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Frantisek Kaberle Sr: "I don't understand why Tomas is staying in Toronto"

Editor's Note: The following is a translation of an article written on a Czech website by Blurr's friend Romdgpce who was kind enough to help out. Be sure to thank him. I tried to edit it for readability so any errors are my own. If you can read Czech you can find the original article by Jan Vacek on Hokej.cz. Maybe the family problems that Damien Cox obliquely referenced without providing any sort of proof was that Frantisek hates the Leafs and Tomas does not.

It seemed for a long time that last season, after years filled with speculation, that Tomas Kaberle would be traded from Toronto to another NHL club . Maple Leafs General Manager Brian Burke could deal the Czech national team's defender at his discretion when the Czech defender's no-trade clause expired in late June. There was great interest in the thirty-two year old player, however, the Canadian club did not find any of their offers of interest. Kaberele will therefore continue to wear the blue and white. "To be honest, I do not understand this step," Frantisek Kaberle senior said in an interview with www.hokej.cz.

Toronto has just gone through another failed season in the [NLH]. The best earning organization in the NHL, which has the support of up to twenty million supporters worldwide, failed once again to work their way into the playoffs for the fifth time in a row. The main problem was obvious for the Maple Leafs - poor productivity. Coach Ron Wilson managed in the regular season to secure just 214 goals, which still isn't even the worst amount since the 1997/1998 season. Even as such, Tomas Kaberle was expected to leave the famous club in the summer.

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Toronto general manager Brian Burke announced ahead of time that he would like to obtain an offensive superstar for the Czech national team player in order to help the talented Phil Kessel in overcoming the withering offense. Toronto received several offers during the summer months none of which satisfied the Canadian superclub. The thirty-two year old defenceman will don the Maple Leafs jersey again next season after which his contract will expire and he will become an unrestricted free agent.

The possibility of moving Tomas Kaberle from Toronto has already been discussed for many years now and it was generally expected to happen just after the end of last year. "I have to admit that I expected it a bit too. I really don't understand Tomas staying on in Toronto," said Frantisek Kaberle senior, shaking his head. The native of Rakovnik, the Czech Republic, last year racked up a total of forty-nine points, and was one of the most valued defenders on the team.

Yet, Frantisek Kaberle senior does not fully embrace his son remaining on the Canadian team. "I can't imagine how it will be to get along with Ron Wilson, who relies primarily on aggression and stress. And that's not Tomas, he is a technical type of defender," he said. Despite the fact of earning an excellent reputation over the course of eleven seasons in the NHL, he can get less ice-time in the following year.

The reasons are obvious. Toronto boasts a defensive corps of excellent and well-paid defenders. Brian Burke currently has eight defencemen under contract, whose total annual income is an astronomical 27 million dollars. "Moreover, it is common practice in the NHL that teams play with six defenders in the vast majority of cases. Two excellent and above all well-paid defenders will not play the whole game themselves," pointed out Frantisek Kaberle senior. However, it is possible for the Canadian club to make changes to its rearguard by the start of next season. The defensive rebuild began last summer with Brian Burke bringing in Francois Beauchemin from Anaheim.

Another new addition was the emphatic Mike Komisarek with which the Maple Leafs entered into a three-year contract, allowing the former Montreal blueliner to earn 4.5 million per year. Then, during the course of the regular season last year, a blockbuster trade with Calgary brought in all-star Dion Phaneuf, who was appointed team captain several months later after the departure of former club captain Mats Sundin. The Canadian defenseman, with an annual income of 6.5 million dollars, is also the best paid player in the club. The Maple Leafs also have Jeff Finger (3.5 million), Luke Schenn (2.975 million), Brett Lebda (1.45 million) and the talented Carl Gunnarsson (0.8 million) on their defensive line.

