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In The Interim

Between long weekends, the end of the school year, my wedding, the start of summer school, and the general hustle and bustle of life, I haven't had much time to sit down and reflect upon what the Leafs have done over the past week and a bit.  Since I'm not likely to have a lot of time to contribute regularly on here during this summer, I'm going to go through a few of my concerns and interest points right now.  Hopefully the discussion leads some of us somewhere, or else entertains on the basis of creating debate if nothing else. 

So without further ado, here I go! 

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The NHL Entry Draft

The Leafs made a bit of a splash at the entry draft, making a couple of trades.  One was for Anaheim tough guy Mike Brown who will assist Colton Orr in protecting the smaller skilled forwards on the Leafs.  The other deal involved trading away the Leafs' Boston College prospect, and relative of Keith Tkachuk, Jimmy Hayes to the Blackhawks in order to pick up the 43rd overall pick at the draft.  I find it difficult to question the dealing of a 60th overall draft pick for a 43rd overall draft pick.  Hayes has loads of upside, good hands, and his size, at 6'5" and 210 lbs is something the Leafs need sorely up front.  That being said, his tendency was not to be overly aggressive around the net, and questions around his work ethic have arisen in the past.

From the Leafs perspective, picking up the 43rd overall pick allowed them to select Lethbridge Alberta native Brad Ross, who played the role of energizing feisty winger on the top offensive unit for the Portland Winterhawks in the WHL last season.  With 27 goals and 68 points in 71 games to go along with 203 penalty minutes, the slightly undersized Ross should contribute significantly to the Leafs in the future as an agitator.

He has already been compared to Darcy Tucker for obvious reasons and will probably have to live up to that type of billing if he is to be considered a success by Toronto fans.  Unfortunately, few NHL fans realize that Tucker was FAR more productive offensively in his junior years, producing seasons of 140 and 137 points consecutively in seasons of only 66 and 64 games, leading Kamloops in scoring for both seasons as he led them to the Memorial Cup.  Tucker outscored Shane Doan consistently in junior on the same team by over 40 points.  In Tucker's last year in Kamloops he added 16 goals and 31 points in 21 playoff games.  Suffice it to say, if Ross is to pan out into a 60 point, 100 penalty minute player for the Leafs, he's going to need to show some more offensive flair.

I would expect him to work out into more of an energy/agitator on the 3rd line as it stands right now as he hasn't shown enough offense for me to expect him to do much other than generate power plays for the opposition.  He DID lead the WHL in penalty minutes this past season so hopefully he can tone that down a tad this upcoming year.

Offensively the Leafs 3rd round draft picks have a higher upside in my opinion.  Greg McKegg was taken 62nd overall (2 picks after where the Leafs selected Hayes originally) and the Erie Otters centre may yet turn out to be the highlight of this Leafs draft.  With 37 goals and 85 points in 67 games, McKegg finished 3rd in scoring for the Otters, and 3rd in the OHL for scoring amongst all players under the age of 18, and 6th in scoring amongst OHL draft eligible players.  McKegg was ranked as high as 47th in some mock drafts and this was SOLELY due to his offensive instincts as his physical attributes are not particularly overwhelming.

That means he was slightly behind the likes of Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin but he produced around the same amount as the likes of Hurricanes' 7th overall pick Jeff Skinner of the Kitchener Rangers, Predators' 70th overall pick Taylor Beck of the Guelph Storm, and Thrashers' 45th overall pick Jeremy Morin of the US who also played for Kitchener this past season.

Expect McKegg to develop into one of the Leafs top 2 centres longer term.  Assuming his offensive skill continues to flourish, and he gets to continue to test himself against top flight competition, he should improve as his strength and skill work to his advantage.  He finished the world U-18 tournament this past year with the best faceoff win percentage at 70.83%. He's been to both the U-17 and U-18 championships so he'll likely be in the mix for the World Juniors in the next year or two.  He needs to improve his foot speed and his strength in order to contribute at the NHL level but barring serious injury that should develop with energy, effort, and time.  Solid pick by Burke and his scouting staff.

With the 79th overall pick the Leafs went away from the board quite a bit and picked up Norwegian rising star Sondre Olden.  Sizable at 6'4" but thin enough that he still needs to fill out quite a tad at only 176 lbs, Olden has an offensive skill set and contributes consistently on the power play (which is something the Leafs need going forward).

A top offensive contributor at the World U-18 Div 1 championships (not the top level), Olden is being touted as the best Norwegian prospect since Espen Knutsen, a 10th round pick of the Hartford Whalers in 1990 that played in parts of 5 seasons in the NHL, achieving a career high of 53 points in 66 games for the Columbus Blue Jackets in their inaugural season.  Unfortunately Knutsen's career was derailed by a tragic accident in which a 13 year old girl was struck by a puck shot off his stick resulting in the only recorded death by an NHL fan arising from a play on the ice.  He never really recovered so it's unclear how much more Knutsen could have developed in the NHL.

