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TSN's Free Agent Rankings

TSN has put up an article about the "best of the rest" ie. remaining UFAs. I really hope "TSN Staff" means this was written by interns.

Jose Theodore, G

Theodore was 30-7-7 with a 2.81 GAA last season - extraordinarily strong numbers - but the Caps seem to be going in the direction of youth.

Extraordinarily strong? Jose Theodore started 43 games and won 30 (69.8%) with a 2.81 GAA. Tied for 32nd in the league with a 2.81 GAA was Mathieu Garon who started 27 games and won 12 (44.4%). Maybe GAA isn't a great indicator of a goaltender's talent?

Theodore finished the season with a decent 0.911 SV% and might be a decent option for a reasonable price, but extraordinarily strong? Tell that to Caps fans.

Star-divide

 

Lee Stempniak, F

With 48 points last season combined between the Leafs and the Coyotes, the former Maple Leaf really excelled after leaving Toronto and heading to the desert. The 27-year-old native of West Seneca, New York set a career high with 28 goals during the 2009-10 campaign. Stempniak could be a nice piece of the puzzle for a team looking for a secondary scorer; he put up 52 points in 2006-07 with the Blues and has shown moments of brilliance in the years since. He was drafted 148th overall by St. Louis in the 2003 NHL Entry Draft.

Lee Stempniak's shooting percentage in Phoenix: 29.2%.

Lee Stempniak's career shooting percentage: 11%

Lee Stempniak's shooting percentage in the last year of his last contract (2006-2007): 16%.

Lee Stempniak has had a 28 goal year and a 27 goal year both on enormous shooting percentages both on the last year of his contract. Every other year he's averaged 9.4% shooting and 14 goals.

Alexei Ponikarovsky, F

Poni's best season came in 2008-09, when he registered 23 goals and 38 assists for Toronto. His perceived inconsistency with that team was a frustrating point for fans, who saw Ponikarovsky put up as few as 28 points (in 2003-04) or as many as 61 (in '08-'09).

Ponikarovsky's 03-04 season was his first full campaign in the NHL. He had mad spot appearances with the Leafs before that playing 41 games spread over three seasons.

Since then he's steadily improved as a player. I guess TSN thinks players whose points increase almost every year "inconsistent".

Glove tap to 1967ers for pointing out the Ponikarovsky example.

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The same TSN that has a show called “The Reporters” featuring Damien Cox and Steve Simmons of course..

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by maplestirup on Jul 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Their Ponikarovsky write-up was a bit of a hoot, as well.

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by 1967ers on Jul 20, 2010 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

His perceived inconsistency with that team was a frustrating point for fans, who saw Ponikarovsky put up as few as 28 points (in 2003-04) or as many as 61 (in ‘08-’09).

In other words, his year to year progression equals “inconsistency.”

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by 1967ers on Jul 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice.

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by Chemmy on Jul 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

His perceived inconsistency with that team was a frustrating point for fans, who saw Ponikarovsky put up as few as 28 points (in 2003-04) or as many as 61 (in ‘08-’09).

Prior to that season Poni had played 41 NHL games in three seasons. He was 23.

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by Chemmy on Jul 20, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

research is for suckers

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bah who needs it

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by maplestirup on Jul 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Understanding statistics is for even bigger suckers.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simple math is for schoolkids.

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by article1 on Jul 20, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

 Why go back to 03-04 season anyway. If gm’s thought about how good a guy’s numbers were seven years ago they should be fired.

by 6rick6 on Jul 20, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps those responsible for the article simply forgot to add the words “when compared to Vesa Toskala’s” after “extraordinarily strong numbers”

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by dbfinch on Jul 20, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Aren’t all articles written by interns? What? You expect actual reporters to do any work when they have unpaid slave labor at their disposal?

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
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by Ubiquitous on Jul 20, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought they were written by their infinite monkeys desk.

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by article1 on Jul 20, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Monkey INTERNS. Otherwise you’d have to feed them.

On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!

by Ubiquitous on Jul 20, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way monkey interns would write this. Those bastards are strong on research.

Jose Theodore strong.

by not norm ullman on Jul 20, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Explanation

Burke took the TSN regular staff fishing?

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 20, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

this article is further proof as to why blogs are far better for analysis than the MSM

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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s also pretty good proof that Brian Burke should spend the rest of the summer on vacation once Kaberle is traded.

Sutton? Stempniak? Theodore? Those are the best? Gross.

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by Chemmy on Jul 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, the MSM made you guys.

You’re like Batman.

