On Fernando Pisani
by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintBefore he left for his European vacation (or fishing trip with Burke?) PPP mentioned a desire to sign free agent, former Oiler playoff hero, Fernando Pisani. Now, there's the fact that he's 33, has ulcerative colitis, his -1.9 GVT rating, and previous salary of $2.5 million which all make him look like a bad choice. Let's look at what he actually can bring to the Leafs!
- How great would it be to have a player whose name is the title of an Abba song? We had Abba jokes to make for so long back when we had Mats, Fernando would fill this void that has been missing for the past 2 years.
- He's good in the playoffs. Well, I guess this is debatable, he probably could have been playing way above his head in 2005/2006. But as far as our forwards go, there is a dearth of playoff experience, and his will certainly come in handy this year on our march towards the cup.
- He's not from Toronto. We're all sick of signing Torontonian players who sign here in the twilight of their careers simply because they always wanted to don the blue and white. Pisani would break that pattern, since he's actually from Edmonton, and we would be stealing him away from his home town.
- Let's not forget intangibles - he wore an A for the Oilers. That counts for something, right?
- Finally, the guys at Copper and Blue love him. Here's a quote: "If I somehow got super powers and became a professional athlete, that's the sort of athlete I like to think I'd be."
So, what do you think???
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Not sure this helps...
A slightly older player who’s talent (his career NHL high point total is 37. 18-19) has been slipping and hasn’t played a full season in the last three. Top six forward and Kaberle trade please…
He’s 3rd-line depth. If he can be had for less than his $2.5M, that’s be cool. On a line with Armstrong and Sjostrom he might be effective. Or 4th line with Orr and Mitchell. Either way, if he’s cheap, then 3rd-4th line is a good place for an “intangibles” guy.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 13, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions
We don’t need depth. We don’t need aging third liners. We don’t need aging injury prone depth players.
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by Chemmy on Jul 13, 2010 7:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yep
Pisani’s a textbook case of a guy you do NOT need to import in. Seriously, we have enough depth in the bottom six. It may not be great depth, but at least its OUR depth and at least as good as Fernando.
I don’t even want him at league minimum. Twentysomething scoring forward or bust.
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Seriously, $2.5MM? I wouldn’t pay Pisani $750K.
Bottom 6 and bottom pair should be cheap guys from within the organization. Blow your UFA wad on premium talent.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
But just look at those intangibles!
Just kidding guys, he’s junk. At least he’s a different topic than Kaberle, Kovalchuk or Bobby Ryan for once!
Next…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
What’s this about Bobby Ryan?
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by The Meatriarchy on Jul 13, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, more on that please. Trade possibilities?
by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not at 2.5. But why not cheaper? Plus, you are all forgetting one very important thing. He’s Italian. That’s the best intangible right there.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 13, 2010 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like you
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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dammit
now I feel like I should update the post!
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s point #6 – He’s Italian!
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
hilariously
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fernando Pisani is washed up.
He barely played the last few seasons because his colitis kept acting up. And he hasn’t been effective since 2006. This would be a poor move in almost every way.
Brendan Morrison would be a better bargain and might yield higher returns, if you want to take a risk on a depth forward. Eric Belanger would also be a good choice.
by TMLSiegeinVancouver on Jul 13, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
You can always find 3rd and 4th line guys via a trade or through your own system much, much cheaper than on the free agent market.
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That’s what Mike Brown is for. If only Burke could just clone that guy two more times we’d have our fourth line.
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by T is for Truculence on Jul 13, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Brown has some weird numbers. His CORSI is among the worst in the league, but his QCom & QTeam make him look great.
I would assume if his Corsi is low and his QTeam is low, then they are probably somewhat related. Playing with bad players doesn’t help your Corsi out.
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It gives me hope that the guy has played some seriously hard minutes. I remember someone mentioning his QCom being outrageous.
versteegs Qteam was also hilariously bad
i cant wait to see what he can do with semi-competent offensive linemates
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Brown’s 5 v. 5 corsi QoC was among the lowest on the Ducks. He had a terrible Corsi rel QoC, and a terrible corsi rel QoT.
He was their 5th PK guy and of those 5 had the 3rd highest corsi QoC for 4 v. 5.
There is no evidence he is a high-end PK guy or some kind of “shut down” player.
He is a minimum salary guy and probably fairly paid. I’d expect nothing more than energy and replacement level play. My hopes is that he will be deployed as “Orr-lite”, so that Colton can sit in the press box when our opponent calls for actual hockey skills rather than punching blood out.
