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by Karina on Jul 31, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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Since today is a long weekend up in Canada (WOOOO CIVIC HOLIDAY!) I'm gonna assume that the Canadians are away and this post will only be read by Americans. So here are some guns, fireworks, grits and bombs. And here are some links:
- Defensive Contribution
DoctorMyBrainHurts takes a look at trying to figure out the stats for defensive contribution. - Where Players Spend their Time in the Offensive Zone
Interestingly, on the heels of our discussion about where the Leafs shoot from, Behind the Net has created some graphics about where players shoot from (has this been linked already?) - Pat Burns is not ready to quit his battle yet
It's a Habs blog, but this blogger has a contact in the Burns family and gives us an update on his health. - The Intangibles of Jiggy
MLHS looks at the changes Burke has made in the front office, goaltending, and what Giguere really brings to the Leafs. - Report: Arbitrator picked in Kovalchuk contract dispute
Progress! - Islanders acquire James Wisniewski from Ducks for conditional pick
The interesting part about this trade is that Ducks' GM Bob Murray said he did it because he has something else he's working on (via official Ducks twitter). So... Bieksa or Kaberle? - World junior roster starting to take shape
Matt Sekeres at the Globe takes a look at Canada's World Jr roster, and there's not many returning players.
Late day edition: Due to all of the talk in the comments that we're going to get "nothing of value for Kaberle" because of the Wizniewski deal, everyone please read this article from the National Post. If we trade Kaberle, we're getting something good.
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I thought it was a holiday for just BC?
Either way God bless Canada, the United States and the Toronto Maple Leafs
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Jul 31, 2010 8:03 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nope
ALL OF CANADA WOOOOO!!!!!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jul 31, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Not in Quebec. We get June 24th so we don’t get this one.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But we don’t get Family Day either, so we’re still down one. Stupid Quebec. Why do I live here?
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
dont you get Bastille day or something?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No because Quebecois hate the French, too.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Family Day
Only exists in Ontario, Alberta, and Saskwatchewan… so you’re not alone with that one.
At least that’s what Wikipedia tells me.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
St John the baptist day, thats the one im thinking of
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That one
is the June 24th one he referred to.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yah, i just couldnt remember the name
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Quebec’s still part of Canada?
Huh.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 31, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s the Civic holiday for anyway?
What would we have to do to get Crosby on the Leafs...?
Wishful thinking never ends in Leaf Nation. For now, Go Leafs! (and Pens!)
To make sure we get at least 1 day off
in every month.
Of course provincial employees aren’t guaranteed to get it off.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh right
ok well… I get a day or two off in June, so I forget about these things.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle: 82 GP, 7-42-49, 23 ES points (0.28/gm), -16, 9.3 GVT. Among Leafs’ D, 6th corsi QoC, 5th corsi rel QoC, 3rd in ES TOI, last in SH TOI, 1st in PP TOI, 32 yrs old, $4.25MM
Wisniewski: 69 GP, 3-27-30, 18 ES points (0.26/gm), -5, 6.1 GVT. Among Ducks’ D, 1st corsi QoC, 2nd corsi rel QoC, 2nd in ES TOI, 2nd in SH TOI, 3rd in PP TOI, 26 yrs old, $3.25MM
Wisniewski is clearly better on every scale except points/GVT (which are highly correlated). He played harder minutes and more minutes in every situation but PP. He’s younger and cheaper, and their ES production is virtually identical. And yet Wis only returns a conditional 3rd? Does he actually suck in a way not revealed by the stats (I only see him vs. Leafs)? This does not make me optimistic about potentially trading Kaberle.
we’re not getting anything good (if anything at all) for kaberle and people should stop getting their hopes up
by KerryFraser on Jul 31, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
depends what you think “good” is
if it is Bobby ryan, than no
if it is a over paid, but good top 6 winger (example Ryan Malone) and a mid range first, sure
this “Kaberle is going to fetch is shit” is just as irritating as “Kaberle will get us James Neal a prospect and a first”
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Wiz fetched shit. And one can make a case he’s as valuable a commodity as Kaberle. Cheaper, younger, plays more minutes against better competition and is competent defensively.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
and simon gagne fetched shit too, doesn’t mean marc savard will
The whole Wiz scenario reeks of something foul. I mean the Ducks NEED good NHL ready defensemen yet they take over a month to sign him to a one year deal and than flip him on a dime.
to me, it comes off as a problem with the individual player and the Ducks just wanting to get anything for him instead of letting him go for nothing (after walking away from his arbitration)
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, there’s something rotten in the state of Denmark here.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
ya i was reading that he wanted higher dollars & a bigger role on the team
and the ducks definitely didnt want to grant him that.
so they said “nuts to him” and dumped him off. i dont think the cond 3rd is representative of his value, just that bob murray didnt want to have to check the market for james wisniewski, because seriously.. he’s james wisniewski.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 31, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
I know we pride ourselves around here as being more realistic in our trade musings than the dreaded HF boards, but I think on occasion, we go too far the other way.
