So who saw that coming?
by SkinnyFish on Jul 21, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintFor those of you who weren't around last night and are just starting to hear the news now, the NHL has rejected Ilya Kovlachuk's preposterous 17 year, $102M contract. They did so while citing that it was an attempt to circumvent the salary cap by adding on cheap years to the end of the contract while both the Devil's and Kovalchuk knew he would not be playing. You might remember that this was the same argument detractors of the Marian Hossa contract used last summer. However, Sabres blogger (though he posts here more) Ubiquitous took at a look at the numbers and found that 24 players have played in the NHL at age 42; while only 8 (4 goalies) have played at age 44. Still a bit of a stretch for Hossa, but a HUGE stretch for Kovalchuk.
You've got to think that Lou Lamoriello's own comments may have been the tipping point in the NHL's decision:
...there is nothing that we have done wrong. This is within the rules. This is in the CBA. There are precedents that have been set. But I would agree we shouldn’t have these. But I’m also saying that because it’s legal and this is something that ownership felt comfortable doing for the right reasons...
If that isn't a self admission of guilt, then I don't know what is. I'm now a little glad that Brian Burke didn't sign Kovalchuk to an equivalent deal. Seeing as how we're the Leafs and all, instead of merely rejecting the contract we'd probably be docked a few draft picks and fined an ass ton of money.
Aside from the obvious hilarity of the contract's rejection; there was also the hilarity brought about by NHLer and Twitter user Paul Bissonnette. In a tweet that has since be deleted he said of the contract's rejection:
@PaulBizNasty kovalchuck’s gana have to give lap dances for 20 years instead of getting them now that he got rejected. sory communist. back to the soviet.
Funny? Yeah. Racist? No. Mean spirited and a bit of being a dick? Yeah.
Last night could end up being a night of two firsts. The first contract rejection under the new CBA, and the first case of the NHL disciplining a player for comments made via Twitter. Seriously, I can easily see Bissonnette getting fined over this. Expect to hear more on this in the coming days. What do you think about all this?
Links after the jump.
Where will the dominoes fall for the Leafs?
With Gagne, and maybe Kovalchuk, gone; who's left on the table?
MLHS had early rumors about the NHL's dislike of the Kovalchuk contract
And a pretty good explanation of the confusing 100% and 50% contract rules.
The NHL's list of unbreakable records
Ain't nobody going to best Orr's +/-.
The Leafs are headed to London
Ontario for their 2010 Rookie camp.
LeafsHQ wants everybody to just relax
Fuck it! Let's burn this motherfucker to the ground!
Frozen Leafs with their update on all things Kaberle
Some possible trading partners are mentioned; nothing new.
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I'm pretty sure I said yesterday
that it was quite possible they’d reject it for circumventing the Cap. The drop off is too much, and the term way too long.
If that isn’t a self admission of guilt, then I don’t know what is. I’m now a little glad that Brian Burke didn’t sign Kovalchuk to an equivalent deal. Seeing as how we’re the Leafs and all, instead of merely rejecting the contract we’d probably be docked a few draft picks and fined an ass ton of money.
Bad thing is, they can’t just reject it. The minimum fine to the club for circumvention is $1 million, and it goes against the Devils cap hit this upcoming season. They can also lose draft picks. This is going to be interesting.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Lovely……..I want to see how the Devils fight to say they weren’t trying to circumvent the cap when Bettman puts down the Lou quotes of such contracts being kept out of the league.
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They could have been more discrete about it, you know, make it look slightly greyer, as long as there is the shadow of a doubt the NHL wouldn’t have done anything but putting 93% of the salary of a 17 year contract in the first 10 years makes a mockery of the term “front-loading”.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jul 21, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
i’m sure Kovulchuk said i want to keep as much money as possible hence every year post-retirement is league min……….would he be willing to accept a contract that takes money from the front and puts it at the tail where he won’t get it………ands secondly, restructuring the contract is kinda like admitting guilt……if Kovulchuk doesn’t want to leave money on the table, then the Devils likely have to cut the last few years but that brings the cap up. With the possible cap penalties for screwing around, they’re in trouble.
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As far as I know
NHL Contracts are guaranteed, even if a player retires. I could be wrong, but I think he keeps getting paid even if he retires. The only advantage of retirement is the salary no longer counts against the cap.
The issue with front loading is, money is always worth more now than it is later, mainly as a result of inflation. NOW, should the value of money start to deflate, then money would be worth more later, not right now… of course that’s a financial issue for another discussion.
Either way, Kovy wants his money earlier so he can invest it and get even richer. I don’t blame him, it’s purely logical from a financial standpoint. The problem is, nobody is going to pay him that much money and take a $8 mill+ cap hit for him long term. He could probably get that kind of money on a short term deal, but I doubt he wants to sign a short term deal.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I would hazard to guess that “investing it” is pretty far down the list of things he’ll be doing with his $100 million dollars.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He'll be "investing it" at the VIP room's private stage...
… His “investment advisor” is named Cinnamon. She’s spicy.
by BleedBlue42 on Jul 21, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
oooh, they’re guaranteed…….then adding 0.5 mil to each of the back end should get it done and reduce the deal by 2 years…..cap hti will go up but he bar has been set with the other deals that the NHL has already approved…..44 is a stretch but 42 has laready been approved
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I'm 95% positive
that they do not continue getting paid if they retire. (Unless they are bought out of course)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course
this rarely happens, as most contracts are 1-2 years tops when a player is approaching retirement years, and the player just plays them out.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Can someone check this out?
Its been really bothering me. It completely changes this whole discussion one way or the other.
I don’t see anything in the CBA directly on point but the SPC requires the player to provide services. If they aren’t providing services, they presumably don’t get paid.
Steve, are you aware of something to the contrary on point?
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
This is the part I find confusing
Section 11.9 (b) General – Nothing in this agreement shall require or permit any Club to pay or be obligated to pay any Player (not including retired Players) other than the terms of an approved SPC.
To me that implies something with respect to the payment of the retired players… which implies that they are paid.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw that too, but I don’t think you can read it that way.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i think this reads more like:
As a player i can’t demand a ferrari every year for my birthday or a cartier tank watch every full moon.
and a team cant give a player a $5m condo ‘just because’ the guy took a cheaper contract.
however, if the player is retired, his status is no loger that of an active player, so while he might still be in the system as a player (i.e. still has years on his retired contract), you can give him all kinds of perks/freebies because he no longer is a part of the cap structure.
so rutherford & the canes can bathe brind’amour in diamond champagne if they want, and it wont affect their cap.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 21, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as they don’t make arrangements ahead of time for it, to circumvent the cap.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The confusion probably comes with 35+ contracts counting against the cap even if the player retires.
Retiring is basically refusing to show up and you don’t get paid for that.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess "in theory"
If a player didn’t want to play but wanted to still get paid, he could continue showing up every night as a healthy scratch. But that’s clearly rediculous, would take up a roster spot and the team would just say “cmon buddy, just retire already”
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not up to the player to be a scratch or not.
There are plenty of ways to pay retired players.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Those violate the CBA
you can’t have a prearranged position waiting for a player upon retirement so he can recieve compensation.
That’s one of the specifically listed Circumventions of the CBA.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
"cmon buddy, just retire already"
This is cap circumvention.
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So then logically you can’t pay a player the remaining term of his contract after they’ve retired, because that would also be cap circumvention
Resident Capologist
I think my rediculously facetious scenario
is outrageous enough that any further analysis will likely be “silly” (I believe that’s the technical term)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
No
you can’t pre-arrange retirement… if the retirement decision is made AFTER the signing of the SPC, then it’s not a circumvention.
If you acknowledge during negotiations that you plan on retiring at a certain date, then you’re negotiating in bad faith… aka circumventing the cap.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that was the hidden clause in invisible ink on Kovy’s contract for 2020.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not going to do any research but they don’t get paid post retirement and I’d be shocked to learn otherwise.
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The CBA actually gives the Commissioner loads of leeway on this stuff. Note the “any or all” language:
26.13c the Commissioner may impose any or all of the following penalties and/or remedies set forth below:
Under item VI, the Commissioner has the option of simply voiding the contract:
(vi) Void any SPC, or any extension of an SPC, between any Player and any Club when both the Player or Player Actor and the Club or Club Actor are found to have committed such a violation with respect to such SPC or extension;
I could be missing something, as the CBA is a terribly written document, but I don’t see any language about mandatory penalties.
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I think the only thing mandatory is that IF there’s a fine, the minimum is $1MM.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s how I read it too (but unfortunately my LLB stands for Likes Leafs Best).
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CBA is a terribly written document
Yes, yes it is.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Quisp at Jewels from the Crown
Has a couple of good posts on the procedure/penalties that could happen now.
http://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2010/7/20/1579746/something-really-bad-nobody-is
And the ones above it
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Yeah, the Devils face a loss of cap space and draft picks.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d go so far as to say Quisp called this. Guy has been all over every facet of the Kovalchuk situation this summer.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
The funny thing is
this opens the door back up to him going to LA… I wonder how Quisp would feel about that.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm more interested
in seeing if the LA 15-year, $80M deal had a similar structure and if the NHL would have also burned them for it.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem here is the NHL hasn’t filed circumvention charges. They just rejected the contract.
That subtlety means a lot.
