Who is Marek Svatos?
by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintNow that Kovalchuk is officially off the market and not a Leaf, I thought I'd take a look at another young scoring free agent winger - Marek Svatos. Svatos is only 28 years old, but has had a checkered career thus far. He came into the league with a bang in 2005-2006, scoring 32 goals. Then the injuries hit. The following year he had a groin injury, limiting him to 66 games with only 15 goals and 15 assists. The next year was a bit of a rebound, he scored 26 goals in 66 games but missed the final 18 games of the season with a torn ACL. 2008-2009 saw a continuation of the injury problems with a broken hand, limiting him to just 14 goals in 69 games. Finally last year, despite being a contract year, he only had 7 goals and 4 assists in 54 games. Ouch. And he had a pretty bad GVT of 0.1, which puts him 7th worst on the Avs, and a Corsi of -3.62 which is actually 4th best, since the Avs were a terrible Corsi team last year.
Of course, there are a few things to like about him. First is this post on his facebook page. I mean, a girl has a monkey named after him!!! And this goal from the playoffs last year. But really what it comes down to is that as far as former 30 goal scorers who are UFAs go, the options seem to be Frolov or Svatos and Svatos will be cheap while Frolov will not. Despite being listed as a right wing, there are a number of game threads over at Mile High Hockey indicating that Svatos has played left wing a few times in his career. So, is Svatos done, or could he be in for an Afinogenov-like rebound? I'm guessing he'll sign for cheap - his cap hit last year was just over $2 million, and with the injuries and horrible stats of the past few years, I can't even see him getting the $1 million Afinogenov got last year. Is it worth the risk?
Oh yeah, here's your links.
- Leaked: Ilya Kovalchuk's contract
Down Goes Brown uses his sources to get us a copy of Kovalchuk's contract. Looks like everything is in order. - After Kovalchuk and Gagne, where –if anywhere- do the dominoes fall for the Leafs?
Vintage Leaf Memories muses on what will happen now for the Leafs, and Kovalchuk in New Jersey. - Pre-Moustachulence
Vintage Leafs has a bunch of new photos up, including this funny one of Lanny McDonald. - Kovalchuk Signs with the Devils
MLHS expects the dam to burst now that Kovalchuk's chosen a team. - Simulation of GVA and the estimation error of GVA
DoctorMyBrainHurts at Behind The Net tries to see how well GVA predicts goaltender performance. - Simon Gagne Quote
Please read this quote from Simon Gagne over on Raw Charge before cursing Burke for not trading for him. - The Kovalchuk Signing and YOU!
Yakov Mironov writes on LeafsHQ about what Kovalchuk's signing means for Leafs fans. - Are We Ready for 2010-2011?
LeafsWire.ca looks at the current Leafs roster, and analyzes if they are ready for the 2010-2011 season, and what they should do to get ready. - Leafs Roster Still Filled With Plenty of Question Marks
maple stir-up doesn't like what he sees when he looks at the Leafs' roster. - The Men Behind the Burke
Chansler's piece at Hockey Quarterly about the Leafs' many assistant GMs.
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I just read that he's great in front of the net
Isn’t that exactly what we’ve been searching for? With Komi, Beauch, Schenn and Phaneuf (especially Phaneuf) blasting shit from the point, he would be great to have around. I also read in this scouting report that he is good at getting garbage goals, fighting for rebounds, etc. Also, the reason he did good those years were because the Avs offense revovled around point shots, but it wasn’t the past couple years.
All comes down to cost.
If Burke signed him, I could easily see him becoming the next Leafs whipping boy if he continues to suck.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Svatos
is not really a serious option. He’s too small, too injury prone, and too crappy over the past couple of years.
I also don’t really think Frolov is an option at this point given his cost, and the fact that he’s a UFA. Burke is going to look at trades.
Of course right now he says he’s not getting offers that are close to what he wants, so right now it’s quite possible the Leafs end up with the same roster they have right now.
Not that that would be the worst thing in the world. They’ll be fine next year. One step closer than last year is my guess.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Bring back tucker!!
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by Future_considerations on Jul 20, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions
My favourite Tucker pose
What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Tucker but...
He’s done. He’s not even the same physical player he once was. I’d be surprised if anyone signs him this season.
Good thing we’re still paying him, or he’d starve!
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by Fergus30 on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right now, I need to see a guy who’ll make the players better, and I want us to get Svatos only if he’s that type of guy. Unfortunately, it looks like he hasn’t gotten over his injuries. Another Coliacovo? Except he once scored 30+
What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation
You can tell the remaining UFA list is pathetic when Svatos is actually being considered.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree, only way burke gets his top 6 guy now is through trade. The devils are the best bet, now that they need to unload (If they’re willing to move a top 6 guy)
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by Future_considerations on Jul 20, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
We need to stop dreaming about Zajac people. The Devils will move two out of Salvador, Zubrus and Langenbrunner, and they’re set.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, they WILL NOT move Zajac unless a 1st line center is coming back
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
darn! (removes wool from eyes)
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by Future_considerations on Jul 20, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I would only be down for Svatos if he was extremely cheap. Basically pay him almost nothing and hope he can stay healthy and and have a comeback season of sorts.
Otherwise no thanks.
His career stats
could be the most inconsistent and all over the map I’ve ever seen
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Only under 800 K (and preferably 2 way)
Colorado is my second favourite team (its easy to have a second favourite when they are in a different conference) and I remember being excited about him and Wolski. But over the last couple years that excitement has turned to raw dread.
I’m pretty sure he’s no longer eligible for a 2-way deal.
I think Svatos would be a good bet for some team for $1MM or less, but I’m not sure we’re that team. His two good years he had insane shooting percentages, so those scream “fluke” to me.
He’s also made of glass (career high of 69 GP).
Svatos, to me, would be a good risk for a team like Pittsburgh that is in the running for a Cup but desperate for wingers. For us? The best case scenario is he has a good year and we trade him for a 2nd at the deadline. Frankly I’d rather keep our vacant top 6 spot open for the likes of Mueller, Caputi and Kadri.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t believe there are any restrictions on 2-way deals.
Remember, a 2-way deal only affects how much salary you get paid in the NHL vs. the AHL. On a 1-way deal, you get the same salary no matter which league you play in. On a 2-way you get less.
He’d still e subject to waivers were he to be sent down, but I don’t think there’s a cutoff for offering a 2-way deal.
Case in point – Zigomanis is 29 and signed a 2-way deal. Also, I’m pretty sure Chelios’ contract with the Thrashers was a 2-way deal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, you’re right. At a certain point QOs have to be one way but players are always free to negotiate a 2-way. I was thinking of the RFA process.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
“Technically correct with chocolate frosting” = Better kind of correct.
by not norm ullman on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
“Frankly I’d rather keep our vacant top 6 spot open for the likes of Mueller, Caputi and Kadri.”
Like this idea. Especially to start the season.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 20, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
17 Years.
Was thinking about that last night, Kovy is signed until I am 42, that’s insane.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions
44 actually.
Fun fact: 25 players have played past the age of 42. (7 were goalies)
Links: Skaters Goalies
Missing from these lists: Andy Bathgate (42) and Harry Howell(43) because they played those years in the WHA, and Theo Fleury(42?) because he only played preseason, and Mark Recchi(42) because he hits 42 this year.
Also, because the cutoff is not the end of the season, you can also make a case for Dave Keon, Tommy Albelin, Ed Belfour, and Curtis Joseph to this list. This makes 29 players. Ever.
Therefore, the last two years (or probably three) of this contract should be nullified. 42 was a reasonable arguement. 44 is not.