If we have a 4th line 2/3 of which is comprised of Orr and Brown, they’d better not be out on the road for a faceoff because teams’ll put their top line out and it’ll be about a 75% chance of a goal ensuing.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Brown has one role on this team, to help Orr fight. That’s it. Forget all that corsi and advanced stats stuff. He is here to fight and hit
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Agreed. I just hope it is an either/or thing. Having both of them in the lineup could be disastrous.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
The WIld once iced a lineup with Fedoruk, Boogard and …. I forgot who the thrd goon was
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Also you’re looking for either Chris Simon or Cal Clutterbuck.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Chris Simon!
I dont consider Buttercup a goon
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Apparently Simon is doing pretty well for himself in the KHL.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t he on a team with like 8 ex-NHL goons or something gooning up the league?
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
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Doesn’t look like it.
He did end up second-highest on his team in points in 08-09…with a 8-20-28/263pims in 40gp stat line.
That’s 6.575 PIMs/game. Damn.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe
These nerd stats suck
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Jul 13, 2010 6:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure if serious……
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 14, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s serious
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 14, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
My general feeling is that these “nerd stats” generally just confirm the suspicions hockey-savvy people have anyway. A good scout, coach, general manager, or commentator can tell a good player from a bad player, and when two players are approximately equal but have different strengths and weaknesses, they can spot those too. All these advanced stats do is quantify those hunches but make them incomprehensible to all us everyday hockeyfolk.
by CanadianMaple09 on Jul 15, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Except that the “nerd stats” also help remove confirmation bias, in the sense that you often see what you want to see out of a player, ignoring the things that don’t fit your interpretation.
See: Rob Schremp fans, 2004-present.
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That’s why I included the word “good” in there. I mean someone who can evaluate players with a minimal amount of their own personal bias (of course this is always present, but is more present in some than others). I think this excludes most general fans of every team in every sport from the definition. One of the reasons I think PPP is so great is that you get a lot of Leafs fans that aren’t afraid to take a hard look at our own players. Sure, we still have bias and still argue over them, but even without the use of advanced stats some members in particular can give very good analysis beyond the usual commentary, making observations that are generally borne out by those that do use advanced stats.
by CanadianMaple09 on Jul 15, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I should also note that I don’t think I’m one of these “good” commentators I speak of. I’m definitely biased in favour of certain players, generally those on the Leafs’ roster. This is why I truly appreciate the work of many of the members here.
by CanadianMaple09 on Jul 15, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Pisani
If we didn’t have any other needs and a whole lots of cap space I’d be okay with picking him up.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions
The stuffa bout Bill Sweatt makes me a sad panda...
Assuming the offer is generous, the only reasons I can imagine him leaving are:
1 – he wants to be on an immediate contender
2 – he wants to be able to walk right into a NHL role and not spend any time in the minors (possible on say, Islanders, maybe even Tampa? They have like 5 forwards signed)
3 – he serious doesn’t want to play in Toronto.
If he actually ends up “testing” free agency, I don’t see him coming back to the Leafs. Although stranger things have happened…
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Meh, I’m not that excited about a guy who in his 4th NCAA year managed what, 33 points in 39 games? “Leading scorer on Colorado College” overstates the case a bit. They were a mediocre team last year. Stalberg had 46 points his final year (though admittedly he was a year older).
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Colorado College isn’t a great college hockey program. He probably did it with little help. But yeah, his numbers are overly impressive.
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Also, he was a second pick after his freshman year, when he posted 26 pts in 30 games. He has never since matched that ppg rate. He’s a throw-in and until we sign him and he turns into something we shouldn’t treat him otherwise.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya, I guess just losing a prospect, even a mediocre one, is never great news.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i'd rather he walk as a UFA
then us overpay him to save face or buy some mythical potential. We have enough guys on this roster who are overpaid by $500K here and there. It adds up. And these collegians tend to get loopy bonuses which quite frankly I’m tired of.
Sign him to a contract commensurate with his peers and skillset or move on.
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It would be a 2-way deal, with him starting in the Marlies for sure.
I have no idea what their offer is, but clearly he hasn’t proven shit yet and doesn’t deserve a payday. I think there is a maximum AHL salary that you can apply to ELC’s, no? $65k or something.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm
Stalberg was only in his 3rd NCAA season, and didn’t manage anything close to Sweatt’s numbers in his first 2 years.
