The Song Remains the Same
by birky on Aug 15, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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This time tomorrow morning, we'll have a solution to the "Tomas Kaberle Affair". I'm not even going to bother trying to think up anything clever or witty for today's FTB. We all know today is about one guy. If this is his last day as a Leaf, I feel we should take a look back and reflect on what exactly Kaberle has contributed to this organization over the past eleven seasons.
Drafted 204th overall in the 1996 NHL entry draft.
820 career games played.
80 goals, 402 assists, +27.
77 career playoff games.
6 goals, 22 career playoff assists.
4 time NHL All-Star (2002, 2007, 2008, 2009)
3 time Olympian for the Czech Republic.
Second highest scoring defenseman in Maple Leafs history.
Some video highlights and your Sunday links after the jump...
Game 3, 2003 Eastern Conference Quarterfinals. Remember when Kaberle used to jump into the rush like this?
Proof that Kaberle can play defense.
A tribute to #15 (yes, I chose this specifically for the music. Turn those speakers UP)
And, of course, today's FTB wouldn't be complete without the Tomas Kaberle Song
Let's all drink one for Tomas tonight.
Sunday links:
My Take on the Kaberle Situation
LeafsWire with their thoughts on a certain someone.
MLHS with their take.
Kohma looks at a Kaberle in blue future.
Our brethren at Raw Charge wonder if Kaberle would look good in black.
More good stuff over at Vintage Leafs.
Around the league:
NHL research and development camp a step in the right direction
Jason Kay of THN looks at the R&D camp going on at the Mastercard Center for Hockey Excellence in Toronto this week.
Canada tops US to win third straight Hlinka gold
Canada > US according to NHL.com.
One era in hockey is coming to an end
Sleza's take on what looks like the end of Peter Forsberg's career.
Missed your post? Throw it in the comments.
One last thing: Traffic today could be crazy. Let's all try to keep the pics and gifs to an absolute minimum.
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Kaberle stays on the Leafs>Derek Joselin and a 1st.
If that’s the best offer we get then that is fragged. Florida gets a 1st, Grabner and bernier for ballard and this is whats offered for Kaberle. Mind you mike gillis is a moron but come on.
by 6rick6 on Aug 15, 2010 7:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If Andrej Mezaros could get a 2nd rounder, anything is possible.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 15, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d much rather have the 1st and Joslin, I don’t care what Florida got.
by Brad Ackerson on Aug 15, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
According to hockeysfuture Joslin projects to be a 3/4 defenceman with weak skating. Along with a high 20s pick, I’d much rather keep Kaberle.
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
It's been said before
But in 9-10 months when we’re preparing for next offseason, if Kaberle is still a pending UFA, I bet we are all clamoring to re-sign him.
I really hope this all goes down before 11:59pm.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
I dunno
1) I think we have some young guys in our organization that can step in and fill some of the void
2) I’m no longer convinced that a puck-rushing d-man is the most valuable asset in the world. I mean, how many goals does Kaberle generate that a good physical forward couldn’t?
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 15, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Shoooooooooot!!
Thats my Kaberle memory
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 15, 2010 8:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 11 recs
LOL
That and the collective feeling of “huuuunh?” we got when we found out he won the shooting-accuracy event at the All Star Game.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 15, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
kabby!!!
we’ll miss you
"I’m not interested in a five-year rebuild. You say Pittsburgh? Well Pittsburgh picked a ball out of a drum to get Sidney Crosby. Don’t tell me there’s skill there. They won a goddamn lottery."
- Brian Burke a.k.a. Mr. Truculence
Let’s just hope Burkie finds frosty the snow mans old top hat today and there is still some magic in it.
You know
Kabbie does look an awful lot like Frosty
(I think it’s the cheeks)
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Would anyone else be devasted
If Kabby IS NOT traded?
Burke has set all the pieces for a move. Top 4 minutes gone…Lebda…
I would consider it a failure if no trade happens considering the table is so obviously set.
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 15, 2010 9:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn’t be devastated but I would definitely be disappointed. Kaberle is a great player but it’s time to move on, hopefully Burke realizes this and takes the best offer tonight.
by Brad Ackerson on Aug 15, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the fear is if he stays this year he wont resign next year. Kabby has every right to feel a bit burned by the process. When the even more long standing Sundin saga ended we got nothing in return. Although McCabe was a TOTALY diferant situation we got Van Ryn. I think the options now are stronger now then they would be if he was asked (again) to waive the no-trade at the deadline. That is assuming we aren’t in a playoff situation… God lets hope that isn’t the case. Something is better than nothing and things are indeed weak upfront. Its still the Kessel show.
I agree, mostly, and to add to what you’ve pointed out, something has to give on the back end. 8 defenders, especially given the amount of cap space that they take up, is redundant. If Kaberle isn’t the one to go, then someone will have to be shipped out (or Finger burried) for the D to make any sense. Imagine if both Finger AND Lebda were press box regulars! Otherwise someone like Beauchemin would have to be traded – not that I’m against the idea but imagine the return on that deal… I’d rather not…
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by El Monstruo on Aug 15, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
There will be no “burying” of Finger… has anyone buried a contract in the minors and do you really think a player should pay the price of a GM’s mistake? I don’t and I’m sure most GM’s will not make that move. The only way I can see someone sent to the minors is for either conditioning stints and/or lost a spot in training camp. I think its foolish to say just bury him like he is a object.
As for Kaberle and the expression, “time to move on” is just not called for. I’m no Kaberle fan and hope if we trade him it will be something of value coming back otherwise I agree with Burke, we keep him. What other teams are itching to trade away its only legitimate star? No one is. Why are Leafs fans, media, etc so hung up on one of the best players on this team get traded just because “his time has come”? makes no sense to me. I hope some one will explain that logic to me.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
I tried to stress if he has to. If Finger’s contract is preventing us from icing the team Burke wants, then he will be buried. This just hasn’t really happend yet. We aren’t going to bury him to sign Lee Stempniak or Raffi Torres.
I get that you were trying to stress the “if he has to” but I’m saying who ever has in the past send down a good player for no reason and will we really see it happen considering what I said… being a real person, unprofessional and a mistake not of his making? I just don’t buy GM’s looking at that as an option like we do. Either it will happen and they will say he lost his roster spot, sent down for conditioning or the player will approach ask for a trade and/or come out and ask to play even if it means being sent down as they rather have eyes on him seeing he can play than in a pressbox wasting his playing years and no one knowing he can play.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
Its a function of the new salary cap era and inheriting a terrible contract in the midst of a rebuild. Just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it won’t or doesn’t make sense.
Now with 25% fewer operable limbs.
by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 15, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
See Mogilny, Alexander.
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
by Kenjamin on Aug 15, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok so it was Jersey that did that but the excuse was for “conditioning” right? Also wasn’t there some issues with his hip or something that made that make more sense? He retired shortly thereafter too or went to europe? Its not common or likely for a player with no issues sent down just for cap reasons… I think you can have someone waiting to come up because of cap reason, bozak and ryan come to mind but sent down, no one really comes to mind. Is it possible that this scenario may never take place solely because of ethics?
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
Actually yeah, his hip was degenerating so Jersey sent him down
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The Penguins sent Miro Satan to the minors to make room for Guerin and Kunitz at the trade deadline… then we brought him back up for the playoffs. It was 2009 so Satan got to lift the Stanley Cup and I don’t think he was tooooo bitter about the whole thing… though obviously it was awful for him. I don’t know enough about the Leafs to know if they’d consider it, but that’s one way to deal with a cap hit.
It’s time to move on because he is 32 year old soon to be UFA on a re-building team that has too many defensemen and not enough good forwards. Even if the Leafs re-sign him he will almost certainly be looking for a raise and they already have too much money tied up in defense.
The Leafs aren’t to be contenders for at least a few more years, by that time Kaberle will either be past his prime or retired. Why not trade him while he still has some value and get some assets that will help us in the future?
by Brad Ackerson on Aug 15, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the harm is not getting something back that will at the very least produce what he does… even with Kaberle the team finished 29th, what can we expect if the return is less than him? I know without DS (will not soil these hallow grounds with the name of he who never wanted puck marks on his equipment) we should already be improved but how much more or less will it be if we trade or dont trade Kaberle?
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
We are going to have Phaneuf for a full season and hopefully Gunnarsson and Schenn will continue to improve and Komisarek will stay healthy. I think our defense will be better this season with or without Kaberle.
by Brad Ackerson on Aug 15, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Friends, Leafs fans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Finger, not to praise him;
The evil that men do signing bloated contracts lives after them,
The good defensive plays that make are oft interred with their bones,
So let it be with Finger … The noble Burke
Hath told you Finger was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Finger answered it by sitting in the press box …
Here, under leave of Burke and the rest,
(For Burke is an honourable man;
So are they all; all honourable men)
Come I to speak in Finger’s funeral …
He was my friend, faithful and just to me (when he didn’t give away the puck):
But Burke says he was ambitious;
And Burke is an honourable man….
He hath brought many captives home to the ACC through trade and signing,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Finger seem ambitious to sign for $3.5-million?
When that the poor have cried, Finger hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Burke says he was ambitious;
And Burke is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the ice
I thrice presented him a kingly crown to earn his contract,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Burke says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Burke spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason…. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Finger,
And I must pause till it come back to me.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Sorry if it’s too long I got inspired.
Also this is from Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
it gets a rec from me
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 15, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooh green! It’s a pretty colour.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kaberle stays, there are two options….
One, he walks next summer and the Leafs lose him for nothing.
Two, the Leafs sign him to an extension and they have no money add a top 6 forward
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
by birky on Aug 15, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What about the third option
He’s given the right to approach other teams about a trade and/or he waives his NTC.
I’d think with the bad blood that is coming up through the public spectacle of shopping him, Tomas could end up wanting out sooner than next July 1.
"Seen Cincuenta" -- 04.10.10 -- Raw Charge.
by John Fontana on Aug 15, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I won’t be devastated if he isn’t traded, though I think some of the other defensemen on the leafs that don’t have NMCs will be a little uneasy.
If I can't be a good example, then I will just have to serve as a horrible warning...
by CancerousRocket on Aug 15, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll be depressed because my dreams for a top 6 forward will be dashed.
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
I’m still hoping Kadri will come into the season as a 215lb monster and tear shit up, which would alleviate the disappointment of a Kabby non-trade.
That's part of the plan
but the more top 6 forwards, the merrier
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
I don’t know… overly optimistic sentiment coming but say we end up keeping Kaberle, wouldn’t it be great if one of our young unknowns steps up and becomes that top 6 player we need? Who’s to say (again long shot and lots of optimism here) that Caputi steps up and has a break out year, or if not him, Mueller, or even young Jerry, or Kadri? That would be the best thing but again we’re talking Leafs here so…
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
so..
don’t hold your breath.
But I’m still dreaming.
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Optimism
Me: The Leafs are totally making the playoffs this year.
GF: You said that last year…
Me: Yeah, but this year it’ll be different!
That’s how it’s been in my family for the past 5 years..
/sigh
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
eye roll
take out “GF” put in “mother/brother” etc. Anyone except my dad because he believes beleafs too
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
this is one of my favourite kaberle moments
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions
If burke doesnt get it done, then maybe kabs will be approached AGAIN at the trade deadline
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
(E5) I see you mentioned that above parkie
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
So good
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I am going to miss him. He’s a great player, drafted low, and he loves the city. It only seems right that he be a Leaf for life. Unfortunately that is impossible now. I only hope he isn’t a casualty because Burke wants to ensure that any success is gained on players Burke brought in. THe worst part is I fear people will boo him upon his return to the ACC. That would be an absolute disgrace. Also I would hate to be the guy that we trade Kaberle for, talk about pressure.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
There’s no way Toronto boos Kaberle if he comes back on another team.
He isn’t Mccabe, Vince Carter, Chris Bosh, or AJ Burnett. Kaberle wants to stay here and has played great for our team. I can see maybe 5% of the ACC booing him if he leaves as an UFA (a la Sundin).
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be pissed if people boo’d him.
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by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That should fetch us
THAT there, should fetch us a first round pick, a prospect and a player!
by hockeyphreak on Aug 15, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
From the church of Kaber-day saints
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaberlutherans
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
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by clrkaitken on Aug 15, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Please note that the waiting list for this position is approximately the same length as the list for Leafs’ season’s tickets.
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I live!
I’m glad I will be watching Scott Pilgrim then going out for dinner today. I just want midnight to be here.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole
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by blindfolded tank driver on Aug 15, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm goin' tonight!
It’s gonna be friggin’ awesome.
by Marc Pilgrim on Aug 15, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Worth every dollar.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 15, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm assuming that this will remain the open TK thread until something eventful goes down?
DarrenDreger
No improvement on offers for Kaberle. “if these offers are all we get, he’s staying put,” said Brian Burke 5 minutes ago.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Arg… You have to wonder if Burke played the Kaberle cards and the media pitch perfect to drive up his price or it backfired. I guess we’ll see
And maybe he is still working it, mellow out and enjoy the ride
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
It really seems like Dreger is working with Burke to make this deal a big one, that last tweet screams “come on GMs, I want some better offers!”
