10 Ways to Help Make the Barilkosphere a Better Place
by SkinnyFish on Aug 18, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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Talking with some of the old guard around these parts, its become clear that a set of ground rules need to be established when it comes to posting, commenting, tweeting and blogging. Now PPP has posted the rules of the road a few times; but I want to go a little deeper into what is and isn't acceptable behavior. I figure since everyone likes lists, I'll go with one of those.
1 - Please never refer to NHL10 or its ilk for things such as potential trades, game outcomes, or coaching decisions. They're video games; not some tool to be used for "insider knowledge".
2 - When talking about players, coaches, GMs, owners, etc... leave personal attacks out of your argument for or against them. That's great that you think Ron Wilson is a dick. Thanks for adding so much to the conversation. PPP's Note: Also, Wilson is a dick. Everyone knows that. Hell, some of us have had players or acquaintances tell us that.
3 - Give credit where credit is due and don't plagiarize what others have written. That crap may fly at Bleacher Report, but we don't take kindly to it round these parts.
4 - You don't have to love thy neighbor, but you should at least respects them. Personal attacks of a derogatory manner on other users are unwelcome.
5 - Fact check. Please for the love of all that is holy, check out the facts before making bold statements. It's fine to get the details of a stat or trade wrong; but when you make an false argument based on belief instead of fact you just end up sounding like a moron.
6 - Don't be a troll. All are welcome here, and that most definitely includes non-Leafs fans. Just remember that this is a Leafs blog and that Chemmy loves to swing the banhammer at those who don't respect that.
7 - It's the internet, and despite what the cat may tell you, it's really not that serious of a business. I mean, 95% of it is porn for goodness sake. No sense in getting worked up about what somebody said "on the internet". Before you get PO'd to the point of hysterics, try closing your browser for a while. PPP's Note: I recommend stepping away from the conversation for a few minutes.
8 - The previous being said, be open to other view points and opinions. Acknowledge the fact that what you think may indeed be wrong. Be open to the possibility of having your beliefs changed if someone makes a clear and concise argument to the contrary.
9 - Just because somebody is paid to do something doesn't make them the supreme authority on that matter. It's perfectly alright to criticize the actions of the MSM, MLSE executives, and players. Just be sure to do so while adhering to the points above.
10 - Have fun. If you're not having fun discussing hockey on the internet, then don't.
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11 - If you hate discussing stats then don't. Simple as. Don't jump into stats posts/discussions to say that you hate them.
12 - Remember that we're all on the same team...mostly. Responding with "Well cheer for someone else" is as useless as a screen door on a submarine.
Links after the jump.
Updated Maple Leafs player profiles
Yakov Mironov has a pretty sweet write up on all of the Leafs who should be at training camp.
There's a Maple Leaf Annual floating around out there
and mf37 has an article in there. He also knows where all the good pubs in Canada are.
What if Kaberle wants to remain a Leaf until the day he retires?
VLM asks the questions few have dared to answer.
Behind the scenes of the Maple Leafs' war room on Kaberle's trade deadline
DGB uses his new found MSM credentials to gain unprecedented access.
This guy is embarrassed to be a Canadiens fan
As well he should be.
Will Phaneuf reignite his flame?
MLHS looks at Dion's past and hopes to see his future.
Burke made a flurry of statements on Monday
and MLHS has the rundown on such topics as Kaberle, Sweatt, and Mueller.
NHL executive (lol) Brendan Shanahan talks a close look at the proposed rule changes.
Having three faceoff dots, one in each zone, down the centre of the rink. Lol wut?
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13. give me your lunch money
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 7:07 AM EDT reply actions
i'm recing this
because i feel like, now that we’ve all been told what not to do, we’re going to be doing a whole lot more of it.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re a dick.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I could offer any advice, I’ve learned/seen that you can’t take sarcasm personally around here.
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20. Assume sarcasm first since it usually is and you’ll save yourself some heartburn.
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21. Keep baseball talk to a minimum.
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21a. Baseball will tear us apart.
by general borschevsky on Aug 18, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
HEY BUDDY!
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I can’t picture you at a baseball game.
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All you can eat game.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
This
And actually, I don’t mind going with buddies. It’s not my ideal outing but it can be fun.
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The last time I went to a baseball game, I almost fell asleep until they anounced Nik Antropov was at the game.
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I ate nine hot dogs at the last one. Even the people who weren’t big on baseball got a show.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
9 and 9 in 9
try to drink 9 beers and eat 9 hot dogs in a 9-inning game.
its very hard.. you really don’t want that 6th hot dog. (also, attempt at home to save yourself the massive markups)
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no way that that’s possible.
If nothing else you would need someone else to do all the lining up and buying for you, even if you’re buying two at a time.
Hilariously, I think i could possibly stomach the 9 beers without passing out drunk. But no way could i eat 9 hotdogs.
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Are Skydome hotdogs still the same as they used to be?
Does anyone else remember actually being able to buy Skydome hotdogs at the grocery store?
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The Skydome… er Rogers Centre recently received high marks for its stadium food, so I assume they are still great.
Speaking of hot dogs, has anyone tried a Burkie dog?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 18, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
get the bacon wrapped
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Good call, but it would be 1000X better if they tucked it under a salamander to melt the cheese.
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Uh huh. I had the Maple one when I went, it was scrumtrulecent.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, i want my cheese melted, dammit!
otherwise satisfying if overpriced. par for mlse.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
compared to the average stadium or sports dog it was pretty well priced for the size and quality i found
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, its what, $8 or so? and a jays footlong is about that anyway.
but i just wish they would top-melt the cheese once you order. THE TOASTER IS RIGHT THERE JUST DO IT, DAMMIT!!!