The most recent Norwegian prospect to attract NHL attention is the Hobbit aka Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, who most recently led the SEL in scoring, producing 23 goals and 64 points in 55 games with MODO.  MODO is the club that Olden currently plies his trade for, playing for their J20 Elitserien side.  Olden finished 15th in scoring amongst players under the age of 18 in the J20 last season, producing 7 goals and 27 points in 32 games.  He finished third on MODO J20 in scoring.  Expect him to be a bit of a project but if the Leafs like his development on the MODO senior side he will likely cross to North America in a year or two.  Leafs top European scout Thommie Bergman's fingerprints are all over this selection.

Sticking with Europe for the 116th overall selection, the Leafs selected a big stay at home blueliner from Sweden in Petter Grandberg, who played for Skellefteå in the J20 SEL for the most part last season.  He'll never really be a scorer but he does play the body relatively well and his size will be an asset.

With their fifth round selection the Leafs took Sam Carrick, the second leading scorer for an underwhelming Brampton Battalion side from this past season.  He produced 21 goals and 42 points in 66 games to go along with 92 penalty minutes.  Hopefully he continues to develop an all around game while playing top line minutes in Brampton.  A Leafs fan growing up, and regular attendee as a season ticket holder, Carrick knows he'll be in tough to make the Leafs.  His skating needs a lot of work according to his OHL coach Stan Butler so expect that to be a key focus of the Leafs development team as he progresses next year and beyond.

With the 146th overall pick the Leafs selected Daniel Brodin from Sweden, a hard working energy type winger.  Brodin is unlikely to develop into much of a scorer but he definitely brings a physical edge to his game and he works his butt off in every game.

The final pick of the Leafs draft was Josh Nicholls 182nd overall.  He plays for the Saskatoon Blades in the WHL.  Nicholls has some size at 6'2", but needs to fill out his 170 lb frame. His point production increased drastically in his second season in the WHL as his ice time and responsibility increased.  He was the leading point producer of all of Saskatoon's players under the age of 18 this past season with 18 goals and 48 points in 71 games.  He has offensive skill and decent speed, so skating shouldn't be a problem.  He also plays a sound defensive game, regularly skating on the PK for Saskatoon and finishing with a +19 rating.  He is also fairly versatile, being able to line up at centre or on the wing.

In the off season Nicholls has been working out with the likes of Milan Lucic and Colten Teubert, so he should be seeing what it takes to develop significantly during those workouts.  He has also been working specifically at his all-around play without the puck, focusing on his coverages in transition defense.  On offense, he works hard at his cycle game and considers his skating to be his strongest asset.  If Nicholls can add to his core strength and add weight this off-season, expect him to take on a more offensive role, and his numbers to take a jump for Saskatoon again next season.  He's probably at least 3 years from contributing at the NHL level at this point but anything we can get out of a 182nd overall selection is a bonus frankly.

Trades and Free Agency

So Burke's moves didn't finish with the entry draft as he dealt Viktor Stålberg, Chris DiDomenico, and Philipe Paradis in exchange for Billy Sweatt and Kris Versteeg of the Chicago Blackhawks.  Some corners of the internet have had things like this to say:

"...with people still insisting that Burke's decision to trade two first rounders for Phil Kessel was pure insanity, what does the Leaf general manager do but go out and buy another player at the cost of more futures...

Forget patiently stockpiling picks and prospects. Burke says he wants to win now with a team that finished 29th out of 30 NHL clubs last year and isn't particularly interested in whether you or I or anyone thinks he's doing it properly."

So Damien Cox may not think much of the move, but if you think about the following info, this deal makes a lot more sense.

Viktor Stålberg was selected in the 6th round, 161st overall, and was born on January 17th 1986.  When Stålberg was 19 he was still playing in Sweden for the Frolunda J20 side, scoring 27 goals and 53 points in 41 games, finishing third in scoring for the Swedish J20 SuperElit league.  He moved to the NCAA at the age of 20 rather than continuing in the Swedish Elite Serien system.  He played three seasons with the University of Vermont, and broke out in his final year.  Eventually producing 24 goals and 46 points in 39 games, Stålberg was named one of the final 10 players in the running for the Hobey Baker award as top NCAA player.  His Vermont side made the Frozen Four, though they lost out before Stålberg jumped to the pros, signing on with the Leafs prior to this past season.  In one season split between the NHL and AHL, Stålberg played 39 AHL games producing 12 goals and 33 points, and 40 NHL games producing 9 goals and 14 points.  He also displayed some edge to his game, racking up a combined total of 66 penalty minutes in his 79 pro games.

Kris Versteeg was selected 134th overall in the 5th round, and was born on May 13th 1986.  That makes him four months younger than Stålberg.  He played four full seasons in the WHL, starting out with Lethbridge for the first three before splitting his final year between the Kamloops Blazers and Red Deer Rebels. His career wasn't particularly overwhelming as he never led any of his WHL teams in scoring, and played in a grand total of 5 playoff games over the course of 4 years.  He went pro at the close of the 2005-06 season at the age of 19, playing the final 13 AHL games with the Providence Bruins and another 6 AHL playoff games.  So let's remember, Versteeg was playing in the AHL at the age of 19, Stålberg was still playing in the Swedish J20 SuperElit league.

