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Woooooooooo

Good for Burkey for finding away around the arbitration possibility and still keeping our efficient point-scoring machine!!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

3rd line Center….Colby on the right, sjostrom on the left

Toronto Maple Leafs: Looking at next year since 1967

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 2, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly…I suppose Hanson goes on the 4th line with brown and orr…where does grabovski go now?

by TheDeek on Jul 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd line center until further notice

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

it’s too early to be forming line combinations. RW is just going to change them all on the first game anyway.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i wouldnt say the line combos are anything concrete, more or less just seeing what we have

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I foresee

Kessel – Orr – Irwin as our top line.

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A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

intructangebeligerosterone!

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Orr would be deadly in the faceoff circle, one swift punch to the face and the puck is ours!

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Kessel could score, and Irwin could…. uhm

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait

I’ll think of something

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

… still nothing yet

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

shadow puppets?

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bear hug them and take a 2 minute interference penalty!

/d’oh

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

he could make the other team so frustrated in waiting for him that they slash him in the head and get ejected from the game.

Masterplan!

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 2, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

so
as it stands now
Kulie – Bozak – Kessel
?? – Grabbo – Steeg
Armstrong – Mitchell – Shoestorm
Brown – ?? (hanson?)- Orr

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hanson’s gotta be next on the “to-sign” list.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup, he was qualified though, and like kulie has no arbitration rights
my bet he comes in at a similar hit to socks

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t that be a pay cut?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

er…yes, huh, for some reason i was thinking he was making 500k

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nay nay.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh john pinnete you tubby funny man you

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew you’d appreciate it.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Hanson doesn't sign his 105% QO then he's an idiot.

That would put him to 925k-ish.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

He’s not a better player than Mitchell, and as per CBA, he has to earn more, due to the fact that his RFA status means his salary goes up.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya… Free agent signing… comes with the territory to overpay a bit to lure free agents here.

At a minimum QO signing, I can’t really get mad at the Leafs. If he signs for like $1.5M ill be scratching my head.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m really hoping he’s under $1 mill

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If his agent thinks he’s getting more than that QO then he’s in for a world of hurt. Burke Style.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed, he has even less leverage than Kulie

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm

He may end up being a 4th line centre… or competing for the job if Kadri makes the jump.

Bozak, Kadri, Grabbo, Mitchell…. I don’t see Mitchell beating out any of the above for jobs.

Unless they move one of them to wing.

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A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could see him moving Kadri down to the AHL, which I think is good to do for at least part of the year, and then after that we can move Grabbo or someone else in order to make room.

I like to get banged.

by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd love that

But this is one of those things where I think Burke is being legit honest – If Kadri gains the necessary strength and weight, and beats other players out during camp, it’d be tough to send him down.

They can’t save a year of his ELC again if he goes to the A.

I hope he’s not rushed, but he probably will come to camp with something to prove.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was Wilson who was saying that it’s Kadri’s spot to lose?

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever.

Burke = Wilson puppetmaster.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t think it’s that simple. I’m certain Wilson has some say in this.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilson thinks what Burke wants him to think.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have irrefutable proof of this, no doubt.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Ron Wilson, bitches.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats it like working with PPP?

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

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A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like Kadri to get that 7 game tryout and then get sent right back down to the AHL…….no need to rush the kid

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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

If you think he should be starting in the AHL, then start him in the AHL. Why tell him he’s made the team and then send him packing at the end of October?

Why seven games? A year will be coming of his contract no matter if he plays in the AHL or NHL. It just seem arbitrary and out-and-out strange to say “no need to rush the kid” then start him at the higher level with a plan to demote him. It’s like you want him to be working backwards.

Like Rick Bosetti my goal in life is not to do well but to piss on things.

by mudie on Jul 3, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really??

I mean, I am all for JFM being back, but why didn’t they just qualify him first, it just seems puzzling now.

I like to get banged.

by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe he had arbitration rights and the Leafs didn’t want to go there.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh right

Well then, in that case, good deal! I stand corrected.

I like to get banged.

by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, his numbers might show that he’s worth more, but he lacks the intangibles we want for the money arbitration might net him.

by Shield on Jul 2, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Intangibles!

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

that seems to be replacing “truculence” as the catch phrase around here today.

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by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bitches!

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Jul 3, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

intangulence

Kool as KuKumbers Kulemin.... I don't believe in C's, just like Ron Wilson (new signature under construction)

by pesianator on Jul 3, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

testostibles?

