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Leafs Sign Nikolai Kulemin

The waiting is over. Per TSN's Darren Dreger the Leafs have signed Nikolai Kulemin to a two year deal at $2.35M per.

This is an excellent job by Burke balancing Kulemin's desire to prove his increased worth to the team on par with the Gustavsson deal. It's clear what Kulemin needs to do now: light the lamp for two years and prove he's a first line winger in the NHL and he'll get paid.

Now let's hope his chemistry with Bozak and Kessel continues all season long; we're going to need it.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

This is good. I like good things. They make me happy.

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by article1 on Jul 2, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah we finally have a competent GM

"I’m not interested in a five-year rebuild. You say Pittsburgh? Well Pittsburgh picked a ball out of a drum to get Sidney Crosby. Don’t tell me there’s skill there. They won a goddamn lottery."

- Brian Burke a.k.a. Mr. Truculence

by kashman07 on Jul 3, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

People on TSN are stupid

Two guys thought Kulemin was getting a 2 year contract worth $4.7 million per year.

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by CoolJ90 on Jul 2, 2010 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

THAT ZI OVERPAIMENT YO

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe the extra $2.35M/year is the rarely seen in-the-room-good-guy-character-bonus.

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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had the same thought for a minute when I got my TSN alert message, It wasn’t very clear, but thankfully it’s not true!

"Every day you guys look worse and worse. And today you played like tomorrow." - John Mariucci

by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

in my defence

I signed up for the alerts last night, and this is the first one I got.

"Every day you guys look worse and worse. And today you played like tomorrow." - John Mariucci

by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah

their alerts are sometimes misleading, or sometimes wrong.
When I got one about the Jeff Finger deal, it said the $3.5 mill was over the full length of his contract, not per year.

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but everyone thought that.

Not Liking Nikolai Kulemin Means You Have No Soul

by Clawson on Jul 2, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

im pretty sure thats what fletcher ment but he fucked up the paper work

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, we’ll never know for sure.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

sadly it was still a raise for the guy

he was making like $60 and first crack at the leftovers from the concession stand.

by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 2, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they can’t read? The total value of the contract he signed was $4.7 mil

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 2, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s been proven that the TSN message boards has an average IQ level slightly lower than a cage of chimpanzees

Boo hoo!

by Chris Stoikoff on Jul 2, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of the old joke – what has a collective IQ of 80 and 23 teeth?

The first two rows of fans at a wrestling match.

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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What has 100 feet and 24 teeth?

The queue at a methadone clinic.

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by article1 on Jul 2, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Redonred on Jul 2, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first two rows at a Nashville Predators game

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Funny to look back in hindsight

We should have a link in the article back to the (multiple) debates on what Kulemin’s contract should be.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I hate to this to Mirtle but… here

by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eat it, unoptimistic March 27 James Mirtle!

by PhilSpecter on Jul 2, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why, but I get burned on trying to estimate contracts all the time. Guys come in way lower or higher. It’s really not as easy as you think.

I was thinking both Gustavsson and Kulemin would go a little longer term and at a higher dollar figure, in the $3-million a season range over four years. Gustavsson is way lower than I think he could have gotten, although the goalie market is very overcrowded. Knowing Kulemin’s agent, I thought they’d push for a match of Grabovski’s deal.

As it is, good news for the Leafs. And good work by Burke.

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by James Mirtle on Jul 2, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone would have correctly guessed Gustavsson’s deal. I’m still surprised that the Leafs were able to ink him for $1.35M cap hit.

As for Kulemin, plenty of people around here thought he’d get $3M+

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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was hoping for 2-2.5

but am surprised by the short term. I figured the Leafs would want to buy some of his UFA years but perhaps not.

Very very glad we stayed under 2.5. I love Kulemin and he’s projecting nicely, but as has been said ad nauseam, we are talking about an NHL player who’s yet to crack 40 points in a season.

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by pevans on Jul 2, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m okay with one more deal before he hits UFA.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

You certainly weren’t alone—it’s not easy at all. I put your link in there because you were probably the most respected person throwing those kinds of numbers out there.

