Can We Please Put the Basement Dwelling Remarks to Rest?
Damien Cox is an outmoded, sour dinosaur of a columnist who can't stand the heat, yet won't get out of the kitchen. Yesterday he had a Jose Cancesoesque mini-meltdown on Twitter as he got into it with Jays fans over his column about how Jose Bautista must be juicing. Godd Till brought back the Cox Bloc to talk about it and apparently Damien didn't take too kindly to it. He responded with this:
@GoddTill Another one of those basement fellows chiming in. Sorry, y'all get blocked. You know better.
Oh look a jab at bloggers for living in their mother's basements. How original. Wait, no it's not because Cox has used the same "insult" before:
IMHO, Twitter NOT just avenue for the gutless (PPP and girlfriends) to take more anonymous shots from their basements. Blocked every time.
This of course was during the whole "don't follow me unless you're my friend" rant that Cox went on a while back, and led to me getting Cox Blocked myself. (A "Badge of Honor" day it was.)
Look Damien, I get it. You're scared of bloggers taking over your turf and make these childish remarks in an attempt to belittle them while boosting your own ego for being an "established journalist". But do yourself a favor, and just quit it already because it's such a terrible misnomer that all it serves to do is make you sound even more like a pissed off dinosaur.
As I write this, at this very moment I'm in my top floor luxury apartment sitting on my pillow top queen sized bed while watching my 42" HDTV. You see I went to a prestigious engineering school for four years and now work for one of the most advanced engineering companies in the world. I haven't lived with my parents since high school. Blogging tends to attract two fours kinds of people; fanboys with little insight to give or say, humorists, avid fans, and people who are drawn to statistical and logical based arguments; people like engineers, lawyers, accountants, and those in business. The number one profession among those who run SBNation hockey blogs? Lawyer.
But no, you must be right Damien. All us engineers, lawyers, and business people must be yelling at you from the confines of our parents' basements. Grow up Cox and stop acting like a dick.
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I’m not an engineer, lawyer, accountant or businessman.
That must make me an……ahhhh crap.
by Bloge Salming on Aug 25, 2010 7:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah, and I don’t LIVE in my parents basement…. I just sleep there
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should see the size of my parents basement though. It’s huge. Practically has its own postal code. And I have track lighting. Suck on that Damien.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But seriously if you live in your mom’s basement for whatever reason, that’s your own business, and not something you deserve to be mocked for. Everybody has their own circumstances in life that led them to where they are.
Who doesn’t love their mom, or want to feel pride in where they live? Bringing up either is a cheap shot. It only exposes your own insecurity to reach into that basket.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Queen Liz: “Chuck!! Did you forget you’re g-d crumpets in the solarium again?”
Prince C: “Dammit Ma! I’m playing COD right now. Ask one of the maids to get it.”
His Heirness William: “Uh dudes..? We’re out of OJ.”
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow. YOUR not YOU'RE..
i need to turn in my two degrees now.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t read or post here at home, I’m in my water front office with a great view of the yacht cluib on the Toronto Islands.
I wonder If I have a better view than Cox does down at 1 Younge St.?
it is a pretty nice view of the lake from there, assuming Cox has a window and doesn’t melt when sunlight hits him.
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
My office is at home, two story condo outside of the Ottawa region where I fire off edited and translated documents from my tidy office.
We never had a basement with parents, since we lived in a two-bedroom apartment until I worked my way out to, you know, the outside world.
P.S. Damien, I haven’t read your columns since the early 90s. The blogsphere is more immediate, better and has more statistical and information free of bias and, you know, team control.
But hey, keep on with the hackneyed clichés, surely they won’t result in readers turning to more relevant sources.
"According to the statistics, Bester outperformed his teammates in every league that he ever played in, and was easily the best goalie the Leafs had in the 1980s. Despite this, the Momesso goal was essentially the end of Bester's NHL career."
http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2009/10/underrated-allan-bester.html
by BesterThanYesterday on Aug 25, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Somebody Say
…they need a lawyer?
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You should all move to Australia
Nobody has a basement here, so no basements = no problem
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But where do all the bloggers live?..
I always think one step ahead. Like a carpenter who specializes in building staircases.
second floor baby woooooooo
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
on the beach?
Мы в любовь играли,
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Kaba? When did Ron Wilson start calling Kaberle Kaba? Maybe that’s why he doesn’t want to play for him anymore.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
Kaba?

Is that some sort of reference to people going around him?
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Sportsnet is reporting that the Canucks have signed Raffi Torres (1 yr / 1 mil).
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/08/25/canucks_signing/
I hope it’s legit so he’s not signing here for three times as much…
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
Er, to clarify for those that can’t hit up sportsnet: The report is that the deal can’t be made official until Gillis returns to Vancouver…which makes it more than just a little sketchy.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
mirtle rt
mirtle RT @sportsnetmurph: Im hearing the Canucks have bolstered their bottom six by signing Raffi Torres to a 1-year; 1-million dollar deal.
by billbarilkodisappeared on Aug 25, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a second, SF
Blogging tends to attract two kinds of people; fanboys with little insight to give or say, and people who are drawn to statistical and logical based arguments; people like engineers, lawyers, accountants, and those in business.
That’s a little bit narrow. I’m sure there’s all kinds of people that don’t fit into either of those categories.
I am a fan boy, I guess, but I hope I have more then a little insight, but maybe not. I’m not really drawn to statistical based arguments but logic is essential to any meaningful discussion. I don’t think I have anything in common with engineers, lawyers, or accountants. Most of my friends are teachers, artists, musicians, drug dealers and bike couriers.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 8:16 AM EDT reply actions
I agree,
Not all of us are part of the international banking cartel.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 25, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Twas late and I was tired for hockey. My apologies. I’ve upped that to 4 types and added humorists and avid fans.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
What’s the difference between a fanboy and an avid fan?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
And Nike, covering team canada.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
fanboys with little insight to give or say
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
hey, it worked out well for him. plus, I’ve seen a few of his videos. He’s not trying to offer genius insight. He knows his audience.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Aw, now I’m sorry. You’re a classy gentleman, SF.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh, you got me on that one. First Saturday game in Toronto, we’re coming up and I believe I owe you a drink or twelve. You better be there.
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Also the..
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by Future_considerations on Aug 25, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
FUCKIN AWESOME
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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s’funny, I’m actually going to school to be an accountant, just or that my new lifes ambition is to become Cox’s accountant and embezzle the shit out of him.
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Enough already
This is getting tiresome, first Fuller and now Cox. Time to move on and get back to the leafs.
by gerg3d on Aug 25, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It is dragging out a bit
but honestly there is nothing to talk about in Leafland. Every topic has been discussed to death. Let’s just all thank the sweet Lord Wendel we don’t have Raffi Torres.
There's always money in the banana stand.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 25, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand some people who come here only want to talk about sports. However, this is a Leafs blog and the people who make it run are sports bloggers. I can certainly understand why they would want to discuss issues relevant to sports bloggers. We are, in an important sense, guests here of PPP, Chemmy and their “princesses”. So if they want to use this as a forum to discuss their competition, and defend themselves against spurious, cliched, hackneyed attacks, then more power to them.
Especially because, as nhlcheapshot pointed out, there’s really nothing else to talk about unless someone wants to throw up a thought-provoking fanshot (hint hint).
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
We are, in an important sense, guests here of PPP, Chemmy and their "princesses".
It’s girlfriends now thanks to Cox.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
I'm a girlfriend?
Maybe so, but I’m not giving so much as a wink until I see an Allan Bester “Where are they now?” profile. :-)
"According to the statistics, Bester outperformed his teammates in every league that he ever played in, and was easily the best goalie the Leafs had in the 1980s. Despite this, the Momesso goal was essentially the end of Bester's NHL career."
http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2009/10/underrated-allan-bester.html
by BesterThanYesterday on Aug 25, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We are, in an important sense, guests here of PPP, Chemmy and their "princesses". So if they want to use this as a forum to discuss their competition, and defend themselves against spurious, cliched, hackneyed attacks, then more power to them.