I approve of this approach…
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
by El Monstruo on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, not so much Dreger, but more Burke just driving up the price.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke totally has an offer he'll accept
he’s just putting on the heat. This isn’t going to be resolved for another 12 hours.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
This is my thinking, I know people were laughing at the Florida offer, but a 1st round draft pick from the Panthers could end up as a lottery pick which wouldn’t be too shabby.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
a 1st rounder from florida could end up being a franchise cornerstone for us one day, id seriously consider that….
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 15, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
…good point, and kaberle will also win the norris and mccabe the sonn smythe
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 15, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
and chad kilger will return to the panthers lineup and win the selke
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 15, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Life sucks
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Hey, don’t forget who Florida’s captain is.
Mr. McCabe, if you have ever seriously loved Toronto, please tank for us. Thank you!
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
I discovered on Wikipedia that Dreger and Nonis are cousins. Didn’t know that before.
by fatassjackson on Aug 15, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
From Burnside
Blockquoted paragraph Toronto GM Brian Burke tells us looking more likely that Tomas Kaberle will remain a Leaf. Could change before midnight Sun. Of course.
@DarrenDreger
It’s going to be a long day/night. Someone is going to make a deadline day offer the leafs will have to seriously consider.
I will have to agree with this (wishful thinking, mainly).
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
by El Monstruo on Aug 15, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It's going to be a long day/night alright..
The way I see it, we have to either move Kaberle or sign him to an extension before midnight tonight. If we don’t manage to do either, the power falls back into his hands, and we’re likely to get screwed in the end. Both Kaberle and his cockbite of an agent were slighted during this process, and both will play hardball if something doesn’t happen today.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Aug 15, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re going to keep Kaberle. Is Kaberle the kid you want? Well we’re going to keep him, so… – Burke
by ShahofToronto on Aug 15, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke sound-bites ftw!
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
by El Monstruo on Aug 15, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what I just realised?
I fucking love this guy. I wouldn’t mind him traded, but I’m not going to be devastated if he stays.
Pumps out more male with one thrust of the pelvis than the United States postal service over the last 146 years.
I think many will agree with you, but still, something will have to give at some point…
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
by El Monstruo on Aug 15, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe there’s something to Burkie’s positioning…
DallasDave Few days ago Stars brass was calling the asking price rich, but I’m hearing the Stars will be making a “significant” offer for Kaberle soon.
That guy
makes up rumours Eklund-style. Same as NHLSourcesSay.
I wouldn’t put any credit to anything that originates from them.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
LET ME HOPE.
Ah, my mistake. Went through his history and didn’t see anything outlandish.
by Bower Power on Aug 15, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
He is slightly less of a fraud than Eklund or NHLSourcesSay, he has gotten a couple things right in the past.
by Brad Ackerson on Aug 15, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
All of them have.
There’s a saying about broken clocks and being right…
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind, they just listed their four in a rather confusing fashion. It is actually a totally sensible list.
I also got very confused by it. I’m like Nazzy and LInden are in the picture, but not mentioned at all in the article? Too early on a Sunday for brain exercises like that.
by fatassjackson on Aug 15, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sensible list, poor explanation. I get they want to show off their knowledge of players that are important to the franchise but may not be as well known to other fanbases, but not even recognizing the accomplishments of Smyl or Linden and just putting their faces in the article – meh.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
Their main criteria, from what I gather from reading the article, was whoever got their jersey’s raised to the rafters they were automatically in.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I seriously think they should’ve put Pat Quinn on here.
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of a cope out, lets list 8! Defeats the purpose I think.
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 15, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
GAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!1
I need something to happen!
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Oh Hai!!!!
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Its times like these i ask myself...
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 15, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
sorry just saw the part about keeping gifs and pics to a minimum
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 15, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
im also of the beleif that you can never have too much wendel
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 15, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I share that belief.
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
by Kenjamin on Aug 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just out of curiosity sake
Whats the lowest youd take for kabby.
Whats the highest you think burke will (REALISTICALLY) get.
What do you think if he is traded that he will get.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Who the fuck knows anymore
I think we’re well passed speculation time. Let’s just wait the next 9 hours or so to see what happens.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
its not happening. Kabby is going to remain a leaf. its time to start thinking of other trades. Our defence is ridiculous right now.
i can get behind that. have Sundin come in and teach him the ropes lol.Seriously though, with Kabby here Its:
Kabby – Phaneuf
Schenn – Beauch
Komi – Gunnar
Lebda /FInger as 7
looks like our young d talent will be ripping up the AHL this year.
for some reason, I keep thinking that Schenn & Komi will be reversed in this situation.
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter
RW will blend ‘em up. As long as we’re all agreed Finger/Lebda will be 7/8 and Phaneuf in top pairing, tough to tell where any of the others go.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If he deserves them
he’ll get them. The one nice thing about having “too many” players in one position. Earn those minutes.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Torture...
I’ve re-watched the Tomas Kaberle song like 5 times already. My life is on hold.
Something happen already!!!
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
The only thing about keeping Kaberle is that if when we try to re-sign him to a new contract he has all the leverage. His side knows Burke has to re sign him so they can jack the price up on the leafs.
Everything
that has come out about Kaberle’s personailty and how this deal was negotiated suggests that Kaberle wouldn’t do that.
There have been four Cups won since the lockout ended, and I got one of them, and it was a fighting team.
Unfortunately
it’s Kaberle’s agent that Burke has to deal with, not Kaberle.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true, it’s hard to say what would actually happen.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
nice to see I rushed home for nothing
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
No deal before 11:58pm! You know if a deal goes down that’s when it’s gonna happen!
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Go lift weights
I always hope the harder I lift the greater I will be rewarded by awesome player returns when I get home. It NEVER works but still I hope.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
i am still far too hung over for strenuous physical activity
and by strenuous i mean anything harder than eating chips and sitting on the couch
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
no true
We’re all here… come on now lets all sing together, Kumbaya!
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
my dreams of a top-six forward who is a left winger are starting to seem like a fantasy (maybe it always was).
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
why exactly? what has changed?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Other than the time?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and posters on MLHS have resigned that Kaberle is not being traded. ;)
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
just wait for the first meaty trade rumour to come out and they will be clamouring for bobby ryan again in no time
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
oh that bobby ryan phase was hilarious.
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
if hasnt ended yet
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
but it has died down….alot.
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well I keep hearing is the best off is picks & prospects…and that won’t help our left wing situation for this season.
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love
picks and prospects.
Still hoping the top 6 forward talk is a diversion, or at least a media-fueled way of amping up offers for a better futures package.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I'd prefer to keep Kaberle...
if the return is less than a top-half 1st rounder and a blue-chipper (projected as top-line F/D).
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well considering we have no proper picks, and very very very few decent prospects, I can see the appeal of that.
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
jeez, the leafs prospect pool isnt that bad
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, I’m just being overtly pessimistic today.
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Counter all pessimism and criticism today
With a lolcat
Sorry, sorry, I know we’re supposed to keep it down with the images.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
I like our LW, D and G prospects, but most are a year or 2 away from even being rookies in the NHL. Not all our top-tier however.
Our C and RW? Not so much.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Kadri!
also Matt MDK Frattin!
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
no, it isn’t
it is probably about middle of the NHL in terms of depth
not too many teams have a high degree of elite blue chipper talent in their ranks
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Mostly because
elite blue chip prospects quickly become regular NHLers.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
forwards: we have exactly one prospect who has the potential to be a first liner, and maybe 4-5 guys with 40-50 points as an absolute max ceiling
defence: 3 guys with 2nd pairing ceiling
goalie: i’m not even comment on this because goalies are headcases
well thats shooting a bit low, but whatever
go find me 15 NHL teams with stronger prospect pools
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
go cheer for another team
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't
but you’re being irrationally negative for no good reason that I can see today.
Always look on the bright side of life, y’know?
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s for the sake of discussion, it can’t all be PLAYOFFS!!!111 all the time because then the site’s basically MLHS
Are you new?
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Who here has said PLAYOFFS!!!11 today except you?
I’m just sayin, it’s not the end of the world, time to grab a beer and let the day unfold.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
you can attempt to be constructive, that might help
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
to (probably mis)quote WAC: “keep it cute or put it on mute”
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
You got ;)
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Because we don’t like people poisoning the well and bringing negativity.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
there is being critical and there is being a negative tool who seems to tailor every single one of his comments into a jab at the team, its prospects or its management and how no sunshine is ever possible no matter what
from your statements you clearly dislike the leafs very much and therefor should cheer for another team that fits your high standards
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPHo72HjzYc&feature=related
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What does where you finish in the standing have to do with your prospect pool? The whole idea of a prospect is that they HAVEN’T hit their potention, meaning they will get better, and so will the team.
TRADED AWAY OUR FIRST ROUNDER RABBLE RABBLE SOMEONE PEED IN MY CORNFLAKES
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It means that even though, say, NYR has a mediocre prospect pool, they still are currently a playoff team. The Leafs on the other hand have probably an average to slightly above average prospect pool and are 2nd last.
Then cheer for someone else, sweets. It seems like you have it all figured out.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
news flash, right now, all the teams are tied for first place
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
uh oh
the tie-breaking criteria are going to be tricky….
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a little inaccurate to say. The Rangers made the playoffs not because they had a great team, but because Henrik Lundqvist was one of the top goalies in the world. That helps a team just a tad.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
and they won as many Stanly cups as 29 other teams last year
none
get the fuck over it
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
28
There have been four Cups won since the lockout ended, and I got one of them, and it was a fighting team.
shhhh
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not about winning the Stanley cup, it’s about being able to remove the team from bottom feeding mediocrity. At the moment, barring some major retooling, I don’t believe the Leafs are able to do so.
THEN LEAVE THE TRIBE.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, because the team has not under gone a massive over haul of players and attitude over a single season totally changing the culture of the team and dressing room
wait..what?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you may wanna concider getting some patience… i’ve heard it’s good stuff
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
uh… doesn’t holding back the kaberle trade to get good offer count as patience?
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
if he gets traded, yes. as of right now, however, it looks unlikely. i’ll be ecstatic if the kaberle trade actually works out and we get some assets instead of likely losing him to free agency
???
Your reply to “Rome wasn’t built in a day” was that’s exactly the problem? Still mad about Seguin, huh? Get over it, we still have Kessel.
by samspade on Aug 15, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’s not entirely about that trade, it’s about our GM’s arrogrance and refusal to admit that the leafs needed to rebuild. instead we signed brett fucking lebda
yeah, depth defensemen are terrible terrible TERRIBLE detriments to teams
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see how signing Lebda to a 2 year deal has anything to do with rebuilding
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
yeah, he might take 6th dman ice time away from a kid who isnt ready to step into the NHL yet!
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto is already the youngest team in hockey. If this is all about the Kessel deal….well, we’ve beatent hat to death
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
i already said it’s not about the kessel deal, but the deal is part of the problem. Burke’s been pretty poor at evaluating talent this year and overestimating the team and it’s cost them a lot
To be fair, I’m pretty sure he didn’t expect Toskala to totally shit the bed last year. And this is coming from a person who restrains himself from bashing Toskala.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not exactly sure what Burke has overestimated besides the goaltending…but that sort of the hand he was dealt. There’s no way to know if he had an opportunity to improve that before the Giguere deal. Other than that, Burke took over a non-playoff team and has swapped out every single player except Kaberle. I think we need to give this squad a little bit of time before we make broad statements about his work as GM. Having Tyler Seguin or whatever wouldn’t be helping this time in the short term anyways
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Burke’s been pretty poor at evaluating talent this year
I won’t argue with you about this point, especially the Toskala fiasco amongst the most damning, but he did get rid of him eventually. And Burke did overhaul this team when he saw an opportunity. The jury’s still out for Phaneuf, but regardless, the Leafs got him for essentially Ian White and Matt Stajan.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Another thing you seem completely unaware of. It was Burke who got Allaire out of Anaheim (which has directly led to Gus, Rynnas and Scrivens signing here), and it was Burke who expanded the Leafs scouting staff to the pointm where it’s now the biggest in the league.
This will take years to pay off, but eventually we will reap the dividends.
by samspade on Aug 15, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you have a point.
time for complete overhaul ROUND 2!!
hopefully at this time next year we’ll have a completely new roster.
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
you missed the last 3rd of the season didnt you?
you know the team that played at a playoff bubble pace as opposed to the one that was sunk by terrible goaltending and injuries?
that was a massive fucking hole to dig out of
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t think there hasn’t been retooling? The whole team was gutted! You know who has played the second most Leafs games behind Kaberle? LUKE SCHENN.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol that is the best hockey stat I’ve ever heard
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
Its fact too. I learned it when I was at the Leafs game with Jared.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
and Kulemin only has like 10 games on Schenn.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And you know i meant current roster right? I omitted that phrase. Oops.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it does
Because to use another team as straight comparison doesn’t work unless you acknowledge why that team is so different from the Leafs.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
That’s the thing, there isn’t a team that you can compare and say, “see? That’s why the Leafs can’t win.” It doesn’t work because the Leafs had such horrible goaltending the last two seasons. That being said, the roster hasn’t been one where it has been constant. Unlike many “contending” teams, teams on the bottom shouldn’t have the same roster year in, year out. We can draw some conclusions, but there’s no way you or I can draw specific cause and effects without the right context. For example, what conclusions can we draw from Chicago with Toronto? That Chicago drafted elite players for two years straight, then lucked out immensely with Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook and the rest of the team?
