You Down With O-Pee-Chee?
by SkinnyFish on Jul 30, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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Ya you know me! As I kid I used to collect sports cards; like a lot of sports cards. I had binders and binders full of 'em. My prized possession was an autographed Teemu Selanne rookie card that I mailed to Winnipeg to have him sign. It was pretty sweet. Back then if you wanted to collect hockey cards, there was only one true brand: O-Pee-Chee. As I grew older I stop collecting cards and eventually sold off my collection. I don't collect them anymore, but there is still something cool about hockey cards.
I play hockey in a mens league in Stamford, Connecticut. At the rink there is an arcade and in the arcade there is an old timey sports card vending machine. For some reason, after my game on Tuesday night I decided to have a looksee at the cards on sale. I was amazed at what I found. Among the 2009 Upper Decks and Topps packs, there was an entire row of 1991-1992 O-Pee-Chee hockey card packs! Wow is right. I bought a pack then and there and thought it'd be fun to show you all what was inside. Here....we....go.
Follow me after the jump for the contents of this pack. Your Friday links can be found all the way at the bottom.
So first off, did you catch that the pack came with a piece of gum?
Yeah, I'm not going to even try and chew that. And the card on which that piece of gum is permanently bonded? Why that would be Maxim Mikhailovsky of the Soviet Central Red Army team. On the back of the card are his Soviets vs. NHL stats; 7 GP with 21 GA. He's since been inducted into the Russian Hockey Hall of Fame.
Next up I found not one, but two Eddie Belfour cards; though neither of them were his actual hockey card. One was celebrating his 1990-1991 league leading wins tally (43) and the other his league leading save percentage (.910):
The next card in the pack was the biggest bust of the 1989 NHL Entry Draft, Dave Chyzowski. Selected 2nd overall behind the greatest Maple Leaf of all time, Mats Sundin, Chyzowski went on to play in 116 NHL games and scored a grand total of 31 points; 28 of which were in the two years represented on this card. Ouch!
Next we have NHL journeyman Tony McKegney, at the time of the Chicago Blackhawks. Tony played over 900 games in the NHL for 7 teams. The last 9 games of his NHL career were spent playing with Chicago, making this the last NHL card he ever appeared on. Neat!
The next card is for a player I'm sure you're all familiar with; Uwe Krupp, here playing for the Sabres. Uwe was, at the time, only the second German to have a lengthy career in the NHL and still is the only German to have his name engraved on Lord Stanley's Cup. He scored the cup clinging goal for the Avalanche in triple overtime back in 1996 and later won with Detroit in 2002, though he didn't get his name engraved on it due to an injury.
To finish off the pack in style, I found a trio of amazing Minnesota North Stars players; including two former 1st overall draft selections. First up is fan favorite Neal Broten. Neal was a part of The Miracle on Ice; won the Hobey Baker; and won the Cup in 95 with the Devils. Also, he just straight ruled.
Following Neal's card was that of the 1st overall selection of the 1978 NHL Amateur Draft, Bobby Smith. Bobby Smith, if you didn't know, was an amazing player back in the day. The man beat Wayne Freakin Gretzky for the OMJHL scoring title in 1977-78 with 192 points; a record that still stands to this day. He won the Calder as Rookie of the Year in 1979 and later won a cup with Montreal in 1986.
The last card in the pack was that of a Minnesota North Star who had yet to play a single game on that team, yet who had played a lot of game for the Toronto Maple Leafs. 1st overall pick; Leaf and North Star; 1991......who else could it be other than former Leafs captain Rob Ramage. Rob was claimed by Minnesota from the Leafs in the 1991 NHL Expansion draft 2nd overall behind Jeff Hackett. What is funny about the card is that the cards were most likely printed up in the summer so that the stats were up to date, but since Ramage had yet to play for the North Stars he appears on the card in a Leafs uniform with the notation that he is now with Minnesota.
Pretty good pack of cards I'd say!
Now for some links!
The Lost Boy - I still remember John Kordic
Butterflies and Black Aces with an amazing post that is a must read.
Replacement level goaltenders in the NHL
Behind the Net shows us another reason why Vesa Toskala sucks giant donkey balls.
Logic dictates a Kaberle deal is imminent
Since when has Brian Burke listened to logic?
LD's Friday Youtube Yoinkage: Dating
If the Leafs want success this coming season,
VLM says look no further than the Nashville Predators.
Who's the best fighter in the league?
LeafsHQ with a thorough breakdown on hockey's top pugilists.
What to excpect with Colby Armstrong
MLHS gives us the future 411 on Armdog.
It's an opportune time for the young Leafs
maplestirup sees that it's prime time for the youngens to get their shot.
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That Kaberle and the 7th overall pick for Kessel and Boston’s 2010 1st discussion that was all the rage in the Montreal 2009 Draft just seems several degrees better than the names being shopped around now.
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Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
it was Kaberle + 7th over all for just Kessel. We were never getting their 1st.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
ding ding ding
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, so it was Kessel + Kadri+ Kaberle (or whatever he gets in trade) OR Kessel+Seguin+Knight+ 2011st…..saying things went the same without kessel as a leaf
gonna go cry now
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
dont cry
We all know the leafs wouldn’t have finished 29th if that was the case
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
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not really, we have kaberle, kessel, and kadri, they have Seguin, Knight, and next years first which shouldnt be as high, right now we have the better package of players. B’s are in cap hell for the next few years, esp. since chara has to be re-upped next year, and all this without Seguin and wheeler signed (2.2 arbitrators response) for wheels
Jembries
and next years first which shouldnt be as high
Oh dear God you’ve jinxed us.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, how do Kaberle and Kadri figure into the Kessel trade?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Think he’s saying because we didnt do the trade at the draft we still have those players. Not necessarily relevant to the actual trade but whatever
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by clrkaitken on Jul 30, 2010 9:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly, kabs and our 7th could already be gone for kessel, but instead no kab no kad, and we get kessels… I still say we walk away ahead
Jembries
by oneKesselcul on Jul 30, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not down with OPC im down with Pro-set
Truncated truclence
by Future_considerations on Jul 30, 2010 8:06 AM EDT reply actions
Won’t lie, I got the ful set of 91-92 Pro-Set
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to go ahead and state that both RyanClassic and I are down with the original. Probably Jared too.
I am Mikhail Grabovski's smirking revenge.
