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I did little to nothing this weekend aside from relax, visit family and drink beer outside.  It was pretty darned great.  All of this was made better by having my puppy with me when we went out to visit family and drink beer.  Grandma has a massive back yard that backs onto a park so we had a great time playing out there (on a side note, I also discovered that grandma has an outdoor hot tub that needs tending to... hmmm...).  Anyways, puppies are great and make summer weekends even better.  So I share a video of a cute shiba inu puppy above.  One of these days I'll manage to take video of Keiko doing something cute and post it, but today is not that day.  Instead, I just give you what few hockey links I was able to find and plead, again, with Ilya Kovalchuk to sign with the Kings already so that the rest of the NHL can get on with their lives.

 

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TB makes so much sense for Gagne. Stevie Y is doing a good job. I don’t know if he was lucky to be able to have half his forward corps at the end of their deals or what, but he basically has a clean slate to build that team. He’s got 4 high quality forwards and 5 very good defencemen (Walker and Clark are not necessarily “very good” but they are good depth guys and not overpaid), including two top three picks, and he’s got two good, cheap goalies, plus he’s got $20M to spend on the rest of it. Their prospects are ranked 23rd so he’s got some work to do there, but I’m sure it will come along.

by Leaf in Habland on Jul 19, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Gagne, Lecavelier, St. Louis, Stamkos, Downie, Malone, that’s a damn decent top 6

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with that.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’d go deep into the playoffs if only they’d stop allowing 4 goals a game.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Ellis!!!

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

His niceness will save 1000s of goals!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

How could you be so mean as to score on Dan Ellis! You’d make him sad!

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the guy. I hope he does great.

But he had pretty good numbers in front of a GREAT defense in nashville.

Tampa’s defense is… less than stellar. I hope he can adjust.

He’s a honorary Leafs hero for not signing with the Habs.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just think how well he’d do if he played BEHIND that defence.

by not norm ullman on Jul 19, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Smith is no chopped liver either … if he can only stopped getting bonked on the head. Mashed brain maybe, but not chopped liver.

"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy

by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 19, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looking at last years chemistry/lines

Gagne-Vinny-Downie
St Louis-Stamkos-Malone

Thats WAY more than decent!

by BCapp on Jul 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thing is

Considering the talent you mentioned, only Stamkos and Downie had corsi ratings over 1.0 on behindthenet.ca last year.

St. Louis was at 0.71, and Lecavalier was at 0.18. Adding Simon Gagne to that mix won’t help much (0.17). Ryan Malone was even worse at -0.19.

Generally they’ll still only have 1 good line. replacing Tanguay with Gagne won’t improve things defensively in that regard. Tanguay was rated as a 0.42, so the drop off to Gagne is signficant.

Basically their D will still suck. I also don’t think moving Ellis from the shelter of a solid defensive system in Nashville to the lack of anything resembling D in Tampa Bay will help his numbers at all.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

But still

Tampa’s a much better team.
If Vinny can somehow get to even a fraction of what he used to be, this team can go pretty far (at least playoffs this time)
Good job StevieY!

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

They've been saying that for a while...

like long before they dealt away Richards… I just don’t know that the D or goaltending is as good as advertised just yet.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Offense

hasn’t been the problem, it’s been team D.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

They've got 2 legit D, and 1 great prospect in Hedman.

The rest of their D is brutal.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ohlund

isn’t really legit anymore… he was… before he went to TB.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ohlund is legit, just mis-cast in the top pairing. He’s a good 3-4 guy, I think

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok

so how does that change next year?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh Kubina

right… the guy that was 5th in minutes for Atlanta last year.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ATLANTA

and before that the top guy in Toronto… defensive juggernaut say what?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not saying their D is good. Im saying Ohlund is still a very serviceable defenseman. He’s just in the wrong role.

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

They improve a bit

going from Meszaros to Kubina… and that’s offensively.

They also get an uptick from 1 more year for Hedman, and a downtick from 1 more year for Ohlund.

I’d say the D is about exactly as bad as it was last year… with a touch more offense.

They’ll still suck.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did they get a new coach?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kubina

He’s a decent upgrade over Meszaros, though that’s not saying very much as he’s not played well.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just saying

that the team’s still better than it was at the end of the season, and all their issues can’t disappear so fast. They’ll have trouble on D, but they’re still loaded.
I want Vinny back to normal

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hipster Puppies

Found here.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

He looks like Greg Keelor.

by Leaf in Habland on Jul 19, 2010 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, yes he does

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Updated so that we may appreciate the truculence of Colton Orr

Hockey Fighter of the Year as voted by HockeyFights.com

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jul 19, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

<3 Colton Orr

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

COLTON ORR

he knows what’s up!