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Likely means there will be no circumvention charges, since every contract has to be approved by the NHL anyway. This one just wasn’t approved.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s my thought. As much as I’d like to pour a glass of Courvoisier and laugh on into the night about New Jersey effectively paying $9M a season for Kovalchuk it’s not going to happen.
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Wait, how do you reject a contract because it circumvents the cap without filing circumvention charges?
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Maybe I’m wrong but I doubt the NHL is going to throw those enormous circumvention penalties at Lou Lamoriello.
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Lou’s already distanced himself from this thing, putting it on his owners.
Lou’s also like a hundred years old.
If this thing goes to shit, Lou will probably just walk away before the owners fire him out of spite
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Works for me, I fucking hate Lou Lamoriello because he’s a smug piece of shit.
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Buuuuut remember that Bettman and Lamoriello are close and Lou’s going to have solid support from a lot of the league (likely including Brian Burke, they both went to Providence College).
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Nepotism FTW!1
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Nepotism can apply to friends as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Lou knew this deal was toast—they were warned Monday—which is why he distanced himself and threw ownership under the bus.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
per Wikipedia, he’s a minority owner of the Yankees.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I doubt you have a problem with winning the Lamoriello trophy though.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
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They could just throw the minimum $1M penalty at him…I know it’s still a lot (cap hit as well), but it’s not enormous
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I would extremely surprised by this.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
That they throw only the minimum or that they throw anything?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Anything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
If they charge them with cap circumvention they pretty much have to slap them with something.
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Why? No circumvention was committed because the contract was never paid. It was a preemptive strike.
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That’s along the lines of what I’m thinking.
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So you have to get paid to be charged with cap circumvention? That doesn’t make sense. I don’t know the finer points of the CBA, but wouldn’t just the signing of a contract that circumvents the cap be grounds for a charge of cap circumvention?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
See below
Not putting it out of the realm of possibility
just sayin, I would be surprised.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Bettman will have a lot of explaining to do if his circumvention finding is upheld and there is no penalty.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Not putting it out of the realm of possibility
just sayin, I would be surprised.
I was even surprised this contract was rejected though, so maybe I just get surprised too easily.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
This………thats like getting caught stealing but not getting charged!
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Which happens a lot actually.
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Depends
if you have a get out of jail free card (i.e. $100)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure. If you’re a teenager caught shoplifting for the first time and you’re white you’re probably getting a stern talking to.
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We’re going to have you bring back what you stole to the store, and have you apologize to the owner. Then your parents are going to get called and come pick you up.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Or like
getting sent to the drunk tank on your 20th birthday.
Good ol’ “boys being boys” treatment.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Now that, is the voice of an experienced juvenile delinquent.
by not norm ullman on Jul 21, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
“Thats why we stopped carrying batteries.”
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 21, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You sure Chemmy?
It would seem they’ve rejected it under 11.6(a)(i)© because it results in a circumvention. Can’t see how else they’d reject it.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
TWSS.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions
sory communist. no soup for yu
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 21, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions
O GLORIOUS DAY!
Some other GM sent those same numbers to bettman! the world is saved!
Kovalchuk fan hostage crisis: Round 2.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I’m going to pretend it was Brian Burke because it seems more likely than Darcy.
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Glen Sather.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s actually likely. He was (Apparently) a huge defender of the cap.
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He probably threatened to file unless Lou made some ridiculous trade (as Sather does) and Lou said “go right ahead”
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Sather is just seeking clarity from the league before he offers Maxim Afinogenov a 37 year deal.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 21, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he’s not.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I would be fine with this.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 21, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm starting to
come to grips with it as a truly possible situation now.
Before the offseason, I would have put the chances at 95% trade him, 4% extend him, 1% he walks as a UFA.
Now I’m thinking it’s closer to 40% trade, 40% extend, 20% he walks UFA.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk issue will somehow drag out to August 16th, Kaberle’s trade window will be closed.
by ShahofToronto on Jul 21, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Good
He also had a NMC/NTC for the length of the contract – don’t want anything to do with that as a Leaf fan. If we can begrudge Sundin for not waiving his NTC, we’d hang Kovy at some point.
BS
Actually
There was 1-year window to trade him in 2017 haha.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Lou:
I’ve made a huge mistake.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Time to break out the “Forget-Me-Nows”
by WendelMadeMe on Jul 21, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No shit?
Talk about window of opportunity
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
moot point
He would have been a guy with more than a decade on his contract to come. And if he needs to be moved, it’s because its not working.
That is 100% an untradeable contract, NTC or not.
If we can’t trade Jeff Finger to anyone at 3.5M for 2 more years, i don’t see how you can trade a guy making twice than for the next 16.
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Superstars with horrible contracts are easier to trade than bottom pairing defensemen on bad contracts. Think Yashin, even Gomez.
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Behindthenet’s take: http://sbnation.com/e/1343777
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I love this picture
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Kab rumours
Id take Simmonds and …. or Clowe and…. not just either straight up.. i think beauchmin would be more equal to those two straight up
Jembries
You should take either straight up, because we would not get anything else coming back.
Let’s not kid ourselves here.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, I would love those trades.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Old Howard Berger is pretty optimistic once again… Arg, Hockey buzz and Berger…
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Howard-Berger/Kaberle-Saga-No-Mystery-At-All/3/29425
What?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
KILL IT WITH FIRE
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't link to Hockeybuzz here!
If you’re going to link to a Berger article, take it from the am590 or am640 website (i forget which one he works for)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Or better yet, don’t link to Berger. You’re helping him get hits and stay employed.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, basically none of us think Berger has anything worth while to say so we avoid linking to him.
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I have to say though, keeping Kaberle and getting nothing in return scares me a bit. Kadri has the potential and Kessel is something special but there is not much there and I’m not sure how you get it if there isn’t some magic pulled of here. Setoguchi or Simmonds would both work for me. Who knows though…
No way we pull Simmonds for Kaberle.
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Yea, not happening.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Seto for Kaberle is enough of a dream already.
plus, LA has a love-on for Simmonds.
Clowe for Kaberle is literally the only “within reasonable” deal I’ve seen lately.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Clowe would be a wonderful return.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, he seems a little old. Wouldn’t sneeze at 57 points but wonder if he could keep it up in Toronto.
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He’s a LW he’d get plenty of ice time. A bit old, but seem like a late bloomer, or maybe he qualcomp numbers are redic I’ve not looked into it too deep.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked the idea of Roy is some one’s post in the FTB, but I don’t think Buffalo would trade him for Kaberle at all.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I would vomit all over myself if we traded for Derek Roy.
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Go on….
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean the 90 point Derek Roy who makes 4.5 million? We may not always like Derek Roy, but he’s very underpaid and the closest thing we have to a top center.
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Sorry but
Roy has never put up more than 81 points in the NHL.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Fandom inflates statistics, and apparently his salary, as he doesn’t make 4.5 million until next year.
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You mean like future Rocket Richard and Calder winner Nazem Kadri?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly like that. Clearly Tyler Ennis is winning the Calder next year. :P
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They’re handing out two Calder awards next year?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
It will be a tie for the first time ever.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Sorry, I think Ubiquitous means Tyler Ennis is going to win the Calder Cup in the AHL next year.
Kadri wins Calder trophy, duh.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
And they wonder how i end up posting more here than DBTB. That won’t change till the regular season, though.
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Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Not really a surprise
I check in over there every once and a while… that place is dead in the offseason.
I guess Darcy doesn’t give Sabres fans much to go on in the summer though. Not exactly a offseason roster mover and shaker.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I counter your vomit
with a 70+ avg point seasons over the last 4 years, and $4M cap hit.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I counter your counter with a few obvious points:
1. I don’t like Derek Roy and if we subscribe to the idea that there are “Burke” players a 5’9" pillow soft diving team champion is most certainly not one of them.
2. I don’t like Derek Roy.
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I'll accept your #2.
As it’s the same reason I would hate to see a lot of other talented players on the Leafs. (I hated the idea of Zherdev).
He does put up points though.
Whatever, it’s not happening anyway.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatever, it’s not happening anyway.
For sure.
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While I’m not high on Roy, speaking from a strictly strategical stance; wouldn’t we want our forwards to play against Kaberle 6 times a year? Miller would get shelled with Kabby on the ice.
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I only mention it as many have noted that we might be able to get a better return for Kabby in Buffalo since he would probably extend there (wouldn’t have to move his family from Toronto).
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why I filed it under realistic.
It’s sort of a “plays Burke style, could put up similar point totals, SJ could stand to part with him” sort of deal
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he meant relative to the “ideal” age he would like the return to be.
Again, if you would be disappointed with Clowe as a return, set your face to stun once Kabby is dealt.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
The odds of any team trading a 32 year old defenseman for a “breakout” 23 year old one is so slim its mind-blowing.
If it hadn’t been Kadri, I really wish Burke would have done the Kaberle + 1st trade right now…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I would rather have Clowe than Simmonds or Setoguchi. Clowe is a complete player who can play 2nd line or 1st line complimentary to scorers, plays either wing, kills penalties, hits, fights, goes right to the front of the net and has really stepped it up in playoffs. Setoguchi has had one really good year and another not bad but has played with Thornton and/or Marleau and/or Pavelski for most of that. Great shot and good speed alright, but may be the latest Cheechoo, and he is almost a replica of what we have in Kessel … RW with the sniper’s shot but don’t really expect to see him in the corners or in front of the net. Simmonds is good and plays bigger than he is but really only has one good season behind him so far. Clowe fits more of what the team needs on top six, especially size and LW.
