Maple Leafs Discussion
by PPP on Aug 25, 2010 11:28 AM EDT
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PrintThere has been a few complaints about the product that Chemmy and I have been putting out. Naturally, we're flattered that people are interested in what we have to say but frankly the summer is long and we will write probably at least 200 posts from September to April and God help us if the Leafs make the playoffs. So we're pretty much in battery-recharging mode. Thankfully, my girlfriends and the blogosphere have not been in the same mode. Every day there is a From The Branches post with links to usually at least 10 posts with lots of topics to discuss. You do not have to stick to the topic of the post in there. Relish that freedom because it's not found in other posts. If there is a post or story you saw elsewhere (except HockeyBuzz or The Sun - because you can just read it here) then toss in a link and kick off discussion. It is an open forum posted every morning at 7am.
If you can't find something there to discuss then come after the jump for some suggestions and a helpful reminder.
One of the great things about SBN for both the readers and site managers is that it is not bully pulpit. You are not just reading, you can participate. One of the big things that makes other SBN sites jealous of ours is obviously Chemmy's and my handsomeness but the other big one is that our fanposts are among the best throughout the hockey megaverse. If you want to see something discussed then share your thoughts. There is a handy style guide in the left sidebar that will help outline the expectations or you can look at some of the great fanposts that have been written. Keep in mind, that the topic might have been covered so check out past fanposts so that you repeating things. If you are, don't be surprised if the post disappears or people complain.
The reason Chemmy and I don't necessarily tackle every topic is because a lot of it is already done. Here are some of the fanposts from the past week that you should be reading and discussing if sports media and the interaction between the traditional and new media isn't your bag. I presume that this will mean the end of "Why aren't we discussing (Topic X)?" and "enough with (Topic Y)" posts:
What Do the '06-'07 Ducks Tell Us About the '10-'11 Leafs? - The '67 Sound
This is a great example to follow. In this one he looks at the Stanley Cup champion that Brian Burke built in Anaheim, what roles players were playing, how they were deployed, and an examination of the true make-up of the team's forwards. You will literally not read a better piece from the traditional media all season long.
Building off of The '67 Sound's piece is another good one that focuses on the makeup of the Toronto Maple Leafs' top nine forwards and looks for where the newcomers might slot in. The TOI comparison makes the case that the "top six/bottom six" distinction might not be entirely accurate.
26 Days of Scoring: The Leafs After Dion - Bower Power
Bower Power, when not educating James Wallace on the finer points of journalistic ethics and the law, examined the Maple Leafs' scoring post-Phaneuf Trade in an attemtp to determine the age-old question "where will the goals come from?"
What do you think this is...some kind of goal scoring competition? - Birky
In a nod to one of Damien Cox's all-time dumbest lines Birky also takes a look at the Maple Leafs' scoring and what the team needs/can attain. He also looks at the implications for making the playoffs which are neatly summed up by Chemmy's Pythagorean graph.
In place of shootout, ZERO points for a tie - Wan Ihite
In a more macro-level piece Wan wonders if there isn't a way to fight back against the detrimental effect the loser point has on the end of games.
"Who will they be?" The Toronto Maple Leafs potential game - The Burnward
If speculation is more of your interest during the summer then use this fanpost to make the case for who you think each of the Leafs' youngsters might project out to become.
Canadian Regional Hockey Teams - Who Would Win a Tournament? - Slave Duris #24
Another speculation post flashing back to the Olympics when people were discussing regional teams in Canada. What do you think of each team? Who is missing? Who would win? It's a veritable "what if?" wonderland.
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So I started following Damien. Do I have to tweet anything offensive or will I get blocked simply as a matter of course?
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
if you criticize his writing in any way, you’re not his friend. And if you’re not his friend, you shouldn’t be following him!
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
A friend isn’t always someone who tells you what you want to hear. A friend tells you what you need to hear.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
Damien disagrees with you.
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
If he disagrees with me
He is so not my friend, then.
I should block him.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
also a friend with weed is better
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A friend with weed is a friend indeed. Just ask Archi.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
by SkinnyFish on Aug 25, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
need to listen to that song again
/off to youtube
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
would love to burn a session with nazem, that would be sick.
got to blaze one with necrobutcher (from RoH and The Wrestler) last summer! that was cool. (sorry to go off topic)
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We should approach him with the idea.
PS I love that you’re still using the Phaneufman picture I created as your avatar.
give him a call haha
love this picture, made me lol pretty hard. good stuff!
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i kind of like the cornyness or MS paint…. probably because its all i could pull off myself haha
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Afford…Photoshop?
You mean it isn’t free?