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Also
in what world is NYR a playoff team? I seem to remember them missing out last year.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe we’re all in dream level 3 and when we get the kick it’ll be 1968 :)
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hoceky futures last ranking put us at 6TH!!!!!! And since then we’ve picked up Rynnas, Scrivens, Irwin and Mueller. Irwin sucks, Scrivens is a longshot, but the others are solid.
Oh, and Jerry “WJC MVP” D’Amigo.
he is pretty fucking good
who is better?
Hall? Seguin?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Kane sure, Filatov is at best AS good a prospect
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe thats last seasons ranking but I could be wrong, not sure they have changed up the organization ranking yet and they also list players who are currently on the Leafs roster.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
That’s the April 2010 ratings… I can’t remember their cutoff, but I’m pretty sure it’s an age-limit thing as opposed to NHL/Minors&Juniors. Might be one full NHL season too.
At a cursory glance, they’re counting Varlamov and Rask as prospects still, both definitely having NHL time.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
Yeah didn’t see the date on it. Not sure when they will update it based on players from the recent draft. I usually consider prospects as players still in the minors.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
but you’re not counting our young NHL players
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
then you are shitty at evaluating hockey talent
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
name me something similar from other teams :D
by hockeyphreak on Aug 15, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
well no one can say who WILL score that many but a good potential to?
Kessel, Vesteeg, Bozak, Grabovski, Kulemin
as for pure prospects, Kadri, Olden, McKegg, Ross
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
wait, grabbo is 26, he doesnt count
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabovski is 26
lol if you think Olden has more than a 10% chance to even make the NHL
Ross would be lucky to have point totals close to Avery
Kulemin’s almost done developing; I’d be shocked if he was able to improve at a level even close to what he did this year
so not all of those
but probably not “exactly one”.
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
you spend too much time playing EA sports hockey, and not enough time watching real hockey…
This is my signature.
by blurr1974 on Aug 15, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you said POTENTIAL
and I am choosing to see their HIGHEST potential threshold
if you can be dumb ass negative, i can be dumb ass positive
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you may be having a bad day and projecting misplaced negativity onto the Leafs right now.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
also, grabovski is 26
i dont know if someone mentioned that yet
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Kessel, Bozak, Versteeg, Kadri, Grabbo (ok ok he’s 26), D’Amigo, Kulemin all could get 50 points? Not necessarily next year.
Our other prospects are either too unknown (Mueller) or too young (Ross, McKegg) to project that far.
How many teams have 7 players who get more than 50 points in a season? Maybe SJ and Washington?
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
I still think Phaneuf (25) has a shot at returning to form. 50 points might be high but with top line pairing and PP time it’s possible 15 G 35A isn’t out of the question.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
last year SJ had 6
wash 7
chicago 5
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm losing faith in Burke
“July 1st will be our draft”
Signs Colby Armstrong and Brett Fucking Lebda
“Free agents are like finding a wallet”
Has 50 contracts, is 2nd last, has no high end prospects
“We want a shitload of stuff for Kaberle”
overplays hand, has 2 1/2 scoring forwards, loses Kaberle in free agency
Blame autoformatting.
In Lou We Trust: Continuing a saga no one really cares about
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly
by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean blizame auzotfizormating?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Fo shizzle ma nizzle.
In Lou We Trust: Continuing a saga no one really cares about
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly
by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Know’m sayin?
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Where’s Randy when you need him? I need to order half a dozen half eaten cheeseburgers
In Lou We Trust: Continuing a saga no one really cares about
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly
by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 15, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Mother cussers with guts like that are definitely not off the cheeseburgers, mother cussers with guts like that are definitely ON the cheeseburgers.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
u cost us 93 stanley cup, u have NO say in on mr. burke!
by hockeyphreak on Aug 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
dear god, will people get off the over played hand thing? it isnt too late yet
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Going to watch Tennis is not consistent with truculence
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sure there are other people who work for him!
by hockeyphreak on Aug 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Like PPP for example.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever.
I don’t care what the hell he’s watching so long has he gets a good deal by 11:59.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
/agree
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The negativity isn't really helping.
Can we at least wait until midnight to freak out?
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering what Ballard got for Florida, the Leafs should expect at least a top level offensive prospect and a first round pick
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Meh
I doubt we get what Ballard got. He wasn’t being shopped. I think Kaberle is better, but will probably not get that level or return (plus the 1st round pick was pre-determined, and those are worth slightly less than when a 1st round pick could be ANYTHING)
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Counterpoint A: Dion Phaneuf.
Counterpoint B: Getting rid of Blake and Toskala in the same trade.
"My country is the world, my religion to do good" - Thomas Paine
by article1 on Aug 15, 2010 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Counterpoint B: Getting rid of Blake and Toskala in the same trade and getting something of value in return
That trade cheers me up every time I think about it.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
That trade was a work of art.
"My country is the world, my religion to do good" - Thomas Paine
by article1 on Aug 15, 2010 6:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why the fuck does every single person who quotes “July 1 will be our draft” ignore the fact we traded for Versteeg at 10:30 pm on June 30?
If that trade went through 2 fucking hours later, that line would be meaningless
Resident Capologist
To counterpoint the July first line implies almost singularly that there would be tons of FA signings. The versteeg thing could have happened any time in the offseason.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
I have obtained this picture of Cox from the Rogers Cup.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the pieces all fit...
To LA Kings:
- Tomas Kaberle
To Toronto Maple Leafs:
- Dustin Brown
- 1st Rnd Pick
- Ice Cream Sundae
DONE DEAL!!!!1
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a lifetime supplies at Dairy Queens
by hockeyphreak on Aug 15, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
supplies? Are they giving back to the fans too?
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Problem with leaf fans
There are overly optimistics and very pessimistic… those who live in reality are like diamonds, hard to find
by hockeyphreak on Aug 15, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yo
sup.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
KABERLE FOR BOBBY RYAN! y’know where i fall ;) lol
by hockeyphreak on Aug 15, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
psh
KABERLE FOR THE CANADIAN OLYMPIC TEAM!!
except heatley
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
KABERLE FOR THE CANADIAN OLYMPIC TEAM!!
exceptheatleysan jose’s first line
by hockeyphreak on Aug 15, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, marleau and thorton are terrible
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
but reality sucks
/goes back to celebrate olympic gold 2006
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
hahahaha
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
wow grats on the gold!
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to refer to us as “People who hope for the best and expect the worst.” You look up, unconditional love in the the dictionary and you’ll have a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jersey looking like he got socked in the stomach
by Ghostsof on Aug 15, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a rec’ing for truthulence.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree
i find most Leafs fans to be the type too fearful to look silly for trying to remain positive…
This is my signature.
by blurr1974 on Aug 15, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Counterpoint
How can we look in anymore silly in the eyes of the haters than to still be fans after all these years?
you mean to say
it’s silly to root for your team, and you think it’s OK to switch allegiances?
This is my signature.
by blurr1974 on Aug 15, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh dear god no
I couldn’t imagine cheering for another team, and I’d be pissed as hell if the guy who talked shit to me about being a fan jumped on the bandwagon when (Not if, When) we win it all. I was reffering to how we apparently appear to others.
This is like the trade deadline but worse.
Although the fact I haven’t heard Pierre McGuire’s voice in months goes a long way.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
From James Murphy (ESPN)
The Ottawa Sun claimed that Savard wouldn’t be part of any Kaberle deal, but sources again told ESPNBoston.com that the Bruins were pressing hard to acquire the defenseman.
(emphasis added)
Pressing hard’s got to be a good thing, right? RIGHT?!
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
colboun and our first back!
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
And Rask! And the Sequined kid!
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
The Bruins got Toskala back?
In Lou We Trust: Continuing a saga no one really cares about
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly
by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 15, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Rask and Sequin back from them for Kaberle
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
You were talking about some sequined kid, so i assumed you were talking about Vesa Toskala. He does like sequins, doesn’t he?
In Lou We Trust: Continuing a saga no one really cares about
"Pfft, Wii’s where it’s at. *Swings toy plastic racquet, separates shoulder"- RudyKelly
by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 15, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
and expensive
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hes over rated.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
thus the expensive pay day
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Its cool. Lucic and a draft pick seems like a fair return for Kaberle though.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
most players have more or less crappy season at some point
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
i’m perfectly fine with players having their one and only crappy season immediately prior to being traded to the leafs and continuing to improve exponentially :)
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
geez and I thought I was a pessimist.
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry bud
tone doesn’t carry well in these comments. it was joke.
cheers.
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Jared is conducting this round of interviews.
Also, I just did a mini fist-pump at my joke being quoted.
Resident Capologist
I’m totally going to be using it when needed.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
...
i think everyone has to right to feel as fucking depressed as they want but at the same time there’s no need to screw others’ mood
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
One more year!
Could be worse...
We could be fans of the Flames
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
jokinen-turtle washes your pessimism away!!
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
(hopefully)
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
I think we’re all forgetting there is a good reason he was made available. Offseason and Captaincy makes us forget that.
He’s going to need to return to his former glory.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a bad season last year due to injuries but people seem to forget how young he is and that he is still developing. I’d take him for Kaberle in a second.
by Brad Ackerson on Aug 15, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too
Lucic may dress like a man (seriously, he works the sweater vest fierce), but until he can show more scoring touch, he’s an overpaid 3rd liner right now.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
4 Million per year
That is all.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
you need a drink
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm all for parity
But haven’t we help Boston enough already?
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
yeah, they fought once so they must hate each other
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
they get so excited when they see each other, they start slapping and punching each other
by hockeyphreak on Aug 15, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It works when you iron!
Elsewhere, your mileage may vary.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I once saw Kaberle at the theatres once
I noticed because he was wearing a long black coat, a red scarf, and had his rosy cheeks. I don’t think he shaved off his unibrow just yet that time. That was a fun night because I was the only one who noticed and made a comment where nobody backed me up.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
you should’ve said hi
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In hindsight, yeah I missed the boat
But I’m not a big fan of “disturbing” athletes when they’re out in public. The last thing they would want to do is discuss about sports with ravenous fans. I wanted to respect Kaberle’s wish to blend in the crowd and watch Lord of the Rings in peace.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Yeah I’m the same way. I’ve seen Ohlund and Sittler; didn’t say hi either time.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yep its 4.08pm where Burke is right now (Toronto)
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
he’s watching the Rogers Cup.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yes and hes watchin tennis whherever thats being held
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a bit of a rain delay. I was definitely worried about that keeping him from getting back to his office.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
si
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me, or as time passes by on the Kaberle deadline, I kinda want him to stay….
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
I want it to end and for Leaf fans to stop jumping the fucking gun that Burke has already blown it
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we’re going to miss the little fella if he goes
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
if we didn’t miss him, he wouldnt be worth trading
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed!
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
My favourite Kaberle story
was when he was a rookie way back in the day, and he was playing in a tight game in the 3rd peiod and took a retarded penalty and the opposing team scored on the PP to win the game. In the box there was teenage Kaberle crying his eyes out because he “lost” the game for the team. That was the day I became a Kaberle fan
Please don’t use retarded in that manner. As someone with a sibling who has severe mental and physical disabilities, its never nice to hear that world tossed about.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Its fine, just be aware of words.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
In real life
Kaberle isn’t a little fella. He towers over most people, which shouldn’t surprise me, but it did.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
ya!
i met him in a bar once (after they swept ottawa in the playoffs). he’s a big guy.
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I must say, he actually intimidated me. Sweet guy, but most athletes are huge specimens.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Fuck genetics.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
thats probably a psychological side effect of the fact that there’s a good chance that we might end up keeping him.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If he stay’s, I’m buying his jersey fo’ sho’.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
From the argument above, I’ll throw in my two cents.
Is the Leafs prospect pool really that good? Probably not. The reason why HF has us so high is because, according to their qualifications, Bozak, Gustavsson, and Gunnarsson are still prospects. In truth, beyond Kadri, everyone else is a question mark. But that’s exactly what we have. A pool full of guys who could go either way. I’d say we have a deep pool, but it’s really tough to predict from that group who will emerge as a talented NHLer.