Toronto have found their defensive lines to be too tight. The Maple Leafs have been having trouble offensively and therefore it was assumed that Burke would exchange Kaberle for a skillful sniper. The overseas media (Editor's Note: in this case, the local mittenstringers) speculated that either Mike Ribeiro from Dallas, Ryan Malone of Tampa Bay, or Boston's Marc Savard were possibly in the running. "We have information that Malone will later be a problem with the salary cap. Contracts with Steven Stamkos and Simon Gagne are expiring and a new contract with Martin St. Louis is in the works. In two years even Victor Hedman will be without a contract," said Kaberle senior.

Boston's Marc Savard has the reputation of having a fantastic record. Toronto would be significantly helped by his offense. "The problem is his health. He suffered a concussion last season and there is the possibility of a similar blow to his head and it could even end up as finishing his hockey career. In this regard, such a trade for Toronto would have been very risky, " said Kaberle senior. However, no exchange took place and the experienced defenseman will spend the last year of his contract with his beloved club. "I think that Tomas won't even comment on it anymore. He is content in Toronto with both the club and the city. I still think though that some change would be welcomed," he added.

The participant in this year's Olympic Games in Vancouver has repeatedly been heard saying that he would like to go for the famous Stanley Cup (Editor's Note: Does his refusal to waive is NTC back that up? Not really...). He has only gotten to the conference finals so far in Toronto. It is hard to say how the changes that occurred in the summer will reshape the Maple Leafs in the following year. While Burke talks about at least making the playoffs, overseas experts are however skeptical. "Thanks to Tomas, I have been following Toronto for a long time. I didn't believe it much in the beginning, but it seems that the best players don't want to go to this club. The reason is because of the huge pressure from the fans, and especially the media. Not every hockey player is able to deal with it (Editor's Note:  wah wah wah)," says Tomas' father.

A lack of offense will certainly be the main weakness of the Candian club. "Toronto is still unable to replace Sundin. Phil Kessel, however talented, is still not enough. However during the summer Brian Burke brought Colby Armstrong from Atlanta and Kris Versteeg from Chicago to the club, who will definitely contribute. But I am not convinced that it will be enough for the Maple Leafs to compete with the best clubs in the Eastern Conference," reminds Frantisek Kaberle, of the overwhelming force of Washington and Pittsburgh.

"If it is only about defense, then they certainly have no problem there. They should be able to draw on the reliable work of the talented Jonas Gustavsson, who in his first reason in the NHL was trying to find his bearings. Certainly he should get more time in goal than Giguere whose performance does not correspond to him getting six million a year," he adds.

If during the upcoming season nothing major happens, and it happens that Tomas Kaberle will be a free unrestricted agent and could agree to any contract with any elite overseas competitor. However, his father doesn't predict such a thing happening. "I think that during the course of the year he will be traded to another club. There is just only one chance for Toronto, how to get something back in return for Tomas. In my opinion, I can't see Tomas entering a new contract with the club. No, not if Ron Wilson will continue to be employed in the future," says Kaberle senior.

We are happy that Tomas is staying on the team, his teammates said of him.

His current teammates on the celebrated team acknowledged that the thirty-two year old will continue to play for Toronto. "I've been lucky enough to be defence partners with him. He's such a good player out there, he's smart and controls the game, he's great on the power play and is one of the top defencemen in the league," the talented defenceman Luke Schenn, who the Maple Leafs drafted during the first round in 2008, told the Canadian television network TSN.

The experienced Mike Komisarek welcomes competition for a spot on the blueline. "Guys are going to be pushing each other and guys are going to be fighting for spots. So something good comes out of that. Business is business. Guys get moved and it's part of what we do. Our GM is trying to put the best possible team out there and obviously we couldn't get the value that we wanted for Kabby so we're happy to have him back," said the twenty-eight year old native from West Islip.

Even the talented Nazem Kadri, who went through the draft process last year, rushed out with praise for the Czech representative. "Tomas is one of the best defensemen in the entire league. We will be a stronger team next year due to the fact that we managed to keep him, I am convinced of this," said the former London and Kitchener sniper from the AHL.

