Maple Leafs add Armstrong, Reaction Differs
by PPP on Jul 2, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintWhew, yesterday was a hell of a day. League-wide there was, according to TSN, over 100 years and a couple of hundred million dollars worth of deals signed. That's ridiculous. The Leafs were generally restrained which was a good thing. I listened to Dave Nonis on the radio on my drive in to Toronto and came away pretty impressed with their approach. He explained, as Burke had previously, that they had their list of targeted players as well as the price they were willing to pay. So throughout the day they dropped out of the bidding on particular players (he wouldn't identify them) as they went past their pre-determined cap. That's the good part.
The bad part is that they misread the market for Colby Armstrong. There is no other way to describe it when Armstrong himself said on TSN that he was surprised by the offer and that it was the most lucrative. At the end of the day, we all love the Leafs or we wouldn't be kicking around. So no one should get any hard feelings from disagreements. We'll get to see how this deal pans out once the season starts and then one side can rub the other's face in it. One bright side is that our goalies look pretty good and good goaltending can hide a variety of ills.
The Leafs have not addressed the Kaberle situation or the Finger conundrum or the Kovalchuk auction so there's still a lot of movement to be made with the roster.
Maple Leafs sign Colby Armstrong - Pension Plan Puppets
Reaction ranged from "Hooray we got one of my favourites" to "This is a terrible move" to "Well, it's a slight overpay but he'll make the team harder to play against" and everywhere in between.
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Poor Flames fans...
Colby Armstrong Signs With Maple Leafs | Toronto Mike's Blog
Mike doesn't mind the signing but notes the Leafs need goals.
Leafs Need More Offence " Maple Leafs Hot Stove
Hmm Leafs need goals. Let's wait for the Leafs to improve before saying Burke's worked miracles. He's made bold moves for sure but we'll see about miracles.
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This makes sense to me. Also, based on last year's ice-time, Boogaard will be paid around $4700 per minute. Alex Ovechkin gets paid about $5000. Think about that for a second.
Vintage Leaf Memories: Can this be like Litzenberger in ’61?
VLM remembers the last time the Leafs picked up a former Blackhawks Cup champion.
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Bob Murray is taking a page out of Burke's book and negotiating through the press.
Battle Of Ontario: THM's WTF moment
THM does not like seeing Volchenkov walk for $500K less than the $5.5M Gonchar will receive.
Senators sign Gonchar to three-year, $16.5M deal - Silver Seven
Pretty good analysis. Could work out since the Senators' defence contributes minimal offence but the risk of injury has to be worrisome.
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Olli Jokinen is back for another stint with the Flames; will the results be any better this time around?
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Weird, Rangers fans do not like this signing.
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The reaction from the readers is much more optimistic than John Fischer's. Sound familiar?
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Canucks fans are happy with Hamhuis and they should be. He now gives them one top pairing defenceman. We'll see how he does when he's not be protected by Shea Weber and Ryan Suter. Lots of money and attention for a local boy.
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Armstrong
I think I’ll grow to really like the player, but I think I’ll grow to really hate the 3 Million per year player.
I know they play different games but
If Armstrong can put up 40-45 points, as he has shown to have done in 2 different years, along with being a massive pain in the ass, then I could see him being a decent comparible to Grabbo in terms of contract. I think he gets time on the PK and maybe the 2nd PP unit, so adds some value, or at least in my mind it does. Plus, he is a good character guy in the room and could teach a guy like Kadri how to keep developing that pest-like game at the next level, which is always a plus. So yeah, about $500,000 too much, but i’ll live.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Armstrong, apparently, brings lots to the locker room. And we should get some pretty funny post-game interviews with some of the wierdos and goofballs that Burke keeps hiring.
But we should have also dramatically improved our penalty kill with the additions of Stop-Calling-Me-Verbeek, Armstrong and Brown. Versteeg may score more shorties than Wallin scored total points last year and the other two bring an element of nasty to the game while being able to do other functions. I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest Brown actually racks up 3 goals over the season.
Still too much money for Cheese-boy, but at least we didn’t sign Boogard or Jokinen and that makes me feel much better.
"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy
by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, I think that the attitude in the locker room will be a much different than last year.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Armstrong, apparently, brings lots to the locker room.
Ugh intangibles are nice, but you know what’s nicer? Scoring goals and winning godamn hockey games.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Agreed, but he wasn’t brought into be the solution to that issue, at least not entirely. If he is the only forward we pick up the rest of the summer then I’ll be right there with you, for now I’m waiting to make my judgment.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It's just the first day of Free Agency
I have to keep reminding myself that. There is a long number of months ahead and I am looking forward to see what Mr. Burke and co. have in store. Should be interesting. Nothing quite like Brian Burke Day, but a few small but important moves wouldn’t at all surprise me.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It's just the first day of Free Agency
but, except for Kovalchuk, I don’t see much out there that I’d want to see on Leafs next season (or, let’s say, beyond next season … but I doubt we’ll see a lot of one-year contracts out of UFA market) . The trade route seems more promising (please let it not be Ribiero). Guys like Torres interest me not one bit.
"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy
by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect trades
It’s what Burke has said from the start and I don’t think that he has veered off the beaten path of his plan so far, aside for maybe paying Armstrong a slight bit too much. All in all I think good things have happened and it’s not over yet, I expect even better things to come.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm, guys? Armstrong was 4th on a middling ATL PK, and had pretty poor PK stats. We’re not getting Bob Gainey here.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk brings a lot of goals. To the ice.
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more accurately the back of the net
the other teams net
but its not a goal scoring competition
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
How in the heck
are the two related?
Compare Armstrong to another $3M-or-so free agent who is primarily a scorer. Oh, Jokinen! Yeah, I would’ve loved him at $3M.
………
I still don’t love Armstrong’s contract, but if that’s who they wanted, that’s what they had to pay. The idea that we were (are) in on Kovalchuk is a real stretch, so to place Colby Armstrong in the dark, Kovalchuk in the light, and say “Burke picked the dark side!” strikes me as odd.
On the other hand, we only had 9 forwards under contract at the start of free agency. We had to sign someone and I just don’t see a whole lot of other good $2-$4M suggestions on these boards.
The better suggestion is to sign no one, hold your cap space, and use it down the road when someone inevitably suffers buyer’s remorse and wants to unload a big contract a la Phaneuf.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
BINGO !!!!1
"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy
by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Armstrong might make a contribution to the 2nd PK unit (he was 4th in SH/TOI in Atlanta in 2009-10 and 7th among ATL forwards in 2008-09).
He hasn’t shown anything to indicate he makes much of a contribution on the PP.
10th in PP TOI among Atlanta forwards in 2009-10 and 9th in 2008-09. His PP scoring rates/60 are also nothing to write home about: 2.34 pts/60 is worse than Kessel’s 2.84. And I think we’ve seen plenty of Kessel on the PP to know what that looks like.
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One of the hardest things (or most overlooked perhaps) is how good a fwd players on the PK unit… could have been a reason Burke liked him – to address our brutal PK? Yes it was much much better post-Phaneuf trade, but maybe he’s not willing to settle for average…
Seems like a hell of a price to pay to improve it though.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Agreed. I was very impressed with Sjostrom’s play on the PK. He also seemed to help elevate Wallin’s game. Perhaps Armstrong can make a contribution to PK2, the Leafs certainly need to improve their special teams play.
Seems like a hell of a price to pay to improve it though.
This.
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Agreed
I asked this question yesterday – but it was late:
What does Armstrong have to do to come close to being worth his contract?
Jared said when he did his Grabovski comparison, it looked like 3 million got you about 40 points.
Is that the baseline we shoot for?
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Overpaid
At least he didn’t get a godamn NTC.
Still so unsure about this signing. I’ll be honest, I haven’t really seen him play much. He could end up being a great PKer, great energy line guy.
I can’t rationalize this is any way that he’s not overpaid though. Sigh. If we can get away with only 1 bonehead overpaid signing… i’ll still consider it a mediocre success.
Versteeg trade gets a B.
Armstrong signing gets a D.
Overall Burke gets a C so far.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Versteeg trade gets an A from me, we gave up practically nothing for a proven 20 goal top 6 forward with some defensive upside.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I may have bias, I did like Stalberg…. not now, but he could be a decent speedy winger in a few years. Chicago didn’t get nothing back.
Versteeg is obviously an improvement, hands down though. Gets a B.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
The piece I am most saddened by giving up
Is Dido. But I am saddened in giving him up for non-hockey-playing reasons, so I try not to let this cloud my judgement. I also give it a B
DiDom was a great and inspiring story
To come back from those injuries not once, but twice.
I still think he’s a long-shot to break a top 6 role, but he’ll definitely get the chance.
Versteeg was definitely not free – but in terms of icing a competitive team, it was a necessary step to give up a few lottary tickets (prospects) to get him. I doubt TOR was the only team feeding offers, too.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
There it is folks
Incompetence summed up in one picture:
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
9 NTC's. So he can't even clear cap space.
Wuh wuh.
As for Ian White, probably the best piece they got back for Phaneuf? Yeah, they don’t even have the money to keep him.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
BRING BACK THE MUSTACHULENCE?!!1
If only he wasn’t an RFA…
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s an RFA, but his mustache is a UFA, and it’s currently listening to offers. I think we should sign it and put it on Schenn.
by NinjasFromSpace on Jul 2, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
If this were possible
I would sign it and put it on the player of the week. Every week.
What a motivational tool!
Like I said last night, I’m not crazy about the Armstrong deal. I’m not exactly sure what he brings to the team and he’s overpaid by at least 750K. That said, he’s the only bottom six player on the Leafs making more than 1 million per season (for the moment, DON’T YOU DO IT BURKE). I can live with it.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
More or less my outlook
I actually wanted Armstrong/Torres, I just didn’t want to pay this much. I was hoping for 2.25.
Look I understand ppl are upset with the signing, but I really think they were being melodramatic last night. Using terms like ‘handcuffing’ the leafs, and ‘terrible’ signing.
Exactly
I saw at least one “Fuck you Burke” and some people absolutely hate this deal. It’s a bit surprising. He’s overpaid by 500k-1M, depending on who you ask, but this is based on his stats last year. I tend not to blame him for not enjoying playing in a dead market for a lousy team that just last year lost its only true superstar. I think this, more than anything else, is the reason for the decline in his play. He had the opportunity to re-up in Atlanta. I think we all know why he didn’t.
Say he’s overpaid, dislike the player, your opinion is yours and I’m fine with that. Just remember that he is paid 3 million a year for what he will do over the next 3 years, not based on how he performed last year.