Recognizing that LA doesn’t want to give up Wayne Simmonds, I still thought it was ridiculous that people perceived him as ‘too good’ to get in a deal for Kaberle. He looks like a good prospect, but I don’t think that his type of player is an unreasonable return. He’s probably a second-line winger.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
I dunno, I think the fact Simmonds is cheap and only 21 (won’t be a UFA for 5 more years) makes him much more valuable than one year of cost-control over Kaberle.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I am by no means saying that this individual is a fantastic trade target, but his calibre of player is totally within reach.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
Brian Campbell
He netted a good prospect in Steve Bernier, and a late 1st. Bernier never turned into the player than people thought he would, but at the time he was putting up Simmonds-esque numbers: 62 GP 15 G 16A 31PTS.
I think that if we’re not even getting a first with our prospect, we can EASILY get someone as good as Simmonds or Bernier.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
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Burke doesn’t have any leverage in the Kaberle situation, and the other teams know it. If he doesn’t trade him this month, he walks next summer.
but no pop
if he doesn’t trade him this month he signs him to an extension
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yah way
my prediction is a front loaded retirement deal with a hit of 4.5 and a length of 5 years or so
also an NTC
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
limited NTC of course, similar to the Kessel or Komisarek ones
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
dead serious
saying that though, I fully expect Kaberle to be traded at zero hour
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no chance Burke resigns Kaberle. Burke has to resign both Schenn and Gunnarsson next summer. If they get somewhere around 2.5 per year each, an new Kaberle deal would push the Leafs close to $30 million on defense. There has been plenty of talk that the cap will go down next summer. That leaves absolutely no wiggle room to add a forward. It doesn’t logically make sense to re-sign Kaberle.
but no pop
well lets hope neither of us needs to be proven wrong
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
re-sign kabby. trade beauchemin for a 4th or something.
KABBY FOR LIFE!
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
yeap, thats what I see
If Kabby ends up not staying, he gets his contract, and say good buy to Beauch at the deadline of in the off season, and Finger for what ever he can get (7th round pick plz)
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
WHY?
He is not as integral to the team’s success as people seem to think.
In fact, the team has sucked for what… 6 years now with him as the top minute guy?
Why are we holding on to that?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the team sucked. not tomas.
the team sucked with mats too, pretty sure it wasn’t mats’ fault.
and beauchemin’s skill set is redundant with komi and phaneuf and schenn.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Yes and we wanted to trade Mats
and I was fine with him not coming back… and McCabe… and Tucker…
I’m not saying Kaberle is a useless player, I just don’t think he addresses any major needs the Leafs have right now.
They need to improve defensively, and they need a better PP. He has not made the PP better noticeably in the past 2 seasons, DESPITE producing a ridiculous number of PP points.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re wrong. the powerplay struggled because of a lack of creativity or experience or skill in our forwards. to blame tomas is pretty silly.
and wanting to trade mats makes you a bad person.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
PPs do not function
as a result of “creativity”.
Like most things in the game there are specific strategies used to address the holes in the D presented by being a man short.
I admit that Kessel is not being used appropriately as a primary shooter from the half boards (bizarre play choice frankly)… so he is largely to blame, as is the complete lack of a net presence.
But Kaberle alone doesn’t address that need, and I don’t think his passing skills make or break the Leafs PP. I just don’t think I want to be locked into another 3 or 4 years of what he’s provided the past few seasons.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
and before
people respond by saying the PP would have been atrocious without him because if you take those points away the rest of the production is virtually nil…
That’s illogical and flawed because obviously OTHER NHL PPs function capably without Tomas Kaberle. He doesn’t shoot frequently enough to be as effective as he could be as a puck distributor. If he took more shots, the PP would work better.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
based on ice time?
and on the PP?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
and I'm looking now
He was not in the top 20 in the NHL… he was 23rd… and he was 3rd on the team…
I’m not going to say he shoots enough just because he took more shots than a lot of guys when there are 2 other D men taking more shots than he did from the blue line (3 if you include Ian White).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i was going by memory, must have been top 25.
also, some players are better at passing than shooting. it’s true.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Agreed
but you can guarantee that Kaberle always looks to pass before he shoots… that’s a problem.
He’s too predictable.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
the leafs PP main issue is the lack of a 4th weapon
they currently have a very comparable set up to when their PP was amazing a few years back
Elite center piece Mats – Kessel (not as good in the corners or playmaking, but he can pass well and shoot amazing)
Kaberle – Kaberle
Dion – McCabe (booming shot)
???? – Tucker
the Leafs need a “back door man” (bow chicka bow wow), rather someone who can find the holes and be a legitimate scoring threat on the opposite side of their big gun on the point to prevent the defensive team from stacking on the offense heavy side without worrying about leaving someone who can burn them open
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Kessel
is light years away from Mats. He is way too weak down low, his passing is nowhere’s near as good, and he is far too incapable with his one timer.