Agreed, with one important caveat: none of us ought to drum up controversy just because there’s nothing else to talk about. Please note that I’m not suggesting any of the stuff in the last few days fits the bill there, or that any lines have been crossed hereabouts; I just think it’s important to recognize that part of what we dislike about columnists like Damien Cox is the fact that he obviously just enjoys stirring the pot whenever he can’t think of something better to write. We should aspire to better content than that. For the most part, I think this site and many other sports blogs surpass that standard pretty much every day.
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by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
none of us ought to drum up controversy
So you’re basically saying you may or may not be on steroids. I think someone just found a new article topic…
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Talking about Kaberle; dissecting the Kessel trade; finding the mysterious 1st line LWer; LebdaLebdaLebda; 50 SPC Limit...

Welcome to the dog days of summer where there ain’t dick all to talk about besides some IIHF President’s xenophobic rants and the umpteenth cryptic comment by one Brian Burke.
I can haz hockey please?
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
by SkinnyFish on Aug 25, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is what we do.
It is fun.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it just me or does that look more like a kangaroo than a horse?
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 25, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And I thought they smelled bad on the outside!
by general borschevsky on Aug 26, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Part of what we write about here is sports media, the changing landscape, and our interaction. There’s more than enough hockey-related content throughout the site so there’s no need to chime in with complaints.
We write what we want and you can read what you want….and you can write what you want. So if you want to see something written on a specific topic hit up the fanposts and share your thoughts.
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by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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Hockey.
We needs it.
Too much vitriol around here lately. Can’t help but wonder whether it’s misplaced anger over missing out on Kovalchuk, Seguin, Kaberle trade, etc…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Aug 25, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions
No, pretty sure it’s properly placed anger at constantly getting looked down upon and shit on by members of the Toronto media.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
by SkinnyFish on Aug 25, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The whole Sun-Fuller debacle brought us together nicely (for the most part) for a bit.
by ShahofToronto on Aug 25, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure it’s properly placed.
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d tell Cox to keep it up. He is not getting any younger and he hasn’t had a creative or new thought since 2003. The worst part is that Damien Cox is the proverbial one trick pony, and a mediocre one at that. He’s like the snuggie of columnists.
I can think of at least six regulars here who are better writers than Cox, and that’s without that vital third cup of coffee.
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How dare you call Damien Cox like a snuggie. Snuggies are useful for children with chemo.
But yeah, he is completely unoriginal. And he wonders why people call him a hack.
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I have a bruins snuggie and get use out of it as a small blanket.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing that Cox et al don’t get is that we are seeing a gradual but certain blurring of the lines between MSM/blog. It’s not like one is legitimate and the other is not. Bloggers are getting credentials and/or providing increasingly sophisticated analysis, MSM writters are twittering and blogging. To me there are two main differences.
First, MSM types are paid, bloggers are (for the most part) amateurs. This was in the past grounds for the “mom’s basement” stereotype. That was always ignorant—Einstein was a patent clerk, it’s the idea that matters, not the source—but it’s also now patently untrue as Chemmy has repeatedly pointed out and SkinnyFish highlighted today.
Second, the MSM is more bland because it has to appeal to a mass audience. The MSM cannot go into the level of sophisticated analysis that we do because it would go way over the heads of your average newspaper reader or sports radio listener. I think of MSM vs. blog as something like network vs. cable. The former has to appeal to a broader audience so you see a lot of “Two and a Half Men”. The latter can appeal to niche audiences—so you get both the incredibly low-brow reality-TV fare, and ground-breaking stuff like the Wire, Mad Men, etc.
The bottom line is that there are good blogs (this one), and crappy blogs (fill-in-the-blank). There are good MSM writers (Mirtle, Arthur) and bad ones (Simmons, Berger, etc.). I will give a lot of respect to guys like Mirtle and Arthur who manage to be thought-provoking and intelligent while still appealing to a mainstream audience. It’s arguably a higher degree of difficulty to make yourself accessible to a broader audience. Not surprisingly, they are also the ones least threatened by blogs and most willing to engage online.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
It’s also important to note that the MSM guys who draw the most ire are by and large columnists. They are paid to agitate through their opinion, which needs to be “out there” enough to be distinctive. It’s why you see very few bipartisan columnists in the U.S., for example. No one would read them.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Another reason not to read/link/follow the ones who are just being deliberately provocative/stupid. You’re playing right into their hands.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
67 Sound well said.
The thing that Cox et al don’t get is that we are seeing a gradual but certain blurring of the lines between MSM/blog. It’s not like one is legitimate and the other is not.
One of my journalist pals recently attended a conference in NYC that brought bloggers and MSM together. She went to great lengths to point out the differences that still exist between her professional colleagues and bloggers.
There was no malice on her part and she was very kind about it, but she was definitely interested in identifying and twittering the differences between those who are “trained professionals” and citizen journalists/bloggers. Most journalists invested four years in their degree and spent years climbing the slippery pole to find themselves often being outperformed by a so-called amateur. An amateur who likely has more job security, better pay, no deadlines, no asshole editors to deal with or 100s of PR types pitching them crappy story ideas all day long.
Second, the MSM is more bland because it has to appeal to a mass audience. The MSM cannot go into the level of sophisticated analysis that we do because it would go way over the heads of your average newspaper reader or sports radio listener.
This, more so than any ethical or professional failing, is my biggest beef with conventional media. I often ask reporters and editors I know why they’re not going into greater detail of the CBA, cap situations, or advanced stats and the answer is always the same: there’s no appetite for it.
When the whole Frogren deal went down, Kevin McGran at the Star had pile of CBA insight he was happy to share with me, but that never found its way into his column.
That right there is why blogs are getting more and more eyeballs. The media perceives their audience as a giant bell curve and they’re aiming for the mushy middle, but it’s really a Pareto distribution and there are a load of eyeballs along that x-axis that want something more.
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Viva the long tail. Leads to much better sports blogging and music, my two principal on-line diversions.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The other benefit of the long tail is that not only is there a significant number of eyeballs, generally those eyeballs are more targeted. That’s why you get such great online communities like this one when you go for the long tail – you’re drawing in people that really do care about the content, rather than a possibly larger yet generally apathetic (read as bandwagoners) group.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
I often ask reporters and editors I know why they’re not going into greater detail of the CBA, cap situations, or advanced stats and the answer is always the same: there’s no appetite for it.
[Emphasis added].
The site traffic numbers here and elsewhere on SBNation would like to have a word with these reporters and editors.
Agree with your Pareto distribution observation; shouldn’t be surprising that the audience distro would look like that – it’s been a while since undergrad economics, but IIRC Pareto distros look a lot like indifference curves.
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by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The site traffic numbers here and elsewhere on SBNation would like to have a word with these reporters and editors.
No offense to PPP and Chemmy (and the rest of the crew) but the numbers here are tiny compared to the big three.
The print edition of the Star is the most read paper in Canada. The Star claims 1.7 million people read their Saturday edition and 1.3 million read each Monday to Friday edition.
Certainly, many of those readers aren’t going to devour the sports section, but if only 1/3 of them do, that’s 400,000 eyeballs each day.
Even if they were to offer advanced stats or legal insights into the NHL, how many new readers would they get? More importantly, how many of those readers would pay for the paper?
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can you get those numbers down to page views regarding the Leafs…?
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure if I called the Star and asked about on-line advertising I could. Print data is way more accessible/available.
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If the MSM will ever incorporate advanced stats, it will only be online. There simply isn’t the time or the space to include that level of analysis in a newspaper article. We have a hard enough time getting people to read past the first couple of paragraphs.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Mirtle talks about advanced stats quite a bit, but it’s always on Globesports.com which is their online section.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem with incorporating stuff like corsi and the other stuff is you will need a line right after explaining what it is every single time you write an article mentioning it.
Look at business stories. Writers can’t assume someone reading knows what GDP is, even if it is 90% likely someone reading it already knows what it is. It’s just the way journalists are taught to write. Always assume the reader has no idea what you are talking about.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
there are certain things, like Corsi and probably QualComp etc. that will be very difficult to work in. But something like GVT is relatively easy, I think.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
How many print articles on baseball include VORP?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t that the sound the Tardis makes?