Brian Burke indicated during an interview on Tuesday with the Ottawa Sun that he has plans to open negotiations on a new contract with Kaberle's agent Rick Curran although no-one dares to guess at any developments. Should they not reach an agreement within the first half of 2010-2011, Burke will look towards trading Kaberle to another club during the winter trade season

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by Chemmy on Aug 18, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

What was wrong?

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by PPP on Aug 18, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Waiving a NTC ...
The participant in this year’s Olympic Games in Vancouver has repeatedly been heard saying that he would like to go for the famous Stanley Cup (Editor’s Note: Does his refusal to waive is NTC back that up? Not really…).

Just because a player refuses waive his NTC does not mean said player has no desire to win a Stanley Cup. There are so many issues involved when a player is moving, including and especially family. It’s such a blanket statement, and not to mention ignorant to think, that if a player refuses to waive a NTC while playing for a shitty team (see: Toronto Maple Leafs), he doesn’t want to win a Cup.

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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Disagree vociferously

And agree as well. You can spin it either way. Without knowing who he was being told he might go to he might be on either side of the fence. If Burke said “Well, I’m going with New Jersey” then that’s far from a slam dunk cup. If it was Chicago or Detroit (as an example) then yeah, I think it’s fair to question whether his actions match up with his words.

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by PPP on Aug 18, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

personally

i disagree with the concept that any professional athlete “doesn’t care about winning”

Some may care more for the trappings of fame and wealth, but you don’t make it to this level without competitive fire.

Tomas Kaberle wants to win a Cup. Above all else? I have no idea, but neither does anyone but him.

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by pevans on Aug 18, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i tend to agree with that. there’s a reason it’s difficult to become a professional in many fields, and that drive is what sepereates them.

to us peons grinding away for the man, a job doing what we love and making a lot of money in the process sounds like the goal to strive for. and it’s also probably why we’re not the ones making all the dough and doing the thing we love…

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t mean he doesn’t care at all but it’s not what drives his decisions.

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by PPP on Aug 18, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ding.

You are correct.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Aug 18, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

F. Kaberle Senior cracks me up. He’s also called both of his sons “soft” defensemen. I think we should add him to the scouting team.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 18, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Kind of wierd to read that Kabba’s dad is worried about Tomas getting along with Wilson, yet Kaberle himself doesnt seem to care and wants to stay regardless.

Makes me think that Tomas has thicker skin than people give him credit for, either that or he thinks he’ll end up outlasting wilson. Which could end up being true…. After 10+ years in the NHL I find it hard to beleive that Wilson would rattle Tomas so much he would want to leave the organization hes spent his whole career with.

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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

A parent would worry about the kid more than the kid would worry about himself.

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by 1967ers on Aug 18, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

100% true

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by PPP on Aug 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed, i think thats what im getting at here. Tomas’ dad is all upset about it, but it seems like Tomas is perfectly happy staying where he is. Everyone around him is making a big deal out of it and he just wants all the chatter about it to go away and just play hockey….. but like what has been mentioned before, this is Toronto, it wont just ‘go away’.

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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

purely anecdotal and generalized statement

buy my buddy Rom who translated this said Czech’s aren’t big fans of aggressive coaches (which I’m assuming means personality, and not necessarily the style of game played…), so it could just be that Frank Sr. isn’t a fan of what he’s read about Wilson…

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

i should add, Frank’s dad is (or was, not sure…) a coach himself, so this may be a case of him thinking he knows what’s best for Tomas (be that true or not)

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

gah

Frank’s dad, who is also Tomas’ dad, who is Frantisek Kaberle Sr.

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh.

Could also be that Tomas has complained about stress at work while speaking with his parents. We don’t know.

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by JP Nikota on Aug 18, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Czechs aren’t aggressive people at all, not in their nature. Kaberle will just keep doing what he has been doing lately, and will probably just keep shrugging off Wilson.

by Romdgpce on Aug 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Czechs get tough when necessary. The Prague Spring!