Players at 41: >50
Players at 42: 29
Players at 44: 8
EIGHT PLAYERS IN HISTORY PLAYED AT 44, AND FOUR WERE GOALIES (and one extended his career so he could play with his sons). Therefore, it is clear that there is no real chance of the signed player ever playing all the years in their SPC, and therefore it should be considered a circumvention of the cap.
Here’s another way of looking at it:
1248 players in history have played at least 500 games in the NHL. 4 of them played when they were age 44.
If some GM or owner doesn’t write this exact letter to Gary Bettman, they should all be fired. Every one of them.
Also, in the years he’s making 11 million, 36,000$ of that paycheck comes directly from Alex Ovechkin thanks to the wonders of escrow. Maybe he should complain too.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Until Plea himself is 42, making him 25 at the moment. I’m guessing they don’t push reading comprehension in Buffalo public schools as much as they should.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He said
Kovy is signed until I am 42
Him… not Kovy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
44 actually.
I didn’t realize that you knew how old PFaCNF is. Incredible coincidence that Kovalchuk is the same age.
It annoys me that i can’t edit comments.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Still, where did the lighter fluid come from?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Its contracts like this crap that make it hard for the teams that only have a salary budget equal to the cap to sign players. That, and the cap circumvention is so hilariously blatent you have to take a stand. I mean, with Hossa at 42, you at least have a case that he’ll probably be in the AHL at least that year, but at 44 you don’t have a case at all.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Yea, it’s just so evidently transparent.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m also going to point out that you read PFACNF’s original comment wrong.
It was still an interesting post, though.
by Bower Power on Jul 20, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind, i did too much work for this not to be a fanpost. Plus there is a minor error.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I think there is 2 types of response from fans about this 17 year contract
1 – Fans who are all for it and amazed that they got Kovy for a 6m cap hit
2 – Jealous fans.
Ya but seriously, I know what you mean. Some one was going off on twitter last night showing how all the lifetime deals so far – lecavelier, zetterberg, franzen, savard, etc. could have just added 5 years at a 500k cap hit and lowered the cap hit over 2-3M.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, seems like Burke isn’t the only one who doesn’t want to utilize this loophole.
Someone made a good point about the escrow element as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Frankly
It’s beyond idiotic to add deals that are so way beyond the scope of the term of the current CBA.
No CBA in recent memory has lasted much longer than 5 years without a work stoppage of some sort, and a fairly major restructuring of Free Agency, contract paramaters, etc.
I just think signing any player to a 17 year long deal is insane from a tying your hands perspective down the road.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Beyond idiotic? The Devils are going to run out two 40 goal scorers in their prime for the next four or five years.
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Beyond idiocy is awesomeness?
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by Biff Carrington on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
For my sake
I sure hope so.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I still don't see them winning a cup
With their D as currently constituted… and with Brodeur aging as rapidly as he is.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh and
I don’t think Kovy keeps scoring 40+ goals as you think he does. He’s going to start declining in the next 2-3 years… it’s pretty standard.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
So he declines to a consistent 30-35 goal scorer? Still a bargain.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
$6 mill
for a 30-35 goal guy? Not a bargain… sorry.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
On the UFA market? Yes it is.35 goals and 70 points is a bargain and will become a better bargain as the salary cap goes up.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
No...
the UFA thing is irrelevant. A bargain cap hit has nothing to do with HOW you get the player.
The contract is either good value, or not. You don’t get to say “but we signed him as a UFA so its’ good value”.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
But it’s not just about contract value; you can judge a player based on what you gave up to get them. In the case of UFAs, nothing.
by Bower Power on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
In a cap world, the cap hit and production are all that really matter. I admit losing no “assets” is of value, but in this case he was obtained via trade before that, so you’re still not really winning on that front.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Thought experiment. Player A is a good player who you want to sign.
As a UFA he costs $6M at age 25.
In an alternate universe he’s an RFA at age 25 and you offer sheet him for $6M and give up two first round draft picks.
Are those contracts the same value?
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Once the trade has passed
sunk cost has nothing to do with the “value”… so yes.
They’re of equivalent value.
Not equivalent cost… but yes… equivalent value.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
This is incorrect. In one of those scenarios you’ll have two young first round prospects ready to outperform their ELCs.
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that's assuming
your 1st rounders develop into anything. A lot of them don’t.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
So worst case scenario is that it’s a wash.
If neither of your first round picks ever outplay an ELC.
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It’s a choice that you would make UP FRONT, but once you have made the choice, it’s all sunk costs.
What is better, a 3 year old nuclear power plant that cost $200 M to build and produces 100 Megawats a year, or a 3 year old nuclear power plant that cost only $50 M to build, but now produces 99.5 Megawats a year.
Up front you take cheap one every time… less cost for almost exactly the same thing. 1 year in, if you have to choose which one to dynamite you are basically indifferent… the money that you spent to build it is irrelevant at this point. It’s a sunk cost. It is gone.
That’s not accurate at all.
In this case, we bought Kessel (the 100MW plant) not for money, but for assets in hand. We had the 99.5 MW plant already.
To break the analogy down: Two firsts and a second weren’t 50M dollars. We didn’t have to spend them to get something back; they were going to produce something eventually. The choices weren’t “Buy this asset or buy that asset,” it was “buy this asset or keep these assets.”
But the other problem with the analogy is that we don’t actually know the production of any of these power plants. We can only guess. A trade like Kessel’s is trading away a set of smaller reactors for one large plant. This was only a good option if we gained more than we got. Regardless of the maintenance costs (cap hit), in order to justify giving up assets for Kessel, he needs to out perform “what could have been.”
Full disclosure: I am a fan of the Kessel trade.
This thread argument reminds me of Cox and his giving up of a first and a second for Schenn.
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It was Schenn’s rookie year. He would continuously venture into the comment section on his “blog” and berate commenters for not agreeing with him about what the Leafs gave up. Exchanging firsts to him meant the Leafs gave up a first.
Don’t read him anymore.
Glad to be #Coxblocked
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As long as we’re talking Schenn what’s with people so down on Schenn?
He had a sophomore slump for half a year but really played well after Novemberish in my mind.
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by Chemmy on Jul 20, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
people are idiots
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
WTF
only 1 rec?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Kessel and I’m ok with the trade for him.
My point is only if we’re ok giving up two firsts and $5.4M for Kessel I don’t see giving up $6M in cap space for a long time as more expensive.
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It’s like you’re reading my thoughts today. Agree 100% with this and your comment above re. Schenn.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
On further thought, we are talking about the point at which the deal is made, right.
So we are comparing the decision to acquire Kessel vs. the decision to acquire Kovy.
Cost of Kessel:
3 future players, at least 1 of whom is likely to be pretty good (median value not as high as kessel, but with a lot of variance – could range from 0 good players to maybe 2 players better than him).
+ 5.5 M a year ongoing.
Cost of Kovy
6M a year ongoing.
Kessel has a lower guaranteed cost, but given the average expected loss on the gamble we gave up for him, likely a higher total cost.
Kovy’s contract is going to turn into an albatross at some point, unless he can be convinced to retire young, so you’d have to look at that as a small negative in NPV at the time the deal is made.
Net result: Kovy is likely the better value.
Reason not to beat yourself up too much: These deals are rare, the Kovy one verges on cheating, and, more importantly, the real question isn’t “did we get a better deal than X”, it is “did we get an overall net positive result for our action.”
I’ll say yes, but who knows.
You're considering it at the time of the transaction
I’m talking 4 years down the line.
Kovalchuk at $6 mill when he’s 31 vs. Kessel at $5.4 when he’s 26.
I’ll take Kessel.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
you give up cap space, which is a commodity.
you always give up something.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
But first round picks and prospects are also a commodity.
If we could have gotten Kessel for $6M but not paid one of those first round picks there will be significant cap savings when that first rounder plays on his ELC.