Article1: "I WANT HER TO BE A PRINCESS! THIS MAKES HER LOOK LIKE A SLUT!"

by loser domi on Jul 19, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude it legit.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

too legit to quit

Article1: "I WANT HER TO BE A PRINCESS! THIS MAKES HER LOOK LIKE A SLUT!"

by loser domi on Jul 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who is that going down? (or up?)

by BCapp on Jul 19, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

That looks like a tinted visor, so i’d guess kopitar.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s Kopitar. I’m remember watching that game. Twas hilarious. You can see the terror in his eyes in that picture. Perfect.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jul 19, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colton needs to learn not to take so many stupid minors. Tied for 23rd in the league with 32 (which meant roughly 8 goals against given our dismal PK) and the only “enforcer” with more was Carkner, who actually plays a regular shift.

He was 4th in the league in penalties/60 (which includes majors as well as minors).

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got eighth in the league in Penalties/60, behind seven enforcers, even, (including Moneybags Boogaard),
(and only 25 penalties taken.)

Also, 10th place? DURNO.

He could do better in this department, though, as he was certainly below average in the “enforcers taking stupid penalties” department.

However, he was far above average in the “beatings +/-” department, and first overall in the “rearranging Carkner’s face” department, so i guess its give and take.

I also didn’t realize Colton Orr played in all 82 games this year. That’s impressive for an enforcer.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

However, he was far above average in the "beatings +/-" department, and first overall in the "rearranging Carkner’s face" department, so i guess its give and take.

You can’t put a value on that.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, i suppose i should link… Orr Stats

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprising (50+ games would do it too), the problem is a lot of “enforcers” play 4ish minutes a game.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I like my enforcers to do nothing but intimidate and fight, which is pretty much a 3-4 minute job.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

As distinguished from hockey players who can fight, a much rarer breed (e.g. Probert, Domi).

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boogaard averages about 5

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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m dying.. I need leafs news…

Truncated truclence

by Future_considerations on Jul 19, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Me too :(
I came back from a 2 week long vacation last night expecting to hear the end of the Kovi saga and news on Kabbie.
Instead I hear the big news is Mike Zigomanis

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

OMG, u r teh trash talking on teh ziggeee? STFU!!1

/hfboards

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Leafs news

but will affect Kaberle:

 
Jay_Grossman Ilya Kovalchuk will make his decision today (for sure, this time!).

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

It could be…

Pension Plan Puppets*
* Blog contains less than 2% puppet content by weight.

by Chemmy on Jul 19, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

You think we’re the “mystery team”?

I think TBL have a better chance than we do.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody said we’re NOT the mystery team!

Pension Plan Puppets*
* Blog contains less than 2% puppet content by weight.

by Chemmy on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is there something wrong with that?

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’m enjoying the sarcastic optimism.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Darren Dreger will now tweet that we are NOT the mystery team.

You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon

by Biff Carrington on Jul 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

please to end the mystery team spec

:P

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Jul 19, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that when me shit turns orange and smells like rainbow sherbet.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Srsly

Rainbow sherbet is disgusting

You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon

by Biff Carrington on Jul 19, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is Kabbie the biggest name left after Kovi signs?

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gagne

Suppose depending on who you believe Savard might still be in play.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

two forwards who have concussion and leg issues who played 58 games and 41 games respectively last year are worth more than one of the top 5 scoring D men in the NHL via trade?

I guess that makes sense.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying that, they’re just all in the conversation.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you read that Marc Staal is better than Kaberle (via SJ)? It’s insane how badly most fanbases undervalue Kabby

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps because he plays for the icky rangers you don’t understand how good Marc Staal is.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Staal is good, but better than Kaberle? C’mon…

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is

by a country mile defensively.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overall?

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, he was one of the best shutdown defensemen in the league last year… plus he is 23, with offensive potential that’s only starting to come out.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if GMs thought that much of him (especially given his age) he would have already been offer sheeted. SJ probably would have gone at him like they did Hjarlmarsson. Or no?

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

The offer sheet would have to make sense

from a draft pick perspective. What team wants to pull the Kessel exchange

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

If they offered him the same deal they offered Hjarl then it would be the same picks. So why not, in that case?

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

because he's worth more than Hjarlmasson

so I don’t think teams want to give up that many picks,

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think he’ll get better than $4 per on this contract?

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s holding out for it, sure.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite likely... yes

I wouldn’t be shocked.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be surprised if he got much more than $4 personally. Too many picks, not enough cap space for the team that holds his rights. It just doesn’t add up to me.

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's probably going to

based on his projected level of play. He’s a top pairing D man.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, on his projection but how does he get paid that given all the other conditions?

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

take a look at the company he keeps defensively.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had the 3rd highest

QCOMP on that list also.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

insane

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus a lot of people think that the Hjarlmasson offer sheet was also about forcing Chi to move more pieces should they match it.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fear the Fin theorized that the only way they’d be able to get an offer sheet not matched is the 6M dollar area.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

How could the Rangers possibly afford anywhere near that?

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lose Wade Redden. probably not even a downgrade.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

losing wade redden and signing a pylon is an upgrade, isn’t it?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh of course it isn’t a downgrade, how do you lose redden though?