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by pevans on Aug 18, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta ask… what do you base that on?

by Czechboy on Aug 18, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he is living in the Czech Republic right now.

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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correctomundo

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would doubt that Tomas Kaberle’s father is lobbying for a more aggressive on-ice style of play, since his son’s aggression reminds me of those tiny worms who live on the bottom of the sea, and retract back into their holes when anything larger than phytoplankton comes within 20 feet of them.

A propos of nothing, the Habs top line reminds me of phytoplankton

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by pevans on Aug 18, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

A decade of being a Leaf. Of course he has thicker skin than people give him credit for!

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by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 18, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally, which is why i dont get why the media makes a big deal out of “Wilson hates kaberle, Kaberle doesnt like to be yelled at” or however they want to spin it. Hockey coaches piss off their players all the time, doesnt mean that the guy getting yelled at wants to jump ship and leave the team hes played on for a decade….. but then again, who knows, maybe it does

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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i’m sure pat quinn was all kittens & sunshine during his tenure too.

kaberle is fine with the coaching.. i blame cox for this humdrum.

by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 18, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

While Burke talks about at least making the playoffs, overseas experts are however skeptical

Wow. I hope they’re not talking about the MSM.
It sounds like a soap opera: I can see poor little Tomas defying his father to work in the promised land under the evil tyrant known only as “Ron Wilson”

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by Leafer87 on Aug 18, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

It's the Avatar/Pocahontas story...

Kaberle moves to a foreign land and learns our language. While here he develops his hockey skills to the point where he is now more skilled than the natives whose game it is. He learns to love life in the “savage” environment of Toronto and begins to see how things he once thought strange — constant media presence, pressure-cooker environment, mysterious lack of post-season hockey — actually form a delicate and beautiful ecosystem.

Still to come:
- marrying Brian Burke’s daughter
- defecting and playing for team Canada, leading them to victory over the imperialist Czech Republic

by potvin vs hextall on Aug 18, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Frank Sr

is a dirty Habs fan.

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

You know, Kaberle’s dad is a pretty smart dude. I really feel for Tomas…so much bullshit about shopping him around then not doing it. I would want to leave if I was him.

by PhilSpecter on Aug 18, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

You know, I agree with some of what he said and disagree with a lot but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is what the butting heads was about.

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by PPP on Aug 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I must continually point out that Kaberle WAS NEVER SHOPPED. Say what you will about Burke’s verbal diarrhea, he was consistent on Kaberle. They’re not giving him away. They know what his value is, and if someone wants to offer that, they’ll listen.

Never, anywhere, did Burke ever say he wanted to trade Kaberle.

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Leafer87 on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

What people think is unfortunately what counts. Since there was the general perception of shopping around, that is what will make Kabs and his father feel sour about the whole affair.

by PhilSpecter on Aug 18, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then be sour with the media, not the GM.

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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

if Joe Q Public’s opinion is what truly matters, then Joe Q Public need do a better job of educating themselves.

My opinion has zero bearing on Kaberle’s future.

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the same reason its our fault that they lose.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 18, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

As in, general public opinion without basic fact-checking or logic to back up the argument.
Its so fucking rampant its scary.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 18, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

burke also said he didn’t make any offers himself, he only accepted. if he really wanted to get rid of him, he would have been actively making offers.

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by daoust on Aug 18, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

when the details don’t fit the story, unfortunately, the details don’t get too much ink…

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, are those Montreal jerseys optimized for old school 3D..

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by Future_considerations on Aug 18, 2010 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Nothing wrong with Kabs staying put

It’s more than just thick skin … it’s personality. Tomas is a very internal guy. He has this ability – one that few pro athletes have – to simply shut out everything that is going on around him.

Aside from trade speculation, when do you ever hear about the guy outside of a boxscore context? You don’t. He just disappears into his own comfort zone and pays no mind to anything outside of the game itself. The quiet professional, you could say.