The next year, Versteeg produced 22 goals and 49 points for Providence in his first 43 games of the season before being dealt to the  Blackhawks and moving over to play for their then farm team, the Norfolk Admirals.  In his final 27 games of the season, Versteeg produced another 4 goals and 23 points giving him a rookie AHL season of 70 games with 26 goals and 72 points.  He was a point per game player in the AHL at the age of 20, producing at a level similar to fellow Chicago prospect Troy Brouwer and ahead of the likes of Dave Bolland and Dustin Byfuglien.

His productive 2006-07 season was followed up with an 18 goal, 49 point season with Rockford (Chicago's new AHL affiliate) in which Versteeg also racked up 174 penalty minutes in only 56 AHL games.  Feisty and productive at the AHL level at the age of 21, Versteeg also had a 13 game cup of coffee with Chicago in the NHL, registering his first 2 goals and 4 points.  The 2007-08 Blackhawks didn't make the playoffs but they were trending in the right direction.  Luckily Rockford did and Versteeg performed well, producing 6 goals and 11 points in 12 AHL playoff games.

In 2008-09 Versteeg finally cracked the NHL full time, producing 22 goals and 53 points in 78 games as an NHL rookie. He added another 4 goals and 12 points in 17 playoff games and earned consideration as a finalist for the Calder Trophy as NHL rookie of the year.  He finished the year as the 4th leading scorer on a team that made the Conference Finals, at the age of 22.  Viktor Stålberg was working on his best NCAA season at the time, but Versteeg was facing down the likes of Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg in the playoffs... I'm pretty sure that's a better learning experience.

This past season culminated in a Stanley Cup for Versteeg as he produced his second straight 20 goal season to go along with 44 points in 79 games for the Blackhawks.  He was a consistently productive second liner and he added superior short handed production playing regularly on the PK.  He also lined up alongside some less productive players like John Madden and Dustin Byfuglien for most of the season so his 44 point season could be considered indicative of much more potential offense.  Stålberg was working his way from the AHL to the NHL and still has yet to play in an NHL playoff game. Meanwhile Versteeg has played in the AHL playoffs on three separate occasions and has played in 7 rounds of the NHL playoffs winning the Stanley Cup once.

Stålberg may well turn into an offensive force for the Blackhawks as his size and speed down the wing will work well alongside the likes of Kane or Toews.  Even if that is the case, Versteeg's pedigree is superior at this point in the two players' development and he is 4 months younger so arguing that Burke is trading away prospects for veterans is amazingly absurd at this stage of proceedings...despite the reality of the statement.

The other three players involved in the deal shake out slightly differently.

Chris DiDomenico is working his way back into game shape following a horrific femoral fracture suffered two years ago in the QMJHL playoffs.  Prior that that injury he was one of the Leafs top offensive prospects who looked to have some large upside as an energy player with lots of skill despite being undersized.  His speed will likely take a serious hit as a result of the broken leg but that has yet to be determined. 

Philipe Paradis was taken far higher than originally anticipated in his draft year by the Carolina Hurricanes.  Eventually he was dealt to the Leafs in exchange for Jiri Tlusty but his production in the QMJHL has yet to blossom.  He hits everything that moves and has great speed so his NHL potential may top out as a 3rd line forechecker.  That being said, he likely WILL make the NHL it's just unlikely that his production will be offensively significant based on his play thus far.

Billy Sweatt led Colorado College in scoring in the NCAA this past season at the spritely young age of 20. He has already played four full NCAA seasons, and is going to turn pro next year.  A second round pick, 38th overall, Sweatt has loads of speed, great acceleration, hands, and a solid skill set to match, displaying a great ability to read and make plays while skating at top speed.  He plays hard shift to shift and, despite being of medium build at 6' and 180 lbs, he travels to high traffic areas.  He produced 9 goals and 26 points as a 17 year old in the NCAA, while only skating in 30 games giving him a higher ppg rate than 19 year old teammate Chad Rau (a name likely familiar to Leaf fans).  In addition to his offensive skills, Sweatt's defensive game has improved drastically in the past couple of years and he has played significant time on the Colorado College PK unit.

Sweatt was considered by some to be the top LW prospect in Chicago's system as recently as 2008  and he slots in as the top LW prospect in Toronto's system.  Assuming the Leafs can get Sweatt signed to a contract he should start this upcoming season with the Marlies in the AHL.  He projects as a top 6 forward in the NHL and there is no reason to believe at this point that he won't realize his potential. 

Following the trade, the Leafs then went out and added Colby Armstrong via a 3 year, $9 million deal.  A physical winger with a tendency to open ice hits (sometimes of a questionable nature), Armstrong will likely settle in as a 3rd liner on the Leafs for the next few years.  A $3 million seasonal cap hit is excessive for a player with Armstrong's skill set but he is versatile and his leadership qualities will be an asset.  He also has a history of playing with Dion Phaneuf in junior and playing at the same high school as Luke Schenn growing up (they seem to spend time together in Saskatchewan in the off-season also).  Armstrong is apparently a great glue guy, and he has a solid sense of humour which should balance out the deadpan tone of guys like Phaneuf.