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t follow baseball.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Me either, really, but it’s the analog and it’s a lot more established.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No argument there. I think we’re at the front end of the trend still though, and that more and more the generalist audience that pays for the mushy middle paper is bit by bit fracturing into subgroups and specialized audiences that will seek out their information elsewhere. I think the result is that the numbers for places like this will continue to grow, and the numbers for publications that don’t offer specific value-added content will continue to dwindle.
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by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
A few months ago I was at a media breakfast for communications professionals. The VP of Postmedia, a big shot from Giga Om and a few others were the panelists.
They started out by asking everyone in the room to stand and then asked the following questions – if you answered no you were asked to sit down.
Did you read any news this morning? (3 to 5 people sat down)
Did you read an actual printed newspaper this morning (about 30% of the people in the room sat down)
Did you pay for that paper? (almost the entire room was now sitting)
Are you under 35? (1 person was left standing)
This is the future of newsprint.
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by mf37 on Aug 25, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you pay for that paper? (almost the entire room was now sitting)
A lot of people might not actually buy a paper, but their school/office/gym might have a daily stack of 20-50 papers that they then read for “free”.
But yes, the overall concept is that newspapers are fading fast.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Jerk
Just kidding. You’re absolutely right. We are not even a drop in the bucket but I don’t care.
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Compared to the traffic at PPP, my site is like a loogie in the Ocean and I’m ok with that too.
Reporters may find this hard to believe, but not all of us want access, deadlines or endless page views.
One look at the comments section at on online newspaper tells me what happens when you cross a certain readership threshold.
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Alexa woldwide rank
SBNation: 6,780
Torontosun.com: 5,594
Torontostar.com: 2,260
Sbnation is getting pretty big, as mentioned in a previous post…
mf37, I think it’s true that in most cases there is a certain critical-mass problem, but for a strong exception look at the New York Times commentary on any given day. Treat people like intelligent adults, and many of them will actually act that way.
I think the NYT is the exception. I can’t think of a single Canadian mass media site with an informed comments section.
As for Alexa, if you look at Canadian rankings the Star.ca is 47th, PPP is 6,368th (and I don’t mean any disrespect to PPP. I LOVE this site, but we’re talking completely different reach).
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You’re making me sad :(
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Wait...
6368? LOL, we’re up 6,000 spots since I shit all over Billo
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PROGRESS!!1
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Good points. I agree that NYT is the exception, not sure I’ve found another top-1000-type site that can boast a similar maturity level.
I don’t think it’s strictly fair to look at pensionplanpuppets.com on its own when we’re including non-sports sections of the Sun website, which is why I highlighted the sbnation comparison instead (I certainly saw the stat you’re citing, but simply didn’t think it made as much of an interesting point except in rebuttal of my own).
Part of the justification for putting it that way is that when the Sun tried to sneer at leetle old PPP over this, a half-dozen other hockey sites on SBnation chimed right in. The number of people here who aren’t strictly Leafs fans is growing, and the number of PPP regulars posting on C&B, JFTC, J’s R, and others is significant. It’s a city of neighbourhoods, if you will.
Try selling advertising on PPP based on the SBNation numbers.
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Second, the MSM is more bland because it has to appeal to a mass audience. The MSM cannot go into the level of sophisticated analysis that we do because it would go way over the heads of your average newspaper reader or sports radio listener.
this is the problem with MSM sports coverage in a nutshell, and it will never change. my father-in-law doesn’t give a sh8t about hockey, but he reads the star and globe every weekend, so he’s at least ‘informed’ enough to tell me the leafs suck, they missed the playoffs again, and they shouldn’t have traded draft picks for kessel. it’s infuriating getting this ‘insight’ from a man who hasn’t watched a leaf game in probably 15 years, and even more infuriating that i can’t discuss it with him rationally since he doesn’t know enough or care enough about hockey to make it worth my while.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
You married into my family?
My dad says these things regularly despite claiming to be a Leafs fan.
I usually communicate with him on MSN and my name for a while was “VERSTEEG!!!1” He had no idea who Versteeg was. But I still have to listen to him when he goes on about the Leafs’ milking their fans for the money, never wanting to put a winning product on the ice, etc. etc. Oh and 1967,
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds like half the people I know
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Yeah
there are a lot of them
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it's called
the Ballard syndrome. years of crappy management led to a virus that causes cynicism and pessimism towards the leafs. Long-term blindness regarding play and talent and loss of Hope.
even if
those people weren’t around during the Ballard years (my age)
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
all my friends are like this. when i say i’m a leafs fan the answer i get from every one of them is ‘leafs suck.’
UGH
by leaflover4ever on Aug 25, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Cynicism and pessimism are fine if they’re tempered by facts.
This is blind cynicism. It’s just as annoying as blind optimism from uninformed fans who the the Leafs will win the cup every year.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
It kills me when they feel they can comment right after stating they don’t watch the game or follow the Leafs/hockey.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OURS THIS YEAR
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BANG! THUD! (camera flies of the monitor.)
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
My brother is the same way.
A lot of people are.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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The thing about online is that because the “printing” and “storage” costs are zero (or nearly so) you can appeal to that long tail.
Lesson: The demand for movies and books is also pareto distributed, with most people just wanting a small number of best sellers, and then other books becoming increasingly obscure as you move out. If you have a physical shop with storage costs, you’re mostly stocking the best sellers because you can only store a few hundred, title – a couple thousand at most… There are 10’s of thousands of books that only 1 person in a million is interested in, but you don’t have space for them when only 3 or 4 people in the entire GTA would care about each one..
But because storage space online is free, Amazon and Netflix can sotck books and movies well into the obscure range, and in total volume they actually end up being more than the best-sellers. They can cater to the long tail in a way that physical stores just simply cannot… which is good for people who like obscure books, and good for amazon.
This place is a little bit the same. If PPP had to be printed on paper and phsyically distributed at great expense to stores and/or addresses, it would never work – the few hundred people who started it going wouldn’t have been able to support it, which means it would never have been found by the few thousand who read it now – and even then, if you started charging money for PPP, a lot of us who read it free now would balk, and the circulation would shrink to something that couldn’t pay for the printing and distribution.
So, in short, the MSM and blogs are playing different games, and that’s why their content looks different. The MSM only has physical space to cater to the marginally engaged best-seller crowd, PPP is able to appeal to the genre-fiction taste of a smaller and scattered subset who will actually read posts with math in them.
/long winded
by Wan Ihite on Aug 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you started charging money for PPP, a lot of us who read it free now would balk
Oh shit. Julian: cancel Operation Bankroll.
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Dammit!
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Well the REAL trick if you can pull it is what economists call “price discrimination” and marketers call “price customization” (see how it sounds much friendlier when marketers say it).
The trick is to give it to everyone for the price they’re willing to pay. So the few willing to give $ do give it, without blocking out all the other less profitable customers.
So maybe if you kept putting this stuff up here free, but then also wrote something, maybe on paper, and sold it at what we call “stores”, or through advertising it on the site… even if you did it as an annual thing, maybe once a year. A review of the forthcoming season or something… nah, would never work :)
He may be demonspawn, but He Who Shall Not Be Named has got an incredibly lucrative thing going. I can’t believe people are willing to pay $20 (even if it is just once) to get the guys ramblings “exclusively.”
He may be a hack but he’s no idiot.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This discussion is very interesting to say the least.
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If you dig the discussion of eyeballs and customization, you really must read The Long Tail. It’s a fascinating look at how digitization is changing (and has changed) markets.
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just picked up a copy of “The Long Tail” and a nice hardcover translation of Einstein’s “Relativity”.
both were in the discount section of chapters for about $7 each.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope you enjoy it. I haven’t read his follow-up “Free” but will get to it eventually…
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Agree. I like the analogy between network/cable and MSM/bloggers. Thoughtful comment, rec’d.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
My mom doesn’t have a basement. I’m not really interested in statistical analysis, but I appreciate logic in arguments. I’m not a engineer, lawyer or businessperson. I’d like to think I’m a humorist…
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
Somebody put these guys on an episode of Fear Factor
It’s not about integrity, it’s about fear. As bloggers (writers), we can all argue lack of respect, but at the end of the day, it comes down to the fact that journalism is becoming an increasingly insecure profession and its poster boys are guys like Cox.