And of course term has a huge effect. If the deals had been 3 years, it would have likely been much closer to $5MM.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 3, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t feel bad. There was a vocal contingent here going for $3M+

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by PPP on Jul 3, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me no understand

I don’t understand all the negativity. Who cares what we pay Kulemin? I don’t buy the cap argument, it’s obvious Burke has figured out the angles.

It’s a good deal. But I’m ultra impressed with Burkie’s overall job more—he’s dealt with the death of a son, among other dramas, and still had the presence to make this team ultra difficult to play against. This guy is for real—no shying away from the tough decisions or responsibilities.

Armstong for example. Add him to the hit list, at whatever the big price was, and every line seems to me a wall of truculence. An incredibly astute signing. I hope Burke DOESN’T pay for Kovalchuk. I look forward to a few years of restoring our pride and not quite getting Stanley instead. Fight, smash, be impossible to play against—that’s the spirit of 17. THEN we can go after a big scoring pansy.

I live in Sweden. So I miss most games. But this year, I’m going out of my way to beg, borrow, steal snippets from the aftermath. 2010/11 is our rebirth. We don’t need to win the Cup. We need to tell the league we’re back and make it exceptionally inconvenient for the unlucky bunch that meets us in the playoffs. I think Burkie’s set that up in spades.

by outgodalights on Jul 2, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares what we pay Kulemin? I don’t buy the cap argument, it’s obvious Burke has figured out the angles.

I pretty much disagree with everything you said here. But…

I look forward to a few years of restoring our pride and not quite getting Stanley instead. Fight, smash, be impossible to play against—that’s the spirit of 17. THEN we can go after a big scoring pansy.

I did laugh at this.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

people need to stop with the fucking truculence
Leafs need goals and goals alone right now

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just thinking earlier today

that maybe we’re not truculent enough.

We should been more heavily involved in the Boogaard Sweepstakes.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boogaard seems like the last thing the Leafs need. I do not want lineups running out both Orr and Boogaard.

by psamms on Jul 2, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

...whoosh

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh a sarcasm detector, that’s a REAL useful invention.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The internet has no time for your sarcasm! OR your clever pictures for that matter!

…you got me :(

by psamms on Jul 2, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, our truculence quotient has been filled.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, and its not like Kovy is a pansy, he is a big body who goes into the tough areas and comes out with the puck
he may not throw many body checks but he doesnt shy away from getting hit

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also does like to fight

he’s a big boy (230) and people always assume he’ll pussy out.

KOVALCHUKULENCE!!!!!!!!!1

by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 2, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they need to regain respect

There is no Stanley next year, Koval-too- much or not. Burke is making this team competitive. It’s the first real step back to respectability. How can they not have more goals than last year anyway? Baby steps, the ultimate prize has to be built on a solid foundation: respect.

by outgodalights on Jul 2, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what gets repsect?
Scoring lots of goals and winning hockey games.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

So we can't score goals?

Previous posts suggest otherwise. But I don’t care. I’ve suffered a long time. I want to see the Leafs compete, seriously, night to night. Truculence works for me, goals will come, and goaltending is significantly better. I’ll aim for the Silver once we’ve set some ground rules for the playa-hatas.

Kovie won’t sign with us, we’re just driving up his price for some other team. I don’t want him. We don’t need him.

by outgodalights on Jul 2, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Previous posts suggest otherwise.

Source something. We were second to last in goal scoring, and no one here has suggested otherwise. Goals don’t come as easily as “truculence” does, and for the team full of kids that we were last year, Orr and Phaneuf were covering a lot of “truculence.”

Kovie won’t sign with us, we’re just driving up his price for some other team. I don’t want him. We don’t need him.

Kovie may sign with us. We were reportedly “on his list.” I’ll find the article if you want my source – could I have yours?

No one is forcing you to want him, but to say “we don’t need him” is just lying to yourself. We need scoring depth. Kessel is not going to score 50 goals, and he is not going to be the SOLE goal-sniping weapon of this team if it’s going to win a cup.

Name two “truculent” teams that have ever had a serious amount of “respect” in this league. Bonus points if they have fewer than two quality snipers.

by Bower Power on Jul 2, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we were 25th in scoring? anyway we were not good.

How many players have scored 50 and/or have the potential to score 50 again?

Ovechkin
Crosby
Kovalchuk
Stamkos
Heatley
Malkin?
Nash?

That’s it. 750 odd players in the league, unless I am missing something that’s pretty much your list.