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
ask them to
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
there was a long line and they were really busy and i didnt want to be that guy.
so i just stew about it afterwards
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be possible for a Sox-Yankees game as they seem to span at least two meals. It’d still be very difficult though.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
i think it was a sox-yankees preseason game where this was attempted.
i managed 6 and 6 i think.
my friend got the closest, 8 hot dogs and 16 beers. we figured that was more than enough to award him the prize.
and yes, 16. this was the afternoon, and by night’s end he had downed 30. he’s a big boy.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s more than 14 litres! Craziness.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I could drink 16 beers during a Sox Yankees game.
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as a non-european, I resent that question
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Aug 18, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
NO DICE
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23. PPP is Judge Dredd
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What if we’re talking about Stealing Home?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 18, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Clay Buchholz for Cy Young.
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Ricky “117 ERA+” Romero?
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Your AL ERA leader, with an ERA+ equal to Roy Halladay (185): Clay Buchholz.
Lester’s 156 ERA+ is pretty good too as long as we’re at it.
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high-five
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU KNOW WHAT ARE EVEN BETTER STATS?
Romero:
FIP: 3.46
xFIP: 3.63
Buchholz:
FIP: 3.65
xFIP: 4.22
WAR:
Romero: 3.4
Buchholz: 2.8
Team Romero, son.
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Luckily the people who vote for Cy Young don’t know shit about advanced stats.
Buchholz for Cy Young.
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by Chemmy on Aug 18, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m rec’ing this for the combination of statistical sophistication, MSM-skepticism and unabashed homerism.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s great, except for ALL OF IT.
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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Was that his reaction to his no hitter?
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Actually something we can both agree on; Yankees fans on Twitter saying Valverde shouldn’t fist pump after closing a game.
I’ve seen Joba Chamberlain fist pump after striking out one guy for the third out of the fifth inning after the other team scored two runs.
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Buchholz no-hit the Orioles. I hope the kid can do it vs. an MLB team one day, too.
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They don’t ask how, they ask how many.
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Romero’s still the better pitcher, right now, at least.
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you know
it’s taken me a while, but I really do love that new stylized “t” logo for the Jays.
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s too bad he’s just in front of the 2nd “OUT” light.
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On Chemmy's picture.
also oriLOLes.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Is that from his no hitter?
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 18, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I assumed so but his head is in front of the scoreboard!
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 18, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
That part is cut out on my screen.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think my crummy workstation monitor would explode
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 18, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
psshhhh
bah.
flimshaw.
achievements against the orioles don’t count until they are repeated against a baseball team.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He means Ricky Romero.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Aug 18, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
you're a minimum
also, cito gaston’s a dick.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
15 Kaberle is a Leaf until he isn’t. Deal with it.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Aug 18, 2010 7:49 AM EDT reply actions
RULE 15!!!!
Is this a new Kaberle nickname? (next to rosy cheeks)
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, considering how badass he looks in the menus for NHL 11, I’d say that nobody would want it to be undone, if NHL11 says it, it has to be true.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 18, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
16 The Kessel Trade can’t be undone.
I’mma refer to rule 20 and presume that this is sarcasm…hate the “we can’t look back/debate/learn from the past” line of thinking.
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24. Agree with that re: "we can’t look back/debate/learn from the past"
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Yes and no.
Going back and reflecting sure, but when people berate and call for his head a year after the fact, its uncalled for.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Yes
Analysing the deal based on what we know now is not really fair.
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trying to figure out if there is a shitload of sarcasm or if you’re serious…
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haha
It’s true. I can’t say the Kessel deal was bad to make at that point because we finished 29th because that’s not the timeline Burke was dealing with.
Now, saying that he shouldn’t have made the deal because there were a lot of indicators that the team could finish 29th is fair.
In my mind at least.
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so long as people realize hindsight changes perspective…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Trying to figure out if I should change my user name to Heisenberg or Hawthorne.
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If you changed it to Heisenberg, then you could only know the speed or location of this conversation.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 18, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The MSM still talks about how we “traded away” Scott Niedermayer. Some things are just never going to change.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 18, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny that the MSM never mention that the Winnipeg Jets “traded” Patrick Roy for Picard.
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He is better than Kirk to be fair.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 18, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Boo
Robert Picard (who looks like he’s been very strict about following Archi’s rule #18 in this photo)
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KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
17. JFJ wrote a smart contract leaving that window for a Kaberle trade
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by Future_considerations on Aug 18, 2010 7:55 AM EDT reply actions
hahaha
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
18.
Please don't act like this comment is important
by Archimedies on Aug 18, 2010 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Why did I read that in Nate Dogg’s voice?
Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.
by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
general exception clause
2-i) anything bad that can be said about JFJ or Toskala should be said about JFJ or Toskala.
Also, Kyle Wellwood is fat.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t heard anyone use the “screen door on a submarine” line in a while.
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my 2 cents
I get very frustrated with fans that take the ‘let’s always be negative’ approach, but I understand why they do it. Failure is a lot easier to accept when you’re expecting things to go wrong. And given that 29 out of 30 teams will fail every year, you’re certainly setting yourself up to be right by expecting your team to not win. That’s not a strain of ‘fandom’ I find particularly enjoyable, but to each their own.
I do agree though that in the face of constant negativity (or worse, poorly articulated constant negativity), the ‘go cheer for another team’ route is tempting but ultimately not very good (a point I made myself this past weekend). These people are still fans, they just have a funny way of showing it. That being said, I do think it’s fair to point out how ridiculous it is to belittle EVERY move a team makes. Criticizing everything isn’t ‘objectivity’, it’s just being a sourpuss, and is no more helpful than someone who praises every move no matter what.
Anyways, I’m looking forward to the Leafs becoming a good team again so this place can be all high-fives and group hugs all the time.
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by daoust on Aug 18, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Anyways, I’m looking forward to the Leafs becoming a good team again so this place can be all high-fives and group hugs all the time.
Woo, i can’t wait for pre-season other! What a glorious time.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
*other = either
Not a great way to start the day.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree.