I already hate myself for doing it, but it’s just like I wrote on Something’s Bruin last weekend. The internet and Twitter won’t spell the demise of the industry, the industrialists themselves will.
lol Toskala
KHL’s Traktor, in addition to making an offer to Jose Theodore, also made one to Vesa Toskala. Neither was interested.
Me think Vesa still believes he’s a starting goaltender in the NHL. How ignorant, stubborn, and blind is that man?
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Judging by last year, I’m guessing 100% for all three.
by WendelMadeMe on Aug 25, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe
some one offered him a job.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 25, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Say what you want about Raycroft
at least he’s still getting work.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 25, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Raycroft understands his place in the goaltending world. Signing with Dallas was smart on his part, because playing behind Lehtonen and his papier mache hamstrings, he could easily get a shot at the starting job, as opposed to playing once every three weeks behind Luongo
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Raycroft, after his terrible season in Toronto, has become the epitome of a replacement level goaltender. But he’s also been smart and signed for cheap, short term contracts with teams to insure he’s got a job.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Raycroft is like a spot starter in baseball. He can be good for stretches but lacks the consistency to be a number one.
Toskala is just plain bad.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
his agent is doing good work. As long as he keeps himself with a sense of reality about his situation he’ll probably last a while as a backup.
There's always money in the banana stand.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 25, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeup
and I think Toskala’s agent is harming his career by (apparently) supporting these ideas that he’s a #1 NHL goalie.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Possible.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a really sad reality for Dallas fans though.
by Jacques Strap on Aug 25, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Dallas fans are willing to sacrifice a season if it means they get a better owner than Hicks
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I’m not making the connection on that though, you’d think a good season would make it a more attractive property for a buyer.
by Jacques Strap on Aug 25, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Better players make the team more expensive.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Not denying that aspect, but in a league as gate-driven as the NHL, in a city where ticket sales are likely closely connected with team success, In theory, wouldn’t they also make it more profitable?
by Jacques Strap on Aug 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, but expensive players don’t necessarily make a team better.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Shhhhhhh! Sather might hear you!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It sounds like they’re likely to be sold before this season is over – maybe even before it starts.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Mirtle appreciation post
The dude is setting the example for MSM sports writing in this city. I would not have read the globe if not for him.
verbeauty!
by A Lindros Jaw on Aug 25, 2010 9:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
And Bruce Arthur. I never read his stuff because I hate the Post but he joined Twitter, interacted at a thoughtful and sometimes playful level, never held himself above others, and I now read all of his articles.
Still don’t buy the Post though.
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I’ve had the exact same experience with Bruce Arthur, for exactly the same reasons.
/starting to sound like Dave Fuller
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by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
holy crap
Do we all think the same???? I hate the Post too but now read Bruce Arthur because of twitter…
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like the Post’s editorial pages, but have loved their sports section for a long time. I’ve been busting PPP’s chops for not reading it for a long time.
The Post’s Joe O’Connor is the unsung sports writer of Toronto and one of the few guys writing great long form stuff.
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I’ve been busting PPP’s chops for not reading it for a long time.
This is true. It’s been “Bruce Arthur this” and “Bruce Arthur that” and “Do you think his beard makes Bruce Arthur look more or less like Phil Collins?”
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Didja join the Bruce Arthur fan club yet? Autographed 8 × 10, action figure with steno pad and laptop, and cool glue-on beard.
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In the mail. I only have the decoder ring so far.
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drink more ovaltine
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 for Christmas Story goodness.
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
ditto
Add me to the list. Artur is awesome.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The people who work at the Post largely do not hold the same political views as the paper itself. It’s complicated.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
But...
the people at the Sun have the same IQ as their political commentary. Simmons: a sellout, Fuller a cheat. Oh where have you gone Wayne Parrish?
A paper’s editorial voice largely comes from its board and its columnists. I’m pretty confident that the vast majority of regular reporters at the Globe, the Post, the Star and the Sun have similar political leanings. There is a fraternity among journalists, and the profession tends to attract a particular type of person with a particular mindset. At least initially anyway.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Fraternity is right..
Sometimes the articles/comments sound like nothing but coffee and timmy’s chatter. no original or interesting value.
oh definitely
a friend of a friend was working there out of school, and i started talking to him about the environment, and there is a whole laundry list of topics (and people) that will basically be ignored, denied coverage, or result in you being sent to report on manure farms.
depending on what other projects that board members are into, there are also government people who you are not allowed to say anything bad about, lest it affect the status of their deal/business/proposal.
hooray for free media!
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Bruce is a great guy and a very good writer. One of the first in the Toronto media I met (when I was an intern at the Post) and someone who is going places.
Deserving of all the praise he gets.
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by James Mirtle on Aug 26, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicely put SkinnyFish. I’m tired of the lack of respect shown by the MSM to everyone that puts the time and effort into these blogs and communities. Most of us have been quite successful in our careers of choice, and participate here out of passion, instead of just writing crap to collect a paycheque.
Sweet poetic justice will come to Cox as it did to good ol’ Billo at some point, because his relevance is already starting to wane.
I’m tired of the lack of respect shown by the MSM to everyone that puts the time and effort into these blogs and communities
I doubt the majority of sports reporters are aware of more than one or two blogs. I’d also wager a huge percentage of them don’t know the difference between a message board and a blog.
I’d also be interested to know how many bloggers even want or need any respect from the MSM – I certainly don’t.
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I’d also be interested to know how many bloggers even want or need any respect from the MSM – I certainly don’t.
I feel like that if they respect us we’ve gotten away from what made people read us in the first place.
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Reading..
is probably the best because it is filled with open comment. I read the Globe, Star and online articles daily. But the best insights(often used to win an argument or two) come from the blogs. This is a core stuff. The Star however appears to be nearing Nova and thus an eventual black hole. Might explain Cox’s place there.
Well, clearly by Fuller-gate, the folks that run this place do to some degree, as do a number of supporters I saw come out this weekend.
It isn’t limited to sports either, although the sports media seem to be the biggest egomaniacs about it. I hate the constant insinuation that somehow a degree in journalism qualifies one as a subject matter expert, and the rest of us are just idiots writing from our parents basements.
by Jacques Strap on Aug 25, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
It’s a different kind of respect. I don’t care what they think of me as a writer or a blogger but I do care that they respect that what is produced here is done with effort and belongs to the writer and is not to be lifted.
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It's cheating...
Call it what they want but Fuller’s a cheat. Again these are the reasons we read you guys. I love this stuff and probably one of 3 reasons the computer is on in the summer.
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by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 25, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, but I think one speaks to the other somewhat. Hence why despite how difficult some media attempted to make the issue of double credit, they seemed to have no issue with figuring out how to double credit the Sun.
by Jacques Strap on Aug 25, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t care what they think of me as a writer or a blogger but I do care that they respect that what is produced here is done with effort and belongs to the writer and is not to be lifted.
A million times this.
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holy poop. have you guys seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LQAO-iCCAs&feature=related
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
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When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
holy crap doe sit ever, thats scary stuff
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m currently watching a discovery channel feature about the BTK serial killer. That Morris clip was way more disturbing.
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re: Rangers Mount Puckmore
Jagr is on it. Jagr? Jaromir Jagr? Jaromir “”http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=2497" target="new">Only Three Whole Seasons with the Rangers" Jagr?
What the hell?
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
You have to remember the rangers only got good players when those players were older than 33.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
They also have more than 80 years of history to draw from. I’ll reserve judgment until I actually see who else is on the list though.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
well, the original six era is completely a lost cause to the rangers, they finished second once, third once, fourth 5 times, and fifth and sixth eight times each. That’s pretty bad in a six team league.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
TBH I don’t know much about Rangers history. But from my cursory knowledge, they honestly could’ve thrown up Mike Gartner or something and people would accept it. The guy got 708 goals, which is good for top-five all time I believe.