It doesn’t matter if you’re glass half full or empty, it’s probably too soon to be making bold statements about how great or terrible our prospect pool is.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I’d say it’s improved from previous years, but there’s still room for improvement, we really need more high-end prospects that you typically get at the first 2 rounds of the draft.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
At the same token
Prospects change. The outlook on many of the Leafs prospects were admittedly low, and only recently has Bozak, Gustavsson, and Gunnarsson been upgraded. We’re still seeing this with recently signed D’Amigo. HF isn’t the most accurate site, nor are they reliable because they don’t always have stable team writers. The problem with hockey I find is the lack of prospect sites to balance HF.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
The guy was making the argument that the Leafs prospect pool sucks. I use the HF ranking as a counterpoint. For the first time in a while, the Leafs have a pretty decent prospect pool.
the leafs prospect pool is probably around league average. the problem is that the team currently is not
last years team was not, this coming seasons team is much much much different than the one that hit the ice last september
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
(i am optimistic)
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Look we all mostly beleaf in Burke that he will have this team going in the proper direct under his guidence. If trade Kabby and get a decent return, then fine. If we don’t hopefully Kabby next year plays his ass off kinda saying “Ohh and you wanted me away, but I’ll resign because I love Toronto so much” I really doubt we’ll be doing anything less then fighting for a playoff spot come March 2011. I have hope and faith in this team and really all the negativity needs to go. We aren’t Edmonton, we aren’t the Islanders. We’ll be a better team next year and for years to come.
I think
she was referring to one specific negative nancy.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
L510 and I are on the same page. Note:
I have hope and faith in this team and really all the negativity needs to go. We aren’t Edmonton, we aren’t the Islanders. We’ll be a better team next year and for years to come.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 15, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kaberle stays...
…and Burke can’t re-sign him, then Burke fails here. If he’s a Maple Leaf tomorrow morning, then the wait starts all over again; the wait for Kaberle to re-sign.
If he doesn’t get traded today, I fully expect Burke to work his balls off and sign Kaberle to a long-term extension right away.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Burke has a deal on the table he’ll take right now, but it’s a fall back plan. That stuff earlier today from TSN sounded like Burke using the media as his pawns.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Hey it worked last year at the draft!
Wait a minute…
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
But...
…is Kaberle going to go for that? If he wants another no-trade, will Burke give it to him? I can’t see him accepting a conditional no-trade again. Is he sour on management now, and ready to move on? That’s my concern.
That's a concern for another day then
It’s a deadline for Kabby’s trade deadline, but it’s not the end of times for the Leafs and Kaberle. Both sides have a year left of hockey to mend any broken fences and whatever differences they may have incurred. I don’t worry too much about that potential state.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Kaberle will probably get something like a 1 or 2 year no trade, and then he’ll have to give a list of 5 or 10 teams every yar (like Komisarek, if im not mistaken)
yar
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yarr!!
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Did I just see Jared catch a typo? Unpossible!
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
or it is just joey N throwing up a smoke screen of his own!
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
damn right i do
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
it doesn’t surprise me
Niewy hasn’t exactly been Yzerman out there since becoming GM. He’s done nothing to improve the Sharks.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be worried for the Stars if Joe has been trying to improve the Sharks all this time!
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha!
I’m not judging Niewy at this time, poor guy inherited a team with financial troubles, until things don’t get settled I’ll give him a free pass. Plus it doesn’t help when your old employer/mentor keeps stealing the free-agent prospects you go after.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I was sad to see him leave the Leafs but who can blame him? A GM job is a GM job.
Meanwhile there’s a bit too much Yzer-love for my taste at the moment. Let’s see how his team actually performs before we anoint him Tampa’s Messiah.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
At Kaberle's next game at the ACC..
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
by Kenjamin on Aug 15, 2010 5:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
At Kaberle's next game at the ACC..
I hope he gets a prolonged standing O no matter which end of the ice he warms up in.
The guy has been awesome in so many ways since he became a Leaf that anything less would be just plain unappreciative.
Stay or go, the guy’s a class act and his 2010-2011 club will be lucky to have him.
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
by Kenjamin on Aug 15, 2010 5:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
So
If I read one more tweet from a fan (either of the Leafs or otherwise) saying Kaberle is overrated, I’m building a shrine to him and buying a new t-shirt from NHL.com to wear around everywhere.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 5:59 PM EDT reply actions
I was going to say this is getting ridiculous but I think we crossed that bridge hours ago..
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The needle has moved all the way to ludicrous by now.
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
by Kenjamin on Aug 15, 2010 6:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
to ludicrious speed!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
“That ship must have hyper jets!”
“Well what do we have? A Cuisinart?”
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
They’ve gone to plaid!
You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon
by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
6 more hours
until we can say, “Yes! At least another year of a great defenceman on our team.”
Or are we spinning it a different way?
No, that sounds about right.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The Kaberle story just got bumped off by the Jays. This could be the low point of my summer.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I keep it on Tsn.ca/nhl and skip the sports I don’t care about like, basketball.
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 15, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
When are they going to get to the fireworks factory?
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Uh, hi, Mr. Burke. I’ve been doing some thinking, and I’ve got some ideas to improve the team. I got it right here. One, Kaberle needs to be traded, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Kaberle’s not being traded, all the other players should be asking “When is Kaberle getting traded”? Three…
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Damn your hope inspiring block quotes!! lol
I thought it was a dreger tweet…
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
You better be rooting for Team WWE to beat The Nexus or else we’ll ban you.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
The WWE has to beat a free-floating space anomaly (from a mediocre-at-best Trek movie) in, when you enter it, all of your dreams come true?
Pshh, good luck.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Vintage Randy Orton!
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
but the nexus sounds kewler
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Where can I find some patience?
I think I’m running out.
And my z button isn’t working
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Give it 5 minutes to load properly and it’ll work.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The page is loaded, it’s still not working. It’s been working on and off for the past couple of days
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Firefox or IE?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Mine is doing the same thing. It’ loaded, but it still takes a few minutes before it’ll work. That’s why I said “load properly” for lack of a better explanation as to why it won’t work at first.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been waiting for a while. It works when one comment is already in focus (like when you press the notification for a new comment), but not otherwise.
PPP customer service is awesome :)
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
It seems like it’s only on this thread, others are working fine.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it works at Pensburgh too.
Too many comments..?
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
New tagline for PPP?
Pension Plan Puppets: A place where Leafs fans can over-comment on things that probably won’t happen.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
or will they?
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Dun dun dah...
C’mon Burkie!!
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
That's it
There is going to be a big announcement:
Our new second line Left winger will be….. Tomas Kaberle.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
DarrenDreger
One team from each conference still in the hunt for Kaberle. Sources say there’s still a chance he gets traded tonight, but not likely
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
Just told by trusted source that Tampa Bay appears to be leader for Tomas Kaberle if he gets traded.
two things
first – i realized today that if tomas were to hypothetically play another 5 seasons for the Leafs, he would retire as the player to play the most games for the Leafs, with a little over 1200. that would be awesome.
second – i dislike negativity as much as anyone (maybe more), but we can’t be selective about who is and isn’t allowed to be critical around here. if chemmy and MF37 can be negative and critical, why can’t kerryfraser?
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
kerryfraser needs to bring up valid points. That is the only reason he is getting harped on.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s concerned that the 2nd worst team last year only has an average prospect pool. i disagree, since the team that finished the season last year is very different than the one that started it, so it’s not fair (in my opinion) to hang the ‘2nd worst team’ on them. but still, his point isn’t ‘invalid’, and is actually factually correct. the Leafs finished 29th, and have probably an average prospect pool. i don’t think he should be told to leave the tribe, cheer for another team, etc.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I can string a bunch of unrelated facts together myself.
Stating we don’t have a good prospect pool and we finished 29th in the league last year means nothing. Also, only one of those is a fact, the other is an opinion.
If he wants to piss on the Management(which he has every right to do) state your opinion with facts that actually back up said opinion.
Most of his criticisms were thinly veiled bashing.
I have defended people here who have criticized the Leafs, as long as they do it in a way that makes sense.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, a pretty big distinction between being negative and critical.
I don’t often agree with mf37, but he brings up valid concerns and his facts are usually well researched. My biggest issue is in how he interprets them.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought alot of his points were valid… I didn’t agree with everything he wrote but there was alot that i did.
Kool as KuKumbers Kulemin.... I don't believe in C's, but I do believe in Semin 2011.
As did I
But he just has to do a better(?) job of responding to some of the concerns that were brought forth. I’ll admit that I’m not a big fan of people simply saying, “Leave”. That’s not very constructive and it makes this site feel very elitist and exclusive.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
’ll admit that I’m not a big fan of people simply saying, "Leave". That’s not very constructive and it makes this site feel very elitist and exclusive.
Agree – but considering the mood of Leafs fans in general right now it is probably better to think through your responses carefully – poking the bear when it is in a bad mood and you will get clawed. Discretion is important sometimes.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The guy was clearly frustrated with the team and was venting i guess……..again, telling someone to leave just because they disagree with your opinion is crude
Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!
Actually, I believe the actual terms of this blog is something to the effect of continued negativity is not acceptable.
I agree, though, the way it was presented was in a few cases very heavy-handed.
Again, frustration levels are high.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The continued negativity can be grating for sure, but I just find it’s hard to argue a different point (as flawed and non-sequential they were) when some of the responses are just as negative and harsh.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Problem is, the way he presented his ‘arguments’ made it difficult to respond to, as unfocused and random as they were.
Hard to argue a point against an argument that hasn’t been made very well.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Last point I'll make about this in a Kaberle thread
Oh, I’ll agree to the non-saliency of the arguments that were laid out before. I can’t even really defend the guy because he neglected to answer most of the follow-up responses. But I think we’re all guilty, one time or another, not to be the most welcoming of members when someone strays from common ideology. That’s all I’m saying.
It would help, of course, if I had a better example to use.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
yup. I ripped into Jonny Bower’s Pokecheck pretty bad one day near the end of the season.
Jonas lost in a shoot out and he came out ranting about how Gustavvson is ‘Toskala Junior’ and some other stuff.
I was not very nice.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I was more in the
Don’t worry be happy category.
Problem is when you show up later and read through the comments in a non-chronological way (an unfortunate side effect of the tabbed commenting system of SBnation), you don’t see that there was just a bunch of comments in a row that were negative for the sake of being negative, without any solid commentary on what SHOULD be done, just bitching that we’re pretty much fucked for life.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m almost always in the ’don’t worry be happy camp’. and you’re right, it’s definitely not the same going back reading comments after the fact.
but i still don’t think it’s constructive or necessary to tell someone to leave/find a new team, just because they’re down on the team. no one told chemmy that after the trade deadline when he predicted the team wasn’t going to win another game the rest of the year (or something ridiculous like that).
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
agreed
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree, but at the same time most of us know that Chemmy loves this team and is just blowing off steam, it’s hard to know what the attitude of someone less familiar is. Not that it’s an excuse to go off on someone, but I think there’s a difference.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Only a person truly infatuated with a team would continue following it when said team blows……..if a person didn’t care about the team they wouldn’t complain about its state………I’m sure i wouldn’t like it if someone told me to forget about the Leafs just because i’m unhappy with the direction
Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!
True, but I would be unhappy with someone constantly bringing up a string of complaints and doom and gloom.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well A: Chemmy’s one of the people running the site. B: of course it’s easier to side with somebody you know over somebody you don’t know. I don’t have the cred of some of the regulars here but by and large I feel comfortable enough to come on here and blather on about my opinions. I didn’t agree with kerryfraser’s comments today but I also didn’t agree with people telling him to “leave the tribe.”
This community is better than that.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
I wasn’t one of them, but it was probably over-the-top counter-frustration to the negativity.
Just been one of those days I guess. Kinda like the day after the Lebda signing haha.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s all about the he says she says bullish.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
its all about whats best for our beloved maple leafs. We are frustrated because we care <3
Kool as KuKumbers Kulemin.... and hopefully Kadri.
I think
You’re missing a Limp Bizkit reference.
"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"
i thought ppl stopped listening to limp bizkit 10 years ago?
Kool as KuKumbers Kulemin.... and hopefully Kadri.
We’ll never forget.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
My suggestion… is to keep your distance. Because right now I’m dan-ger-ous.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re like a chain saw?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll skin your ass raw.
And if my day keeps going this way I just might…
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
well
I did…. (tell chemmy)
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I stand my my comments, over the top and harsh? Yup, probably, but when someone is being purposely obtuse and every single comment comes off as “everything is horrible forever and your stupid if you think this team can be salvaged” than I reserve the right to take the low road. I am not above sinking a level or two, especially when I am pissed off and tired
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am downright pee O'd
I was a firm beleafer in the" trade Kaberle for anything idea".
Now that he is staying I know sure as shoes that he will NEVER have any type of movement clause in a future contract. If we sign Kabby to an extension he will be a guaranteed Leaf for the duration of the term. That is for shizzle.
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 15, 2010 9:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
it’s not midnight yet
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not over yet
and of course being Leaf fans we’re about ready to make mountains out of molehills – but ya today didn’t inspire a great deal of enthusiasm that’s for sure.
I know it’s loser talk to say this now – but sometimes the best deals are the ones that AREN’T made.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what "jokes" haven't gotten old yet at all?
Ones like this:
CouchTarts
I’m calling it now. Trade Kaberle for kaberle and KAberle. In return, the Leafs will receive kabERLE.