I think it’s far too easy to be negative and pessimistic on each and every deal, because then the onus is on the player/GM to prove us wrong. Isn’t this the Cox/Berger approach?
In Burke We Trust
Who’s being negative on every deal? I applauded the Versteeg deal (and many other Burke moves) but my opinion is the Armstrong deal sucks. We’re all free to differ and we all hope he does well.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think we’re all pretty happy with the Versteeg deal. Personally I think he’s a good pickup: a young player who didn’t have the chance to succeed.
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Versteeg is a different element
As he cost us next to nothing, and is cost controlled. I completely understand differing views, I just don’t understand the hatred of the deal. This move alone does not hamstring the club from success. I’d be looking more at the deals for Komisarek and Beauchemin.
In Burke We Trust
If I had to overpay someone I’d overpay a guy like Komisarek who we need to play a shutdown role.
We’d be fine without Colby Armstrong.
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This move alone does not hamstring the club
As I posted earlier, how many of these over-payment deals can one team sustain? The Leafs have close to $9M in dead cap space because of paying “a little bit too much.”
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I take issue with your Giguere addition in there, fyi
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Why you gotta be like that and make me cry?
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technically we’re only overpaying Giguere 2 million because we swapped him for Jason Blake’s contract
In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"
What about ToskaLOL?
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Will re-sign in Calgary for $1.5M/season.
BOOK IT.
Sell THAT one to your fanbase, Sutter.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
A. We have the cap space and Giguere’s deal goes away this year.
2. Giguere was useful as a goalie and in getting rid of Toskala
iv, JS Giguere is a nice guy.
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That reminded me of Buzz in Home Alone.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m ok with Giggy. He’s off the books at the end of this year, and we arent winning the cup this year. He made it possible to lose Toskala. Win Win.
We had shutdown guys. Schenn is exactly that. Once we lose Kaberle, our defensive point totals dwindle to jack shit. Phaneuf was brought in to fill that role also. Gunner is also considered a shutdown defenseman. How many do we need?
In Burke We Trust
Komi was brought in to mentor Schenn, as well as shelter him.
We did not know about Gunner when we signed Komi and Beauchemin.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I just think guys like Colby Armstrong are a dime a dozen. Armstrong in my mind is one of the more overrated bangers.
We could have found someone to put up 30 points and throw one hit a game on the Marlies.
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LOADS of character though
In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"
Kovy is allergic to winning because Atlanta sucks but Colby Armstrong will srpinkle magic “character” dust in our room…
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
FYI
If somehow When we sign Kovy, and he publicly states that the Armstrong signing in any way helped make his decision to sign in TOR, I will immediately and forever be the biggest cheerleader for the signing.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
these overly sarcastic comments are at the root of what I think Kohma was getting at.
You can have your opinion, but you don’t need to be an ass about it
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause you’re never sarcastic, blurr? Come on, we’re just having a little fun.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i know when a dead horse has been beaten…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe lay off, then
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on, like no one else beats a dead horse? I’m not going to stop making jokes because blurr disagrees with me.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
/sigh
this isn’t about you, there are plenty of people who do it.
It’s not about making jokes, it’s about being overly sarcastic and there are many people here who do it.
But when people start getting annoyed by the constant repeat of a certain point or harsh statement, you should lay off. It’s called social skills.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Give me a break. blurr’s was the first “lay off” comment and I did, trying to adopt a light tone, twice. Then you came in and piled on, which I didn’t appreciate.
I’m hardly the most negative or most sarcastic person around these parts, yet almost daily I get you sniping at me. Please lay off.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pointing out that you only think this is addressed to you because he replied to you.
It is not.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yet almost daily I get you sniping at me
You don’t like me, fine. Just leave me alone please.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No no, it’s important for people who think character is a complete waste of time to identify themselves. Hi characterless folks!
by not norm ullman on Jul 2, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Where? I can’t see anyone. Sooooooo….. free of identifying characteristics.
by not norm ullman on Jul 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Character matters but is very hard for outsiders to identify and is very team specific. Phaneuf was poison in Calgary but is our captain. I think most of the “character” stuff is nonsense made up by reporters.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Go dog go
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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You got more of that? I love that book. Maaaaaan…..
by not norm ullman on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
spolier alert I Was trying to find a picture of the crazy hat the pink dog has at the end of the book, this was all I could find.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atXIKI2XHj4
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Ok, that hurt me. Not like in, “groin pull injury” mind you, but still. Disabled list…. 3 weeks minimum.
by not norm ullman on Jul 2, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Character, Shmaracter
In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"
Character never scored a fucking goal for me
In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"
Wendel Clark was the #1 overall draft pick and had a 46 goal season.
In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"
Clarke had both the work ethic AND the talent.
In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"
I find terms like “work ethic” to be somewhat intangible. You got a metric for that? I’d need to put Wendel on a scale from Alexei Yashin to Bobby Clarke.
by not norm ullman on Jul 2, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way to measure “work ethic” is in units of Wendel Clarke.
For instance, Alex Kovalev has 0.000249 Wendel Clarke’s of work ethic.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
I like it. From Yashin to Wendel.
Or did Toskala break the Yashin-barrier last year?
by not norm ullman on Jul 2, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Toskala has less work ethic than a stoned Kyle Wellwood.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was putting it into terms you’d understand. No stats, you know?
In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"
Yeah yeah, that’s me. No stats….
I just think you need a new hat to cheer you up. That, and Kovalchuk.
by not norm ullman on Jul 2, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all in jest
And I get that.
Kovy has been described as selfish and undisciplined, and one-dimensional. I’d love his points totals adding up for us, but I dread a line featuring him and Kessel. They’d play from the net to the bench only.
In Burke We Trust
Kessel back checked like a madman last year.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Kessel and Kovalchuk play on the same line because they’re both shooters.
That’s what would be amazing: rolling two lines with 35+ goal threats makes it really hard for other teams to shut our offense down.
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Counterpoint
Averaged 46 Goals per year since the lockout.
Averaged.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Towel, stat!
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
You have got to be kidding me...
Report: Blue Jackets could sacrifice Filatov for Canucks’ Bieksa
Apparently the Blue Jackets are trying to put together some kind of deal to bring in Bieksa and the Jackets are thinking of dumping Filatov. Seriously guys, I can’t see why we couldn’t put together a package that would be of AT LEAST equal value to Bieksa and perhaps something even more meaty in order to get a couple of nice prospects out of the grasp of Gillis.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 8:23 AM EDT reply actions
Saw that
I’d love a talent like Filitov… but there’s a good reason he’s been made available. He’s using the KHL as leverage and he probably will his entire career if he doesn’t get what he wants (in terms of playing time, salary demands, etc.)
If anyone is ready to take a hard stance against guys like that, it’s Burke. I doubt Leafs end up chasing this.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Scott Howson would be fired.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
ahhhahahah. Likely.
It would change the market for Kaberle and the asking price.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
especially since bieksa blows
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
So then in that case
Finger for Filatov? It’s a terrible contract for a headcase who we will have a hard time signing. I think it’s only fair ;)
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I really think that only one of Kaberle and Finger will be gone by next season.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, he’s not being dealt for a top 6 forward anytime soon.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be perfectly happy to just see him gone and roll with that seriously deep D-core for an entire year. It’s good too because it shelters Holzer, Miikus, etc. who might have had to step up otherwise in that case.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, I have no problem with his abilities, and maybe he plays well enough that someone will want to acquire him at the deadline to add some depth.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if he wasn’t splitting time with Excelby last year Finger would a bit move moveable. If he slots in as a 6th D thats fine by me if it makes him marketable.
I’d trade Finger for Filatov even if it meant Filatov never played a game for us.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
There was a preseason game last year where the bluejackets came to Boston. I went (because what else was I going to do and they make you buy the tickets). At one faceoff, Filatov ended up standing next to Chara. Hilarious.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Goodness me
Bieksa is TERRIBLE
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Come now
At least he’s not SOB.
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SOB is WAY better than Bieksa.
Seriously.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no issue with Armstrong or his play; just the expectations of that contract bring. It makes him overpaid for bottom 6, because he’s not a top 6 talent. I’m sure if we get 15-20 goals out of him (a season, not the whole contract) it will ease people’s reservations of him. Holy crap if we could get him to screen goalies or such on the PP! Oh wait…is Keith Acton still the special teams coach, nevermind.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions
Yea, I understand the frustration and agree with a lot of it. At the end of the day though I’ll wait until he plays a few games to pass judgment.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I like Armstrong. I think he fits well on the team’s bottom 6. I think we overpaid is all. I’d rather Burke didn’t have to overpay, but that’s the hockey market for you. Players ain’t cheap, especially UFAs
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, PPP, but
when you say: There is no other way to describe it when Armstrong himself said on TSN that he was surprised by the offer and that it was the most lucrative.
I’m not sure that’s accurate, because if you check out Rick Dudley’s interview on the FAN590, 7 minutes in. The more money. “They [his people] were much above where they actually signed for. At some point in time they decided the Leafs were a good fit.” So that begs the question – did Armstrong lower his demands in order to sign with the Leafs? Looks like it.
http://www.fan590.com/ondemand/media.jsp?content=20100701_185808_2212
dang, I hate when I thought I deleted a sentence
and i didn’t. so the entire post is confusing. BLAH.
What I meant was Colby appears to have dropped his asking price to sign with the Leafs so being ‘surprised’ by their huge offer seems strange to me. Maybe he was surprised they wanted to sign him and you are mistaken?
by the cat's meow on Jul 2, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on the player, his leverage, his RFA/UFA status, previous contract, and how he performed in his contract year. Way too many variables to establish any sort of idea if 25% is a “common” raise.
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cap rules
dictate that the average player is certainly not getting a 25% raise every year.
I have no data to back it up, but anecdotally, I’d say i think we’re seeing a return of the middle class in the NHL. The cap had the initial effect of making two-tiers of players…elite guys making huge coin, and a disproportionate number of guys makign around $1M or under. Think Pittsburgh about 2 years ago.
Now, every team seems to have these $3-$5M useful but overpaid players again — which for te record, are just as much a cap killer, en masse, as blowing your load on a max contract to Alexei Yashin.
I’ll wait and see what he looks like on the ice, but I’m just pissed because it’s going to be exceeedingly difficult for Armstrong to ever outperform this deal. And I’m firmly in the camp that teams that have the most outperformers tend to win. Yes, Chicago just won a Cup with multiple boat anchor contracts, but I’d argue they won despite that, not because.