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Jul 3, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

pugnacibles…. this is getting hard.

Kool as KuKumbers Kulemin.... I don't believe in C's, just like Ron Wilson (new signature under construction)

by pesianator on Jul 3, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you read the earlier post

when he wasn’t qualified, you’d know that if they had qualified him at 110% – as would be the minimum – he would get $550k for 1 year.

HOWEVER this also gives him the ability to reject the QO and take the Leafs to arbitration – where he could have well gotten a deal over $1m (more than the Leafs wanted to spend) that would be binding, or would have let him walk.

Leafs wanted him – just not over $1m. Let him test a few days of UFA… got him back at a reasonable price.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I read it

I just had a comprehension fail.

I like to get banged.

by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 2, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

SOCKS!

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Everybody needs Socks!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

Was hoping he’d sign with the Pens. The Johnny Malkin Deluxe dream is over…

Alright, in all seriousness, its a good signing at 725k.

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by Jeffler on Jul 2, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

lol……..you got the numbers mixed up

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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

WOOOSH!

I have no idea how it is

Toronto Maple Leafs: Looking at next year since 1967

by LeafFan1989 on Jul 2, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

over my head too ;)

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heheh, don’t worry. The other night, I couldn’t even see straight enough to figure out who was an RFA and UFA on Cap Geek.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cocaine’s a hell of a drug.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with cheap depth. Another good signing by Burke and co.

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by mf37 on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

 Agree. Not huge fan of mitchell last year, but a third line centre at 3/4 of a million is good shit.

by 6rick6 on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!

Burke evidently chose the right strategy in allowing him to become a UFA.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Jul 2, 2010 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel guilty

for ever having questioned his asset management abilities.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh everyone gets to question if they want

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is hardly worth reporting… yawn.

by Parkie10 on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kessel working out is news for us!!!

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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 2, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

After

all those threads of discussion on how poorly Burke was at asset management for not qualifying our cheap point-producer? This completely vindicates him.

Unless some one is still upset about Joel Champagne (who didn’t get drafted by anyone when he was put back in the draft)

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I’m still upset…”

 — Joel Champagne

by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 2, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It answers the question of why he wasn’t qualified. People were curious. Looks like it worked out.

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by PPP on Jul 3, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaberle for a first liner would make this off season great. Even if we need to throw another player/absorb another player (that’s reasonable) in the mix to make the deal go thru. I really like that we’ve improved our team, going for the wins now, without going overboard.

by punjabination on Jul 2, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

anyways

enough Kovy talk, let’s keep this about John Mitchell.

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Mitchell loves Kovy.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Socks.
One year is a great term for him as well.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

gives him time to prove that this past year wasn’t just because the Leafs sucked.

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Play for Pay.

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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we pretty much talked it to death when we thought we let him walk.

Summary: Socks. Everyone needs cheap players. Ours happens to be able to get 20-30 points.

Socks!

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

SOOOOOCKS

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, want me to close the comments?

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by Karina on Jul 2, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup. its depressing.

by Parkie10 on Jul 2, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Asset Management.

I still think there is some discussion to be had about these last two signings.
People were totally WTF about not qualifying Mitchell, Burke made a great move, this combined with the new Kulemin deal and acquiring Versteeg and Armstrong means a whole lot of cussing hope!!!1

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 2, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m excited for October when the season officially starts. Let’s hope I’m still excited in December.

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by whyevenbother on Jul 2, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

More offseason recapping!

Gus signing: A
Didn’t risk drafting Kabanov: F
Drafted Ross, McKegg: B
Versteeg trade: B
Armstrong: D
Mitchell: A
Kulemin: B+ (3 years would have been optimal)
DIDNT GET US KOVALCHUK: F-
WHY DO WE STILL HAVE KABERLE ON OUR ROSTER: D (must…have…patience…)

Overall, B-/C+ so far.