Less than 1%

If you have a chance to get him, you get him as long as it doesn’t cripple your ability to ice the rest of your team.

EVERYONE wants a 50ish goal scorer… If you don’t then I don’t know how to convince you otherwise.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just checked – we were tied for second last.

Panthers: 208
Leafs: 214
Oilers: 214
Blue Jackers: 216

But seriously. We need to be more truculent.

by Bower Power on Jul 2, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares,

How many penalty minutes/fighting majors did we rack up?

We all know that’s the most important stat.

/sarcasm

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, i loved the quote when it was first quiped by burke, but the “truculence, belligerence and testosterone” thing has leaked into to many peoples for-brain

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burke was essentially saying the team needed to be tougher.

He has done that… doesn’t mean every single fucking player he signs has to be like that.

And I am so sick of the ‘Burke-type player’ bullshit.

Burke wants guys who will help the team win, that’s a Burke -type player.

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Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, the leafs are plenty tough and gritty now, some more is always welcome, but after (or in the same package) as skill

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I am so sick of the ‘Burke-type player’ bullshit.

Thank you. Honestly its getting ridiculous.

by ShahofToronto on Jul 2, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s true – we did need to be tougher. But we have never needed to be truculent at the expense of being skilled.

The idea that someone would argue against a 6’2" 230 lbs, 40+ goal scoring, top-10 player, pure-gold sniper…in favor of someone that hits more? It’s…unthinkable, to put it kindly.

by Bower Power on Jul 2, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s Cro-Magnon.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does he skate?

we should sign him!

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yah, I was going to write something a bit less polite, but I figured I should be good.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I mean, I’m not going to resort to insults (because in this instance, I definitely don’t need to), and everyone is entitled to their opinion (however unfounded or misguided), but I just don’t understand the 1+1=1.5. The only place for argument with Kovalchuk is on contract terms.

by Bower Power on Jul 2, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup.

Bury your head in the sand and go ’don’t want him’

is not a viable strategy. If he wants to come here and his contract terms don’t handcuff the team, sign that deal.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

he has also never played less than 76 games in a season in the NHL, which points to him being incredibly durable and tough enough to handle the physical abuse of the NHL

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how many Selke nominations has he had?

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

not as many as kulemin and versteeg will have!

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

All three are currently tied.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

they will alternate every year until they retire as leafs

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Colton Orr will take home the Lady Byng.

He won’t WIN it, he’ll just beat up the guy who does after the award ceremony and take it home.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semantics.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are aware

some wag cast a 5th place vote for Laracque for the Lady Byng this year?

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my thinking.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t forget cheechoo.

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by pesianator on Jul 2, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s a UFA right? i’m thinking a 10 year deal, front loaded of course to lower the cap hit. Bozak can get him going.

by ShahofToronto on Jul 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

front loaded eh? So like 1 mil per for the first 4 years then 11 years at 1 dollar?

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 3, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

the thing is, this might very well be the Leafs last chance at a weapon such as kovalchuck until they some how draft and develop one
the NHL is trending to locking up offensive superstars till their career twilight.
the main reason we want him (other than the 7 places in the standings he alone would bring us up) is that 45+ goal scorers are few and far between, especially on the open market
you grab em when you can and lock em up for ever

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you 110%
It’s great we can knock everyone out, but that doesn’t help us where it matters.

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by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"I’m not interested in a five-year rebuild. You say Pittsburgh? Well Pittsburgh picked a ball out of a drum to get Sidney Crosby. Don’t tell me there’s skill there. They won a goddamn lottery."

- Brian Burke a.k.a. Mr. Truculence

by kashman07 on Jul 3, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like this deal and I like that Burke called it a compromise.

Of note, it’s the same money and term as NYR gave Ryan Callahan in 2009 when he put up 40pts as an RFA.

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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel like someone suggested that a month ago…

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by Chemmy on Jul 2, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I could do a squiggly-screen fade away to reveal who and where….

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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

But... but...

Leafs fans are all mouth-breathing morons. They couldn’t possibly put together insightful, accurate analysis or be in communities using the forefront of statistical analysis in their discussions…

by Nirbo on Jul 2, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very good contract by Burke & Co.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome job by Burke and the rest of Leafs management, fantastic negotiating and compromising.