Or something.

by Nirbo on Jul 21, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only Theo’s winning% is extraordinarily strong. I think the last starter to get that high was Osgood in the 90s. And maybe TSN is sick and tired of seeing Toronto ice Toskala and Edmonton Khabibulin and is trying to sell them Theodore.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry, we already have an over priced aging starter

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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least ours was good to begin with.

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by article1 on Jul 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yah, I think his winning % has a bit more to do with the team in front of him.

Detroit in the 90’s was, if I remember correctly, a pretty good team…..

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 20, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sign Lee Stempniak to a one-year contract and see how he does.

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
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by Leafer87 on Jul 20, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

not sure if serious……

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

not serious, but it would be an interesting science experiment

What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation

by Leafer87 on Jul 20, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a great idea for literally any team in the league except the Leafs.

We know he sucks here.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was pretty good on the Leafs this year. He was on pace for a 20G, 25A season and was more than competent in his own end. He was 2nd on the team in SHTOI behind only Wallin during his time in Toronto.

He gets a bum rap because due to a lack of talent he was playing on the 2nd line, when he should have been on the 3rd. I honestly think he would have been a better free agency signing than Colby Armstrong; he’s also younger by a few months.

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by SkinnyFish on Jul 20, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Armstrong could go either way. If he puts up numbers like last season he’s a complete disaster and is going to get the shit booed out of him.

If Armstrong is an annoying player and chips in 15 goals and 25 assists I might rather have him than Stempniak.

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by Chemmy on Jul 20, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are a bunch of Leafs players that I’m really on the fence about, they sort of sit into that “let’s wait and see” category.

Armstrong
Caputi
Komi
Mueller (hopefully Marlies)
Hanson

The rest I have unreal expectations for.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Armstrong and Komi fall into a different category than the other 3. They are 2 UFA signings who have to live up to their contracts, while the other 3 are prospects with 64 games played between them.

A lot of us have judged Caputi and Hanson way to soon IMHO

by BCapp on Jul 20, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You keep mentioning Caputi

and now you’re adding in Hanson…

Where is this rush to judgement you’re tossing around? Nobody is saying they’re horrible… we just don’t expect them to light the world afire with their scoring prowess next season.

If either one of them gets 15 goals I’m happy… if they both do I’m ecstatic. Do I expect either of them to? Not really.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll categorize

However I wanna do!

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

 i just hope Armstrong doesnt turn into the forward version of Exelby. Remember how hyped we all were for huge open ice hits. instead we got nothing.

by 6rick6 on Jul 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing

Armstrong to Exelby is absurd.

Armstrong has actually put up some decent numbers before and has more to his game than the head hunting hits you see on the highlight reels.

Exelby on the other hand does not.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, Armstrong is much bigger than Exelby so that alone will add TRUCULENCE!!1

by unavoidable on Jul 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Army’s a guy the players like in the locker room (judging from what I’ve seen in Pittsburgh).

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by Leafer87 on Jul 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

 I meant as far as what he’s expected to do for us. We all thought we were getting a certain player from Atlanta that year and all we got wee the bad parts of the player.

by 6rick6 on Jul 20, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I'm pretty sure

most of us knew Exelby sucked… but he liked to make open ice hits.

That’s pretty much exactly what we got.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

 We didn’t even get that from him.

by 6rick6 on Jul 20, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

if Armstrong gets close to 50 points, he is worth his 3mil

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 20, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stajan never hit more than 16 goals and he’s worth he makes $3.5 million.

Armstrong apparently plays well in his own zone, though he wasn’t depended to do so last season by the numbers.

It does go to show that I’d be unambiguously happy to have him for $2-2.5. $3 is a bit much.

by Nirbo on Jul 21, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

 The only thing extraordinarily strong about Theodore in the last few years was the medication he needed after banging Paris Hilton.

by 6rick6 on Jul 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Really? Really?

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe he doesn’t know why Theo won the Masterton this year…

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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let’s hope that’s the case, what is it with these terrible terrible comments lately? I mean I know we all make bad/inappropriate comments from time to time but they are more in the heat of the moment types of things.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 20, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is when you’re new to the site and read previous threads, you don’t realize they were in the heat of the moment. It’s why I try to (but am not always successful) avoid knee-jerk reaction comments.

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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought it was because school was out for the summer…

I have nothing interesting to say.

by blurr1974 on Jul 20, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other weird thing about the "strong numbers" line

when mentioning his GAA is that Turco is right below him with a stronger 2.72 GAA, and his SV% was a superior .913… but somehow he’s inferior to Theodore?