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bury him Finger-style.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think they’d actually do that in NY? (I have no idea what their ownership is like)

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

first example: Darius Kasparitis.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Redden is different though, isn’t he? I feel like it would be tough to lure free agents if you buried someone of his (perceived) calibre.

If ‘high end’ free agents start hitting your farm system it might deter some other guys

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kasparitis was hugely sought after when he signed with the Rangers as well.
The money will always keep them coming back. That, and being the biggest market in the USA where if you’re amazing, you become a HUGE star.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where does Redden rank in terms of highest paid D-men? Top 5? certainly top 10

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

9th

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yikes.

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tied for 5th, with Phaneuf and Jovocop, in terms of cap hit.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, that’s more what I was concerned with

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had wondered where he went, he just dropped off the face of the earth in 2007 and then reappeared in russia.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He will get paid a LOT more than Hjarlmarsson. I would think some GMs have already tried the offer sheet route, but he wouldn’t sign unless it’s big money – and that’ll cost a LOT of draft picks.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Staal already rejected a 3.5M offer i believe.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

and frankly if the Rangers gave up Staal for $5.5 mill when they could bury Redden to make room for him, Sather is even dumber than I though.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

He may have received offers… but I’m pretty sure he’s holding out for like 4M+, maybe 5M.

We often don’t hear about it if the player doesn’t accept the offer sheet.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

so what’s happening with him and SJ?
I didn’t have any internet for 2 weeks, so I’m kind of lost…

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

nothing

their fans are just daydreaming about getting him

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'd say overall

his offensive game is improving at a rate I HOPE Schenn’s does. he’ll put up 30 points this year probably… and he’s a beast defensively.

I’d easily take him over Kaberle… in a heartbeat.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marc Staal is a defensive-defenseman, and a damn good one.

He was very underrated until the offseason came around, now tons of teams are rosterbating wanting him on their team.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marc Staal

is usually overvalued because of his last name.
He’s good, but not great

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay

.. so we’ve still got the best Dman out there
But most teams in search of the Gagnes and Savards aren’t looking at Kabbie, and vice versa.

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frolov!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fool me once Jay Grossman…

You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon

by Biff Carrington on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

he said Kovalchuk will make a decision.
There’s no guarantee he signs.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have decided to take some more time to think about my decision before deciding

aka – The Mats Sundin

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sundin

Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 19, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

except he plays poker instead of chess

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
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by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Playing poker with yourself must be much harder than playing chess against yourself.

“I’m bluffing!”
“Or am I…?”

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Jul 19, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it just me...

or is this the single worst off season of all time?

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

it could be…. last year was definitely better

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should have been around for the summer of 63. What a snoozer.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jul 19, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I refuse to acknowledge any free agency period prior to the creation of ‘twitter’

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Things will improve

once Kovalchuk signs. He’s clogging up everything because teams are waiting to see where they need to spend.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kovulchuk Possibilities:

Devils, Kings, KHL and “Mystery Team”……….I think he goes with the Kings since the dude keeps running back to them.

Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

He obviously wants one team (99% sure it’s the Kings), he’s just using other teams as leverage.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

IS THIS FOR REAL?
NHLDevils HE’S BACK: Ilya Kovalchuk signs with the Devils. Press conference scheduled for Tuesday at the Rock.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Is that the devils official twitter or a fake one?

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Weird

Doesn’t make much sense… I’m guessing short term deal.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

today might be busier than we thought though.

If Kovy signs, a lot of other players might be about to follow suit.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

YAY

this is the official Devils twitter account

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya but

remember the kind of things that official accounts can say….

EVERYTHING ON LEAFS ROSTER FOR #1 OVERALL PICK

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the Devils employ Paul Hendricks as well

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure the only team that allows their twitter to be a joke is the Leafs

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

EVERYTHING ON LEAFS ROSTER FOR #1 OVERALL PICK — Henny

fixed.

"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."

by Fergus30 on Jul 19, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

News!

Hoo-flippin’-ray!

Leaf, the universe and everything.

by 1967ers on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

DarrenDreger
  
I have done almost nothing on Kovalchuk, but some think NJ may be the destination of choice. The guessing continues.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

this throws some cold water on it:

CraigCustance According to the New York Post, Kovalchuk has re-signed with the New Jersey Devils.

They said that before.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

OFFICIAL
TSNBobMcKenzie Ilya Kovalchuk re-signs with NJD. More importantly, looks like I’m going to Kid Rock-Jon Bon Jovi concert. :-) Financial terms on both later

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Legitness!
DarrenDreger
New Jersey it is. Thanks to the Devils for ending this saga.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

FINALLY

We can all get around to trying to figure out who will trade for Kaberle and what the return will. This Kovalchuk business has been keeping us from being able to focus on that…

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be honest

I am (and I’m sure many others) are SHOCKED it wasn’t LA.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

so am I

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed. Let’s move Kabby now.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree 100%

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why Devils though.,……its not like their an up and coming team….if anything they’re on the downhill, they have very few legitimate NHL prospects and Brodeur maybe has one or two good years left.

Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

win a cup

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

and NJ offers him the best chance???………he could have signed a one year deal with a number of teams who can offer a better chance than NJ

Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s a balance of being competative and being comfortable
I think it’s going to be a long-ish deal, and the Devils are consistently top 3 in the East even without Kovalchuk. It makes tons of sense.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, but the reason they are is due in large part to having one of the best goaltenders in NHL history, plus the trap.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure
and that would make Kovalchuk not sign there because?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well long-term because Brodeur doesn’t have much left in the tank. Short term it’s obviously a good idea.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus it lets him live in NYC where tha crazzee parties be.

I believe this is on his agenda.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Jul 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

regardless of his decision making though…….this is a major coup for Lou if it is a reasonable hit contract

Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.
I bet LA fans are pissed.

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

man are they ever….. they’ve got NO ONE of value this off season

Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 19, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

They spent the whole offseason waiting on Kovy.

Nothing left but depth and trade opportunities for them. Kovy fucked them good.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Acquiring Kaberle would ease the pain.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’ll probably go hard at Gagne now. I imagine this is great news for the Flyers

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quick! start Kaberle-to-LA rumor mill!

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was so a week ago, don’tchaknow Kaberle for Brown? Or Simmonds? We’re way ahead on this.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But now all off the rumormongering dedicated to Kovalchuk can be redirected to Kaberle trade rumors.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hooray! I’m totally not sick of talking about them.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their only hope is that Kopitar can figure out how to be good again, for more than half a season this time.

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heh I’m screwed in my keeper fantasy pool…. I bet big by trading for Kopitar at the end of the season in hopes that Kovy would go to LA.

D’oh.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kopitar can still be a ppg player

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine he’ll do even better this year, assuming his linemate’s don’t break all their bones again.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love their D
Doughty+BabySchenn :)

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baby Schenn plays forward.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fail

I mean their D.. and Baby Schenn

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teubert and Hickey and Johnson are all pretty legit though

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably theyir #2 C this year

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they get Gagne now.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

This would not help their “Hope linemates don’t splodybones” cause much, but he’s also a pretty good player.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ya I know, but he would have been a fantasy steal if Kovy was on his LW

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Arnott!

I’m lying.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

Capgeek has a new cap and lineup generator, it’s neat!

Let’s see how Devils plan on fitting Kovy.

http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculator/index.php

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

What wing does Elias play, RW or LW?

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

typically LW. He was used as C for some of last year. NJD LW now consists of Parise, Kovy, Elias so I would almost expect Elias at C again.

"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy

by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 19, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Elias at C? What about Zajac and Arnott? Those are pretty legit #1 and #2

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Arnott will be injured for 30 games as usual.

"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy

by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 19, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

All this to go back to where he came from?
I will be very mad if it’s true..

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

is it that 100 mil 17 year contract?……wow……i’m surprised if he signs with NJ

Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he signs in NJ… That means they need to dump a lotttttttttt of salary.

by Huey2k2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Elias might be up for grabs

Or Zajac.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

/drool

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love Zajac. Elias I could leave at this point — we just aren’t there yet

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Elias has to be getting old by now surely

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Jul 19, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

.. but I’d be surprised with Zajac. Elias: no chance

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
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by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Devils are going to waive Salvador. That’s nearly $3 mil off the books.

In Lou We Trust: Now More productive than a New Jersey Devils Powerplay
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 19, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

To the minors or hoping someone takes that albatross of a contract?

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Minors probably. Rolston’s probably gonna get forced out of New Jersey, mainly due to the fact that his contract is 100x worse.

In Lou We Trust: Now More productive than a New Jersey Devils Powerplay
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly

by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take Rolston or Salvador….. but you have to give me Zajac too

;)

by Huey2k2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

How do you get rid of that 35+ contract?

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

sweeting the pot? No idea. Those trades don’t happen that often. Except on HFBoards.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, that rule is nuts

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least Rolston COULD be a player. He usually hovers around 30 goals.

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

No no no. One of the worst contracts in the league. Stick a fork in him.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

PLEASE

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take Zajac please.

by Huey2k2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha
Bob Mckenzie Ilya Kovalchuk re-signs with NJD. More importantly, looks like I’m going to Kid Rock-Jon Bon Jovi concert. :-) Financial terms on both later

Truncated truclence

by Future_considerations on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

This is really the best thing for us (other than signing Kovalchuk obviously), especially given all the rumours about the devils going hard for Kaberle.

NJ is going to be looking to shed lots of salary, and fast.

by Huey2k2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’ll shed salary, but it will be similar to Chicago did – try to eliminate their overpaid 3rd and 4th liners before any of their core.

And in case anyone was wondering, yes Zajac is part of that core.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is, but still more likely to get traded than Elias.