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everything is a commodity
so the argument that picking up UFAs is all freebee is false, regardless of who the UFA is.
i’m not saying anything more or less than that.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but if we give up cap space to protect assets that’s not always a black and white good or bad thing.
There’s a cap space dollar value with young players outperforming their ELCs.
It’s not really discussed here because we only have one guy who will probably do it.
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a 1st round pick
has value until it’s used in the draft… then it’s a player of completely different value.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
True
30-35 goal scorers are a dime a dozen on the free agent market.
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by SkinnyFish on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ha ha, rec’d.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
marleau & kovalchuk
there were 5 total and only 2 were UFAs (above).
the RFAs were matt moulson, pat hornqvist, and bobby ryan.
moulson might be a flash/fluke, hornqvist will probably be cheap for nashville, and bobby ryan would rationally cost us as much as kessel to acquire.
so keep the face open and the palms in vegas.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Next time I used sarcasm, I’ll be sure to put up this sign for you.
:I’M USING SARCASM:
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Like this
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
actually would have been helpful here
i thought you were on the burtch train of thought.
i also looked it up and it was only 5x 30 goal scorers out of 08-09 as well:
2x UFA and 3x RFA:
RFA- kessel (yay!)
UFA- cammalleri (oops, thats a miss)
UFA- hossa (retirement contract)
RFA- booth
UFA- sedin (how is it tampering if we still couldnt get them? tamper-fail!)
“the more you know….”
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Then it's time to switch to...
paper and ass.
Bureaucrats figured this out lonnnng ago.
by not norm ullman on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to make this green
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 20, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong how?
First off… that’s exactly why you don’t get a 30-35 goal guy via UFA… it’s too expensive.
Secondly… he has NOT produced at the same rate in Jersey that he did in Atlanta, and they won dick all with him so far.
I’m not going to call $6 mill a bargain before he’s played a minute with that deal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Tell me how to get a 30-35 goal guy. TO get Kessel we gave up a king’s ransom. Don’t give me a list of low round picks who turned out, that’s like making 6/49 your retirement plan. Don’t tell me “Stefanovich, D’Amigo, D. Mitchell”, etc etc. No one thinks they are elite prospects.
Tell me how we get another elite goal scorer. A realistic plan.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He was RFA
and he’s ENTERING HIS GOAL SCORING PRIME.
Kovy is LEAVING his.
Big distinction.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
$5.4 mill
cap hit is better than 6.
And over the next 5 years, Kessel likely scores more goals than Kovalchuk.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
And over the next 5 years, Kessel likely scores more goals than Kovalchuk.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Doubtful. I’d say Kovalchuk scores more in 4 than Kessel in 5.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Based on your understanding
of the trajectory of goal production from players over the age of 27? and players at the age of 22? You’d argue that?
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Forget trends and fuzzy definitions of what is and isn’t a hockey players prime and look at the two players in question.
One is 27 and has 6 straight seasons with 40+ goals on a horrendous team surrounded by nobodies. And is a beast on the PP. Now he’s on a legit contender with talented players.
One 22 and has 2 30 goal seasons; one on a 1st place team; the other on a 29th place team, his current one for the next 4 years. He can’t score on the PP and has crappy teammates.
Who do you have your money on? Mine’s on Kovalchuk.
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Sorry
that isn’t how prediction works. You don’t just look at past performance and assume it continues forever. That’s not realistic.
Wayne Gretzky didn’t have a 50+ goal season past the age of 27 years of age. he also once scored 92 goals in a single season.
I’m not going to suddenly assume Kovalchuk bucks the general trend of 50+ goal talent because I think Jersey is “stacked” with talent. That’s absurd when only like 4 players in the history of NHL hockey have produced 50+ goal seasons past the age of 27, and only like 8 or 9 EVER have regularly produced 40+ goal seasons after the age of 27.
It’s just COMPLETELY unrealistic to assume he’s going to automatically be another one of the top 10 scorers in history.
Seriously… think about how many good goal scorers have existed.
mike bossy didn’t do it, mario lemieux didn’t do it, steve yzerman didn’t do it… SERIOUSLY think about this.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
whats the link to that 500-g scorer prime chart?
the one where they are all overlaid onto one graph…
ive read it a few times and always lose the link.
it always makes me optimistic about kessel.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 20, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2010/7/17/1574164/the-history-of-50-goal-scorers
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok
so 11 players in NHL history have recorded more than 1 50 goal season after their 27th birthday.
I’d say so far his trajectory is close to the likes of LaFontaine, or Robitaille.
He’ll be good for a while… but he won’t be potting 50 all the time anytime soon.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks.
there was another one not as recent, that displayed it in a line graph. im a visual person so i liked that one better.
but not too hard to make my own graph w/ the numbers. to the excel-atron!
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 20, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I like it. It’s got numbers AND colors!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
And we gave up Seguin, Knight and a 1st!!!
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
how many goals have they scored?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh sure, they’re obviously worthless.
The point is Steve still hasn’t answered my question of where we’re going to get another goal scorer, and he is treating the cost of Kessel as if it’s just $5.4MM. It’s salary PLUS losing out on the potential benefits of Seguin, Knight and a #1. That’s a huge cost.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
so, how many potential goals have they scored?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
What the hell does that mean?
Bah, I’m done.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
No
It’s $5.4 million… we can’t just assume Seguin or Knight have any success in the NHL. Even once they do it’s SUNK cost and irrelevant to the current value.
Kessel is worth whatever he’s worth… and the cost is separate from the value… you’re conflating the two.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys are mixing up
Present Value, Future Value, and COST… they aren’t all the same damn thing.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because I paid
$20 for something doesn’t mean it forever is worth said $20. It could go down in value, or up. The value isn’t forever attached to the cost… STOP ATTACHING KESSEL’S VALUE TO THE COST.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
If Kessel scores
100+ goals in the next two years, and Seguin and Knight have horrible concussions and retire… do people suddenly think GEEZ so great that we got Kessel and ignored that Seguin and Knight thing…
probably… but the two aren’t directly attached.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Steve, I fully understand value vs. cost. My point is we need an elite forward. Getting one like Kessel costs cap hit plus assets. Getting one like Kovy only costs cap hit.
I agree their value going forward is independent of cost. But cost is what I’m focussed on since we still need said asset!!!
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly!
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jul 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just as many as Kadri. With a better plus/minus.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Pipe down.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i admit, i laughed…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
i hate this reasoning
and they won dick all with him so far.
dan marino. marcel dionne. adam oates. roy halladay.
team sports need teams to win championships. one guy doesnt go out and win everything by his lonesome, no matter how good at his position he is.
maybe if marty wasnt playing like dick. maybe if jacques knew how to use a sniper on the pp. maybe if paul martin had been 100%.
you cant just clip a guy for the failings of a team. atlanta was balls the entire time he was there, save that one season when hossa had 100 and kozlov had 80, and lo & behold they made the playoffs.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 20, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk
is not worth the amount he’s chewing up on New Jersey’s roster… they’re going to trade away assets to compensate for his deal, and they over-paid in term, and probably cap hit.
In a couple of years, he’ll be roughly equivalent to Lecavalier, and nobody will be saying what a great deal it is.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, i think it was FTR who had a linkup on what was considered a player’s prime age……..
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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah it was on the Kings site.