He was also 2 years older… not 1 year older.
Sweatt was only 21 in his last year in the NCAA, while a lot of the players he was playing against were 23 or 24.
He is also not a purely offensive specialist, and he projects to be skilled on the PK as he played that role at Colorado College pretty consistently last season.
He’s going to be an NHL player, and he projects to a high 3rd liner low 2nd liner type… not that different from the likes of Versteeg, Brouwer, etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If Sweatt turns into Versteeg, I’ll buy you a coke.
Sweatt’s point production basically declined throughout college.
If everyone who “projected” into a particular NHL role actually filled that role in the NHL, there would need to be 100 teams to make space for them all.
I’m not sweating Sweatt’s non-signing.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
His production declined?
What freaking site have you been looking at?
He went from 26 to 27, to 23, to 33 points in his 4 years at Colorado College.
Check your stats dude.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Using the term "basically"
doesn’t really make any sense in that situation.
Also, he took on a more defensive role as he played a larger role in their team each year, so he was playing bigger minutes in a wider range of situations.
His coaches were high on him, Chicago’s scouts and coaches were high on him… why are we knocking a player for no particular reason here?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
oh and
his goal totals went from 9, to 10, to 12, to 15… I don’t really see a “decline” there… do you?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not knocking him, it’s just people are building him into this hugely important piece. Was he even in the top 50 of NCAA scorers? I expect NHL prospects to play in all situations and have defensive responsibilities; it’s the NCAAs, not the NHL. They should dominate.
I still say, “meh”.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Check yours
26 points IN 30 GAMES. 0.87 ppg. Then 0.73, 0.62 and 0.85. So his production declined THREE STRAIGHT YEARS before rebounding to LESS THAN HIS FRESHMAN YEAR!
I like your stuff Steve, I really do, but ease up on the condescension.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He went from playing
30 games as a freshman in a purely offensive role, to 39 as a senior at both ends of the ice, and he produced his highest point totals of his college career as well as the most goals.
I’m not going to describe that as a DECLINE.
Also… look at Colorado’s finishes and the players around him. They finished 6th in the WCHA last year, 4th the year before that, won the WCHA the year before that, and 5th the year before that.
The year they won the conference, they were a DEFENSIVE juggernaut, that only allowed 88 goals all season. And he was only 18 at the time.
I just think your expectations of a young kid by NCAA standards are a bit ridiculous as far as playing time/production goes if you’re bashing him for relatively small fluctuations in production.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
ppg ratings are a bit less meaningful in a far smaller sample size of an NCAA season.
They play less than half an NHL season… so a swing of 7 points, in an increase of 9 games suddenly makes the kid a less productive player? You’re splitting hairs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
How’s this for not splitting hairs: as a SENIOR, he wasn’t even close to the top 50 NCAA scoring leaders. #50 had 40 points. Sweatt had 33.
All I’m saying is the odds are against Sweatt ever being more than a replacement level player in the NHL. How is this controversial?
Most prospects don’t pan out. End of story.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
And of the top 50 scorers
only 3 of them were under 20… what does that tell you?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You're making completely distinct statements there
so what if most prospects don’t pan out… that doesn’t change how you evaluate said prospects against eachother.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
All I’m saying is “meh” if we don’t sign him!!!
I stand by that “meh”.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about? The TOP THREE scorers in the NCAAs last year were all younger than Sweatt. I can’t be bothered to look at every one of the top 50.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
I actually think it’s the top 2… but he wasn’t even in the top 100… not the top 50… anyway.
I’m just saying trying to sign him is a good idea… and I don’t think the distinction amongst NCAA players is as large in the 30-40 point range as we’re making it out to be.
I admit he’s not a top 10 talent from the NCAA, I just don’t think he’s as useless as a “meh”.
I also think you’re skipping on the fact that a lot of top scorers in the NCAA are horribly undersized… which kind of skews things a tad… anyway…
You feel your way, I’ll feel mine. I think he’ll be in the NHL, and he’ll probably be a 2nd/3rd liner long term… don’t think it’s ridiculous.
Lunch time.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
This, I can agree with.
Look, I’m happy to sign him for $600-700K. But Hanson’s looking like an overpay at $900K (plus 10% annual QO increase!) and Irwin’s a joke. Burke’s shouldn’t overpay for NCAA UFAs any more than he should for NHL UFAs, is I guess my only real point.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweatt isn’t an NCAA UFA though… he just wants to be.