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
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by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

why?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

They love him there, and he had a better Olympics than a lot of people expected

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
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by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Lou is too smart to fall into the trap of keeping players just because the fans love em…

Moving Zajac and keeping Elias makes no long term sense whatsoever.

by Huey2k2 on Jul 19, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just fans, like team chemistry and stuff
“the intangibles”

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
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by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They probably don’t need to move Zajac or Elias. Salvador and Zubrus are the most likely targets.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah I forgot about Zubrus. He’s looked like he’s on his way out since they traded for Arnott.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the thing…You’re a GM, any GM. You call up Lou because you know the devils need to unload salary and they are dealing from a point of obvious weakness.

They offer you Salvador or Zubrus.

What team is going to look at that and think “Awesome that’s just what we wanted!”. What is NJ going to throw in, and what can they throw in, to sweeten the pot to get rid of those guys.

by Huey2k2 on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Atlanta or Edmonton.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem for them is…. what outside of their core really has any value?

by Huey2k2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

They don’t. They really shouldn’t be looking for value right now, they should be taking anything to get them under the cap. Which is why teams with cap space are going to benefit and get great deals.

One of the reasons I was a bit upset we wasted our cap space early in the offseason. I knew something like this was going to happen (Van, Philly, CHI, now NJ all need to shed salary from a point of disadvantage)

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am shocked

that Kovalchuk isn’t even a trending topic right now.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait until after lunch.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, over/under on time until capgeek explodes?

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let'

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ack

Let’s help out!

http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculator/index.php

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

dead. 23 minutes?

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too many lunches happening. I’ll give it until 1:05 until the internet ’splodes.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just happy we can all get on with our lives now

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not till Kabbie gets traded

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
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by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats the next step

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least we might see an offseason start to happen!

Trades damnit!

Let’s see Frolov and Poni get signed!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not big

I still think we’re following the same pattern for 25+ years:
a) make trades and sign free agents (mercs) to overhaul the team; zoom up the standings
b) trade prospects and draft picks to get ‘that one guy who’ll get us the Cup’, try and win the Cup
c) trade more draft picks (draft schmaft, my draft is on July 1…) when the team runs out of steam and plans fishing trips instead of next game strategy; fear becoming irrelevant
d) tread water with more trades and mercs while other teams draft and develop and win the Cup….
e) Hire new GM and repeat from a)

Would’ve been nice to see Burke trade to get Skinner, or Puempel/Jenner/Larsson in 2011, but I’ll bet real money that he’ll trade more prospects/picks instead.

by dsciswe on Jul 19, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, that’s exactly it.

We’re doing the exact same thing every other GM did in the past.

I mean, I remember like it was yesterday when Gord Stellick traded all his prospects to pick up a 24 year old winger. And when Mike Murphy gave up the farm to get that 24 year old defenceman. Or who could ever forget when Punch Imlach traded away draft picks to get a 22 year old who’d just scored 30 goals?

Did you feel yourself getting stupider as you typed that?

Resident Capologist

by clrkaitken on Jul 19, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Thanks for typing that, now I don’t have to.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 19, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

@DNFlyers Flyers source confirms Simon Gagne has been traded to Tampa Bay. Waiting to hear on the return.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup. Good pick up for Yzerman. Probably gave the Flyers next to nothing in return.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 19, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of speculation Mike Smith going the other way… could be a #1 for Philly.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

gregbrady71
  
If indeed goalie Mike Smith is headed to Philly to compete w/ Boucher/Leighton, likely Tampa makes offer to Marty Turco to pair w/ Ellis.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

They trade for another goalie… and then SIGN another one?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

No...

TB would trade Smith (to get Gagne)… then sign Turco as a FA.

Saves Philly from cap hell, and TBL still gets 2 average goalies.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

+Gagne.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

ooooh

I read that wrong.
heh, Turco in Tampa… interesting.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stevie Y first round leader for exec of the year.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way too soon.

if they fail to make the playoffs again… which is quite possible… then I don’t see how he’s changed much.

His D is worse for the loss of Foster and the addition of Kubina… his goaltending MIGHT be better… and the offense isn’t drastically improved yet. Adding Gagne helps them score more, but their problem is Defense, not scoring.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kubina is an upgrade over Foster. Fosters’ stats were pretty because he was often the last touch to Stamkos on the PP.

by Bower Power on Jul 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

(I know because he was a beast on my fantasy team.) He’s also not someone I would want to rely on defensively.

They need Hedman to really step up his game quickly. He’s the future of that team’s D.

by Bower Power on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He dumped two bad contracts in Meszaros and Walker (plus a 4th), and in return got Gagne and a 2nd. He signed Clark to a nice deal. He signed Kubina to a very nice deal. He’s got reams of cap space, an awesome top 6, two solid goalies.

I don’t see how that team’s talent and cap situation is anything but vastly improved.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

add in an improved hedman…and wow, tampa’s a scary looking squad.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Jul 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but you can’t hand out the awards before the season is even played.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

frankly, Lamorello has done a fine job in NJ as well.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Burke has done….

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Jul 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

mediocre.

Better than mediocre if you count his mid-season trades.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes the best move is the one you don’t make?