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
This is news to me as well.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Why get “free ones that do photoshop type stuff” when you can get Photoshop for free? I downloaded Photoshop 7 online for free and after 30 seconds of a Google search for “registration key for Photoshop 7” I had everything I needed. Most of the “other” free ones either have very limited functionality or are 30 day trials that stop working a month after you download them.
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 26, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
no idea
he still hasn’t blocked me but never replies to me either so…
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So I started following Damien
There’s your mistake.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
jesus. You guys are always going on about the stupid Mupple Laffs. Get over it. What we need to be talking about is the ongoing battle between the MSM and the blogosphere.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
by birky on Aug 25, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 13 recs
beat me to it
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
Ron Wilson’s sly grin in that picture is the best part.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
he’s up to something, that’s for sure
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
nah, if he farted, he’d only have that expression if her were driving a car with windows he could lock.
Fear the wrath of Ron Wilson’s breakfast burrito!
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
NeeeYAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that, out of Fuller-gate, some good has come
I’ve seen more than a few former lurkers sign up to comment about their distaste in the wall to wall coverage of Fuller-gate. And, from that, a gentle prod from PPP towards more Leafs-centric content (albeit previously posted stuff…)
Which is to say, dear lurkers, if you continue to exclude yourself from the community, you will continue to be at the mercy of our whims.
Sign up, get involved!
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
Excellent Point
Which is to say, dear lurkers, if you continue to exclude yourself from the community, you will continue to be at the mercy of our whims.
Sign up, get involved!
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I for one find it hilarious that lurkers are signing up to complain that we haven’t offered very much to lurk at lately.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
In the words of the great poetess Alanis Morissette
It’s ironic, don’t ’cha think?
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
But I like your whims. Your whims are funny.
Our two best players are cavemen. What is this? Geico?
by thejohnkeating on Aug 25, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
LEAFS DISCUSSION
I think the Maple Leafs are pretty awesome. Discuss.
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by Chemmy on Aug 25, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I promise this isn’t a honeypot.
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I disagree
I think they are very awesome
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Counterpoint:
I think the Leafs are also radical.
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I submit that they are in fact, bodacious
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
gah
JINX
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
I think they are bodacious and could be totally non-heinous and most excellent in the coming years.
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
definitely non-heinous
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
They will be most triumphant.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
STATION
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
And Orr’s knuckles will continue to execute their EXTREME CLOSEUPS!
(ok, mixing movies now, but work with me)
Party on Phil. Party on Dion.
Where’s Bloge Salming when you need him?!?!
Our two best players are cavemen. What is this? Geico?
by thejohnkeating on Aug 25, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re not my least favorite team in the division.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for that.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey it’s okay. Let’s go burn down the Bell Center.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i miss MLG…
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
MLSE loses out on naming rights $ = Higher ticket prices & more games on subscription only Leafs TV.
Naming rights are usually sold cheap… although I could see the ACC being a different case. Whatever just call the Raptors the “Canada Jets” or “Canada Air” or something. It would sound better anyway.
Fed Ex tried that when the Gizzlies moved to Memphis (Memphis Express or something) Unlike MLS, NBA doesn’t like corporate team names.
Yeah, but the NBA also has some of the worst team names of all. Utah JAZZ!?!?!? And the Toronto Raptors is the stupidest name in all major league sports. The team is named after a dinosaur that:
1) Nobody had ever heard of before the movie
2) Didn’t live in this area
3) Didn’t live AT ALL because the creature from the movie didn’t exist in real life: Velociraptors were three feet tall and had feathers. There was Utahraptor, but that thing was huge and still had feathers (in otherwise, a giant chicken).
Apparently they had the names “raptors” and “grizzlies” and a third one already picked out and focus group tested before the teams in Toronto and BC were even awarded, and it was just a matter of who got which.
Huskies? Seriously? Naming your sports teams after big fluffy friendly dogs famous for having blue eyes and extra fluff?
I mean, why not name your team the twigs, or the stems, or some tree part if you’re gonna go all krazzee about names.
(actually the “barks” wouldn’t be all bad)
Huskies was the name of the original Toronto NBA team. Good symbol if you think of Toronto as the team representing the Great White North as a whole. Also, works well with blue and white which are the historic colours of this cities sports teams. (Leafs, Marlboros, original Toronto Hockey Club, St Mike’s, UofT Varsity, Blue Jays, Argonauts).
How about “The Toronto Those Wooden Spiggots That You Stick Into A Tree To Get Maple Syrup That Are More Associated With Quebec But That We Have Here Too, At Least Until They Paved Over All The Land For Hundreds Of Ks And Global Warming Wrecked The Cold Winters.”
The TWSTYSIATTGMSTAMAWQBTWHHTALUTPOATLFHOKAGWWTCW’s. Kinda rolls off the tongue, no?
FINE.