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Chew on this one
He turned down offers from LA and Atlanta for more money to come to Toronto. Think about that one for a moment.
Just saying.
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by torleafsfan29 on Jul 2, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
MAKING ROOM FOR KOVALCHUK?
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
hold on
the Kings would pay Armstrong $4 mill/year but they wont play Kovalchuk $10 mill?
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
FA Strategy
I find it interesting that attempting to sign FA D-man to boost Kaberle’s trade value. That’s a crazy plan. Really glad that we didn’t end up signing anyone, could have turned out extremely poorly.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:49 AM EDT reply actions
That’s the plan that destined to just fall flat on it’s face.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on all the rumours that TOR was in the mix for a number of the D-men (especially Hamhuis), I’m just glad that we had a limit on how high (and how long a term) we were willing to pay… and realized his demands were higher.
Good luck in Van, Hamhuis.
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Maybe
Burke was just bidding up the asking price on the FA defencemen to screw over everyone elses cap?
Sounds like something he would do.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I read that somewhere last night. Supposedly Burke was making an offer on both Hamhuis and Martin in the hopes that one of them could help replace Kaberle on the blue line, and drive up Kabby’s value.
Think it was a Cox article. See if I can find the link…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
here it is
Burke’s plan, you should know, was to try to sign either Martin or Hamhuis. He had an offer into Martin, in fact, one minute after the noon hour on Thursday. But both defencemen chose other offers — let me see, play on the power play with Nikolai Kulemin or Sidney Crosby? — and that sideswiped Burke’s hope that by signing one or the other himself he’d improve Kaberle’s trade value even more.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who’s not seen Ryan Lambert(@twolinepass) “React” to the Jokinen signing really should. He went nuts.
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I don’t know if the Jokinen or Boogaard signing was my favorite.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The flames also signed noted healthy scratch Ivanans (Who ought to be rediculously old by now, but i guess that’s the flames schtick.)
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Oh really? hahahahahahhaaha
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Boogaard more overpaid, but Jokinen defintely more hilarious.
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14 points in 225 games.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
As a Minnesota Wild fan, I think the Boogaard signing was funnier, honestly.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t the wild actually sign a worthwhile player? Unlike the rangers?
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Matt Cullen and Eric Nystrom are actual hockey players, at least.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
3.5 per year on cullen though, nyyyang!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Derek Boogaard has had a negative GVT for the past couple seasons. He is literally worse than your average AHL scrub callup.
And making 1.65 million/year.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
his skating makes brayden iriwn look like elvis stojko
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Also Cullen is gonna be the second-line center there. Not too too shabby.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Poor Minnesota if Cullen is being considered a 2nd line center. He has never shown the skills to be a 2nd line center (except maybe in 20 game stretches in contract years … see: Ottawa Senators). Never hit 50 points even in the Carolina years when he was getting massive powerplay point time. But then, of course, in Minnesota Belanger was considered a 2nd line center too.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Minnesota is a bad team. Letting Boogaard walk is a start, though.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
But he’s the best fighter to appear at MSG in years.
"My country is the world, my religion to do good" - Thomas Paine
Yeah, except he never fights because no one’s stupid enough to fight him.
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Pretty much, yeah. 9 whole fights each for the last 2 years.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
No faith in Colton, eh?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
colton is just crazy enough to fight boogard and smile about it after
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Assuming he doesn’t get Fedoruked.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Orr doesnt get Fedoruked
he does the fedoruking
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Rec’d.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Orr didn’t break his orbital bone though, just knocked him out.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
don't make me Carkner this peice
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
That’s a rec
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec’d for sheer awesomeness.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Some classics include:
“question: do GMs ever have to go through team-mandated physicals? you’d think one would have found that darryl sutter is literally retarded. "
“well. i don’t usually swear on here, but in this case i feel it’s warranted: what in the tapdancing fuck are you doing, darryl sutter? "
“every time you say “sather couldn’t possibly make a stupider move,” he makes one as if to say told ya so "
and of course
“i just opened my blinds on the off chance that it would help a sniper on a nearby rooftop trying to get a perfect shot to put one in my head "
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha, seriously wtf is he doing?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Matchsticks and gasoline wasn’t much better. Though instead of blind rage it was more like “WTF”
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Yea, Tanguay was bad, but it was a one year potential pump and dump.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Tanguay – Joikenin – Igninla
the 4 years ago line
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked the Tanguay move
If we were 2 years further into development I’d do it.
No doubt his last year was bad, and the 2 previous not great (way better than 1.7 mil though), but its a good gamble at 1 year 1.7 mil.
If you guys weren't following
along on twitter with the #SutterAnnouncements hashtag… all I can say it wow. I was laughing so damn hard.
Especially this one afterwards:
@theactivestick My favourite thing about the #SutterAnnouncements hashtag is that even the most hilarious people on Twitter couldn’t top reality.
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In other news, a historic event has occured.
Darcy signed a UFA. An actual UFA. On July 1st. For more than NHL min. This is literally the first time it has ever happened.
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bullshit
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I assure you, i am just as confused as you are. Was darcy replaced by an alien? Did Jordan Leopold’s agent hold him at gunpoint?
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Apparently Thomas Vanek was instrumental in getting Leopold to sign. Go ATV!
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Boychuk shoulda finished the job.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
This indicates that we still have awesome thomas vanek and not emo thomas vanek. Two more months to go!
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Maybe we can send him the latest dashboard (or whatever emo the kids are listening to these days) album, get that fixed right up.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
How many overpays can one team have?
I’m curious to know how many contracts are “overpays” on the Leafs and by how much.
By my best guess/talking out of my ass here:
Armstrong: $750K to $1M
Phaneuf: $1.5M+
Gigeuere: $3M+
Komisarek: $1.5M
Finger $1M
Tucker $1M
I’m sure there’s more.
That’s $9M that could be spent, I would hope better, elsewhere.
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Giggy doesnt really count. We took him on to give us cap flexibility, and be more useful than Toskala / Blake. He contract is done this year, and I highly doubt he will return next year (and if he does, it will be for much less money).
Very true
But to leave him out of the team analysis on which players are overpaid would be overlooking a big component of our cap situation.
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I’d love to create a metric to measure cap overpays vs. under-paid. I realize it would be very subjective, but it would be great to see if it revealed anything about how the so-called better clubs manage their cap.
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presumably
GVT per $ would come pretty close.
meaning, how much do you contribute to your team winning a hockey game, and how much are you paid to do so?
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GVT/$ works on a team basis; the way the stat is calculated the Team GVT always reflects the team’s overall differential. But on a player by player basis you have to look much more closely at who’s getting tough minutes, who’s sheltered, who’s making those around him better, who’s riding coattails, etc.
For example, Marc-Andre Bergeron (PP specialist, soft minutes) consistently has a higher GVT than Volchenkov (PK specialist, tough minutes). But we all know who is better.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
it would come closest, though. GVT is going to be unfair to shutdown guys. But if one were so inclined, one could find a way to cross-reference it against more league-wide stuff like CORSI or QUALCOMP to come up with a rudimentary “who leads the league in dollars per win-effect” stat.
I am not so inclined :)
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Yeah, the holy grail would be to come up with a metric for adjusting GVT for qualcomps, etc.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
The further you distance your stats from the actual game, the harder it is to understand what they actually mean.
In baseball, you can put together formulas for how hits and pitching and defense directly turn into runs, runs prevented, and wins. Hockey doesn’t work that way, so we shouldn’t get too sold on derivative statistics.
I’d love to see it, but I’d be suspicious.
Assuming we ignore potential bonuses (due to the bonus cushion)
and just use base salary?
In terms of their “contribution” to the team (not point-production)
I’d argue that Gustavsson @ $1.4M, Sjostrom at $700k, Bozak at $875k (ELC), Schenn @875K (ELC), Gunnarsson @ 800k (ELC)
I’d put Orr, Versteeg, Grabbo, and maybe even Kessel in the “At market value” category.
Kaberle could be considered market-value, or slightly under depending on who you ask.
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if Kessel gets near 40-30 next year he is out performing his contract
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
based on this year
Gustavsson, Gunnarsson, Kulemin and (this is a stretch) Bozak?
but yeah, not much.
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versteeg is probably overpaid by about .5-1 mil just because of the circumstances of his contract, but he is likely to live up to and surpass his dollar value
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is probably pretty accurate.
But make Finger’s 1.5 (we want him to play 5/6 minutes).
Now someone should do an analysis on recent successful teams (Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh, etc) and see there over payment.
Followed bya number oif bargains
Other than detriot, which had some significant hometown discounts, both Chicago and Pitt had a lot of ELCs.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
And they also had some bad contracts
Campbell, Huet.
And guys like Zetterberg on their first deal (3 ish million) before he got his big raise. Parise would be a similar example. These guys are also important. Not just ELCs.
If you look at Philly, they had a bunch of ’em.
Philadelphia was had a lot of “overpayment”.
Honestly, and Im not disputing the history, but I think this whole “Young guy massively Outperforms ELC, team wins cup” thing is going to come to an end. I think its as much a result of GMs not knowing how to deal with the cap post lockout as anything.
I think we will start to see teams win who have a highly (over?)paid core group (PITT, CHI, DET, LA), surrounded by a group of effective role players, win Cups year after year. EDM and NYI aren’t going to beat PITT and CHI because of their ELCs.
Or just go way over the cap. That seemed to work ok for chicago, except that they’ve already had to lose HALF THEIR TEAM.
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if the Leafs could win the cup, I would gladly watch burke have to sell off half the team the summer after
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
CHI will be back. Aside from Versteeg, they haven’t really lost anybody integral (just role players).
And Chicago never had to be in this situation, there was a massive f**kup a few years back, combined with a 5mil backup goalie.
Not that Versteeg was the best guy on the team, I just think they should have done more to keep him. Should have shelled out picks for someone to take Huet.
Instead they have a ton of picks.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
No one will trade for huet. Not even Huet + 1 for nothing.
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If I were the Isles or Edmonton
I’d make that trade.
They’re doing the tank-for-picks mantra anyway, may as well grab another 1st, play a goalie who will guarantee them another top 5 pick.
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rofl. Neither can afford to pay him six million, though.
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Seriously, it’s LA bidding against LA at this point, and they clearly don’t want him that much. I’m thinking whoever tweeted that this is a mgmt vs. Lombardi thing is bang on the money.
Burke could soooo easily dive in and sweep Kovy off his feet. There is no massive bidding war going on here. Get it done before more teams realize they can have him relatively cheap if they just move some contracts.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
KOVALCHUK!!!1
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
LA don’t want to overpay him, destroy their cap and end up where Chicago are. They’re going to have to pay Doughty next year and the numbers don’t fit for them.