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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 21, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
via @JeffMarek: A very nice “Thank You” letter from Bob Probert’s wife, Dani in today’s Windsor Star. http://tinyurl.com/27fmawq
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So…uh….anyone wanna join the conspiracy theory club with me? Bettman and Lou colluded to have the Kovalchuk contract rejected. Lou was obviously against signing him but was vetoed by ownership.
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That’s not the craziest thing I’ve ever heard.
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I don’t find that unreasonable at all. in fact, I’d go so far as to say it was fairly likely.
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Pretty sure Devils ownership would strongly consider shooting themselves if Lou Lamoriello recommended it.
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Well
Let’s head to the twitters and 4chan to spread that rumor then.
by twoeightnine on Jul 21, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Listening to the fan590 this morning? They were peddling that one.
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Was wondering if this was mentioned
The Torontoist is having a “name a condo” contest sort of like the park one, and Garry Valk Plaza seems to be in the finalists. Not quite sure who started it, but on Twitter, it looks like a Habs fan was exposing more.
Torontoist hates freedom. They will never let a Leaf name win a vote no matter what the ballot says!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we might need to impose a Torontoist ban around here a la Hockeybuzz for their shameful part in the Wendel Park debacle.
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Quite frankly, I think that would kind of be hilarious.
The thought of Leaf fans sseing this building, and going “Valk? Really?” is kind of awesome.
However if this goes through, and we don’t get a Danny Markov Square in the near future I’m going to be furious
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by WendelMadeMe on Jul 21, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
here’s the rationale:
The hardest working winger in Maple Leafs history, immortalized. Who deserves a tower named after him more than Valk, he of the 1999 playoff goal against the Pittsburgh Penguins? Distinguished years of service with the Ducks, Canucks, Penguins, Hawks…and your Toronto Maple Leafs. #10, as it was meant to be worn. Honour this former Leafs great by giving him his own tower. If he doesn’t deserve it, who does? Support Valk the way he supported you, and make this his legacy. Garry Valk: he’d vote for you (probably). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVXwt__OZk
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Originally M00t or whatever that 4Chan creator guy’s name is was the for forerunner and then they disqualified that entry from the contest.
"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."
He’s a jerkoff too. The 4chan forums are literally a creepy anime disguised child pornography trading ring.
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No, but I bet that it made them all look like assholes.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, especially now that it’s being covered by major news services. I think she’s under police protection now for a Youtube video that she made.
That’s a good summary of 4chan.
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Yes and no. She managed to piss “the internet people” off by directly challenging them (“suck my non existent d—-”, among others), which is just 50 different flavors of stupid. Comments on YouTube got nasty, which she responded to with a video of her BAWLING and her father in the background. Her father made the situation worse by threatening to report everyone to the “cyber police” and the FBI. It’s not all on 4chan or other e-thugs; no one is innocent in this story.
Gawker did a good write up on it here.
by Bower Power on Jul 21, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
So she’s an eleven year old with a big mouth who is now under police protection for credible death threats.
Seems like a slight overreaction on one party’s side here…
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Oh totally. I don’t need/want to justify e-thugging at all. But just watch the first video posted there (with the father ranting) in its entirety, and you can’t help but think “Oh god, this was bound to piss off the internets.”
by Bower Power on Jul 21, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
At this point it doesn’t even seem like it’s directly at the girl, but more at the parents for creating the mess. Find the interview with her mother who said that she never watched the videos. The kid has put A LOT worse stuff than just swearing.
I’m all about hilarious internet gang ups but pick a worthy target. An 11 year old girl is not a worthy target for death threats from thousands of people.
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When the average age of those thousands of people is 13, an 11 year old as their target isn’t that shocking
Damn kids!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah well, it’s Camp Chan going on right now because of the summer, which means that you are going to see thousands of script kiddies getting up to go good and starting vendettas on the interwebs for no good reason whatsoever. Once September rolls around, /b/ will return to it’s slightly less attack-oriented subculture.
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by Phaneuf's Rock Collection on Jul 22, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I question the death threats; Gawker talks about them more as prank calls, which seems much more 4chan-esque. Also, at that point, I think the father was more the target than the girl.
by Bower Power on Jul 21, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s mc79’s blog post on escrow and why the majority of the NHLPA won’t want to grieve Kovalchuk’s contract: http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=3266
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Basic summary intentionally fudged for brevity:
Players are entitled to 54% of league revenues which is enforced via the salary cap.
If player salaries are over 54% they pay the overage back to ownership via escrow.
Escrow is an amount of money taken out of every NHL player’s paycheck.
Deals like Kovalchuk’s cause the players to essentially pay escrow in years where Kovy’s cap hit is less than his salary. This usually evens out though because if a player plays his whole contract the salary and cap hits even out at the end eventually.
Kovalchuk’s cap hit is less than his salary for every year in his deal except the bullshit tacked on to the end. If Kovalchuk retires before those cheap years where his cap hit is $6M and his salary is $550K then he’ll have consumed something like $100M but only paid a cap hit for something like $75M meaning that NHL players as a whole will owe NHL ownership $25M for Kovalchuk’s deal.
The NHLPA will probably tear itself apart if Kovalchuk insists they file a grievance.
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This summary
Or mc79’s entire blog post should be emailed to every NHL player, stat.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Some group (I assume agents) is intentionally pulling wool over the eyes of the players on this matter. That and professional athletes show very little economic sense. Being as a lot of them are college (Especially in the other sports), i suggest the NCAA require them to take an investment course.
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Cut through the middle man!
Should send a link to every NHL player with a twitter account!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Think so.
and to @33dellis!
and @PaulBizNasty seems pretty fuckin’ on the ball.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Just sent this:
@mkomisarek why the NHLPA shouldn’t grieve Kovalchuk’s contract: http://bit.ly/bFtJTu
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
what if you were also to send that tweet?
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Would if I could, I’m at work.
I implore others to do the same thing.
Maybe a hash tag campaign as well, try to get it as a trending topic, hell it worked with #throwthesnake.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
#don’tgrievekovy?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
take that ’ out of it so the whole thing is a hashtag
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really know how hashtags work, you get the idea.
Make it so.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh
@mkomisarek had around 100 followers 2 weeks ago before he got retweeted for doing the charity cancer thing. He’s now around 4,500 I think.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
mc79 figured out what Kovy’s contract would cost Ethan Moreau personally, maybe someone could figure it out for other players with twitter, and tweet them the number and a link to the article.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a great idea. I wish I could figure it out.
/stares at numbers
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That’s why I delegated it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
ignore this.
I need to read through comments before replying…
by Bower Power on Jul 21, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Explain to me again why pro sports have unions?
The purpose of pretty much every union is to collectively bargain with management for the benefit of all members. Every single professional athlete has their own independent representative who negotiates a deal exclusively for that player.
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They’re there to back players against the league. Such as with fines, suspensions, expulsions, RFA negotiations, and the filing of grievances. If they aren’t a joke organization like the current NHLPA, a union really does a lot for the players.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we expect some Kovalchuk rants?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget to address Lebdamania!
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by Biff Carrington on Jul 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
“The contract has been rejected by the League as a circumvention of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Under the CBA, the contract rejection triggers a number of possible next steps that may be elected by any or each of the NHLPA, the Player and/or the Club. In the interim, the player is not entitled to play under the contract, nor is he entitled to any of the rights and benefits that are provided for thereunder. The League will have no further comment on this matter pending further developments.” – Bill Daly
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=534725
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So does that mean the cap circumvention penalties come into play? Or is it a simple “go back and fix it?”
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Not sure but I’d start leaning towards “cap circumvention penalties”.
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Total layman here
But I’m pretty sure only the arbitrator could assess such penalties, so first the PA would need to grieve, then they’d need to lose their grievance hearing.
I don’t see how the league can win the case, in light of Luongo’s 43 year-old salary and Hossa’s 42 year-old.
The contract should stand as is, provided the union files before Lou renegotiates.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
They can’t “renegotiate”: Art. 11.10. And it’s the commissioner that determines penalties if the “System Arbitrator” finds a circumvention.
This is what confuses me. It seems that even if the NHLPA doesn’t grieve and the contract is struck for circumvention, there still has to be a separate circumvention proceeding.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
So does that mean
No grievance would prevent Bettman from doling out a penalty, as he needs a third party judge to render a guilty verdict before he gets to hand out the sentencing himself?
My head hurts.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I THINK—not sure—that the NHL can file a separate circumvention “prosecution” that the Club could defend and would lead to penalties if upheld.
Presumably no penalty for just rejecting a contract because the Club doesn’t get to defend the contract; only the PA can grieve a rejection.
I think this will all be negotiated.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Article 11.6 (a) (1) (x)
“If the NHLPA does not timely dispute and refer to the
Arbitrator such rejection in the manner set forth in Section 11.5(g) above, then
immediately upon the expiration of the time period within which the NHLPA may
dispute and refer to the Arbitrator such rejection, the SPC or Offer Sheet, as the
case may be, will be deemed null and void ab initio (i.e., the Player’s Free Agency
and/or contractual status shall revert to the status he held prior to signing his SPC”
I’m cetainly no lawyer, but I read it as no grievance = instant UFA status.