So fresh. So creative. So value-added. Also hilarious. I’m barely sick of them at all.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
This is just as fresh as the Lady Antebellum song – I could really listen to that another bazillion times.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
+10000000000000000000000000
NO MALONE!!!!!!!!!!!
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
we did know that one of the real possibilities with getting a top6 forward might be taking on a player with a bad contract…. I didn’t really want it to be this one though.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh boy
Malone rumours picking up again. Of all the GMs I did not want Burke to end up having to deal with it was Yzerman.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
If Malone is the centerpiece then
Like the Olympics, I think Burke would come out second best in this exchange.
Anywho, I am gone. My phone will tell me if anything happens.
See everyone tomorrow, post Kaberlegate
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 15, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry. Stevie is a bright fellow, but Burke could skate figurative circles around him in the hockey analysis department right now
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
This.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 15, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no doubt
not his hockey analysis or management skills I’m debating, just the situation Burke is in. Yzerman knows it, and knows he likely has some degree of leverage.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The benefit of doubt Yzerman gets as a first time GM is frankly ridiculous. As such, I’m not too worried if Burke had to make a deal with him or anyone else for that matter.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Getting Gagne for free
and getting a 2nd for Meszaros did wonders for his credibility. Dan Ellis signing was good too. Jury’s out on his St. Louis’ extension.
Still, he’s crafted a decent top 6. I always think Tampa is going to surprise to the upside though and i’m always wrong haha.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
crafted a decent top 6?
Gifted is more like it.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
ya you know what I mean.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Gagne, but I don’t know if he’s ever going to be fully healthy anymore. He wasn’t that important to the Flyers this past season, and I suspect they had to get rid of him now in case the Flyers wanted to get someone at the trade deadline next year.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Yeah I’m sick of hearing about how awesome a GM Stevie Y is. Seriously, was the Dan Ellis signing that much better than Antero Nittymaki in SJ? Or even Turco in Chicago?
Getting Gagne and Kubina were good moves, I agree.
Yes yes okay
He’s getting way too much love as a new GM.
But wow, Holmgrem really did some questionable shit this offseason that makes Stevie look like a genius in comparison.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Holmgren did that bad a job, too be honest. Philly’s defense is going to be REALLY good next year, and Zherdev is a damn good replacement for Gagne.
Also, they aren’t necessarily done. They could dump some more contracts and still get a goalie (ie Niemi). Watch out for that.
I'll believe it when I see it
I think they’re done for the offseason.
Zherdev was a “good” signing in terms of the contract, but his signing essentially pushed them over the cap and forced them to trade Gagne for next to nothing. I don’t think the need for 8 d-men was warrented either. And they didn’t get any goalies and are sticking with Leighton/Boucher.
All lateral moves at best, IMO.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i think GM of the off season goes to tallon, dude just stacked that team with picks and prospects at the draft
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
he recognized exactly what the team needs, a complete rebuild from the ground up, and he went out and did it. Contenders? No, but did a great job restocking the shelf.
Despite Chicago’s shitty shedding of salary, I think the Blackhawks did a damn good job of keeping their core intact as well. I think they maybe shouldn’t have matched the Hjalmmerson offer, but other than that I can’t really say they’ve made many mistakes given their situation.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
it was smart to keep Hjalmer over Niemi but yah, his contract is gonna be hard to swallow in a year or two
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They got "lucky"
that Turco was willing to wait the entire offseason just to see the outcome of the arbitration.
*Note: by lucky, I mean they probably convinced him to wait and promised an offer.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they’re still contenders. Who did Chicago really lose not to be pegged in the top 5 of the Western Conference?
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
I think you misread my comment
I was saying Florida isn’t contenders, Chicago definitely still is.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, gotcha. My mistake. Hard to keep up when you mention Chicago, while the “he” pronoun doesn’t refer to anything you specifically said.
Supporter of the Sergei Berezin "Give and Go" - You give me puck, then you go to hell
Heh ya
sorry I was referring to Jared’s comment I responded to.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Who’s the best player they’ve lost so far? Versteeg (wooh Burkie), and Stalberg will probably be able to score 15-25 as a depth player on that team (as opposed Versteeg being a premier player on this team).
They’ve still got a wicked defensive corp, the kind that could make Turco look like a Vezina nominee. And they’ve still got the best parts of their forward corp. As long as they bury Huet (or pay someone a bunch of picks to take him) the Blackhawks will still be contendr’s next year.
See above
I think you misread my comment
I was saying Florida isn’t contenders, Chicago definitely still is.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take Malone, as long as it’s not Malone alone. We better be getting picks and/or prospects for that shit contract.
I would like a pick at least, for giving Yzerman the flexibility in his roster.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed. I like Malone at about $1.5mil less but if we get a 1st or 2nd and a good prospect that Id deal with it.
Ya but
I’m getting the sick feeling it won’t be that lucrative for us.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Could be.
Malone seems like a very Burkian player. He and Armstrong were once Sid’s wingers. This just mean’s we’ll get Crosby too!!!!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
UFA
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
mirtle
Lightning is trending in Canada. I don’t know if that’s because of what’s happening outside or the Kaberle scuttlebutt, though.
FYI its thunderstorming in Toronto in case that doesn’t make sense.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Ryan Malone
Acquired: From Pittsburgh with Gary Roberts in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft on June 28, 2008.
..better be gettinh some picks also
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
Ryan Malone has a no move clause in his contract. As of 9 pm est, Steve Yzerman has not approached Ryan to wave it for any potential deal.
Kyper said something useful!
I'd trust capgeek.
Plus it’ll be hilarious if Kyper has to backtrack now after making that tweet.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess he was right
@JonJordan: Hearing that Malone DOES in fact have a no-trade and, as of now, will not waive.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even know who that is.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a trade for their rights before they went FA. Tampa managed to sign them both before July 1st.
by McCabe the Martyr on Aug 15, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ahh k
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
wooo no work tonight, that means i can live out the end of kaber-gate in the comfort of my own house
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
do you have beer?
I’m debating between beer and Rye & Ginger.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
scotch
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
don’t have any
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
go get some, your booze stores should still be open
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I just hit refresh on TSN
And then on here, and as it was reloading, I was thinking “wait a minute…”
you’re saved!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
by the bell
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
/schwing
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
My twitter! http://www.twitter.com/tangerinedream9
by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely almost off topic but you know who also aged insanely well? The chick Jesse(John Stamos) was married to in Full House. Saw an interview with her about something a week ago and sweet zombie attack zambonis was she still hot.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Pictures
or she doesn’t exist.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything’s fantastic except for those abs… they scare me!
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy abs batman
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i’d hit that
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
…across the abs with a 2 X 4 and it would break in half and she’d laugh and laugh.
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
haha like jaws in a james bond film
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
…she does have some pretty impressive chompers too.
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If you scroll it up so just the abs are on the screen
It looks like a dude…
If I can't be a good example, then I will just have to serve as a horrible warning...
by CancerousRocket on Aug 15, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna bust this one out
From 08
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
yeah
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
so that people can minimize them.
it also clogs up the system when there’s a ton of pictures, so if people can minimize them it’s easier
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
As an example to laser click on the black title of any of the pics and see what happens.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Oh, I get it now
In that case, sorry.
So I need to title the post itself, or do I add in coding to the pic?
Almost without exception
It allows you to click on the title and shrink the picture.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
also, kimmy gibler got hot
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
not smokin
but hot
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe she has
a really hot personality.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
wait
are you saying no?
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that many nos mean yes.
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the one on the right is cute..
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
got a little bit of a giraffe neck but…meh
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
bit of giraffe face too.
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe im looking at it in a “compared to how goofy looking a kid she was way”
but i find her attractive
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
chacun a son gout.
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno i wouldnt call that ugly..
disturbingly perky perhaps
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides
Everyone knows Jodie Sweetin is the hottest one anyway.
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who was that, stefanie?
didn’t she turn into a meth head or something?
this post has gone way off the rails.
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wasn’t complaining, just observing. i love that a thread about kaberle now has pics of kimmy gibler and talk about stefanie being on meth and getting a boob job. hilarious.
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Unique New York
Unique New York
Unique New York
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
the arsonist has oddly shaped feet
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
My hovercraft is fuull of eeels.
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
she got a boob job
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not taking guff from the guy who thought the Gibler was hot.
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you’ll take that guff and you will like it
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
In the
“thou doth protest too much” kinda way.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimmy no, Stephanie the middle one is hot though. She got addicted to meth, got huge boobs, then pumped out a kid though.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
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Even so, her recent pics are still very good. I like that she got her life in control now. That’s a feel good story.
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Best I could find.
Totally agree. I was skimming google pics for one of her to toss up and they all involve her showing a good amount of cleavage or are just large pics.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
she was always the best looking when she was on the show too. Candace Cameron blimped out apres, and the olsen twins, well, theyre the olsen twins
good lord, nothing wrong with that.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
ah I see, im not too familiar with case history
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
:(
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Her life is back on track now! LEAVE JODIE SWEETIN ALONE!!1
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True that. Got her act together and is still smokin hot. Thats something you can hang a mission accomplished banner off of.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Actually a really funny and SUPER crude stand up comedian. On the scale of wholesomeness Danny Tanner was a 9 and Bob Sagets standup is a 1.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
I was just going to say the same thing. It’s shocking to watch!
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
is she the one married to Valeri Bure?
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s Candace Bure, nee Cameron.
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ah
no idea
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone want to take a guess
at what Kaberle is doing right now?
a) Drinking
b) Sleeping
c) Reading Kaberle HFboard trade proposals/The site that shall not linked rumours
d) Seeing what he could get for himself in NHL10 OR Playing “Be a GM” and extending his contract until retirement
e) Other
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f) Lighting a cigarette with a $100 Canadian bill while talking on the phone with his agent about teams who would be interested in him come July 1st, 2011.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
g) Applying rouge to his cheeks
h) Combing his eyebrows
I assume those are the givens that he does non-stop and thus don’t warrant mentioning.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Drinking
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh
And it’s gotta be like 4am in Czech Republic right now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
e) Other
Singing the Kaberle song loudly on repeat while crying blue and white tears. Also drunk.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Get on this Bloge.
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
by Kenjamin on Aug 15, 2010 10:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
is it me or has Bob McKenzie been very quiet about the Kaberle thing? Is he still on vacation or something?
yup, on vacation
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bob McKenzie’s listening to Nickelback, so he’s in another world right now.
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b) Sleeping
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
nickelback & kid rock on shuffle
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
what is weird about this deadline is that most hockey deals get done mid day. I find it hard to picture Burke still up taking calls and working his magic.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC Versteeg was also announced pretty late…….still possible …..Keep Faith
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
snak-pak
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Versteeg was announced at around 10:30PM.
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The witching hour approaches!
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
so you’re saying we have 20 mins to wait?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats the spirit!!!!!
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 15, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
KABERLE.
Anyone still here?
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Does OtF not have timestamps?
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We’re from Tennessee, so clearly not. Can’t read, either.
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by Chris Burton on Aug 15, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s what I thought.
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We're not going anywhere
until the clock strikes 12.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
Most notably of which is Kaberle.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Aug 15, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
Ya, Malone isn’t coming.
RealKyper
Interesting Malone note. If he lifts his NMC for TOR, he loses $1M on what’s remaining on his deal by giving up Fla no state tax law. Ouch!
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derp
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God
you titled that one.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
great odin’s beard!
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This is interesting and I’m wondering if it should be addressed in the salary cap.
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It's ruining league parity!
Circumvention of the salary cap!
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm is hard to read, but I imagine no, since the lack of Florida state tax works for any income, including sports contracts. Anyone who’s traded to Florida also probably makes “more” in salary because no income is taken away to tax. It’s what makes Florida such an attractive place for rich people in general.
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So to be clear you think that some teams can essentially offer 5% higher contracts due to local tax laws isn’t a problem?
That’s $3,000,000 with a $60M salary cap.
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It’s not a problem in the NBA or the NFL, two sports with similar salary caps. So I’m surmising that it’s a situation the NHL is also aware of, but is willing to accept because it’s a state law, rather than a specific sports one.
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Well the Miami Heat just signed the 3 biggest free agents in this NBA off season………
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Right, meaning that the NBA isn’t doing anything about it because that income goes to the state rather than the sports team.
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I see it as somewhat equivalent to telling a player they’ll get big endorsement deals if they come to your team; either way it’s more money in the players’ pockets.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Sure. I just don’t see this being addressed in any CBA because it’s not technically the responsibility of a sport’s league to supercede a state law as an exception. Otherwise, they just don’t operate in that state in order to avoid the legal issues whatsoever. Why not make all salaries tax-free then if a sports league is able to nullify the lack of state income taxes?
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NBA “cap” allows you to go above the cap.
NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed; if you have cap problems you can just release a player
Resident Capologist
NFL contracts aren’t guaranteed; if you have cap problems you can just release a player
This affects next year’s cap though. The signing bonus a player has signed gets prorated to the current season’s cap. So to say a NFL team can solve it’s cap problem by releasing a player is inaccurate.
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Hmm well
They’re still being paid the same amount by the club, they just owe less $ to the gov’t… it’s not exactly the team’s fault there so it’s hard to call it illegal.