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A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

the F for Kabanov is a bit steep
every team but the bat shit 10×10 for kovalchuk islanders passed on him, there is reasons for that

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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 2, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I expected Burke to cave

to the great Twitter campaign that was Kabanov

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was meant to be

when he fell to the point where our first owned pick was able to snatch him, and we didnt?
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

in a few years he will have firmly established himself as the 80%-malkin.

by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 2, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not upset about McKegg. But a high-risk draft pick could have just been what we needed in our prospect pool.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i meant it was meant to be as a leaf.

i agree with you. i just suck at connotation. the “fuuuck” was one of despair because i have wanted this guy to be a leaf since i heard he would fall out of the top 5 in november.
at first i thought we would have to hope he drops to the bottom of the 1st round where our kaberle pick would snag him.
and then he fell through the 2nd round.
and then he fell right into our laps and we said “no thank you dr. awesome, i dont want my face rocked into space”

i get that mckegg is probably pretty good, but we needed to get this guy also.

by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 2, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re collecting players with funky last names

Greg McKegg, Bill Sweatt, Joey Crabb…

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

sigh… Jeff Finger….

by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 3, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying the events are mutually exclusive… I was unhappy he didn’t risk the pick for Kabanov, but who he did get I was happy with.

My method has very little to do with science, so if we’re questioning the methodology or mutual exclusivity of my ratings… I’m just gunna go ahead and stop you right there.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahah fair enough

by BCapp on Jul 3, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Surely Versteeg is an A-

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 3, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on how high you rate Stalberg, DiDom and (ha!) Paradis.

I thought Stalberg could have legimately turned into a 2nd-3rd line speedy winger, and end up with a few 20-25 goal seasons. He still may.

Versteeg is DEFINITELY an upgrade, but we did not give up NOTHING.

Anything in an A would have been a steal (i.e. Phaneuf, Giguere)

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m bracing myself for how this deal is going to come out in the wash. Stalberg had 9 goals in just under half the season. With a better team around him, playing a full season, why wouldn’t he at least double that total? We could very well have given up a consistent 20-goal scorer in Stalberg (Versteeg had 20 last year), forget the prospects. Plus, Stalberg is much cheaper for the next couple seasons. The grade on this trade could be an F one year from now. We’ll just have to see.

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by JP Nikota on Jul 3, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get your trepidation but Stalberg seems like his ceiling is at 15-20 goals. Versteeg could hit 30 and has hands that are not made of stone. Even then the only way this deal gets an F a year from now is if Stalberg puts up 20 and Versteeg puts up less than 20.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 3, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. If Stalberg puts up 20 goals next year, and say 40 points, And Versteeg winds up with 20 goals, 45 points, the trade gets an F based on salary cap efficiency alone, forget that we also gave up DiDo.

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by JP Nikota on Jul 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if Versteeg does that with Grabovski and Irwin and Stalberg plays with Kane and Toews?

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by Chemmy on Jul 3, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 3, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Plus also, Stalberg may have scored at a similar rate, but he was getting more time on ice than he would have gotten in Chicago, and Versteeg was playing with waaaay less TOI than he would have got in TO. Forget the counting stats, where are the goals/60 numbers?

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 3, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He won’t play with Irwin. That’s just silly.

Bozak, Grabbo, Kadri. No way Versteeg plays any lower than the 2nd line. He’ll probably get decent Kessel time, to boot.

I’d be shocked if Stalberg plays with Kane and Toews all year and only comes up with 40 points. In that case, however, I’d upgrade the trade to a B or C.

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by JP Nikota on Jul 3, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Old School: Off the Record

With JFM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOPVNBqW5eM

(Serious referencing to Ian White’s mustache)

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A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

And

Shootout Eyecandy!

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 2, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

mitchell + gus + kulemin + armstrong for $7.4Mish. can everyone chill about the armstrong signing now?

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by daoust on Jul 3, 2010 12:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Nope… just because he made good decisions on his own player contract doesn’t mean he made a good decision on the UFA signing.

July 1 is not a great day for the Leafs in the past few years. Other than Hagman, can we think of any great UFA signings that have been made? (NHL UFAs, not college or European free agent signings)

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

CuJo. Ha ! you lose!

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by Chuck Diesel on Jul 3, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

i didn’t say he made a good decision. i’m saying they balance each other out. you can’t look at them in isolation.

how many great UFA signings has anyone made? judging by the banter around here about 95% of UFAs are “overpaid” anyway. why are we desperate to get in on that action?

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by daoust on Jul 3, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Top-end UFAs are worth it to overpay for the most part, because they have high-end skill you can’t really acquire anywhere else except drafting extremely high.

Marian Gaborik was another good one… though that was a gamble because of his injuries. Still, the guy is damn good.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Top-end UFAs are worth it to overpay for the most part, because they have high-end skill you can’t really acquire anywhere else except drafting extremely high.

I bet the redwings would disagree.