Also, I’m not sure Art. 11.10 applies to this case. I think it’s just the general rule that existing contracts cannot be renogiated.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right re. 11.6 but I don’t see why 11.10 wouldn’t apply.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It might not
But if the current status of the contract is null and void, then Lou or Burke or anyone could negotiate a contract.
My use of the word RE-negotiate was unfortunate.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how the offseason
makes all fans amateur lawyers.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Usually
I stick to just being an armchair GM ;-)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The regular season
is saved for real lawyers on their cell phones.
by twoeightnine on Jul 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
The NHLPA has 5 days to grieve
they can fix it within the 5 day span as far as I’ve read from the MSM… of course they’re wrong a lot of the time. I’m exploring the CBA as I write this.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The NHLPA grieving would help Kovalchuk and hurt everyone else. Not sure why they’d go to bat for him.
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Oh I don't think they will
I think the Devils will fix the deal within the 5 days though.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they only have 5 days to grieve it. I think once it’s rejected it’s rejected though – I don’t know if there’s any going back to the table.
11.6 Rejection of SPCs and/or Offer Sheets; Subsequent Challenge and/or De- Registration of SPCs (a) Rejection of SPCs and/or Offer Sheets. In the case of an SPC […] that is filed and rejected by the League, the following rules and procedures shall apply: (i) If an SPC […] is rejected: […] © because it is or involves a Circumvention of either the Club’s Upper Limit or the Maximum Player Salary, and:
(x) if the NHLPA does not timely dispute and refer to the Arbitrator such rejection in the manner set forth in Section 11.5(g) above, then immediately upon the expiration of the time period within which the NHLPA may dispute and refer to the Arbitrator such rejection, the SPC […] will be deemed null and void ab initio (i.e., the Player’s Free Agency and/or contractual status shall revert to the status he held prior to signing his SPC […]
(y) if the NHLPA does timely dispute and refer to the Arbitrator such rejection in the manner set forth in Section 11.5(g) above, then such dispute over that rejection shall be both heard and decided by the Arbitrator within forty-eight (48) hours […]
(iii) If the Arbitrator sustains the League’s rejection of any such SPC […] pursuant to subsection (i) above, then the Arbitrator shall order that the rejected SPC […] will, immediately […] be deemed null and void ab initio (i.e., the Player’s Free Agency and/or contractual status shall revert to the status he held prior to signing his SPC […]
To me, that looks like if the league rejects it based on cap circumvention, you’re pooched and can’t fix it first
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The bottom of that section reads
if the NHLPA grievance period expires, or the arbitrator finds in favour of the NHL, then the team has 48 hours to renegotiate the SPC.
If no grievance is filed and the 48 hour period expires then the SPC is immediately sent to an arbitrator who fixes the contract, while trying to preserve the total dollar amount and the term. after that the player and club have 3 more days to negotiate a new contract if they want.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
There are basically 5 days
after the NHLPA grievance period in which they OR an arbitrator will fix it.
This won’t be cleared up quickly if they don’t try to change it immediately… I don’t know how long the grievance period lasts though.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
No, that’s (iv) or (vi), neither of which apply here.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Section (iv)
was only within 24 hours of the deadline… gotcha… skipped that part upon first perusal.
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by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
so, uh, this is going to be fun
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Maybe the NHL
Should start a summer time reality show based on Kovy.
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I think they just did.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuk Island
where each week a team is voted off his acceptable list due to cap space limitations, weak offers, or cap-circumvention methods?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed, like you said, what a shitshow.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/felixpotvin/status/19079254650
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How much Kovalchuk is costing the players
Someone asked for this, so I wanted to figure it out.
mc79 figured that no player would play for less than $2M, meaning that Kovalchuk’s last season would be when he’s 38 and making $3.5M. At that point his salary vs caphit difference total will be $32.5M. Using the same math mc79 used by averaging that out over the length of the contract in use (11), that comes to an average cost to the players of $2.955M per year because of Kovalchuk. Assuming a steady revenue of $1.75B; that means that every year on average Kovalchuk is costing every player…..
$1688.31 per every million dollars of their salary.
Use this information to your heart’s content.
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Holy math batman.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
To put this in perspective for those of us not earning millions a year: if I made $50k per year, I would have to pay around $85 annually to a co-worker because of a contract that they signed. My union would be getting a letter from me not to grieve the contract rejection.
To put this in perspective for those of us not earning millions a year
Whoa, some of you chumps don’t earn millions per year?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The terms of service of this site clearly state it’s for millionaires only.
I’ll ban you in a few minutes thanks for admitting this to us.
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You have to adjust your own bling?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Banned for not having a bling adjuster.
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ha ha.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
who let the pauper in?
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
And that’s just the purples.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Platinum baby, platinum.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Going a bit further, this is how much it costs players per season:
10-11: 0/$MM
11-12: 0/$MM
12-13: $3142/$MM
13-14: $3142/$MM
14-15: $3142/$MM
15-16: $3142/$MM
17-18: $3142/$MM
18-19: $2571/$MM
19-20: $1428/$MM
20-21: $285/$MM
21-22: -$1428/$MM (They get a credit here, and then he’ll retire. presumably)
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
So Mike Komisarek for instance, who makes $4.5M for the next 4 years would lose $28,285 total on account of Kovalchuk.
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Tweet away.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
This seems like something @mkomisarek needs to know about.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Make it so.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Can't
@work.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Cuss, me too.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Delegation is important too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s how the rich stay rich.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Start tweeting dipshit or I’ll do it for you.
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#dontgrievekovy
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
So has Alan Walsh gone off on this part yet, or does he get paid the same either way?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, and yea, wish I could start tweeting people. This is also the amount per year not the total over 17 years right?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s the per year average. See the year by year breakdown above.
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Yea, saw that. Thanks for doing the math.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously, the analysis is based on a bunch of assumptions, but none of them are outrageous.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually the only assumption is the expected salary paid out to the players which is a somewhat steady figure on account of the salary cap.
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I'd argue this is also an assumption
mc79 figured that no player would play for less than $2M,
Recchi? There’s got to be others too. Too lazy to look for a site that sorts by age and shows cap.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Recchi made 1m last year, is making 1m-1.9m this year with performance bonuses.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Mark Recchi didn’t have the option of retiring and then playing for more money back home in the KHL. Me thinks that’s what Kovalchuk would do.
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Probably, yeah.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean the North Division of the Chinese League?
What are the odds that Russia retains its current form that long, let alone the KHL
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Sportsnet and USA Today do it methinks
though I don’t use their sites regularly.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you guys do, use the 'z' key or something?
I am way too old to keep up with all the threads.
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Plus, my computer tends to lag even when I read posts with 500+ comments AFTER all the action is over.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
my computer always lags when I open a post of 500 comments, but if you leave the page open and it auto updates, it doesn’t seem to lag at all for me.
"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."
Ya
plus I keep minimizing the gifs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
see I don’t understand this lag business, because I don’t get lag on either of the two computer I may use to view this website…
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by whyevenbother on Jul 21, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's weird
‘Cause I don’t understand this minimizing GIFs business.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
if there is a title on a comment containing a picture, you can click on the title to minimize the picture
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
jedi picture trick!
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
brilliant
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
aaaand, minimized.
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I see nothing.
This isn’t the gif I was looking for.
Please don't act like this comment is important
by Archimedies on Jul 21, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What do you guys do, use the ‘z’ key or something?
Yes, yes, a million times yes.
You learn quickly from Game Day Threads that it’s impossible to keep up without it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Opening door for crazy abuse here
Game day threads over on Silver Seven: PPP :: my skating: John Mitchell’s
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Sens fans are just a myth anyway, like Bigfoot.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
or if I come in late, I just shift+A it and have a clean slate.
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Shift + A like a motherfucker.
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I actually opened the site up in IE the other day, and noticed there were way more lag issues than when I usually run it in Chrome. If you have a browser choice, might be an option too.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
Chrome is win.
But for some reason, it won’t open some sites sometimes (like mapleleafs.nhl.com)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t imagine why anyone would use IE by choice.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Odd… I’ve noticed some fun issues on a few sites, just from people not really testing webkit browsers, but mapleleafs.nhl.com is not one of them, just loaded up without issue.
Still ridiculously faster than everything else out there… only thing I keep Firefox open for now is testing.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
Personally
I used SHIFT-A
then I do a search for the word “Chemmy” and read all of his posts, then say something dumb.
Please don't act like this comment is important
that’s a failsafe approach, right there.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even know what I do, but it works, or doesn’t, depending on how you look at it
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
When it doesn’t work, somehow it works.
/ Jared effect
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
there is a spoon, but it’s on a really high shelf
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I do the same thing when I get home for work, except with your posts.
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by Chemmy on Jul 21, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think they are correct
Because they state
The NHL has no case because all Lou Lamoriello and the Devils have to do is take some of those $11.5 million seasons, and redistribute the cash to the back end of the contract to bring the salary to around $1 million, and then resubmit the contract for approval.
Which has been determined to be false. By rejecting it based on cap circumvention, the Devils can’t say “Oopsie, our bad” and change it to make it better.