“The other P, well that’s not that simple…”
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It kills me a little inside that they’ve got those ballin’ North Stars uniforms but the “fuck you I’m out” Norm Green Stars logos on those cards.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions
I would never have noticed that.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Norm Green is an asshole.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
LOOK AT THIS GREAT LOGO
WHAT’S THIS? IT’S OLD AS FUCK GUMP WORSLEY
OH LOOK HERE IT’S AMERICAN HERO MIKE MODANO
Logo fucking owned.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
IN THE WRONG LOGOED JERSEY
Kills me every time
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XCnh6KlPYk
about 4 minutes in. You can see it in all of it’s atrocity.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't have to
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, right?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Basil McRae, I think.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You are correct.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Me neither, you could always take a screen shot for us.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He totally did.
Hey CH, did it piss you off that in D2 they left Minnesota for California? Was it like your heart being ripped out again?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you CH, I really miss those North Stars jerseys. I also miss Nordiques-Habs bench clearing brawls, Whalers-Bruins, hell even the Jets (even though they were lousy anyways). A pox on every franchise that ever moved south.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I miss the old (Chuck) Norris Division.
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I’m torn on that one. There was something special about the Norris but the Leafs belong in the Adams.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always been partial to the idea of an Original Six division.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
As if our division isn’t tough enough, let’s play the Blackhawks and Red Wings 6 times a year.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh most definitely.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not seeing the problem with this.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Quiet you.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as the Bruins and Habs are in the same division, I’m okay with whatever realignment you want to cook up.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
not playing buffalo that often is good for 8 more points in the standings…
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Jets (even though they were lousy anyways)
Well played.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You know it.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle
Kaberle
Kaberlde
Kaberlda
Kaberda
Kaberbda
Kabebda
Kbebda
Klbebda
Klebda
Lebda
Lebda
Lebda
Lebda
Lebda
but no pop
Belfour
I believe I still have that exact Belfour card, also a .910 save % lead the league, insanity.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions
The Paul Maurice Leafs rolled like it was the pre-trap days.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
So, Matt Greene has been lost for at least 3 months due to shoulder surgery. That means LA has a defensive group of Doughty, Johnson, Scuderi, and ……………
but no pop
KABERLE!!!
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
LA
My only beef with LA is they are all talk when it comes to trades. They will not give us ANYTHING that we want, no top 6 forwards, no top prospects, no 1st round picks.
They always seem to be “interested” in acquiring players, but when push comes to shove, they rarely seem to give up what it takes to acquire them.
Even Kovalchuk, I mean they were $20M off in negotiations… that’s not a small amount.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
In other words, they are smart and never overpay.
I really admire Lombardi as a GM. There will come a team when he’ll need to make a bold move to go over the top, and we’ll see if he has it in him—but I think he’s very savvy not to do that when you’re building a foundation.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
In terms of “team management” they are great.
However, they drafted their best players and refuse to give them up. I don’t know if they can rely on their own draft picks forever if they want to be legit contendors. He must not think they’re ready to go over the top yet.
Just my $0.02.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m guessing he thinks 2011/12 is their real target, by which time Doughty, Johnson, Simmonds and Brown should all be close to or in their primes, and B. Schenn will probably be starting to flourish. Will be interesting to see.
This does not suggest to me that they will trade for Kaberle.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I wish Burke
had their type of patience. “Oh we’ll just wait a few more seasons until we’re good”.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Of note: LA has been waiting a few seasons for the past 20 years.
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Exactly, lots of teams have.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Since 92-93 the Kings have missed the playoffs 11 times and won 1 playoff series.
Since 92-93 the Leafs have missed the playoffs 7 times and won 9 playoff series.
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Since the dawn of time the Kings have won 0 Stanley Cups
Since the dawn of time the Leafs have won 13.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Since 1967
it’s a draw.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Just saying that LA seems to be perpetually on the cusp of being a good team. They’re a lot like the Islanders in that their GM never makes that final push and despite having a good young core they never end up with the elite talent they need.
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Doughty could be a game changer there. I think he’s the next Lidstrom/Bourque.
Not that even that level of talent guarantees a Cup, but with Johnson, Schenn, Simmonds, Kopitar etc. they only need one or two moves.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with both of you.
But I also think that Koptiar played way over his head last year, and that they still need a top flight winger to play with him.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Schenn?
I actually don’t even know if he’s a C or a W. But he toyed with the WHL this year.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
kopitar is the real deal.
not the same way as “the real deal” james neal.
but he’s really uckfing good. if you dont watch many kings games, i suggest you start.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 30, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s also the new Darth Visor now that Ovechkin’s is less tinted now.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I’m trying to decide which Western Conference team to follow this year, I have narrowed to down to the Kings or the Blues.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I prefer the kings announcer to the blues announcer, though they are both fairly good.
This is how i choose my western conference teams, at least.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Yea we’ll see, Kings games are usually on at not EST hours.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't hate the Blues
Exception: Cam Jannsen
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
i’d venture to say i’ve watched more kings games than most people on this site the past 3 years.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
really?
and you still think kopitar played over his head?
i see him as at least a ppg guy right now. and more when there’s a better supporting cast around him.
the one reason i might understand your statement is the terrible funk he went into when ryan smyth went down. he was at 40pts in 30 games or something, leading the league by quite a bit.. then went silent.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
I think he’s a solid number 1 center.
BUT will he put up numbers like Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin again?
no, I do not think so.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
IMO, i think he is almost exactly a malkin jr
malkin can flirt with 110-120, but might usually sit around 85-95.
kopitar can flirt with 100, but might usually sit around 75-85
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
right, so he’s not malkin, a step below, that’s what I was saying.
at the outset of the season he was keeping pace with those guys.
I don’t see him doing it again, he’ll be a step below.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
apparently he just came out of nowhere. I remember some announcers talking in his breakout season that the kings barely even had him in their media packet to start the year (which have full page spreads on all the better players). Nobody was expecting him to do good things apparently.
ya, 19 year olds rarely come out of nowhere to be the top threat on a team.
from his first few games, you could already see his poise, patience, and vision with the puck. even still he’s just 22 now and will probably fill out some more which is a little scary.
he could be the alternate universe “what if?” datsyuk, had dats not played for the wings & bowman and become so committed to defence & two-way play…
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 30, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saying that LA seems to be perpetually on the cusp of being a good team. They’re a lot like the Islanders in that their GM never makes that final push and despite having a good young core they never end up with the elite talent they need.
Mmmph, I wouldn’t say that. Before Lombardi, they had no real long term plan at all. Just make a big splash in free agency and sign guys that never seemed to work out, or trade away the young’uns and see them thrive elsewhere.
On the original plan, last year wasn’t supposed to be our year. This year won’t be our year. I’m fine wtth that. He threw more money at Hossa than Hossa took with the Blackhawks (which was right of Hossa, in the event). He was willing to try to get Kovalchuk to stop on the gas pedal…but only to a point.