Or even Mike Richter, who is as closely identified with that franchise as anybody else is.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Richter would’ve been a better pick than Jagr, yeah.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Gartner actually played more for the caps, he only played 4 years for them. He was also denied a rangers stanley cup because he got traded to toronto that year.
Richter’s a good choice, though much of his fame came from his impressive international resume as “Only good goalie the US had.” (He was pretty darn good, though)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Gartner was just the first name that popped into my head, Richter the second. Didn’t they retire Gartner’s number? Odd if he only played four years for them.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
They also retired Adam Graves number.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Gartner has had hit number retired by the capitals, not the rangers. But yes, they retired half their stanley cup winning team, too.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Ah right. The NHL trivia section of my brain is malfunctioning this morning.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
IIRC the column did mention Ratelle, Hadfield, Giacomin.
I just can’t fathom choosing Jagr. Lester Patrick would have been a better choice.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It seems like most of these have 3 good ones and then one stupid pick.
Which is why I liked the vancouver one that instead of taking a guy off picked the top 4 and wrote about “the next four”
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The Rangers have more retired jerseys than Cup banners. Their history isn’t particularly great.
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The point is...
if tyou live in the big Apple you only know big Apple teams and thus their best players rate. Not particularily realistic but definitely blinded.
Boucher, Messier, Leetch, Jagr.
First three are unimpeachable but Jagr is a complete joke.
It’s amazing, the Rangers have the same number of Cups in 80 years as the Leafs won from ‘62-’67, yet somehow we’re mythologized as the loser franchise.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Before they broke their curse in ’94 the Rangers were getting it way worse than the Leafs.
Remember when people used to chant 1941?
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
No, but NINE-TEEN-FOR-TY was pretty popular.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brain fart!
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was just Islanders fans.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahhahahaha
“he helped us make the playoffs out of the lockout” is the worst reason when I’m sure there’s at least one other guy prior to 1994 there for them.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
WTF?
Bill Cook, Mike Richter and Brad Park. What kind of a hack would put Jagr over any of these three?He was a better player, but not while with the Rangers.
I know the Rangers are the nerdy little brother of the original 6, but they have enough history that JAGR?!?! should be nowhere near that list. Christ, Sean Avery, Wade Redden, Henrik Lundquist and Glen Sather would all be better choices.
Vic Hadfield
NY Ranger from 1961 to 1974. Left wing.
1971-72 had 50 goals, 56 assists, 106 points, PLUS 142 penalty minutes. 16 points in 16 playoff games that year as well, losing in the finals to Bobby Orr and the Bruins.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
The bloggers who did NYR are young?
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Aug 25, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
A Rangers Mount Puckmore without Lester Patrick? The hell?
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously, I had to double check to see whether this one related to the Texas Rangers.
Hey Ranger dudes: THEY NAMED A WHOLE DIVISION AN’ A TROPHY AN’ SUCH AFTER THE GUY. With eighty years of crappy teams to pick from, you’d think a fellow like that, who spent twenty years with your club, actually brought it a championship and PLAYED GOAL WHEN HE WAS THE MANAGER AND A CHELIOS-ESQUE 44 YEARS OLD…well, you’d think a fellow like that might stand out a bit.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
…and yes, I feel better having unleashed the fury of the Caps Lock on the Rangers’ Mount Puckmore.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I know when I hear “New York Rangers” I automatically think “overpaid whiny cry babies”
This is my signature.
by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Sean Avery
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
that’s what I’m saying
This is my signature.
by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Is hilarious.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Using the same method i used to make my leafs puckmore:
I get: Harry Howell, Brian Leetch, Rod Gilbert, Mike Richter. If i were a rangers fan, i’d probably remove Richter and add Messier.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
WFAN in NYC reporting Kovy deal rejected again.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/08/25/report-nhl-denies-2nd-ilya-kovalchuk-deal/
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Wow, this is getting interesting. I’ll bet the revised deal was based on a pre-existing contract. If they’re denying a Hossa-type deal, does this mean they’re actually going to come after pre-existing contracts? How can they not, in fairness?
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking it was the LA Kings deal, 15 years for $90M.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Yeah, and I remember they specifically modelled that on pre-existing contracts (or at least, that was the rumour).
by The '67 Sound on Aug 25, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The NHL has dug their feet in on this one, no backdoor BS, and they have the precedent they needed to end the shenanigans.
Say what you will about Bettman, but he’s a legal ninja.
by Jacques Strap on Aug 25, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
More like a legal Ali… gets beaten on like a mule for the whole game, then turns around at the end and comes out punching haymakers. If he’d done a bit more stabbing on some of those earlier contracts I might have seen ninja.
I bow to your superior analogy-making. Also, “Rope-a-dope” is a good future nickname for Gary.
by Jacques Strap on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
bahh apologies
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by Future_considerations on Aug 25, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Points for trying though. I can never figure out how to post pictures correctly.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, I’ll give it a try.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
…are useful so we can minimize the post and the page runs smoother for longer.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone needs to start a pool on when a contract will be done (fully accepted) and the terms. This is just hilarious.
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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Thanks for making me feel inferior
Two more of years of college then my first apartment is going to shared with 2 other dudes with little to no hygienic standards, with probably a crazy lady next door.
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Chemmy is my roommate. Think about that for a second.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
I’m thinking. Actually, I’m bathing in that thought. Actually…
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We have separate bathrooms.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
what the hell kind of engineer are you? :P
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The big ballin’ kind.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
use your engineering skills and fix that two bathroom problem! don’t let such a simple problem fool you!
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Neither are gold plated
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty clean, and I cook a lot and I’ve never thrown up in the living room.
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* Blog contains less than 2% puppet content by weight.
Well between Skinny’s opulant penthouse bedroom teevee, and the pictures of Chemmy’s wedding, I’m starting to think our PPP overlords are also our financial overlords.
Plus, not to mention, also, the way PPP was mailing out money willy-nilly to hockey players in the no-habs-no campaign. I mean, that man was just sending out whole quarters, unprovoked.
Ah, memories!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if one of Cox’s kids will become a blogger, just to piss off the old man.
by Jacques Strap on Aug 25, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
“daddy, tennis sucks”
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
“I’m so tired of listening to Hotel California in the car”
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
“Grampa my privates hurt”
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Steve Yzerman - This season's GM of the Year
RFA Steve Downie has agreed to terms on two-year, $3.7M deal with Tampa. Cap hit is $1.85M.
Under $2M a year for a 20G agitator? Damn good deal.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Well, our defence looked like the best in the NHL last offseason too.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Ray Shero and Stan Bowman faced way more difficult situations and have done a great job restructuring their teams. The Penguins are serious competitors again, and the Blackhawks are still serious competitors.
Neither of which were the product of
this offseason.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
by Bower Power on Aug 25, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
You can say that all you want but the Blackhawks were looking like they needed to get rid of some really good players to get under the cap. They’re still contenders and the team has been torn up a bit but not even close to blown up.
That was the product of this offseason.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree, but that wasn’t what made them contenders. I also say that Stevie Y has done a more impressive job this season, as building the team is – in my mind – tougher than giving all of your “spare parts” away for anyone with a pulse and an ELC.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
by Bower Power on Aug 25, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He has done a very good job.
But I go back to my original point regarding Dan Ellis. This team will be nails on the powerplay, but will have a difficult time stopping anyone else from scoring.
He inherited an awesome situation and has added good pieces. I guess since it will probably put the Lightning in the playoffs, he’ll have drummed up interest and will maybe be given more free reign when it comes to spending money in the future. But i’m not read to crown him king just yet.
They were both products of this offseason. Everyone expected Chicago to suffer a cap apocalypse, but they managed to sell pretty high on relatively marginal pieces. Best guys they lost were Versteeg and Niemi, ad in Verteeg’s case they got some pretty good stuff back.
As for Pittsburgh, they got probably the best defenseman available (Michalek) and locked him up for a while, and Paul Martin was a great signing too. Their defense is better than when they won the cup, and while they still lack a fifth high-offensive forward (after Kunitz, Stall, Sid & Geno) their lineup is gritty as hell. They are like an extreme Brian Burke team: Top3 bottom9.
