Každý, kdo zde mají malajské příbuzné?
by SkinnyFish on Aug 24, 2010 7:44 AM EDT
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Zaprvé, dovolte mi, abych se představil ještě jednou, já jsem obhájce Dave Fuller. Jsem ženatý a otcem čtyř dětí. Jsem senior advokát tady v Malajsii. My jurisdikce je občanské právo a nemovitosti Consultant. I když můj návrh byl spíše samo-vysvětlující, ale pro účely jasnosti, dovolte mi použít tohoto média, aby dále stručný vás, zejména pokud jde o modus z actualizing této chvályhodné projektu. My Vás kontaktovat nenaznačuje, že jste biologicky související zesnulého bude opravit své jméno jako nejbližší příbuzný jako právník přesvědčit banku, že vztah existuje mezi vámi dvěma rozšířením rodová linie.
Úmrtní list a jiné dokumenty týkající se této transakce bude zaslán na vás včas, a vše, co jsem si byl vyhnout se is Vše o podvod na internet. V souladu s právními předpisy dědictví Zde je jasně uvedeno, že zatímco the zemřelého zemřel, aniž by living za jeden potomek, nebo immediate biologické family již nejsou naživu, jako například v této situaci, každý z zemřelého rozšířené relativní stojí to dědit majetek whatever nebo peníze zanechal zemřelý. Právě na základě této části zákona, že chci představit Vám do banky a s cílem legitimizovat, budu pak přísahám, čestné prohlášení před High Court ověřování na váš vztah k zesnulé, a jakékoli Čestné prohlášení sesazený před právo příslušného soudu je přípustné podle zákona jako konstatování faktu a nemůže být zpochybňováno.
Odkazy po skoku.
Od smrti mého klienta, veškeré úsilí k nalezení banky příjemce nepodařilo, to je důvod, proč mě kontaktoval se stopovat jeho příbuzné. To je čisté řešení. Neexistuje žádné riziko pro tuto transakci, jak budeme zpracovávat všechny požadované dokumenty zákonem příjemce nárok. Neexistuje žádný jiný žijící příbuzný, ve skutečnosti, byl můj klient narodil o dva migrujících pracovníků, kteří přišli do Austrálie v 50 `s. V této transakci, půjdeme krok za krokem, nejprve s právní dokumenty zálohovat nárok, a za druhé, měnová podklady pro převod. Jsem proto spoléhám na vaše co-operace, aby tuto práci ven. Jsem velmi optimistický, můžeme vytáhnout to pomocí se vaši podporu.
Pro právní následky, bylo zajištěno, že zbytek, to je moje profesionální podmínky pro vím, co celý mezery zapojit a bude s nimi manipulovat s velkou profesionalitu. Kromě toho budete a sdílím výnosů z této transakce v šedesáti na čtyřicet procentuální poměr (60% - 40%). Nemyslím si, že tento požadavek bude delší než deset (10) pracovních dnů, pokud budeme pracovat v harmonii.
Pokud je to OK, které jste, já posílám vás bude příjemce Čestné prohlášení Form High Court kterou vyplníte a zašlete ho znovu to mě na mě přísahat místopřísežné prohlášení u Nejvyššího soudu v Londýně, že jste opravdu pre-příjemce mé Late Client a Odtud jsme se zahájí. Prosím, neváhejte kontaktovat.
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Is this 100% risky free proposal?
Also: YAY, COX BLOC IS BACK!!!1
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Brian Burke talks Kaberle’s Father, World Hockey Summit.
He doesn’t really say much.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
Excellent
Burke said that he’d list the teams who made offers for Kaberle if he was so asked.
We should email him and ask before the Sun does.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Dying
Lollin’ like crazy
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 24, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions
this post is rec’d like Colton Orr’s twitter account
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
@ColtonOrr Why does your account have to be a fake? You and I could have had something special together.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Why fake Orr, why..
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 24, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
IT'S FAKE?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 24, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Where Do I Sign Up?
I have nothing to offer except a large envelope of money is there somewhere I can mail it?
by Dany Heatley Speedwagon on Aug 24, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions
Ryzího zlata.
Přejít Leafs Jdi!
"Put the kids in with a few old pappy guys who still like to win and the combination is unbeatable."
Conn Smythe
by rover_from_under_crowsnest on Aug 24, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions
I only reply
When the crown prince of Algeria personally emails me, sorry
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
this is fantastic
I’ve remained on the sidelines on Fullergate (perhaps as a member of the MSM I’m biased but I don’t think what happened is “plagiarism” of PPP. A dick move to be sure, would have been avoided with simple crediting of this site which I’ve done countless times in stories where I’ve been scooped, and made 100 times worse by their reaction to it) but this is a fantastic treatment of the issue.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
it might ruin this site's credibility
but i think it’d be fun to purposefully feed Fuller some disinformation.