To quote David Foster Wallace:
Critical complain degenerates quickly into plain whining.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
A very reasoned position as always. This isn’t really a counterpoint to you, but sometimes people get shouted down for negativity not for a “let’s always be negative” approach, but for a “I really don’t like this particular move and you’re not convincing me otherwise”.
Some people prefer a “let’s wait and see before condemning a move”; that’s fine. But some like instant analysis (I note no one ever seems to get snippy about instant positive analysis). My humble request is that if some hypothetical poster dislikes a particular BB move, he not get shouted down for doing so as long as Skinnyfish’s guidelines above are adhered to.
I think it’s worth remembering that even those of us who are probably perceived as more on the negative side (birky, chemmy and mf37 come to mind along with myself—hope I’m being accurate here) are, as far as I can tell, big fans of a lot of moves Burke has made.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are also a ton of ways to be critical (read: negative)
without making it sound like the sky is falling and anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot.
Insightful comment: Brian Burke made a mistake by overpaying for Armstrong. His GVT, point totals and contract length was not in line with market demand, and this may have cost the Leafs the opportunity to sign a more talented player with the cap space.
Not-insightful comment: Burke is an idiot and should be fired. The Kessel trade has ruined this club for years to come. I’m going to wear a bag over my head to every game until Burke and Wilson are fired.
Those are the kind of comments that tend to lead to posters saying “go find another team.”
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
i hate it so much when people post comments like the second one. Especially when they are clearly designed to start an arguement. Also, you forgot that such a comment would also call for the entire team to be fired or burned at the stake/Habscopcar.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Yeah, obviously. I think the grey line is more along the lines of the rapid fire back and forth with sighs and facepalms once the initial battle lines have been drawn. I think that’s where rules 7 and 10 have to be remembered, at least by me.
To me at least, instances of non-insightful comment are pretty rare.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Non-insightful comments
They definitely came up a few days ago, which is probably where (I’m assuming) the need for this “rules update” is based on.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree. I was actually arguing the point on the weekend that negativity needs to be allowed, it can’t be selectively tolerated. I rarely have a problem with negative points you, MF, chemmy, etc make – they’re usually logical and well-reasoned (not including MF’s stance on the "86 days before moving Toskala" or whatever it was). It’s what is perceived as constant or poorly thought-out negativity that can really make people mental.
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Yeah, I read some of that after the fact and really appreciated the points you and a few others made at the time. I certainly don’t agree with the poster who was getting dogpiled at the time, and I understand the “there’s the door” response from some, but I felt a lot better with your approach.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think too is that we all need to vent a little from time to time and use the site as a platform. In cases where it is something we all agree on, – Toskala being DS – there is no issue. If it is something where opinion is split things can become sour as blowing of some steam is interpreted as being habitually negative or too quick to judge.
I think the key is to not take things too seriously, at the end of the day we’re all still spectators no amount of statistical analysis and hand-wringing will change that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
If it is something where opinion is split things can become sour as blowing of some steam is interpreted as being habitually negative or too quick to judge.
Head of nail, meet hammer.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I took plenty of flak for the Dogshit moniker last preseason.
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Yeah I feel pretty good about it.
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but his groin just needs to heal a little more and he’ll be back in 05-06 form!
/sarcasm
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember—that was a massive debate.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
When it comes down to it, PPP and Chemmy have the final say on who stays and who goes.
If somebody’s antagonizing people who have been for ages and not making them want to be here anymore, the new person should absolutely be boot-fucked to a different corner of the Internet, no questions asked.
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Excellent
PPP and Chemmy have the final say on who stays and who goes
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I agree with all your points, but I don’t think senority has a place.
If someone who has been here for ages, is antagonizing someone who is new and not making them want to be here, that’s a paddlin’.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Aug 18, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
The only thing seniority gets you on this website is an email telling you to chill out a little bit if you’re over the line.
Otherwise I don’t care if you’ve been here forever or just one day; if you’re being enough of a dick for me to ban you you’re getting banned.
I’d like to think our ban process is fairly transparent: I ban uninteresting trolls at my discretion and spammer. We’ve only banned one “Leafs fan”, the eight ball guy who was insufferable.
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by Chemmy on Aug 18, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he kept spamming this place with the same 2 or 3 terrible gifs…
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Aug 18, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
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to me, that’s directly related to The Streak. I am definitely a nattering nabob or negativism on occasion, but it’s because I’ve seen these movies before, and I’m starting to dread becoming that Cubs fan who dies at 97 years old never having won it all.
I’m somewhat at peace with it now as I’ve resolved to wear 1967 as something of a badge of honour. But honestly, I just want to win ONE, so I can go back to being just like a fan of any other team for the next decade or so.
When I hate, it’s out of love, is what I’m saying. But I try and keep it to a minimum.
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we should join forces with the general and a few others to form PPP’s Positivity People (or the PPPPP)?
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
BRILLIANT.
ALL RAINBOWS, ALL THE TIME.
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I christen thee: The Care Bears
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WHAT DOES IT MEAN????!!!!1111 SO VIVID.
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hahaha
oh jeebus, rainbow-coloured bacon…
that should be our badge…
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Aug 18, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t fuck with my bacon. Go find another team, you’re a spammer, a dick, and possibly also JFJ and Vesa Toskala’s love-baby in disguise.
:)
Nah, that’s cool, but I don’t see why bacon ever needs to be changed.
bacon can always be changed
to MOAR BACOM
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
BACOM = MOAR BACON!!!!
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by Biff Carrington on Aug 18, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I request that you not put the following players on your Blog’s banner?
Phil Kessel
Jonas Gustavsson
Luke Schenn
Kris Versteeg
Dion Phaneuf
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If eyebleaf needs donations to make that happen I’ll ban everyone on this site and charge $10 a head to be unbanned.
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I would gladly make a donation to this cause.