We’ll call them the “fucking asshole bay street brokers who drop, like, 2Gs every Friday at For Your Eyes Only because they are douche-bags with overpriced hair cuts and nothing interesting about them but money so they can’t get women any other way; also, coke habits, don’t forget the coke habits.”
HAPPY NOW!?!?!?…
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Still, it’s better than Raptors.
by samspade on Aug 25, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s objectively wrong and purposefully obtuse.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. Just think Raptors would be a better name than that mess.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Tree parts? Like the Leaves? That would be so lame..
"Hockey captures the essence of Canadian experience... hockey is the chance of life, and an affirmation that despite the deathly chill of winter we are alive." - Stephen Leacock.
Banana Slugs could totally dominate any tree, or tree-living creature.
Prefers pugnacity to truculence.
Love to see a game between them and the Rhode Island School of Design Nads (I swear to god I am not making this up)
I’d take that over Knicks(erbockers). Who names teams after pants anyway?
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
If their jerseys had a picture of pants on them I would probably own a hat or t-shirt.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Or socks?
You mess with the bull young man, you'll get the horns - Principal Richard Vernon
by Biff Carrington on Aug 25, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Huskies probably for the vintage name. I actually like it better than Raptors. Feels more Canadian. I mean, I love my huskies, couldn’t get to work each day without them.
I think it was, ?I was in grade 4 and our teacher had a lesson on sports teams and we got to submit an entry as a class (I forget what it was).
One of the questiosn he asked was “Which NHL team has a word spelled wrong in their name?”
For some reason we all guessed Whalers.
It was John Bitove’s 4 year old son that chose Raptors.
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thank god he didnt have a daughter or it woulda been the toronto barbies
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I’m pretty sure he had a daughter or a niece, not really sure
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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you’re ruining the joke, jerk
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm I vaguely remember something about a neice…
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Announcing tonoights all ursidae battle, with the marquee match up of the Boston Bruins vs. Toronto Care Bears.
The Toronto My Little Ponies!
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
Toronto Trolls!
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto Transformers!!! What? Everyone loved the Transformers…
"Put the kids in with a few old pappy guys who still like to win and the combination is unbeatable."
Conn Smythe
by rover_from_under_crowsnest on Aug 25, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto ninja turtles…
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If the team were invented now? Yeah.
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still think “Toronto Towers” was the best of the nominees. works on multiple levels…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The TO towers? nerd.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHA, Corny was out nerded. nerd!
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
tee hee
corny
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
hooray it’s middle school all over again!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys want to play dungeons and dragons?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You always win because you have so much charisma.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Plus he has weighted dice.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Also the DM is too busy storytelling to read all the rulebooks
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
if you can’t weave a good story, you might as well just play magic
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
homeschooled kids interested in theater make the best GMs.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking from personal experience?
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The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
no, never… (yes)
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got my Dungeon Master’s guide……
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard the reason they didn’t consider Towers was becuase it would have been impossible not to include the iconic image of the CN Tower in their logo in someway but they had no interest in getting into a trademark squabble with CN.
Total cop-out.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Raptors isn’t really all that bad of a team name.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Raptors is a decent name. There are far, far worse out there, for sure.
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
In the NBA alone:
Memphis Grizzlies (No Grizzlies live in Memphis)
Washington Wizards
New Jersey Nets (Imagine a team called the Goals in hockey)
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
That’s because for some freaking reason they didn’t change the team names when they moved from Minnesota and New Orleans respectfully.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
I’d love to poll 1,000 Utahians (WTF are people from UTAH called?) on their favourite jazz artist or song.
My guess is Kenny G would defeat Rod Stewart by a nose (and yes, I know, Rod isn’t jazz).
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I call them Mormons. (technically Utahan)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
It’s odd, whenever one of my wife’s colleagues get flowers at work she always says, “Why can’t Mormons send flowers?”
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
I guess
Washington Wizards was seen as better PR than Washington Bullets… despite the accuracy of the latter.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Washington Wizards is definitely the worst team name in the NBA. and that’s from a guy who misspent his formative actually playing games involving wizards.
And raptors are something every school kid needs to know about.. And the public too.
The Velociraptors in Jurassic Park are actually Deinonychus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinonychus
However I’m guessing they thought “Velociraptor” was a cooler sounding name and easier to pronounce.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But Toronto Raptors is still a pretty dumb name for a baketball team here.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Be thankful the team isn’t about 12 years older. They’d be the the Toronto E.T.’s.
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Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
Optimus Prime makes everything better.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The Utah Jazz
were originally located in New Orleans… hence the title.
It is sort of like the Calgary Flames, who were originally from Atlanta (which makes far more sense from a heat perspective).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Also,
Atlanta suffered a major fire in 1917.