We never had the 1-2 draft punch of Crosby-Malkin or Kane-Toews, so we have to go about a rebuild a bit differently. As in slooowly.
In Dinglebarn We Trust
This.
LA has been one of the worst teams of the last 20 years. And they’re bottom 5 since the lockout in terms of regular season pt%.
Lombardi’s only been around since 2006. The only players of note that he drafted were Doughty and Schenn (obvious choices at #2 and #5 in strong draft years) and Wayne Simmonds (3rd round). He’s made a couple of OK trades I guess, but I don’t think nearly as high of him as some people do.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I guess I just admire his refusal to give in to the braying masses and make a big splash on the UFA market when his team really wasn’t ready to do anything yet.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
they’ve made at least the second round every year since the lockout except 08-09 when they lost to the defending cup champs in the first.
The sharks are a good team, and were built well by Lombardi.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
They got the chokers reference because they finished first in a division that was almost as bad as the southeast from 2005-2008 (LAK and PHX in the same division! hahaha!) This, of course, greatly inflated their percieved skill level.
Now that they’re still winning and their division isn’t a laughingstock, they’re making it much farther (except for those pesky ducks in 2009, but they really weren’t an 8th seed caliber team…)
Of course, now what division you are in really doesn’t matter anymore in terms of how many points you get each season.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
He doesn’t?
I mean, I’d say that the GMs without patience are the ones who go out and get vetereans, expecting them to plug the wholes…Kessel, Versteeg, Kulemin, Bozak…they’re all about 3 years from “physical prime.” To me, that screams “We’ll be good in a few more seasons.”
by Bower Power on Jul 30, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
True but
Burke has said many many times
“I’m not interested in a long rebuild, we want to be competitive now”
And, without getting into the whole Kessel debate again, trading away 2 1st round picks does scream patience.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
but what can you wait for?
there are no ovechkins, crosbys or malkins coming down the pipeline.
you can get guys like kane & stamkos (who can have immediate impact), but at the same time you can get erik johnson or mark-andre fleury (who will take 4 years to be someone). and still, none of these guys are franchise-win-you-a-cup-by-themselves kinds of players… they still need a boatload of talent surrounding them. which, again, is not guaranteed when picking high (kari lethonen? kyle turris?)
how long can you wait for an 18 year old to eventually lead you to glory? even that kid will take a few years (or a keith + kane + marian hossa AND a #7 seed in the finals) to win you the cup
by that time burke would have been here more than 8 or 9 years, which means he would have probably been fired for someone else to do the job – which usually means scrapping the old GMs team and starting again “their way”.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m high on Turris this year, I think he’ll be big for the Coyotes.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
I was hoping they give up on him and we can trade for him.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
phoenix can’t afford to trade good prospects.
they need the ELC’s.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
when they still had the logjam of turris, mueller, hanzal, tikhonov, boedker, i was hoping the leafs could peel one of them away.
but the wolski-mueller trade (and subsequent wolski $3.6m signing) suggests that they are more likely to keep their young pups for the exact ELC reason yuo’ve stated.
oh well, maybe we can start a rumor that turris is SHIT, so burkie can grab him for peanuts and become TEH SHIT for the leafs.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
fun fact
he was the No 2 scorer in the BCHL in his draft year. No 1? Tyler Bozak. Giggidy.
funner fact: Bozak’s linemate in his insane BCHL season was Jamie Benn
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damn you burke! get nieuwendyk drunk and tamper them stars!!!
we want neal or eriksson or benn!
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 30, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely, but look at a team like Chicago, they recognized that their window was small and made come risky/stupid moves that paid off and resulted in a cup. Like you acknowledged at some point you have to make that bold move, I don’t know it he has it in him.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Chicago model
is likely not the envy of the league.
The All-or-nothing was super risky, and thank God for them that it paid off.
Can you imagine this summer without that cup? It would been a contendor for one of the biggest disasters in hockey management history.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously. Because Detriot and New Jersey have never made a bold move in their life and they’ve won a good number of stanley cups… (well, lou tried to cheat again, but apparently surpassed his cheating quota)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I wouldn’t say that they didn’t make bold moves.
Detroit traded Andres Eriksson and two 1st round picks for Chelios in 1999. And they traded Keith Primeau, Paul Coffey, and a 1st for Shanahan in 1996. Those are pretty bold.
New Jersey traded away Bill Guerin for Jason Arnott in 1998. And made some other moves that helped them win their second Cup.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Yeah, my understanding from occasionally perusing Japers is that this is their biggest concern with GMGM—will he pull the trigger when the time comes? Same question for Lombardi.
That’s something I never worry about with Burke. He might arguably be too trigger happy, too early, but he’s not afraid to make bold moves.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the Caps have players that he should be selling high right now, like Semin and Fleischmann. Trade those two for a goalie and defenseman, and they become a much better team.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
like kovalchuk?
never really understood why LA was so hell-bent on getting him (beyond the fact taht 40G scorers will help ANYONE) but Lombardi clearly stuck to his guns so maybe he doesn’t
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If they get him now while they’re good players are still on ELCs (Doughty, Johnson, Simmonds) or cheap contracts (Quick, Bernier) then they could have had more talent than the salary cap would “normally allow” and make a run at the cup. Basically what Chicago just did. Kovalchuk would have been their Hossa.
On that note, they should trade for Hossa.
Also of note, Alyn McCauley is still on their cap due to a buyout. I did not know that. Also interesting because me and PPP talked to him last year and he’s a scout for the Kings now.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
you may be on to something...
…trading for hossa will (if the past is any indication) guarantee them a place in the stanley cup finals…
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
yes its almost like they have a good GM
what a copout.
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Heh
Just saying all these LA rumours when in fact they are not a good trading partner.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
disagree
they ARE a good trading partner in that they have something we want, and we have something they want. But neither GM is desperate enough to overpay. C’est la vie.
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Pff that's only a good trading partner in a hypothetical world.
I guess I have a different definition of good trading partner – one where it’s both great in terms of needs and possible in terms of execution.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
definition: good trading partner
see: darryl sutter, JFJ
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Gum
I found a vending machine at the SkyDome with cards like that too. I ate the gum. It turned to dust in my mouth.
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What exactly would super gum powers be? The ability to blow big bubbles? Super smelling breath? Impervious to aggressive flossing?
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all of this and the ability to reform when introduced with water. So like, if he’s shot with a bullet, he just rubs water on himself and massages a little bit… BLAMMO all fixed.