The down low piece in Tucker is also missing… and you’re forgetting the Leafs had the likes of Wellwood, Svehla, Kubina, White for the last half dozen or so years. It doesn’t hurt to have some secondary options you can put out in a pinch.
4 guys does not a good PP make.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
wait… i thought it was tomas’ fault that the powerplay sucked? now it’s the fact that our forwards are crappy?
i’m having a hard time keeping up with you today, must be the beer.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
No
I think Kaberle’s role is replaceable and superfluous on the current edition of the team. He isn’t adding anything the Leafs really need right now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
wait…Kadri was crappy at the WJC?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Kadri spent a good portion of his OHL PP time on the point. So I am not gonna pencil him in for any slot on an NHL pp yet
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I remembering wrong? At WJC he was sitting beside the net picking up the garbage, Hall was coming off the boards like Kessel would for us. I didn’t watch any of his OHL stuff, but it would make sense for him to be at the point there as a lot of teams just put their best player at the point so he can run the show. Rare in the NHL when talent is more evenly spread.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, you are remembering it right, Kadri floated around the bottom of the circle to the slot on the PP at the WJC while Hall hogged the puck and tried to do everything himself
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, yes, I remember that. I remember Kadri banging his stick like a madman to get the puck. Stupid Hall. I think if he tries to play in the NHL this year he’s gonna get crushed.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Hall
is very good… but he isn’t NHL superstar good at this point.
He strikes me as too much of a one man show from what I’ve seen, and I think he will suffer for it in the NHL.
He’ll be a good to great goal scorer eventually, but he might have a rough go of it in year #1.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
I was looking at 5 on 5 shot totals, where he had 92 shots. He had 158 total, which means he likely took around 60-66 on the PP (not sure about his SH totals).
On the PP that means he fired a shot roughly once ever 6 minutes… he only averaged 4:30 PP ice time per game. That means we could expect him to shoot on the PP once every other game or so???
seriously?
Even Phaneuf taking 100PP shots means he only took one PP shot every 3:15 of PP ice time or so… that really isn’t a lot when you’re playing 4 minutes on the PP per game.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
well yes, of course Kessel is no mats, it was more of an elite offensive player who is the focal point of the other teams D comparo.
The other team is still going to focus their best defender to shutting down kessels offense, thus the MAIN thing I think the PP needs is a guy like Tucker, someone who the opposition cannot afford to forget about because he has the potential to bury them
hopefully that guy can be Versteeg
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Versteeg
as far as I’ve seen, tends to play the half boards like Kessel… but he has a better one timer.
I’m not sure if Kessel and Versteeg will make sense on the same PP unit.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Versteeg strikes me as a guy who can sort his way through traffic and find the holes. but yeah, he does like the half boards. I just don’t see any other player currently on the Leafs that might work in that roll
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
steve, it’s not uncommon for a team to go an entire powerplay with no shots, or only one shot. that happens all the time.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Yes, but
this is over the course of a whole game, and then an entire season.
One power play isn’t weird… but 6 minutes of PP time? That’s 3 full minor penalties… with no shots… probably closer to 4 power plays.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
his job is to pass on the powerplay, and shoot occasionally. it’s not uncommon to have a D on the powerplay that carries out that function.
tomas hasn’t changed, the shitty forwards in front of him have. i’m sure when our powerplay was clicking 3 or 4 years ago, he was shooting just as often as he is now.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Agreed that
the forwards have changed .. but he’s also getting older, and I think slightly less effective… but maybe that’s just me.
The Leafs PP has gone from scoring 107 goals in 2005-06, to 71 in 06-07, 61 in 07-08, 62 in 08-09… then down to 44 this past season.
That last year stands out to me, and he was there for all of it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
They went
from being 2nd in the NHL in 05-06, to hovering mid league at 15th-16th for 3 years, to dead last last season… I’m not looking up the totals right now, looking up something else… just a sec.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok in 2008-09
WITHOUT Kaberle in the lineup the Leafs PP scored 17 goals in 91 chances, for an 18.68% production rate.
With Kaberle in the lineup it went 45 for 239 chances, or 18.82% production rate.
Why the hell are we so worried about keeping vs. losing him?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle will be 33 when his contract ends. Beauchemin will only be 31. Kaberle is already at the end of his peak physical years. I’d rather have Beauchemin
but no pop
Does anyone really think Burke will trade Beauchemin or Komisarek? His two big splash signings from last summer? No chance.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Komisarek? No, probably because he doesnt have much of a market currently (because of his contract/injuries) but beauchemin? next year? Sure
A lot has changed on the Leafs, I would not be surprised at all to see if Beauch is moved as soon as even the dead line this season if the situation warrants it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
that would involve Burke eating some serious crow. I don’t see it.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. Pretty much admitting that he made a huge mistake signing one or both of those guys. You think that would ever happen? I doubt it
but no pop
how does this even apply at the dead line or in a year? he will be around 2 years into a 3 year deal. it isnt like it would be a sign and trade
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Those two were brought in (at high price) to rebuild the defence. If Burke trades one at the deadline or halfway through their deal, how does it not look like he made a mistake signing one or both?
but no pop
Dustin Penner?