Boo hoo!

by Chris Stoikoff on Jul 2, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Added a poll.

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by Chemmy on Jul 2, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Kulemin and I love this deal Great job by everyone.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 2, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I love this deal. Much lower than what I was expecting. Good work Burke! :)

by Frag on Jul 2, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey guys, first time posting after just reading comments solid for over a year. Please be gentle.

When it was said that there was about 7 MM left for a big signing, did that include this resigning? If not, that means we have >5 MM?

by punjabination on Jul 2, 2010 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

All depends on what happens to Kaberle/Finger. Per capgeek we had $7MM before the Kulemin signing.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 2, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

We ACTUALLY have

about $5M now.

However, There’s the Kabs/Finger factor… can give us another $7.75M potentially.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...

we’re not getting Kovy. My hopes have been dashed.

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by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

NEVAR!

at least not till he’s inked
If Burke needs to clear cap space, he will find a way

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don’t see this happening anymore, unless he asks for significantly less than what is currently being speculated.

"Every day you guys look worse and worse. And today you played like tomorrow." - John Mariucci

by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wont sign anywhere unless he asks for significantly less than what is currently being speculated

in north america that is

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubt the KHL wants to pay him that much either.

"Every day you guys look worse and worse. And today you played like tomorrow." - John Mariucci

by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

rumours are that they’ve already offered $12 – $14 mill a year… but only short term, I believe.
I should find a link.

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap! That’s crazy. WHY?!?!

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by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

KHL is crazy

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’d be by far the biggest start as well

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

KHL owners are basically in a pissing contest with each other. None of their teams are profitable, but most are Russian billionaires and their teams are basically avenues for them to do high stakes betting with each other. Kovy would be awesome on a team like that.

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why dash your hopes already, when you can wait until he signs in LA and get them dashed later?

#HoldOutForHope

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought LA gave up on him?

"Every day you guys look worse and worse. And today you played like tomorrow." - John Mariucci

by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, they’ll probably still get him. But his current asking price is retarded.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re allowed to go 10% over the cap, so almost 6m, so we could, in theory, sign Kovy and then trade Kabby and waive finger when the season starts.

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

but...

that’s a little risky. Plus other team will figure that we are desperate to get rid of Kaberle, therefore his value might drop a bit…ect.

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by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the only reason I can think of for Burke not pursuing him hard – He either slept with Burke’s wife, or Burke has a plan to acquire a top 6 player (also likely overpaid) who we can take on salary for.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I dont give two fucks what we get for Kaberle if we sign Kovi.

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a bit of a silly attitude, though. Although Burke would probably paint himself into a bit of a corner signing Kovalchuk without having already moved Kaberle because of the cap concerns, it doesn’t affect Kabby’s trade value much. Shift him for a centre and bask in the glow of a Kovie – that guy – Kessel PP lineup

by Be26 on Jul 2, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

if burke has kovy signed im sure he sits on it until he ships kabby off for the highest bid he has had

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear LA might have some cap space to use on a puck moving D-man…..

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t being totally serious, but I still was a bit. I’d rather get Kovalchuk and then a good prospect/good draft pick/2nd line player then get no Kovy and a ‘top six forward’ and prospect for Kabby.

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best bet is to go to capgeek and play with the Leafs page.

As per 67 Sound much of it is dependent on what the Leafs do with Kaberle and Finger. Also of note, teams can exceed the cap in the summer by 10% so the Leafs will have an additional $6M to play with, but they have to be back down to $59M by end of training camp.

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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have somewhere around $4M in cap space right now. If the #Leafs trade Kaberle that puts them around $8.5.

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by Chemmy on Jul 2, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Kulemin is the Leafs first line winger, we are in trouble. No offense to Kulemin, but he isn’t a first line guy. He had one good month last year and everyone thinks he has first line potential. He is a 2nd or 3rd line player. Versteeg will get first line minutes over Kulemin.

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jul 2, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

we have Kovulchuk coming…..no worries…….hehehe…..no doubt…most here think hes a good second line forward

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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 2, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t hold your breath on Kovalchuk being a Leaf.