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And if the Leafs don't sign him
He will be on August 15th… which basically means he’s negotiating as if he is one for all intents and purposes.
This isn’t an RFA situation where the Leafs hold a lot of leverage… he can wait a month and go wherever he wants.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yeah
that’s the whole reason this situation is playing out – he wants to be paid like a UFA, but right now is restricted by being a draft pick and only able to sign a ELC. I’m pretty sure we’re not signing him.
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Leafs are awesome! (/High fives self)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Bonuses can be negotiated too… plus if its a contender, ability to walk into a roster spot, city, etc.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The other side of all of this is
Since he’s an american, and he’s been through the US development system, Burke, Wilson, Poulin, et al will be quite familiar with him through talking to his coaches etc. Those guys are very respected in US hockey circles, so his advisors at Colorado College and home are probably not put off by the option of playing for that management team.
I think the UFA thing just means he’s going to wait until after Aug 15th to sign anything. Once he hits that stage, the Leafs are still in the game, the question becomes where he thinks he has the best chance to find success. Unfortunately for the Leafs, they have a lot of 2nd/3rd line guys waiting in the wings in the likes of Caputi, D’Amigo, Ryan, Mitchell, Irwin, Hanson, etc. I think longer term that may be more of a problem than a benefit for signing prospects.
The Leafs need to decide quickly if they’re going to fish or cut bait with a lot of the guys they’ve signed to deals in the past two years (which is basically what happened with Stalberg).
If they’re not keeping Hanson, then trade him somewhere else and convince a player like Sweatt to stick with it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think longer term that may be more of a problem than a benefit for signing prospects.
The Leafs need to decide quickly if they’re going to fish or cut bait with a lot of the guys they’ve signed to deals in the past two years (which is basically what happened with Stalberg).
Yes. We’re at 48 with Hanson, 49 if Sweatt signs. Not much leeway.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs should sign him if possible
if not… I’m not that stressed either… but I see no reason to imply he’s an inferior prospect in any way shape or form.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Inferior to what? I’m just saying, he’s nothing that special.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He's more special
at his age than Tyler Bozak, or Viktor Stalberg… how’s that?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He was 20 last year
When Bozak and Stalberg were 20, they weren’t even IN the NCAA.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
you yourself stated he produced 0.87 ppg as a 17 year old in the NCAA… you don’t think that’s special?
That’s superior production to Kyle Okposo at the age of 18 in the NCAA. (0.85 ppg)… and I think most agree he’s pretty special… also he was playing at the U of Minnesota, which is a tad more stacked with talent.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Bozak tore up the BC Junior A at 20.
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BC Junior
is a step below the NCAA…
If I recall he slightly outscored a 16 year old Kyle Turris in winning the BCHL scoring title.
Not exactly stellar… I just think understating performance as a 17 year old in the NCAA is a bit much.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
he was also like 4 feet tall and 80lbs or something at the time
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
good for him?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMN RIGHT IT IS
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Born November 1988
Was 21 for most of last year.
He was a 2nd round pick who produced less, at the same level of competition, three years later.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Again
you’re being pedantic over a reduction in scoring rate by 2/100ths? seriously?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pedantic? The point isn’t the 2/100ths, it’s the lack of progress over four years (in spite of, as you said, playing a more prominent role and getting more ice time).
And that he’s not even close to the top 50.
And that he couldn’t produce a ppg as a senior in college.
And that he’s not particularly big.
And that his NHLequiv ppg is 0.35.
And that he was a second round pick after arguably his MOST impressive NCAA season, 4 years ago.
Again, not saying he’s a piece of junk, not saying he’s without skill. Just saying, “meh” if he goes UFA, I doubt he’ll have a significant impact in the NHL.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how you define signifcant I suppose
And I don’t think the Leafs are burgeoning with impact players in the NHL right now… the more we have, the better.
I think he’ll develop into a decent two way forward.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s really the only that makes sense. Shoot, he could go back to Chicago.
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Yea, I mean it’s not inconceivable that he could make the roster in the fall, unlikely, but possible.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweatt’s gotta learn that he has yet to prove that he can play in the NHL. Sure he was named forward of the tournament at the 2006 U-18 World Championships, but that was 4 years ago. He also won the inline world championship that year too. Then he goes on to the 2007 World Juniors and gets a bronze. That all looks nice, but that’s all against kids and in college he was less than stellar.