“To právě v: ZHN v Torontu šatně”
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 24, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
No one would do that. It would be wrong.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Aug 24, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
z
I see that Colton Orr’s twitter just might be fake, and I’m like “Fuck You!” (ooo, ooo, oooo)
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
This is going to have me laughing all day. :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
That’s an actual email I received from a scammer last week. I liked it enough that I saved it and wanted to share it with all of you.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
dah?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 24, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
Jsem velmi optimistický, můžeme vytáhnout to pomocí se vaši podporu.
TAWSABS !!
That Are What She Are Be Say !!
"I'd walk into the Leafs dressing room to get ready for the day and Harold would be there in his boxer shorts shaving. King Clancy would drop by a little later, play the fool, and then head off to the racetrack." John Brophy
by Mike Pelyk's Hairdo on Aug 24, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
Hornqvist gets $3.08ish/yr for 3years
The Nashville Predators President signed forward Patric Hornqvist to a three-year, $9.25 million contract on Tuesday.
He had a great season, but that number seems high… maybe I should watch him play more before I open my mouth.
I guess he did score 30, that’s the same as Kessel got @ 5.4M… so maybe I’m wrong.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
I think 3M is a great price for Hornqvist. He’s a big part of their offense going forwards.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
I do like him too
he was a midseason pickup on my fantasy roster… I just figured with the way signings have been going this summer he may have been forced to take a discount, especially for Nashville.
30 goals is nothing to sneeze at.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 24, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to think that 3 mil for 30 goals from a 23 year old is a discount.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
I feel the same.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They better just hope
it wasn’t due to a contract year breakout.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 24, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I’d be slightly disappointed if Phil doesn’t pot more than 30 next season, but that’s still quite a decent deal on Hornqvist. I imagine that’s probably his peak, but I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be able to put in the same sort of production for the duration of his contract.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
Reminds me of
Hagman’s numbers and the deal he got. 30 goals, $3m/year… and he ended up being worth every penny.
I take it back, good on NSH.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 24, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss Hagman.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Then again
Hagman was UFA I believe, not RFA.
Hmm they must really think this season was the rule, not the exception.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 24, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s steep when you compare this to what Matt Moulson got in Long Island. – 1 year at $2.45M.
Now if his 30 goal season was just a fluke, they’re screwed for an additional 2 seasons, where as NYI has the opportunity to see if Moulson is for real or not, and then decided to either resign him or cut and run.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
I think they’ve hedged the gamble, though. If Hornqvist were to put up another 30 goal season (or Moulson for that matter), 4-5+ wouldn’t be out of order. Consider that Kessel shows signs of being a greater than 30-goal scorer, and makes 5.4.
It’s a case-by-case situation, I think, but I’d happily make that bet on Hornqvist.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
Yeah, it’s a gamble. If they win, they win big. If they lose, they’ve got a Colby Armstrong on their hands.
Ugh
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
3 mill for a 23 year old who scored 30 in his first full NHL season?
That’s a great price.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Aug 24, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Important footnote: he played for Nashville.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
(as in I don’t undertand the implication of said footnote)
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Aug 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He lead the team in goals, and the next closest was Martin Erat with 21.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 24, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this remind anyone else of stemp’s second contract? Didn’t he get a 3 year 2.625 or something after a 26 goal season? With inflation in contracts that seems to be more or less the same.
I didn’t know too much about stemps before his time as a leaf. Can anyone comment on this?
by BCapp on Aug 24, 2010 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
didnt check, but i think stemp was slightly older (24 or 25)
and yeah, its probably a close parallel. only stempniak slumped and then ended up on a team that didn’t really fit his skillset as a b-level finisher and not much else. except ninjitsu, obvy.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone following this World Hockey Summit stuff on twitter?
I am unimpressed with Fasel so far.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 24, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
Can you call a European hockey proponent a xenophobe? Because that’s what he sounds like. He sounds like he’s afraid that the American game will hockey in Europe.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
put a ruin in there somewhere.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
I read that without you saying to put it in ;)
But yes. Jr hockey isn’t popular in Europe because it’s a “tough sell”. European Club Hockey really needs to do a lot better, but the NHL isn’t welcome to put clubs in Europe. Standardizing the game is a “political” issue.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
no, no, no. it's fine as is.
Fasel: The American game will hockey in Europe.
Medvedev: The American game will hockey in Europe?
Bettman: The American game will hockey in Europe!!
I expect it to be the answer for every quesiton
“What are you doing about headshots?”
The American game will hockey in Europe!
“Is the NHL going to be in Sochi 2014?”
The American game will hockey in Europe!
“When will transfer agreements be finalized?”
The American game will hockey in Europe!
“Is a permanent Champion’s League in the works?”
The American game will hockey in Europe!
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy Crap Cox and Simmonds are getting smug on twitter today.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
and they're wrong.
So…it’s tuesday.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
i htink Cox blocked me after I called him Jayson Blair.