"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."
Yea but the powers would wear off relatively fast.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought about eating it just to say that I did, but it had these dark brown patches all over it and I figured that it would give me ebola if I put the gum in my mouth.
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You should still try it, but do it at the emergency room
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jul 30, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey I said do it at the emergency room I wouldn’t want SF to die, I SHOWED CONCERN
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jul 30, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Ian White
Former potential Leaf Captain Ian White has signed a one-year deal with Calgary, avoiding Arbitration.
White got close to league minimum and his moustache got $2.3M – total compensation is $2.99M/1 year
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He’s got a shitty agent if he couldn’t get that extra 5 dollars.
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Flames sure seem to like them ex-Leafers
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jul 30, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha at
$2,999,995
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Too funny
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=328969
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Flames now $2.35MM over the cap with a full roster. So they need to dump someone to be replaced with a near minimum salary, so they need to lose someone with a salary of around $3MM without a NTC… hmm… Nik Hagman anyone?
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
So….uh…….wanna trade for Nik Hagman? There’s your 1st line left winger right there and it’s a great excuse to post pictures of his smoking hot wife again.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
boo, i wanted white back..
/sulk
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by Future_considerations on Jul 30, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too
Lots of teams were waiting on that arb hearing methinks.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It's funny though
that the $3M pricetag was predicted as early as January (or earlier?)
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sending his agent a royalty request on Monday
Resident Capologist
by clrkaitken on Jul 30, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gunarsson is White, only younger and taller but with less mustachey goodness.
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im not sold on Gunnarson yet…
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by Future_considerations on Jul 30, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t a first liner the last time he was here.
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So…….2nd liner?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
:( Just looking for a good return on investment. Could probably poach him away for a 4th round pick right now.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I actually wasn’t advocating trading him, just thought it funny that he’s the most obviously moveable piece on that team that gets them under the cap. And we’ve been talking for months about the need for another top 6 winger.
But yeah, I’d rather go with kids than bring back Nik. Dude is 30 and for all his gifts has never topped 44 points.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope. I would love such an occurence. I just don’t think it’ll happen because we cannot ice our bruising forwards alot on account of the whole “no skill” thing.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
if it means that we need to have a douche like shane corson, then no thank you.
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
He was a douche but man could he shut down Yashin.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
he was also good at sleeping with teammates’ wives…
also, it’s funny to think of a time when yashin needed to be shutdown…
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Blake Wheeler: signed
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NaokoFunayama
Bruins sign Blake Wheeler to one-year contract.
8 minutes ago via web
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
actually i posted that at the top wheels 2.2
Jembries
by oneKesselcul on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what he received in Arbitration
but Bruins hadn’t accepted it until this morning.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Blake Wheeler: still crummy.
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Is that why half the people on here were drooling at the prospect of picking him up as a UFA?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
For $2.2M
I’d take him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He’d go for more than that as a UFA.
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We’ll never know.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s a chance we could find out next year.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Not same comparison though
Player value will change in a season.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Boston joins the illustrious group of teams
in Cap hell.
Chicago, New Jersey, Calgary and Vancouver say what up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Joins? We live here, homie.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jul 30, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya but you weren’t a $1 over the cap until now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You know, if Islanders were willing to spend to the cap they could take on a ton of good salary dumps right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect LA, TBL and WSH to clean up.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
DamoSpin
Stajan, White now have combined cap hit of $6.5 m, same as Phaneuf.
"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."
Why is this funny or insightful?
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Phaneuf 81GP 12G 20A 32Pts +1 $6.5M
White 83GP 13G 25A 38Pts +8 $3M
Though Phaneuf’s a year younger.
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Much as I like him I’ve never seen White as more than a 20-22mpg, 3-4 guy. Phaneuf’s a legit #1.
Maybe White will just build on next year but I think Phaneuf is the better bet.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I just don’t understand the HAW HAW STAJAN thing.
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I agree with you there. I think he’s paid fairly. He just didn’t fit with where our team is.
I think nhlcheapshot said it best below re. how Sutter didn’t even accomplish his supposed goal of shedding salary.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s more of a HAW HAW SUTTER thing, which I’m always down with.
by Bower Power on Jul 30, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
because many believed the Phaneuf trade was trying to unload salary, when it in fact ended up costing them more (9.5M for White, Stajan, Hagman vs 7.25 Phaneuf, Sjostrom)
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus they’re now probably going to have to give away Hagman (or someone like him).
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, if you look beyond 09/10 that’s a massive win for the Leafs. For the same money I’ll take the potential superstar for two second tier guys every day of the week.
And the rest of the deal is Sjostrom ($750K) and Aulie (what, $575K?) for Hagman ($3MM). Another massive win in terms of cap efficiency.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what his fucking problem is. He says stuff that you would expect from some mouth breather who just repeats any stupid cliche that gets circulated as long as it is anti-Leafs…
I thought this guy covered tennis hockey for a living?
How does he still have a job?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually took that comment as mocking Sutter, not the Leafs.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
With his track record, I would probably question that
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
True enough, but he defended the Kessel deal when made. Can’t remember what he said re. Phaneuf deal.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t read anything he writes unless someone posts it here.
I also avoid ‘The Reporters’ like the plague.
If it was just Dave Hodge making wry comments for 30 minutes, I would watch it before having to endure Cox (and to a lesser extent, Simmonds.)
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The Reporters
…to me is a synonym for “Go back to sleep, and wake up in 60 minutes when Sunday NFL Countdown comes on” ;)
Truculence...starting 10/1/09
Except you know, Stajan and White are two players and Phaneuf is only one.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Meh. I’ll take quality over quantity anytime.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Same here.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
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So are Phaneuf and Sjoey.
I think this is just a pot shot at yet another evaluation of the Phaneuf deal. If people are saying Calgary made the move just to clear cap, they’re not clearing much cap because of this deal.
by Bower Power on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya you know me!
I’m very down. Among other cards in my collection include Mario Lemieux, Patrick Roy and Wendel Clark rookie cards. I have a Gretzky third- year I think. They are all in a box in storage. I sometimes think of selling them, but I figure I owe it to my future kids to hold on to them. My dad tells me about the cards he burned playing with his army toys and in the spokes of his bike and it makes me shudder.
Also: Topps=cheap American rip off (but baseball were worth more in Topps)
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
OPC was licensing the Topps designs and photography. For years, Topps hockey was actually printed in Canada by OPC.
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Back in the day, I used to do these “”http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/tags/collector%27s-corner" target="new">collectors corner" bits. Anyone want them back?