Someone in the Leafs management needs to convince him that he has to prove himself first. Tell him he’ll start on the Marlies and if he tears it up down there, they’ll call him up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
True, just saying, the best way to prove you belong in the NHL when you have no experience is to get into the minors and tear it up like they did. (Bozak less so but he had the swine)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The reason they were more "coveted"
was because they were UFAs. Sweatt isn’t… yet. If he becomes one, he’ll probably be way more “coveted”.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of this is rampant speculation
about what Sweatt wants or is expecting.
Let’s face it, nobody has any idea whether or not he is willing to play in the AHL. He’s been to more than one Chicago rookie camp and frankly they were high on him, and he was looking like one of their top prospects at LW, except he was still in college.
They were far apart on a deal because of their cap crunch, and Sweatt and his agent were preparing for him to go UFA as a result. He didn’t EXPECT to be traded, and I don’t know that he should HAVE to sign with the Leafs. If he’d prefer to go UFA, that’s his right, and I’m not sure why he owes the Leafs anything… at all.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok. If he’d agree to change his first name to Funky, I back the guy – for whatever salary he wants. If that’s too much, maybe change the last name to Sweattttttttty. I’d back an extra $100k for that.
Otherwise, he should go Pisani up a rope.
by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
THE LEAFS MUST SIGN FUNKY SWEATT
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by blurr1974 on Jul 13, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
it's a two on one give and go
Booty passes to Funky, back to Booty…HOLY MACKINAW! BOOTY SCORES!!!1
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by blurr1974 on Jul 13, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
YEAH BABY.
Obvs, Booty the trailer, Funky do the dangle, VerBeauty on the beat.
by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I have stomach ulcers, and any kind of ulcers are not fun.
If he has a good gastroentologist then sgn him!!
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by Future_considerations on Jul 13, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
Finally, the guys at Copper and Blue love him.
Well, when you say “the guys” it’s pretty much “me”. I love him enough for all, though.
by Benjamin Massey on Jul 13, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions
yes but
do you love him because he helps a team win hockey games? or do you love him more in a “aw…check out my three legged dog! He’s so plucky!” sort of way.
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Yeah
They also loved Kelly Buchberger….
by CancerousRocket on Jul 13, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Little of both.
I like Pisani, first and foremost, because he played for my beloved hometown junior ‘A’ team.
Second, he’s a highly effective but not quite elite penalty killer. He can play tough minutes with rotten players (his old sometimes-nickname in Edmonton was “Instant Chemistry” because you could put him with plugs like Marty Reasoner and all of a sudden the guy would look like Mike Peca in his prime) and get results. He can chip in some, if not a lot, of offense. He was one of maybe half a dozen Oilers to emerge with credible results in last year’s horrorshow in spite of his medical problems. He probably won’t get more than a six-digit salary. Just about the only thing he can’t do is play centre (oh god don’t even think about using him at centre).
Guys like that won’t get you into the playoffs singlehanded but nor do they exactly grow on trees. Every team that wants to make noise needs a few players who can go out in any situation and saw off another team’s elite players. Edmonton has no such players at present, which is why I want them to bring Pisani back. I don’t know Toronto’s roster as well but I bet they could use one too.
by Benjamin Massey on Jul 13, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
guys I'm gonna let you in on a little secret
This whole post is facetious.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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NO WAY
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
nuh-uhhhh
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
nuh-huhhhh
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 13, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
Who are you?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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As per TSN
The Montreal Canadiens locked up Maxim Lapierre for the 2010-11 season, keeping him in the fold with a one-year contract.
TSN’s sister station in Quebec RDS reports that the deal will pay him $900,000.
Man we need Leafs news fast.
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I think we all do
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If anyone is going to play the role of Draco, it might as well be a Komi.
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HE PLAYS FOR HIMSELF!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Just snap him over their knee. Boy that would be the day.
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My brother disagrees that Lapierre is the biggest bitch in the league. Don’t know how. I believe he backed down from Stajan this year if memory serves correctly. Either him or one of our other soft forwards.
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there’s a few guys in the league on his level, if not worse. Carcillo, for instance.
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
kaletta as well – eww
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 14, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Ribero is the biggest
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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 13, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
ABBA song?
Sold. Too bad we didn’t get Higgins to put him on a line with. That would’ve been deadly.
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dude. cuts deep.
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If I had to do the same again, I would, my friend.