Those additions were rounded out by the re-signing of RFAs John Mitchell and Nikolai Kulemin to $725,000 and $2.35 million deals respectively.  Thus filling out the Leafs forward corps, giving them 12 forwards under contract.  They now have Bozak, Kessel, Versteeg, Kulemin, and Grabovski as top 6 forwards, and an eye on picking up one more player for the top 2 lines.  In the bottom 6 they can expect contributions from Armstrong, Orr, Mitchell, Sjostrom, Brown, Caputi, and Irwin, with Caputi, Mitchell, and Armstrong occasionally jumping up into the top 6 grouping.

The Leafs still need to re-sign Christian Hanson, who will also likely fit into their plans in the bottom 6.  Depending on how things shake out, a few of the lower bottom 6 guys may end up in the AHL (i.e. Irwin, Caputi, Hanson), while incoming top 6 prospects like Kadri, Sweatt, Stefanovich, and Dale Mitchell will be competing for ice time going forward.  Kadri, Sweatt, and Stefanovich could provide a significant dose of offense at the AHL level so it will be interesting to see how they take to the pro game.  Any of the three could be brought up to the NHL for stretches this season.  It's good to see that Burke and Wilson are maintaining their perspective on competing for slots at the NHL level.

On the blue line, the Leafs still have Tomas Kaberle in their possession though he could likely be moved for another younger top 6 forward.  Unfortunately the nature of the Leafs current contract situation prevents them from likely taking on a bad contract to make a deal happen.  They have roughly $2.6 million in cap space remaining so it will be interesting to see if they add salary to push themselves up against the cap.

Beyond Kaberle, they will likely go forward with a top 6 D of Dion Phaneuf, Francois Beauchemin, Luke Schenn, Carl Gunnarsson, Mike Komisarek, and Jeff Finger, with the likes of Keith Aulie, Jesse Blacker, Juraj Mikus, Simon Gysbers, and Korbinian Holzer potentially sliding up into that 7th defender role as the season moves forward.  There is a lack of offensive polish on that blue line group so it will be interesting to see if the Leafs make any moves towards adding another puck moving prospect if Kaberle is dealt.  Assuming they do, the market for young puck moving defenders is not amazingly wide open so hopefully Burke has something in mind.

Goaltending has been set for this season for a while with Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Jonas Gustavsson taking the reins in the NHL, with James Reimer and Jussi Rynnas suiting up in the AHL.  Hopefully all of those players remain injury free for a full year so they can continue to develop or play at a level they need to.

Despite predictions of Versteeg suiting up on the Left Wing of the top line, I would like to see him play alongside Grabovski and another scoring winger on the 2nd line, while killing penalties and providing consistent production from a second unit.  A reunited top line of Bozak, Kessel, and Kulemin would also make me happy but I do realize if the Leafs bring in another top 6 talent, things may get mixed up by Wilson a fair bit.

Next year will prove to be an interesting one and I'm not sure how much change will happen between now and the start of the pre-season.  As of right now, the Leafs are an improved team over what they put out on the ice for 3/4 of last season.  They SHOULD be able to make the playoffs, but again, development will be necessary and the goaltending needs to be up to snuff.  Unfortunately there's quite a bit of time between now and then though so we'll have to keep coming up with ways to entertain ourselves.  Keep contributing to the site discussion and I'll hope to speak to you all soon.  Enjoy your summer!

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sign Zherdev!

SB Nation Scouting Report: Nikolai Zherdev

Assets = Skates with explosive strides and is one of the best one-on-one players in hockey. Can do anything he wants with the puck and oozes offense.
Flaws = Needs a lot of work in defensive-zone coverage. Takes too many shifts off. Hasn’t shown the dedication needed to star at the NHL game.
Career Potential = First line winger.

by Diomedes7 on Jul 5, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Zherdev scored 49 goals during his last two seasons in the NHL: 2007-08 with Columbus and 2008-09 with the NYRangers.

At the conclusion of the 2008-09 season, Zherdev was awarded a one-year deal in arbitration, but the Rangers exercised their right to walk away, thereby making Zherdev an unrestricted free agent.

Zherdev has Top 6 talent, but his work ethic scared away NHL teams, and he played last season in the KHL.

by Diomedes7 on Jul 5, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Dreger on Twitter
I’ll play the role of the fun police. Leafs have zero interest in Zherdev and Pitt is not trading Jordan Staal.

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by eyebleaf on Jul 5, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know.
Prick.

Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
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by leafer1984 on Jul 5, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pitt is clearly not trading Jordan Staal, but equally clearly the Leafs need a winger

by Diomedes7 on Jul 5, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dreger is a jerk. He’s always right, but that doesn’t make him less of a jerk.

http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com

by Curt S on Jul 5, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Burke is a liar. He’s always playing poker, but that doesn’t make him less of a liar. (-;

by Diomedes7 on Jul 5, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah who’d want a 60 pt 25 goal guy who’s 25 years old for $4M without trading anything?

We should trade some firsts for that guy or use cap space to sign 3rd liners.

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by Chemmy on Jul 5, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

more 3rd liners please! You can never have enough of those!

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 5, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn right. If you only sign 3rd liners, you’ll have the best 4th line in the league.

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by article1 on Jul 5, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

/sigh

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 5, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

/laughs.

Come on, this is supposed to be fun! Just pointing out there’s an awful lot of sarcasm… and I generally back off when people get mad.