There have been four Cups won since the lockout ended, and I got one of them, and it was a fighting team.
Atlanta was burned in the Civil War. I believe it’s a reference to that.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
Sherman burned that mother to the ground, along with most of Georgia.
PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 26, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet that’s still not as moronic as Colorado wanting to call their new hockey team the “Extreme” before settling on “Avalanche”
Resident Capologist
No, Raptors is worse. At least Extreme is somewhat abstract. Whatever, im glad neither are engraved on the Stanley Cup.
I don’t know, I like the Wild as an abstract name, it fits with Minnesota, forests, and unclaimed land.
But Extreme jsut brings up images of an early 90’s kids drawing of a hockey team. terrible colours and a way too busy jersey.
Roller Hockey, thats where the team anme extreme belongs.
I think by far the worst names are Predators and Thrashers.
Just ugh.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Most team names are dumb, but the newer ones aren’t ones you’re used to so you like them less.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, Bruins? what the fuck’s up with that? too fancy to use the word bear?
cripes!
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The maple leafs are named after an army battalion or something, right?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the take they put in the official history.
It’s also the name that the local ball club had had for at least 20 years and the pre-Smythe ownership had also considered syncing the names – this according to newspaper reports from the era referenced by H&N in Deceptions and Doublecross.
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Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
Interestingly – the baseball team that was once the Toronto Maple Leafs (1895-1967) now resides in Pawtucket. Red Sox fans should know it rather well.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
So the Maple Leafs are named after the Red Sox? eyebleaf isn’t gonna like this…
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The baseball Leafs are actually six years older than the Red Sox.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
Umm
but the Toronto Maple Leafs baseball team still exists in the inter-county baseball league? So I’m assuming that’s a separate more recent incarnation?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
ah yes
revived the name in 1969, after the International league team left Toronto in 1967.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that they actually found that Sabre-tooth Tiger down right by the rink.
And the Thrasher is Georgia’s state bird (also fits in with the other Atlanta teams)
I don’t like the Wild, I’m not a fan of abstract names
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Wild is sorta abstract but it also makes sense in context. There was also a coffee-table book named “Minnesota Wild” which might have something to do with it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
shoulda just called em the North Stars again
fuck dallas
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
North Stars never should have left. Fuck Norm Green.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Also fuck dallas.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nah, the ACC could never be MLG2.
I wouldnt mind checking out MLG after all the reno’s are done though. Hopefully they do a good job
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
the plans look good, but I don’t like replacing “Maple Leaf Gardens” on the overhang swith “Ryerson University” it should stay as it is.
Part of me wishes that they had sold the palce to Melnyk so there would be some form of competetive hockey* going on, but then I realise that he then owuld ahve never moved St Mikes to mississauga and I’d have no team.
*I’m sure university hockey is competetive, but really, no one cares.
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by Future_considerations on Aug 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
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for insufficient optimism.
The Leafs are superawesome. On paper. In August.
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Fact: the Leafs are undefeated this season. They haven’t lost in over 3 months.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
has the new season started yet? or does august still count as last season and the new season doesn’t start until training camp?
Is it July 1st?
or the day after the last game of the cup final?
season starts July 1st.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
I thought that was the draft?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
… and on the ice in April.
Our two best players are cavemen. What is this? Geico?
by thejohnkeating on Aug 25, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
is there going to be a PPP night at loose moose this year? Someone said the first saturday game maybe?
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cool, I wish the home opener was a saturday though… i actually have tickets to the game yet the PPP party wont be the same night =/
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
WOOO! Opening night! Wooo!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Aug 25, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got a question about Marcel Mueller
Ever since he was signed, people are confidently predicting he’s got an excellent chance of becoming our #2 LW and that he’ll become a real solid player. What I don’t understand is how something like this even happens – how does a 22-year-old with this sort of potential not just slip through the net at the draft but evade the scouting staff of every team that’s ever watched him? This isn’t a Zetterberg situation, Burke isn’t just taking a flier in the draft and hoping, but I can’t yet grasp how Mueller’s even available. Is it really just that he’s playing in the German leagues or are there other factors at work?
Well, one factor is that it takes a lot of time and effort to woo these players to the NHL sometimes.
And he’ll probably be a call-up this year, but who knows as we’ve never seen him play.
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Yeah, I have no speciic info about Mueller, but rather than wait and be educated by someone who actually knows what they are talking about, I’ll jump in and say that htis sometimes happens with late bloomers who were undersized or whose skills hadn’t really kicked in earlier. See under Bozak, Tyler
Well possibly
because we’re overrating his potential? It has happened before. He should be Marlies fodder first and foremost, German hockey != NHL hockey. Transition period before his potential can even be figured out.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 25, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t ever recall seeing a comment claiming he has “an excellent chance”
I think his name has been included as a possibility to highlight the lack of skill on LW.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t remember every comment but Brian Burke himself said that he has the tools to be a top six forward. He also said that about Christian Hanson so take that for what it’s worth.