I think a lot of this is Kovalchuk over-valuing himself. Unless he realises that there isn’t any desire to give him what he’s asking for, this could develop into a long-term standoff.
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The longer this goes I think the the better Burke’s hypothetical 5yr ~$8M deal looks.
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Yea, let’s hope Stretch Armstrong and he was BFF.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
or maybe Kovalchuck hated Armstrong and part of armstrongs deal was that he has to be kovy’s slave and do what ever he says
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Even better.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
just made myself
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Calgary
I was thinking this last night, this Iginla situation really mirrors the Leafs in the mid-90’s. He’s their Wendel Clark. Obviously the two are different players but the idea is the same. They should really be trying to ship him out for some young talent and assets. It obviously wouldn’t be a popular decision but he still has value and could net a high return. Instead their cupboards are practically bare, they are re-signing Jokinen and deluding themselves into thinking they can be contenders.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
They should trade Kiprusoff. He’s actually got way more value.
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Yea, basically my point is they need to face facts and get some assets back while they can. I know a salary cap world is different, but they are coming off missing the playoffs and a series of first round exits. We had just made two consecutive trips to the conference finals, that deal took some guts.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
If somebody wanted an old, top-flight goalie, with a big cap hit, on their team right now, they would just sign Nabokov and not give up any assets.
yeah, the goalie market is a buyers market
Iginla would fetch a premium though
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
This.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
As he should
If I was Iginla, and they just brought back fucking Oli Jokinen, I’d be demanding a fucking trade.
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As fast as you can say WTF Sutter.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Iginla for Thomas. DO IT SUTTER
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
more like Iginla for savard even sutter isnt dumb enough to bring in another goa…
oh wait i just realized I typed “sutter isnt dumb enough” and that pretty much makes any statement void as false
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on come on come on come on
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. How is ownership okay with him doing this? Do they really think that adding a few players will put his team up with the rest of the West? Vancouver got better, L.A. will be better, San Jose, Colorado, what the hell is he doing? It’s like he’s the Captain of the Titanic or something.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if Sutter really did try to get Savard despite his NTC and Savard nixed it.
Not a horrible idea to try to get a centre for Iggy… but wow his plan B of re-signing Jokinen just is beyond words right now.
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From what I heard, he had the offer in at 12:01 for Jokinen.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, but the trade for savard was nixed before 11:00, so he had a whole hour to make stupid offers to old Flames players
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tampering!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s like he’s hammered and calling all his ex-girlfriends for a booty-call.
Jokinen’s new nickname is Booty-Call.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
“Hello? Yeah it’s he. Uh huh. Sure ok to where? Calgary? Heh. Uh. … Man am I glad I have that no trade clause. Yep. Bye.”
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Ha ha. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
His moves lately are clearly a cry for help. WHY WON’T ANYBODY HELP HIM.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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BB helped. He traded for that horrible Phaneuf guy that was taking up cap space he could use to sign people.
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Re. five top D-man signings. Corsi stats from behind the net, salaries from capgeek, TOI from nhl.com, GVT from Awad. Check back in 2 years to see how I did:
Gonchar, 3 yrs, $5.5MM (36): Aging and injury prone (87 GP last 2 years). GVT/82 last two years of 17.0, so still very effective when healthy. “Efficient salary” (GVT/82 divided by 3.5) of $4.8MM. Plays 2nd pair minutes at EV against modest competition with middling to poor corsi stats. Leads team in PP and PK TOI. This may work out well for Ottawa for a year, perhaps even two, but is almost certain to be a millstone before it is over given Gonchar’s age and injury history. A bad overpayment on a team that is not good enough to contend and needs to get younger, not older. They are the Leafs of 4-5 years ago; painful as it is they should be trading Alfredsson for a king’s ransom and re-building with youth.
Paul Martin, 5 yrs, $5MM (29): still fairly young, solid two-way performer. GVT/82 of 11.8, so he’s a legit first pair guy. Efficient salary of $3.4MM. Looking at 2008-09 rather than injury shortened 2009-10, played against decent competition, but benefited from offensive zonestarts. Solid corsis. Team leader in TOI at ES, PK and PP. Was much more sheltered this year on return from injury, but no reason forearm fracture should not heal fully. This is an overpayment; Goligoski and Letang should be able to fill in for Gonchar offensively, and Michalek covers the defensive aspect. This team is now virtually out of cap space and desperately short of offensive talent beyond their three centres. I would have gone shopping for a bargain veteran like Ray Whitney or Vinnie Prospal. Alex Steen also would not have been a bad option.
Zbynek Michalek, 5 yrs, $4MM (27): Very solid defensive D-man with some offensive abilities. GVT/82 of 5.4, durable. Efficient salary of $1.6MM, but this undervalues defensive specialists. Plays tough minutes with weak teammates; excellent corsi rel QoC. Leads team in PK, ES and total TOI, and 4th in PP TOI. Basically, he’s a slightly better version of Mike Komisarek in virtually every way; better offensively, better defensively, better contract, more durable. A bit of an overpayment as most UFAs are, but fills a definite need for Pittsburgh.
Dan Hamhuis, 6 yrs, $4.5MM (27): This is a guy who benefited from playing behind Weber and Suter, who took the tough minutes. GVT/yr of 7.6, and he’s durable. Efficient salary of $2.2MM. Surprisingly for a guy with a defensive reputation, enjoyed the softest zonestart on his team. Led the team in PK TOI, 3rd in ES and total. The problem with this signing is that he’s now being paid like a top pair guy, which he is not. Basically they’ve replaced Willie Mitchell with a guy making $1MM more and not noticeably better, and they still don’t have a stud D-man. This is a team that should have overpaid for Gonchar given the talent in place.
Anton Volchenkov, 6 yrs, $4.25MM (27): Another tough minutes guy who played with weak teammates, with excellent corsi stats. GVT/82 of 4.6, efficient salary of $1.3, but throw that out for a guy who plays tough minutes like Volchenkov. He really protected guys like Campoli, Karlsson and even Kuba. No offensive game to speak of, trailed only Phillips in PK and ES TOI. On the one hand, he’s generally acknowledged to be a better version of Komisarek, and is making less (though for a longer term). On the other hand, that’s still an awful lot for a one-dimensional D-man, and an awfully long term for one who is injury prone and plays a very physical game. This is also baffling cap management for a team whose top 4 D-men make $13.5MM and last year had only 60 points combined (only 10 more than Gonchar posted in 62 games). Andy Greene is the only guy with any semblance of puck-moving skills, and he’s only had one good year. Burdened with terrible contracts like Rolston and Arnott, with a seriously aging roster, and with a gaping hole for an offensive D-man, this was also a much more logical destination for Gonchar. New Jersey desperately needs Kaberle now, but I seriously do not see how they have the pieces to get him; other than the untouchable Parise and Zajac, their only valuable assets are Tedenby and Josefson, who don’t fit Burke’s demand for Top 6-ready players.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
FanShot that shit!
This is interesting, and should be read by more people.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
/fapfapfapfap
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
2 years no cash dollars yet
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Everytime a player signs for more than Kaberle it makes me happy.
I doubt Kubina gets more than $4.25 though. Although I shouldn’t be surprised given all the d-man signings yesterday.
More surprising than the $ figures the players got was the term. 5-6 years each, wow.
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Tampa is looking dangerous.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope so, I kinda like that team a little bit.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed, they have some good young talent
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I just hate that we always seemed to lose to them even in the late 90s and early 00s.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Competent GM + Talent = win.
Leafs have the first part… now we just need some talent.
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Good for him.
Kaberle’s value just went up again.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
/Rick Fair WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
His strut and Woo is one of my patented dance-floor moves.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That strut
is my favourite post-exam move ever. I just hand in my paper and then get out in the hall and WOO!
Classic.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate to sound like an idiot but if these Bobby Ryan negotiations fall apart does Kaberle to Anaheim start to make sense?
I’d say that a GM publicly saying “we offered five mil” in the media is the start of a standoff. Burke drafted Ryan…
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That make sense, but we’ll need to sweeten the cuss out of that deal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Jeez, why did you start this Chemmy? It isn’t gonna happen.
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It might be a more feasible possibility now. It would be starter. I wonder what we would need to add in on that.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
well lets just say it sounds LESS crazy
didn’t the ducks get one of the UFA d men?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
also Fowler and etem
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
They got Toni “Always takes delay of game penalty with 2 minutes left but is otherwise amazing” Lydman
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ah yes
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
And Saku Koivu. Totally not signing tons of Finnish players to convince a certain Finnish Flash to not retire. Totallllllly.
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Soooo they’re going to want Toskala back?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
If anything happens it includes Schenn or Kadri.
Would not be ecstatic about that.
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Have you seen Bobby Ryan play?
Kaberle and our 2012 first?
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love Schenn
but id trade him for bobby ryan
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha let's keep mortgaging the future!
But seriously I’d totally take that.
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I have seen him play. It would take A LOT to pry him out of Anaheim
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Done and done. I’d give up Schenn for him in a heartbeat.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t this technically blasphemy?
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Sacrificing OLAS would fit right in with his messiah shtick.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
and then, thy Luke and Saviour was sacrificed to the sun gods so the offense could be resurrected
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
We might be doing Schenn a solid there
Because we all know that any young players we trade away end up becoming amazing.
Tuukka fucking Rask
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
bobby fucking Ryan
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Not arguing
Ryan could be a 50 goal scorer eventually given the right circumstances.
Just saying it would guarantee Schenn a long and Hall-of-Fame career just to fucking spite us.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but right now, and for the next few years
the Leafs need a ryan like player a lot more than they need a schenn like player
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as Ryan keeps holding
There’s hope!
But let’s be serious here guys, focus: Kovalchuk
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
err holding out
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, if Burke can get Kovalchuck then ryan becomes a no-go
hell anything with a salary not on an ECL becomes a no-go
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
My question is what the hell is IK asking for…..what he got from Atlanta?, if he’s asking for 8 mil, i’m sure LA would sign him already
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Ya the fact he didn’t immediately sign in LA almost worries me. Does he really think an NHL team can/will offer him league max? Like, without the long-tail cap-circumventing structure?