His record was the Dallas Stars record with him in net, and Theodores was the Capitals record with him in net. They didn’t win the damn games on their own.

Put Turco in net for the Caps and see how many wins he racks up… I wonder how “extraordinarily strong” HIS numbers would be then.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

 Yeah I know he had a personal tragedy over the last few years, but this is a jab at his hockey skill and taste in skanks at shitty candian music channel award ceremonies. It is in no way meant to make fun of what happened to him and his family. So fuck off lol.

by 6rick6 on Jul 20, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, no.

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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the hell is going on today?

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 20, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it seems to be a recent problem

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by Fergus30 on Jul 20, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some jokes are okay, but that came across in the same vein as joking about 9/11 like Dwayne Wade did. Not cool yo.

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by red army line on Jul 20, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

/sigh

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not cool brah

Joe Finley to the Russians: "Como estas?"

by Steck It Out on Jul 20, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."

by Fergus30 on Jul 20, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy posts a .911 SVP in the same year as his child dies. If I had a kid die, it’d be a miracle if I put up a .02. You’re not allowed to jab at his hockey skill either.

by Bower Power on Jul 20, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another mistake!

They said that Afinogenov:
“The Russian forward had 24 goals and 37 assists for the Thrashers last season, equalling his career-high in points (61, a mark which he had previously set during the 2006-07 campaign).”

He had 73 in ‘05/’06. (06/07 was his highest point per game though)

by BCapp on Jul 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m still holding out that Burke signs Asham. Yes, I know we signed Armstrong but if Asham still isn’t signed now hopefully he drops his price and we can add him to a nasty ass 3rd line!

This is of course assuming that Kaberle is exchanged for a top 6 forward which we need more than a hard hat player at this point.

by The Muppet on Jul 20, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

im still waiting for Hanson to be signed

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe he hasn’t accepted the godamn Q/O.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll rec that.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 20, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m actually a little surprised we QO’d him given the hardball line played successfully with Socks. Hanson’s only a year younger and Mitchell has two years superior to anything Hanson has done.

I can’t see Hanson doing better than his QO on the open market.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the reason we didn't q/o Mitchell was because Mitchell was arbitration eligible.

Hanson is not. He can either accept whatever the Leafs offer, or not play.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hanson HASN'T GOT

any opportunity to hit the open market.

He doesn’t have arbitration rights, and he doesn’t have another place to play. If he doesn’t sign he’s a hold out plain and simple, and what has he done in the NHL to warrant an increase in his salary beyond the QO?

He can negotiate for term if he wants, but I doubt the Leafs will give him much beyond 2 or 3 years at this stage.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can negotiate for term if he wants, but I doubt the Leafs will give him much beyond 2 or 3 years at this stage.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking… he probably wants 2-3 years, possibly at a slightly lower cap hit than his Q/O, rather than take a 1-year Q/O for 950k or whatever it would be and risk a bad season.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that’s a good guess re. term being the issue. Hanson can’t hope for more than his QO on a one year deal.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we didn’t QO him he’d have been UFA though, right? Just like JFM, regardless of arbitration eligibility, right?

My point is why not take the same line with Hanson who has less leverage than Mitchell.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

because the 5% raise is reasonable for Hanson to sign, whereas Mitchell never would have signed for just the 5% raise and could’ve opted for arbitration where people seemed to think he could get $1 million plus.
Not qualifying him was almost a courtesy so that he could see if he was really worth that $1 million on the open market.

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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I don't get is

if we let Mitchell go UFA, why did he then sign for only $750,000 on a one year deal? That part made no sense to me.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's still an RFA

after the contract… I don’t get what the value is to him… how does he come out ahead?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not quite sure of that, TBH.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leafs argued that he could have made $1M+ if he went to Arb.

Maybe he either did Leafs a solid… or he realized he wasn’t going to get signed by any other team, especially for 750k.

I mean there are plenty of better players available out there who may not get jobs due to running out of roster spots.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose the last point

is valid. He at least has a seat in the musical chairs game…. I just don’t get the 1 year contract thing. I’d at least hope to make it to my UFA year if I was him on that deal.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it’s not as bad as the goaltending situation, but even Dan Ellis saw that if he didn’t grab a roster spot for less than $2M he wasn’t getting a starting (maybe?) job at all.

Maybe some forwards should start thinking the same (except the ones who want to be banished to russia)

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is I think we could have got Hanson for less than his QO.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 20, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

we still can...

it just protects us if another team offers him a contract that he signs.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if he isn't happy

with how negotiations are going, he can take the QO at any point in the process.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

there is a deadline for accepting, and it runs out in a few days.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

what happens then?