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OK, that failed mightily
Link again?
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Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
I do like that,
(still have all my cards, and old Beckett Hockey in storage)
"The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness"
by Maniel Darois on Jul 30, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
As an overlord, or more accurately a contributing editor, and thereby your “boss” in this loose amalgamation of bloggers:
I demand you bring this series back.
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So long as at least one, and probably two, can be about OPC baseball.
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Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
bays ball?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it
safe to assume the teams in Salary cap trouble – Chicago, New Jersey, Calgary and Vancouver, now Boston… – are not the teams making offers on Kaberle?
Unless they’re willing to dump someone or multiple roster players, who they feel are overpaid?
BS
Nothing is safe to assume
when your dealing with Burke-diddy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle for Elias straight up? Top 6 winger, could play C? Veteran, not sure if Burke wants that ? Beaten to death lets stop talking about Kaberle right now?
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe, no, no and YES
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
no Elias
nooooooooooooooooooo Elias
NO ELIAS
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
no, no , nope, hell no, hellll no, no, no, i refuse to-, no , hell no
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
isn’t Elias like.. 4 thousand years old?
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
and he has a cap hit of a billion dollars
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Elias – 6 million cap hit, 3 years left. 34 years old
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
..
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I also dont think Lou would trade him straight up for Kaberle, though it would help his cap circumstance.
From what I read here Zubrus, someone else, and someone else maybe Langenbrunner
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
lou would do that move so fast his skin would melt off and reveal him as the t-100 hockey terminator he is
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Rules like that have never stopped Lou before. He could get that NMC removed if he felt like it.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Some big dude names Jacques from Saint-Leonard
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the one…he doesn’t have a NTC/NMC Langenbrunner’s got one. Zubrus doesn’t …he’s gonna play in the A this year
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
NJ
is in a pickle salary-wise.
I don’t think many teams want to take on the salaries of the players NJ is willing to give up (or can give up without an NTC)
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Call Dale Tallon, he’s fond of paying for the privilege of taking terrible contracts of cap-strapped teams.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
uhgg
I was sucked into reading some comments on the MLHS Armdog piece.
wow I feel dumber.
"The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness"
Surgeon General’s Warning: Taking MLSE comments seriously is known to be hazardous to your health.
Just say NO to MLSE Comments.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Totally not a fraudian slip.
Surgeon General’s Warning: Taking
MLSEMLHS comments seriously is known to be hazardous to your health. Just say NO toMLSEMLHS comments.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
haha
I didn’t even catch that
"The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness"
by Maniel Darois on Jul 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean seriously, it seems likely that we could get B.Schenn and Simmonds for Kabs and Grabbs
/eyes roll off the table
"The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness"
by Maniel Darois on Jul 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It's too late but
I wouldn’t of bothered meto see:
Kaberle’s contract extended, 3-4 years – slap the Captaincy on him. Make Dion an Assistant (good cop, bad cop), trade one of Beauch or Komi, make the other an assistant.
BS
That ship has sailed. There’s no way Burke says “Kabby’s now the captain” three weeks after giving it to Dion.
by Bower Power on Jul 30, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Its too late but
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
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Shut up, I'm busy ignoring your title
Oh, I see.
by Bower Power on Jul 30, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
eh uh…i don’t think they’ll take the captaincy away from phaneuf after giving it to him a month ago.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
“It’s too late but”
“I wouldn’t of bothered me to see”
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
OPC made the best cards
What I loved about them compared to Topps was the white card stock. It made the photos and graphics stand out compared to the gray card stock Topps used.
OPC also printed their cards later than Topps so they included updates on the front that were missing from the Topps cards.
Yes
Only knock against their card stock was that it was a touch thinner and didn’t stand up as well.
That and they couldn’t cut cards cleanly if their lives depended on it. OPC was never so much cut apart as torn apart.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
OPC for value
..but UD for the photography, and uniquness.
"The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness"
Only in the first couple of years, though. UD hasn’t made a card in years that really is a standout. You used to get these killer goalie shots, in particular. Never anymore.
OPC just couldn’t adjust fast enough and got caught as a low-to-midmarket product when the sales were either low-end or high-end. They became Oldsmobile. Never found a new niche and it killed them.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
Goes to show how long I’ve been out of touch with collecting, all Iremember were the good UD cards. Like Bure on rollerblades, the Bloodlines set especially the one with all the Sutters on one card. and Canada Cup coverage.
"The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness"
by Maniel Darois on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Upper Deck for years has been about technical proficiency. The cards are well-printed and cut perfectly. There’s no real “there” there, though. The cards they’ve produced since the lockout are desirable because of who is on them (and because of the artificial scarcity), not because of anything innate to their product.
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Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
OPC came out with a premium series that was close to UD quality, but it did not last long. I have a good number from that series, including Jagr rookie. But ya, when UD came in and started doing jersey cards and stuff, I lost interest. I liked when there was one set, and you had to try to get them all. The Lemieux rookie year is a great set. Probably had the full set a couple times over, but decided it would be a good idea to repackage them and sell them at school. Good idea until the teacher shut us down. Ha, I was a regular Great Brain! Oh boy, what a nostalgic day…
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 30, 2010 12:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate artificial scarcity. Sometimes there were natural short prints which were just a factor of how the sheets were laid out. Short-printing the desirable cards to drive value is really cynical.
That set was OPC premier. It was actually the first case where people twigged that something with a limited print run would suddenly become really desirable. For whatever reason, OPC didn’t make a lot of it and boxes suddenly went from $20 to $100. The next year, OPC was so excited about the success of Premier that they printed it by the ton. Didn’t work quite the same way.
I don’t think there was a third season of it.
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Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
So the Islanders just waived Bredan Witt
Why would you waive a guy making $3M when you’re not even at the salary cap floor?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
He makes over $2.5MM
Per team policy, they can’t pay any player* but Mark Streit over $2.5MM**.
- Yashin’s of course their payroll leader but he doesn’t actually play for them.
**This assumes DiPietro’s paid by the insurance company and Tavares doesn’t make all his bonuses.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This also assumes they plan to buy out Witt if no one claims him.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Then they only have to pay him 2 million! and they wouldn’t even have to make the team better!
Its pretty clear the islanders are trying to hit the floor paying as little actual money as possible. And definatly not by actually paying your players. That’s just no good.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
But why buy him out? They’ve got crazy cap space and aren’t going to spend to the ceiling, so why buy him out and have him on the salary for two years when they could just have him play in Bridgeport for $3M and be completely gone?