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jul 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully!

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have little optimism for the season ahead.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Jul 19, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s okay, I have double the amount! So we’re all even.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

My optimism is more tempered than last years, I just want to see these guys play.

by WendelMadeMe on Jul 19, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

My only hope is that Kaberle gets moved for a top line LW or C.

None of this second liner crap anymore.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Jul 19, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

although I don’t see this happening ever.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Jul 19, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes the best move is the one you don’t make?

In that case Burke is doing awesome

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by Archimedies on Jul 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, because he totally acquired a team with Lecavalier, St Louis and Stamkos level talent on it.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 19, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, and well you know, it’s July 19.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch me!

But seriously though, he’d going to have to just add depth or 1 year deals for a bunch of the remaining contracts, they are going to owe Stamkos a shit ton of money next year if he even comes close to the 2010 season.

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A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like this idea

Cup champs – The Leafs
Richard trophy – Kessel
Art Ross – Bozak
Calder – Kadri
Norris – Jeff Finger (runner up Phaneuf)
Conn Smythe, Jennings and Vezina – Gustavsson
Hart – Phaneuf

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jul 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm not enough going to the Leafs.

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A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the Mark Messier leadership award?

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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 19, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calder Cup – Toronto Marlies (led by Captain Jeff Finger)

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Buh buh BUhhhhhhhh
erlendssontrib
  
To conflict some reports already starting to surface Mike Smith is not part of the Gagne deal, no goaltenders, in fact, from what I’ve heard

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

who will it BE

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

MOAR RUMOURS
gregbrady71
  
The deal seems to be Matt Walker & a R4 pick for Simon Gagne. Gee, no wonder the Leafs weren’t interested. (This tweet may include sarcasm).

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?
@DNFlyers: Done deal: defenseman Matt Walker and a 4th round pick come back for Simon Gagne.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

As per below, Philly fans are going to be pissed.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

its ok! they have Zherdev~!

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

soon, the only player left to trade for will be Kaberle!

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jul 19, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

LAK now $16M below the cap, holy hell.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

well

Doughty’s gonna eat up a ton of that next year…

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s almost as if… they need a good defenseman… with 1 year left on his contract…. hmm.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Johnson and Doughty both good puck movers (or at least point producers), do they need Kaberle?

Honest question, I don’t see the Kings much.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows, just speculating who is available… I hear they might also be interested in Vancouver’s Bieka since VAN has like 9 defensemen.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha

I laugh at whoever trades for Bieksa.

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by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t you realize that you just guaranteed that Burke will not do it? DAMNIT!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Argh

Don’t you realize that you just guaranteed that Burke will not now do it? DAMNIT!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see them wanting Kaberle for what they’d have to give up, unless it’s in one of those fabled “mentorship” roles, to give Doughty a little more puck moving upside. I’ll probably be upset with the return if Kabby goes to LA.

by Bower Power on Jul 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll probably be upset with the return if Kabby goes to LA. regardless.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

last night I had a dream that we traded Kaberle to Dallas for Brunnstrum.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh good god.

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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

They better not fall into the trap of overpaying to fill the cap.

by Bower Power on Jul 19, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s what they did with Handzus, who is a UFA next year.

they’ve got boatloads of cap space to sign all their upcoming RFA’s to sweet deals.

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean to sign Ponikarovski to a 6.5 million deal1

by Bower Power on Jul 19, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of this Steve Yzerman love as GM

is a bit premature.

Why would Turco help them at goal more than Smith? He has been declining for years.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

They always have Ellis on the cheap too.

Plus adding Gagne would be a sweeeeeee top 6. (IF HEALTHY)

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

I covered that earlier… their top 6 would still be horrible defensively. especially if Gagne plays with Malone and Lecavalier. That line would suck from Corsi Rating terms relative to their competition.

The top line is good… the 2nd line? They need help. they sucked with Tanguay last year, and Gagne would be a drop in defensive ability, as scary as that is. Oh and he’s injury prone.

Their D is weaker… their goaltending isn’t a sure thing as Ellis has never performed without the awesome D of Nashville… I’m guessing his numbers drop just like Smith’s did when he came to TB.

Their D sucks… it still sucks… I can’t see them being a huge amount better next year. Stamkos alone could carry them, and the SouthEast is pretty crap so that helps. But really? Not sure they’re a whole lot better.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya but

Steve, you always take the other side on everything!

I still like their top 6 and I’m stickin’ to it.

Whether they won this trade or not, who knows.. still not sure what’s going back the other way.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes well

I like to try and moderate things with a dose of something different… just think about all the connections is all.

They aren’t a whole lot better at this point, so I don’t see why we’d assume Yzerman is a superstar GM.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that, I just like their top 6 personally.

Yzerman has more to prove, but he’s had a decent offseason.

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A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I’m saying is I like every one of the moves they’ve made.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gagne’s corsi rel QoC (straight corsi is almost as misleading as +/-) was second on the team, behind only Richards.