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Yea, it’s been deemed that those 7 extra years are the issue, not the amount paid in them, unless it was evenly distributed maybe.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
I get his point but the league employs how many lawyers? I doubt they’d do this to such a high profile player’s contract if their case was weak.
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
also
can someone please explain to me why people now think the league should’ve nullified bad deals too? I’ve seen Blake and Finger’s names tossed out. Ugh.
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
Wishful thinking.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
If your player doesn’t perform after 1 year, bring your contract receipt back to NHL head offices for a complete refund!
Because it wasn’t your fault in the first place, obviously
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oh man
Glen Sather would be ALL OVER that
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
But then he couldn’t screw the Habs and Oilers :(
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Oilers?
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Ales Kotalik!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
wait, flames
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
some team in the albertan tundra
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
oh
this makes more sense, yes
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The deal is dead
JeffMarek Sportsnet reports the Devils will not appeal the NHL’s decision on Kovalchuk contract.
Wonder if this is in return for Bettman not seeking sanctions.
Also, I didn’t think it was the Devils’ decision to appeal—thought it was the NHLPA.
D'oh
a second too late.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if this is new...
The New Jersey Devils will not appeal the decision by the National Hockey League to reject its contract offer to free agent Ilya Kovalchuk, sources tell Sportsnet.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/07/21/kovalchuk_devils/
But the NHLPA is the one with the possible grievance, correct?
Not sure what that means for his contract… so many conflicting reports on whether in can be re-negotiated, if it’s going to be penalized, if its void, if it will be overheard by an arbitor…. my head hurts.
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Yea, what is the next step, what are the possible steps?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
my head hurts.
I’ll let some one else figure that out. I’d just like this all to be wrapped up as soon as Burke gets back from fishing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Next step: assuming no one else decides to take some sort of action, Kovalchuk becomes UFA on Friday (Saturday?)
In addition to the league, apparently either the NHLPA, The Devils, or Kovalchuk himself could contest the decision. Kovalchuk’s agent issued a “No comment” which leaves the NHLPA, and who knows what they are going to do.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
UFA status: Whoopdidoo!
It’s still between 2 teams anyway (I’d consider the KHL a non-factor now)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually like Burkes idea
next step, go fishing
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, mc79 and I were emailing about this last night—it’s the NHLPA’s to grieve, not the Devils. Marek has agreed on Twitter. So not sure what the hell this means.
I suspect a deal has been concocted whereby the deal dies, but no penalties are levied against the Devils and they get to have a “do-over” at $100MM, 15 yrs (with salaries of at least $1-2MM in the tail). Kovy loses a few million when he retires early, the Devils lose a little cap space, Bettman saves face.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I think happens too.
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That also means
the Devils are even further over the cap than they were previously, which means they need to move a larger contract.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, somehow Leafs lose a 4th round pick. (From mf37’s post last night)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes sense. The only qualm is that they didn’t just tack on 2 extra years to bring down the cap hit, they tacked on 7. I don’t see how the re-structured deal would pass muster.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but they’ve signed off on age 42 deals. Hossa will “get” $1MM ages 39-42. How can the Devils be faulted if they do the same?
The Hossa deal is a joke too but if I were an NJD fan I’d be outraged if Chicago got a Cup partially on the back of that contract but NJD is not allowed to do the same.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
17 vs 12 years I think is the big issue here.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
7 years @ barely over league min seems to me to be far different from 3 years @ 1 mill
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
DiPietro’s isn’t front loaded.
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct
DiPietro gets paid the same throughout the contract.
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Right.
If Kovalchuk’s was 17 years and $6M every year this wouldn’t be an issue.
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Not a problem for the league
But try telling Kovy that if he retires at 38, he’s leaving $36M off the table!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
*on the table
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
dont worry, i lose track too...
my money butler is in charge of keeping money on my money tables, and my table butler is in charge of keeping the other butlers off my regular tables.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 21, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
League says “If you’re planning on playing out your entire contract, then what’s the problem?”
I guess he could argue time value of money… but let’s be real kids.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
So the league could calculate the PV
Then tell Kovi to sign an equally weighted contract for that amount.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
All depends on the chosen discount rate!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What is the amortization rate of a 27-year old Russian multiple-time 40-goal scorer over 17 years, anyway?
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a question of where he grips it! It’s a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
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They didn't seem to mind Keith's 13 year deal, or DiPietro's 15 year deal.
It’s some combination of the salary structure, the length, and his finishing age (44).
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that DiPietro’s contract is a flat rate at $4.5M and only goes until he’s 40. It’s comical, but you can’t say it’s cap circumvention.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
And he was a young goalie they saw as part of their future, same with Kieth. Hossa’s deal is the best comparison and it’s only 12 years.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I was arguing this point
17 vs 12 years I think is the big issue here
If length is the problem, then 17 is too long, cut it back to the longest accepted contract (15 years so far).
If retirement age is the problem, cut it back to the oldest accepted finishing age so far (42 I think).
If salary structure is the problem, take more money from the front and add it to the back like the min on the other structures. ($1M each year on the tail for the last 5 years).
It’s gotta be a combination of all 3 that’s the real problem.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s definitely a combination of all three.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the first two years at 6(6+)million, then the jump to 11 million set off the NHL’s alarm bells as well.
that probably doesnt matter
look at the kooky structue of mikko koivu’s new deal.
alternating years of signing bonuses, with a double bonus in the last year. 9mm for Koivu at the end of his deal?? weird, but accepted.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 21, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The mid-loaded structure likely had to do with Vanderbeek’s inability to service the debt on the Rock, combined with the impending free agents in two years.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It actually made it tougher to drop, as they could only descend 50% of those first two years at a time (i.e. drop only $3M at a time)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
or the suspicion of Kovy’s agent that there will be a salary rollback in 2 years.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
There’s that also. I dunno why I assume that part was player-instigated.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't actually bother the NHL
in fact it prevents the drop from being too high according to the 50% rule.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Duhatschek’s article said that the team could “take action” as well. Not sure what kind of action they could take, but now it’s clear they aren’t taking it.
PA is the last step now, I guess.
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the MSM is lame, vol. 2196
From Burnside’s piece on ESPN:
There are regulations in the CBA that cover fluctuations in contract payments. For instance, a source told ESPN.com on Tuesday night that a player can’t get paid $10 million one year and $1 million the next; and there have been contracts that have had to be altered to ensure those regulations were followed.
Really, Scott? You’re going with “a source told”? Here’s a tip: google “NHL CBA” and look it up yourself, as dozens of us here have and sorted out the precise issues involved as early as last night.
Pathetic.
Not to mention
It would be permissable for a contract to pay someone $10M one year and $1M the next, provided the first two years are for $18M apiece (pending a $90M ceiling). So Burnside’s source is correct, but I doubt he has a firm grasp of the 100 percent rule.
(unless that source is indeed Hoag ;-)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I have the CBA bookmarked
I still hate reading it, though.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What a diplomatic response.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t the league required to have already specified the reason in writing?
Maybe they just said , “Circumvention” and the PA wants more specifics.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
From the PA’s perspective, the best option is not to move until they have to. Especially if they’re not going to lodge a grievance.
All I can do is picture the Ambassador from the Neutral Planet from Futurama
If I die… tell my wife ‘hello’
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I read that as...
THIS JUST IN! THERE IS NOTHING NEW TO REPORT. I REPEAT, NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED, JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL. STAY TUNED FOR MORE ON THIS BREAKING STORY.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s bigger than that.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
my reading
HOLY CRAP THE LEAGUE DIDN’T APPROVE THE CONTRACT AND WE ARE SURPRISED. WE ARE TAKING TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE’RE SUPPOSED TO DO. WE’LL GET BACK TO YOU WHEN WE KNOW.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
this is the weirdest birthday present I’ve ever gotten.
So do we know what the NHLPA can do if the Devils don’t want to appeal?
What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation
the NHLPA can do whatever they want, the Devils don’t really have a say.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i would think a team has a right to file a grievance with the league over issues like this, if they feel inclined to do so. probably doesn’t fall under the CBA charter, but might fall under the ownership rules or some such thing (if any does exist)
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
sure
but what the Devils want to do or not do has no effect on what the PA’s course of action is.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
no, but it wouldn’t hurt if they were in agreement.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Teams have no such right in the CBA or the NHL Constitution. Couldn’t find anything in the by-laws either.
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The powers of the Commissioner in the by-laws are incredible. Bettman can basically do just about anything he wants.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
this explains his ability to control the look of every teams website.
more and more, he reminds me of the Penguin.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ohshrit should buy him a monocle as a christmas present
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Monocles are so the epitomy of evil!
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
But by not appealling, haven’t the Devils basically said they’re not interested in all this mess?
So if they’re not interested, then why should the PA appeal to save the contract?
What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation
because Kovalchuk may want them to.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s the decisionmaking process for the NHLPA? Surely they don’t file a grievance just because a single player wants them to…
But that’s sorta my question: If Hamhuis or Kovalchuk were to file, would there be some sort of NHLPA governing body or review process that leads them to “Yes Hamhuis, no Klusterfhuk?”
Lame joke on my part
I was just implying that Hamhuis alone got Paul Kelly fired.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thisis why we’re tweeting Komisarek so the PA won’t grieve. It’s against the interests of literally every other player in the league.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Depending on the union bylaws
they may have to if Kovy wants them to.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Most unions are
obligated to advocate on behalf of their members… irrespctive of what the other members think of an individual case.