Granted Witt was their 9th defenseman, but when you need to reach the salary floor…… It just doesn’t make any sense.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
he was previously in the minors, so buying him out actually gives them MORE cap space.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Maybe they were hoping someone would claim him. Now they can bring him up on re-entry waivers and hope someone claims him and they only have to pay $1.5MM.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Claiming Brendan Witt, that’s funny.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Yeah, maybe it’s nothing more complicated than the fact he’s not good enough to crack their top 7.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
he is, however, the bane of SUV’s everywhere
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear Bridgeport has a major SUV problem.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
/cue Brian Burke claiming another d-man joke
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
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Well there you have it
Mirtle – Witt is headed for a buyout
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Jeez
How the hell are they going to hit the cap floor
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff Finger + Kaberle for Tavares + Okaposo
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
seems fair.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Doug Weight’s contract will have a 10,000,000 bonus if he wins the Richard next year.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
That brings up an interesting question; can a team assign potential bonuses like the one you mentioned if they want to reach the cap floor without having to spend the money to get there? Or is that somehow cap circumvention?
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
it isn’t, strangely. I suspect if the NHLPA weren’t too busy firing everybody and power-grabbing they might complain… but that’s not going to happen.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Really?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That particular bonus might not effect cap hit (or be legal), but yes, if you get a 35+ player on a 1 year deal, you can put fairly silly amounts of performance bonuses on their contract.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
Does it only apply to 35+?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. You can’t have bonuses except for 35+ one year deals. I think the ELCs and long-term injury exception have limits on bonus amounts.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I thought 35+ bonuses might be covered by exhibit 5 of the CBA, but they’re not because the sabres give out 100k playoff bonuses to 35+ contracts and that’s not there, so there’s really no limit at all.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
The bonuses can only be so silly
If I recall, the base salary for a one year over-35 contract becomes the limit of the amount of silliness.
So Doug Weight can sign a $10M contract that is guaranteed a minimum of $5M, with another $5M maximum of bonuses.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i figured there was something like that, but i couldn’t find it anywhere.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
I also cannot find the literature
But I do remeber reading it somewhere two years ago, when the Habs signed Brisebois to a $1.4M cap hit, comprised of $700k+$700k in bonuses.
Meh, maybe it was all just a dream.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Buyout caphit
2010-11: $1.333M
2011-12: $0.833M
The cap floor is $40.8M, and currently the Islanders sit at $38,986,567. They don’t reach the floor with Witt’s buyout. They’ll have to bring in another player or move up a forward or two to the big club.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
The floor should have risen to $43.4, if I’m not mistaken.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You sir are correct. I just glanced at the number. So yeah they’re currently a little over $3M below the floor with 12 forwards, 8 defensemen, and 2 goalies.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
And Witt and Yashin’s buyouts.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Will be easy enough to pick that up from one of the half dozen teams over the cap.
Hell, maybe they’ll take some boat anchor like Rolston or Huet if they can also get a first out of it.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If they take Huet along with a 1st
Chicago should kiss them right on the mouth.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Rolston’s arguably a worst contract. At least Huet’s been decent in the recent past.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
and Rolston wouldn’t even have to move states
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
It’d just take him 4 hours to get to the Colosseum from Jersey though. It’s clear on the other side of NYC and way out in the middle of nowhere Long Island.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
All the rich people in NYC (celebrities, business men, athletes, etc…) live in Bergen County, NJ which is North of the city up the Hudson.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Can only get there via car or the Metro North Lines that run on that side of the Hudson.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
I live just south of their, ill pick you guys up from Newark and drive you out. They alone make Bergen County the most expensive county in the country to live in.
by L510 on Jul 30, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Here's his old house
It used to be in Stillwater, MN.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
Just in case anyone was looking for something to do while in Jersey.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Moot point
Why the hell would Rolston waive his NTC. He should Kaberle the shit out of that clause, NJ is a muthafuckin contender.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
True but
Even after Kovalchuk’s deal, Chicago is going to have a tough time icing an NHL team even with waiving Huet.
That being said, if Kovy’s cap hit rises after the NHLPA grievance, that could change.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
They could use some more goalies.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Garth Snow is that ambitious or clever though? They had tons of cap space last year and didn’t use it at all.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Because he doesn’t feel like spending actual money, i assume the only cap space he’d use would be cap space that doesn’t correspond to actual money.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
they dont' care about cap space
they care about cash.
buying a player out = less cash than playing out the string.
The isles are like $20M away from the cap, or something ridiculous. They have no intention of going near it, so its purely a financial move.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
A $4.25M CZECH DEFENCEMAN THATS WHY
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
AND
Finger!
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalchuck?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven't you seen every other team's site that are in salary trouble?
NYI is going to take on all of the bad salaries, including Jeff Finger.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Just thought this was interesting
According to nhlnumbers.com the Leafs are the youngest team.
Average age 26.533
Second youngest is Chicago – 26.542
Two oldest teams (shocker) Detroit 31.282 and the Devils 30.430. They are also the only teams with an average age over 30.
The rest are as follows:
Calgary
Phoenix
Ottawa
Buffalo
Boston
Philly
Dallas
Anaheim
NYR
San Jose
Montreal
Florida
Nashville
Atlanta
Washington
Vancouver
Pittsburgh
Tampa
Minnesota
NYI
Colombus
Carolina
LA
Edmonton
St. Louis
Colorado
I bet we still get some trolls who spout off about having old players.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
I think we were the youngest team last year too
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
not re-signing Primeau and Exelby helped as well.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
who’s the oldest player on our roster?
Kaberle?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
I think Giguere?
let me check
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, Giguere
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
Giguere(33) is older.
Only other fogies include Beauchemin(30), Kaberle(32) and Finger(30)
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Giguere at 33
Kaberle at 32
Finger and Beauchemin at 30
All others under 30.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
Jeez
If we trade Kaberle for ANYONE younger, and bury Finger that number is going to continue to plummet.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
23rd oldest last year – not quite one full year older than Chicago’s average.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Calgary and Ottawa’s positions near the top of this list—even though both are fringe playoff teams at best—are why I am convinced they need to blow things up and start over, and am gleeful they are not doing so.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i actually feel sorry for calgary. i bet they blow it up when they’re 10 points out at the trade deadline.
as for ottawa, i hope they think more about their finals run of a few years ago and mortgage the future to get back there.
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Sutter is smart enough to blow the team up at this year’s deadline. And even if he is, I’m not sure he’s sane enough to bring the right prospects in. I mean, this man traded Phaneuf without shopping around. Iginla will likely retire a Flame.
i think you could get high picks and prospects for iginla and kipper with your eyes closed.