If healthy, he’s an excellent player. And if not, it’s just one year.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s just about having an experienced goalie on a short term contract who you can count on for some soft(er) games. Ellis would be their strong #1 in almost every situation. With a strong enough tandem, back-to-backs should never be concerning. (The perfect version of this is Rask/Thomas, though obviously Ellis is much older than Rask.)

They need to start thinking about young, future goalies, though. I don’t know what their prospects look like.

by Bower Power on Jul 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saying Ellis is a strong #1

is a huge leap at this point. He hasn’t been a strong #1 anywhere else in the past… he’s been good… he hasn’t stolen the show on his own though.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

would be their strong clear #1

by Bower Power on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

so we’re going from saying solid #1, to comparing the turco/ellis tandem to thomas/rask? That’s a vezina trophy winning and GAA/SV% leader combo… they’re NOT the same… not even close.

Oh and Boston has the best D in the NHL… largely thanks to the likes of Chara and Bergeron.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

(The perfect version of this is Rask/Thomas, though obviously Ellis is much older than Rask.)

I wrote in to the post the fact that they would be nowhere near that good. It’s just the same setup when you’re talking about who to play when, and it’d be a similar style tandem (Rask played ONE back-to-back all year).

by Bower Power on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

@DNFlyers: Done deal: defenseman Matt Walker and a 4th round pick come back for Simon Gagne.

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by leafer1984 on Jul 19, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Philly fans are going to be pissed.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record, I’m more annoyed about this than not signing Ilya

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by leafer1984 on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was saying before, it honestly doesn’t matter which team could put together the best package, it’s which team Gagne would waive for.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget Gagne had an NTC.

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by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did he?

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by leafer1984 on Jul 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, you can look it up on capgeek, I’m off to a lunch meeting

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by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely, and he would only waive for certain teams. see above:
it honestly doesn’t matter which team could put together the best package, it’s which team Gagne would waive for.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same

I never seriously considered Ilya a reasonable possibility but Gagne for what they gave up would have been amazing. I still don’t understand why Philly makes this deal. With Meszaros and Walker now acquired from Tampa where are the cap savings?

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Walker?

for Gagne? yeah they just got worse on D…

by quite a bit.

More scoring… still no D.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah they’ve gotta sign/trade for a good defenseman now.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle?

for Downie? PLEASE?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could deal with this.

I like to get banged. Banging rocks together, 140 characters at a time.

by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

I hate Downie… but he’s very useful.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck that noise. Downie’s a scumbag.

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

a very useful scumbag

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

eggzakly

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jul 19, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if you are joking or not

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by leafer1984 on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda am

I don’t see it happening… at all.

Plus Kaberle sucks on D… which still doesn’t help them.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

but the fabled Kaberle-Kubina pairing!
Also, do not see it happening.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we'll put this in the cautious

possible but extremely unlikely category.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about… trading them Jeff Finger for a 6th Rounder? They do need some responsible guys back there.

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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes more sense

And I guess they’d have a use for him.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s the anti-Burke methodology… build from the top 6 BACK

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well they already had at least 4 solid top 6 guys on that team (Stamkos, Vinny, St Louis, Malone) so it wasn’t that much of a stretch for them

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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes what's that saying about

Offense taking you to the 1st round and out?… anyone?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

I don’t think Yzerman has any playoff guarantees for Tampa this year. But hey, who knows right? Phoenix and Colarado surprised last year!

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

… and Montreal and Philly…
Well maybe people thought they’d make the playoffs, but not go that far

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by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, Philly was seen as one of the Stanley Cup favourites last offseason.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Philly had a weird year

and a lot of injury issues between Carter, Briere, and Gagne specifically.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Different times.
Some people thought Phily would be one of the top teams in the East. Then when they fell, they weren’t expected to go very far in the playoffs

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by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh ya for sure, but let’s just say there will likely be a few “surprise” teams making the playoffs next year that don’t look good right now.

My bet is on St. Louis, Calgary (i know, contrarian!) and Nashville.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

so if Dan Ellis can pull a Bryzgalov or Anderson…

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure that's likely

but we’ll see.

Bryzgalov had more playoff success in Anaheim. Anderson has done it for 1 year with Colorado… he might not repeat (and likely won’t).

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither one should have made the playoffs

Colorado was a completely bizarre case of horrible Fenwick/Corsi numbers being overshadowed by some good goaltending.

Phoenix was mainly their OT record.

Both are great examples of how shitty teams can make the playoffs.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both are great examples of how shitty teams can make the playoffs.

So…. go Leafs 2011?

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually

the Leafs were the opposite… we had great Corsi/Fenwick numbers, but lost because of ATROCIOUS goaltending (Toskala) and special teams.

If we get average goaltending and some improvement in special teams, we’re shoo ins for the playoffs.

We’ll see how it works out though.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The weirdest part is

the Leafs were far better in many areas than Colorado AND Phoenix… except goaltending… and special teams.