And it was looking at ONLY 50+ goal scorers in NHL history… and they virtually ALL declined past age 27. The only one’s that exceeded it were Dionne, Esposito, and Mullen … you had consistency from the likes of Gartner as well… but the vast majority never hit 50 goals again once they were 27 years of age.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Except Bucyk <3
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for everything.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I am withing walking distance of the Bobby Orr Hall of Fame, I may do down there with my Leafs Jersey and re-write some History.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Crying at what could have been doesn’t re-write history.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
There will be pictures.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
In the newspaper above the caption “local man escorted from museum”?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Replace escorted with forcibly removed and we’re talking.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Escorted fits on the headline better.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That chart also showed that Mike Bossy was rediculous. The one year he didn’t score over 50 goals, he retired.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Yeah he was awesome
Too bad…
He and Bobby Orr – retired too young… also both great examples of why a 17 year contract is an insane idea.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
How is that an example of it being an insane idea? If Kovalchuk retires the cap hit disappears.
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I think
they may close that loophole in the next CBA… he can keep the contract, but the cap hit can’t entirely disappear. It’s getting more and more ludicrous every free agent season.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
This contract will be grandfathered in short of the entire league turning on Lou Lamoriello.
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They might have to
I sincerely fail to grasp how GM’s can work so hard at fucking up a system to the point that they bend all the rules so that the rules need to be changed.
It’s like they just don’t give a shit about the long term impacts (OH WAIT!)… Lameirello is retiring soon, he doesn’t give a flying fuck about what happens in 5 years… let alone 17.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
hell
he probably won’t be ALIVE in 17 years…. not that I wish that on him or anything.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
i.e. when he retires
make them buyout the remainder.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s no way the next CBA closes loopholes by retroactively punishing people who played within the rules.
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You mean like the last CBA
that required players to deposit money in an escrow account so that they could have their salaries reduced in case the league didn’t make enough cash – out of their GUARANTEED contracts?
Or perhaps the fact that the players voluntarily rolled back their salaries by 27%? yeah the CBA would NEVER ever punish people in any way shape or form for playing within said rules.
Maybe not ownership, but they’ve punished players lots in the past.
Also see every player accessing free agency as an RFA rather than UFA in recent memory.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Think of it this way
the last CBA, the players got fucked over… this change wouldn’t fuck over Kovalchuk, it would screw over the owners of NJ.
In the next CBA if Fehr comes in, I don’t think it would really bother Kovalchuk at all if such a change occurred… it’s not his problem.
It would remove this type of contract though, and really the owners would be in favour of that as a group because it limits their spending long term.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Goal scoring prime
is pre-27 years of age typically.
It’s actually 25-27 for top snipers… if that.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
You could argue he's still in his prime until he's 30...
past that … down hill from a goal scoring perspective.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s exceptionally unlikely that any new CBA is going to make this look like a bad deal. The last go around players took a big salary cut to comply with the cap and frankly with Fehr on board I don’t see a further salary cut coming. More likely is a limit on term, which couldn’t affect Kovy and would further solidify NJ’s competitive advantage with this deal.
Again, this guy’s in his prime, has no injury history and is barely making more than Kessel.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The way they should do it.
Any player who retires during a contract signed before the age of 35 will have that count against the cap until such time it expires or is bought out by the team, with the same buy out penalties as any other player
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It’s hard to hate anyone if they’ll sign for a million. Svatos will probably get hurt but maybe that’s a nice time to introduce Kadri to the lineup.
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Yea, if he comes cheap and can stay healthy then what do we have to lose?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to hate anyone if they’ll sign for a million
Ya but 1.45M? Damn you Lebda!!!!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a fine line.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems about right.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d take Svatos on a pump and dump. Offer him $1M, a one year deal and top six time to prove he belongs in the NHL. Trade him at the deadline.
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pump and dump? whats that?
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by Future_considerations on Jul 20, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Something that probably violates one of Burke’s nonsensical rules.
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Still available!
He’s like getting a free 2nd round pick at the deadline!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
This would be an interesting theory to test.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
its worked the past two years!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s a trend! Pro-rate that shit to eternity! Math never lies!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
See: The second sentence in his comment.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Pump & Dump FTW!
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by Future_considerations on Jul 20, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Now you’re on the trolley.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Martin Skoula, except we play him a bit and make it look like we were seriously thinking about keeping him.
What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation
Skoula was not a pump and dump.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
What does he come under then?
What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
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a flip
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Quid pro quo?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
does the CBA still allow for
‘Team’ or ‘Player’ option years on contracts?
1 year deal with a one year club option?
Just wondering, because that would be a prime contract candidate for a pump and dump
Or did those go by the wayside since the last CBA
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 20, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that’s allowed.
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OMG Lebd—grrrrowwwl
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by Future_considerations on Jul 20, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to hate anyone if they’ll sign for a million
Rikard Wallin would like a word with you.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a fair point. Plus he got us the monster and I still hated him.
Hm.
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It is a sign of pure desparation
and lack of patience that anyone would even consider Svatos. One 50 point season but not recently. Last 4 seasons of 30, 37, 34, 11 … not goals, total points. This guy totally sucks. He gets benched with regularity, is soft as a bunny and is purely a perimeter player. Whoever wrote that he goes to the front of the net may be recalling distant memories. He hasn’t done it much in recent years. He was below Tucker on the Colorectal Avalanche depth charts fer chrisakes. I’d rather they sign nobody.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 20, 2010 8:55 AM EDT reply actions
true
but what are the better options for a super cheap top 6 filler winger ?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone from the Marlies.
Or the budding superstar we get out of Kabbie
What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation
The idea is to give the kids time on the Marlies to develop by putting someone in the top six.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I need to re-evaluate the Marlies.
There’s got to be someone there who can be a filler for us.
What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation
This is the endless debate though...
Half the time we seem to think the best idea is to fill in players from the Marlies, the other half of the time we seem to think it’s best to fill in the Leafs roster with cheap 1-year deals to give time for the kids to develop….
And around and around we goooooooo
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s very subjective. Do you think the kids are ready for the NHL? Is there a player you can grab for pennies on the dollar to shelter someone without making a long commitment?
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yup, i’d rather play caputi than say, give afiniganov a 4 year 4 mil deal
but id rather take a flyer on a <1m deal maybe player than rush a kid and give him that extra year to develop
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
But Afinogenov for $4M and one year is a palatable option.
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agreed, term is the thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah the subtleties of the salary cap.
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What about Afinogenov at league minimum for four years?
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what about a cask of Jameson for four dollars?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Where can you get Jameson for that cheap? Tell me your ways!
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
If I knew that I’d have died of alcohol poisoning long ago
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
All three of these guys need to prove they deserve that spot not have it handed to them.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Who’s handing it to them? Best guy gets the job. The other two need to play themselves off the Marlies
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Yeah, they need to beat out each other.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Now things are getting kinky.
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Ha ha, I guess I just don’t see the winner between the three as necessarily being ready, only a better option than the other two.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I amend my previous statement to reflect this.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
but what are the better options for a super cheap top 6 filler winger ?
If he isn’t a top 6 winger on Colorado why would we want him on Leafs as top 6 winger?? It’s not like Colorado is a scoring-machine with surplus parts..
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 20, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
If he’s at least cheap it’s a start.
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Jonathon Cheechoo will be cheap too. Would you sign him to be a top 6 winger if he was cheap? Similar stories: had a great season five years ago then tailed off, had injury problems, coming off crap season, questionable work ethic, etc. And Cheechoo has better numbers since his big season than Svatos. I would rather have an empty roster spot than pencil either of these guys in as a top 6 no matter how cheap.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 20, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
cheechoo has senator stink on him
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I can smell him from here.
If I can't be a good example, then I will just have to serve as a horrible warning...
by CancerousRocket on Jul 20, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
well for starters about half of those guys are untouchable and non of em are UFA’s and would cost assets to aquire
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, but we really have one major hole left to fill, one major asset left to deal (Kabby), and a whole bunch of “You want ’em? Take ’em!” filler SPCs we could move.