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Hanson probably does / did have the tools. And I still think Hanson could top out as a 20 goal guy, or a guy with low scoring but who forms an integral part of our NiedPahlssonMoen-esque NO line of the future.
He did tear it up in the A... hasn't translated it to the NHL yet.
We going to sign him yet or what?
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 25, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Burke says that about every signing.
“Brett Lebda has an excellent chance to be a top 6 forward”
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
He also said that about Brayden Irwin….
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Bozak slipped through the draft because he was puny. Mueller could just be a late bloomer. You’re right in that generally there is a reason but 22 is still young. It’s not taking a flier on a 28 year old. Hopefully he’s young enough to hone his game.
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Mueller won’t play for the Leafs this year. Burke said as much on the radio.
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I don’t recall Burke ever saying that
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In 198 games with the Sharks and Berlin Polar Bears from 2005-10, Mueller recorded 43 goals and 61 assists with 316 penalty minutes.
"I expect he will need time with the Marlies, but that’s up to him," Burke said.
July 14, Toronto Star
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha.
Thanks
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Funny you mention this
Mike Ulmer has a blog on the Leafs official site about Mueller today.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 25, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I just got a kitten over a month ago and named her Wendy Clark. Cool.
by fatassjackson on Aug 25, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Chemmy's dog - Wendel Bark BEST DOG NAME EVER!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Outperform both Bozak and Grabbo by a significant margin
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Jussi boobs is a lock for the starter gig then
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he doesn’t
I want him to stick with the Viking style thing he has going
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s always room for Vikings.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Eddie Belfour would come out of retirement if that happened.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Players would have to hide in the areas next to the trapezoidal region.
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
He would so take the penalty just to whack at someone.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Eddie Belfour would have accidentally chopped off both his feet if that happened. While drinking on a Wednesday night.
I definitely wouldn’t want to be his backup…
If my nose was full of nickels I would blow it all on you.
A Belfour-GRBRZKR combo would be the most entertaining tandem in the league.
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by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
with hextall as the goalie coach
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
uh
We’ve got a milk-crate thrower and, well, this:
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I WILL GIVE YOU ONE BILLION DOLLARS
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
AWRIGHT
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Pull a Stalberg-esque preseason debut.
6 goals in 10 games or whatever it was, that should about do it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 25, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Burke has pretty much flat out said that he’s putting Kadri in the AHL and would be there for at least 20 games in order to prove that he belongs on the big club.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
if Kadri comes into preseason, puts up a PPG and .5 gpg, while throwing good hits, making good, smart plays at both ends of the ice and does not get tossed around like a 10lbs rag doll I think he makes the cut
I don’t see all of those happening though
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
At 20 he can be an overager for the Knights, but He’s AHL bound, probably be close to the top of the list for call ups.
no point in sending him to the Knights again. He is too good, he has already proven that he can dominate at that level and there is no point in letting him sit stagnant.
Sure it kinda blows that he burns a level of his ELC playing for the Marlies and not contributing to the Leafs, but I’d rather him develop properly
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that this year was gonna burn anyway? Though maybe not for the knights… huh.
yeah, if he is out of Jr, one year of his ELC goes bye bye no matter where he plays (NHL or AHL)
Just some people don’t want to see him lose a year of cheap cap hit playing for the Marlies when he could be playing in the bigs
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafs Fans
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
When do they announce the TV schedule? I need to decide if it’s worth paying for the extra channels up at school…
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
So today...
I managed to catch just a few minutes of hockey talk on the Fan590 today, and the hosts were talking about how far the Leafs will go this year, and in the immediate years to come. All of them basically concurred on one basic point; Brian Burke stunted the future potential of this team through the Kessel deal. They said there will be playoffs in Toronto in the coming years, and possibly even deep playoff runs. But they all said it won’t be possible to win a cup.
Now I know the Kessel dead horse has already been beaten into oblivion, but I never really thought of the trade as it was framed in this way. I’m curious to see what you people think about that assessment. I guess it all boils down to the same basic question we’ve been asking for almost 2 years now… “Can a fast rebuild work?”
But without getting into that type of lofty analysis, is this team’s potential already compromised, or not?
But without getting into that type of lofty analysis, is this team’s potential already compromised, or not?
Nah.
People have too much of a hard-on for drafting high for a number of years.
At the end of the day it’s just about putting the most competitive team on the ice, no matter how they got there.
Plus, once playoffs hit, anything can happen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 25, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said.