I’d pay more attention to this whole soap opera, and all of the what ifs involved, if Tomas had ever actually said anything himself. His silence through all of this speaks volumes. As for his agent, whatever. He’s doing his job looking out for his guy – although, in reality, the agent was really only selling himself to future clients with his comments. That’s all that little tirade was about.

Personally, I think the Leafs are lucky to have a guy like Kaberle on the roster. Always calm, always focussed, doesn’t buy into any of the hype or drama, just goes about his business, goes home and calls it a day. Take a look around some of the other major sports … especially the NFL and NBA … wouldn’t it be something if more athletes followed that example.

Anyway. Tomas will sign, and probably for a pretty reasonable rate too … if there is another NTC involved that is. What’s so bad about a guy who wants to play his entire career in one place, especially one of his talent level (second half of 09-10 notwithstanding … Phaneuf didn’t do so hot either so it’s hardly a case of Kaberle regressing … the first half stats are proof enough of that). Sure, Burke doesn’t give NTCs … but he does give limited ones. Just ask Komisarek. I’m betting Kaberle winds up with something similar in exchange for a hometown discount on a 4-5 year deal.

And the Leafs will be better for it if he does … or, at least, better than they would be with an overpaid 2nd liner (Malone) and late 1st in weak draft.

I can live with that.

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by GarrettBauman on Aug 18, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

See, I want to believe he’ll re-sign, but I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that it won’t happen and I am just removing all expectations so as to avoid disappointment.

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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

late 1st in weak draft.

It won’t be weak come next June.

And I don’t know that Tomas has that thick of skin. He really tailed off last year and I think it was in large part because of the speculation. That’s why I’d rather have Burke sort out an extension or a deal ASAP.

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by PPP on Aug 18, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

One bit of leverage Burke did gain from all of this is that he can now go to the agent and say “Look this is what all the other teams told us Kaberle was worth… there’s your ballpark for starting contract negotiations”.

by general borschevsky on Aug 18, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is something I hadn’t though of which seems very relevant.

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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the flip side: Curran can now go to Burke and say “It’s pretty obvious that you value Tomas Kaberle more highly than any other GM in the entire league, so don’t expect us take any discounts.”

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by Down Goes Brown on Aug 18, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don’t know how close Burke came to a deal with any team, and whether said deal was hedged on Kaberle signing an extension.

Obviously when he’s being traded in the final year of his deal, teams are going to balk at what we all know was a high asking price. When Kaberle’s a free agent, whether he’s signing with Toronto or elsewhere, the dynamic has changed.

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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question:

If Kaberle walks away at the end of the year, will your opinion of him change? If Burke tries to resign and Kaberle says no I want to go.

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by leafer1984 on Aug 18, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Kaberle leaves, I won’t be mad at him. Sundin left. I understood why. I’d understand if Kaberle made the same decision.

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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he wants to stay in Toronto, he loves Toronto, he doesn’t want to play anywhere else but Toronto.
Toronto wanted to resign him but he refused.
You’re telling me you wouldn’t feel the slightest bit of resentment?

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by leafer1984 on Aug 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine he’d get the same treatment Sundin did. Sundin said all those things, and ended up a Canuck. But I understood why. And after what Kaberle went through (not to be dramatic, it’s a part of his job), I won’t be surprised if he wants out. Especially if he goes through it all over again in March.

I’d probably end up siding with the player. Too many cross-ice-passes like I won’t believe.

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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the Leafs brass didn’t even try to bring Mats back (or at least not try very hard)
maybe I am miss remembering tho

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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sundin’s situation was different b/c he was leaning towards retirement. And Burke said that he didn’t exactly fit into the team’s plans. The plans being: be the shittiest God damn team in the fucking league.

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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd shittiest!

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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Fletcher offered him an extension after the deadline, but he said no. By the time the summer rolled around, the Leafs had pretty much moved on (they even quasi-traded his rights).