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by puckurgently on Jul 13, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Some thoughts on ex-Leafs and what their future holds:
Mike Van Ryn – It’s been well-documented and discussed that he will need at least an entire season in order to recover to any level of NHL-readiness after his horrible injury and subsequent surgeries. Wish him the best of luck, I hope he manages to come back in a limited role next year (on any team).
Wayne Primeau – Earned $1.4M last year, doubt he will ever see that money again. At age 34, he is at best a depth 4th liner on a mediocre team. He didn’t end the season very strong, but played with a lot of heart most of the time he was on the ice. Doesn’t look like a fit for the Leafs anymore going forward, but I wish him the best. Sometimes the skill just isn’t there, no matter how much heart you have.
Garnet Exelby I know he said he could still serve a useful role, but I don’t believe him. He’s supposed to be a depth defenseman who can hit, but he just ended up pinching and giving the opposition plenty of odd-man rushes. I don’t really care one way or another what happens to this guy, as long as he never touches Blue and White again.
Jonas Frogren – Off to Europe, cost us a 4th round pick, never really lived up to expectations. Peace, Froggy!
Rickard Wallin – Goggles is gone. Was slightly less useless at the end of the season. Not much else to be said. Enjoy being a big fish in a small pond, Rickard.
Jamie Lundmark - I recall an interview where his wife said “I think he would play for free if he could keep playing in the NHL”. While I love the dedication, I’m not sure how much he has left in him. He’s bounced around teams and the waivers wire a little too much. Good luck Jamie, not sure what will happen with this guy.
Jamal Mayers – who gives a shit.
Vesa Toskala – see Jamal Mayers.
Ian White – This guy deserves a big payday after proving fans wrong for the past few years. Little guy is all heart, and his infamous moustache was 2nd-to-none. I believe he’s going to arbitration with the Flames, and will likely get a big raise ($3Mish?) – but can the Flames afford to keep him? Capgeek says it’s unlikely, but who knows what crazy Sutter has in store for that team. I hope Calgary lets him walk UFA and he gets a chance to play on a good team going forward. Sadly, no matter how much I hold my breath and stomp my feet, I don’t see any way we can afford him back in the Blue & White. Good luck Ian.
Nothing real important to say, just keeping Leafs talk going.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Oh and Poni… some one pick this guy up already! I miss Poni rides…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
You’ll see Poni go to a team like Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, or Carolina who are in need of cheap wingers to round out their rosters. Pittsburgh probably won’t bite because of how he didn’t work out with Malkin, but Tampa would be a good fit for him.
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I can just see Poni to Tampa for 4 years, $14MM, and then absolutely lighting it up on the second line with Vinnie.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
$3.5M per? Try more like $2.5M per. The longer into free agency he goes without signing, the lower and lower his contract becomes.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
If it’s $2.5MM it’ll be for one or two years. I’m betting someone like Stevie Y is smart enough to see Poni is an undervalued asset and signs him longer term. For all the talk of his “terrible” finish with Pittsburgh, he had 9 points in 16 games (46 point pace) on 5.4% shooting. If you give him his career shooting percentage he would have had 11 points, a very solid 56 point pace.
In the playoffs the whole team got skunked.
I can’t believe we live in a world where Poni is worth less than Colby Armstrong.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Poni can score 20-25 on pretty much any team in the NHL’s second line, someone will take a flyer on him
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I worry that Poni is not going to get the payout that Antro got – probably $2-$2.5M per. He ended last season TERRIBLY on a very good team.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not a Poni supporter, but I wish him no ill will.
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by Future_considerations on Jul 13, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Uhhh
Antro got just above $4 mill
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you interpreted what I wrote the same as I meant it...
I worry that Poni is not going to get the payout that Antro got – probably $2-$2.5M per.
As in he WON’T get an Antropov-like payout ($4M/year), but rather get $2-$2.5M…
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhhh I missed the won’t.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure he won’t see that much dough. Shoulda re-upped with the Leafs.