Sorry, I breezed over the comment and missed “again.”
But I just wouldn’t say “You know those Penguins, they really look promising because of their 2010 offseason moves!” Nor for the ’Hawks. Those teams are contenders because of moves (and draft choices) made earlier in the decade.
But that’s not the case for Tampa. Stevie Y’s trades and, more importantly, his signings have been excellent. From Downie to Ellis, that team has had a significant overhaul, and on paper looks to be much the better for it. To me, that blows Shero and Bowman out of the water if we’re giving a “best offseason” award.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
by Bower Power on Aug 25, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s have this discussion down here, it’s an intruiging one. Im just going to copy and paste what I wrote above:
He has done a very good job.
But I go back to my original point regarding Dan Ellis. This team will be nails on the powerplay, but will have a difficult time stopping anyone else from scoring.
He inherited an awesome situation and has added good pieces. I guess since it will probably put the Lightning in the playoffs, he’ll have drummed up interest and will maybe be given more free reign when it comes to spending money in the future. But i’m not read to crown him king just yet.
I disagree about inheriting the “awesome situation.” I mean, how awesome was the situation that it didn’t make the playoffs? Their defense was Ohlund and Hedman (an old D and a young one), his scoring pool was strong, but not exactly deep, and I believe the Lightning are still on an internal cap budget.
But he’s taken an impressive top 3 and turned it in to an impressive top 6, brought in a goaltender who will do well in a tandem setup (screwing the Habs in the process!), brought in some additional defense, and made some excellent signings.
To me, all of those are tougher than what the ‘Hawks and Pens have done. I mean, Versteeg to Stalberg is undeniably a notable step down. The only reason that trade is even close is because we didn’t manage to retain Sweatt, while the Hawks are retaining the two prospects we handed over. The Atlanta trade was, again, “I’ll take anyone with an ELC and a pulse, you take all of these bottom 6’ers who are pretty replaceable.” I mean, we’ve had a good number of posts around here talking about how players like John Mitchell, Hanson, etc. are best when they’re cheap, homegrown talent. That’s what the ’Hawks did. Shipped out expensive bottom sixers – luxury pieces in every sense of the word – to bring in cheap bottom sixes.
But I’m not trying to slight the Hawks. They made sure they got premium players on ELCs, and didn’t settle for “futures packages.” They’ve done what they had to do, and they did it very well, but I just don’t think it’s as impressive as building a team that looks like a real force in the playoffs. The Pens even less so – they targeted the right players, and they bid well. I’d be more impressed if they weren’t a perennial cup contender and/or weren’t on a cap-max budget (the old adage about being a team where players want to play).
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
by Bower Power on Aug 25, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Byfuglien was, indeed, a luxury piece. He was the centrepiece of a trade that bought them a first, a second and a damn good prospect in Jeremy Morin (OHL Kitchener 58Gp 47G 36A 19yrs old).
Losing Versteeg was worse (attaboy Burkie!!), but if the use Stalberg in their top lines he will probably score 20-25.
Losing Niemi kind of blows, but Turco will probably be great playing behind Chicago’s D (in fact, you could argue they’ve IMPROVED back there).
Most importantly, they’ve managed to keep Sharp (and Hjalmarrson) while fitting in Toews, Kane’s and Keiths new contracts. If you take into account the D in front of them, Turco is as good or better a signing than Dan Ellis.
I understand Stevie’s budget issues, in fact I mentioned them. But so far all he’s done is “target the right players and bid well,” except that their defense still sucks. David Polie has budget issues and has done at least as good a job in Nashville this summer, and Shero had to move his team back to heavyweight status and he’s done just that. Bowman first, Shero second, Polie and Yzerman third place tie.
shipped off mezaros and walker for gagne….that’s more than targeting the right players and bidding well.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Gagne is a great player, but he’s getting older, has injury issues, and Tampa’s defense is now worse. Also, got a 3rd for Mezaros.
I’m pretty sure almost everyone would agree that Tampa fleeced Philly in those deals.
Meszaros was a really bad contract, so was walker, getting gagne was a steal even for the one year he’s got left on his contract.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
we’re debating who we thought had a better offseason thus far…win/loss is irrelevant at this time, when the season starts that will be the benchmark
not entirely sure why I need to relax though? Do i have high blood pressure? are you my doctor? if so can you prescribe me some vicodin?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
My point is...
You’re dsicussing value without proof. What if Gagne is done? What if Ellis can’t play in a tought division. Yzerman has made moves tha may work out. But nothing so far is great/ terrible. And yes I am a doctor…trust me take the blue pills.
i contend that the central division is about 20 times tougher than the SouthEast, though mainly because of the conference it’s in.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Agreed.
But is being a GM in that division any easier or harder?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
This was in reference to Dan Ellis. But that’s a good question. The Red Wings, though in a really tough division, can attract free agents much more easily and have players lining up to play for them at below-market value, while not many people want to play for Tampa Bay, even if they did win a stanley cup recently.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Mezaros blows, that also gave em room to sign Kubina
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you just say Stan Bowman was the best GM in the NHL?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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He’s gone nuclear this offseason in acquiring picks and prospects for overhyped and overpaid talent while keeping the core of his team intact all while facing a crazy cap crunch.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
The Atlanta trade was pretty dame awesome, that’s for sure
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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seriously, he turned a situation in which everyone thought he was going to have to ship out talent for pennies on the dollars into a pick prospect lotto
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed, I still think that Stevie’s also done a great job in a situation that nobody knew what to make of it.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
The Huet situations is kind of ridiculous and hearing Bettman call it “cap management” instead of cap circumvention a day after rejecting another Kovalchuk contract is a complete farce.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
So Kovalchuk might not play out his contract, at least he’ll be honoring it while playing in the NHL.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
How much better is that than Gus’ or Kulie’s deal?
I’m sick of hearing what an awesome GM Yzerman is. Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy a lot and I think he’ll be a great gm. But everything he does is being called gold!!!
For example, lets see how good a goalie Dan Ellis is when he doesn’t have Nashville’s D-Corp (not to mention defensively astute F-Corp) taking care of business.
For some reason or another, PIM are worth money and Downie had 208 of them last year while scoring 22 goals. Imagine if Orr could score 20 goals.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Let’s not get hysterical here.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
The Southeast Division:
Atlanta, Washington, Tampa, Florida, Carolina
Only team with a defense or goalie last year was Florida. The Southeast is pond hockey.
Anson Carter scored 30 with the Sedins – VH1 where is he now time?
Burrows is a good hockey player – 30 goals with the Sedins as well?
20 for Orr is a lot, but 15… hmm.
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
provided 16 of them were bank shots off his feet.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
Clearly you’re forgetting how Orr is a sick, Brodeur-killing sniper!
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Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
by Bower Power on Aug 25, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
On the surface it’s slightly better than Kulemin’s deal just because he’s got more experience and put up more points, and he’ll get less money than Kulemin.
Of course, give Kulemin St. Louis and Stamkos as linemates, and give Downie the carousel of forwards Kulemin played with, and maybe the stats look a little different…
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s why I replied to Skinny’s comment
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Haven't looked it up
But I imagine this deal with take Downie to UFA status. So he takes less money for 2 years in order to score a bigger deal in the future. Playing with the players he gets to also won’t hurt his stats at all.
This is essentially the problem B. Ryan and the Ducks are having. So great deal, but also know that it will probably result in the Lightning not being able to afford to keep him after the deal is up. (Again, I am assuming he becomes UFA in 2 years, if he doesn’t then all of this is useless.)
In two years, he’ll get supplanted by Brett Connolly.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
in two years
i think you’re right. He becomes (ironically) Ryan Malone.
He’s out there as the “this guy scored 30! I need a 30-goal scorer” so you overpay him on a long term deal and take him away from the soft minutes and ask him to do some heavy lifting. He can’t, so his goal scoring drops back to 15.
A year later, he’s getting the Blake treatment as a dumped contract outta town.
If somebody signs Downie to consistently generate offense by himself, this will happen.