We only need one player off a list like that, and we’d be in a considerably better position than if we’d gone with a filler. I mean, even if we’re sheltering the kids, we don’t have any far and away “oh my god, he’ll be a great scoring winger” prospects. I’m not comfortable better the farm on the fact that Caputi develops…
well yes, I mean if we can get, say James Neal or who the fuck ever for Kaberle, that would be a better option
I think the whole thought experiment is in a “no one else is coming” kinda way
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Svatos
No. Just no.
He absolutely KILLED my fantasy pool that year he tanked and got 30 points. I thought i had found a late round gem, but sucked.
For this, I can never forgive him. Say no to Marek Svatos. It is not a coincidence at all that his lone season as a 30 goal scorer came when the Avs had a stacked offense. He was playing soft minutes and getting the puck from some truly elite linemates.
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shhhhh
you’re ruining it
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
stir the pot, stir the pot.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 20, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Quiet. Nobody else gets it.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
oh pooh
even after 80 something comments in…?
that’s even funnier actually.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, Hockey talk is hockey talk.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
and whargarbl is whargarbl…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
herrrrr
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That too.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
See what you’ve done blurr? They’re going to slowly figure it out.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
figure what out?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
*taps nose
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
*pulls hair
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by Future_considerations on Jul 20, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No Kaberle deal this week
From Twitter:
DarrenDreger Burke says he’s fishing this week and out of cell service until Monday. Kaberle camp says they’ve heard nothing. Quiet until next week.
Seems about right.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought the consensus was “you can’t believe anything Burke says”
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
When you say you’re going on vacation, do you specify that you won’t have cell service? Hell, do you even know whether or not you’ll have cell service? Unless he’s planning on deep sea fishing…I just take it as “leave me alone.”
by Bower Power on Jul 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Tricky Lawyer-speak! It’s just a diversion while Nonis gets us 10 1st round picks!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
So much for that “it’s fine he’s on vacation he’s obviously checking his phone” theory.
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I look forward to hearing about your new 365 day a year job, since that’s apparently what you feel Burke is required to do.
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You’re an accountant. Do you get to take vacation two weeks before audits or tax reports are due?
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That’s how the people at my work roll.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
In most well run businesses there are plenty of times during the year that people can’t take vacation because there’s work to do.
I’d be annoyed if my boss took off two weeks during a critical phase of my project and I’m annoyed Burke took two weeks off during his. He can take all the fucking vacation in the entire world between August 15th and October when the season starts; after he’s traded Kaberle and was at least around the office listening to offers.
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I hear what you’re saying and agree with you, but there really aren’t that many places left on the globe where on can be unreachable, if he needs to know/do something it’ll get done. Or Nonis will do it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke says he’s fishing this week and out of cell service until Monday.
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copied from my comment above.
When you say you’re going on vacation, do you specify that you won’t have cell service? Hell, do you even know whether or not you’ll have cell service? Unless he’s planning on deep sea fishing…I just take it as "leave me alone."
by Bower Power on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
If Nonis is willing to do it, then he should be the GM; something he is probably going to do once Burke’s current contract is up.
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One can only hope
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jul 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
huh?
that’s fine, but your boss never goes on vacation and has to do his job for a week or two? Mine does. And he has a heck of a lot more responsibility and a far larger salary than me.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nonis is with him. Apparently Poulin is running the store. Hope he knows how to work the cash register.
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by Biff Carrington on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs
have less than $2 mill in cap space, and they were penalized for exceeding it last year… they aren’t signing more free agents. they’re Possibly dealing Kaberle… but they have until Aug 15th for that.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
And seriously, when IS the time? In the middle of the playing season? In the weeks before the draft when he’s supposed to be lining up all these deals for after it?
There is no free agency activity that is happening in these 2 weeks that won’t be both of
a) foreseeable enough that the ground work isn’t already all in place
b) so urgent that it can’t wait for him to get back
Don’t forget, we’re stuck at home waiting to be surprised by news of trade moves… for the GM’s they are all coming miles away as the negotiations slowly unwind. If there was some breathlessly important deal on the verge of happening he would move his vacation, or make sure he was reachable for it. Blindside deals just don’t happen these days I don’t think.
they vacation together?
that’s actually hilarious.
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by pevans on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh
It’s a buddies fishing trip. I go camping with my buddies too.
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by Biff Carrington on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Buddies fishing trip? Did they invite bobby ryan? I mean, he’s nearby and they are clearly friends, burke drafted bobby ryan. Totally not tampering. just an innocent fishing trip….
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I hear they invited Jeff Finger.
(splish)
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by Down Goes Brown on Jul 20, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
“And so you say that after his canoe tipped…”
“Yes officer”
“THAT is when the meteorite landed”
“Out of the blue officer.”
“And that this meteorite just happened to consist of several small lumps of lead.”
“Yes officer”
“That just happen to look suspiciously like bullets.”
“Freak of nature, sir.”
SPLASH
Burke: So, you thought the term ‘boat anchor’ attached to your contract was figurative….
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 20, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m skeptical that a deal can’t be done while he’s away, but I have to say I would have preferred his “out of reach” vacation either come between the draft and July 1, or after Kaberle’s NTC closes. Maybe this is the ideal fishing season.
It is not unreasonable to think that now the Kovy logjam is broken, teams are potentially going to move on if a deal isn’t done soon.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
THIS
There are times when a GM taking a vacation is no big deal:
During the playoffs when you’ve been eliminated.
The end of the summer when you’ve made all the move you are going to and your roster is set for training camp.
Christmas break.
Basically at times when there is nothing for you to do.
But to publicly take vacation 3 weeks in to free agency when your roster is in disarray and you have players left to move and bring in? I just don’t get it.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Well obviously you’re an idiot everyone’s entitled to vacation.
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that’s what i’m saying
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Ummm
he might very well consider his roster set for next year.
And how the hell is the roster in “disarray”?? he has enough forwards and D and at least 4 goalies in place… how is that disarray?
You percieve there to be an issue when one does not exist. You might not LIKE the players he has in place… but they’re there.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
If he considers this roster legitimately set, with our best trade asset still in hand, we have bigger problems.
by Bower Power on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes. If the roster is set with Kaberle I’m officially depressed.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If he had gone on vacation after the season ended, he’d be excoriated for not signing college free agents and preparing for the draft.
If he had gone on vacation after the draft, he’d be excoriated for not preparing for free agency.
If he goes on vacation two weeks after free agency opens, he gets excoriated for not being available to sign a free agent (even though we just spent all spring pleading with him not to do that)
If he goes on vacation a month from now, he’d be getting excoriated for not getting ready for the upcoming season.
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by clrkaitken on Jul 20, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Counterpoint: he gets paid millions of dollars to do his job.
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counterpoint – he’s had a pretty tough year and deserves a week to chill the fuck out.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
ok, sorry. let me rephrase.
he’s had a pretty tough year and deserves a couple of weeks to chill the fuck out.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
in the corporate world you only get 3 days bereavement for a family member. obviously Burke isn’t cut out for the job.
/obvious sarcasm is obvious
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don’t think this is the right time. There are plenty of jobs that pay much less than Burke’s that wouldn’t let you take vacation during critical phases.
The California vacation is ok-ish. If Burke truly didn’t want Kovalchuk he at least is reachable and the front office is doing their thing.
This week he’s taking the front office off the grid just as a lot of teams get ready to wheel and deal with Kovalchuk off the market. Not the right time.
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any deal for kabby will be there when he gets back on monday.
he has until aug 15th to move him.
let the man have a couple summer vacations.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Alternately with Kovalchuk gone Burke could make his Kaberle deal and be completely done. He could take vacation until October 7th.