I know he didn’t WANT to move him, but he took the exchange of picks rather than signing him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
I don’t really think he was with Anaheim for many of his additions to turn into players he would want to move. He was only there from June 20th, 2005 until November 12th, of 2008. That’s only 40 and a half months.
He’s already been in Toronto from November 29th of 2008 until July 31st of 2010. That’s roughly 20 months, so he’s almost halfway through his entire term in Anaheim, and nobody would argue he’s had a chance to see if what he’s built is going far enough for him to want to make extreme changes.
If he hasn’t dealt anyone away that he brought in within the next 20 months, then I think we can assume either the Leafs are a success (like Anaheim), or Burke is incapable of admitting he’s made any mistakes. It’s too early to make that call in Toronto.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Paradis
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
there was that guy he brought in in the Premeau trade that never played a game for the leafs, but Burke hasn’t been here that long
It isn’t that hard to believe that Burke would NEVER move a player he signed. especially if a couple years later said player becomes redundant
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but outside of Kessel and Phaneuf, Burke’s biggest move was signing Komisarek and Beauchemin. I think history has shown that Burke likes a certain kind of player and does what he can to bring them in. He doesn’t often send them out the door. Just look at all the turnover since spring 09.
but no pop
yeah, and if the team stays very similar, especially on defense, Beauch probably rides out his contract as a Leaf
but then you have players like schenn and Gunnarsson, who very well may over take Beauch. especially Gunnar as he has a very similar skill set.
Dion obviously isnt going anywhere, Komi we can’t speculate on until he proves if he can return from his injury, and I really don’t see Burke moving one of the kids
Beauch is the odd man out here
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, in 2 seasons that may be the case. But you think Burke is going to re-sign Kaberle at the sake of Beauchemin? Burke has been trying to trade Kaberle for over a year. Even if Burke had plans to let Beauchemin walk in 2 years, he’s not going to do so and keep Kaberle.
but no pop
Kaberle has a unique and valuble skill set that the Leafs do not, at current have a replacement for
Beauchemin does not
so yes, I do think, that if Burke cannot get a satisfactory deal for Kaberle, he will resign him. And I believe that if that happens. the first cap casualty next off season will be beauchemin
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Replacement? Where do you get that? What do you think Phaneuf is?
The Leafs no longer play a system that requires Kaberle’s skill set. He is a puck control defenseman. He no longer jumps into the rush like he once did, and he’s not a great outlet passer like people seem to think. What he does very well is control the puck with his skating and stick handling. Unfortunately, the Leafs break out of their own end differently now.
Beauchemin may not be as good offensively, but he is far better in his own end. It would be silly for Burke to resign Kaberle, a player that doesn’t fit on this team anymore, than someone like Beauchemin who can play in any situation.
but no pop
It might look
like he thinks he has cheaper equivalent pieces that have developed SINCE he made the signings in the likes of Gunnarsson, Aulie, Holzer, etc. Things change a lot in 2 years… I don’t see it like admitting a mistake if it means you get something else you need in exchange at the time.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
how so? be signed a guy, played him for over a season and a half, more likely 2 seasons of a 3 year deal
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, mostly because I think Burke hasn’t had time for his plan to really play out yet. Or at least it didn’t workout last year because of bad goaltending (mostly), so he’s got to give it another chance. Maybe in the summer if Kaberle stays and it becomes obvious Komi is useless and it wasn’t just the injuries, then I could see him going. But if Beauchemin keeps up what he’s doing, he’ll stay. He’s too big of a piece, I think.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
because he has value, he can help the team…and it leaves him open to being traded yet again instead of letting him walk for nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are
we holding on to him to trade him later? when we can trade him now? His value isn’t going to go up in a year or two.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well yes, this discussion is a byproduct if he is NOT traded before august 15th, a trade which I fully expect to happen.
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree Burke doesn’t have a whole lot of leverage at this point, but the flipside of that is the fact that there are teams who are desperate to add a player like Kaberle. Those teams have obviously come out of the woodwork and made offers to Burke by now, so the trick is to find that sweet spot where both sides are happy with what they’re giving up and getting back.
Yeah, unless Burke drops his price tag looks like he’s not going anywhere.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny, folks were just discussing this kind of thing in the Delta thread.
I think we’re missing a significant part of the story looking at these numbers alone.