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I have never lived in my parent’s basement (i’m a bit of a statistical anomaly in that my folks are still married…) but, I ended up staying in a house that we all used to live in together, after they had a new one built and kept the one we were living in at the time as a rental.
so, there’s that…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
Never lived in my folks’ basement.
I did spend a semester renting someone else’s basement. Can’t say I’d repeat that.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
My senior year in college I lived in the basement of a house I shared with 4 other guys and the ceiling was covered wall to wall with 12" carpet sample squares. It was surreal.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Same
That one year in the basement made me laugh when I read about mother’s basements though.
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I lived with my parents for a few years after university, saved all my dough, and bought a house in Toronto at 24 that subsequently appreciated during the housing boom and has put me in a much better financial position 10 years later than my friends who paid $1000 a month to share a dump 10 minutes from their parents’ place. I still fail to see how any opinion I had on hockey then would be any less relevant than it is now.
And I thought my Cox Blocked was original when I said the Raiders game was blacked out live last weekend on KTLA (Los Angeles) by my cable provider.
What. A. Jerk.
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Coxed
Sadly, he won’t go away. Cox is one of those people that get stuck in their own opinion cycle. If something or someone doesn’t agree with them, they fear they are inadequate so they have to belittle rather than assess. Having read him for years, you only have to read the title of his column. From there you will always know tell what he will say. Years of rantin’ at the Leafs to cellar out an get draft picks to go young; the moment they do he mocks them for being in the basement. He won’t have a job if the Leafs(or any other TO team) does well. He needs their failure to wallow in. “Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty and the pig likes it” from the Blogging the Boys.( can’t remember the actual blogger).
And just for you Damien: Unsupported information and opinion disguised as valid arguments earn a failing grade in my English class. I don’t live in a basement or with my parents. Maybe you should climb out of your cave and realize this new “medium” will overrun the MSM. We actually use it in the class to remain relevant to the future.
by Fanamaniac on Aug 25, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If you can find an old VHS copy of “The Passion Returns” along with a still-functioning machine on which to play it, one of the most fascinating parts is a significantly-younger Damien Cox gushing on just how wonderful Burns and Fletcher and the Leafs were.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
And Dougie’s hair is magical.
Also, don’t forget: Leafs Are The Best!
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Dougie..
Anybody know where we can clone him. Seems like he’d be aperfect fit for Buke’s vision. How about some players in his style? anybody?
This. (I hope.)
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs to borrow a bit of feisty from Grabbo to make that one happen.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
I have been working on crossing my fingers AND toes at the same time in hopes of helping out somehow.
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
by jrwendelman on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
a friendly reminder
the injury he suffered in his final NCAA season was a direct result of his feistiness.
An opponent stuck out his leg and tripped the Regina native. No penalty was called. So the fuming forward scraped himself off the ice and took it upon himself to seek vigilante justice.
This is my signature.
by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Dare To Dream
Oops, they took that one down.
Here’s the full version. Song is actually called Dare To Dream.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
What a glorious head of hair

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by mf37 on Aug 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec’d for hairiness.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what happened.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This is just a guess, but I’m going to go with Cliff Fletcher and Pat Quinn put something in Cox’s shampoo that destroyed his magical follicles.
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Heroes.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Now…not so much.
The Maple Leafs- making me certifiably insane since 1985.
by torleafsfan29 on Aug 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he looks like the mutant offspring of Tie Domi and Barry Melrose
no wonder he is so bitter
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
MAPLE LEAFS AND NHL DISCUSSION
If you can’t find it then click this link.
And now we will end the discussion about what Chemmy and I should or should not write (what we want) and why we aren’t discussing other topics (we are).
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Nobody ever writes about history on this blog. That’s what I hate.
Oh…
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
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When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
I have excuses. Some are even valid, sort of.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
I’ve written historyesque posts a few times.
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
posted this over there
but maybe it bears repeating…?
I’ve seen more than a few former lurkers sign up to comment about their distaste in the wall to wall coverage of Fuller-gate. And, from that, a gentle prod from PPP towards more Leafs-centric content (albeit previously posted stuff…)
Which is to say, dear lurkers, if you continue to exclude yourself from the community, you will continue to be at the mercy of our whims.
Sign up, get involved!
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
will do
…except I enjoy reading everyone’s comments, and by the time I get to them it feels like most things have been covered nicely. I have little to nothing to add by way of content or wit.
by Tempus Fidgets on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure you’ll do fine. Thanks for joining.
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If all you do is read and toss in pot shots and game day comments, it’s still worth signing up just for the magical Z button.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
by Bower Power on Aug 25, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Also remember:
If you don’t like anything we do there’s a complaints box available for you to put your comments into:

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by Chemmy on Aug 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Kaberle deadline also brought a few out to comment, and then the shift to a non-ice related topic could’ve led to the trend as well.
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by BetterThanBester on Aug 25, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Need some opinions here: is there any way for Europe to sell youth hockey? I don’t see how they can. I mean, here in NA, we can compare it to NCAA sports (except infinatly better), but i don’t think there is a comparable institution in Europe (let alone any individual country)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
A lot of hockey clubs have junior teams, as do soccer teams in Europe.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t those more like AHL teams as opposed to leagues for like the 15-18 year olds? Of course, i know nothing about European youth sports at all…
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Sorry..
New to this. We took our HS team to Europe five times every three years. The overall talent is not there. Some very good individuals. We are a semi-good team but outclassed everything but their junior level teams. It’s a long way from good hockey yet. Czech, Austria, Hungary, Swiss teams.
I will fight like hell and not allow anybody to come from abroad
so all it took to get swiss to stand up was nhl to dream about european expansion? who would’ve guessed…
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
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by Jacques Strap on Aug 25, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Pension Plan Puppets was mentioned on Fan 590 by a caller around 10:40-10;50am
I believe they were discussing the “Blogosphere” and Damien Cox.
I was distracted at the time, but did hear mention of Fullergate..
Apologies if this has been previously mentioned..
Today's tears will become tommorow's rain.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 25, 2010 12:01 PM EDT reply actions
The Fan..
Kristol’s a large somethin but Brady in the afternoon seems interesting and balanced but I miss Hogan. Hopefully they will get more relevant then I can read the blogs and listen at the sane time.
Cheers
Will check it out online tonight.
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PPP
Love this site/blog. Hope you keep it up.
If the Leafs ar the 2nd youngest team, do we need to worry? Is this the Chicago model? Would you trade it all for just one cup?
Chicago got lucky by being bad and drafting guys like Toews, Kane, and Keith who would outperform their ELC contracts thus allowing Chicago to spend on veteran talent like Hossa and Campbell. Unfortunately the Leafs don’t have that kind of young talent in the system at the moment. Perhaps one day in the future they will, but now………
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Chicago won the cup next year. They’re not the front runners, but it wouldn’t be a big surprise if they did.
We also don’t need to worry about them being the 2nd youngest team right now… give them a few years and if they’re still just out of a playoff spot (and looking at low teens 1st rounders as opposed to lottery picks), then we can worry.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
All strategies require some luck to work out. Building through trades is great if pronger and nieds land in your lap. Building through the draft is awesome if Crosby or Kane land in your lap. Building through low-drafted superstars is awesome if you are the redwings…
There’s 30 teams, all of whom are only allowed to spend roughly the same amount of money, and 27 or 8 of which have competent GMs… if there was a foolproof strategy, everyone would do it, and then it wouldn’t be foolproof anymore. So your GM’s skill and connections will predict a bit of the variance in outcomes – enough that your team will tend to consistently be in the top or bottom half, maybe… but ending up in the #1 spot requires an accumulation of good fortune over several years, or a VERY good run of luck in a small-sample sized set of playoffs, or, more likely, both.
by Wan Ihite on Aug 25, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Amazing
This is one of those comments that needs to go in the HOF or something so that we can be reminded of it whenever we start bickering about how to build a Cup winning team.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Great comment
Teams aren’t managed in a vacuum. You could make the optimum moves, make all the right choices relevant to your team and still not win a Cup because there are 29 other teams out there.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
Does anyone know if there is a website that I can sort player production against each opponent? I’m interested in seeing how many of Downie’s goals came against the Lollypop Division.