KHL bro. They got what you need.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe LA is lowballing? they might be offering 7 flat for 3 years or something?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
but then people wouldn’t be saying: “Kovulchuk overplayed his hand”
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yeah, but that is speculation, he might have, he might not have
LA might be trying to weaken his standpoint
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be hilarious if they were low-balling
Scare the other teams away with this supposed “massive lucrative offer” and then lowball the shit out of him now that they were the only team talking with him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
That Anaheim blueline
Would look pretty good for the future with Schenn and Fowler, along with kaberle and whoever else could come along as a UFA
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
honestly
considering our relative excess on D, i’d rather trade Schenn than another 1st. I can’t deal with it.
Kaberle and Kadri might make more sense (since Kadri’s a projected scoring forward, and we’d theoretically be getting a scoring forward several years further on the development curve) but i don’t know if I’m comfortable with that
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Ryan wants the right deal. He wants a 4 year deal around 5.5 million that will take him to free agency. Anaheim wants to either lock him up for 3 and thus he’ll be an rfa again, or they resign him for less money.
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Makes more than sense
I’d trade Schenn and Kaberle and Kadri for Bobby Ryan’s rights in a heart beat.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
woah
all 3? I would say Shenn, Kaberle, and like Stefanovich or something.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Schenn is replaceable. He’s young and has promise, but he’s way down on the depth chart behind Komisarek and Phaneuf now.
Bobby Ryan would instantly be the best player in the NE and top 5 in the East behind Malkin, Crosby and Ovechkin.
He’s really, really good.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
best non-goalie
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
goalies are a breed apart to begin with
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by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Best player in NE?
Thomas Vanek will have his revenge!
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I wonder how good he would look on a line without Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry
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Who’d he play with at the Olympics?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
perfectly fine I'm sure
he doesn’t play with them that much to begin with
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by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
He would look a lot uglier, in comparison to any new linemates that aren’t those two.
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um
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Corey Perry is icky. And what?
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hey man, it’s your profile picture, you tell me
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s Tyler Ennis! I’m the founder of his fanclub! He will save our offense from the horrors of Drew Stafford!
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I’m just saying buffalo fans shouldn’t really go out of their way to draw comparisons based on ugly.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Everyone is pretty compared to Getzlaf and Perry.
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Steve Ott. Mike Ricci. Dan Carcillo.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Milan Lucic ….. teeheehee
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
At least he’s got a nose for the net. (it’s hidden inside his actual nose)
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s got lots of room. Parks his car there too.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Schenn, kaberle, and kadri? That’s a little steep. Considering our organizational depth at C, I would be hesitant to give up Kadri.
Schenn? Sure, see ya.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
you could likely talk me into
any two of the three. but not all three.
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Yeah, I know, but didn’t Ryan play C at times toward the end of the season?
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Yes he did. But I think it may have coincided with Koivu and/or Getzlaf injuries. There were no other C on that team with any offensive side. So it may have been center out of desparation.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d be horrified if we gave up Kadri yet. Ugh, he’s our best chance of a scoring forward developed from our own club we’ve had in God-knows how long.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
This
Don’t let him go.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
One thing that aggravates me
The mortgaging the future argument from people about the Versteeg trade.
How do you mortgage the future when you are getting back two 24 year olds?
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a 24 year old and a 21 year old
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
errr
Why did I think sweatt was 24. Thanks
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Have people been making this argument?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
MLHS comenters
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Moronic.
We sacrificed a little cap space, but clearly not youth.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
but Dido was going to be the next dougie!
stalberg was a bure clone only BIGGER!
Paradis was a FIRST ROUND PICK!
rabble
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
In my opinion, the difference between Stalberg and Blake? About 6 inches and Stalberg will never score 40 goals
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Well
Stalberg is also a fucking decade younger. Still has a bunch of potential at least. Blake is on way wayyyyyyyyyyyy down
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I apologize, I was exaggerating, but you get the point. Wheels but his feet are faster than his hands.
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Haha ya, he’ll never be a legit #1 without good hands. Speedy 2-3rd line winger, could do well, still too early to judge.
But you gotta give to get. Versteeg higher upside, can produce now, very happy with the trade.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, a guy who has already scored 20 goals, OR a guy who may score 20 goals and is older
HMMMM
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Plus he can play time on the PK.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
he has also NEVER scored less than 20
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus he’s a prospect the Bruins gave up on and got a shitty return on!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair Stalberg scored 9 goals in 40 games in an injury shortened rookie campaign.
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I’ll bet Stalberg doesn’t even make Chicago’s opening night roster
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I’d take that bet. They need guys who are earning 800k on their roster.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Beach? Skille? They’ve got a few prospects that could play next season
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They’ll likely play them all.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Beach’s cap hit is 1.3M And they’ll be playing like 8 people on ELCs/NHLmin.
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Yikes.
Roster size: 14
Cap room: $3,581,163
RFAs:
F Skille, Jack " RFA – $1.3m
F Brophey, Evan " RFA – $0.8m
F Davis, Nathan " RFA – $0.8m
G Niemi, Antti " RFA – $0.8m
D Hjalmarsson, Niklas " RFA – $0.6m
G Toivonen, Hannu " RFA – $0.6m
F Bickell, Bryan " RFA – $0.5m
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He might based on salary alone.
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I think the roster will be determined by cap hit more than skill.
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Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
ding ding ding
They just need their core group, everyone else will be filler.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
me too
Sweatt projects into a very similar player to Stalberg too, only reports say he can make plays at top speed
but he looks like a dennys manager instead of a suit model
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
We definitely downgraded in the looks department.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
but now we make up for it with hip hop ability
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder which of those “intangibles” Burke more highly regards.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
some say he busts AK’s all day, and that he smokes tree’s in Belize
all we know, is that he is called, the Steeg
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Night Moves.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Leafs fans fall in love with their own prospects more than any team i’ve ever seen.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
It was hard not to with Dido though, humans are suckers for cases of over coming great adversity
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. But just because he’s a feel good story doesn’t mean he’s a top prospect. He may never skate well enough to make the NHL.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
nope, he wasn’t even the greatest skater before the injury.
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS!
However, I agree with Jared. Dido was a feel good story
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also, I’m pretty sure the oilers have surpassed leaf fans in the over rating prospect category, not that i blame them. The media talks about every oiler prospect like they already have slots saved for them in the hall of fame
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Very true.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
EBERLE SCORED BEST GOAL EVER ZOMG NEW GRETZKY!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha. MPS is going to win the Calder!!!1
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea
I think it’s just that we’ve been burned a few times, and we’ve all been told how often we mortgaged the future by dealing prospects.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
yah, but many leaf fans are associating trading prospects for young good players with the old guard of trading prospects and picks for end of the line vets
it’s not even comparable
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
Its not McCauley, Boyes and a first for Nolan
Its a 24 year old.
Although, I do like to point out at times that in the Brian Leetch trade where we :Mortgaged our future" I dont believe a single one is in the NHL
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the lockout made that look worse than it was too
Leetch was really good for the Leafs and would have been there the 05 season
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You should see buffalo news “commentors”… I can’t believe that they can type…
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youtube like?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
at least you know all the youtube commentors are 12.
“Ruff is stupid for not sending Meyers back to juniors!”
“Ditch Roy he’s overpaid”
“Fire Darcy he signed Miller for too much” (well, that’s at least a defensible stance)
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In addition of course to the following rule:
Any move the sabres made is the worst move in the history of sports, everyone on the team should be traded to the leafs for a seventh rounder and every sabres employee should be drowned.
The bills are going to win the super bowl every year and all their players are hall-of-famers (except trent edwards)
Larry Quinn is the devil incarnate, and everything that ever goes wrong in the entire world is his fault.(including hurricanes, oil spills, global warming…)
It would be funny if i weren’t summarizing actual comments.
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you should listen to Leafs talk radio after a leaf loss
its just as bad if not worse
“WHY DID THE LEAFS GET SCHENN WHEN DOUGHTY WAS AVAILABLE!?”
“lets trade finger for THornton”
etc
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
It makes me wonder where these people come from and if i can kill them all.
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HAHAHAHAH Leafs talk is awesome.
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i;d love to hear sens_suck call in
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
fuckin Mike from Buffalo. That dude is a fuckin clown
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I KNEW IT!
I knew Geolover was actually a leafs fan!!!
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this goofus writes for hockey buzz
he defines hack
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It's silly.
Versteeg trade has nothing to do with giving up youth, we got a guy younger than Stalberg in Versteeg, exchanged young prospects, and we had to add 1 more to get the deal done.
It should have nothing to do with any supposed future-mortgaging.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
One, except that some hockey fans are legit idiots.
two, People see 3 players as more than 2, regardless of talent or ability, or age. See #1
three, we didn’t and most wiser hockey fans know this.
4, we’re Leafs fans, people rip on us for liking are team despite results.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, I think people look at Paradis and see he is 20 and go, OMG THE FUTURE! People are tards. I have unfollowed a few people on twitter yesterday cuz all the were doing was making asinine comments. I had enough
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LeaffaninbigD and the people he re-tweets?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, the only even potential flaw with the deal is Night Moves’ salary.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
salary's fine
$3M is fine for a proven 20 goal scorer. Versteeg has done that every year in the NHL.
My beef with Armstrong is that he isn’t. People are selling him as a scoring threat, which I don’t buy. And then people sell him as a good bottom 6 guy, which he might be. But $3M is a lot to pay for bottom six guys
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Top 6 question
Assuming Kulemin signs and no other signings, where do you see the top 6?
I see
Kulemin – Bozak – Kessel
BLANK – Grabovski – Versteeg
Best bet to fit into that spot? At this point, probably Caputi
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Agree, have to see how things shake out at camp.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure that’s going to happen. If Burke had gotten a decent offer, he would have taken it already. We may be looking at prospects now.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
He’s waiting until people get desperate. The market is there.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The market is there for L.A. and maybe Buffalo or Anaheim. Considering we aren’t getting Brown or Ryan, those teams offer slim pickins
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
Darcy hinted he was done at defense for the offseason.
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Burke has said before that he will spend to the cap. If he doesn’t get a top 6 for Kaberle, you prepare for Torres or someone being overpaid to play in the top 6.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
He said yesterday that he’d be okay with going into camp with some spots open. I don’t think he signs someone who he doesn’t feel is a legit top 6 just to fill a hole.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
that would be directly in contrast to the times he’s said he’ll spend to the cap
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
He can still spend to the cap if he makes a trade between now and October. I just don’t see him signing someone like Torres until the bitter end, and even then.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
you don’t forsee or you hope he doesn’t?
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
A little bit of both. Can never be sure, but I think it was either or with Armstrong and Torres.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
But if you sign enough extra third liners you can trade them to Calgary for all their good players…. oh wait. They don’t have any of those anymore…
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That’s the problem.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Versteeg plays both wings and center. I could see him on the LW and Armstrong moved up to RW on the second line.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
thus
blowing the “it’s ok, he’s not a scorer, but he’s a good bottom six guy and you can pay $3M for that” theory out of the water on day 1.