It’s like OSSTF having to advocate on behalf of teachers that are accused of doing something idiotic in the class room. Even if other teachers think it was dumb and the classroom behaviour deserved punishment, the union bylaws require them to advocate and provide support to all members equally irrespective of the opinions of other members.
If they don’t like that sort of union structure, they can vote to change the bylaws so that every SPC has to be ok’d by the rest of the players… somehow I don’t think they’re about to do that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 21, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but if the union grieving and winning would have a resulting negative impact, including taking money out of the pocket of the rest of the membership, would that still apply? it very well could, I’m just not familiar with how that works… and i’m guessing there’s not a lot of precedence there.
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by BetterThanBester on Jul 21, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Donald Fehr needs to stretch before his workout?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Devils can appeal.
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Even if they could (and I’m not sure they could), all those sources are saying they won’t.
MOO POINT.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes
Clarke MacArthur was awarded $2.4M in an arbitration hearing, which the Atlanta Thrashers walked away from. He is now a UFA.
Think that will scare any teams that have RFAs headed to arbitration?
CLARKE MACARTHER WAS AWARDED $2.4M.
What the hell is White going to get? Or Mason Raymond?
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Macarther is a Lw……
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Did he submit Kovalchuk as a comparable, have Waddell counter with Eric Boulton, then have the arbitrator split the difference?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna say Dudley
But I figured how many ex-Sabres could that team possibly have – settled on Waddell.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume they submitted C-Mac’s numbers in the first two months of the season, where he usually scores 75% of his points.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Thrashers might be in for a surprise
when they get the results of Andrew Ladd’s arbitration.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Cliff Fletcher the one awarding these contracts?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He better not be or bye bye Blake Wheeler
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
does Wheeler have arbitration rights?
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
More importantly can Blake Wheeler play LW?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He filed for them, so I’d say yes.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ah
ouch
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Money, No Whammys, No Whammys, Stop!
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
and he has a Arb date coming up I believe… I don’t see how Boston can accept his results.
His stats are more impressive than MacArthers.
If he gets $2.5 – $3M, how can Boston do that? Bye bye Ryder?
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle for Wheeler.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ew.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a joke. I wouldn’t mind Wheeler at the right price though.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t have the space for that, neither.
Though he would reunite with Kessel again.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That's wheeler's plan all along
WHEELER MISSES KESSEL
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Wheeler for free if we wait until the 28th.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Only qualm is that he’s a righty and we’ve already got Kessel, Versteeg, and Armstrong at right wing. Without Armstrong, I’d like Wheeler for around the same.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
We can always move Night Moves to the left side.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll see what happens.. I forsee multiple threads of speculation if Boston doesn’t accept the Arbitration award
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If they don’t accept it, he becomes a UFA, right? So then he would be free to sign for less than his arbitration amount, assuming that was the best offer he got? So at that point basically anybody could pay him less than the arbitrated amount, EXCEPT Boston????
That would be messed up.
Yup
That will likely happen to MacArthur too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2010 6:35 AM EDT up reply actions
His date is on the 27th.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling that we’re going to see a second wave of UFAs after these arbitration hearings.
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
buy outs?
Hasn’t the buy out window closed?
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It opens again
if a team opens an Arb case… it happened to Boston (?) I believe before.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s how we sent Glen Murray to the glue farm.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
But he gots a big field to play in, and all the oats & hay he can eat, right????
And someone brushes his mane every night and treats him extra special!
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He gets paid part of his salary after he’s no longer playing, so that’s something.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The buyout window is closed. No more buyouts.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
It re-opens after the Arbs are done
Just like when they sell those disgusting Cadbury Eggs for cheap in May
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You take that back.
Those eggs are amazing and wonderful.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe in March
Less so in May / June
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 21, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you cannot put a statute of limitations on the awesomeness of the Cream Eggs! RELEASE THE GOO!
Seriously, wife bought me the Caramilk ones this year. Blew my fucking mind.
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Incorrect!
There is a second round of buyouts post-arbitration.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
Burke agrees with you.
Fish through the Arb dates, Burkey!
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m kind’ve excited to see how much Raymond gets now.
Trading Bieksa or whoever it is that the Canucks have to get rid of will make the Gagne trade look like it was good value.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, the major difference is Gagne is good and Bieksa sucks, c’moon salary dump and a 7th
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m kinda glad Leafs have $1M in cap space still (without impact of Kaberle or Finger, and using bonus cushion). However, I gotta assume Hanson’s contract will take up most of that (if in NHL instead of AHL).
Burke isn’t in “shit I gotta dump to get under the cap” mode yet.
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A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Burkes cap contingency plan involves waiving finger
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Burkescap contingencyplaninvolvesshould be waiving finger regardless.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
meh, if he doesnt need to then why?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
OK but, if he doesn’t need to, but we hit a perf bonus penalty by anything between 0 and 3.5M…?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
then hopefully, unlike last year, those bonuses will be deserved and mean we did well!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Similar production to Kulemin, a year older, a couple more years in the NHL. Maybe they used Kulemin as a comparable.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
I thought that too. Or at least 1 of many comparables.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t think so. I don’t think you can use contracts that were signed during this free agent season as comp’s. Only pre-existing comp’s.
In arb, anyway.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I read somewhere it was only RFA contracts, not UFA. Otherwise, Boogaard would ruin the whole thing.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s RFA contracts only and I’m pretty sure it’s only deals signed within the past two years.
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Niemi, Fleishmann, Carcillo, James Wisniekski, Ladd, Wheeler, Stralman, Brunnstrom, Moulson, Peter Regin also all have Arbitration hearings between now and Aug 4.
Could be interesting to see what shakes out after that.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
If Japers Rink during the playoffs is any indication, the arbitrator could award Fleischmann league minimum and Caps fans would still want to walk away
Resident Capologist
23G, 28A, 51P in 69 games played
He will undoubtably get more than league minimum.
Yes, take those stats with a grain of salt due to him playing on the most rediculous offensive roster in the NHL, but still…. 23G is 23G.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
clrkaitken was pointing out the hatred of him by Japers’ Rink. Not making a serious suggestion that he’d get league minimum
A Nation of Masochists
1967 - Owning the drought since 2010
Heh ya I got that, I’m just trying to mentally figure out, using MacArthur’s award as a guideline, what he might get…. hmm.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Carcillo signed a new contract to avoid arbitration.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't know that
when did he sign? I must have missed it.
1 year at 1.075M.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If I had to guess – Burke would have his eye on Ladd, Wheeler and Moulson
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
please not moulson
flash in the pan probably.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 21, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
agree
though I wonder if Snow would have the guts to walk away from an award.
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
No Moulson.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Or he was finally given an opportunity to succeed – good ice time, with good players. He bulked up, improved his skating and suceeded.
I’m just sayin’ until we see what happens next season, not fair to call him a flash in the pan, just yet.
A one hit wonder isn’t a one hit wonder, until they release their second single and it sucks
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
alright, based on this opinion I’ll defer judgement until his 12-goal season (i.e., next year). ;)
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ha ha… save the comment for future use
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
would be in line with me putting my foot in my mouth
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Kristisch
/chillllls
Sharp decline in production after coming to the Leafs as a 30 year old. AKA the good old days.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to be very interested in what Wisniewski and White get, because my Ian White fanpost identified them as comparables
Resident Capologist
I hope they use your fanpost during negotiations.
Your honour, I’d like to present Exhibit A…
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
They can’t, because a) it only took into account the first half of this season, and b) it used unofficial stats, which we’ve learned are not permitted in the discussion of comparable players.
If ian White had have stayed, I planned on doing a follow-up piece. Wasn’t meant to be
67 and I were also going to do a Kulemin mock arbitration; that wasn’t meant to be either.
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I actually don’t even remember the Leafs’ last arbitration.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a great question. Antropov threatened it, but I’m sure they signed a deal prior to the hearing.
Does the Nolan fiasco count or is that more mediation? I can’t think of the Leafs taking a player to arbitration in the past 10 years.
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You’re right, I think there was a Nolan arbitration, but it wasn’t a salary arbitration. I literally can’t remember one.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Yanic Perrault? That was 1999.
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by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We use to call Moulson, Micheal Jackson. He was a lot thinner, if you can picture his face more boney.
I dunno – he scored 30 on a bad team, and only had Tavares to work with. Kessel scored 30 in Toronto, with little to work with as well. And it’s not like Tavares is an assist machine. His career has been slowly trending upwards, and his biggest problem was putting on weight and getting a chance to play a full NHL season, stuck in a deep LA system.
He’s a natural LW, left shot. Good size, good hands, and it seems he learned how to skate.
He could be a flash in the pan, or the beginning of a pretty good career.
Only issue will be the price
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
At the NHL level, perhaps.
Can’t see Islanders letting him slide though.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
However
Islanders are like a billion dollars below the cap floor, they will take the 1-year regardless.
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A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And then give Doug Weight a lot of performance bonuses to make it to the floor!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Pff
I don’t know why you’d do that, when perennial Norris contendor Jeff Finger is available for the low low price of nothing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I’m sayin’
Really, could see him having a career year if dealt to a team like NYI this year.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn’t take souray at 5.4 for free.
Actually thought they might.