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Or August 16th! I hear the Lakes are beautiful then.
jk, I dont give a shit when Burke takes his vacation, as long as the job is done by October.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe he’s already done
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
in my wildest dreams
this actually increases Kabby’s value. Like there’s some GM goign crazier and crazier that Burke isn’t returning his phone calls.
Clearly this story ends with Brent Sutter playing “In your eyes” from a ghetto blaster outside the ACC.
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To basically sum up your argument:
He should be available 24/7 right now to sign free agents (except your opinion is that only elite scoring forwards are worth signing via UFA, and the only free agent worth signing is now off the market and it’s unclear how much interest there was on either side)
He should also be available 24/7 to trade Kaberle (except he has been fielding offers for a month now and none have met his standard)
Unless you want him to get amazingly good at Minesweeper there is no reason for him to be in his office every day unless you want him to sell Kaberle for 30 cents on the dollar or sign a few more Colby Armstrongs and Brett Lebdas
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No
Moving Kaberle was his single biggest job this summer once he decided not to pursue Kovy.
You think he needed to prepare for two weeks to decide “let’s throw crazy money at Armstrong”?
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought he was only listening to offers. That Kaberle had a certain value, and if a team wanted him, they’d have to pay it.
He’s not shopping Kaberle. He’s talked about resigning him to an extension.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m liking “Kaberle to LW” more and more every day.
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It could be either a disaster or a stroke of genius.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
five years ago
i was in favour. But not now.
Seriously though, I think Kaberle would be a poor man’s Ales Hemsky. Does that excite us?
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if he stays, i think that would be a sweet idea
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Could probably dump him on LA or Boston then.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as the puck stays out of the corner, we’re fine!
by Bower Power on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You can’t listen to offers if you’re out of cell reception.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
If they have 6 offers on the table, and he and Nonis are going out to a lake for a few days, don’t you think it’s conceivable they’re mulling over what their best offer is?
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Maybe, and maybe nothing is lost. But maybe a team moves on and an offer disappers.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
So basically you’re tearing your hair out over maybes.
Maybe we should all just chill the fuck out a little.
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THIS
this place is way too dramatic, sarcastic, and negative lately. it’s a drag.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
We’ll all be positive when this team starts winning or gives us a reason to believe it’s moving in the right direction.
This free agency period hasn’t been great and the Leafs have some big questions coming down the road.
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It may be a bit negative... but I think some people are taking it too seriously as well.
C’mon guys, there’s room for tough criticism of Burke, sarcastic comments, hilarious .gifs and unbridled optimism!
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
We’re all entitled to opinions, critical ones included.
We may all need a breather now and then but no reason to tell people to stop voicing their opinions—positive or negative—so long as they are thoughtful.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt have given a damn if he had taken his vacation next month where there nothing major going on as most teams are happily waiting for the season to begin. Do you think other GM’s are waiting around for Burke to come back so that they can discuss Kaberle who’s price is set at a premium while guys like Souray and Bieksa are available for pennies on the dollar……..
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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
let’s put it this way, I work FOR THE LEAGUE, and it’s extremely difficult to take time off during the season.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
by ohshrit on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what’s Gary doing?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
tell him i say hi!
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t even know if he’s in the office today, but if i see him i’ll give him the message.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
he’s not in the office!?!
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I mean I know we bitch about the guy, but the two times I’ve ever run into him, he’s been quite polite.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
so, he doesn’t employ a guy just to stand on his back to make him look taller?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this a conflict of interest for you at all?
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
cool.
Your colleauges rip on you for being a Leafs fan, too?
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yes.
although a shit-ton of them are islanders fans, so they’re useless.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
If you really want to piss them off, mention that Matt Duchene will be 10x the player Tavares will be. Sit back and enjoy.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jul 20, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no, I fully expect them to go batshit and yell and throw stuff, which makes it all the more entertaining.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jul 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
no, they wouldn’t believe me, they still think that DiPietro will be awesome and that the Islanders will be contenders.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
How long did it take you to stop laughing?
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jul 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT
I know an islanders fan up here in Canada and he is EXACTLY like that.
When they have a guy, he is amazing, when they get rid of a guy, he’s a bum.
you try and get into a conversation about hockey and it degenerates into him saying
“at least I remember watching my team win Cups…. Mike Bossy wharagabrell”
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 20, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were another GM I’d pull one hell of an elaborate prank on Burke by calling him and leaving this message:
Hey Brian, it’s (insert GM name here). Me and the boys have decided that Tomas Kaberle is our guy and we want him at all costs. I’m willing to you give you (insert that teams best player under 23) and next year’s 1st round pick to get him. But this deal is only on the table through Saturday as I have other offers that I need to consider. Get back to me and we’ll do this.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Or send it to him in an email as a picture that has difficulty showing up on a blackberry.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
except he wasn’t leaving for his Vacation until today… so he WAS around when Kovy was in play…. is that what you’re saying?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
This is his second vacation. He was in California last week. Even if he had cell service I’m not convinced his primary focus was free agents.
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He was in California two weeks ago, because of the draft…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I could have sworn it was because of Bobby Ryan.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
well, that too. Obviously.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he took a vacation there post draft with his family before going on the fishing trip with Nonis.
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http://www.nationalpost.com/Burke+takes+break+from+Leafs+rebuild/3261558/story.html
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The BlackBerry will be on the whole time, but Burke does not expect to receive any calls.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
living in CA, I can say with some authority that, we do have cell phone service out here.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Digital or Analog?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Twine or String?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Ouch
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Go back and re-read my comment:
Even if he had cell service
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where is he fishing – antarctica?
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by Future_considerations on Jul 20, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
so, you’re assuming that if Burke’s phone rang, he’d ignore it?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m assuming that Burke wasn’t on his phone with Kovalchuk’s agent doing his best to bring him to Toronto.
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So Nonis is incapable of holding down the fort?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Makes you wonder why he’s not in charge.
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or
if he’s being groomed by the obviously incompetent Burke, should you want him in charge…?
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because I don’t like Burke’s recent moves doesn’t mean I think he’s a bad GM overall.
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dissecting each individual move (or non-move as the case seems to be) within a vacuum paints him as such.
maybe we’re reading different comments, but the bulk of what I’m seeing doesn’t say much regarding faith in Burke’s abilities to build a team.
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d agree with that.
Everyone keeps throwing up this quote
July 1 is our draft
and disregards the fact he acquired Kris Versteeg on June 30. That needs to factor into the conversation and gets ignored.
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I know, we need a Versteeg love fest.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If he acquired Versteeg as a UFA sure.
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Wait
You only judge the guy on the basis of free agency signings? The Kaberle deal is irrelevant then… if it happens of course.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
July 1st is our draft refers to the free agency period, not a calendar day.
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the lesson?
Burke makes good trades. And RFA contracts. But generally troublesome UFA signings?
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Pretty bad when you publicly state that July 1st is your draft day no?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
but this 'draft' year sucked balls.
im glad we didnt get the patrik stefan of this ufa class, whoever it might be.
you dont want to brian campbell yourself just because he’s a ufa.. if there’s nothign worth buying than keep your money. its a lesson tons of canadians/americans havent seemed to learn…
im happy with versteeg + a decent kaberle return.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 20, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t see a fundamental difference.
He made it clear that he was in the market for a top 6 forward and he intended to find it on July 1.
He lands Versteeg on June 30. That influences his decision-making process on July 1. Maybe he doesn’t feel he needs to get too deep into a Kovalchuk bidding war, because he’s already found one top 6 forward, and he still has the Kaberle chip to play.
Resident Capologist
I really can’t get that worked up over this stuff.
This is a multu-year project of which I like the general trend.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
General trend sure, but I think the trend is slowing and we’re not out of the water.