Also, I think we need to make some rules over which players Chemmy is allowed to have jerseys. This Schenn jersey makes me nervous.
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You better hope they never get authentic new jerseys in…
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dont forget he also has a Kadri jersey.
Hopefully Kadri is gonna be 91 so maybe it will negate the curse
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Schenn and Versteeg aren’t even worthy of discussion to go up there.
Kaberle lives on. We’re reversing the curse.
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You don’t like Luke Schenn?
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I like Luke Schenn. Am looking forward to a break-out season.
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I like Luke Schenn. Am looking forward to a break-outskulls season
me too
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditto.
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s far too much negativity, for real. Life is too short to want to slit your wrists over a terribly mismanaged team. One day, we shall rule the hockey world.
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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You sir are awesome
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in my mind
we’re all holding hands around a campfire and singing the Kaberle song…
♪He makes cross crease passes like you won’t believe♫
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope to really do that one day …
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Opening night bash at the loose moose again anyone?
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We’ll probably forget and replan this like 80 times before then but I’m down.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
make sure you wear the PPPPP badge
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year that was what we did, I say we do it again.
“GET OUT OF THE WAY YOU REF”
server jumps out of the way
“Sorry, I was yelling at the screen”
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/server trembles to the kitchen
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Man that was awesome
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I’m down if we push it back to game 2…
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There’s no rule that says we can’t drink and watch hockey twice.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
WE CAN DO BOTH. IT’LL BE LIKE A DOUBLE RAINBOW.
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Can we make a fifty foot wide “THERE’S ONLY ONE NHL TEAM IN ONTARIO” banner?
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i’m in for the PPPPP.
and i’ll bring the axe – i taught myself the kaberle song, it gets big laughs when i bust it out at the cottage.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Damn thing was stuck in my head all weekend.
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 18, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
HERE’S A SONG ABOUT THE ONE WHO WEARS FIF-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
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Dion Phaneuf
ba-baahhh-ba-da-dah
Dion Phaneuf
Ba-ba-da-bah
Dion Phaneuf
ba-baahhh-ba-da-dah ba-da-dah ba-da-dah dunna bah-bah BADDA bah!
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HE COMES FROM A LAND THAT BEGINS WITH CZECH, HE PLAYS FOR THE OLYMPIC TEEEEEEEEEEEEEAM
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we should petition Dion Phaneuf to change his name so it rhymes
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
He lives under Captain’s roof /
Glorious leader Dion Phaneuf
?
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Up the Ladder to Phaneuf.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Only rhymes if you use Tim Allen’s voice to pronounce roof.
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
He plays for the Czech Nation
Assistant captain to Leafs captain Dion
(and, he really needs to change that lyric to “alternate” not “assistant”…)
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, like I said above in the end we’re all just spectators best to just enjoy the ride.
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
And some stretches of the ride are going to be on a dirt road, in stifling heat, with no air conditioning, or a working radio. And sometimes the car will break down. And you’re going to be stranded on the side of the road, wondering WHY THE FUCK DID I CHOOSE THIS FUCKING GARBAGE PIECE OF SHIT CAR to begin with? But such is life. Then the car will get fixed. And you’ll be rolling on the highway, listening to gin and juice, top down, with this hot blonde in the passenger seat. And the Stanley Cup in the back.
Something like that.
Y’ALL FEEL ME.
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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Unless you’re in the middle of the Australian Outback
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Aug 18, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
If this isn’t green, you have all failed at life
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My first car was a 1992 Ford Tempo. I’ve been there far too many times.
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A car’s no fun if you don’t get to spend any time trying to figure out why it’s making that weird noise, or if maybe it was a bad idea to let it go with the “service” light on for so long without getting checked out, or if you probably should have fixed that dent in the passenger side rear door a year ago.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
drove with the service light on for 2 years, then one day it just went off….. O.o
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s usually just an O2 sensor or something.
Just like the Leafs.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
one of the cylinders was misfiring… i was too lazy to fix it and it somehow fixed itself… still going strong
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
So, like, waiting for Luke Schenn to improve after a rough start last year?
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
haha yea, that works. I took the fucker from toronto to victoria and back, its a 97 ford escort
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
1974 Toyota Corrola. The color was “Gobstopper Yellow” and I say gobstopper because it looked like a yellow gobstopper that someone had sucked on, and then spit out…
and, it’s a perfect metaphor for its driving abilities.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The Toronto Maple Leafs: This too shall pass.
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Persistent negativity and always seeking to paint things in the worst light is both easy and a pain in the ass.
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it’s also typically a sad cry for attention
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Aug 18, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind critical analysis as much as the next guy, in fact I like to see arguments or point from a different view. To me even the outlandishly negative comments have a place here and believe that people have a right to voice their concerns right or wrong. It’s just that with negative comments, (not ones meant to troll but of ones serious concern) mean something to the individual stating it, just as much as our positive or be-loving comments. That is something to remember when replying to these comments.
For myself, I’m more of a wishful fan, I know or see many of the team’s shortcoming or cracks in the wall, that’s the easy thing to see, to me seeing the positives or the potential is more exciting. Being a Leafs fan is like wearing a bulls eye for unbiased and unfounded BS – if not from the MSM its by other fans; we are all more than accustomed to just hearing the negative in a way to solely deliver sorrow and in many cases we are sick of it. So for those times you want to vent your frustrations and bring up negativity with the team or players or whatever, please do so but also keep this in mind that as Leafs fans, we have already been bombed to death with the negativity.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
that’s why we all feel like machiavelli with a lead pipe.
bide our time until our return to power can be accommodated, then grab a hater and start swinging.
If the Leafs win the cup, I for one plan to be insufferable
Someone said this, and I’m sure it applies to everyone
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe it was
When the Leafs win the cup, I for one plan to be insufferable.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I’m not taking credit, just correcting the IF to WHEN.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And given that 29 out of 30 teams will fail every year, you’re certainly setting yourself up to be right by expecting your team to not win.