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by BlueBuds on Jul 3, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh

Obviously the exception, not the rule. If we’re banking on all our 7th round picks to turn into high-end skill players then we need to overthrow this regime in a bloody coup.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m kinda on the fence about it all but this kinda also illustrates that isn’t necessarily the truth either.

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by BlueBuds on Jul 3, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

please use the only example of a team generating high end talent through the very last draft rounds

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by birky on Jul 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

drafting and free agency aren’t the only way. san jose got thornton and heatley via trades.

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by daoust on Jul 3, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

Armstrong + Komisarek + Versteeg = Kovalchuk + Stalberg + whichever cheap young D plays best in camp. I know which combination I’d prefer.

Not criticizing the Versteeg deal just making a point.

All the litle overpayments add up. Last year’s overpayments stole $1.4MM in cap space for this year.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 3, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think at some point the hoopla over Kovalchuk went from, there is probably no chance we’ll get him but oh man wouldn’t it be amazing if we did to Burke is the worst GM ever if he doesn’t sign him and why bother signing anyone else.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 3, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

And now it's back to

Ya there’s no way in hell to get him.

I’m still hoping a cap-crunched team will take Kab in place of a higher-priced top 6 fwd

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

That of Afino or Frolov.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 3, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, i'd prefer to move Kabs salary while he still has value.

I won’t be upset if neither of those two sign here.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

the hoopla over kovalchuk got completely out of hand here.

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by daoust on Jul 3, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

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by mf37 on Jul 3, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still liked it.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’re not mutually exclusive.

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by mf37 on Jul 3, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if Burke didn’t pursue Kovalchuk because he doesn’t like “lifetime” deals a la Hossa he’s a bad GM.

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by Chemmy on Jul 3, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Biff Carrington on Jul 3, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think garth snow is a bad GM.

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by daoust on Jul 3, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

but there’s already evidence that Burke’s pursued Kovalchuk. Leafs, LA and NJ were the top 3 teams in on him on July 1, with one of them “cooling off” yesterday, according to Mirtle. Then the Islanders and their crazy owner threw their hat in the ring….

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by Karina on Jul 3, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think at some point the hoopla over Kovalchuk went from, there is probably no chance we’ll get him but oh man wouldn’t it be amazing if we did to Burke is the worst GM ever if he doesn’t sign him and why bother signing anyone else.

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by BlueBuds on Jul 3, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, eh. You win a bunch, you slightly lose one.

by PhilSpecter on Jul 3, 2010 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

John F*$@#*n' Mitchell. Who F*$#'n' cares??

The good thing about this is that it is a one year deal. It means we are still in a rebuilding mode. When we get into a contending mode he won’t be around.

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 3, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

If he’s still scoring 20+ points on the 4th line making $<1m, I don’t see why we’d just ditch him.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

because he hasn’t scored 20+ points on the 4th line. He’s scored 20+ points with powerplay time and on the 2nd line and 3rd line wings and on 4th line. He has been given far better opportunities because of the horrid forward depth on Leafs teams he has been on. Since he doesn’t produce that much offensively, doesn’t do PK, doesn’t hit, doesn’t fight, isn’t particularly adept at faceoffs and isn’t particularly good as a checker what is his role? He’s filler on a non-playoff team.

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 3, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every team needs filler, you just have to hope it’s cheap.

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by mf37 on Jul 3, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to disagree

On really competitive teams your 3rd and 4th liners bring particular skill sets: agitator, face-off specialist, checker, powerplay specialist, enforcer (although the latter is seldom that important beyond the first playoff round). Mitchell brings none of these. He is average at everything and good at nothing. Our team is not that competitive yet.

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 3, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

Hawks 4th line:
Burish
Eager
Fraser

Collectively, the three of them played all of 1:20 a game on the PK, 0:05 on the PP (that’s combined). None of them dropped the gloves. Fraser was 5th in the team in total face-offs taken and won 48%.

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by mf37 on Jul 3, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you may be helping me prove my point.

Fraser played 3 games in playoffs. That’s how little value such filler has when everyone is healthy. He played lots in regular season because guys like Bolland, Burish and Hossa missed lots of games and because he can play C, the Hawks weakest forward position. He is the Hawks John Mitchell.
Burish is at least an agitator and hitter, but he was dumped for most of the finals and only played 15 of 22 playoff games. [He also missed most of the season due to injury and was far less effective than previous season.]
Eager is a fighter and big hitter. He was the only one you mentioned who really should be listed as part of the 4th line during playoffs.