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm shocked they didn't.
Wow, how bad must Souray be when Islanders won’t even take him as a salary dump?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Souray only wants to play on the West Coast due to family reasons. I’m totally talking out of my ass here, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he made it clear to Eastern teams that he might hold out or demand a trade if they claimed him
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if that was the case, I would have claimed him – just to be an asshole about it.
Then He can sit all he wants – don’t have to pay him.
I wonder if they could ask the NHL to NOT give them cap relief…
then he can count on the cap, sit out, and not get paid.
that would work for the islanders.
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
picking up malcontents who refuse to play is a surefire way to build a championship team.
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If I were the GM of the Islanders….
Doesn’t look to me like their goal is a championship team.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you think their goal is?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Hey are we on for tonight or what?
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Go Podcast!
Chemmy wants to wax profound (profane?) on the Kovalchuk fiasco.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope your special guest is Wendel Bark…
His tweets are insightful and sometimes bacon-related.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
PPPPodcast
I’m on for tonight.
Get your old man jokes ready as I can’t find my headphone/mic set and I’m blind as a bat from a visit to the eye doctor this afternoon. I have no idea what was in the eye drops she gave me, but I’m in the market for a pair of these:
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Nice. Thought you had a meeting until 10.
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Well thanks for ignoring my emails.
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well his secretary did
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re supposed to call him and check to see if he gets the email, and then tell him everything in said email.
and then get upset when he doesn’t respond via email, even though he responded verbally…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now? New arena.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mapleleafs.com
does anyone else find it absurd that there is no updated wallpaper for Phaneuf in the new jersey sporting the C?
Or one for Versteeg?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
If you type in Kessel in the search box on NHL.com’s main page, he’s still wearing a Bruins sweater in the little picture.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I think we know someone to yell at about that.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
class photos are around september i think
someone was probably at the doctors office that day (aka shoulder rehab)
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 21, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
phil kessel has not taken a headshot as a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
It is up to the team to provide one.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
ugh
the Leafs are really, really annoying sometimes.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
psht :P
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh really? The “crop” function on your photo editor doesn’t work?
BEAUROCRACY!!!1
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
if you click on “Kovalchuk’s end-to-ender” on NHL.com’s front page, it takes you to a highlight where he doesn’t score a goal.
Join me on the Hockey Blog Adventure! (or Twitter.) GO BRUINS! (and Wild!)
by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s impossible
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
New: Capgeek FAQs
Here.
Of particular interest is the LTIR one. Contrary to popular belief, guys on LTIR do NOT “come off the cap”. It’s very, very limited relief and is a major reason we have the $1.4MM penalty this year.
Uh oh
I hope this isn’t Van Ryn’s fault…
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Then I’d have a bone to pick with him.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy, he’s running awfully short.
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
that is definitely not what I thought LTIR did.
Interesting stuff.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So basically, Komisarek was on LTIR, but we weren’t given 4.5 in cap relief, we were given the relief equal to the cap hit of the replacement player…
We should’ve claimed that we replaced him with Phaneuf…
I like this idea.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Also interesting note on the contract sliding...
If a player aged 18 or 19 signs an entry-level contract with a club (with his age calculated on Sept. 15 of the year he signed the contract) but does not play in at least 10 NHL games, the contract will “slide” or be extended one year. The extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between Sept. 16 and Dec. 31 in the year he signed the contract.
Depending on the contract’s structure, the player’s cap hit can be affected either by an increase or a decrease. Players who sign at age 18 can have their contract extended (or “slide”) two seasons.
Nailed it! Who was saying it could only slide once…
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Guilty
But I was right on LTIR!
Capgeek has a special piece for Leafs fans on that.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya I had no idea how LTIR worked.
Eyes = Opened. Complicated stuff…
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Complicated stuff is putting it mildly. I was never able to explain it nearly as well as capgeek. Those guys are the definition of awesome.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What I’d like to know is at what point insurance pays the salary of someone on LTIR.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
But it only slides if the player goes back to junior. If they play in the AHL, it doesn’t slide
In loving memory of #21 Chris Higgins......I never even got the chance to say "I Love You"
Yeah, I think nhlcheapshot was always right on that one. I don’t think anyone said you could slide a guy in the AHL.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Or if they did
they were misinformed.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Signings....
The St. Louis Blues re-signed restricted free agent David Perron to a two-year, $4.3 million contract on Wednesday.
Free agent forward Patrick Kaleta has agreed to terms on a two-year contract with the Buffalo Sabres, the club announced on Wednesday. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Maybe St. Louis will somehow give us Backes now.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
St. Louis = my darkhorse playoff team in the West
Then again, I said that last year too… they have some great young talent, plus now a decent goalie… all while spending nowhere NEAR the cap.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes Kulemin’s deal not so good.
ATL must be pissed they weren’t able to use Perron as a comparable for MacArthur.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
Kulemin’s agent played it pretty well, asking an outrageous price then making us feel like “winners” for bringing it down to $2.35 or whatever it ended up being…
I’m not upset at the award.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Me neither, I think Kule is fair and Perron is a steal.
And MacArthur is a joke.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Kule fair and MacArthur a joke? Explain.
Is it cause Kule is based on potential, while MacArthur you know what you’re getting?
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Kulemin is a much better player right now based on a host of advanced metrics, even putting potential aside.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d toss $1.8 at MacArthur.
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Term?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Couple years? 15 goals-ish looks ok on the third line.
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In theory, but we have enough 3rd/4th liners.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We should put Kulemin on the third line
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
sure, if we get a better 1st/2nd liner to replace him
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Two, really. I’d have Caputi on the third LW before I have Kuli down there. I figured MLM was just joking.
yeah … I think Kulie’s got top 6 in him. Would love him on the 2nd line LW with Grabbo and Versteeg this year. Obviously if we had some offensive dymanos at LW before Kulie, he’d look great on the 3rd line too. Great problem to have.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Kulemin belongs on the line opposite Kessel, and any other legit scoring threat we get belongs on the second line – his own line (to maximize the time we have a legit sniper out on the ice).
The only case in which I’d wanna see Kulie-Grabo-’steeger would be if Caputi was playing up with Kessel (which would be an interesting two-game experiment; Caputi was billed as a score-from-close-in kind of guy).
Oh does he?
Yeah I like him on either of the top two lines. Did like that Kule-Bozak-Kessel line to end the season.
If we could trade an aging puck moving defenseman as part of package, for an offensive, big bodied LW who has proven he can score a bit more than Kulie, than a 2nd line of Kule-Grabbo-Versteeg would be cool.
Either way – potaytoes/potahtoes
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
But you’re missing the point: If we can trade an aging defenseman for an offensive LW who can scoer a bit more than Kulie, I want him on a different line than Phil Kessel is on.
The goal is to force teams with one good defensive defenseman (which, in the East, is far more teams than not) to have to either cover Kessel or Kabertrade. Putting the “guy that can score more than Kulemin” on the same line as Kessel totally undercuts that plan.
Grabbo passes (and shoots), Versteeg dangles, but Kulie couldn’t be counted as the sniper we need for that line. It’d be a fun line, definitely, but I’m not sure it would click unless Grabbo was allowed/expected to rip shots left and right.
Versteeg scored 20 goals on the Hawks third line last year. If other teams don’t think he’s a threat to score, they’re silly and deserve to be burned.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the current roster, I’m thinking that instead of a solid 1st and 2nd line, Burke’s basically going to play them both as a 1a and 1b, with near equal time.
Kulemin – Bozak – Kessel
Grabovski – Kadri – Versteeg
They’re equivalent in my eyes.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Throw them in a blender and whatever tastes the best…
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Here you go again with Grabbo on the wing…
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re G.D. right I want him on the wing.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Did you just channel Jack from A Few Good Men?
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I just want Versteeg and Kule on separate lines as I think they are the defensive conscience.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Opening night will probably be
Kulemin – Bozak – Kessel
Versteeg – Grabovski – Armstrong
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I’d give this like a 74% chance of being true.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Kessel light – prefect for the second line.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I totally understood your point. I’d prefer to lump them all together on one line, and let our eggs go all in one basket to start the season. Scare the fuck out of teams. Start with a bang.
I like the Kule-Grabbo-Versteeg second line, as defensively responsible, offensive threat. And the top line as sheer offense.
Ultimately whatever brings in Wins.
Also – “Kabertrade.” Prefect!
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool – I was fishing to see some advanced metrics.
I haven’t watched him play much, he doesn’t stand out and just perused his basic stats.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
See my comment above. I believe that you are not allowed to use contracts signed the current FA season as comp’s in arbitration. Only pre-existing ones can be referenced. I believe the comp’s you can use are very specifically defined, actually.
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm interesting… Wonder who is comparables were
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 21, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you say that?
(ii) The parties may offer evidence of the following:
…
(F) the overall performance in the previous season or seasons
of any Player(s) who is alleged to be comparable to the
party Player whose salary is in dispute; and
(G) The compensation of any Player(s) who is alleged to be
comparable to the party Player, provided, however, that in
applying this or any of the above subparagraphs, the Salary
Arbitrator shall not consider a Player(s) to be comparable
to the party Player unless a party to the arbitration has
contended that the Player(s) is comparable; nor shall the
Salary Arbitrator consider the compensation or
performance of a Player(s) unless a party to the arbitration
has contended that the Player(s) is comparable.
