m) / Korbinian Holzer ($0.595m)
GOALTENDERS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($6.000m) / Jonas Gustavsson ($1.350m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $63.476m; CAP ROOM: $0.379m BONUSES: $6.475m
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 29, 2010 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s no way that the the Leafs get Kovalchuk for 8 mil per season. To get him in the blue and white will cost at minimum 8.5 mil annually, hence my fairly large guess of 9.25. The newly created cap problem is fixed by the fact that Grabovski is probably dealt in the off season to get the cap room needed to bring in Kovalchuck and Savard.
Probably more Realistic
Kovalchuk signs at a conservative 8.5 but the Leafs need to give up Grabvoski to get Savard. The UFA Defenseman is obviously a defenseman that we’d pick up for less than MVR demands.
2010-11 TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
- Ilya Kovalchuk ($8.500m) / * Marc Savard ($4.007m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
- Nikolai Kulemin ($3.000m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m) / Brayden Irwin ($0.900m)
- Christian Hanson ($1.000m) / Tyler Bozak ($3.725m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m)
Colton Orr ($1.000m) / Mike Brown ($0.537m) / Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.750m)
Luca Caputi ($0.833m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m)
Mike Komisarek ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($2.975m) - UFA Defenceman ($1.250m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($0.800m)
Keith Aulie ($0.733m) / Korbinian Holzer ($0.595m)
GOALTENDERS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($6.000m) / Jonas Gustavsson ($1.350m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $61.726m; CAP ROOM: $2.129m BONUSES: $6.475m
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