Admit it, you just have a soft spot for blurr and leafer, right? Nothing wrong with that. I have no hard feelings.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 5, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Burke is infuriating sometimes………give him a 2 yr deal and see where it goes…..all it costs is cash.

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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 5, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa whoa

We need more grit.

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by Chemmy on Jul 5, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Zherdev can put up points and all, but can he rap? We need intangibles.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 5, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as he commits to 16-18 minutes a night floating. We’re not gonna overpay him if he’s gonna break a sweat and crap like that.

I miss Yashin.

by not norm ullman on Jul 5, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Zherdev the untangible could be taking a roster spot away from an intangible-lievable player.

So yeah…

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by Biff Carrington on Jul 5, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I don’t like Zherdev. I’m not shocked in the slightest Burke wasn’t interested.

Also, great write-up Steve.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 5, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s going to score goals for us? Why are we snubbing our noses at talent?

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by Chemmy on Jul 5, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly….beggars can’t be choosers…..there are questions about his defence but you play the guy with a good two way player like Versteeg and you have a good line

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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 5, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

’zactly.
w/ the extra motivation, i could see him scoring 30

by Diomedes7 on Jul 5, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not concerned with his lack of defense (not too much), our D would just have to adapt to his inefficiencies in that regard. I think his 25+ goals a season would balance it out, anyhow.

I’m more concerned about his notorious lack of motivation and drive. I hate players that take shifts off, or phone it in, which I have seen Kovalchuk do several times as well, and don’t really want them on my team. However, that being said, “beggars can’t be choosers” is spot on. We’re starved for goals, and if he can score 25 while being lazy, I’ll take it.

by NinjasFromSpace on Jul 5, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

We tried snubbing our eyes, but it hurt like hell.

Then we had to buy salve.

by not norm ullman on Jul 5, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

not good in the room. we need more jokesters.

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wellwood has talent. I wonder what he’s up to these days.

Maybe Khristich.

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by 1967ers on Jul 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Counterpoint

I hate his face and he’s stupid.

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by nhlcheapshot on Jul 5, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is going to have a tough time finding a home
my guy tells me he’ll sign a 1-yr. deal for $2.5M
in order to prove that he’s still got it AND won’t be a slacker this time

if he plays well (25+ goals) and isn’t a smackoff
next year he’ll be looking at a multi-year deals for $4M+

but he’ll have to EARN it
and i think he knows that, now

by Diomedes7 on Jul 5, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

who is “your guy”?

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Jul 5, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry!
I meant to say “my gut”
i’m not that well-connected!

by Diomedes7 on Jul 5, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If “your guy” has any credibility and the Leafs don’t offer $2.5/1yr we’re idiots.

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by Chemmy on Jul 5, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m guessing you mean ‘gut’.

Also, you write comments funny.

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by PPP on Jul 5, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s like a poem

"...sometimes I wake up cradling a gourd."

by Fergus30 on Jul 6, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zherdev’s last 3 NHL seasons: 59 G, 92 A, 151 pts, -22.
Ponikarovsky’s last 3 seasons: 62 G, 84 A, 146 pts, +8

How much more would you be really willing to pay Zherdev than Poni??

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by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Jul 5, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

BRING BACK PONY

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by PPP on Jul 5, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

bringing back poni would be a mistake, he’s part of the reason leafs have sucked for 5 years

Trunkulence

by atroller on Jul 5, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea his consistent ability to score at least 20 goals a year really screwed us.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 5, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention solid two-way play. He was never a minus player on some terrible Leafs teams. I’m usually wary of +/- but over 5 years?

by The '67 Sound on Jul 5, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree I think it was great news when he got traded

Trunkulence

by atroller on Jul 5, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually agree it was a good trade as I figured he’d want $4MM and don’t think he’s worth it.

If he craps out and can be had for 2 yrs, $3MM… that’s a different story.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 5, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. Exactly
I wasn’t ready to give him $4M over 4 years, but if comes for the same contract as Armstrong that’s fine by me.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 5, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am surprised at him never being a minus player though, ive never seen solid two-way play from him. Just a lot of invisibility

Trunkulence

by atroller on Jul 5, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think on a losing team familiarity breeds contempt.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 5, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree completely.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 5, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

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by PPP on Jul 5, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rather than as underachieving losers, I prefer to remember guys like Antro, Poni, Stajan, Kaberle and Kubina as good supporting players who were thrust into leading roles by incompetent management. It’s no surprise they failed in those roles and I don’t hold it against them. I hope they find success in their new homes (as long as it’s not in our division).

by The '67 Sound on Jul 5, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can has an amen.

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 5, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally think

Antropov has already achieved that sort of result (even if only for one season), as has Kubina, and I’d like to think Kaberle, Stajan, and Ponikarovsky will continue to find a role elsewhere.

We’ll see how their careers pan out, but I’m definitely not of the opinion that they were sub standard NHL talent. They just happened to be the key cogs in a team that relied on atrocious goal tending and defense for the past 4-5 years.

Is it really the fault of Antropov, Ponikarovsky, and Stajan that the team couldn’t keep the puck out of the net? I find that hard to believe when all three of them regularly posted +/- numbers right around evens.