As per the Corsi QoC, Jay Rosehill is the best defenceman on the Leafs, so I’m not overly worried about that stat.
Beauchemin logged the most ES TOI/60, but I really think that this speaks more to how well he played with Phaneuf than it does to whether or not Kaberle is a first-pairing defenceman. Dobber’s Hockey has Beauchemin listed as playing alongside White most frequently, and Phaneuf sits at #2.
As for the PP/PK time, let’s face it: there are a bunch of possible reasons that Wiz wouldn’t get the PP time that Kabby does on a consistent basis. I guess I think that if Wiz really could thrive there, he’d have been given a chance by now. Anaheim’s PP was 5th in the league last year, so obviously Carlisle had already found a combination that worked well for them.
Kabby’s skill set is a tough one to come by. This trade doesn’t phase me in the least with regards to its implications for a deal.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
Rosehill is too small a sample size. Corsi QoC consistently reveals who plays tough minutes and who is sheltered.
That said, as Jared suggested it seems there’s more than meets the eye with Wiz because it’s a pathetic return for a guy who pretty clearly is a Top 4 NHL D man.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
rosehill is also a winger
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, BtN classifies him as D. I thought he played a bit of both.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think his best position is serving a 5 minute major.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I like when Leafs punch other teams players in the face
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You, my friend, are very much in luck. With Brown coming on board, I see next season being even more punchy than this past one.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
indeed with Phaneuf, Brown, Komi, Schenn, Armstrong and of course the venerable Colton Orr all more than willing to toss em, things look up.
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Punchy is nice, I just hope we can be a little more score-y too.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
the scoring doesn’t worry me as much as it does most (but of course, the more the better)
I am more worried about the stopy of the scorey by our goal…y
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
That too… though I’m more optimistic there…
[insert huge IIIIIIIFFFFFFF]
we can get league average goaltending.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm more confident of that
from Giguere and Gustavsson for a full year than I ever was with Toskala.
Barring unforeseen injuries, I think we should be ok.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, giggy should post at least a 900, and unless gus’s heart issues come to bare again, or what not, he should at least post similar numbers
I for one hope we get the end of last season Monster all year long
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s been so frickin long since we’ve had stellar goaltending. i miss it.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
yeah, I’d love stellar goaltending, but I’ll be fucking ecstatic if the Leafs get league average
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
We need
a fair bit better than .900 to be competitive. .900 isn’t league average… the top 30 goalies in the NHL to qualify in save percentage had a .907 or better.
There were 23 goalies with a save percentage above .910, hell Jose Theodore had a .911…
If Giguere posts another .900, we’re not doing so great.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
42 NHL goalies
had save percentages over .900, if Giguere can’t manage to be at least in the top 25 we have a problem in net YET AGAIN.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Put one more (and horrible way)
Only 5 NHL regular goalies had save percentages under .900 last year, and Toskala was by far the worst.
Ignoring Toskala, that leaves 4 other guys getting regular starts (over 20) on NHL teams. If Giguere is almost in that group, we’re fucked yet again.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
thus the “at least” I think he can get a 905-908 without much trouble but I don’t want to set my expectations too high
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a .907
last year, and Gustavsson had a .902… if they duplicate that, we’re still struggling, but I’d like to see both of them improve.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He was .900
over his last two years in Anaheim, and then rebounded to a .916 with the Leafs… if he can stay over .910, I think we’re fine.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I see Gus having the better numbers this season, mainly because of how impressive he was down the stretch once he seemed to get both his body and mind sorted. He had a rough season that had very little to do with the actual game of hockey with his health and mothers death and all.
I am trying really hard to temper my expectations though
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’m factoring Gustavsson out of my raised expectations because of a lack of NHL track record on his part.
Giguere I expect more from, Gustavsson – anything we get is gravy .
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
my main hope is that giggy has some contract year magic
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Brand name
has a lot to do with it.
Kaberle has a longer history of production, and GMs may discount his results as a result of playing on a crap team.
Let’s not forget that a lot of GMs think they know more than the numbers will tell them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think what it says is that stats, especially ones just comparing a single season don’t tell a whole story when it comes to value. It says that GMs still value experience (which Kaberle has)
that said, if his value is as high as some people think, then by trading him, we’re losing a valuable player.
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Jul 31, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You can mess with any stats to make anyone look good/bad
Adjusted to 82 Games, 20 Minutes Per Game, Last Years Stats
Jeff Finger: 6 Goals 24 Assists, 30 Points, 61 PIM, 88 Shots, 235 Hits, 256 Blocked Shots, 2.38 Giveaways Per Takeover
James Wisniewski: 3 Goals 27 Assists, 30 Points, 55 PIM, 143 Shots, 127 Hits, 100 Blocked Shots, 1.81 Giveaways Per Takeover
Of course, Wisniewski >> Finger, but it doesn’t look that way if you do this, does it?
your numbers justified...
comparing Wisnewsky to Kaberle????
your numbers are dumb.