If he’s a bottom six, we shouldn’t make him a top 6 because we’ve got nobody better. Get somebody better.
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Who is available?
Other thank Kovalchuk and Bobby Ryan, of course, who are both delayed only because of crawling on hands and knees in a solemn pilgrimage to Hockey Mecca.
Ryan isn’t available
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Versteeg plays both wings and center.
He played mainly LW in his first year and mainly RW last year. I think the experiment at center occurred when both Bolland and Sharp were out at the same time. But I could easily see Versteeg spending more time on LW on this team. And Colby on 2nd line RW is not the worst thing in the world … brings “sandpaper” and defensive responsibility. He has often been moved up to higher lines in Pitt and Atl. He just hasn’t produced regularly enough to ever stick there.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Kadri, with Grabbo moved to wing or moved out of town.
I’d like to see Caputi get a shot at the 2nd line.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t add Kadri just due to the fact that Burke likes to take his time with prospects. I just cant see Kadri starting in the NHL.
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Didn’t Burke’s comments (grain of salt) indicate Kadri gets a long, hard look? I think he’s in the conversation.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
think that was Wilson
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
not ready. I like Caputi, I think he’ll be a pretty decent net presence. But watching last season showed me that he’s not there yet.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
Better him than overpaying yet another UFA. I can be patient.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
there may not be enough pucks to go around with Pineapple Killer and the Little Ball of Slightly Annoyed on the same line. There often aren’t enough pucks to go around with P.K. and any wingers.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Caputi as our second line left winger makes me want to vomit.
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Better than overpaying for someone like Frolov (don’t know if he’s LW, just giving an example).
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He is still 21 and has produced at every level.
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Except NHL?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, this I will agree with.
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with a name like Caputi
probably garlic seasoning
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Advanced Stats question
Are players qcomp determined already or is there a formula you plug in?
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As I understand it, qualcomp is the average of the +/- of players you face on the ice. Corsi QoC is the average of the corsis of players you face. Stat geeks generally prefer to corsi to +/- as more reflective of skill rather than luck/poor goaltending.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
While we’re at it, anyone know if GVT/game works? I know if you have a the same GVT but fewer games it’s better, so is it just a straight division or should it be something a little more complicated?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
As I understand it, straight division.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, I’ll go with that until someone says otherwise.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Real_ESPNLeBrun
Deal still isn’t officially signed with Kubina but once it is, which will happen within the hour, it will be for $7.7 million over 2 yrs
$3.85/year. Not bad at all. I thought it might be a tad less.
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so
what does this do for Kaberle’s value? Up or down?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Nothing I dont think, just interesting.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry
that was a group question. Curious since it seems Kubina had something like 10 fewer points, but 50 more hits than Kaberle, this deal seems more than fair. Does it still make Kaberle a bargain?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Sorry, I have this extreme dislike for Kubina
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Yet more proof Yzerman is a very smart guy. He’s a hell of a lot better than Meszaros and cheaper. Dude upgraded his D, picked up a 2nd pick, and saved cap hit and term. Yzerman gets an A+ from me so far.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, Kabs can put up higher numbers.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I know it's Simmonds... but
simmonssteve
Leafs desperately need help at centre but have zero interest in either emerging Matthew Lombardi or Alexander Frolov.
GOOD
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Agree
Thought Frolov was a W.
I’d be okay with Frolov for the right price.
Lombardi, no way.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d do it, only to bench him and flip him for a 2nd round pick at the deadline as per usual.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if he has the record for most times being traded for a 2nd round pick.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s already a joke… but if it ever happens one more time it will be legendary.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I just checked the ‘leftovers’ when it comes to UFA forwards – yeesh.
Kovalchuk… then… not much.
Kariya
Demitra
Kozlov
Modano
Modin, F
Cheechoo (HAHAHAHA)
Frolov
Nolan
It doesn’t get any better…
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
Modin!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The only players left that could be of “value” are depth players who will sign for <$1M. Probably names we won’t even recognize.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Free Agent forwards making 500k
Ben Walter
Mike Pyorala
Lauri Tukonen
Jordan Smotherman
Gregory Stewart
Jeremy Williams (I recognize that name)
Jeff Hogan
Kyle Wilson
Steven Geortzen
Carson Germyn
P Parenteau
Qunton Liang
Brad May (another one)
To paraphrase Journey ‘The list goes on and on and on and on…’
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm is that the Jeremy Williams that everyone freaked out about losing cuz he was gonna be a sure fire top 6 winger?
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yeap
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
The one from LA? Or the Horrible Williams on the red wings?
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Red WIngs.
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New rule: no one is allowed to draft a J. Williams for the next four years.
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You’re thinking of Justin
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
There are actually two justins and a jeremy, though one of the justins is a prospect if i remember correctly.
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What do they think this is? Tennis?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget
Wellfed
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
His cost is actually more because I think team meals count against the cap.
Double his Cap Hit
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still laughing
wyshynski
Darryl Sutter just said the reaction to Jokinen deal has been “really really positive” from “people that are important.”
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So himself and Jokinen?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
the owner?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't stop there
SportsnetSpec
Great Calgary Herald Headline this morning: “You Must Be Jokinen.” And a shout to Sportsnet.ca: “Darrylication of Duty.” I’d call it a tie.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Those are great.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Burke confirmed from Boston, there was a deal he could have done for Kaberle on Thursday, but he prefers to wait, to let teams sort out what they did and didn’t accomplish through free agency, and then wait for a new set of offers to come in.
-Cox
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
Burke is betting on the desperation of other teams once the D-market is empty.
It’s a risky approach, one that could backfire big time.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The closer to August 15th we get, the less leverage he will have.
Thing is, desperate GM’s will do desperate things.
I don’t think Burke is desperate, but a lot of other GMs will be.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He is 100% okay with not trading him this summer.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle for M. Stall, Wade Redden, and a 1st!
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sure, only if we can flip wade redden to Buffalo.
You guys are trying to get rid of that Myers kid, right?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of the rangers…. What the heck are they doing rather than overpaying goons?
Don’t they… need players that don’t suck?
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It’s all on Gaborik and his chalk bones.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Gaborik and Boogaard have worked so well together before….yeah.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Boogaborikaard?
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
I would be surprised if they had EVER been on the same line before, Lemaire or no.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You gotta admit, the name combo almost requires it, though. Hell, they ain’t gonna win anything anyway, so…lose in style!
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From the interviews I’ve seem Boogaard seems like a smart guy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s got a lot of time to think about stuff on the bench.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s very Zen
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you think he does in the pressbox and after halfway through the second period when he knows he’s not getting another shift?
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Knits.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He also reads philosophy, solves complex differential equations, writes to orphans…
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And has a fight camp for kids!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like the idea such a camp.
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The opening intro on day 1 of the camp
“Now kids, fighting is only to be used as a last resort…”
Then spend 2 weeks teaching kids how to beat each other up.
err sorry
‘how to protect themselves’
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather they got into proper grapple-fights as opposed to the other things the kids try to do that causes more worse injuries.
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Like Stunners?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the theory
But I have seen what happens to Boogards’ opponents.
I think I’d pick a different teacher
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d pick Boogaard because I’d want to do that to opponents.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t want my kid killing another kid when ‘defending’ himself.
I would see if someone could teach them some less face-breaking methods of defense.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m reading through the open threads from yesterday over at Blueshirt Banter… it’s pretty hilarious.
Needless to say, they got Sather’d yesterday with the Boogaard signing.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Lots of rumors out that LA the only team in on Kovulchuk…………..You’d think with the amount of people surrounding the leafs, atleast one would have heard if the Leafs were in on him…..looking more and more distant for us.
Toronto Maple Leafs: Looking at next year since 1967
Kovy’s agent probably took one look at Burke’s offer and laughed. It was probably 5 years, 7M per year front-loaded.
/sigh
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Kovy is about 1 year too late if he wants the hossa type deal I think. Doesnt seem like LA wants to give him a deal like that, and it doesnt seem like anyone for that matter wants to.
He’ll probably end up with a 7-8 year deal in LA….. unless someone comes way out of left field. Arent Toronto and LA the only teams who could even fit an 8 mil salary under the cap with a little maneuvering?
He should definatley sign here… would be the funnest 5 years of his life.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
The sabres can, even with their salary budget.
They won’t. But they could.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
pfft
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Imagine Darcy signing that contract? Hands shaking, sweat pouring off him.
Probably run out the room sobbing after seeing all of those ’0’s on the contract.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
If he truly cares about the city he and his family are going to be living
He would not sign in Buffalo.
LA really is his best choice for salary/living.
TO would be his best choice if he wants a “traditional hockey market”. Other than that… no way he’s signing anywhere else except LA or Russia.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Also rumors that Kovalchuk wants LA to offer the same 10/10 contract that atlanta offered.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Enjoy the KHL
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
in which case, i think “See you in Russia” would be appropriate.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
or, “Just take the Toronto deal asshole”
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Does he realize why Atlanta offered him that deal?
It was an attempt to save the godamn franchise by having a star player, to sell some freakin’ tickets to games.
LA does NOT need him nearly as bad.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think it could hurt LA in the long run…
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Though, i admit, of course his agent would want that. It doesn’t mean he actually think’s he’ll get it.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
i bet he does
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jul 2, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
what’s that standard Agent fee? 10 %?
Make a mil per off one guy
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m 100% on the “sign Kovy” bandwagon Chemmy has going around here, but I wouldn’t go close to 10/10.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Burke will give anyone more than 6 years at the outside with his philosophy.
Year 1 10
Year 2 10
Year 3 10
Year 4 8
Year 5 5
Year 6 3
46 mil just under 8m cap hit
I don’t see BB offering any more than that, and I don’t think Kovalchuk will take that deal if he can get a comparable (or more money, longer term) from LA.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
10 for 10 is completely ludicrous, though.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovy knows he’s the only big name out there.
Gunna hoooooooooooold out, knows LA wants him bad.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
After all of the careful planning Lombardi has been doing over the years, being conservative and letting the kids develop – I don’t see this happening for what Kovalchuk wants.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
True but...
he’s only bidding against himself right now.
Going to be interesting what happens.
So anti-climatic if he ends up in Russia.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
@RealKyper
The Edmonton Oilers have put Sheldon Souray on waivers.
Told Sheldon Souray will not be bought out if he clears. He is owed 4.5M per for 2 more years. His cap hit is 5.4M
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Edmonton won’t eat that salary having him play in the minors.