As far as Kaberle goes, I could understand it if he’s pissed at the team right now and is rethinking things. I’d call it think-skinned, but I could understand.

The quesiton is: If that’s the case, is he willing to waive his NTC at the deadline? If so, fine. If he stays, fine. Just don’t tell us you want to stay, refuse to waive, and then bolt on July 1.

But I honestly don’t see him doing that.

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by Down Goes Brown on Aug 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just don’t tell us you want to stay, refuse to waive, and then bolt on July 1.

I would be very disappointed if Kabby left under those circumstances but I agree I don’t see it happening.

by general borschevsky on Aug 18, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think when Sundin refused that extension, he’s leaning HEAVILY towards retirement.

Agree with you about Kaberle. If he learned anything from the Sundin debacle it should be: “I’m not waiving my no-trade. I’m going to play out my contract, and that’s all I’m going to say about it.”

Because, as you rightly pointed out, that Sundin affair was PR lesson to be learned.

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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, and the other difference with Sundin is that once he soured on the Leafs, there wasn’t any more opportunity for an amicable parting.

If Kaberle’s mad an wants out, he has all season to work out a win-win-win scenario.

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by Down Goes Brown on Aug 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wants to stay. Why else would he have refused to waive his no-trade clause at the deadline, where he could provide 5 or 10 teams he’d agree to go to? Instead, he left himself completely vulnerable to be traded anywhere at all this offseason, on the off chance that the team decided they wanted to keep him around.

If he doesn’t sign here it’s because the Leafs don’t have the cap space to make him a fair offer (market less some sort of small hometown discount), or they don’t want to.

Tomas loves the Leafs, and he loves this city. I think that’s part of why I like him so much, I can relate.

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by daoust on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomas loves the Leafs, and he loves this city. I think that’s part of why I like him so much, I can relate.

Brilliant, brother. Co-signed.

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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree.

"Defense! Defense! Common! Do you call that blowing!?"

by JP Nikota on Aug 18, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

All true enough. I’m not looking to be logical, I’m trying to act like an agent.

But you can bet that all of that praise Burke kept heaping on Kaberle to try to drive up the price is going to be served right back to him at the negotiating table.

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by Down Goes Brown on Aug 18, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re absolutely right. I’d do the same.

#BurkeFail

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by eyebleaf on Aug 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curran is still an ass for releasing statements that seem to serve no purpose but to spoil any chance of a trade.

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

News at 11
It has been 6 days since anyone has seen Rick Curran. Ever since Monday, when the NHL player agent went to speak with Leafs GM Brian Burke.
When questioned on the possible whereabouts of Mr Curran, Burke responded with `I don`t know, he never showed to the meeting. But maybe if he kept his fucking mouth shut things like this wouldnt have had to happen

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that would be inconsistent.

Curran: “He’s not a carpetbagger. He’s not looking to go running around for the big money anywhere or anything.”

And, "any conversation with regard to an extension would obviously be relative to where it is, who it is and how Tomas would feel about going to that place."

And also, "It’s not like he wanted to leave Toronto. Every time he’s asked, he’s said, ‘I’d like to stay in Toronto.’ "

by general borschevsky on Aug 18, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is going to be the first negotiation in sports history that consists entirely of each side reading the other’s quotes back to them.

(Probably in sarcastic mocking voices.)

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by Down Goes Brown on Aug 18, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope it goes on PPV

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope it ends up on DGB.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 18, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

id watch it on the TTC

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

rhyme fail

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 18, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh.

i thought it was 3-letter acronyms

by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, 3 letter acronyms THAT RHYME!! Gawd.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 18, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ITs down with OPP.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 18, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would make a great bloge/dgb video

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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

count on it

if the Leafs don’t have a pick, the draft will be described as DEEP

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by pevans on Aug 18, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK – so I’ll read the whole thread next time.

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by 1967ers on Aug 18, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It won’t be weak come next June.

It’s depth will be dependent on where the Leafs have their first pick. The number of available franchise players will be one less.