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Jul 31, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Anaheim Defensemen
DEFENSEMEN
Lubomir Visnovsky ($5.600m) / Toni Lydman ($3.000m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($0.750m) / Brendan Mikkelson ($0.687m)
Brett Festerling ($0.525m)
Wow. Just pathetic.
/cuemorebobbyryanforkaberlerumours
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Word is that they anticipate Fowler being able to make the team out of camp.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 31, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Since them being able to get Fowler was kind of a surprise
it kinda shows that they had no plan for their defense this summer (or that most of their plans fell apart)
If I’m Hiller, I’m saying “WTF Anaheim”
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 31, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess
they might bring Fowler in immediately? That’s still pretty horrible.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 31, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Further to my post above, over at Anaheim Calling they seem to be delighted to be rid of Wiz. Odd that they’d want to be rid of a guy who played the toughest minutes on the team and posted pretty solid results. Maybe you need to watch him to understand. I don’t get it.
On a more humourous note, they did suggest trading a forward for a Leafs D… but it was Beauchemin for Blake, because you know we’re overstocked on D and need top 6 forwards. Don’t worry, one of their own pointed out the absurdity of that pretty quickly.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Beauchemin for Blake
/blowsbrainsout
Did they remember how ecstatic we were to get rid of him in the first place?
Oh ya I doubt they trade for Kaberle, they only have 1 player we want and we all know we’re not getting him.
More a commentary on how hilariously terrible their d-core is. Also, there are like no d-men available anymore, I thought they might have made a run at White if Calgary let him go, but I guess not.
Then again, Philly has too many d-men… same with Vancouver. And a bunch of teams are over the cap, so who knows what will happen now.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 31, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, their defense currently consists of Visnovsky, Lydman, a rookie and 3 marginal NHLers.
by The '67 Sound on Jul 31, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
And out of nowhere,
Neidermeyer un-retires out of pity!
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 31, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
they have more than 1 player we want and we all know we’re not getting
in order of want:
Getzlaf, Ryan
Perry, Cory
Ryan, Bobby
Fowler, Cam
Selanne, Teemu
Hiller, Jonas
Etem, Emerson
Warg, Stefan
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 31, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Fowler isn't that high on my list
I’d put Hiller far above him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, currently Hiller is lower
only because we arent necessarily hurting for a $4m starting goalie right now….
obviously he slots about equal with bobby ryan if you are evaluating as Objective Team X
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 31, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
but Hiller is more valuable than either of our current starting goalies, so I’d still rank them above Fowler.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they’re gonna trade for Bieksa. Aren’t they operating on an internal cap, too?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Jul 31, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Screw the Americans,eh. That bunch of baseball lovin, light beer drinkin, “Z” mispronouncin Mexico touchers!
by samspade on Jul 31, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I wanted to have a nap this afternoon so I put on the Jays game and relaxed on the couch. Worked like a charm! Not even half way through the first inning and I was fast asleep. Looks like I’ve found a worthy adversary for golf and soccer for a visual sleeping pill.
by CanadianMaple09 on Jul 31, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw that replay the other day. I don’t mind watching replays. But 4 hours straight of baseball is just plain boring! It’s the same with soccer. If you only watch highlight reels of all the goals from the World Cup, it seems exciting. That’s ignoring the hundreds of hours of play where absolutely nothing (or next to nothing… pass forward, dribble a bit, pass back, pass forward, repeat, etc etc etc) happened. After 15 minutes of watchng baseball I saw about 10 pitches, one or two hits, and seemingly endless shots of the pitcher spitting, the catcher re-adjusting his position, the dugout where nothing was going on, and pans across the sparse crowd where it looks like 75% of the seats are empty.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 2, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
screw yiou canada!!
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by Future_considerations on Jul 31, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The longer this Kaberle thing goes, the more I want him to stay, Unless they’re going to get a great return, and in my opinion Wayne simmonds or ryan malone is not a great return.
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by Future_considerations on Jul 31, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed on Malone, but Simmonds would be a great return. He’ll have no problem being a top 6 winger in the future.
by Bower Power on Jul 31, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Burke would except either player straight up, there would be a pick and/or prospect added, a better one probably in the Malone situation because of his contract
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally I think our D will be able to handle the workload pretty confidently without Kabs, especially with Gunnarsson’s offensive development. Hopefully a couple of Toronto’s other defensive prospects turn into capable puck-movers as well (Mikus/Holzer?). That being said, Simmonds would be a nice return… he’s young, he’s in the top-6 on a very good team, has size, and plays with an edge.
Simmonds
is not in the top 6 in LA now… that may actually increase the likelihood of his availability.
If you look at their top 6 forwards you have Kopitar, Smyth, Brown, Ponikarovsky, Williams, and Stoll. The idea that Williams was dropped down largely stems from his injury issues last year. He had 10 goals and 29 points in only 49 games last year, which pro-rates to a 49 point 82 game season. Simmonds had 40 points in 78 games last season.