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
hockey-reference has scoring logs
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, better than that: http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/downist01/splits/
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The 4 teams he scored the most against are the Thrashers (lol), Rangers, Islanders, and Sabres.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, he scored 25% of his goals (6) against the South-east.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
not surprising considering you play 29% of your games against your division
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Nope, but I’d hardly say he was feasting on a weak division. If anything it’s his linemates, 31% of his points were put up riding shotgun with St. Louis and Stamkos.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Gold
From the Silence Kid’s twitter feed (@thesilencekid):
For Sens Fans, Truer Words Have Never Been Printed

Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
by mf37 on Aug 25, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 15 recs
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah breath bahahahahahahahahahaha.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
AMAZING
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Also amazing
most goalie figures have them in position to make a save…. Lalime’s is accurate in having his be him drinking from his water bottle.
This is full of win.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not on his jersey
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
DONT POST THAT WHILE IM EATING! I ALMOST LOST VALUABLE SANDVICH!
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Let’s dress one of those guys we have no value for on t he Leafs to run Miller just so we can see Lalime as a starting goalie in the NHL again.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I THINK WE FOUND A JOB FOR BROWN
Fairweather fans can go to hell
Equal oppurtunity asshole and a proud member of the PPPPP
Follow me on twitter: leafer1984
YES PLEASE
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Miller will punch them out. He can defend himself even if most his defencemen are cowards.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Miller will punch them out.
Awww how cute
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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silly loppy
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ubiq, you do know that Ryan Miller is all of 115 lbs soaking wet, right…?
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
160, but that doesn’t change anything. He also has a substantial advanage in terms of equipment to punch with.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
I think Loppy having a GRBRZRKR moment would be high comedy
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I know i’d be laughing for at least 10 minutes. Though the rabbit punch he threw at Stajan was pretty cool.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Soccer ball did more damage than a Ryan Miller punch.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly think that if Ryan Miller were to punch the non-pro athlete I am, I could shrug it off. and i’m a wimp. ask my wife. the guy’s a twig. lightning fast reflexes though…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
WHERE IS THE “REC A BAZILLION TIMES” BUTTON?
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"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator)
Ahhhh memories… my first ever official contact outside of reading this site was through sending an email over to PPP last season when the Ottawa Citizen had the story up about Sens pacifiers being recalled because they were choking hazards…. I believe he posted it too
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by BetterThanBester on Aug 25, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I did
Made me laugh my ass off.
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Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
It's perfect..
Miller hates us and we hate him. Prediction: he’ll really hate us when he’s in the basement writin anti-Cox stuff. Maybe Cox could move to Buffalo and start a “we hate the Leafs club” with Miller. It’s a second rate beer too.
I’m an engineering student. I don’t live in my moms basement, but I kinda wish I did sometimes. It’s the end of the semester and I’m broke as fuck
Best thing to do is ignore Damien Cox. I honestly haven’t read a word he’s written since.. well, I can’t remember when.
Blue on both sides: Maple Stir-up
Kypreos saying Willie Mitchell’s going to LA on a multi-year deal… now, I like Mitchell, but doesn’t it seem silly to give a guy who’s just coming back from a MAJOR concussion a multi-year deal?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
Clearly Jeff Finger was too expensive for them.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
gotta be inlcuding bonuses.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
had to have spent 100 days on LTIR. If he played 48 games, that’s close.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Check out Fear the Fin.
Including playoffs, he hit it.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
While I think the rebuttal was necessary
It does make me a bit sad that the intelligent and reasonable people of this community have resorted to listing their valuable possessions and prestigious jobs as justification for why their hockey opinions are valid.
You missed the point.
They weren’t saying those things to make their hockey opinions valid – they were saying those things to out the stereotype of the so-called basement-dwelling bloggers.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see why you feel I missed the point.
I recognize the point that was trying to be made – bloggers, SBnation bloggers specifically, are actually quite high in socio-economic status, mature and independent.
My disagreement stems from the same problem that Cox is accused of: socio-economic status isn’t relevant when discussing the credibility of hockey blogging – neither basement dwelling nor penthouse dwelling. If Cox managed to drag the discussion down to the level of trading salaries (I’m exaggerating and I know it), then he has succeeded in his aggravation tactics. Wrestling with pigs in the mud and whatnot.
I felt General Borschevsky’s comment from 5:33 AM PDT nicely summed up my feelings on the subject. So what if a person does live in their mother’s basement? (Disclosure: I don’t).
So what if a person does live in their mother’s basement?
Who cares where you live.
I don’t, and I hope most everyone else (besides obviously Cox) doesn’t care.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes!
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The point isn’t that our opinions are valid it’s to point out how stupid his insults are. Everyone here does something worth doing and basing you opinion of them on an assumption that they don’t is stupid.
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My Mom lived in my basment for a year
So clearly, I win.
If I can't be a good example, then I will just have to serve as a horrible warning...
by CancerousRocket on Aug 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
agreed
stereotypes based on presumed socioeconomic status are lame.
signed,
the suits and sushi club
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
by daoust on Aug 25, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
maybe if you didn’t perpetuate the stereotype then we wouldn’t have to!
signed,
living in parents basement
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i think someone’s fishing for an invite to a game in the golds.
suit and basement-dwelling blogger go to game together, ACC self-combusts.
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Viva the revolution, when we will go down to the lower bowl with pitchforks and flaming brands and molten iron in our veins, lightning in our hearts… and then sit down to watch professional athletes chase a small rubber disk around an enclosed oval of ice, taking deliberate care to only have a small minority of them chasing it at once… AND IT WILL BE GLORIOUS!
Cox actually tweeted to someone that he doesn't follow simple opinion article rules.
@HalakItALot I appreciate your opinion. But I’m a columnist. I write many pieces w/o seeking comment or showing the other side. Basic media.
“But I’m a columnist” = Opinion based writing or personality profiles.
“without showing the other side.” = Not defending your opinion against the opposing side. That is the simplest of journalistic pursuits.
Basically, Cox said that he is lower than a blogger because apparently bloggers are showing the other side in their righting (in his own twisted way of putting down bloggers, of course).
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
No, he’s saying that columnists aren’t about scrupilously even handed dealing as the rest of the paper is (supposed!) to be, but are free to push opinions or points of view without regard to the other side.
Yes, acknowledging the other side and refuting is one time honored way to do this, but not the only one, and not required. If you flip through a bunch of columns you’ll find they often don’t. People will regularly rail against, say, poverty, without saying “on the other hand, business interests claim…” Though they certainly can do that if they want to.
Cox may be a hack, but he’s not actually wrong about his basic job description here.
While most do not do it, that does not make it right. The fact is that any journalism class will teach a person to always refute the opposing side because it adds extra validity to your argument and provides the reader with more than just whatever you decided to put on paper.
Heck, if you don’t provide both sides of the argument you almost automatically lose out on any US state high school journalism awards for opinions/columns. Found that out two years ago (New Jersey), when I got to see the scoring on my column. It’s part of one of the most heavily weighed sections. Luckily I provided the alternative points of view.
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"College is only 4 years, but the Eagles are for life." - Ironhank
by Scott Kessler on Aug 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The psychology of how persuasive it is depends on how motivated the audience is. If they’re highly interested, you’re better giving both sides. If they don’t really care, 1-sided args win out.
But yeah, the US media is obsessed with balance because they use this in place of thinking. Their version of fairness is “we give both sides, you decide”, rather than “we’ve looked into it, and here’s the truth”. Their strategy works great until they run into people willing to tell them bare faced lies, at which point they end up writing stories about “views on the shape of the Earth differ.” At which point saying “no, really, it’s round, we have proof” result in them deciding that you are shrill and not A Serious Person. Ever since the republicans figured this out (the dems have never really got the hang of it), their media has been a complete joke when it comes to informing people about any serious topic.
But that’s a whole other rant :)
I’m just commenting on what journalism classes teach. You’re going into stuff I’m not prepared to talk about but do enjoy reading about.
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