I tend to apply the Roger Ebert “analytical” model to the Leafs – did the team accomplish its goal?
For the upcoming season, I’d suggest the team should be looking at top 20 finish, solid player development and, hopefully, sniffing at the playoffs.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I think that is an entirely reasonable goal.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
So if they finish 29th, do I get to complain?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Like you need permission to do that.
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Persistent negativity and always seeking to paint things in the worst light is both easy and a pain in the ass.
I get very frustrated with fans that take the ‘let’s always be negative’ approach
Critical complain degenerates quickly into plain whining.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Yeah but you don’t actively seek to paint things negatively, you draw from your own experience.
Sometimes it gets frustrating, but at least when you’re challenged on your points you back them up with facts. And I find if someone’s positive you don’t show up to rain on their parade just for the sake of it.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ding ding ding
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Sometimes I want to rain on the parade…that’s why I didn’t comment on the whole Schenn weight-gain parade.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
See, you have self control, this is why we don’t yell at you.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and we appreciate you for it sir
Also, if we do an opening night (or second game if the boys in Connecticut come up) you’re coming out for beers
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Home opener is October 7, first Saturday night match is the 9th…
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Yeah, I was saying for us to return to Loose Moose for opening night and Chemmy mentioned that if we do it on the second game he may come up.
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With enough notice, I’ll be there.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Let’s do both!
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Depends on why. :)
Whole team gets mono and misses six months, no complaining for you!
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
If they fail, they better be healthy mofos…
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
i have the same goal for the Leafs this year. if they finish 29th, i’ll be complaining with you.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
I think we all will.
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I’d love to figure out what the opposite of the “!1” combo is.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
-0?
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Need to patent something for those who start off seeing the cup as half-empty.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
the opposite of !1
would be 1¡
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
isn’t the opposite of 1 -1?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
could be 0 in binary
could be -1 in integers
could be i in complex
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if they finish 29th i’m going to be in a seriously dark place.
Complaining won’t even work. A self-imposed Leaf hiatus will definitely be in order. I won’t bandwagon and would maintain my fandom but would absolutely have to take an extended time out from reading anything about them or possibly even watching them.
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Holy hell
that is a damn thorough writeup on the player profiles. Awesome read.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
Agreed
You need to put a link to that front and center on the webpage
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Aug 18, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
some of the point projections may be a little high, but all the background data/analysis seems to be pretty bang-on.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed. though I haven’t read it through yet, just a quick skim over a few players.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Aug 18, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Im thankful,
4 – You don’t have to love thy neighbor, but you should at least respects them. Personal attacks of a derogatory manner on other users are unwelcome
I could have used this in the past a few times.
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 18, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions
NHL Tournament:
I’m hoping bennetbomb, AVA752 or Fiddy14 posts here and we don’t know about it. Step forward.
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i was a little divided on how to feel after seeing Jeffler got bounced.
On the one hand, it seemed like whoever wins the tournament won’t be a PPP regular, and that made me sad, but on the other hand, seeing folks talk smack before they’ve even met their competition and then losing is kinda funny…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus he totally Alfredsson’d it.
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that
definitely made it delicious
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m saying it’s because he has a Sens jersey.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I should get some recognition for being far and away the worst player.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you have NHL 09? I challenge you to a stink-off.
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Nope. If I’d had another year’s game worth of practise, I might be marginally less terrible.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
95% of the internet is porn?
Pretty conservative estimate don’t you think
Also, 20. If your getting angry at someone comments towards you and you feel the need to retort, just post a Wellwood is fat/ Toskala joke and make everyone forget their troubles
Also acceptable
(assuming the thread isn’t already full of them) is your favourite happy picture/.gif
Positivity shall overpower negativity!
There's always money in the banana stand.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
So we’ll march day and night,
By the big cooling tower,
They have the plant,
But we have the power.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Dental plan.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Flanders: It feels like I’m wearing… nothing at all!
…Nothing at all!
…Nothing at all!
Stupid sexy Flanders!
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Pff
what you call a fail I call taking this Simpsons quote reply chain to the next level!
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks a lot, Carl
Now I lost my train of thought.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Aug 18, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at them all, through the darkness I’m bringing.
They’re not sat at all, they’re actually singing!
They sin without juicers, they sing without bleders.
They sing without flunjers, capdabblers and smendlers
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Aug 18, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Hockey news has us ranked 12th in the Eastern for the coming season……..They had us at 11th last year so…….15th?
Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!
When I think of standings projections
which are almost impossible to do, I guess I just think: Who do we have a realistic chance of beating, given these teams on paper?
Strike out obvious contenders who we realistically have no chance of passing:
Atlanta
Boston
Buffalo
Carolina
Florida
Montreal
New Jersey
NYI
NYR
Ottawa
Philly
Pittsburgh
Tampa
Washington
Of the remaining, I think it’s possible to go higher than the ones in bold:
Atlanta
Carolina
Florida
Montreal
NYI
NYR
Ottawa
Tampa
And the others are wild cards. (i.e. Montreal may implode with Price and no Halak, Ottawa may not have a miracle run, Tampa may not be nearly as good as everyone thinks it will be)
I’d be comfortable putting us anywhere from 10-12th. Obviously Aiming for 7th/8th is still the goal.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
We can only hope we get above average goal tending and someone other than Kessel steps us and provides scoring………..I think our D-men will be much better this year without having to worry about Toskala.
Toronto Maple Leafs: Nowhere to go but up!
by LeafFan1989 on Aug 18, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a standings projection that did more than look at last year and move teams up or down no more than 3 or 4 slots based on off-season moves. The reality is a much more in-depth analysis is necessary—who was hurt last year, who had unsustainably low/high performances and will re/pro-gress to the mean, who’s getting younger, who’s getting older. And then there’s the unknown of course.