But ya, in theory, if all teams spent to the cap and $s weren’t an issue, team’s could “sell” players on this tax benefit in contract negotiations… also makes them more valuable for trading due to lower contracts.
Just as an aside though, what could an upcoming CBA possibly do to fix this? Since contracts remain the same if traded, hard to offset based on where they land.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Foreign Players also get extra tax burden placed on them for being from another country as well. Will have to look up how much someone like ovie is losing to overall taxes.
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Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
But that’s the same for all teams.
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A thought...
I would think the NHLPA would push for the highest dollar value for contracts, and discourage players from taking discounted ones in cities with less income tax.
by Shift on Aug 15, 2010 10:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m just not sure how you fix that, unless you adjust the cap value of any player as they move from one state/province to another, which would be incredibly confusing.
Resident Capologist
Ya because then
you’d have to adjust all cap hits as averaged after-tax cash flows instead of pre-tax ones…. which seriously complicates matters.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, any time any changes were made to tax law you have to change the adjustment.
And it’s not like all tax law changes would be timed with the offseason…
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Yikes
can you imagine tax law started impacting the capologist discussions on here? We’re just get further and further away from talking hockey, and more and more about politics and economics…
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
you know who talked about politics and economics a lot?
hitler
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You know who wrote about politics and economics a lot?
Playboy.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Well
he’s a man isn’t he.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Or a player could have a cap hit that was some sort of net income figure. Of course that opens up a whole other can of worms in that some teams would have to pay more for players in real cash and that would hurt a team like Nashville.
This probably isn’t a big issue because it’s $3M and the Lightning and Panthers are broke.
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...
What the cuss is that?!
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by NinjasFromSpace on Aug 15, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
What the cuss is your comment in response to? Use the reply button!
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This was my first failed response..
I’m horribly embarrassed. You weren’t supposed to notice it. :(
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by NinjasFromSpace on Aug 15, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
we are all pointing and laughing at you right now
it will be in the news letter
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
And the pamphlet, flyer, poster, billboard, PPP yearbook, and will also warrant no less than a dozen mentions in the next podcast.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear it’s going to make next year’s Maple Leaf Annual.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear they’re burning all the currently printed copies of this year’s annual and reprinting them with “NINJASFROMSPACE REPLY FAIL” on the front cover.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This will be on the jumbotron.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
That was pretty horrible. Not as bad as the time SpaceNinja reply failed though.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
NinjasFromSpace is already a legend. My grandkids will hear about it, that’s for sure.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This was all part of my plan..
Immortality awaits!
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by NinjasFromSpace on Aug 15, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone will reply fail again someday then Jared will bust in with “Way to go SpaceNinja.” Then we will all rec it and recall that one time during Kaberle Day.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Aug 15, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Once..
I almost posted a message with the subject “zzzzzzzzzzzzz” after marking a group of messages as read.
I’m bad at the internet.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Aug 15, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
epic fail
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
.
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
trade secret
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
malone?
hey, first comment
just wondering if you think trading for malone would be a good idea, since thats whats trending right now
i mean, with 1st, sure, since they’ve been top 5-10 for the last while, but pointswise kaberle and malone are similar, and only two years difference in age too..
seems to be a mixed bag right now.
oh, and welcome. thanks for joinging.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
ive been reading for a few months, but usually just read and laugh.
im pretty bored waiting for the trade to happen, so i guess thats why i made my first comment. i’ll probably be posting frequently now.
That's what usually happens
the floodgates open…
Just remember WAC’s golden rule…
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t look into Luke Schenn’s eyes if you aren’t prepared for parenthood?
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
Hmm
I guess she has a number of Golden rules.
Maybe an entire Golden Rulebook.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If you read a bit up
you’ll see that the rumour is most likely just that… a rumour. Malone has a (previously unknown) no-movement clause, and beyond the fact that I don’t know why he’s waive, he will also lose $1M in tax differences due to leaving Florida.
Also welcome, thanks for joining…
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Pick any 10 comments relating to Kaberle trade speculation (not including ones about former Full House Hotties) and I think you’ll find 8 of those mention how acquiring Malone is a bad idea.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Read through a bit of this thread. To summarize;
1) Ryan Malone has a terrible contract. He also was basically carried by the supremely talented forwards around him. So NO. If we take Malone, we best be getting prospects and picks.
2) Malone has a no trade and isn’t waving it. Apparently, the taxes in Ontario would cost him an extra million dollars.
Nothing wrong with that
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
We have been lacking in the “smoking hot wife” department ever since Hagman left.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Girlfriends yes
I specifically said wife!
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
colton orr
his wife is a total smoke show
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
pictures or it didnt happen.
this also makes me want to think that Carkners wife/girlfriend is ugly as sin
Meh
I don’t really dig her face
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
she looks like dita von tease
that is a very good tihng
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
True that. Also the picture looks stretched a bit which adds to the effect.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
yup, colton doesnt look near that elongated
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a whole boatload of Orr pic right there.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
are you mad?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
She has the longest face I have ever seen. Maybe its just stressed like they say, but the distance between her mouth and eyes is just creepy…Horse was probably a bad choice of words
if i wasn’t too lazy, i’d find a picture of ric ocasek to post here.
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You had better lock your door
and pray Colton Orr doesn’t read PPP.
by Brad Ackerson on Aug 15, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
A mere lock?
Surely you jest.
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by CancerousRocket on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen her in person. She’s smoking hot.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Saw her in person, can confirm. Looks nothing like that picture.
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She looks like the kind of girl who should be Colton Orr’s wife. Like they walk into bars and guys try to talk to her and whatnot, the BOOM K-ORRed!
true story
i have a copy of the Sens WAGS calendar. not one girl in it is attractive (mind you, Underwood wasn’t involved)
Kessel’s girlfriend is pretty hot.
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by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
How about this rule: there are plenty of places on the internet to stare at tits. Unless intensely relevant let’s take it easy on the athlete’s wives’ pictures.
It’s clutter and we also have a ton of female users.
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by Chemmy on Aug 15, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
cock-a-poo
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
as a female user, I think Kessel’s girlfriend is pretty hot. But I’m hesitant to put up a picture now.
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by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the one in the bar with him in a yellow shirt while she steals his hat?
that is not confirmed to be anything but a one time encounter between the two
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
same girl, loads of different pictures of them together though. I was told they were dating since 2006 or something.
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by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i;ve only seen the one picture
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if she has his accent..
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google images is enlightening me, there are several
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yep.
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by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We do have some smoking hot girlfriend… aka Future Mrs. Gustavsson.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I forgot about her.
Also my pal works at Whole Foods in Toronto. Apparently Komisarek came in with two smokin’ fine babes one day. The next day they announced he was injured…
HAHAHAHAHAHA………………………………..Legend
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 15, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, ive caught up now.
i was too busy being shocked at the new yellow background :P
ignoring malone though, if we’re looking for a scoring winger around his production, how happy are we? It wouldn’t suck to keep Kaberle, but it doesn’t seem to plausible anymore, with the fear of a sundin situation—
poni had stats just as good as malone, and I would take kaberle over caputi
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Which would usually be a good thing, but Jared’s already been there and has replaced the gin with mouthwash and watered down the vodka to hide his secret midnight drinking.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Just checking advanced stats but wow is Stamkos sheltered 5 on 5.
.313 QTEAM
.087 QCOMP
Kessel’s numbers for comparison:
.081 QTEAM
.037 QCOMP
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Well is Q comp is higher… his q team on the other hand is crap.
The Q-stats though don’t take into account defensive skill do they?
Kessel is pretty good defensively for a pure fineness player
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I am trying to ask if the low Q-comp stat means that they are playing against players who are poor-all around or just poor-offensively.
Because if Kessel is predominantly played against a checking line, and Qcomp is based on offense then his QCOMP would be low.
Poor offensively which is a pretty decent measure: if the players you’re up against are only good at defending you don’t need to worry about giving up a scoring chance by being too aggressive.
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Everyone go home
Nothing to see here. Its over Johnny. You lame ass Kabby lovers won.
I have a feeling the Burke brass isnt fully prepared for the “kaberle stays” situation
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You lame ass Kabby lovers won.
eyebleaf is going to be so happy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
just a bad ass picture
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
C’mon. Orr is bad, Blake is ass.
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 15, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Blake wearing #20?
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i think it was that “legends” night or what ever when they all wore leaf great sweaters in the warm up
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Still 5 minutes to 10 when you posted that… holding out hope!
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And of course 10 in Maple Land is 11pm EST
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
holding out for a hero’
do do do dooooo
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
me too, eyes are also bleeding
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the FINAL COUNTDOWN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1iVRV09mRo
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather keep Kaberle than get Malone, unless he comes with some hella good prospects.
Malone was nothing until he played with Crosby in Pit and then all of the great forwards in Tampa. Plus, they already overpaid once for Pittsburgh’s old spare parts once with Colby.
I don’t think anything will happen tonight.
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Barring a miracle (ie. In the next hour) Tomas Kaberle will remain a Maple Leaf. Now back to Madmen.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I’d trade Kaberle for 3 more seasons of Mad Men.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 15, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d trade Kaberle for 3 more seasons ofMad MenArrested Development.
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
IE
nothing has leaked or changed, but this might grab me some more followers
look how hip i am for enjoying a popular tv show
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What an amazing insight.
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I hope Burke is content with letting Kaberle walk as a UFA next summer.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I hope he isn’t. I hope he makes every effort possible to not let Kaberle walk as a UFA next summer.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If making every effort possible includes paying Kaberle over $5 mil a year on a long term contract then I hope he is.
by Brad Ackerson on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I should’ve tacked “within reason” on after “every effort possible”.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If you think Burke is having a difficult time finding top 6 talent now, just wait until he locks up Kaberle and the Leafs have ZERO cap space next summer
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
yeah, that 6 mill from giggy is going to totally ruin the ca…wait what?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that 6 million from Giggy is going to be spent re-signing Schenn, Gunnarsson, and Bozak….wait what?
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Schen and bozaks cap hit is already around 3ish mil because of the bonus roll over is it not?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but their cap hit would be the same as it is this year, or slightly higher due to a small raise, i seriously doubt schenn gets more than 3.5 and bozak more than 3, gunnar might get 2.5 which is roughly a mill more than those three combine for right now
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention Beauchemin, Finger and Lebda all having one year left on their deals, making them:
a)That much more attractive as depth defensemen for picks (or conditional picks)
b)That much easier to convince the MLSE board to bury the contract for a year.
Plenty of space
Giggy, Kaberle off the books.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
just wait until he locks up Kaberle and the Leafs have ZERO cap space next summer
Yeah, that 6 million from Giggy is going to be spent re-signing Schenn, Gunnarsson, and Bozak
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Ya okay I missed the Kab extension part
Schenn and Bozak’s cap hit is already high, I don’t think it’ll go much higher than 3.75 and 2.975M respectively, do you?
Gunnar, yes.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If/when it is time to lock up Kaberle next summer, we will really see if he loves Toronto.
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by CancerousRocket on Aug 15, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i’d like too hear the spin for this…………
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 15, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the eleventh hour folks…
60 more minutes of madness.
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
by Kenjamin on Aug 15, 2010 11:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
its not the fun type of “holy shit, every thing is so nuts i cant keep up” crazy, more of the “have the ghost bartender talk you into murdering your family” crazy
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody. We’re still under the cap.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
pressbox FTW!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
but have 8 d-men.
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So does
Philly and Vancouver.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That is correct.
Brian Burke is quoted as saying that a team needs 8 NHL caliber d-men for a season due to injuries and what not.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
OK. I didn’t take “odd man out” to mean “will be traded”, but rather, “will spend 60+ games in the press box or with the Marlies”
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Aug 15, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but...
We have 8 NHL defensemen. Only 6 can play and 1 (should) be benched. There is no reason to keep all of them
hey remember last year when komi got hurt, and then gunnar got hurt, and Luke wasnt playing well….
depth, its a good thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
so is salary parity accross the team
I would rather trade a player on the back end for some more up front, if at all possible,
well yes, but if there is no one coming in to play forward for big dollars, we might as well use it on D
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Please be Finger
if anyone. I’d rather us push Finger down and bring up a kid while still not being hit with a bonus penalty next summer.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So who gets traded instead of Kabby?
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by article1 on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No one
Leafs sign 10 more defensemen just in case.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He also said
He’ll never be caught off guard without depth in goal… then went with Vesa as our #1 for a good portion of the year.
I think he’s rectified that situation NOW, but just sayin…
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s trade the guy who played all of our tough minutes last year and give them to Lebda.
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let’s trade the guy who scored more points than most of our forwards.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I tweeted earlier that trading Kaberle for Malone didn’t seem like a great deal to me despite not wanting Kaberle.
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not a chance Beauch gets traded
but which D-man gets bumped out of the top 4?
Phaneuf
Kaberle
Beauchemin
Komiserek
Gunnerson
Shenn?
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 15, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a nice problem to have Leafs fans.