Williams is not a checking line winger, Simmonds obviously plays that role with a bit of scoring upside.
Simmonds is younger, but Williams is ahead of him in both experience and potential production on the wing. I can’t see Simmonds supplanting one of LA’s top 4 wingers (Smyth, Brown, Ponikarovsky, or Williams) without someone being dealt.
Last year Williams was injured and Frolov was semi-demoted. That won’t be true out of the gate this year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I also think
calling Simmonds a guaranteed top 6 winger in the future is a stretch. He’s had 1 solid season of 40 points, and prior to that he put up 23 points in 2008-09.
To insist he’s a guaranteed performer beyond the production rates of half the Leafs young crew of forwards (i.e. Kulemin, Grabovski, Bozak, etc.) is a bit confusing to me. I also don’t think anyone here is guaranteeing that those guys are sure fire top 6 NHLers for years to come (I think for the most part they are… but I’d stop short of guaranteeing it).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the lack of a guarentee is what makes a player like Simmonds viable as a target, mainly because his value lies mostly within potential. Think Jeff Carter before the big break out, or Bernier before he showed to be less than the sum of his parts
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
huge distinction between Jeff Carter and Steve Bernier as talents… and I’d put Simmonds closer to Bernier than Carter on the rating scale to be honest.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
well yes, just the easiest comparo I could make off the cuff. Clearly Carter had a much higher potential than Bernier ever did and was showing a much lower percentage of his talent around the “trade” time, but still you gather what I am getting at
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemi @ $2.75M
http://committedindians.com/antti-niemi-arbitration-award-unveiled/
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Assuming Huet waived and sent down
11F, 5D, 1G
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($3.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Tomas Kopecky ($1.200m)
Troy Brouwer ($1.025m) / Viktor Stalberg ($0.850m) / Jack Skille ($0.600m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.541m) / Jake Dowell ($0.525m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brian Campbell ($7.142m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Brent Seabrook ($3.500m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
John Scott ($0.512m)
GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($2.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,993,257; BONUSES: $65,000
CAP SPACE (17-man roster): $2,471,743
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 31, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
so they need at the least, a back up , a 6th D a 4th line winger and an extra (D or Forward) for under 2.5 mil
totally doable……
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because they can mathematically ice a team doesn’t mean they’ll be any good though unfortunately.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, they still have their core of elite talent, but they are surrounded by question marks
on forward
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
JeffMarek
Sharks sign Devin Setoguchi to one-year deal. No terms disclosed.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
sign and trade…..FOR KABERLE
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
RealKyper
Sharks Devin Setoguchi gets 1.8M on his deal.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 31, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that is a good deal
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
for a 22-yo 30g and 20g scorer, that is a joke
he should fire his agent.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 31, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
gets him out of RFA territory next year and he can cash in then
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ya, but clark macarthur was evaluated at $2.4m
blake wheeler arbitrated for $2.2
kulemin signed for $2.35
andrew ladd signed for $2.35
i’d wager that a blossoming top line scoring threat would be worth more than all of these guys, RFA-to-UFA contract or not.
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 31, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference
All of those players are playing on teams with FAR less offensive firepower than Setoguchi.
San Jose doesn’t have to pay him like he’s a top line winger because they have Thornton, Heatley, Marleau, Pavelski, and Clowe.
Buffalo, Boston, Toronto, and Atlanta really don’t have any players that can match that firepower up front.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
granted,
but Seto’s job is not to agree to what SJ values him at.
he should fire his agent.
my statement still applies, because if his agent could go out and find a $2.5m-$3.5m contract from another, more desperate team, then he should sign that. its up to Doug WIlson to determine if thats worth it for him, but Setoguchi should not depress his own value to serve the needs of the Sharks
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 31, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Two problems I see with that argument
1. If Setoguchi wants to stay in San Jose, and he is only 22 mind you so his best years are still ahead of him, then that comes into play – for both him and his agent. Maybe he wants to win now, and he’ll worry about cashing in on it later. He’ll get more as a cup winner with stats padded by playing with great players than he would as an average 23 year old scorer on a lousy team.
2. It’s a 1 year contract – and at the end of it, if he puts up better numbers next year (which is likely) then he maximizes his value then. He also has a year to consider what the market might be for young 23 year old forwards.
Right now the market is not doing so great for scoring wingers… maybe he saw that and worried a tad.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Random?
MONTREAL — The federal Greens are hoping a former NHL tough guy will help beef up the party’s presence in Quebec.
Party leader Elizabeth May is expected today to name Georges Laraque as a deputy leader of the Green Party of Canada.