This is my signature.
by blurr1974 on Aug 24, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Are people actually making a big deal out of Aaron Ward retiring? I get the beat writers lamenting the end of a good guy who was a good interview, but I don’t think anybody else is losing sleep over it.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 24, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
not really
I guess too many people tweeted @simmonds to tell him Ward was retiring, so Simmonds felt justified in putting Ward down.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The internets! There are too many peoples on it!
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Cannot see twitter at the work? What did they say?
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 24, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Anaheim Ducks forward Joffrey Lupul(notes) is expected to miss the start of the NHL season with the reoccurrence of a blood infection in his back.
Can Lupul ever catch a break? The man just constantly gets shit on by life.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Is it bad that every time I hear his name I think of Lupus?
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
his guaranteed salary is a nice consolation prize though
not that I’d want all his health issues or anything, but if I had to…..
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 24, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lupul is as lupul does
him & the rest of the flyers were cruising frat houses all the time last year.. and wasn’t he trying to wheel some druggie actress on camera in ‘sober house’?
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Joel Champagne
KatsHockey: RT @rick1042: EC Salzburg coach on fmr #Leafs prospect Joel Champagne tryout: “Talent is there but he is out of shape.” as per @editionsport
Pulled a Wellwood maybe?
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
OMG WE DIDN’T SIGN CHAMPAGNE!! FIRE BURKE HE SUCKS
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
It was never about that and you know it. All Burke had to say was why he was letting a prospect go.
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or he could have just expected no one to give a shit about him not signing a middling prospect so he didn’t say anything.
this place is scary in the offseason. SCARY.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
OR
Burke, as a well known players GM, saw a kid who didn’t have what it takes to make it to the next level, and rather than trashing the kid in a public forum, cut him loose and took the hit.
This is my signature.
by blurr1974 on Aug 24, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
even better angle.
either way, it got weird around here. it’s joel champagne, people.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
We’ve gone over this many times, but it was more about player management; was Burke cutting Champagne, or was his hand forced by something like SPCs? The guy had just had a bounce back year, and statistically, it didn’t make much sense to drop him.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
it did
if we were privy to the same info Burke was. Or we could all continue to believe he has his head up his ass and only we fans know what’s really going on…
This is my signature.
by blurr1974 on Aug 24, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We’re curious. That’s why they call us whiskers.
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you purr when I scratch your head, too
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 24, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
blurr
What you wrote here should be required reading.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The same argument could’ve been made when JFJ, or any other GM for that matter, was in charge. Just because it’s an established hockey person, doesn’t mean that a fan can’t say “here are some reasons why I believe this transaction was a mistake”. Many compelling (unsubstantiated) arguments have been made on both sides of this, an incredibly minute detail for the club. Damn, the dedication.
If it gets to the ZOMG FIER BUERK level, a different story; but that’s a straw man on this site.
heh
WE ARE PASSIONATE
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Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
Thrilled to have a resolution to the “WTF is this?” saga. Funny, though, that three months departed we’re still spending time on SPC questions.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
WE HAVE TOO MANY PLAYERS SIGNED! HOW WILL WE TRADE FOR BOBBY RYAN NOW?
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 24, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
lol Damien Cox
Speaking of self-loathing, you can’t even put your name behind comments.
In reference to using a blogging name/alias instead of your real name.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
He is right, I do hate myself.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t it be weird to see a blog/forum/online community where every used just used their real name names?
I prefer canadianmaple09 over Graham Beatty, so I think I’ll stick with it. Oh shit, I just gave away my real name! Well, there goes my anonymity. Time for some more self-loathing.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 25, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
pay me to write opinion pieces and I’ll put my name all over that.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ronny W knows allllll about the supposed Kaberle-Wilson feud.
From the Hockey News,
"All this has come from out in left field and until I sit down and talk about this with Kaba, there’s no point in commenting any further," Wilson told TheHockeyNews.com Tuesday. "People are quoted in a foreign magazine – and this isn’t the first time something like this has come up. If Kaba wants to come and talk to me about some of this stuff, that’s the best way for us to address any of the issues he thinks he has."
It isn’t a rumor that’s new, Wilson noted.
"Even last year, there was this perceived rumor with Kaba and I sat down with Kaba and he said ‘this isn’t true’," Wilson said. "We’ll address it when we have a chance to sit down and face each other eye-to-eye and I’m sure (Leafs president-GM) Brian (Burke) will be a part of the conversation as well. That’s the best way to handle it."
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
So basically PPP is the true source for this weeks biggest brouhaha in Maple Leafs news.
Sweet.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
new blog tag line
PPP – Bringin’ the ruckus
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 24, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
if we have to pick aliases
i call ‘Ghostface’
aka Ghost-dini
aka Iron Man
aka Tonk Stark
aka Tony Scarface
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Between this and Bloge, you guys made my day.
I would, however, like to renegotiate the 60/40 split on my inheritance.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 24, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
I will have to talk to the High Court Inquisitors on this. If you front my court costs for this, I think I can get you up to 70%.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
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