By minutes played and games played the Hawks 4th line in playoffs was Kopecky, Madden and Eager. A big body front-of-the net presence who can hit, is defensively solid and can occasionally score (4 goals in 17 games); a faceoff, defensive and PK specialist with Cups under his belt, and a fighter/hitter. Mitchell brings none of the above attributes except “occasionally score”.

Last Detroit Cup 4th: Helm, Draper and Maltby. It has special attributes. Devastating speed, faceoffs, chippiness, defensive specialists, PK specialists. Again, which of these attributes would Mitchell bring?

What was Pittsburgh’s 4th: Rupp, Kennedy, Adams or something like that? Special attributes.
 

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 3, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If the Leafs ever make a run, John Mitchell (in his current incarnation) will not be a part of it.

As the Leafs improve, they need a bottom three that make close to league minimum, don’t get exposed, and can occasionally step up to play 3rd line minutes. Mitchell fits that to a T.

If you can find a replacement player that can eat Mitchell’s minutes, put up similar box cars, won’t get exposed at ES, doesn’t cost the team anything to acquire and will sign for less than $750K I’d love to hear it.

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by mf37 on Jul 3, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be happy to see Mitchell back, as long as he showed signs of developing some kind of specialty – face-offs, PK, high energy, etc.

Though I suppose Shoot-Out could be his specialty….

by not norm ullman on Jul 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is definitely emerging as a shootout specialist.

by Shield on Jul 3, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He also had an injury riddled season. For 750k, you need a 4th line centre.

We could be paying Manny Malhotra 2.5M for the next 3 years instead.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 3, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 3, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is a good thing that shows Burke’s intelligence; he knows Mitchell’s numbers might screw us in arbitration, but also knows that Mitchell probably won’t duplicate those now that we have a bit more going on at forward, and barring injuries, Mitchell will be playing 4th line minutes.

by Shield on Jul 3, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope hes more John Fucking Mitchell this year than fucking John Mitchell.

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by Clawson on Jul 3, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Just remember this: it wasn’t that long ago that pretty much everybody around here, including at least one of our Benevolent Overlords, was waaaaaay down on Ian White. The words “useless” and “terrible” got bandied about an awful lot around here when he was being discussed.

Example (not picking on PPP, my point is that what he wrote was essentially convential “wisdom” at the time): September 3, 2008 feature called “Reading the Tea Leafs – Ian White” on this very blog…

In a perfect world, White would have sat all of last season so that Jay Harrison (so long!), Staffan Kronwall, or Anton Stralman would have received a much better chance to showcase their talent. Instead, we were treated to Bryan McCabe Mk II – Miniature Edition. We were treated to seeing an undersized defenceman unable to use his speed, unwilling to physically engage opponents, and completely one-sided. If the puck wasn’t on his forehand then he couldn’t handle it.

The most painful part? While every other defenceman on the Leafs has been injured White just keeps on ticking. There was no relief from his presence on the blueline.

Projected 2008-2009 role/team
If I was in Cliff Fletcher’s shoes White’s Leafs’ career would be over just as soon as I could find someone to trade me a prospect/late round draft pick for him.

I’m not suggesting that Ian White is the second coming of Nik Lidstrom, and I’m not suggesting that every player who’s been described as “terrible” will turn out to be useful. The point is rather that sometimes, players struggle for a bit, then turn it around. Sometimes, of course, they struggle for a bit, carry a purse, get traded to Anaheim and then Calgary, and still can’t understand why their nickname is “dogshit”.

Taking everything into consideration, though – JFM is cheap and young. If what people mean when they say he is “terrible” and “useless” is that he is “not Sidney Crosby”, well, obvious point is obvious, good for you. If what they mean is that he can’t competently perform any role on an NHL team, I say it’s too early to tell about that, and that the evidence is mixed. Prior to struggling a little at the start of last year (the whole team did) and then getting injured, JFM showed some promise. We’re not going to win the Cup this year. If it only costs $750k to try him out again on a limited basis and in a limited role, and as long as he’s not taking ice time away from someone who crucially needs the playing time…well, why the hell wouldn’t we do it?

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by jrwendelman on Jul 3, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

P.S. – not picking on you either, Clawson, your comment was just the last one on the page.

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by jrwendelman on Jul 3, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

IN MY DEFENCE!

I was right about what he had contributed up until that point. I had no clue what he could provide. If only I was proven wrong in such amazing and fun ways all of the time!

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