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jul 2, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

KEEP THE FAITH

#offseasondreaming

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

IF we do land Kovalchuk

Does he get to continue wearing #17? :D

by CancerousRocket on Jul 2, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only

if we hire Gary Roberts to train him in the off… oh, I give up.

by Nirbo on Jul 2, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had one good month last year and everyone thinks he has first line potential.

Burke didn’t, thats why he didn’t pay him like a first liner.

Furthermore

ILYA FUCKING KOVALCHUK.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what will the Top 2 Lines Look Like?

Kessel and Versteeg both RWs…?
Kulemin not really a 1st liner — and not paid like one

by Diomedes7 on Jul 2, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

as it stands now probably
Kulie – bozak – Kessel
Armstrong/Caputi – Grabbo – Versteeg

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming Kadri doesn’t make the jump, and grabbo get sent down to 3rd line minutes.

We have a really weird C position.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do, could be great, or just mediocre.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to assume the latter.

Our best potential C’s (Bozak and Kadri) are all too young to know whether or not we have legit 1st line C in the making or not.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, but I don’t know what the alternative, unless we’re getting someone who would be a guaranteed top flight center (savard) why both signing someone to take minutes from these guys.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

only 2 years of college. 1.5 if you consider his knee injury

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by birky on Jul 3, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

damn you're right. what a slacker.

spent too much time in victoria playing bchl.
by the time he left u-denver i had finished 2 degrees…he’s only a year younger than me, so i assumed he played 4 in college.

by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 3, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK young in terms of NHL games played

37 career NHL games.

Better?

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i just dont want people to think hes a development project

hes got the vision, the hands, the passing touch, and evidently the scoring skill to play at the NHL level, he just has to put it together.

like, now.
hes not a progression in due time kind of player, he has to be (and should be) ready to make the lateral step right onto the pro ice.

if not, it didnt cost us anythign but OTPP money, so no harm no foul.

by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 3, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah…assuming Kadri makes the team, we need to somehow exchange Grabovski for a bottom 6 center

by TheDeek on Jul 2, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Move Grabs to the wing, demote Caput + Armstrong to the third line?

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Id rather pay Hanson to Center the 3rd line and trade grabbo for picks and prospects

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

i’m from Pittsburgh (Pens fan), so I know Armstrong and Caputi pretty well
Colby is a RW
both are best as 3rd liners, but Colby would give more in terms of forechecking and experience — at least right out of the chute.

by Diomedes7 on Jul 2, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

was wondering if they won’t try to get Versteeg and Kessel on the same line…?

by Diomedes7 on Jul 2, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

keep small scoring wingers on different lines, put our best power forward with kessel and 2nd best with the steeg

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. And like you said as it stands right now, Cuputi and Arsmtrong are best suited to that role. and judging by what Burke has said about Armstrong he’ll likely get 3rd line minutes. If Sweatt has a decent camp I can see him getting an audition on the second line.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Wilson

uses the “blender” method of line combinations, so ya I bet we’ll see that experiment a number of times.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, we’d like to have em on the 3rd too, but right now they are the best options on the wing for the leafs

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

What’s the fascination with Caputi. Hasn’t proved anything yet. He’s at the most a third liner. But I would like to him back in the AHL .

by funnybuns on Jul 2, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s also 21 and has produced at every level. chances are he’ll be able to pot 40 points in the next year or two

by KerryFraser on Jul 2, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

because there is no one better at current

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s also very cool.

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st line will be Curly Larry Moe
2nd line will be Groucho Harpo Zeppo

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 2, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

the rat pack is a great energy line

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Versteeg plays either wing

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can play centre too. Not sure if he plays it well, but he can play all forward positions.

by Theodles on Jul 2, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

he played C when Bolland and Sharp were both out, if I recall correctly. I don’t think it was really anything but an act of sheer need by Quenneville

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 2, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha. Leafs still need better players, these signings make the team better than last year, but still are not significant compared to the top teams. I love the leafs, always have and always will, but maybe there’s blind hope with every season when you’re a leafs fan.

by punjabination on Jul 2, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions  

this site isn’t much about blind hope more so than stats based analytical hope

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 2, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No shit

They are a rebuilding team, the whole point is to become better each year. You can’t simply sign 3 or 4 guys, and immediately become a top team in the league.

by CancerousRocket on Jul 2, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

this
i like the moves

by Diomedes7 on Jul 2, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it!