My detailed projection of the Leafs current roster has them around 90 points if they get league average goaltending, but I just don’t have the time to do that for every other team. I very much look forward to Puck Prospectus’ VUKOTA projections, which some have referred to in the past, and do actually perform a detailed analysis of each roster on its merits (not just a cursory review of off-season moves and bump the team up or down a couple spots).
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we’ll definitely be better than Florida, Ottawa and Atlanta.
I think we’ll definitely be worse than Philly, Pittsburgh, New Jersey (assuming Kovalchuk re-signs), Washington, Tampa Bay, (I think will have a solid season) and Buffalo (if only because we’re going to lose at least 3 games to them like we always do)
That leaves us in the middle with Boston (probably towards the top of this group), Montreal (contingent on goaltending), Rangers, Islanders (hard to tell when the youth is going to gell like it did in LA), and Carolina (literally have no idea what to expect of this team from year to year),
Basically I think a reasonable expectation is anywhere from 7th to 12th.
Resident Capologist
re: boston
chara + rask is probably on its own good enough for playoff status.
healthy savard/krejci/lucic with horton doing whatever he can do puts them into the “if this team doesn’t make the playoffs then they will shoot the management” category.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya
I love stats-based approaches but frankly everyone else is much better at them than I am.
My reason for crossing out the 6 is obvious though (on paper):
- Boston: improved their goal-scoring issues with adding Horton. Goaltending still strong.
- Buffalo: Ryan fucking Miller. That is all.
- NJ: Assuming they still get Kovy, they’re a godamn perennial contender as long as Brodeur is at least average for Brodeur.
- Philly: Only glaring weakness is goaltending. Almost cost them a playoff spot last year, but we’ve all seen that you can manage to be competitive without an elite goaltender.
- Pitt: Z. Michalek, Martin in; Gonchar, Poni out. I’d call that a net benefit.
- WSH: obvious.
The remaining are crapshoots.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
I was reading the ESPN pre-season rankings yesterday and they stated for the Leafs that “Youth did not serve them well last year”. Clearly, they think that the Leafs who played from Feburary 1 on were the team all year, and didn’t pay attention to the Leafs whatsoever.
I’ve never really looked at Puck Porspectus’ VUKOTA projections, but I will this year.
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
i usually makes my guesses on this stuff based on additions/subtractions to the team, and then compare to others.
For Toronto, I think the forwards corps has improved (although not as much as I’d hoped) and the defence is largely unchanged. Goaltending was the determining factor in the season last year, and it looks to be improved. So in and of themselves, the leafs are a bit better up front and in goal.
Of the rest of the conference:
Capitals — stayed the same, possibly slight improvement
Devils — depends on Kovalcunk sitch, obviously, but he seems likely to go there in some form, and they will benefit from an entire year of him. if not, could be in for a fall as depth is even weaker and Brodeur’s a year older
Buffalo — due for a fall back since there’s no way Miller can be as insanely good again and their skater corps got slightly weaker
Penguins — largely unchanged. Martin can bring what Gonch did
Senators — suspect depth got even weaker, alfie’s a year older, bubble playoff team
Bruins — improved weakness (scoring goals) without depleting strengths. Should be better. My pick to win the NE.
Philly — playoff Flyers were what i expected all year. Some Q in goal, but should be a solid team
Montreal — lucky to make playoffs last year, and got a bit weaker.
Rangers — largely unchanged, perhaps marginally worse
Thrashers — who the hell knows? total lineup overhaul = wildcard
Hurricanes — lots of bad luck last year, should be better. Especially in a weak division.
Lightning — definitve improvement. Very good Top 6 forwards, with some q’s on depth and in net. But I think the lightning are a playoff team
Islanders — unchanged.
Panthers — terrible.
So i’d say there’s 3 teams that definitely got worse, 4 that definitely got better and a bunch i can’t get a read on. Best case for Leafs is probably a low seed playoff team. If absolutely EVERYTHING goes right for them they take 2nd in the division behind Boston and ahead of Buffalo.
For this year, 7th or 8th is the hopefully attainable goal
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I’d agree. Don’t forget with the Rangers if Gaborik’s groin explodes they could be in the draft lottery.
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i’m skeptical about Buffalo. not sure how big a fall we could see, as I really do think Ryan Miller is redonkulous, and Ruff is smart enough to know how to build a system around the fact that they’ll need to win a lot of games 1-0 or 2-1. Plus, Vanek is kinda good…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
They’ll be fine. They didn’t lose much that wasn’t declining anyway. Most of their good guys are young, and a year better now. And Miller really is that good.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Question: Does Myers get the Sophomore Slump?
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 18, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
since he’s in the division and i’m tired of hearing about him, GOD i hope so.
but he’ll be a fine player in the long run.
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id love to see schenn turn him into a fine paste at some point
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
08-09: Sabres miss the playoffs by 2 pts. Miller misses 13 games from Feb 21 to Mar 27
07-08: Sabres miss the playoffs by 4 pts. Miller plays 13 more games than the year prior, and still manages 2.64 and .906% . And this is after losing Briere & Drury and trading Campbell at the deadline.
So I’m guessing if there are teams that always have steady goaltending and are always better with less, dollars to doughnuts it will be Buffalo (and their Western doppelganger, Nashville).
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But but, what about Frolov!!
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a good analysis. The one point I’d add is the Devils have no one on the blueline who can move the puck. This could bite them—could spend a whole lot of time in their own end when Parise isn’t on the ice.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Want an interested stat on the Devils' blueline?
The only defenseman on their roster to ever score more than 21 points in an NHL season?
Andy Greene when he got 37 last year playing in place of an injured Paul Martin.
That’s kind of ridiculous.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
And 15 of those were on the PP, where he led the team in TOI.