I think the Leafs will be better this year than they were last year but that doesn’t mean it’s time to rest on our laurels and congratulate people for a job well done.
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You can do
the latter, without the former.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
No, but just like last year, there will be moves made as things progress. It might be Kaberle, it might be someone else.
I’m just waiting and seeing.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Kaberle’s NTC opening runs out in less than a month.
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Then freak out on August 14. You’re getting yourself worked up over potentially nothing.
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I’m not worked up.
I’m not sure what the Burke Defender Brigade is looking for.
Do you want us to just close the blog from March to October?
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No, I want to get back to discussions about potential moves and/or moves that have happened, not his fucking vacation plans.
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No, I want to get back to discussions about potential moves and/or moves that have happened, not his fucking vacation plans.
Is someone stopping you?
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Unfortunately, I think this UFA season was a lot like this year’s draft. A couple big fish and then a lot of things you’d probably throw back if you caught.
I see more moves coming out of the actual season than the off-season, and by trade rather than by signing. Kaberle may net something, he may not.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Unfortunately, I think this UFA season was a lot like this year’s draft. A couple big fish and then a lot of things you’d probably throw back if you caught.
I agree entirely. That’s why I wanted my GM working the phones until those big fish were gone.
With Kovalchuk off the table now I don’t really care so long as Burke moves Kaberle before 8/15
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Wasn’t this Kovalchuk to the Devils deal reported over a week ago? As in, before Burke was on vacation?
If he really wanted Kovalchuk he would’ve gone on vacation later. He didn’t, so he went now. Why is this a big deal?
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
If it was truly done last week sure but maybe it wasn’t.
Mirtle came in yesterday to say he thinks Kovalchuk would have signed the same offer NJ gave him to play in Toronto.
I wish we had Kovalchuk.
I’m unhappy that we didn’t do that.
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that's fine
I totally understand why you’re unhappy.
I think it’s totally unreasonable to think that Burke going on vacation is the reason we didn’t get him that that somehow he is not a worthy GM because he went on vacation.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
August 15th… 2 weeks from today takes us to August 3rd or so? That’s still going to leave him with 12 days to deal.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the trend too, but I think the whole rebuilding process is about to stall. All our movable assets besides Kaberle are gone. Kadri is our only elite prospect in the pipeline, and we don’t have the picks to restock the shelves.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Burke has shown an ability to sign both European and NCAA UFAs, I don’t see him stopping any time soon.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
None of those are likely to be elite players, and they aren’t cheap either.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's remember
We’ve thought for a while that we had NO assets worth much of anything. We didn’t think Blake would get anything on the open market, but he was worth Giguere.
We thought Toskala would never be moved… he was.
Mayers? Stuck with him? We got Phaneuf in that deal somehow.
Seriously… our assets aren’t as immovable as you guys fear.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Anaheim was desperate to move Giguere. They took Blake who is probably worth about $2.5M in reality for $4M and ditched Giguere’s $6M (worth about 850K to Anaheim due to Hiller) in the process. Toskala’s expiring contract got thrown on to even out the goalies.
I wouldn’t say Blake or Toskala are worth much. Giguere wasn’t worth much either.
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No but my point is
we can move assets that we don’t like the value of.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Stalberg as the lynchpin for the Versteeg trade, then.
The advantage to having 49 SPCs is that there’s gotta be SOMETHING someone wants. I hope.
by Bower Power on Jul 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really see that.
There’s one chip to play this summer in Kaberle, if it works out that way, but the season will offer opportunities as well.
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frankly
there has been huge roster turnover already, I would like to see where it gets us on the ice, preferably before we add a massive piece.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, I think i’ll be pretty disappointed if we hang on to Kaberle, and Burke can’t work out a deal for a top line forward.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
I dunno, at the draft when I was sure Kaberle was gone, I was actually really sad to think about him leaving. From a team building standpoint, he needs to go so we can get that young top 6 winger, but as far as seeing different results on the ice this year, I wouldn’t be overly upset if we still had him.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be upset, especially if he leaves after this season.
I’m not too sad about him leaving. mainly because he’s pretty much the last link to the leafs playoff teams of the early 2000’s, that I need to move on from.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Yeah that makes sense.
I’ve been reading on other SBN sites a lot and fans of other teams have a much higher opinion of him than we do around here, which has changed my mind a bit.
Of course, I do expect him to be gone. And if he isn’t then I’d probably rage about the Lebda signing like everyone else.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Believe it
Burke is going to make something happen in the next ten day’s.
Tap it in, just tap it in, give it a little tappy, tap tap taparoo
After Kaberle, the Leaf with the most experience (GP) in this uniform?
Luke Schenn.
That be some significant turnover.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Umm
Kulemin is ahead of Schenn.
Schenn 149 GP
Kulemin 151 GP
Both entirely with the Leafs.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Either way
the fact that two players with 2 years NHL experience are the longest serving Leafs after Kaberle is worrisome.
We do have other players with more NHL experience… which I think is more relevant.
Considering the ENTIRE ROSTER has been turned over (aside from Kaberle) since 3 years ago means I want them to stick with some of the guys they’ve got for a while and let it develop.
They’re a very young team. They need some time to grow. Let the coaching staff work with the kids they’ve got for a while and see where it takes them. Make changes around the trading deadline if necessary.
If they deal Kaberle, cool.
If not… that’s cool too.
I’m ok with the team as it is right now.
I’d LIKE them to trade Kaberle and get some decent return, but right now I don’t think that’s about to happen. The market is too soft on him from what I’m seeing.
If they can’t get a top 6 winger or a 1st rounder/top prospect, then I don’t want to make the deal… I think Burke feels the same way.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering the ENTIRE ROSTER has been turned over (aside from Kaberle) since 3 years ago means I want them to stick with some of the guys they’ve got for a while and let it develop.
These are my feelings as well.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s going to be fun cheering on whatshisface and that new guy
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Young teams taking time to develop and grow usually coincides with terrible performance and high draft picks.
This would be a completely palatable option if we had our first.
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Usually
Translation = in recent history.
I don’t think being crap and getting high picks is quite what Boston did… or Buffalo… or San Jose… or Detroit… or New Jersey… or Philly… etc.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
Anaheim… or Vancouver…
etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
But Buffalo held on to their picks and continuously developed good young talent.
I’m not talking about tanking outright, I’m just saying that a youth movement normally pays two dividends:
1. Your young players get experienced.
2. They either light the world on fire or get you a pretty good pick.
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This is true. He took a “beach vacay” with the family in Cali leading up to his “buddies fishing trip vacay”. No salary cap on vacays!
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by Biff Carrington on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
fishing as in fishing for that top 6 guy?
Truncated truclence
by Future_considerations on Jul 20, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
/taps nose
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk can score 50 in each of those 17 seasons for all I care. All it does for Jersey is get them to the dance every year. The real question is can Ilya dance? Historically he’s unproven in the clutch. Historically he’s not a winner. Historically he doesn’t play a team game. Presently he’s not 23. I’m glad we don’t have him. I’d happily take a small cut in a player’s point production in exchange for any of the above things. Would you rather have a Kovalchuk or a Gilmour? Now, you may cry apples and oranges. You may cry that you need both to make a delicious championship smoothie, but I’d argue that they don’t really go together anyways.
As for Svatos, he reminds me a little of Steen. All the talent in the world but some shocking dips and dives in the stats department. Players like that are kinda cancerous if you ask me. Consistency is important. I imagine it’s a lot easier to build a winning team when you know what to expect from your players on an annual basis.
I’d rather see Burke keep fishin’ (ha!) for the best Kaberle deal and sit pretty rather than make a knee-jerk, temporary solution signing. Keep in mind this team probably won’t do any real damage for another couple years at least. PATIENCE.