I am not 100% sold on Kulemin yet. If he continues to improve, then this is a good ‘transitional’ contract.

by CancerousRocket on Jul 2, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I like it, I love it, I want some more of it!

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I like this deal so much, I want to take it behind the middle school and get it pregnant.

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by Hungry Leafs Fan on Jul 2, 2010 5:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Who in the hell voted Eh?

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t be sure, but I’m going to bet some one Canadian.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

same guy who voted 1 on every single Reading the Tea Leafs post

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

boob gainey?

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow…I’m impressed. I figured he’d get at least 2.5

by Theodles on Jul 2, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

LOVE it.

That’s a fantastic contract. Can’t wait to see what he’ll do!

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by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

yay!

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by sleza on Jul 2, 2010 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

this deal is so good even Väiski Vemmelsääri is floored by it.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 2, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg, you know finnish?

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И как кровь из вены капает слеза.

by sleza on Jul 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

no lol that’s the only thing I know. Odd isn’t it.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 2, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well actually you taught me Rynnas means boobs and Toskala means terminal cancer.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 2, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

JUICY BOOBS!!!!1

by psamms on Jul 2, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i kinda wish i hadn’t say anything about his name…

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by sleza on Jul 2, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t say that, it’s why we love the boob juicer.

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t think you could turn the words ‘terminal cancer’ into a joke, but you have.

well done.

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Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking to some children with terminal cancer the other day about the DMV. They asked what the DMV was; I told them they’d find out about it when they were older.

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by Blinky on Jul 2, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

POSITIVITY!!!1

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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect thing to say – I hate it when children suffer

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah :) i first thought i was really drunk and badly misread something :P

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by sleza on Jul 2, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha that’s awesome

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 2, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

white russians are sneaky

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И как кровь из вены капает слеза.

by sleza on Jul 2, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

BREAK OUT THE COCAINE!!

Keep Firing, Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Jul 2, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Let’s not go crazy here, Maradona.

by PhilSpecter on Jul 2, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job Burke, I was expecting 2.5 but this is even better, he knows what he has to do if he wants more.

by CamShaft on Jul 2, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Like it. It’s right in line with what I thought he would get.

...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...

by My Poor Friend Me on Jul 2, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok. Fine. Now where the heck is the rest?!

by Parkie10 on Jul 2, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like this

and am feeling extremely validated that it is 100K off my prediction of $2.25M per year.

I would have liked a longer term, but on second thought, this works for me. after 2 years we will know exactly what we are dealing with. If’ he’s a legit star, he’ll get his money at 26. If he’s a solid 40 point player, we’ll know that too.

To sum up the offseason so far, LOVE the gus contract, LIKE the deal for Versteeg, INTENSELY DISLIKE what we paid for Colby Armstrong and REALLY LIKE this move

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by pevans on Jul 2, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

the only thing i hate about the Armstrong deal is the cap hit
and i really hate it

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

 a perfectly serviceable player. Solid contributor in a few ways on the ice. But not someone we need to pay a premium for to ship in.

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by pevans on Jul 2, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

A commenter in today’s FTB pointed us to a link where Armstrong said he took less to sign with the Leafs.

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

Would be interesting to know who offered him more.

by CancerousRocket on Jul 2, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yaaaaa

I’m not sure I believe that for even 1 second.

What team out there was offering him more than $3M/year?

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calgary, New York…

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea New York is a good guess, look what they payed for Boogaard and he can’t even score at least once a season.

by CamShaft on Jul 2, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

he scored 2 in his rookie year. i think you’re on his people to kill list now. I’d run.

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 3, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Burke gets an F- for not having signed Kovalchuk with a $7M cap hit at 12:01 yesterday.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s manouvering to try and get him at 5mil

by samspade on Jul 2, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what he means
Cox: Kulemin 2.35m for each of 2. Amazing what earns you what in today’s NHL.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

derp, leafs did bad 1967 derp

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Why do I find your use of the word ‘derp’ so awesome?

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

derp is a lol everytime

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"

by Matt_Roberts on Jul 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya I can’t tell if he thinks thats a good or bad thing.

MYSTERIOUS

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has to do it that way or PPP’s girlfriends will go after him.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I asked him to clarify
@DamoSpin What do you think he is worth?