Are they throwing him away on re-entry?
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
since he only gets paid half by the new team on re-entry, is the cap hit also half
Toronto Maple Leafs: Looking at next year since 1967
yes
cap hit is 1/2
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Before we move Kabs? We’d be putting ourselves behind the 8 ball in negotiations.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke has said that he had a number of offers on the table yesterday and is waiting until things shake out a little then moving in on a deal later. It’s a gamble and a half to take on that contract then not be able to move Kabs, but for some reason the NHL 10 GM in me likes this a lot.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
the NHL 10 GM in me likes this a lot.
That’s never a good sign.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Counterpoint: Dion Phaneuf.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Exception
not the rule.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This has the stench of a hand-shake agreement between GMs… some one willing to claim him on entry or re-entry waivers for behind-the-scenes “future considerations”
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like I was wrong.
SportsnetSpec: As usual, I’m wrong again. SOurce confirms no deal in place. Souray on straight waivers, in hopes of losing entire salary.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle to L.A.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
ummm if I understand the waiver re-entry rules correctly, wouldn’t Toronto get first crack at re-entry waivers? (maybe I am wrong, if I am, enlighten me.)
We could pick up Souray for half his cap hit, than trade him, or Kaberle or both.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly
don’t understand how the priority of waiver claims work. I dont think it works like draft order (worst team to best team)
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
During the season
Waivers work like this.
A Player goes on waivers,
Any number of teams can claim them over a 24h wait period.
Whoever has the worst record out of those teams gets the player.
Re-entry waivers are the same, but its a 50% off sale.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Its obviously a more complicated than this, but that’s close enough.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Heres the CBA Jargon
13.19 If only one Club makes a claim for the Player on whom Waivers have been
requested, such Player shall be transferred to that Club. In the event that more than one
Club makes a claim for such Player, he shall be transferred to the claiming Club having
earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the League standing at the time of the
request for Waivers or, if Waivers are requested outside the playing season, then to the
Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the preceding season’s
schedule of Regular Season Games. If the successful Waiver claim is made before
November 1st then the priority shall be determined by the final standing in the League’s
Regular Season schedule in the preceding season.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Soooooo
The Leafs still have first stab at him right? I quickly scanned over it and it does seem that way considering it is based on points from the regular season.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I get from it.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent
Now I mean, it could totally back fire and we end up with Souray and if kaberle can’t be moved then we would be in all sorts of shit. That said, something tells me that either him or Finger getting moved isn’t too crazy to say the least, I think that there will still be GM’s looking for talent and Burke would just be snapping up the best available alterative
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand how it works now that the season is over. Edmonton would have the first crack, but they obviously don’t apply.
Not that you’d actually want Souray… but yes, you’d have teh second crack at a waiver.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Someone would definitely want him at half his cap/salary.
grab him on re-entry and flip him.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Get on it Burkie!
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i’d take him…..hes great on the powerplay and is a bargain at 2.6
Toronto Maple Leafs: Looking at next year since 1967
CHEAP TALENT!!1
now all Burke would have to do is move Finger or Kaberle and he is saving money on the cap while not getting seriously worse on the back end. Also, this would play into the Ryan for Kaberle and Shenn argument, because BAM! you have yourself a decent defensemen to replace Kaberle at half price.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Burke gets him and keeps him. he’s a 50 point defenseman if healthy
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
Keeps either one of Kabby or Souray – he will have ppl knocking the door down to get Souray because he still has 2 years left for 2.6ish million.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Does the re-entry half-salary effect trading ability? Doesn’t it mean he has to play for us in the NHL for the season?
Souray is also on regular waivers, not re-entry.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Yet - here's the deal on claiming off waivers and trading-from the CBA
13.18 The request for Regular, Re-Entry and Unconditional Waivers to Central
Registry will be processed every day at 12:00 noon New York time. The following
specifies the schedule within which a Waiver claim must be made:
DISPATCHED
(At Noon New York time) WAIVER PERIOD
EXPIRY DAY
(At Noon New York time)
Monday 24 hours Tuesday
Tuesday 24 hours Wednesday
Wednesday 24 hours Thursday
Thursday 24 hours Friday
76
DISPATCHED
(At Noon New York time) WAIVER PERIOD
EXPIRY DAY
(At Noon New York time)
Friday 24 hours Saturday
Saturday 48 hours Monday
Sunday 48 hours Tuesday
(a) A Player on Regular, Re-Entry or Unconditional Waivers cannot be
Traded or Loaned until after the expiration of the Waiver period.
(b) If no Club has claimed the Player within the time specified in the request
for Waivers the requesting Club may Loan such Player to a club of another league.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Also this
13.20 (a) The Club acquiring a Player by Waiver claim shall take an Assignment of
the Player’s SPC. Nevertheless, if the Commissioner determines that a Player acquired
by Waiver claim is not physically fit at the time the claim is made, the Club making the
claim may refuse to take an Assignment of such Player’s SPC and the request for Waivers
shall be canceled.
(b) A Player who has been acquired by Waiver claim shall not be Traded to
another Club until the termination of Playoffs of the season in which he was acquired
unless he is first offered on the same terms to the Club(s) that entered a claim when
Waivers were requested originally and the offer has been refused.
That last bolded part is important, because if Toronto has the first shot at claiming him on re-entry waivers, this part wouldn’t apply as no one else would have had a chance to claim him.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t Souray just Kaberle-light though?
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheaper, two more years. Can fight.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Souray is a better shooter. He’s more like McCabe than Kaberle.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
BUT
does he have the best first pass in the NHL
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT
how are his intangibles? Does he bring grit, hard work, and toughness? Can he perhaps play a musical instrument, or sing acapella? These are all things to be considered before signing Colby Armstrong to a 3-year/$9M deal picking up Souray.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This assumes Edmonton will put him on re-entry. Hasn’t happened yet.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think someone might take him – but his 5.4 hit is really hard for teams to swallow.
I figure that Tambellini couldn’t move him without taking contracts back – how difficult will it be for teams to take him if they will have to find a way to shed salary?
If no one takes him, Edm is up the proverbial shit creek.
They really have three options: Leave him in the minors and get cap relief
I don’t think Katz is willing to pay 9 million to have Souray play in the AHL.
Number 2: Buy him out 1.5 mil a year for each of the next 4 years, a cap hit of 2.4, 2.4, 1.5, and 1.5
Number 3: Re-entry waivers – cost of 2.25 per year for the next 2 years and a cap hit of 2.7 for the next 2 years.
Tambo’d better hope someone grabs him on waivers.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that other GM’s are just too smart to let Tambo get off the hook that easily with that contract. Something tells me he is going to have some time either in Oklahoma or someone is going to come in and get him, but it would have to be a big salary dump by Edmonton or re-entry waivers
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
they’re going to put him on re-entry waivers. The Leafs will have first shot at claiming him. I full expect Burke to pick him up.
"if women think they aren’t meant to cook…then why do they have milk and eggs inside them?"
Yea, seems like his kind of move.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This whole thing is rather moot
If Kypreos is wrong and Edmonton isn’t waiving Souray.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope we claim him.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh Holy Wendel, we pray to you today
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course. That’s why I am sitting here wondering if there are any GMs who are dumb enough to pick up the full tab on that. I should hope they hold out, but I have my doubts.
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
TSN has it on their site.
Commenters apparently do not understand how waivers work.
“Who would pay that much for him??!?!?!?”
Also had to explain to a Canucks fan last night about over 35 deals.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Big question is, will someone grab him on waivers for his full salary.
I bet that someone will.
Too bad, it will be funny as shit if no one grabs him.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt take him for full cap but i think LA might
Toronto Maple Leafs: Looking at next year since 1967
Please LA then they can’t sign Kovy!
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovy to KHL (E5)
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Real_ESPNLeBrun: Oilers have zero interest in eating half of Souray’s contract via re-entry waivers. They want to lose his full contract on normal waivers.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck to them.. I can’t see anyone taking on that salary. Perhaps they pick up half the tab and we can offer some “future considerations”
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
should happen, someone will grab him.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
any team that has interest in trading for Kaberle probably would rather have souray for free
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bingo
this was my biggest worry when Souray demanded a trade out. Why pay premium price for Kabs when you can get Souray for pretty much free (with higher cap hit though)
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ottawa.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
a souray / gonchar PP would be some scary shit
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus they’d get discounts at Shoppers Drug Mart on Seniors day.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but
think how paper thin the forward corps would be. Lost Cullen and Alfie’s a year older.
Quite the nice looking 1st PP unit though, you’re right.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
souray and gonchar will both be hurt by christmas
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Colby Armstrong!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Colby smash?
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
over under on Armstrong suspensions this year?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
he’ll have at least one dirty hit from behind
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
That was my thought. He is going to get suspended at least once for a blindside hit
I like to get banged.
by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If this is our worst contract this offseason, then that’s fine. I do believe Armstrong was overpaid slightly, but at least the term isn’t that long. It’s not as painful as, say, Jeff Finger.
Not to be out-WTFed
Trying to move up the “stupid gm moves” list the Oilers have resigned Jason Strudwick.
Not even the Toronto Maple Leafs could kill my optimism
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Brings new meaning to the phrase battle of Alberta.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea who that is.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Why hasn't Bobby Ryan signed yet?
Something has gotta be up here and I can smell Burke all over it!
All I smell is disillusionment.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Supposedly Ryan wants 5.5 and a term that brings him to his free agency year.
Anaheim is resisting
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just good negotiating on Ryan's agent's part.
He knows that tons of other teams want him, he has a shit-ton of leverage, and he wants a deal at max value (probably $5.35/season a la Getzlaf/Perry) that will take him to UFA.
He has the ducks by the Balls right now. I doubt he goes anywhere else. Anyone who offer sheets him, Anaheim will likely match.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There is less chance that Ryan is coming here than there is Kovalchuk coming here.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the mention
I’m a little confused though. What’s familiar about my reaction? I’m not bring defensive, I truly don’t get the reference.
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by John Fischer on Jul 2, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think it’s a dig at a different leafs site, but I’m not sure.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
After seeing lots of reactions from several teams' fans'
INCLUDING ours, I love how every fan (probably including myself) sees a bad signing/trade (or at least overpaid) and immediately assumes it’s “part of something bigger”.
Spoiler alert: Sometimes a bad deal is just a bad deal.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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that’s just the “Bargaining” and “Rationalization” stages of grief talking.