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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d welcome any of them back (at the right price).

by The '67 Sound on Jul 6, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bring ’em both back. Sure.

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by Chemmy on Jul 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but its their ARC

Zherdev’s last 2 seasons: 49 goals
Poni’s last 2 seasons: 44 goals

Z is 25
Poni is 30

that said, the Leafs could use either/both
and, you KNOW…Poni has better intangibles

by Diomedes7 on Jul 5, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mazel Tov (congratulations) on the wedding Steve :)

I just wanted to say that before I even read the rest of post

by BCapp on Jul 5, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

ya, woot (woot).

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 5, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, so I just got back from camping since Wednesday. What’d I miss?

Because some player nicknames just make sense.

by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 5, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

bobby ryan is a calgary flame

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Jul 5, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like Sutter could get one right for once.

by L510 on Jul 5, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

really? i heard he just overpaid for some stiffs that he already let go?

Because some player nicknames just make sense.

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I, for one, welcome our new authoritarian arthropod overlords.

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by jrwendelman on Jul 5, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

click clickclick CLICK!

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 5, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been under a rock since the 2004 season

what did I miss?

reads 5 years of leafs news

Oh…it’s all happening again….

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by pevans on Jul 5, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Feels that way, huh?

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by Chemmy on Jul 5, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep expectations in check
Expect McKegg to develop into one of the Leafs top 2 centres longer term.

I appreciate the work you have put into summarizing all of the Leafs off season moves, but we really need to try and avoid statements like the above. The reality is, what Leaf fans should expect from McKegg is nothing because that is most likely what he will turn out being. He almost certainly won’t pan out to be a first line center, a second line center is a possibility, but more likely than not he doesn’t become anything more than a fringe player at best. Sorry to put a damper on things, but that is just reality.

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jul 5, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

although i agree we cant “expect” him to do anything, when I read this i immediately thought of Matt Stajan. Both were drafted around the same time, both are roughly the same size, both had 85 pts in the OHL the year they were drafted. What i hope is that the leafs are good enough when it comes time for McKegg to play that a Matt Stajan like player isnt a 2nd line centre

by sodonis on Jul 5, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Stajan like player may be his upside, maybe a little higher if he is allowed to develop correctly (Stajan was rushed). But my point is, we should use the terminology ‘upside’ or ‘potential’ and not ‘expect.’

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jul 5, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alrighty then

I guess what I was saying is … if McKegg is likely to succeed in the NHL with the Leafs, it will need to be on the top 2 lines… which is why I suggested that they should EXPECT him to develop into a top 2 centre long term… if he doesn’t meet expectations they’ll need to jettison him.

I don’t see saying I expect him to develop into a top 2 centre as over-valuing him. I’m not saying he’s a top 2 centre NOW.. I just think if he’s going to make the Leafs, that’s the role it will be in.

Frankly based on the odds of making the NHL it never really makes a lot of sense to say you have expectations of ANY draft pick. Of course, if that were the case, then no player would ever have a problem of failing to meet expectations would they?

I think McKegg’s assets are purely offensive, which means he’s a top 6 or bust… that’s all I was getting at… which is why I OPENED with this paragraph:

Offensively the Leafs 3rd round draft picks have a higher upside in my opinion. Greg McKegg was taken 62nd overall (2 picks after where the Leafs selected Hayes originally) and the Erie Otters centre may yet turn out to be the highlight of this Leafs draft. With 37 goals and 85 points in 67 games, McKegg finished 3rd in scoring for the Otters, and 3rd in the OHL for scoring amongst all players under the age of 18, and 6th in scoring amongst OHL draft eligible players. McKegg was ranked as high as 47th in some mock drafts and this was SOLELY due to his offensive instincts as his physical attributes are not particularly overwhelming.

Context is relatively important, and as much as I can understand taking potshots at individual sentences, I felt I was fairly obviously following through on the whole “he has to be a top 6 player to make the team” line of thinking. I also followed up on the statement you’re analyzing with the caveat:

Assuming his offensive skill continues to flourish, and he gets to continue to test himself against top flight competition, he should improve as his strength and skill work to his advantage.

Either way, I agree Leafs fans (including myself) tend to over-value a lot of our draft picks (see Champagne, Joel). Overall though, I think the Leafs have improved a lot in the scouting and development aspect of the game in the past 4-5 years.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly based on the odds of making the NHL it never really makes a lot of sense to say you have expectations of ANY draft pick.

Generally speaking, I don’t have any expectations from any draft pick (except maybe a handful taken early in the first round), just as I don’t expect to win anything when I buy a lottery ticket. I hope I win something, but I don’t really expect it.

My beef is that most people over value draft picks in general. This isn’t limited to fans and media either. Every time I see an NHL general manager trade two second round picks for a late first round pick I wonder what they are thinking because there really isn’t much value difference between the 25th overall pick and the 35th and yet GMs feel the need to toss in the 48th overall pick to move up from 35th to 25th. Maybe they will get it right and the 25th turns out to be something,but more often than not, I bet that trade doesn’t work out for the best for the team moving up.

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jul 5, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m also of the opinion that more tickets to the dance gives you a better chance of finding the right partner… especially after the 1st round.