(iii) The following categories of evidence are inadmissible and shall
not be considered by the Salary Arbitrator:
(A) Any SPC the term of which began when the Player party to
such SPC was not a Group 2 Player;
(B) Any SPC entered into by an Unrestricted Free Agent,
including SPCs signed by Players after the Player’s Club
has exercised a walk-away right pursuant to Section 12.10;
© The SPC of any Player who is not being offered as a
comparable Player to the party Player;
(D) Qualifying Offers made by the Club pursuant to Section
10.2(b);
(E) Any prior offers or history of negotiations between the
Player and the Club;
(F) Testimonials, videotapes, newspaper columns, press game
reports or similar materials;
(G) Any reference to actual or potential walk-away rights;
(H) Any award issued by a Salary Arbitrator as to which a Club
exercised its walk-away rights pursuant to Section 12.10;
(I) The financial condition of the Club or the League;
(J) References to a Club’s Upper or Lower Limit, or to the
Players’ Share;
(K) Any salary arbitration award issued in 2005-2006; or
(L) Any reference to any salary or other compensation
information in any salary arbitration opinion that took place
prior to the execution of this Agreement. If any salary
arbitration opinion issued prior to the execution of this
Agreement is cited as precedent, all references to any
Player’s Player Paragraph 1 Salary or other compensation
information will be redacted.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that’s really long. Just going by what I heard discussed on the Fan a couple weeks ago when they were talking about some Flames players being taken to arbitration.
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, did I miss the part where you said you were being sarcastic?
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 21, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sarcastic—I just thought current signings were admissible and couldn’t find anything to the contrary. My knowledge of the CBA is not encyclopaedic so thought I might have missed something.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 21, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
hate Kaleta so much
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I just hope Brown wants to endear himself to Burke that first leafs sabres game
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone feel like we’re tempting fate a little having a guy named Brown on the team?
I feel like this is all going to end with a giant line brawl gone wrong and Sean doing the Charlie Brown walk a la Arrested Development
Resident Capologist
nah, just replacing the colour name lost by white
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
What I mean is when it’s our own guy getting his ass kicked, “Down Goes Brown” isn’t as funny anymore.
Either that or Sean will start suing Joe Bowen for royalties.
Resident Capologist
This.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 21, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
eh, he had 14 fights last year and won almost 70% of them
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Boogaard 4 times.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s Orr’s job
Brown is there to face the Chris Neals and Patrick Kaletas of the world
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Boogaard is a hilariously bad excuse for a hockey player, but I can’t say I didn’t like him pulverizing the shit out of people.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, looking at the wrong number
he won under 50% of em, but there were a bunch of draws
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Also kinda funny
DP_57 (David Perron) broke the story of his own signing today, haha
DP_57
I want to announce that I have just signed a 2 yr deal with St. Louis. Really happy to be back! Here is the link http://bit.ly/dmbnpk
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I did
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Jul 21, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions
Oh, as a BTW
I removed two players from my “Players who were old” counts because they both were coaches, and played only under the emergency goalie rule. (Which is a funny rule, btw)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I have a place in my heart for the UBC goalie that signed an emergency contract with the Canucks one year.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
In the olden days, you could literally put anyone in net, including people in the stands, if your goaltender was injured (meaning: hit in face by puck and getting stitches done)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
OMG
WHY DID THE LEAFS NOT DO THIS THIS YEAR!!!
Any random person in the ACC would’ve been better than Toskala.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You could have held a contest! “Now in goal for the leafs, section 227, row C, seat 35!”
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
get over a .800 save percentage and JFJ will offer you a multi year contract!
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
With a Full No Movement Clause! Ba-dum ch!
You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon
by Biff Carrington on Jul 21, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Call ups from a AAA team in the GTA
Wham Wham! Kabam Kabam! A Double Kabam! And It's A Double Dion!
by realcanadianbacon on Jul 21, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
we should’ve signed Paulo Colaiacovo.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
or Malcolm Subban
Wham Wham! Kabam Kabam! A Double Kabam! And It's A Double Dion!
by realcanadianbacon on Jul 21, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnny Bower nearly dressed for a game with the Leafs against the Habs in the late 70s/early 80s. I so wish it had happened just to have seen him sitting on the Leaf bench.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Also:
Marian Hossa’s contract on capgeek violates the 50% rule (by 50,000$, i assume due to capgeek not putting the exact number).
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
hmmmm no it doesn’t, does it? It drops from 7.9 to 4 and then to 1. So it drops by 3.9 and then 3, when it can drop by as much as 3.95.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sadly
Paul Bissonnette has de-activated his twitter account.
:(
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
ALREADY???? DAMN!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 21, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wuoh.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
wow, i just read the whole thing last night too
funny, funny guy. loves giving money to the homeless.
also, loves lap dances.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 21, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
heh, weird
GenadiB Ex #Habs forward Richard Zednik leave his KHL team
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions
The KHL
must just be awesome.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
where else would Zednik play?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the same mythical place where Toskala thinks he can be a #1 goalie.
I gotta think maybe Narnia needs a team.
North Korea probably too.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
So the guys at Jewel in the Crown seem to think Kovalchuk should fire his agent over this debacle.
Discuss.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions
no
I will not
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
by refusing to discuss this, you have contributed to the discussion!
And by bringing that up, so have I! Damn it!
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
so does…your face?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I would wait until the debacle gets resolved… finding some one (able, not willing) to take over at this point would be almost impossible.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
frankly, I don’t even see how Grossman can be considered guilty for the situation.
He very well could’ve said “Look, Ilya, this deal is risky, the league may not allow it to go through, are you sure you want to do this?” and Kovalchuk still said yes.
What agent is going to advise his client against signing a $102 million deal?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say he might be guilty of pricing Kovalchuk to such a rediculous standard that this crazy cap-circumventing 17 year rediculousness was the only feasable way of accomplishing the perceived $100M plateau.
Of the deal itself? Who knows.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of this is Kovy’s Ego
He wanted the richest hockey contract ever.
Is it just me, or does this guy seem like an ass?
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
this guy...? ego...? nah...
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
terrifying
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This hangs over his bed.
You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon
by Biff Carrington on Jul 21, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
I’m 27. If there was any way for me to set myself up for life right now, I’d do it.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the words every casting director wants to hear…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BCWW
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure you could set your self up for life for about 5 million.
102 is the ‘I got the biggest’ syndrome.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 21, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
_that_ makes a loft of sense
the agent who got him everything he wanted (term, dollars, front load, good team) somehow screwed up.
sounds like them boys been into the Crown a bit early tonight… maybe sour grapes at being scorned?
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 21, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
For the sake of humor you should check out what the geniuses (genii?) over at inlouwetrust are saying about the whole Kovy thing. Fair warning: if you like intelligent analysis, it’s not pretty over there.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
i assume it looks something like this
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by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty much
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They're pissed... and justifiably so
I just think there’s too much uncertainty right now for some of the “guarantee” arguments being tossed around.
“NHL doesn’t have a leg to stand on”, “they can’t do anything”, or my favourite, “They’re just out to get NJ”
You know who else the NHL is out to get? Apparently the 29 other teams other than Chicago. Sheesh, get over it.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 21, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If this happened with the Leafs.........
Heads would roll
Wham Wham! Kabam Kabam! A Double Kabam! And It's A Double Dion!
by realcanadianbacon on Jul 21, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
this place would’ve burned down had we signed Kovalchuk to this deal only to have the league tell us “NO!”
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
let’s buy him some fishing lures
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Man I can’t imagine this place if this happened to us. We’d burn the internet down.
Despite the fact that Kovalchuk is just renegotiating with New Jersey (ie. us if things were reversed) and will play there next season.
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by Chemmy on Jul 21, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
true
Kovalchuk will still be a Devil, but now it’s going to cost them more than they planned – both in cap space and in roster turnover. That’d be even trickier for us and our wonderful $1.4 mill cap hit due to bonuses from last year.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 21, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
life on earth would cease to exist if we were involved in this.
Truncated truclence
by Future_considerations on Jul 21, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
but it wasn’t us, so lets all point and laugh at those who did get hoodwinked
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 21, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i can think of about 8,707,739 reasons to laugh at new jersey… + kovalchuk, so i guess 8,707,740
Wham Wham! Kabam Kabam! A Double Kabam! And It's A Double Dion!
by realcanadianbacon on Jul 21, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
essentially, thanks to him, there is no forthcoming apocalypse.
at least, this week…
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by blurr1974 on Jul 21, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He’ll be back from vacation next week!
I should hit the Costco and stock up for the end of all things.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr Noodle..
And lots of it
Wham Wham! Kabam Kabam! A Double Kabam! And It's A Double Dion!
by realcanadianbacon on Jul 22, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
So if the Kovy deal
is restructured, which of their players does Burke want to poach?… Zajac? Elias?… who do we like?
I’d be ok with Elias if we can convince them to take Finger… package up Finger, Hanson, and umm Zigomanis or something… and we’ll take Elias and one of their crappy contracts… Bryce Salvador or something.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
You’re probably better off trying to put together a package for Crosby, Stamkos, or Doughty.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 22, 2010 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Valk Plaza
So are we gonna get Valk Plaza named or what?
by Montreal Export on Jul 26, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
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