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather sign splodeybones 1.0 than MVR
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by blurr1974 on Jul 13, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Lundmark
had the highest salary of any AHL player last season… he’ll keep making money, either in NA or Europe… just might not be in the NHL.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel bad though, I follow his wife on twitter, free agency stresses her out.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
A good reminder that there is a person (and family) behind the player.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like putting fanposts up for stuff that really could be said in a comment… I think we have too many BS fanposts up already.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re all over it in the CC
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Cool, I figured as much. I can justify hanging in the FTB for big hockey news at work, but if I hit the CC, I’d never get anything done.
by Bower Power on Jul 13, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey, is Burke on his fishing trip now? He was at the same lodge as me last year, but I’m going a week later this time so was wondering if I’d still catch him…
by Rod Blogojevich on Jul 13, 2010 10:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I dare you to find him and ask him if he’d do the Kessel deal again.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
No he was pretty hammered the whole time, could get violent. He did have a funny Mike Keenan story when I said I cheered for the Flames, however
by Rod Blogojevich on Jul 13, 2010 11:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he’s in California now, but going fishing later this month so…. good luck!
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you get lost on the way to the CC?
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TAMPERING!!!
Patrik Elias wasn’t happy to see the Devils lose defenseman Paul Martin to free agency, but he has a suggestion on how to fill that hole.
Tomas Kaberle.
Elias would like to see the Devils trade for the Toronto Maple Leafs defenseman.
"Personally, I wouldn’t be the only one to love to play with that guy," Elias said. "It’s unbelievable how he controls the game. I think he’d be a wonderful addition to our team.
"Toronto’s been talking for three years that they want to trade him."
Oh wait we’re not Mike Gillis. Nevermind.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
k. Zajac or Parise then Please!!
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by Future_considerations on Jul 13, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's different
coming from a fellow player, than it is from someone in management that has control over contracts and other aspects of the team.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 13, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh, looks like Wraps favorite boy has gotten himself into a bit of trouble
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Chicago-GM-defensive-after-Kyle-Beach-tak?urn=nhl,255690&cp=2#comments
Seriously, that’s some stupid shit on his part.
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
translation
Bowman to Olimb: suck it up princess
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Not really much of an update
but since things are so slow:
Real_ESPNLeBrun Leafs front-office source when asked for Kaberle update: ``Still listening."
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
BREAKING NEWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
Much better than “We’ve decided not to trade Kaberle.”
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d prefer – “We’ve traded Kaberle for Setoguchi and 3 1st round picks”
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and a snack pack
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m hoping for a jello shooter
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by blurr1974 on Jul 13, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Intangibles!
So if we get more guys with intangibles can we add all of those intangibles together, literally creating an intangible player? Or do we just call him Tim Brent?
If violence isn't the answer, then why the hell are you asking such stupid questions?
I keep waiting. . .
for this joke to die, but we just keep beating it like a dead horse and it still amuses me.
If violence isn't the answer, then why the hell are you asking such stupid questions?
by JoshuaDPreston on Jul 13, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
in columbus
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 13, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Carcillo re-signs in Philly for 1-year, $1.075M
Whew! Finally Philly has a 23-man roster.
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Nikolai Zherdev ($2.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / Jody Shelley ($1.100m)
Daniel Carcillo ($1.075m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Riley Cote ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Sean O’Donnell ($1.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Michael Leighton ($1.550m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP: $59.4m; PAYROLL: $62.835m; BONUSES: $0.938m; CAP ROOM: $-2.497m
Wait a tic…
I hope some team doesn’t help Philly out by giving them a great return on Gagne.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Sure hope that Gagne trade goes through.
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
They can definitely withstand the loss of Gagne with guys like JVR and Giroux not guaranteed top 6 spots right now.
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Counterpoint: Gagne coming back was a major part of them winning the second round.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Gagne is great, just injury-prone.
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A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Counterpoint: Gagne coming back was a major part of themwinning the second roundembarrassing Boston in hilariously historic fashion.
Fix’d.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, we embarrassed ourselves pretty well, thanks very much.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d for reasons other than REVENGE. Realllly.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
The team that had the worst collapse in the history of sports….still beat the Sabres. 
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure the 1942 Leafs comeback was better. Beat Detroit for the Cup after falling behind 0-3.
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Was Detroit up 3-0 in the first 15 minutes of game seven?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a point of pride for you?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re going to do something, may as well do it better.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, 08-09 hurt more.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid Carolina being unstoppable in Game 7’s.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I still love scott walker
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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He got his.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re going to do something, may as well do it better worser.
by not norm ullman on Jul 13, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
p.s. do you still have your WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE Boychuk poster?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 13, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still not sure why they needed to get Jody Shelley.
Were they really getting pushed around or something? Doesn’t make sense to me.
Also Meszaros seems like a mistake.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s a bit overpaid for the role he seems he’ll fill.