I also think for the same reason that it’s silly to value a 2nd round selection a lot higher than a 5th or 6th round selection… once they’ve been selected of course.

The only logical reason I can see to trade up in that instance is to guarantee you get to pick a kid you really like that is likely to go somewhere near the pick you’re trading for. In that case it makes perfect sense to me.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I still have my doubts that anyone really has the skill to identify talent well enough to justify trading two firsts for a second, even if they really like someone in that 25th spot. I am sure they think they do, but I have my doubts that they really do.

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by HockeyAnalysis on Jul 5, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. People read hockey’s future and look at his 85 pts in the OHL and think “OMG. We got a stud in the 3rd round!” Well, there was obviously a reason why no one picked McKegg in the first two rounds. Maybe because of the knee injury, but maybe they have other questions as well. Saying “McKegg has the scoring upside to potentially make the NHL and be a top 6 winger” is a far, far cry from “Expect McKegg to become one of the Leafs top two centers for years to come.”

I can only speak for Leafs fans, but we have this horrendous tendency to vastly overrate our prospects.

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Want to know why Leaf fans over-value prospects? It’s called the endowment effect. Some good examples are here.

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by mf37 on Jul 5, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is really interesting. Have you read his book by chance?

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 5, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Predictably Irrational is the best book I’ve read this year. Full credit to Down Goes Brown, who suggested I read it.

Looking forward to reading his new one, which I have on order at the library.

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by mf37 on Jul 5, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I’ll look for it at the library in town myself. Is it relatively accessible for someone with limited economics background?

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 5, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally. You should be able to find excerpts on-line. His web-site is a great summary of what you’ll find in the book.

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by mf37 on Jul 5, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow. that second piece was very interesting. thanks for the link mf.

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd expect his skills

lend themselves better to the C position than playing on the wing, as he lacks the physical strength to win battles in the corners, he’s more of a play maker, and he’s good at faceoffs… thus I don’t see much point in saying ‘top 6 winger’.

As for using the word “expect” vs. “has the potential to” … I think you’re drawing a fairly fine semantic line. How much does one have to discuss a player’s “potential to” do or become something before they expect that potential to develop? 6 of one or a half dozen of the other I think in the end there’s enough information presented for people to come to their own conclusions whether or not we use the terms expectations, upside, or potential.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW That was the sense that I got from reading your article, it’s not a guarantee, but if this kid is ever going to be a member of this team it’ll be as a first of second center.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 5, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, about the only Leafs prospect right now that I would say I “expect” to be a significant part of the team going forward—in the sense of “more probable than not”—is Kadri. Everyone else is a lottery ticket with varying probabilities of cashing. I never read Steve to be suggesting otherwise.

by The '67 Sound on Jul 5, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st line center? does that mean Kadri isn’t in the picture? like i said, McKegg is gonna be Stajan 2.0 if he pans out

by sodonis on Jul 5, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t mean anything, kid is at least 2 years away from making the jump to the NHL if he can’t play in the top 6 then he wont be playing on the team.

The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jul 5, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

To further this point

for all we know, Kadri blows out his knee within the next 2 years and never really pans out. I’m not saying that’s going to happen, but nothing is a certainty in NHL development.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s 18. there’s no way to predict what his physical peak may be.

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't think there's a correlation

between an 18 year old’s physical development and his physical peak?

That’s illogical.

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- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the player. Tyler Bozak was 5’8 and 160 lbs at 18. Now he’s 6’0 and what, 185? 190?

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

you said yourself that Jimmy Hayes was thought of as a potential power forward in his draft year, yet despite his size, he hasn’t really become one.

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

he was thought of as a potential power forward for a number of reasons… although I don’t know what that has to do with predicting his amount of strength and size.

As for the Bozak comparisons, I don’t think he was 5’8 and 160 lbs at 18… I also don’t think growing 4 inches and adding 40 lbs of weight is NORMAL development for a 19-24 year old.

Most adult males have reached their peak height before the age of 20… there are tables and tables of anthropometric data to back me up on this. Saying that you don’t think there’s a correlation because of a couple of examples doesn’t really remove the correlation.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

so, what you’re saying is that it would be wrong to assume that there is a direct correlation between physical abilities at 18 and at 25 for all adult males. got it.

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um... no

that isn’t at all what I said. Read it again.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's semantics again

he used the word all, which would be technically true. However, assuming a direct correlation for most males would be reasonable.

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by Karina on Jul 5, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said
he’s 18. there’s no way to predict what his physical peak may be.

I questioned the logic that there is zero correlation between an 18 year old’s size and his peak size.

You threw out one name, Karina threw out another… both anecdotal… which doesn’t change the fact that a correlation exists.

Nobody used the word “direct” alongside correlation until you typed it out…

This is a little bit ridiculous.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But yes... either way

there is a positive direct correlation… larger kids at 18 tend to be larger at 24… smaller ones tend to be smaller… this is pretty obvious.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only way you could show there is no correlation

would be to find a spread of data for NHL prospects heights and weights at 18, and their heights and weights when full grown, in which the data was COMPLETELY unrelated.

