What Should Brian Burke Do (Part III)?
Editor's Note: Here is the third part of The '67 Sound's analysis of what moves Brian Burke should make beginning tomorrow. Part I looked at the basis on which he was evaluating the Leafs' roster, part II he looked at the current, established NHLers on the roster, and in part three...well, read on.
In Part II I looked at what we have in the Leafs current roster of "established" NHL players, to determine what holes remained. My conclusion was that we are set for defencemen, but have significant holes up front. So far, no stunning revelations. In this part I make the argument for putting Stalberg, Caputi, Hanson and possibly Kadri on the team, minimizing our needs in free agency.
Here are the stats on Leafs forwards who appeared for the Leafs last year and remain under contract, plus Mike Brown:
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Player |
GVT/82 |
TOI |
PPG |
Fit |
|
1.0 |
14:37 |
0.35 |
3rd line |
|
|
2.2 |
14:38 |
0.35 |
3rd line |
|
|
-1.1 |
6:14 |
0.13 |
AHL |
|
|
-1.3 |
13:22 |
0.23 |
4th line |
|
|
n/a |
17:26 |
0.48* |
2nd line |
|
|
Mike Brown |
-1.1 |
8:21 |
0.09 |
13th man |
A few explanations are in order. For Kadri, I have used Gabe Desjardins' "NHL equivalency" tool, which estimates that CHL points translate to NHL points at 1 : 0.29. Therefore Kadri's 1.66 ppg becomes 0.48. I have also shown some leeway with Caputi, Stalberg and Hanson in projecting their fit, assuming some level of improvement given their age. It is also noteworthy that based on AHL stats, their NHL equivalency numbers are 0.38 ppg (Caputi), 0.37 ppg (Stalberg) and 0.36 (Hanson). With the exception of the snakebitten Hanson (4.4% shooting percentage), these line up well with their NHL numbers.
Based on these statistics, I would argue that all but Rosehill and maybe Brown belong with the Leafs next year. You could certainly argue that they are all marginal in their projected roles at best, and you would be right. However, they have two things going for them: youth, and price. It is unlikely that the Leafs can obtain better value production on the UFA market, and with the exception of Brown they are likely to improve given that they are all under 25 and coming off rookie seasons.
One concern with this plan is that Kadri, Stalberg, Caputi and Hanson might benefit from seasoning in the AHL. This is a valid concern, and one for which I do not think there is a clear answer. However, I thought it would be interesting to look at the backgrounds of players who averaged 0.65 to 0.75 ppg this year to see when they made the NHL. These are not stars, but marginal 1st line/2nd line players, and hopefully their history will tell us when someone with that skill set is ready for the NHL. I don't think any of us in our wildest dreams think Caputi, Stalberg or particularly Hanson will exceed these levels, and I for one would be happy with Kadri being a consistent 0.75 ppg guy. Out of 24 players who produced at that rate last year, here are the stats on when they became NHL regulars, when they had their first 50 point season, and what they did before reaching the NHL, broken out by where they came from.
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Promoted From |
PPG before Promotion |
NHL Regular at Age |
First 50 point season |
|
CHL (7 players) |
1.45 |
19.3 |
23.3 |
|
Foreign elite (6) |
0.74 |
20.8 |
23.5 |
|
AHL (11) |
0.87 |
22.8 |
25.4 |
Kadri did better than the average CHL graduate and will be older than the average of what we hope will be his peers. Caputi, Stalberg and Hanson all were close to the AHL 0.87 ppg "promotion level" average, and only Caputi is younger than the 22.8 average age.
All of this is of course subject to what they do in camp. We do not want players who are clearly not ready playing for the Leafs. However, from what I saw last year each of Stalberg, Caputi and Hanson are ready to "sink or swim" this year, and based on last year's training camp I expect Kadri to earn it this year.
I should also make clear that my analysis is not suggesting that all four will become 0.65-0.75 ppg scorers. It is suggesting that they are not being promoted noticeably faster than players with comparable stats and ages who went on to be successful. This gives some comfort that promoting them this year will not be hindering their development. If they do not pan out, it will probably be because they are not good enough.
Two final arguments in favour of promotion. First, they have a combined cap hit of $4MM. I do not how we could duplicate their production for less. On the contrary, we would likely need to sign mediocre UFAs to multi-year deals at $2MM apiece or more to replace all four, which is the last thing a young, improving team like the Leafs needs.
Combined with the "established" veterans, we now have a Top 6 of Kessel, Bozak, Kulemin, Grabovski and Kadri; and a Bottom 6 of Stalberg, Caputi, Sjostrom, Hanson and Orr. We need one more of each.
The easiest, and safest, solution is to slot in "whoever we get for Kaberle" in the Top 6, and re-sign Mitchell at less than $1MM for the bottom six. However, this leaves a decidedly uninspiring roster filled with players who are largely playing at a level that their skill does not warrant. We do not have any sure-fire prospects in the system and given Burke's stated desire for a rapid turnaround, an upgrade is called for. The question is where.
In Part IV, I will argue in favour of signing Kovalchuk or trading (within reason) for Savard, and against signing any other prominent UFAs.
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Is Rosehill in the AHL based on age? Because it seems like his stats are pretty much the same as Brown’s.