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by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Decent Plan B after the Hamhuis fiasco
They probably could have found someone cheaper, but they needed depth so their top 4 doesn’t get ran into the ground again.
Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn, Meszaros? That’s a damn good top 5 D
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This.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 13, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
it IS a damn good top 5 - but was it worth sacrificing Gagne?
Makes me start to think that Mgmt had planned to have him gone before they started the offseason anyway.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you imagine having a top 6 deep enough that JVR/Giroux/Leino don’t even crack it? Sigh.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
not a stud YET.
He had a damn good playoffs.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You are calling JVR a stud? What has he done exactly?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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they play Carcillo in their top 6 at times, though…
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
this is interesting
John Madden
This guy was a real nice fit with the Cup-champion Hawks, but there’s no room under the cap for him in Chicago at this point.
“Johnny is evaluating the possible situations so that he can pick the right spot moving forward,” his agent, Bill Zito, told ESPN.com on Tuesday. “Once Kovalchuk happens and [Tomas] Kaberle gets moved, now there’s going to be more free-agent business. So, at this point, it’s hurry up and wait.”
So there’s at least one agent who feels that Kaberle being traded is holding things up.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 13, 2010 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
And we’re all pretty sure a Kaberle trade is waiting on the Kovalchuk decision…. hurry the fuck up Kovy.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 13, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not too late!
Finger to minors, trade Kaberle and Grabovski for picks/prospects, we can still do this!
2010-11 TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
- Iyla Kovalchuk ($8.500m) / Tyler Bozak ($3.725m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.350m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Nazem Kadri ($1.720m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
Colby Armstrong ($3.000m) / John Mitchell ($0.725m) / Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.750m)
Luca Caputi ($0.833m) / * Christian Hanson ($1.000m) / Colton Orr ($1.000m)
Tim Brent ($0.575m) / Mike Brown ($0.537m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Mike Komisarek ($4.500m)
Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m) / Luke Schenn ($2.975m)
Brett Lebda ($1.450m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($0.800m)
Juraj Mikus ($0.563m)
GOALTENDERS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($6.000m) / Jonas Gustavsson ($1.350m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.4m; CARRY-OVER PENALTY: $1.400m;
PAYROLL: $63.538m; CAP ROOM: $0.318m; BONUSES: $6.235m
No just kidding, I know it’s too late. Sad.
If Kovalchuk costs more than $7.75M in cap space (Finger + Kaberle), then I wouldn’t want him.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I’d take that lineup in a heartbeat even if we only got a 2nd for Kabs and a 3rd for Grabs.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d grab Kovalchuk for that in a second. 8M for 40 goals almost guaranteed is one thing, but the fact that he’s our second source of scoring (Kessel being the other) is what makes me happy. Scoring depth, scoring depth, scoring depth.
But honestly, I think Burke has no interest in Kovalchuk’s term. Burke seems terrified of signing anyone past the age of ~31, and certainly no one gets a contract greater than 5 years, so I doubt he wants to touch Kovie, who would want no part of a 4 year deal.
I see what you did there.
But yeah, like invisible man is the biggest problem here…
by The '67 Sound on Jul 13, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This roster has Tim brent..
This roster is win.
Truncated truclence
by Future_considerations on Jul 13, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, all the sabres have to do to live in fantasy land is kill trade drew stafford.
2010-11 BUFFALO SABRES
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.143m) / Derek Roy ($4.000m) / * Tim Kennedy ($1.300m)
* Ilya Frikken Kovalchuk ($7.500m) / Tim Connolly ($4.500m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Jochen Hecht ($3.525m) / Rob Niedermayer ($1.150m) / Tyler Ennis ($0.875m)
Mike Grier ($1.500m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m) / * Patrick Kaleta ($0.850m)
Nathan Gerbe ($0.850m) / Cody McCormick ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
Tyler Myers ($1.300m) / Jordan Leopold ($3.000m)
Steve Montador ($1.550m) / Mike Weber ($0.550m)
Andrej Sekera ($1.000m) / Chris Butler ($0.850m)
Craig Rivet (IR) ($3.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m) / Patrick Lalime ($0.600m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 23; CAP:$59.4m; PAYROLL: $59.893m; CAP ROOM: $0.297m; BONUSES: $0.790m
Oh lord. That defense is hideous until Rivet comes back. Though, until then, our whole defense doesn’t even have a cap hit of $10M. (his replacement is MA Gragnani, who will make ~700k)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
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