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by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has to negotiate a new offer from the Leafs.

The q/o is exactly that…. an offer with an expiration date. If he wants a different offer, he has to negotiate it.

Lots of RFAs on other teams are running out of time to accept their Q/Os too.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing that means they're going to be stuck.

The Leafs have probably offered him something longer term at a lower dollar number… and he probably has a choice… term + less money or QO for 1 year.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ruh roh

apparently the initial deadline has already come and gone (July 15th). But… maybe the deadline was either pushed back or they are negotiating now.

EXPIRATION: A qualifying offer automatically expires on July 15 at 2 p.m. However, with written notice to the Central Registry and the NHL Players’ Association, the deadline for acceptance of the qualifying offer can be extended to a fixed date.

Link here.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok then

well I guess he’s stuck with whatever he can get out of the Leafs… and the whole Q/O thing just means if anyone else signs him we get compensation otherwise.

The thing is… the compensation for a low level contract like his is virtually nil.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leafs seem to be quite good at cap-managing their RFAs so far… I’m going to have to trust them on this one.

UFAs…. not so much.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he gets between

$660K and $1 mill we get a 3rd rounder.

between $1 and $2 mill we get a 2nd rounder.

Would another team sacrifice a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him? I probably would think about it if I needed fringe players (i.e. Chicago).

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

a 3rd rounder for Hanson? Totally A-OK with that.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

nil assets or not, I can’t see Hanson being significant enough to another team to offersheet him

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely not.

No one is offer sheeting him. Why the hell wouldn’t we just match anyway, unless the amount was rediculous (which there is no way in hell it would be)

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

for $850 K you get a guy that you know can play in the NHL adequately for like 10 minutes a night, who has some upside and size, and in exchange for a 3rd round pick? That’s not ridiculous.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other side is

if we’re just going to match whatever’s offered… why haven’t we signed him already?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd guess because

Leafs don’t believe anyone is going to offer sheet him.

They’re waiting until his “demands” (laugh) lower, and we can get a 2 year or 3 year deal out of him around 750k.

At least that’s how i’m speculating it.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

FINAL SPECULATION

Hanson (or Hanson’s agent) could realize that based on his play and similar players now on the roster, as well as his waiver-exempt status, that he could be a player in between the Marlies and Leafs next year.

Let’s say for example, would he rather take a 1-year, $1M 2-way deal where he makes $100k in the Marlies and $1M on the Leafs

Or

Signs a 2-year, 750k contract that is 1-way (makes the 750k regardless of Marlies or Leafs)

Hmm!!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

for $850k, I would think Leafs would match, unless they really wanted him gone.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again

it’s just a matter of space and projected outlook.

If we had a 3rd round pick we might not care so much.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's another

McKegger!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hanson made $875K last year, I’d be very surprised if he signed an offer sheet for less than that.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some might say that 875k was overpayment because he was a UFA college signing… maybe Leafs & Co are saying he better shape up or be shipped out!

OR HIS RIGHTS ARE BEING USED IN A TRADE FOR BOBBY RYAN! I KNEW IT!

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the date

the Q/O’s expire?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he went to UFA?

I’m not sure… I think another team would have grabbed him. He was a sought after UFA (ok, not nearly as much as Bozak or Gus) with only half a year NHL experience… I think a team would have taken a flyer on him for sure, promised him more playing time.

Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.

by nhlcheapshot on Jul 20, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

because he might walk to play somewhere else where he has more opportunity. Plus we may like his upside more, and the arbitration rights thing means he has ZERO leverage.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 20, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds like the writing of Mike Brophy, although we all know Brophy is over at Sportsnet crushing beer cans on his head with Kypreos.

by Jo4nny on Jul 20, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

i just wrote a quick article about this tsn piece

they screwed up afinogenov’s career-high, stating it was 61, when it’s actually 73. What is the writing world coming to?

by Rafal Ladysz on Jul 20, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

"TSN Staff"

= LOLZ

Please don't act like this comment is important

by Archimedies on Jul 20, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously...

TSN is a television station. They don’t have a staff of renowned writers working on their web desk. Making an educated guess, I’d say it’s a bunch of guys who mainly just copy CP stories into the main page. The fact that they let them write articles like this is a joke. If you’re going to post a story that’s so full of opinion, you should at least let the author attach his or her name to the content. Ridiculous.

Please don't act like this comment is important

by Archimedies on Jul 20, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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