…but you’re right, we are talking about sutter…
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Send Iggy to Pitt for j. staal + Kunitz (or another player to make the cap #s work).
Crosby needs a godamn linemate.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Iginla on the Pens would be terrifying. But yes, they need to burn that mother-cusser to the ground.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Cgy needs to get younger, Pitt needs a legit top winger.
I’d say it works.
Never happen though.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i almost think they’d trade malkin before staal
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If push came to shove, that’s the move I’d make. Malkin could bring back a king’s ransom from the right team.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
yeah, but Malkin is in that funny zone of almost “too” valuble
I mean you’d have to give up a HELL of a lot to get him, probably enough to cripple any team now (players) or in the future (picks, prospects)
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i pitched that exact trade
a few months ago..
and you all said i was mad! MAD!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
What trade? Malkin for Iginla? That would never happen.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
not malkin for iginla, but i think they’d rather trade malkin in general over staal.
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I don’t think they’d rather trade Malkin, they would prefer the return he would bring over Staal.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It works, but the only hesitation I’d have is that Iginla doesn’t have that many years left, Pitts would need a draft pick or something else coming back.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
meh, i’d definitely expect him to play until he’s, say, 44 years-old and that he should sign a contract accordingly.
…
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's what I love about Ottawa
Of their top 5 scorers from last year:
- two are 37
- one wants out of town
- one is 30 and has only exceeded 50 points once in his career
- one (the only one under 27) has had multiple knee surgeries.
Unless Foligno and Regin turn into more than second line types that team needs to get younger, pronto.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Regin looked legit in the playoffs, it made me angry.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Just signed for two years at an even million
makes me happy
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It should.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s a good deal for someone who is clearly at least 3rd line material and perhaps 2nd.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It was only one series. Dude is 24 already with a career high of 29 points. He’s not replacing Alfie long-term.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Bozak is 24 already
with a career high of 27 points. Yes only 37 games, but still.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Regin like numbers. Like 7 more points last year.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jul 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
27 in 37 is a huge difference from 27 over a full season.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course not, but he could be top 6 material.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but they need top 3 material to replace Alfie. They have no one who projects there.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's what I love about those players
- One of those 37 year-olds has scored more 5v5 points than anyone since the lockout; 2nd only to Thornton over the last decade in overall points
- The other will benefit greatly on the RW half wall now that another old timer will draw defenders to the LD point
- Spezza does not want out of town
- The 30 year old in question just scored those 50+ points this season, plus ranks among the top 5 in the league as a two-way 2nd-line center
- Spezza was 27 a month ago, so I’d wager he has a few more years left in him
Your overall point is taken. No need for hyperbole.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Point being none of those guys are going to get better. They will almost certainly get worse. And to me Foligno + Regin = Stajan + Poni. Solid 2nd liners but not franchise centrepieces to replace Sundin/Alfie.
I just see the Sens being almost exactly where the Leafs were post-lockout. I wish the Leafs had blown things up earlier, and think the Sens should be doing just that.
I just don’t see if happening for much the same reasons Toronto didn’t. And as a Leafs fan that makes me happy.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Sad but true
Even youngish Spezza can’t reasonably be expected to improve on his numbers. We here can only hope he maintains for another 8 years.
To hope that his numbers spike after age 27 (like Fisher and Alfie) would be foolhardy.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, those guys’ post-27 performance has been remarkable to date. Hell Sundin had probably one of his top 3 seasons ever his last year with the Leafs. But it’s not something you can count on.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sundin is just a freak
Also, Teemu
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss Sundin – the Sundin that was with the Leafs, not the post Leaf Sundin who ended up going to Vancouver.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus think of the King’s ransom you could get for dealing even just three out of Alfie, Kovalev, Fisher, Phillips and Kuba. Any of those guys would be extremely valuable to a legitimate contender in “win now” mode.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We've been waiting for the Kaberle glove to drop
Hoping that he will set the market for Kuba to be traded. Maybe we should be out there setting the price for Kabby in stead.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I worry about how few contenders have the cap space for Kabs. This is like musical chairs… there just aren’t enough spots for high salary guys to land.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
It makes Marty Turco’s agent’s job look easy.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree. I can understand the rational from a Sens fan perspective, as I’ve been there, we all have. But at the same time most people over-project the future based on past performance especially with aging players. The best analogy I can think of is when Fletcher traded Clark. We had just made back to back trips to the conference finals and he traded our Captain and most popular player. It was obviously the right move, and should be an example to teams like Ottawa and Calgary. I just don’t see something like that happening now.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, we all talk about the Gilmour trade but swapping, essentially, Clark for Sundin was also a gargantuan heist.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It really was. When you put it in context it was such a gutsy move by Fletcher. Could you imagine the Avalanche with Sundin and Sakic as their top-two centers?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They also had Nolan, and Forsberg arrived the next year.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, adding Nolan and Sundin to that team would have been insane, they wouldn’t have needed Roy.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically traded Sundin for Claude Lemieux (who was valuable, but come on) and still won multiple Cups.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The point being, we traded arguably one of the most popular Leafs of the last 30 years after two consecutive trips to the conference finals. Ottawa and Calgary have either missed the playoffs or lost in the first or second round for the last 4 years and are holding onto thier aging players.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, big props to Uncle Cliffie v. 1.0.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yes. version 2.0 was filled with 4yr-$3.5million-per bugs….
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
the trade up for Schenn was pretty sweet, also the Hagman signing was a steal
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
So much this.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Something else from Nhlnumbers
% of money spent on forwards
Washington leads with 73.7, Dallas at 70.1
The two lowest are NYI at 42.5 and Toronto with 37.1
Defencemen – Toronto the highest at 47.8 and Atlanta(really?) is second with 43.3
Lowest are Buffalo with 22.1 and Dallas with 20.8
Goaltenders – Highest NYI at 18.7 and Carolina at 14.6 (Toronto is 7th at 12.6 – Giggy)
Lowest are Washington with 2.9 and Montreal with 1.8 – this obviously will go up when they sign Price.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
if we end up trading a certain defenseman for a forward/picks/prospects than that will change fairly significantly.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems strange that Dallas is that high on the forward %, but I guess Brad Richards’ hit takes up a good chunk.
On the Forecheck: preaching the Predators' gospel to the unwashed masses.
by Chris Burton on Jul 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
A few surprises on that average age list
- Carolina is now 7th-youngest? (I guess dropping Brind’Amour, Whitney, Legace, and Pothier will do that to a team)
- Colorado should jump up as soon as they add some veterans to reach the cap floor
- Hasn’t Bettman been telling me how young and exciting the Yotes are now? (Gettin’ pretty close to the average age of Arizona residents, if you ask me)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
El Oh Freaking El
The Lightning have signed center Dominic Moore. 2-yr deal.