If we can improve THOSE two areas… we’re good. Goaltending should be better no matter what. Spec Teams is up in the air still.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course :)

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think about it this way:

So far this summer, Yzerman has traded Philly Meszaros, Walker and a 4th for Gagne and a 2nd.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn you beat me to it.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Jul 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does my ass taste?

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 19, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow…..Tampa got Gagne for nothing…….regardless of his injuries…..he’s a very talented player. Thats a dangerous top 6.

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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 19, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Dangerous

at both ends of the ice.

They’re going to give up a lot of shots and probably goals to boot.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

their power play is going to be ball shrinkingly terrifying though

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sphincter-tightening as well

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 19, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it safe to say that Tampa is the biggest winner of this offseason?
Unless something totally crazy happens..

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, depending on Kovy’s contract, NJ did alright.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it safe to say that Tampa is the biggest winner of this offseason?

Nothing is safe until the OS is over!

by Bower Power on Jul 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stevie Y=genius

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tempered by the fact that there’s a good chance he fucked up with the 6th overall pick

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by clrkaitken on Jul 19, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a guy who got hired a few days before he probably let his TB scouts choose who they wanted. I’m going to wait until 2011 to judge his drafting.

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We won’t know for a few years about his drafting. He’s made some shrewd trades though.

Also love the hiring of Guy Boucher.

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

My Goal Is To Make Each Comment As Meaningless As Possible

by Archimedies on Jul 19, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

as I said on twitter:

Gagne and a 2nd for Mezaros, Walker, Zherdev and a 4th. THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Jul 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

For who?

Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
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by leafer1984 on Jul 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

for philly.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Jul 19, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t understand it. Unless Gagne’s injuries are worse than we think.

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

or he told them that Tampa was the only place he was willing to go

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding
erlendssontrib
  
Gagne: "I was willing to waive my no-trade clause only for Tampa Bay, not for other teams’’ Said he had interest from out west (LA???)

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

this makes me proud of Gagne

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by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wants to make the new french connection!
Gagne – Vinny – St Louis!

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but then why move him. Did they really need Meszaros and Walker more than Gagne?

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

they got a cheapy “replacement” for Gagne in Zherdev, and he is more likely to stay healthy all season
they are in winrightfuckingnow mode

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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha

Over at the Philly thread (regarding PHI cap situation)

New T-Shirt Idea
Picture of Holmgren or some reference to Homer

"I was told there would be no math."

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

ELLIS HAPPY
33dellis
  
Great pick up for TB today with Gagne trade. Pretty sick group of forwards. Best I have ever played with by far!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, that settles it then. Burke should just trade teams with Tampa.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 19, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

How long until they win their next Cup?

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha
“This was a move to solidify our defense,” said Paul Holmgren #Flyers

Bahahaha

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Pronger, Timmonen, Carle, Coburn.

Yeah, before Walker and Meszaros they really sucked.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jul 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Next year. Philly is rolling 3 lines and 9 defencemen.

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or they're trading someone up front.

I dunno… their forwards are still pretty ridiculous.

Briere-Leino-Hartnell
Richards-Van Reimsdyk-Carter
Giroux-Laperriere-Carcillo
Powe-Betts-Nodl/Shelley/Cote

They’ve got at least 10 solid forwards…

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot Zherdev.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

so 11? That’s fine for a competitive cup challenger.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 19, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

they still have over a mil in cap space too

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah for a team that made a couple of head scratching trades with TBL I’m pretty damn envious of their lineup.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we can forget about a Kaberle – Kings deal now.

In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"

by birky on Jul 19, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

why? the kings havnt done sweet fuck all

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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’ll probably resign Frolov now.

I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.

by SkinnyFish on Jul 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poni!

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

because missing out on Kovy means they probably don’t have a forward they are willing to give up.

In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"

by birky on Jul 19, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good for Tampa. Nice pick-up for a GM who wants the team to perform better in his first season as GM. Risk-free addition, very little out the door.

it’s quite amazing how slightly older star players are worth so little right now. Everybody wants that young core of players. .

by The Muppet on Jul 19, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

But no worries, we’re going to be able to pick up a first liner from somewhere…

by The '67 Sound on Jul 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have the King got any player that they’ve been associated with?…….No Kovulchuk, None of the high level UFA D-men, no Gagne?

Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 19, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

So much in cap space though. They’ll pick up a decent player through a trade or something, even if they have to do it midseason. If that fails they could be the NHL version of the Miami Heat next year.

A Nation of Masochists
1967 - Owning the drought since 2010

by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kings have been slowly building through the draft for years, not overpaying for UFAs often… they are extremely cap-conscious, it may eventually pay off big for them…. just not this offseason it seems.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 19, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

also

that video is freakin adorable

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

about time someone noticed

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 19, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes me hungry. Where’s PLAYOFFS! ? We need to cook us up some puppies

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by furcifer on Jul 19, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

kiss ass!

Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.

by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 19, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

what? its not her dog

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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 19, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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