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I’d argue it fits better into “denial”
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a little bit of both.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Armstrong was overpaid.
but, If he can get 40 points per year, I’ll be fine with the deal.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
birky is going to be so upset.
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Hearing out of Florida that Chris Higgins is about to sign with Panthers for one season at $1.6 million.
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good news
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
just signed on...
any news of Kovy yet? did he get signed?
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Nope
Still thinking about his offers
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kovalchuk signs you’ll know if you’re in Ontario.
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If there isn’t a blimp saying “KOVY A LEAF” over a giant picture of Burkie flying around Toronto within 12 seconds of Kovalchuk!!!1 signing, then something is wrong.
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Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
you will be able to hear Pierre McGuire’s head explode
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH damn it, I don’t have that head splody .gif on my work computer.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The more money Kovy wants, the better it is for Toronto. The Leafs are probably the only team that could pay him 10+ a season. The only thing that matters to TML is the cap hit.
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That and Burke doesn’t like the uber long term contracts.
This is one case I hope he can get over it and sign Kovy to a 12 year deal.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I just can't see it happening
I know Burke is master bullshitter in the media, but I don’t see how he makes that move for such a long deal after banging his drum about not doing it for so long and actually following through with that successfully.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Burke, I really do, but
I don’t care if he has to eat his words – do what’s best for the team and get over it
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
WOOO
mirtle
All were in mix yesterday but some have backed off. RT @13Leafs01: @mirtle I hear LA Kings, NJ devils, Leafs are in talks with Kovi? true?
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
I bet the Devils have backed off since making their Defense singings.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Now we just have to hope LA claims Souray off waivers… then we will be the only one in the running with cap space.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Mirtle has me far too excited.
I am now mad at him.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
BCWW?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
the islanders HAVE to sign someone expensive to get anywhere near the cap floor. It could be kovalchuk, it could just be alexi yashin again.
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they could pick up Souray
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The Devils would have to dump Rolston in the minors. That ain’t happening.
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Even then his cap hit still sticks. 35+ contract.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
BINGO
and I think that LAK has really been playing hardball with him. I think they are taking the right approach with things (aka signing Doughty next year trumps this deal). Let’s go Burkie!
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s just the thing with the cap now, it’s a constant battle. That said, LA has the right idea in their situation, which is to keep their home-grown talent inside the organization and let things come to them. They are a really good club and in a year or two they aren’t just going to be a playoff team but a really scary one, so they really don’t have to break the bank for Kovi.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
how about a short term deal?
3 years, 26 million. 12 the first year, 8 the second, 6 the third
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cant see kovy taking less than 5 if he were to come here…. and its hard to even see him settling for 5….
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
If he comes here it is 5 years, with a cap hit of 8 mil. I don’t know how the numbers work on that one, but Burke is not going over 5 years, he is at least honest about that and it’ss the one thing I believe him about.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgive my ignorance but what exactly is the benefit of front-loading a 3 year contract? Given that we don’t expect him to decline 50% by the third year, the only reason I can see is so that he becomes a valuable trade asset in the 3rd year to teams that are cash-poor and cap-rich.
Hmm actually…
Now that I think about it, given that we are one of a few very cash-rich teams, we really should be massively front loading all our contracts so our players are all attractive trade targets towards the end of their contracts. Imagine instead of 3M per year, we signed Colby Armstrong for 4.5M, 3M, 1.5M. It’s all the same to him, but he becomes a decent trade chip in his 3rd year. Why don’t we do this for all signings?
Also, frontloading sweetens the offer for player.
Time value of money = $1 today > $1 in the future.
Backloaded contracts, depending on the discount rate, could be worth millions less for the same nominal $ values.
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The only potential hitch being that players might not like being considered trade bait at the moment they sign a contract.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true
I guess I should have said it`s ```financially`` beneficial
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I’m pretty sure it’s the frontloading that Burke hates, and that he just thinks super long term is dumb. But then again, he could be spinning it all, again.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see him not liking committing huge $ or term
But I don’t know why front-loading should be an issue, as long as the player intends to actually play out every year of the contract.
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I believe he said something about it being clear circumvention of the spirit of the CBA…. but then, he’s a lawyer, he should appreciate using loopholes in a contract to your advantage.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The circumvention he was referring to (I believe)
Was the lifetime deals that tailed off BECAUSE the players had no intention to play those years and would just retire instead. The point was that you could keep adding on extra years at league min to a contract and continue to lower your cap hit….
That was my inference of what his issue with it was.
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I said this a month ago. I would frontload every contract to the maximum allowed under the CBA.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
this is just getting my hopes up way to high.
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by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
If Kovi signs here I will be shocked. I just cant, CAN’T see him signing here
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me neither… but its exciting to think of the possibilities.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
Nah, if I don’t want to get too excited, that can only lead to disappointment
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Plus then you can break out the whole “I told you so” when he signs in LA
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Nah that isn’t my style
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It's mine though.
I am going to be so godamn obnoxious to other fan bases if for some miracle when he signs in TO.
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I want this to happen before I go out today.
That way I can parade around Vancouver in my Leafs gear, yelling.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But you could imagine what it would be like if he did, right?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Riots in the streets.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
excuse me, I have to go, uh……
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
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Higgins. 1 year. $1.6 to Florida is done.
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HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
YES
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I’m stepping away from the computer – going for a walk.
I will have my phone with me, waiting for the little ‘bling’ text notification.
Before I go, I figured out a new metric for measuring Armstrong’s value.
15 goals and knocking Alfie the fuck out.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
If he knocks out Alfie, money well spent
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I think there’s more to it than money for Kovalchuk. He turned down 12yrs @ 10M per from Atlanta. I’m guessing he’s open to Toronto but we’re not offering him anything reasonable. Hopefully Burke is playing hardball and knows what he’s doing.
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If Kovalchuk signs anywhere besides Toronto for 8 million, I will be livid.
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it comes down to Burke vs. Lombardi….. c’mon BURKIE!
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I think you’d have to wait to see if he said,
“I wanted to play in Toronto but they only offered me 6 million”
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Scene in downtown Toronto
They’re rioting at a college level!
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Why? You don’t know the circumstances.
Maybe Kovalchuk does not want to play here. It is possible you know
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That’s my thought process too.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Mirtle and other sources say he’s open to playing in Toronto. He wants the spotlight and attendant endorsement deals.
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I know, I’m just saying that we can be livid if he sites us not offering enough as the reason he didn’t sign here.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
that implies
it comes down to money. which it doesn’t appear to. Like he said, he’s already turned down more than $10M a year.
Amazingly, I’ve been convinced that its’ now mathematically possible for the Leafs to sign him. I just can’t see a reason why he would. Why is he picking a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in 5 years and is throwing tons of money at him? He already left that in Toronto.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried a Hossa-style or Kariya-style 1-year deal with a contender before settling into his reitrement deal.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
This deal would go a long way to cementing both of their legacies.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
True but… we haven`t heard anything to believe he`s not looking for top dollar either.
Turning down $10M in Atlanta not the same as turning down $10M from LA…
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Let’s do a thought experiment.
First: Kovalchuk scores a career low 40 goals for Toronto.
Second: They etch his hall of fame plaque at age 28.
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That would be glorious.
If not etched… at least pencilled in.
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Lebrun says Lombardi, M close to decision….please not be leafs
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No way, Burke said yesterday he wasn’t interested.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, no offense, but Burke says a lot of crap that’s just not true.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, that, but not everything he says is complete bullshit.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
seems to me
the amount of anything Burke is saying this free agency period is a lot less frequent than his first go round in Toronto.
Or maybe I’m just ignoring the MSM too much…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
no, he’s seemed a lot quieter to me as well.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe
he learned his lesson from last summer, where he was going to do everything to move up to grab Tavares… or how he lost all leverage with Kessel when he pretty much went balls out in his pursuit of him.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
A less-than-credible rumour starter is also saying Leafs are 1.5M apart from Lombardi too.
I had no idea he’d be holding out for a huge salary – holy taking advantage of 0 centres on the UFA market
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You want a center, NHL GM? Well, im the only one!
100 hundred Billion dollars!!!1 /dr.evil
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Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
He sent a personal thank-you card to Sutter
for taking away elite playmaking centre Oli Jokenin off the market.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
hahahaha…..that was one of the dumbest signings ever….Even Jokinen said he had no other options
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Even the KHL had a shittier offer than the Flames?
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even think the KHL would want him.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
I have a hard time blaming him…. you play hockey for 20 years, if you’re lucky, and then have to find a new career.
If he can cash in now, that new career may not have to happen.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
From Mirtle
mirtle Before fans get too excited: LA Times: “…Kovalchuk is aiming high – think $10 million a year for 10 to 12 years…” http://bit.ly/9iQSDO
4 minutes ago via TweetDeck
Enjoy Russia, Ilya… or a one year deal.
It doesn’t follow for me that Kovalchuk would turn down the contract for Atlanta and then insist another team match it. It’s just not going to happen and seems really unreasonable.
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
In mother Russia
…ah forget it, I don’t want to go there. Enjoy yourself Kovi, I am sure you will have lots of fun in the KHL with your many millions.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Aiming high
and waiting for teams to meet him half way.
He’s going to cash in.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
I’m sure he will, but will LA still be around when he says he wants $8 million?
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It worries me
That Kulemin hasn’t signed yet after Burke’s “final offer”
I have a terrible feeling in my gut BB is planning to package his rights for a trade… UGH
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It was described
as Burke’s “final offer” in terms of $s i think.
Final of course doesn’t really mean final. Maybe he was just drawing a line in the sand.
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You articulated that thought a lot better than I was going to.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The Armstrong deal must have pissed off Kulemin’s agent though.
Don’t know how he’s going to try to say $3m is too much for Kulemin now… i know i know RFA vs UFA… still tough sell in negotiations in terms of worth.
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I think the UFA is what makes it.
Different situations.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
trading Kulemin while getting a top 3 winger would still leave room for competition for one top 6 spot…
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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be ok with having a hole in the top six if our top five was Ryan, Kessel, Bozak, Grabovski and Versteeg.
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I need a towel.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Caputi – Bozak – Kessel
Ryan – Grabovski – Versteeg
I’m putting Ryan and Versteeg together because they play both wings and could probably do some insanely creative shit crossing over.
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Caputi on “top” line makes me cringe though.
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“Hey Luca.”
“Yes Mr. Burke?”
“Do you feel like you could stand within a foot of the other team’s goalie and not do anything stupid no matter how many times people punch you in the face?”
“Uh, I guess so.”
“Great you’re playing with Bozak and Kessel.”
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by Chemmy on Jul 2, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up