Me no like da Wings.
by i2strange97 on Aug 15, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
just roll 3 d lines more often than other teams.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Er, sorry. read that as top 6 at first. If Kaberle get’s resigned, none of those guys are moving.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
not till the deadline at least
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really. Beauch is in his last year and depending on where the Leafs are in the standings at trade deadline, Beauchemin would be a great piece for a contending team.
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Pretty self-explanatory. Beauchemin is not impossible to trade at all. He’s had a season as a Leafs player, so it’s not like his loyalty is being violated now.
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He’s also our top shutdown d-man and played against the toughest opposition last year. He’s kind of really good at it too.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
I'm not denying that
I advocated for Beauchemin probably the most out of everyone when he was signed. That doesn’t mean he can’t be traded at the deadline if the circumstances dictate it.
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The same can be said for Kaberle.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Exactly
To say that this deadline is the end of the line for Kaberle is a bit of an exaggeration. Kabby’s no-trade clause makes it more difficult than Beauchemin, but you’re all speculating if you claim that Kaberle is going to a callous, selfish player who will never waive his no-trade clause now. You don’t know that just yet.
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I didnt know
this was Francois last year
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Brian this is Wilson, no the other one. If your interested I know it wasn’t good enough the first time but i’ve still got Joslin+a first. You said I needed to sweeten it a bit so you can have some of my gummi bears too. They were in my pocket for a while so they are kind of warm and melted.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Hilarious.
/sarcasm.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
AND VESA TOSKALA LLOOOLKOLLOLFCOPTER
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
the plight of being a mere fan. i could think of a lot of things i would give up just to see a complete list of offers for kaberle over the years
I just want to know the “Insult” offer Burke got at the Draft
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 15, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t it an offer for Schenn?
Me no like da Wings.
by i2strange97 on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s none of your business.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently it was a late first for Schenn.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Well
considering how many insulting trade proposals Leaf fans toss around (a la Bobby Ryan especially) it’s probably karmic retribution.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but that is off set by the other fans saying schenn is only worth a 2nd round pick
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Not happening.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
tis was a joke
I more meant I just want to see some team from left field that no one expects come sweeping in
Man, is this vigil ever taking it’s toll. The spelling and grammar is goin’ all Jared-like with everybody.
Tomorrow
is going to be a bad day for the media for the Leafs.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
just like every other day
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Since 1967, the Leafs have made exactly zero trades for Tomas Kaberle.
or something to that effect.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Avs fan here.
That made me throw up a little in my mouth.
Me no like da Wings.
by i2strange97 on Aug 15, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You know you want it…………….lol
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 15, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you know you waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant it
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahah
I am too actually (they are my second favourite team, which is quite doable when they are in a different conference). I just picked a random young desirable player
Hey I’m a big fan of what the Leafs are doing with this team. They are going to SUCK to play against.
Me no like da Wings.
by i2strange97 on Aug 15, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
My early hockey watching days
Were during the Forsberg, Sakic, Tanguay, Hejduk, Blake, Foote, Ozolinsh, Roy days.
How could I not love them?
Maybe our defensemen
Our top 2 forward lines are not nearly as threatening.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t you just triple shift Kessel?
Me no like da Wings.
by i2strange97 on Aug 15, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
just double shift
versteeg needs some ice time
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we already were
and thats why he looked winded for half the season.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
now that Kabby is staying
its pretty safe for Leafs nation to start pointing at every other defencemen for trade scenarios.
way to go Burke, there is officially a target on everyone cept Dion.
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 15, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
hey ive got an idea, lets wait till the trade window closes before we start talking in absolutes
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s the point of trading one of the other defencemen though? We won’t get any sort of top six player unless that defencemen’s name starts with an L and ends with a Schenn. I wouldn’t trade that kid. He’s pretty decent.
by Alex Grantham on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah man Larry Schenn sucks we should trade the hell out of that guy.
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I really, really fail to see how we couldn’t manage to get a desirable top six forward in exchange for Tomas Kaberle. Consider me pissed and moody.
This team needs a C or LW badly. How did Burke not throw Kabby in a package and manage something?
One thing I’m starting to find with Burke is that he’ll blow my mind with the brilliance of one maneuver and then leave me completely scratching/shaking my head with the next. You are a man of many sides Mr. Burke.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
takes two to tango, believe it or not other GM’s don’t want to let go of valuble young talent, even for Kaberle with a decent tack on or two.
Just because Kaberle stays doesn’t mean he didn’t try. It just means that no one was going to offer a viable package
and believe it or not, selling players for pennies on the dollar just cause is bad buisness
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
all this whining and complaining. If Kaberle’s worth so much in a trade, then he’s worth just as much to keep.
It’s a win/win for the Leafs…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 15, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
win/win/win!
Just move him to LW. Problems Solved.
/dustsoffhands
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 15, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it begs the question
whether Burke mis-managed the whole offseason handling of Kaberle though… there was probably better ways to go about it then waiting until the last second when his back is against the wall.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
why?
trade him for less than fair value to make the fans happy?
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by blurr1974 on Aug 15, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not? At least you get something instead of letting him walk next summer.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
by birky on Aug 15, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you kill what little cap space you had for next summer, and you still can’t add any talent up front
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
And your left with a PMD who’s getting into his mid 30’s and whose best seasons are behind him. Yet probably have to pay more.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
What’s worse: Kaberle leaves for nothing or the Leafs lock up a 33 year old with declining production for five years?
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With or without a NTC again?
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
If I were Kaberle
I don’t accept any deal without a full NMC.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, there are other players on this team to trade, you know. Pavel Kubina’s salary dump proved that was the case.
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let’s not bring logic into this bk…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 15, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Every other player on this roster was brought in by Burke or Fletcher. Kaberle is the only player to have played under Maurice
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
So?
Any wording in their contracts that says “cannot be traded by man who signed my contract”?
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You think Burke’s going to move out some of his own guys when he couldn’t even get what he felt was fair value for Kaberle?
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
The situation was that if Burke needed salary cap space, he’s not adverse to trading players as a salary dump. Burke felt Kaberle is worth more than a salary dump, so he kept him.
This isn’t the year where Burke signed Beauchemin and Komisarek. They’ve already had two years as a Leafs by next offseason. I think that’s more than enough time to fulfill any sense of loyalty and good faith. You really think a GM undermines himself by putting self-imposed limits like that using a nonsensical feeling of loyalty? If that’s the case, fire Burke from his post.
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I think there’s a difference between Burke needing cap space to ice a team and Burke needing cap space to acquire a top 6 player. I find it highly unlikely that Burke would trade Komi or Beauch in order to resign Kaberle and still have space to add a forward. Obviously, if the Leafs were in dire straights for cap room, they’d dump Finger and not resign Kaberle.
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Or he trades Beauchemin or Komisarek if he has to clear cap space if the situation was that dire. Like you, I think it’s unlikely Burke will trade them, especially Komisarek, but nothing is stopping Burke from trading them at all. Suggesting Burke won’t trade them because they’re his guys is just that: speculation. Nothing more.
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unless there is Bobby Ryan coming back, no way schenn moves
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d easily consider Neal, Stewart, Gagner. But then again, I’ve always been one to not view Schenn’s value as high as others on here.
gagner?
really?
yikes
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Just turned 21, already has three seasons of 40+ points on bad Oiler teams. I seem him breaking out big this year.
schenn just turned 20
already had 2 good seasons on bad leafs teams and has improved and rounded out his game
I see him breaking out big this year
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
But everyone agrees we need a good young top 6 forward. I would suggest Gagner is that. I don’t think we’d be fleecing the Oil or anything, just trading assets for assets is all.
Well, we would certainly be getting Gagner at his low point. I recall a lot of talk from Edmonton observers how much Gagner seemed to have regressed this last season. His struggles along with Alex Cogliano accelerated the Oilers precipitous downfall.
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His last third or half his season last year he was almost PPG. And the regression talk sounds a lot like what happened with Schenn :)
And not to be a dick, but it’s Andrew C.
Well, it’s not being a dick to me. You’ll have to talk to the Cogliano family if you want another opinion. As for Gagner, we’ll see how he plays this season. I still have a feeling Edmonton is slowly ruining Gagner’s development and I won’t be surprised if he scores only another 40-50 points this season.
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That depends on how Schenn plays this upcoming season. I think it would be a massive mistake if the Leafs trade Schenn, but perhaps, the Leafs see him plateauing much sooner than I would have predicted.
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Not plateauing
I just don’t value his particular skills as much as a young scoring forward. Especially with Komisaruk and Beauchemin here for a couple years, and Aulie et al. down with the Marlies.
I think Schenn is/will be better than both Komisarek and Beauchemin, and Aulie doesn’t come anywhere close to Schenn’s potential in my mind. I rather the Leafs trade every defenceman before thinking about Schenn.
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On the 29th team from last season. If this team were in contention, sure. But if this team is struggling to make the playoffs, like most folks think they will, it doesn’t make sense.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
But by that logic, if all Kaberle contributed was a 29th place team, how essential is the Leafs to trade him? By all reasoning, Kaberle’s not an essential piece, therefore, his value is just not that important in the first place.
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If we assume that Kaberle does have value, then we should move him. If we assume he doesn’t, then he’s Jeff Finger.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Our assumptions are unimportant though. Either Burke feels Kaberle is too valuable to be traded for crap, or Burke feels Kaberle isn’t an essential piece to a 29th place team, therefore, the team’s fortune doesn’t change drastically that much getting rid of him.
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No no not what I’m saying
Not saying he should accept a bad package, but maybe he should have talked more with GMs, interacted, planned a strategy that wasn’t just
“We’re listening, we’re going to hold out until the very last day, if no offer is good enough he’s a Leaf”
Just sayin’, there was more than 1 way to play this. It was a bold strategy… I don’t know if it paid off.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
like?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
My thinking is…Burke kept saying all summer: Oh, Kaberle is worth so much because he’s a stud an elite PMD on a cheap contract. Well, he’s apparently not worth all that much.
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that BMW is a fast, good looking, well built car, but its not worth 50 grand because i cant afford to mortgage my house for it
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually this whole think looks like it may end up like the Uncle Buck’s car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPqPDdiiJIw
,
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't true and you know it
Specifically “If Kaberle’s worth so much in a trade, then he’s worth just as much to keep.”
Thats a logical fallacy. A player’s trade value is his value to other teams (perhaps specific teams). If your team is not in the same position as those teams than his value to your team is not necessarily the same.
I like him, and would be okay with him staying. But his value is highest for the leafs as a tradeable asset.
Because we have a lot of D.
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I would move Gunnarsson in ten seconds if I thought we could get anything for him but:
1. Kaberle has higher trade value.
2. Gunnarsson is cheaper than Kaberle.
3. Gunnarsson will be more useful five years from now.
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Except that by jerking Kaberle around we’re a lot more likely to see him walk as a UFA. I think one of the Leafs’ biggest problems has been holding on to talent for too long or not being able to move it because of NTCs until it needs to be bought out, traded for pennies on the dollar or just leaves.
This would be a much much much much much different roster if McCabe, Sundin and Kaberle didn’t have NTCs.
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Plus
We should have learned our lesson from last time when we lost out on Carter and a 1st for some reason.
by Alex Grantham on Aug 15, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
How could we have learned our lesson? This was the same contract. There is nothing we could have done since.
I’m saying we shouldn’t have blown our other great opportunity to get a decent return for him before we ended up getting nothing, is all.
by Alex Grantham on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
there is no proof that at any time ever leafs brass has been at fault for not moving Kaberle for a good return
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. That Carter trade was nixed by Kaberle using his NTC. There has never been a trade (that we know of) that Burke has turned down for a good player/players/package
ive also heard rumblings that the whole carter and a first thing was a total fallacy and was actually umberger and a first
not that it matters
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit, sorry.
Forgot Kabs prevented that. My bad.
by Alex Grantham on Aug 15, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
and we should prolly wait a couple more hours
after midnight for the slow fax machines too right
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 15, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
30 minutes till midnight. Anything else you wanted to do today?
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
I tried
taking my mind off it by watching TV..didn’t work
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Watching Shutter Island while waiting on Kaberle… this movie is creepy as hell.
STILL NO TRADE??!
by unavoidable on Aug 15, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I come back
and there’s1000+ comments on here.. IE isn’t the best browser to use for this site
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the good news is, the Leafs are beating the sens 3-0 on leafs tv right now
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
Really?
5 minutes ago it was 1-0.
That’s what I was watching to distract myself
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whos in net?
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by Future_considerations on Aug 15, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t know
THIRD BASE
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't remember
too busy staring at #15 in blue and white
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Wow 1000 comments about something not happening.
This is like the Seinfeld of threads.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
computer... is... slow
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My computer wasn’t slow before, but it is now.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
me too. On the bright side, my zed button is working again
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
There’s a bit of a lag, but it hasn’t stopped working on mine.
Also I’m so glad you pronounce it zed not zee.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve heard people pronounce it ZEB-ra, which is actually kind of odd.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the British way of pronouncing it.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 15, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It stopped working for a while.. there are some posts somewhere here where I complain about that.