Let’s just say I’m not sold on Andy Greene as the second coming of Scott Niedermayer (or even Tomas Kaberle).
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I thought his point totals were more a reflection of “someone’s gotta get the ice time and points” than of “Andy Greene is a top-pair D-man”.
Sort of like someone will probably average 20+ for the Raps next year just because someone has to take the shots. Doesn’t mean that someone is actually any good.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
dood
Niedermayer score more than 21 points every year except one in Jersey.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i’ve been expecting a Devils fall-back to earth for about five years now. But they persist. And Zach Parise is seriously a beast. I thought he’d be very good. But he’s excellent.
The Devils today are a shadow of the stacked team they once were, especially with defensive depth as you point out. But I’ve learned not to bet against them. On paper, if a few things go against them, they could definitely tumble very very far.
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I’ll be working on a fanpost for later tonight or tomorrow, but basically the Leafs are in serious danger of being 30th in the league in goals scored, which would probably kill any chance of making the playoffs
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This is exactly the type of positivity I’m talking about.
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by clrkaitken on Aug 18, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We can mock him for this now, but he’ll be laughing when he goes to a Leaf game for $11.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
heh, not like me, shelling out $175 bones for a ticket to the home opener
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
When the Hurricanes played in Greensboro back in the late 90’s, you could get lower bowl tickets for free
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You’re a dick.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because I try to be realistic about our chances doesn’t mean I don’t hope for better results.
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this is what i mean.
expecting the worst does not equal ‘realisitic’.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
by daoust on Aug 18, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
While negative, it is a valid concern.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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hahah
I feel the same way but I hope I’m wrong…but I think I’m right.
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the bruins did pretty well last year for having league last goal scoring
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand, we were fucking terrible last season and without having the #1 and #16 goalies in the league we would’ve had 2 lottery picks.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 18, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Leafs are going to have Vezina quality goaltending. Much better yes but not that good.
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Funny thing, the Bruins didn’t exactly get Vezina quality goaltending last year either… that was the year before.
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
tuukka whatshisface?
1.97 and .931% = #1 in both categories = probably vezina if he plays 10-15 more games
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 19, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
so long as you only use purely anecdotal evidence based primarily on NHL10 and the fact that Ronnie Dub is a bad bad mean dooty head, it’s all gravy.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we have above-average offence from the blue line which will push us up to the low 20s in goal scoring. If we get average goaltending and above average defence that puts us on the bubble.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 18, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
i like that the most common word round these parts is “average”
COME ON AVERAGE!!!!1
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
CROMULENCE!!!1
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean if Boston can make the playoffs, with 2.39 G/G, the Leafs sure can.
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 18, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
my plan
hope for first, settle for 8th
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we all just need hockey to start.
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by birky on Aug 18, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I feel like a randy teenager who has to wait another 5 years for sex….
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 18, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
this should be GREEN
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
#1
Is the absolute best. In fact, I’d be happy if I never heard another reference to NHL10 or 11 again.
Besides, everyone knows NHL94 is the best.
Loving the Leafs is like being in love with a drug-addled, gambling addicted prostitute with a heart of gold and a bunch of humanitarian awards from her youth. It’s hard. It hurts. But dammit! I just love them!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 18, 2010 10:03 AM EDT reply actions
Cant make a kaberle for ryan deal :( on 94… But yeah its awesome!!! Still play it on my genesis! lol
by hockeyphreak on Aug 18, 2010 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Myself and two other long time members of the community got into it the other day, which should not have happened. As “Vets”, we should be the ones setting the example for the rest of the community. I hope that no one takes my negativity the wrong way. I am generally not a negative person, but this summer has left me with serious concerns about this hockey team. Regardless of what people say, it should never get to the point that it got to on Monday, and for that, I apologize.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Could I also recommend to not jump on the people who will eventually break these rules.
A simple/polite reminder or link to the “rules” would go a lot further than 10+ replies bashing them for their mistake.
Here here.
I was just going to post something similar, but lengthier. I think it would be a good idea for the people that post/comment on a regular basis to try and at least steer the new commenter in the appropriate direction as opposed to taking what I see as the easy way out and call them a moron.
If violence isn't the answer, then why the hell are you asking such stupid questions?
by JoshuaDPreston on Aug 18, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Also, for most rules, let Chemmy and I jump in.
On the other hand, new people should follow the community guidelines and the recommendation to follow the community to get a feel for it first before jumping in.
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Also, for most rules, let Chemmy and I jump in.
Unlike our absentee landlord PPP I’m around all day. If something particular ugly is happening email me using the link at the bottom of the page and I will come dispense justice.
Be warned that once emailed justice will be dispensed no matter what. If no one broke rules and you bothered me for nothing you will be the target.
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I’m not absentee :(
But yeah, be careful who you e-mail because one of us will try to act diplomatically (ie canadian) and the other is Chemmy.
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I SAID I WAS SORRY ABOUT THAT
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s “Good Cop, Crazy Cop” not “Crazy Cop, Craziest Cop”
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I think it’s “Crazy Cop… hey, where’s his partner??”
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
And then BAM! There he is.
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Link
Fuck, looks like I’ve got competition in the MSM Hockey Humor niche:
What’s worth more, Tomas Kaberle or 3 zebras?
I hope no 50-year veteran fans get confused by it.
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by Down Goes Brown on Aug 18, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
It reads like it was written by a 50 year old fan.
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Cathal Kelly’s on of The Star’s wittier writers. Love his work. Not sure if you caught his work during the World Cup, but it was golden.
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I don’t do soccer.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t mean to get all up into your personal life. Sorry, mate.
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Ain’t no thang.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Never did (not really a soccer fan) but will keep an eye out for his stuff in the future.
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by Down Goes Brown on Aug 18, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I skimmed through an saw the “LA KINGS – Dude,” then closed it promptly.