No response yet.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s obviously going to say ‘$1.967m’

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

His point is

That it is bad to drink too much laundry detergent.

by CancerousRocket on Jul 2, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a duality to Cox’s reporting.

He’s likely right in that $2.35 is a lot of money for a guy that’s never cracked the 40 point plateau and Cox has been very consistent in questioning the big dollars that players sign for. Where he falls short is in not looking at comparables and market rates.

It’s like railing against real estate prices in Vancouver. Sure it’s crazy what people will pay for a former crack den or grow op but it’s the going rate and people are willing to pay it.

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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good answer.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit
It’s like railing against real estate prices in Vancouver. Sure it’s crazy what people will pay for a former crack den or grow op but it’s the going rate and people are willing to pay it.

So I’m like Cox now? BOOOOOO ;)

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must have seen the web site Vancouver: Crack Shack or Mansion

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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

that website is misleading because it doesn’t show you how much land you get. It’s the land prices that are high, not house prices.

Unfortunately in hockey, there doesn’t seem to be a comparable separation in player prices. Unless we’re now talking points vs. intangibles….

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless we’re now talking points vs. intangibles….

Talking about our bottom 6 guys?

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

reaching for a joke that didn’t work

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that the new tag-line for the site?

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...

by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t a joke, see the recced comment earlier in the thread.

Besides, mf37 has already debunked the value of intangibles.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

my comment was a joke…..

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obv that one didn’t work either…

Definitely should be the new tag line for the site as suggested above.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

agreed

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

Albert Einstein

by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 2, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kulemin has soooo much potential. Hope he is not cranky about the protracted negotiations, and takes that out on us. Wildcat white Russians.

Came outta the gate slowly last year after attending the Russian Olympic camp, but looked increasingly excellent as the year went along. VERY nice to get him signed.

I’m betting he turns into something very very special for Toronto over the next two years as long as he stays healthy. Either a superb power forward that scores a lot. Or potential Selke candidate with less scoring. Would prefer the former. We need the goals because we ain’t gittin’ Kovy.

What comes next? Kabby for who? No use speculating. Only BB and DN know what may or may not come next.

by Pyramid Power on Jul 3, 2010 5:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Your optimism and positive outlook flatter you. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

On a more serious note, it might be a slight overpayment but Kulemin will be useful. If he can reach the 35-50 plateau (yes, 50 points might be a stretch) that will make the deal more palatable. Also, he wants to be here and he’s youngish. That goes a long way toward Burke’s future plans for the franchise…having born and bred guys stick together makes a room gel, results are in the offing.

Or it turns them into bitter old Leafs that Damien Cox mercilessly attacks because he hasn’t had his morning bagel.

Either way, I’m pumped!

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by BesterThanYesterday on Jul 3, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Sergio Momesso goal. Ouch Bester ouch!

On a serious note, a great writer once said ‘sarcasm is the wit of fools’ with all due respect.

Notice I stressed ‘potential’. I admit I have long drank from the Kulemin Kool-Aid Kanister, but I see a lot with this kid including perhaps a PPG man perhaps not next year and maybe not even the year after that.

“………..Kulemin will be useful.” I think he will be far far more than merely ‘useful’ in the two years ahead of this contract, and hopefully far beyond that. Bruising nasty power forward very responsible defensively and putting up a PPG playing with Kessel and Bozak. Or on the second or third line and a true shut down defensive player with, dare I say it, somethiing near Datysyukian skills. THAT is stretching it, the kid will never be as good as Datsyuk I do not THINK but I surely will hope.

I sheepishly confess I did read that Cox article Chuck, and I hope he is indeed ‘very happy’ and Greenstin is not putting that out there for public consumption.

by Pyramid Power on Jul 3, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cox
Kulemin’s agent, Gary Greenstin, said his client received an offer to move to Russia’s KHL but that the player never used it as leverage in negotiations with Toronto. He said he never even discussed it as an option with Kulemin.

"Nikolai wanted to stay in Toronto. He is a very loyal person," said Greenstin. "He is very happy."

October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin

by Chuck Diesel on Jul 3, 2010 8:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I can't find the right word

Thats not even awesome. Thats like mega-truculiciously-super-mega-awesome

by BCapp on Jul 3, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

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