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
They must know
about his 2nd round pick trading abilities.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
they’ll have 9 people signed on their roster next summer if they don’t sign any more deals longer than 1-year.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait until we see the price. I suspect the LOL will be directed at Moore for turning down whatever Burke offered him two years ago. He could be a nice 3C for them at $1MM or less.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez Moore, get around much?
Moore has played in 374 career NHL games with the New York Rangers, Pittsburgh Penguins, Minnesota Wild, Toronto Maple Leafs, Buffalo Sabres, Florida Panthers and Montreal Canadiens.
It’s like he’s trying to play for every team at least once.
Also, TSN really needs a better headline than “Lightning Strikes” every time Tampa does something.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
How about “So?”
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was going to quote that but it hasn’t approached epic levels yet.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
A few more deadlines
and it will be.
Also only 29 years old.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
mike sillinger cackles from his fortress made of nhl jerseys
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 30, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Good move by Stevie Y again. Dominic Moore is a good third-line player. Tampa needs someone like that. 2nd round pick jokes aside, he gets around because he’s a reliable, but replaceable commodity. You know what you are getting, but he’s the kind of player you can replace with youth from within. So he fills a spot, does it well, and then moves on. He doesn’t deserve the criticism he gets here.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 30, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure
He gets criticism here because he thought he was more valuable than he was and tried to over charge the Leafs and wouldn’t take a reasonable deal.
Thanks to Buffalo for the second rounder though.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Except it was Burke who said he asked for too much. I’ve said this before, I heard second hand, from a reliable source (as in Moore told my source who told me—all three of us went to high school together), that he wanted to stay and was willing to sign for whatever, but Burke didn’t want him. I know that doesn’t meet the requirements for information here, but I’m goin to keep defending the guy because he was basically sent out of Toronto because his brother is in a lawsuit against Burke. I’m not saying he fits on our team now, or that he should have been kept around anyway, just that he is not a selfish person who overvalued himself. The Moore brothers are all pretty nice guys.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 8:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who knows… he made Blake not suck for a while, I guess there’s that.
The only ones who know the truth are those higher ups at MLSE, Moore and his agent.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 31, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is more likely to lie to the media? Burke or Moore? One of those guys has done that before… Just saying…
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I tend to believe that both lied to some extent.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 1, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh dear God
Bobby Ryan has a twitter account, @b_ryan9.
Here comes an aggressive Ryan to Toronto twitter campaign.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
I’m eagerly awaiting the campaign to begin.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
Oh man, over under on how long he puts up with it?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll bet
he immediately regrets it. He mentioned in an interview how he was sick of people forwarding him articles of the Bobby Ryan-to-Toronto rumours.
If he thought that was annoying, welcome to a whole new personal level of hell Bobby.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If he’s sick of them he should just sign a stupid contract already. Add in a NTC for good measure (No Toronto Clause)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Tyler Ennis: Freed from Portland!
He's got so much leverage right now
it’s rediculous. If his agent does get exactly what Bobby is asking for he’s an idiot.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Add in a NTC for good measure (No Toronto Clause)
Ah yes, also known as the RKC (Reverse Kaberle Clause)
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude follows Taylor Swift, Kenny Chesney and John Mayer. Do we still want him?
/music snobbery over
Wait, he follows Cam Janssen. That does it. Don’t want him.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with some of John Mayer’s music.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 30, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just kidding anyway, there’s nothing wrong with Taylor Swift or Kenny Chesney either. All three are a hell of a lot more popular than what I listen to. There’s no right or wrong in music tastes.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 30, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't they only have
like 48 or 72 hours after selecting an arbitrator to determine a ruling? I forget the rules.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure
In Lou We Trust and Jewels from the Crown will be all over it.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 30, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
@TheFourthPeriod: Ducks, Wisniewski agree to 1-year deal at $3.25 mill
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Whaaaa?
Durrrp?
Blarg?
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jul 30, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got this email from my mom; it’s something someone posted on the intranet bulletin board at her work:
Posted At: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:12 PM
Posted To: Bulletin Board
Conversation: Lost Leaf Hat
Subject: Lost Leaf Hat
Believe I may have dropped my Leaf hat in lot of 22 Division near pumps. If found please call and I’ll pick it up. And to answer your questions…no it’s not garbage…yes I am a fan…and yes ’67 was a long time ago…
Thanks,
your not a real leafs fan if you carelessly dump your leafs hat and then just carry on like nothing happenened
Truncated truclence
by Future_considerations on Jul 30, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
is your mom a cop?
isnt that the station near kipling or islington?
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 30, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone seeing any confirmation of the report that the Ducks traded Wisnewski to the Islanders?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
ah
mirtle
The Islanders have acquired James Wisniewski from the Ducks in exchange for a conditional third round pick in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
which is weird because they just signed him to a one year deal
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 30, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
So they pay Witt $2M to go play in traffic
Thereby making room for Wisniewski’s $3.25M at the top of their still crowded blueline.
The Avalanche need to learn from Snow just how to go about climbing up to the floor. If Colorado doesn’t act fast, they’ll have to settle for Burke flipping them the Finger. That, or they could always re-sign Tucker.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No, see, this makes little to no sense. Why would you buy someone out (effectively wasting money) only to replace them…with more money? I mean, it’s spending 5 mil to play one guy instead of two…
It makes perfect sense to me
Witt was already in the minors, costing Wang $3M in cash and not helping the big club reach the floor. He was sitting 9th on the depth chart and offered nothing in the way of depth.
Next week Witt will be bought out, saving Wang a million in cash (plus whatever time-value of having another million deferred a year). His one million dollar dead-cap hit helps the team this year (and likely again next year once Yashin’s hit drops) far more than any mentoring services he was providing in Bridgeport.
The Wiz acquisition is unrelated, but clearly is a plus on the ice and on the need to add salary, so I’d say Garth Snow is having himself a pretty good weekend so far. Throw in Moulson and he virtually solved all his problems in a week, and all it cost him was a 3rd round pick.
BTW, I wonder what that condition might be.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I just can’t believe that he couldn’t even get a seventh for Witt.
by Bower Power on Jul 30, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too, kinda
I mean, who is Colorado planning to use as their 7th defender? Witt seems right up their alley (see: Tucker, Raycroft, and to a lesser extent Hannan, Foote)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jul 30, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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