If Burke had made the Kessel trade and sat on his hands, I could see their point. However, we all know what kind of moves he has made, obviously we all don’t agree on their merit, but the point is that he IS re-building this team. Slow re-build is just a euphemism for suck ass and tank for years and then get lucky.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kessel were 26, 27, 28, I would totally agree with them. But he’s not. He’s twenty f’ing two. He IS the future potential of this team right now, and even better: there’s no question about whether or not he’ll make an impact in the league.
Some of the discussion elsewhere on this page is “Will Kadri make the club,” and “what impact will Kadri make in the NHL?” That’s a 7th overall pick we’re talking about, and there are still questions about whether or not he’ll develop into a 30+ goal scorer in the NHL. Now you (or rather, the Fan590) are telling me that you’d rather gamble with two kids than have what is effectively a sure thing (or at least, as close to a sure thing as exists in the NHL)? Not only that, but a guy who should be a 40 goal scorer?
Let me put it another way: Draft picks come easily. Future 40 goal scorers do not. The future of this team is Bozak, Kessel, Kadri, and Versteeg, all of whom will hit their physical prime 3+ years from now (when we’ll have really, really late first round draft picks back to restock the cupboards…I hope).
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I disagree with that analysis..
Mostly because there are other players in the prospect system that in 2-3 years could turn into consistently solid NHL players.
THN has our top 10 prospects listed as Kadri, Caputi, Ross, Sweatt (now gone), Reimer, Aulie, D’Amigo, McKegg, Mikus and Olden.
Of those forwards, almost all were at or near a point-per-game average, and Jesse Blacker who isn’t even on the top 10, is noted as almost NHL ready.
If anything, most of the teams potential hasn’t even stepped foot onto the ACC yet.
Also, the Fan590 hockey analysts are morons. No offence.
by happiergilmore on Aug 25, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
ALSO
http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=536378&navid=DL|TOR|home
interesting about marcel muller, the german.
by happiergilmore on Aug 25, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and no. Leafs got better immediately, no way of knowing that pick would net the #2 overall. Still, the Kessel deal has always struck me as one you make when your team is closer to competing.
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The Kessel deal is one you make when you want a young offensive star to build around and don’t think there’s one available in the upcoming draft.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
teams trading draft picks when they’ve missed the playoffs four straight seasons doesn’t make sense. it makes sense when you’re a perennial playoff team
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this
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indeed
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Or, you could think outside the box.
Difficult, I know.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
TANK FOAR SUCCESS IT’S THE ONLY WAY
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
JUST ASK COLUMBUS, ATLANTA and FLORIDA!
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget about the Islanders!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, teams retaining draft picks when they’ve missed the playoffs four straight seasons only makes sense if they’re spending all of those seasons in the lottery for picks. Everyone talks about the build-through-the-draft strategy of “four top two picks” penguins and “six top five picks Blackhawks,” but no one remembers that the Islanders, Thrashers, and Panthers have been trying the same strategy for years.
I really like this plan: look for young, strong looking prospects, and get your hands on as many as possible. Kessel, Versteeg, Bozak, Kadri – all attained in different ways (well, Kessel and Versteeg were very similar), but none of those are likely to be career AHL’ers. They’re scoring forwards you can build around. If we can get those kinds of players ANY way, I won’t be picky.
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Agreed, on the front end. Don’t forget the depth and talent on ‘D that came to the team via different avenues as well, whom the team can build around. And then there’s the improved goaltending (it HAS to be better!).
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by rover_from_under_crowsnest on Aug 25, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How I look at it
and you can call it Leafs-tinted glasses, but, the list of NHL players who’ve scored 30+goals under the age of 22 becoming available via trade can’t be very long.
the trade was never about the value of the picks, it was about the rarity of the scenario.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The list of NHL players who’ve scored 30+ goals under the age of 22 (since the lockout) is 33 players long. And I think that for almost anyone on there, if you’d gone to the GM and said “three picks!”, that GM would’ve laughed straight in your face.
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how many of those 33 have been made available for trade?
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of those players are there twice.
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A lot of them, actually.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
20 unique names. None of them besides Havlat, Horton, Kovalchuk, and Kessel have been traded.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Scratch Havlat off that list.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
adn of Horton, Kovy and Kessel
only Kessel was available at such a young age (not that Horton’s much older…)
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Horton is a perennial 30G, 30A player.
Kovy is a perennial 40G, 40A player with the ability to get 50G.
Kessel is a perennial 35G, 30A player with the ability to get 40G.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Distinction is
Horton is more physical and has the wherewithal to play better D than the other two. He also makes only $4 million a year, which is $1.4 less than Kessel, and probably a lot less than Kovalchuk.
Advantage – Horton.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Look..