Now please bring on James Neal. Thanks.
You know who had crazy talent and needs a new home so’s he can show it?
Wellwood, that’s who.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
yeah, eric wellwood is a pretty good prospect
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re stealing my schtick!
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The one thing that does concern me about your schtick is the one that you will get right.
Now, you’ll be able to spin a media empire out of one lucky guess, but we’ll be stuck with the new Wellwood/Khristich megamonster.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
frankly, I’d be horrified if I got one right.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus, the GTA has such a diverse variety of all-you-can-eat buffets!
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jul 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I endorse this!
If I can't be a good example, then I will just have to serve as a horrible warning...
by CancerousRocket on Jul 20, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I positively love that Burke and Nonis are reportedly fishing up north right now. Six offers for Kaberle on the table and these guys grab their rods and take off out of town.
What this says to me is that Burke is 100% serious about keeping Kaberle. Teams that are calling Poulin have to be slightly intimidated with Burke’s nonchalant approach to these proceedings. If they weren’t already convinced that Burke is serious that only the right package will get the job done, they are now.
Can’t wait for this trade to go down. This is going to be a defining moment for the Leafs GM. Or, at least, he’ll bring home a couple of steelhead!
Two options would make me happy:
1. Kaberle gone.
2. Kaberle plays “eh that wasn’t horrible” defense and re-ups.
It’s the horrible defense that I don’t want to see back unless he really becomes a PP specialist. Ron Wilson already plays him in easy situations (based on zone start and QCOMP).
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I would love to see a split on pre/post Phaneuf for Kabby’s zone-start and QCOMP/QTEAM. It seems to me (by observation only) that he was even more sheltered after Dion was acquired.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 20, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know where we’d get that data. Let me email Gabe Desjardins.
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He said he could do it but it’ll take a few days.
So, uh, twiddle your thumbs until then.
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okay.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 20, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Satisfied
Burke has pretty much dumped all the “aging veterans” this team had when he started. And this summer there is one left Kaberle – the most usefull, on-ice aging veteran on the Leafs.
I was quite taken back and a little worried when I realized Burke wasn’t going with the long, draft-driven, re-build. More trades, more free agency, just like every Leaf GM before.
But the difference is so significant – we are actually trading away our aging veterans, and acquiring players in their 20’s.
There is still the odd odd signing like Armstrong, and Lebda – but at least our overpaid free agent veterans are under 30. This is a new feeling for me.
It’s still a good day to be a Leaf fan. The Leafs roster is still being build better than I’ve witnessed before – with or without the luxury of Kovalchuk for 17 years.
BS
Very good point. Young proven skilled players are incredibly valuable assets and the fact Burke keeps getting these types of players back in trades is nothing short of amazing.
What’s troubling is that on one hand Leaf fans seem to trust Burke and respect what he has accomplished – and yet people are freaking out because he doesn’t go out and sign Kovalchuk.
Personally I have a lot of trust and faith in Burke and his team. They know what they are doing and they have a plan. The guy hung is balls out to get Kessel. If he really wanted Kovalchuk he would have tried. He clearly doesn’t want him or most of the other UFA players out there. I’ll assume it’s for good reason.
What it comes down to for me is looking at what Burke has already done to the Leafs. Up front, he has traded away older, productive players for younger players with potential. Unfortunately, even though Kovalchuk is a rare player to hit the UFA market, he fits into the first column – older and productive. This led me to believe Burke was never interested. Should he have been? Maybe, but this is how he is building his team. I want to see what it results in before I get upset that he wasn’t interested in Kovalchuk. It could have been an incredible mistake, but I think it’s pretty easy to see that he doesn’t fit into how Burke’s been re-shaping the Leafs.
Then I think that JFJ probably would’ve out-bid Lamorello and remember I’m glad he’s no longer the GM.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
“It could have been an incredible mistake, but I think it’s pretty easy to see that he doesn’t fit into how Burke’s been re-shaping the Leafs.
Then I think that JFJ probably would’ve out-bid Lamorello and remember I’m glad he’s no longer the GM.”
agreed on both counts
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
“The guy hung is balls out to get Kessel.”
hehe
I trust Burke and his team too, I’ll give a little more time…Just not blind faith. I’d give them a satisfactory grading so far.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 20, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You know how we talk about players reaching their peak?
When Schenn’s 26 (six seasons from now) he’s going to literally smash through brick walls hitting people. Chris Pronger wasn’t very mean as a rookie.
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I am quite excited about this, he is already exceptional at using body position to squeeze faster forwards to the outside and then crushing them, I can’t wait till he figures out how to hit open ice
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
If only we had a veteran defenceman in a leadership role who excels at that sort of play…
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Sorry we said “open ice hits” not “falls down leading to a goal”.
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you forgot the “desperate stick sweep nowhere near other player who scores”
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was the Joe Thornton special?
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
the thornton is in the offensive zone after you send the other team in on a 2 on 1
the kaberle is at your own blue line
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
we should trade Kaberle to the Sharks and make them put him on the ice with Thornton.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Setaguchi!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, can you imagine being a smallish soft forward and knowing that every time you step on the ice you are going to have to worry about being ended by one of three mean and notoriously hard hitting defensemen?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
any guesses on what his playing weight will be this year? seem to recall he put on about 10 pounds between his rookie year and last. i’m hoping for that growth again. he’s still very mobile at 215
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by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s 6’2" but I don’t think we could guess without seeing him in the weight room. You’d need to know his body type.
I’ll call the Leafs so Wrap Around Curl can get a hands on idea for us all.
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at his peak, he should be a mobile 230ish, and that is scary for someone who is only 6’2, it would be like getting hit with a amtrack
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The NHL website has him at 6’2", 215. You have to figure that at only 20 he’s got more muscle to develop and probably tops out around 225 while still maintaining mobility. That’s a big boy.
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OH GOODNESS YES
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, this is why you don’t not give up Schenn for anything sort of the second coming of Gretzky.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
don’t not give up Schenn
So, we should trade him?
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Never gonna run around,
and desert you.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 20, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s from the Midwest don’t make fun of his grammar he was born that way.
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Michigan public schools!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohio actually. You guys wanna talk about corn?
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When I think corn I think Iowa.
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Actually Nebraska is the biggest corn producer. Iowa is best known for its pig farming. Ohio is big on soy, but I like corn better.
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zzzzz
whoa, sorry..
was someone talking about corn?
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Man you typoed the shit out of Ohio.
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eh, I just remember that it was close to Detroit, took the shot, nothing but metal
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow TSN is dumb. Incoming front page post.
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/excited
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
from spector
Aaron Portzline reports the Blue Jackets could be in need of two puck-moving defensemen should they walk away from Anton Stralman’s arbitration award if it’s more than they’re willing to pay. Toronto’s Tomas Kaberle and Vancouver’s Kevin Bieksa are believed available
hmmmmm
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions
Brassard!!
Seriously I don’t know why I have such a love-on for the guy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Bieksa a puck mover?
What a good theory.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
WHOA
Tomas Kaberle is believed available? Shocking news!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
more that this hints at the Straleman arbitration not going well which leaves the door open for Burke to plunder and pillage!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
RICK NASH!!1
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
atta girl
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What sort of hypocrisy is this. http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/fireice/lou_lamoriello_admits_kovalchuk_contract_shouldnt_be_part_of_nhl1/
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actually
in the Fanpost by Ubiquitous there is a link to another blog where Lamoriello makes it clear that ownership was behind the deal, not himself.
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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
3 cheers for passing the buck!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, especially since it was passed up! Shit like this normally slides downhill.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 20, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
.
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Kovalchuk contract possibly rejected by League
according to Kypreos and Rishaug on Twitter. This could get stranger…
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