But now it’s just lagging too
ZedFTW!
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crap
i have watched 72 minutes of video today.
i am asked to please wait 54 minutes or click here to enjoy unlmiited use of megavideo.
what great timing.
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 15, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
Been there
I’ve been rocking Arrested Development since dinner.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I hate when that happen. But if you can steal someone else internet , you can keep watching.
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by whyevenbother on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kabby breaks Salmings record
Im going to sob…and Canadiens fans will have a field day
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 15, 2010 11:36 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, because that is terrible?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And I am going to sob if Kaberle scores more than 10 points in a game and breaks Sitler’s record
(I am not sure why)
I’m going to cry if Kaberle breaks Turk Broda’s wins record.
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"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Ugh
5 million dollars in cap space for Jeff Finger and Brett Lebda to sit in the press box.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
is this a distraction?
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
That Lebda signing
makes even less sense than it did before.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We spend too much money on D.
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Bullshit
We have plenty of fringe NHL prospects who could be our depth D in that situation. All who cost less than $1m.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct. No good teams have overpaid iffy 5/6 guys. Jeff Finger is excusable: he’s pre-Burke. Lebda makes no sense from any angle.
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I think I am being misunderstood
I don’t like it at all. I am just trying to explain a potential reasoning behind the Lebda signing
only makes sense if burke has a trade for Kaberle / back up trade for beauchemin (whatever) in place and doesnt think the kids will be able to step in
if neither happens, im gonna chalk it up to a drunken bet
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Still
under
the
cap
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Seriously? Death is an absolute, except when it comes to the CBA apparently.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
he isnt an 8th d-man
he is a servicable 4-5 guy who got a pay day he didnt really deserve and got jammed down the depth chart by better players
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Also there’s no one left to sign as a UFA so who cares
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Next year’s UFA crop makes me want to vomit. I’d be delighted if we didn’t sign a single player.
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Plus
if it’s true that there is no bonus cushion, and assuming raises for Bozak/Schenn/Gunnar and Giguere walking, we don’t have a ton of cap space at all.
We’re rolling at like a $62M payroll right now including the bonus cushion.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You all know what this means, More months of Kaberle speculation on wheteher he re signs or decides to waive his no trade. The humanity :(
That is clearly
the worst thing to the non-trade. I just wanted it to be over.
This is like dying slowly… I wish the plug would just get pulled.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 15, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Find happiness in whatever your doing
Ask yourself what you wanted from the Kaberle trade. Is the team worse off now? Instead of getting disappointed that a trade doesn’t seem likely you should start talking yourself into enjoying seeing him play next year. He makes good passes, start trying to notice them during leafs games and realize those points wouldn’t be there without him.
There Optimism. If nothing else think of how happy beleaf will feel tomorrow.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
so about that joslin and a 1st offer…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
unless like 5 players were coming back, i doubt it
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It is over, the only people who started it were bored hockey fans during long summer months that blew it up and made them hate the whole topic. See Kovalchuk and Heatley.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
It’s weird that Tomas Kaberle is such an excellent outlet passer and drives our offense up the ice and does all this while starting most of his shifts in the offensive zone.
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curious as to how much PP face offs skew that
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
TSN has this for a tagline of a video (already)
“Leafs GM Brian Burke couldn’t find a suitable deal, so Tomas Kaberle will remain in blue and white.”
How’s this for optimism: Kabby and a (hopefully) improved Gunnar starting our rushes most of the game. That could be real nice.
I have some sad news for you. Ron Wilson doesn’t play that style of hockey. You’ll notice that the Leafs breakout isn’t driven by PMD anymore.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
very nice
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course……..with Gunnar on the third pairing and all
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 15, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see him moving up if one of the vets get all lackadaisical again. I spelled lackadaisical right on the first try too.
by Alex Grantham on Aug 15, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
In Kaberle’s case they get scored on while looking the wrong way a lot. For Gunnarsson I’d suggest he start buying lottery tickets.
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That’s the whole point. Wilson’s system relies on forwards to skate the puck down the ice. Watch a game against Boston or NJ next year and you’ll see the difference. Leafs D make passes within their own zone almost exclusively these days. Thats why Kessel, Grabbo, and now Versteeg will be carrying the puck through the neutral zone this season. Remember Stalberg? Where did all of those rushes start? His own blue line. Leafs don’t need guys like Kaberle to lug the puck down the ice. Thank God Phaneuf has another side to his game besides offense or else he’d be a terrible fit too.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
It’s actually for that reason that I doubt Phaneuf will ever match his offensive numbers from Calgary in Toronto.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Most of Phaneuf’s scoring in Calgary was done on the PP.
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that and...
Phaneuf’s not quite the same player anymore.
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Phaneuf is what, 24?
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I find that his game changed since he broke into the league. Never mind that his value was overrated in Calgary, but for whatever the reason, Phaneuf isn’t going to be an offensive power in the Chris Pronger mold to hazard a guess.
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Maybe he’s not what he was when he broke into the league, but he’s very young for a defenseman still so he could still be very good.
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by Karina on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
TBH, with the way his play regressed from his Norris season to the trade last year, I don’t realistically see him getting better then he was pre-Keenan.
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by Justin Azevedo 2 on Aug 16, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
pre-Keenan he was incredibly sheltered, he had amazing stats because he was playing on the 2nd pairing D and getting all the offensive end starts etc. He “regressed” when he had to play top pairing minutes/defensive assignments.
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by Karina on Aug 16, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
He was playing top minute assignments, actually. A ton of PK time too. He wasn’t even close in terms of QCOMP to Reggie and JBow last year, and he still blew chunks.
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by Justin Azevedo 2 on Aug 16, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Not from what I’ve read on Flames’ blogs.
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by Karina on Aug 16, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? I’m not sure what blogs you are reading, but Kent Wilson has argued this stuff before.
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by Justin Azevedo 2 on Aug 16, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
At 5v5
Phaneuf QCOMP 0.060
Bouw QCOMP -0.01
Please do basic fact checking in the future thanks in advance.
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QTEAM:
Phaneuf -0.102
Bouw -0.016
Points:
Phaneuf 12G 20A 32Pts +1
Bouw 3G 26A 29Pts -8
Summary: Phaneuf worse teammates harder opposition more goals more points better plus minus.
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Owned.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 16, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
cheaper too!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 16, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Lower cap hit. Younger.
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Captain
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 16, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
more famous girlfriend
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 16, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
GVT
Phaneuf 7.7
Bouwmeester 6.1
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Reggie QCOMP 0.093
Also, are these stats just with the Flames? or post trade as well?
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by Justin Azevedo 2 on Aug 16, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I know it’s easy to confuse Robyn Regehr and “defensemen who score goals” because Bouwmeester only netted three but this is apples and oranges.
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close in terms of QCOMP to Reggie
JBo Also had higher CRQoT. He drives possesion, and is better defensively.
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by Justin Azevedo 2 on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
CRQoT? That looks like a crappy hand in Scrabble.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 16, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Corsi Relative to Quality of Teammates
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
That may be what it stands for but I stand by my earlier statement.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 16, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Corsi Relative Quality of Teammates
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by Justin Azevedo 2 on Aug 16, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Not according to any of the stats, Jbo wasn’t. Face it, Bouwmeester wasn’t very good last season. That doesn’t mean he won’t go back to his premier self this upcoming season, but it wasn’t a good year for Flames d-men all around.
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Phaneuf may very well be a better player in TO then he was in CGY. But I don’t think you can find one person at M&G that would rather have him then JBow.
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by Justin Azevedo 2 on Aug 16, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Fact checking?
What the fuck is the internet?
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
It’s a series of tubes!
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 16, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
IIRC, Phaneuf actually carried the puck down the ice a lot after he became a Leaf.
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by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Burkie fleeced the Flames and Ducks. Tonight though it appears for a whole bunch of reasons things backfired. Insert one grumpy defenceman who thinks he has been treated badly. A Finger and a Lebda… Aside from that the D looks pretty good though.
I don’t understand why he keeps saying Burke fleeced the Ducks……the Giggy deal helped the ducks out a lot too
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 15, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I am still trying to figure out how this backfired?
Kaberle has a set value, other GMs offered pretty much crap
burke didnt bite
boom?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Instead of getting a pick and a prospect who could maybe be a part of the team long term…….Burke kept a player in an already deep position who will most likely walk at the end of his contract.
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 15, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
instead of getting a pick that turned into a 3rd liner and a bust, Burke kept a player who scored 45 points for the leafs in the 2011 season
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Because all picks turn into third liners or busts
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 15, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot more than turn into super star first liners
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
For a team with not many top notch forward prospects or top notch forwards for that matter, thats a risk you have to take….
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 16, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
no, it isnt
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 16, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
of course not…………….we have one more year of Kaberle after which we either pay him 5.5 mil a year and commit cap suicide, or watch him walk for nothing.
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 16, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We don’t know for sure what the GMs offered. I get the feeling there might have been at least one or two fairly attractive proposals.
by Alex Grantham on Aug 15, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If there was an attractive proposal Kaberle wouldn’t be here now.
No one offered what Burke wanted for Kaberle so we’re keeping him.
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It backfires if he stays this year he wont resign next year. Kabby has every right to feel a bit burned by the process. When the even more long standing Sundin saga ended we got nothing in return. Although McCabe was a TOTALY diferant situation we got Van Ryn. I think there were some options that were stronger now then they would be if he was asked (again) to waive the no-trade at the deadline. That is assuming we aren’t in a playoff situation… God lets hope that isn’t the case. Something is better than nothing and things are indeed weak upfront. Its still the Kessel show.
no trade?
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Remember kids it's down the road not across the street
being awake this early makes me sad…
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Remember kids it's down the road not across the street
what time is it?
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
7am
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Remember kids it's down the road not across the street
You can go back to sleep now..
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
FIVE MORE MINUITES!
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 15, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That just about sums it up unfortunately.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 15, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
biting my nails...
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Dreger says no trade.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 15, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on Sutter, what else do you have in the Crazy Bag?
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 15, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope this is a joke.
It's Like The Empire Strikes Back of Commenting.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Aug 15, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It involes Sutter, of course it’s a joke.
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
ffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu….and so on.
You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon
by Biff Carrington on Aug 16, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
night everyone. Tomorrow is going to be a depressing FTB. I should probably avoid it and wait for tempers to cool.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 16, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
TWSS
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 16, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
12:01. It’s over. Kaberle is still a Leaf. Not sure how I feel.
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Isn’t that what the fans wanted?
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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Welp
Here’s to Tomas. A devoted Maple Leaf. Hope he plays well this season
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 16, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
Tomorrow will be the most beautiful day of EyeBleafs life. His breakfast will taste better than any meal you and I have ever tasted.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
by Icion on Aug 16, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hehe
@DownGoesBrown: So Kaberle and the Leafs will remain inseparable, joined together for all eternity, like his eyebrows
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Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 16, 2010 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
Still a leaf, deal with it
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 16, 2010 12:03 AM EDT reply actions
blue and white looks nice on him
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Remember kids it's down the road not across the street
i’m just glad we’re looking at that picture and not a picture of ryan effing malone
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 16, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
STATEMENT FROM BRIAN BURKE
The hockey club confirms this evening that Tomas Kaberle remains a Leaf. While a number of Clubs made offers to trade for Tomas, none of them reflected Tomas’s value to our team. I understand a period like this is stressful to the player, and we are pleased that there is a resolution, and we can all continue to prepare for the coming season.
STATEMENT FROM BRIAN BURKE
The hockey club confirms this evening that Tomas Kaberle remains a Leaf. While a number of Clubs made offers to trade for Tomas, none of them reflected Tomas’s value to our team. I understand a period like this is stressful to the player, and we are pleased that there is a resolution, and we can all continue to prepare for the coming season.
http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=535988
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
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yeah, how else will he have cap space to trade for higgins?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 16, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
i hear burke made some sort of statement, regarding the kaberle situation, anyone have it?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 16, 2010 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
Look above
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
To the Man upstairs? Even he doesn’t have an answer for this.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 16, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats the joke.
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
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You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 16, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else find it hilarious that Burke told the Fan 590 last week that he planned to use the organization’s own guys to fill the spots outside the top 6 and top 4? Funny how that seems to contradict the signing of Brett Lebda.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
drunken bet
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 16, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Burke has made some very questionable decisions July 1st onward.
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 16, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Jesus.
@TheFourthPeriod
Just because it’s past midnight ET doesn’t mean Kaberle cannot still get traded. He now simply has to sign off. Leafs will still field calls
@TSNBobMcKenzie
IMO, 5 will get you 10 Kaberle is dealt before the March trade deadline. Now he gets to call shot tho.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
HAHAHAHAHAHA……………………….15 minutes is all it takes
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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 16, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Welcome to Leafsnation
/sigh
"Our bottom six should be nicknamed The Intangibles." -Plea From A Cat Named Felix
Leafs fan till the end!
by whyevenbother on Aug 16, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Let the speculation begin!
To the MLHSmobile!
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 16, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/8/16/1625009/imo-5-will-get-you-10-kaberle-is
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