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by 1967ers on Aug 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are laws of physics governing the depth of the annual NHL Entry Draft. This is one of them.

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by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 18, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

it’s personality. Tomas is a very internal guy. He has this ability – one that few pro athletes have – to simply shut out everything that is going on around him.

Aside from trade speculation, when do you ever hear about the guy outside of a boxscore context? You don’t. He just disappears into his own comfort zone and pays no mind to anything outside of the game itself. The quiet professional, you could say.

I think Tomas is perceived as uncaring because he appears to be so detached emotionally, much like Sundin. Burke, Wilson, Phaneuf….not so much. Toronto is “light a fire under your ass, son” territory now. The culture of the team has changed, and Tomas needs to adapt to it, or find somewhere that is more his style.

Tomas will never say any of this himself, but the fact that his father is speaks volumes.

In Burke We Trust

by Kohma on Aug 18, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frantisek is so frank

BS

by MapleLeafMole on Aug 18, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Grabovski always struck me as so raven

by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andrew Krystal (sp) repeatedly said this morning that Grabbo was channeling Mirko Frycer.

Personally, if he stays healthier than Frycer, I have no problem with this.

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by 1967ers on Aug 18, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grabbo is the only name I recognize in this entire comment.

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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

krystalfrycer

New mid-morning guy on the FAN590, replacing Mike Hogan who I had no real problem with.

Plus, Frycer.

And Frycer:

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by 1967ers on Aug 18, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

“In my opinion, I can’t see Tomas entering a new contract with the club. No, not if Ron Wilson will continue to be employed in the future,” says Kaberle senior.

I have to say i’d be pretty happy to lose Wilson and keep Kaberle, where do i sign that petition?

by bigrubberbiscuits on Aug 18, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

If the Leafs are out of the playoffs by January 31st, I can’t see either of them sticking around. Winning will make things much more comfortable.

by general borschevsky on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree, Wilson will take the fall if the team continues to dwell in the east basement and Kaberle would probably be playing his final months as a leaf

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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 18, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Everything I wanted to say about this

has been covered, especially here and the Wilson quote.

In Burke We Trust

by Kohma on Aug 18, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

although i’m still not a fan of dumping everything on Wilson (at least not yet) were I to have made a coaching change, I’d have done so while Laviolette was still available…

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by blurr1974 on Aug 18, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many coaches has Brian Burke fired?

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by furcifer on Aug 22, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love my folks, but i don’t think they’re always in tune with my life and why i make the decisions i do. if interviewed they’d probably say ‘i don’t know why he likes living in toronto so much, with that job that requires such long hours’.

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by daoust on Aug 18, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

“mom, dad, i love you, but please shut up.”

i’ve thought this many times in many situations.

by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 18, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parents just don’t understand.
But yes, this is a valid thing to keep in mind.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 18, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another new addition was the emphatic Mike Komisarek with which the Maple Leafs entered into a three-year contract

I move that Komi’s new nickname be “the emphatic Mike Komisarek”, can I get a seconder?

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by Down Goes Brown on Aug 18, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

secondered

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by Leafer87 on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing. I hope he has an EMPHATIC season!
When I first read it I thought it said empathic :)

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by The Meatriarchy on Aug 18, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m gonna have to object.

KOMIKAZI!!1

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by leafer1984 on Aug 18, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

the inimitable Jeff Finger agrees. As does Tim Brent the indefatigable

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by pevans on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, who?

Waiting on the Dave Nonis era.

by PassivelyTruculent on Aug 18, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s fine, but it’ll have to be shortened to TEMK.

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by 1967ers on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double Dion’s!!
       +
Triple TEMK’S!!

by TheBurnward on Aug 18, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Editor’s Note: wah wah wah

Is that you, Owen Nolan?

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by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

:(

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by Karina on Aug 18, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s “boo hoo.” :)

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by 1967ers on Aug 18, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

not close enough?

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by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 18, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

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