In the NJ system Kovalchuk will likely score fewer but player better hockey. Do you that or the Atlanta Kovi with more goals? I want the 35-40 long playoff run player. Ghosts of Jimmy Carson….
unless your name is peter chiarelli
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He still has Bergeron.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
….for now!
dun dun dunnnn
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We need to trim this down and save it for future reference.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 25, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
done
Alex Ovechkin
Ilya Kovalchuk
Sidney Crosby
Steven Stamkos
Evgeni Malkin
Eric Staal
Rick Nash
Alexander Semin
Phil Kessel
Bobby Ryan
Anze Kopitar
Jonathan Toews
Nicklas Backstrom
Patrice Bergeron
Nathan Horton
Bryan Little
Zach Parise
Devin Setoguchi
Patrick Kane
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Oh man. I really wouldn’t trade two first rounders and a second for anyone on THAT list. Nope! It’d be sacrificing the future!
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Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
I feel confident I wouldn’t trade those picks for Horton, Setoguchi, Little, or Bergeron
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i agree
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If the player has a chance of matching the other names on that list, I’d make that trade. If your consequence for losing a trade is Setoguchi, you’re still doing damn well. Also, Bergeron’s injury-filled future was unpredictable.
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ya
the only guy I’d have serious questions about is Little.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I coveted Little in that draft.
I’m not sold on Setoguchi.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
me neither
but I’m not convinced Little isn’t a byproduct of his time with Kovy and Antro
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Little
didn’t have 30+ goals with Antropov… Antropov wasn’t on the team when he put up 31 two years ago.
He only had 13 goals this past year.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember, Setoguchi scored 30 playing with Thornton before Heatley showed up and pushed him down to the 2nd line.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
I like Seto, he’s a really gritty guy, but I dunno.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Setoguchi's first 3 years
195 games, 62 goals (0.318 gpg)
Kessel’s first 3 years
222 games, 66 goals (0.297 gpg)
It’s debatable whether or not Setoguchi’s linemates have been superior/inferior on the whole.
Last year Seto put up 20 goals playing mainly with Pavelski and Clowe… really not horrible for a 2nd line guy.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
7 Million
for Willie Mitchell TSN just reported.
Seto got the good year for Thorton who will be UFA in 2011. Could he get Kessel 50? He’s an Ontario boy nearing the last contract. Might not be a bad idea.
Pat Quinn?
I KNEW YOU WERE ON HERE
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe Thornton has the most points of any player this decade. Still do not want.
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really?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He’ll cost too much and be 32 years old.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
well yes, there is a limit to the “want” but to flat out say
“I don’t want joe thorton on the Leafs” is a bit cut and dried. for 7ish mill for under 5 years, I’d do it
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh maybe, I’m just thinking of what would have to go wrong for us to need Thornton and I hope it doesn’t happen, but yeah, never say never.
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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I would LOVE for there to not to be a need for a legit first line UFA expensive center next year, but in truth we right now don’t know what we have in our current pivots.
Grabbo’s ceiling is a 2nd liner, Bozak has shown flashes of 1st line ability but 37 games isnt a sample size i feel comfortable in making a career trajectory estimate on and Kadri…well Kadri is probably 3 years away of steady and earned development away from being a legit 1st line center in the NHL
but here’s hoping
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 26, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
sure
but even if, say, Bozak looks like just a #2 center and Kadri looks like he’s good to go in the NHL… I don’t think Thornton makes sense.
Grabbo’ll have to be gone and one of Bozak or Kadri would have to make it clear that they can’t be NHL top 1/2 centers for Thornton to make sense, to me. So the chance is there, but I think it’s slim.
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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
yah, this will need to be revisited next off season to be sure of what we need or where our players stand from a development standpoint.
I am in the small percentage, but I really am not worried at all about the leafs at center…Left wing however…
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 26, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
<3 you
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 26, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Patrice Bergeron
Nathan Horton
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Injuries for all?
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Horton’s giant mountain of a forehead will protect him. Bergeron…eh, not so much.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
cant wait to see horton go behind the leafs net with komi/phaneuf/schenn out there. The battles between TO. and BOS this year should be pretty rough
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
They certainly weren’t soft this past year.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i see no reason for it not to go up another notch. With a full season of phaneuf and a healthy komi with armstrong in the mix and kessel looking to exact some revenge….. hornton and seguin now on the other side….. should make for some good games
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do we let you in?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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chemmy forgets to lock the door sometimes i think….