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 18, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
couldnt even get half way through before i closed the window
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
you've changed man
it used to be all about the music…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
The PPP rules haven’t changed. You’ve changed.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I love that I started this most-nonsensical meme.
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no joke
one of the Kaberle articles I read on Monday literally said “Kaberle hasn’t changed, the Leafs have changed”.
I meant to send it to you and forgot.
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Love this post
I think everyone here has been guilty of breaking these rules. Lets hope with the season around the corner we can go back to the good times.
I think we all remember the thread when Grabbo resigned and Komikazi was born…
Good times
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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hahaha awesome. john cleese nails it perfectly.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
good times those were
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think everyone here has been guilty of breaking these rules.
Accusing gentle nhlcheapshot of a misdeed? That’s the last straw!
There's always money in the banana stand.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 18, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m innocent too!!
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but you are new, you will break the rules
Game day threads are notorious for that.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 18, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
the thing that i love best about this place is that it manages to self polices itself so that ignorant comments and flamewars are the exception, not the rule. I left the BOO about a year ago and haven’t looked back.
Anything I can do to keep this place a destination of intelligent analysis AND hilarity i will strive to do
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I like that we can post something to nudge people back on track and everyone not only welcomes it but recognises that their own behaviour contributing to bringing the re-alignment about.
Very adult…and different for the internet I think.
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I’ve been told that it’s a series of tubes
RIP
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Adult???
Like, porn?
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, there was that one Bozak goal against Philly last year…
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyTa7zHXQEE
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BOZAK IS THE NEW HOTNESS - NSFW
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Would a jersey with ♥’s before and after a player’s name be a jersey foul? Do ♥’s cost extra?
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
man, you try to be funny, but man, I hope you weren’t planning on being a comedian
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I’m not funny. And that was actually a valid question.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Picturing it made me smile.
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same game, Kessel with the no look pass to Kulemin
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
add those 2 gifs together
and you got a PHILTHY first line…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I uh… need… to …..
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
WOOO!
just popped in to brag a bit.
just got a call from MLSE, and I won me the first big prize from the coke zero contest.
get to watch the warm ups from the penalty box and a tour of the acc, includignt he dressing room.
Anyone want to me swipe somethign for them?
yes please
an autographed Kabbie/Luke jersey, Brian Burke’s tie, and a bout of truculence
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That’s awesome, congrats!
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so awesome, would love to have the grand tour of the ACC, I got to do one of the gardens when I was younger but I would love to see how the new dressing rooms look
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I love arenas, so this was a great win. I got to tour the new windsor arena dn the GM centre in Oshawa with the city council and ice dog boosters to kcik off the new arena planning. both are great spots, in oshawa they made sure the team wasn’t in the dressing room when we took a peek,( sorry lone spitfire we saw half naked.)
Congrats!
Take pictures. Post them.
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You guys is awesome
I haven’t been around much since the end of last season, but it’s really great to come back and see so many familiar and friendly faces. It’s hard to say exactly what makes this place so great, and why it’s so fun to be a part of, but I continue to be impressed at the high level of respect, intellect, humour, and genuine camaraderie found here, and there isn’t a better place for knowledgeable hockey-related discussions, anywhere.
by general borschevsky on Aug 18, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
amen
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Next time we meet, you’re getting the whipped cream birthday shot.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
I hope he does it the right way
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Is anyone else picturing Will Farrell now?
mirtle Flames announce the appointment of Michel Goulet as western professional scout.
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions
Its called "Murder at the Make Believe Ballroom"
… its a little ‘inside’, i know.
Da ba dee da, da ba doooo
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
GOULET!
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd suggest two things:
For those who love advanced stats, please understand that this sort of thing is in its infancy in hockey and the analysis is far from all-encompassing. There is a tremendous amount of analysis that isn’t happening because the base data is incomplete and therefore cannot be worked into the model. A given player’s GVT is not the be-all and end-all of discussion. That’s not to say that the measures developed aren’t interesting. They are. They’re just limited.
When challenged, don’t fall back on “I’m just trying to be reasonable” or “sorry for trying to have an intelligent discussion.” It’s passive-aggressive and unnecessary.
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by 1967ers on Aug 18, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I don’t mind advanced stats as they can bring a fresh perspective to the game, especially considering the traditional metrics like plus/minus are so obviously flawed. However, I get annoyed when people start throwing around obtuse acronyms showing that one player is plus or minus 0.1 better than another player as some kind of conclusive argument. I was able to sort of keep up with things like Corsi (I know, not an acronym) and GVT, but when some of the really arcane stuff comes up my eyes glaze over.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
i know i say i don’t like advanced stats, but the truth is, i don’t mind them (there, I said it. OK. ARE YOU HAPPY!?!?)
I do mind the fact that, as you’ve said, bits and pieces of data are used as if they are complete pictures. Metaphorically speaking, if the GVT as a stat were a work of art, it might be Mona Lisa’s nose, or her smile. it’s something, but it’s not everything. it’s also why i put in my (honest to goodness serious fanshot) O’Sullivan post the point about stats in context.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
math is for nerds
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The geeks shall inherit the Earth.
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by puckurgently on Aug 18, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
not if i get their lunch money, then they will starve!
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude you post more than all of us combined. You’re the biggest geek we know of.
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NERD!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Shockingly
I, too, do not actually dislike advanced stats, I just dislike statements based upon advanced stats being presented as unarguable. It seems to me that fans of these stats can’t even always agree on what they are supposed to be measuring, so I’m not sure how valid these conclusions can be. I do like measuring the game in more relevant ways than just thinks like +/- etc. and welcome discussion including advanced stats… I just question them being the end all and be all of a discussion.
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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
my new insult is telling people they have a terrible CORSI
and by new I mean starting right now
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey my Corsi Rel QoC is pretty good.
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If you add a “u” and Jared’s mad spelling skills, you can turn “Corsi Rel QoC” into
“Soccer Liquor”
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