I have to say this all seems very reasonable and it is probably the way it will pan out. We did well with those kids at the end of the year.
My questions would be, what about the goalies and where in the standings does such a line-up project us to be? I know Chemmy did some analysis that said 102pts with Kovalchuk, Savard and .913 goal-tending. What is your projection?
by Leaf in Habland on Jun 30, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I put Brown over Rosehill just because Burke seems so high on him. I’m not fond of either, except for their salaries I guess.
I have an analysis along those lines in part IV. Basically if the goaltending gets fixed I could see us as a bubble team with the existing roster, and with Kovalchuk a mid-pack playoff team. Kovalchuk and Savard? Watch out.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 30, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke said explicitly that Mike Brown was not brought to play in the AHL. He will be in the NHL next year.
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Did Burke draft him? Or did he see him play at all while he was in Anaheim? It still seems like a weird move. Possibly based on his cap hit and use of his body than anything else.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 30, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s going to be a 4th line plugger who can take some of the workload off of orr’s hands.
not too sure what else people expect from the guy…
by gnarlybattleship on Jun 30, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No expectations
The trade just kinda came out of left field. Especially with our dwindling SPC spots available. For 500k that’s exactly what I expect of him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jun 30, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke knows Brown from his Anaheim days. I’m sure current Ducks GM Bob Murray also recommended him during their time together.
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actually Brown was with the Canucks back in the day too…
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by Karina on Jun 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
So Burke is quite familiar with Brown. I wonder if Brown’s not on the team now to ride shotgun with Stalberg and/or Kadri if he makes the team. Similar to how Getzlaf was handled in his first year in the NHL.
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To give it a bit more rigour, if you average the current 19-man Leafs roster (assuming all RFAs re-signed) and apply their GVT over an 82 game schedule (splitting Gustavsson and Giggy’s minutes) you get to 80 (from 70 last year). Add +5 for Kadri. Take Komi from -1.7 to +3.5. Take Hanson/Stalberg/Caputi from 1.5 combined, to 6. Take Monster from -2 to 10. Take Schenn from 5 to 10. Take Bozak and Kulemin from 8 to 12. You’ve added about +40 GVT to our base of 80, for +120, or a goal differential of +15. That’s a playoff team.
Of course, these are optimistic projections and ignore injuries. They also ignore the possibility of further roster upgrades.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Really nice job with this series. I read a ton of baseball analysis using advanced statistics (like WAR, which is similar to GVT) and it’s great to see that being utilized here for my favourite team. Only problem is it is absolutely crushing my desire to do any work right now and there’s no end in sight it seems…
Burke has been quite clear in what he envisions from top six and bottom six. As an example he said quite clearly that if Kadri makes it it will be as a top six forward. He doesn’t believe in having top six guys play bottom six even as they are developing.
For me that applies to Stalberg and Caputi. IF they don’t make the team as top six guys they will be back to the AHL Stalberg in particular is not a prototypical bottom six guy in the Brian Burke mould. Tyring to turn him in to a third line grinder/checker would be a tremendous waste imho.
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by The Meatriarchy on Jun 30, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
but the GVT says he is a 3rd line winger!!!!!!
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lots of respect dude
I honestly mean that, you did a great job on this.
Advanced stats just aren’t my thing. I mean, there is a reason why scouts travel the world looking at players and not just get game sheets and do calculations
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Yeah, I hope I made clear traditional analysis will always be very important.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 30, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Its cool, i get the point of these posts.
its all good
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I kind of see Stalberg in the Todd Marchant role. That sounds to me like 3rd liner who can play some 2nd line.
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Yeah, I guess this is where I disagree with Burke. If Datsyuk can start as a 3rd liner, so can Stalberg and Caputi.
I also think Stalberg’s combination of speed + stone hands could make him an outstanding third liner.
by The '67 Sound on Jun 30, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that if you play power on power then you can afford to have guys like Stalberg cut their teeth on the third line.
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How about Nigel Dawes as a 3rd line winger? He’s been put on waivers in Calgary. 25 years old. Could be an interesting addition, although I have no idea if he can kill penalties or do anything. I just know he was good at some point!
That idea fell apart extremely quickly.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jun 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Stalberg/Hanson
if either of these guys are AHLers this year, we 100% need to cut bait with them and not re-sign.
I don’t much know or care whether they are a top6 or bottom 6, but both are 24 — the odds of either blossoming into an NHL player of any description after the age of 24 are exceedinfly low.
So if either of those guys goes to the AHL and tears it up but cant make the big squad, i will not be impressed.
Caputi i give more leeway to on age. He’s allowed to be an AHLer still.
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I’d give em 2 ahl years since while they are 24 they’ve also only had 1 season of competition against men. NCAA is not quite men. Sometimes it takes longer than a year to find yourself no matter what your age is.
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by Chuck Diesel on Jun 30, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Clarkson Gone.
This statistical analysis is fascinating and very telling. Thanks for the analysis and research.
With regard to the free agent pool: For the Wayne Clarkson fans out there it looks like he will not be heading to RFA (unfortunately).
by Raja Pakkomielle on Jun 30, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
david clarkson?
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by Raja Pakkomielle on Jul 1, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Very well done.
I really like your comparison of other players’ NHL-regular ages. It does actually make me feel better about the idea of Kadri lacing up for The Leafs next season.
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