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A drinking team with a hockey problem.
the hell?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
laraque for PM
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by Future_considerations on Jul 31, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
copy and past is your friend
ctrl V!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Mirtle's list of remaining UFAs and RFAs is not spectacular
UFAs likely signing soon
Lee Stempniak
Eric Belanger
Maxim Afinogenov
Bill Guerin
Mike Mottau
Andy Sutton
Mike Modano
Notable RFAs
Erik Johnson, St. Louis
Carey Price, Montreal
Bobby Ryan, Anaheim
Marc Staal, NY Rangers
Devin Setoguchi, San Jose
Chris Stewart, Colorado
Patric Hornqvist, Nashville
James Neal, Dallas
Bryan Little, Atlanta
Nick Bergfors, Atlanta
Steve Downie, Tampa Bay
Peter Mueller, Colorado
Martin Hanzal, Phoenix
Andrew Cogliano, Edmonton
Sam Gagner, Edmonton
Matt Niskanen, Dallas
Nicklas Grossman, Dallas
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
I'd take a flyer
on Afinogenov. He has oodles of talent, even if he doesn’t backcheck much.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd also contemplate
giving Guerin a deal. He has a history with USA hockey, and he might be able to help our young PF type players develop as a positive influence in the locker room and during practice… sort of a do what he does kinda concept.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Guerin on a one year deal at less than 2 mill would not bother me in the least
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by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m really not sure if i wish afinogenov to sign somewhere where he can win the cup or somewhere where he will available for the worlds so i can enjoy his game…
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
yup. the games should be on perfect time for me!
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
n/m
i thought you meant you would be watching in person and i thought “helskinki? i dont think its helsinki this year…”
by Death_By_Leafs on Jul 31, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no sadly, unless i can have trip to slovakia :)
but 2012! though the tickets will be horribly overpriced and finland will epically fail…
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
go Finland!
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by Future_considerations on Jul 31, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy is just too much
Sens_Suck
Anyone know of a Beautiful Leafs fan between the ages of 26-28 who is single and who wouldn’t mind dating a fat unemployed hit like me?
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
hey, at least he is being honest
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
he seems to be doing fine...
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Jul 31, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The smiles look
a bit forced… no?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
also
what’s with the “security” type in the back left…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap Sens_Suck is fat.
In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly
by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 31, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
did that make you feel better about yourself?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
In Lou We Trust: The system hates us, man.
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly
by Kevin Sellathamby on Jul 31, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Gustavsson, Rynnas, Scrivens training together in Stockholm with Allaire
Allaire:
"This year will be the first time I’ve had my kind of team of goalies out there, all of them working on the same thing."
That was another unsubtle shot at the unco-operative Vesa Toskala, whom Allaire was candid about not wanting to change his ways when the latter arrived on the scene last summer. Toskala was traded to Anaheim in the Giguere deal.
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2010/07/29/14871896.html
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
I'm wondering
what it indicates that Reimer and Engelage weren’t present. Does this portend of the Leafs moving Reimer in the future?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jul 31, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
If we should read too much into it. Who knows, his name has been thrown around a bunch this summer.
I hope we don’t move him, he’ll end up being the next Rask just to screw us.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Jul 31, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I see this more of a “get to know Francois” type of thing with Gustavsson there because it is in his home country and so he can talk to Rynnas about the transition from the euro game to the NHL game as they are both very very similar
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Jul 31, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Osheaga
Now I don’t want to give any credit to Montreal, but HOLY COW the lineup for that festival is insane. I most certainly wish I was there rather than in the US today.
yeah Snoop Dogg is like 8th on the bill or something… It’s a big deal.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That Post article is the same one that was in FTB yesterday only in the Gazette.
by Leaf in Habland on Jul 31, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
Is it time to turn up the heat yet?
You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon
by Biff Carrington on Aug 1, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions
put on a sweater
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 1, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 1, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Its august 1st, the phones should be jamming up with suitors for kaberle..
..or perhaps its another vacation weekend for NHL. Probably the latter.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 1, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Hi Brian, heard you were turning up the heat on us today. I’m calling with an offer that is much improved from my last one!
You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon
by Biff Carrington on Aug 1, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
heheh..I’d say Mr Burkes blackberry will have many messages just like that.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 1, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
this is indeed a truculent pic
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by Future_considerations on Aug 1, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
either that or heat shield
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by Future_considerations on Aug 1, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He’d look hotter wearing a top button undone, collared shirt with a loosened tie.
You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon
by Biff Carrington on Aug 1, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This is clearly Uncle Cliffy
…I mean look at the hair.
You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon
by Biff Carrington on Aug 1, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
heheh nice
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by Future_considerations on Aug 1, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
TheFourthPeriod
Reports out of Chicago saying hawks have signed goalie marty turco to a 1yr, 1.75M deal … No official decision on niemi yet
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Do they now gamble with Rocky's dollar bills?
Sign-and-(hope to) trade? Walk away?
What now becomes of the zombie Niemi?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Aug 2, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
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