If you think that is the case, by all means follow up on it and check it out, but I’m more than certain that you won’t find that the height and weight at 18 years old for the average NHLer isn’t an indication of their final height and weight.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh come on, weight at 18 and 24 are going to be incredibly highly correlated. There’ll be the odd kid who has an extremely late growth spurt that jumps around the rankings, and some more who stop growing, but there’s going to be a lot of rank order consistency. Maybe not between 10 and 14 year olds – then you get growth spurts happening willy nilly, but by 18 most people have done most of their vertical growth.

For weight you probably get more variability because you can change your diet and exercise routine and change your rank ordering fairly considerably… though I suspect that among NHL prospects they are all going to be having a moderately optimal diet and exercise program (compared to the normal population), so that will actually remove a bunch of exogenous variance and boost the correlations a fair bit. Your 240 pound 6’4 18 year olds tend not to be caught up with even by the time they are 24.

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 5, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, McKegg is current listed at 6 ft and between 185 and 191 lbs, depending on where you look. That seems pretty average compared to most nhl draft picks. My point was that saying McKegg won’t be good in the corners if he makes the NHL is silly. Looking at his height/weight alone isn’t enough to justify if he can physically battle in the corners, nor is how strong he is now. There is no way you tell me how strong of a player McKegg is going to be in 5 years definitively, or how willing he will be to go and fight for the puck in the corner.

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. We can be reasonably confident that he’s not going to turn into a 6’10 defensive monster, or a 6’6 power forward build like a wrecking ball, but hockey, unlike, say, American football isn’t very strongly differentiated by body types. It’s not like all the small guys are wingers and all the big guys are centers… I’m sure there are SOME patterns, but they’re not very absolute.

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 5, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok then let me rephrase for a moment

To this point, McKegg has gotten where he’s gotten with good vision, hockey smarts, and some slick offensive skills, not a grind it out in the corners style of game.

His weak spots to this point would be his skating, and the fact that he isn’t overly physical, although I will admit that both could have largely been affected by his ACL injury.

If he recovers more completely from the knee injury, and shows some more effort in the weight room, I agree he could add that to his repertoire, and frankly if he does I think that INCREASES his chances of being a top 6 forward with the Leafs.

Either way, I think he’s got some things to work on in that regard.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

a better example is Stalberg.

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by Karina on Jul 5, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes Stalberg

grew a lot more than Bozak did… although he’s still a case of an anomaly growth wise… that isn’t typical.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

the other matter:

Expect McKegg to develop into one of the Leafs top 2 centres longer term

that’s pretty blunt. not much room for interpretation. You talk about having high upside, players with comparable stats, and then this. It seems to be somewhat of a jump.

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for “expect” vs. “potential”, I don’t think I really need to argue this, do I?

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet you are?

I’m finding this to be a fairly obvious case of you being pedantic … largely because we go back and forth on a number of issues. I explained what I meant… you’re either ignoring the explanation, or feigning being obtuse, and I don’t really see the need for either.

I also don’t see why you need more “room for interpretation” when I explicitly told you what I meant.

People make jumps all the time, and you seem to be struggling with how I USED the term expect. As in I expect him to be a top 6 forward on the Leafs if he ever plays for them at all. If he doesn’t pan out… then he’s failed to MEET EXPECTATIONS…. and thus isn’t on the team.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Jul 5, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but you didn’t clarify your usage of “expect” in your article. that’s what I was arguing originally. it wasn’t until later that you clarified your stance.

As for the usage of terms expect/potential/upside, I guess it’s a difference in preferences. I just don’t think yours is right.

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by birky on Jul 5, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that McKegg not being picked in the first two rounds has more to do with the fact that he has a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg.
 Also, all fans overvalue their prospects. It’s pretty much part of being a fan.

by Mirinov's Nose on Jul 5, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still waiting for him to become an enforcer given that one of his punching limbs would have a skate on it.

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by Wan Ihite on Jul 5, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frankenforcer!!

And thus marks the timely demise of Colt 45.

by Sergei Puckizin on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is a case of difference between 'intent' of the author and 'interpretation' of the reader

When I first read this I too thought Steve was being overly optimistic. I can’t EXPECT a 64th pick to become a number 2 NHL center. Wouldn’t he have been picked earlier if it was so likely that I should expect it?

However he has explained that what he was trying to say was:

“I don’t see saying I expect him to develop into a top 2 centre as over-valuing him. I’m not saying he’s a top 2 centre NOW.. I just think if he’s going to make the Leafs, that’s the role it will be in.”

In other words [if he is ever to make it as a Leaf] EXPECT him as a number 2 center.

Does this clear the air?

by BCapp on Jul 5, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bill Barilko is Smiling

This article is an excellent analysis of off-season moves. It shines in a way that makes certain members of the mainstream press appear intellectually slothful. But that pretty much sums it up doesn’t it? Somewhere, somehow Bill Barilko is smiling upon us. For my part I am chuckling.

The only omission I spotted was goaltender Ben Scrivens. We do not know yet how he will stack up against Reimer and Rynnas however he could well be a dark horse.

Keep up the pressure!

by Raja Pakkomielle on Jul 5, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Daniel Brodin sounds like Freddie Sjostrom.

Overall, excellent analysis of the offseason so far.

by Frag on Jul 6, 2010 1:01 AM EDT reply actions  

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Contributing Bloggers

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