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s alright, they will inevitably choke in the playoffs against a low-seeded team after a horrific injury or 7.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
by Ubiquitous on Aug 25, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Must really sting that the Sabres lost to the biggest playoff chokers in history, huh?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
BRETT HULL’S SKATE VS THE THREE OH COMEBACK
WHO WILL WIN?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Jay Miller vs. Ryan Miller!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to the Hurricanes, actually, but I never said the sabres were any better. (I mean, seriously, who the heck loses to OTTAWA in the playoffs!… Besides the Flyers…)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
Same goes for you too bub
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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He at least pretends to like the leafs most of the time.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s worse.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m better! Karina said so! neener neener!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
sucking up will get you nowhere
cash donations however…
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If you come down to Boston I’ll take you to a game.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Im pretty sure im going to boston in october for a leafs bruins game
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that’s great news. Thursday night drinking wooooo!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yup, the 28th me thinks
also staying a couple nights after to sight see…and get drunk
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The best news I’ve heard all day.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m bringing a whole passel of Leafs fans with me, should be good times
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, oh my. Any idea where you guys are sitting for the game?
I sit in 307
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont know if we have tickets yet, but ill keep you posted
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
rock.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 25, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Alexander Semin
Did not score 30 goals until he was 22 years of age. He shouldn’t be on this list. The lockout year was his 21 year old year.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t really have an issue with the values exchanged in the trade. It’s the timing that has bothered me. Can’t do anything about it now.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
the timing is my point. I think the rarity of a player like Kessel being made available is what dictates the value.
that’s just how I look at it though. not saying it’s right…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure burkey viewed it the same way. He didnt know if hed get a chance at a sure thing for the rest of his tenure in toronto and didnt want to pass up the opportunity
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If we have the opportunity to add a young scorer next September, and it will cost us two first and a second, would you do it? I’m on the fence.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
A young, proven 30 G scorer?
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
A young, proven 30 G scorer?
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
It’s just an example. If Boedker or someone similar scores 30, it would be fairly similar to Kessel. High pick, one year of 30+ goals.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I’d pass.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
what if it was… Jeff Carter?
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
But will Kaberle waive his NTC?
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was waiting for that
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
For 2 firsts and a 2nd?
No.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No. You seem to have a problem understanding what truly elite talent is.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
No.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
why? what makes Kessel with one year of 36 goals more of an elite talent than Filatov with one year of 30 (or more)?
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I think Filatov would be worth it, and agree that him scoring 30 in a season should put him up there.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Kessel
had a year of 36, to go along with a year of 19, and a year of 11 before that. Steady improvement, and no demotions or removal from the NHL.
Kessel also had a ridiculous 19 game point scoring streak. Filatov hasn’t really done anything at that level. He has 6 goals and no assists in 21 NHL games. That isn’t really a ringing endorsement for him to suddenly morph into a 30+ goal scorer in his 3rd year.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve, you are completely missing the point. This isn’t a prediction. It’s a hypothetical question. IF Filatov scored 36 goals this year, would he not be considered as talented a hockey player as Kessel?
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I’m not arguing the potential or probability that FIlatov scores 30 goals. FOr the sake of my question, assume Filatov scores 30+ goals this year, his first full season in the NHL. How does that not make him any less talented than Kessel?
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Okay
But he still comes up short in the character. He has some make up to do. No I’m going home to Russia.
I’m not inside the situation, but from what I understand, Filatov was given the option of the AHL or KHL, and chose russia. He’s also already back in Columbus for this season and committed to the new coaching staff
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
You're arguing "talent"
I’m talking experience… 222 games vs. a max possible of 103 games… and a distinction between 66 goals, and 36-46 is still pretty large to me.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
the fact he was sent out of the NHL by a team like Columbus really doesn’t speak highly to me of his “talent” level being high enough. Kessel wasn’t ever sent to the AHL or Europe mid season as a result of not producing enough to stay in the top 6 of a fringe-non-playoff team.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ken Hitchcock has been known to hold back offensive players to ensure they learn defense. He probably didn’t even want Filatov on the team the past two seasons.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
can't say I blame him
but Claude Julien isn’t exactly noted for being the most offensively oriented of coaches… see Boston’s defensive record for the past few years.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Jakub Voracek hasn’t had any problems staying on the team.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
he also didn’t jump straight to the NHL. His first season he only got 12 min per night.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
And he played in
80 freaking games… since when is playing 12 minutes a night in 80 NHL games “not making it directly to the NHL”???
He played ZERO games in the AHL or a pro league in Europe. He jumped directly from Halifax in the QMJHL to the Blue Jackets.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
but this statement makes absolutely no sense.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kessel hadn’t gone to a terrible Boston team in 2006, he probably wouldn’t have played at all at 18. If FIlatov had gone somewhere besides Columbus, he probably would be already playing. Whether or not Filatov has played 200 games matters little. If he comes out and lights the lamp, people aren’t going to care that it’s his first full season.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
It doesn't matter "little"
to me… it matters little to you… which is irrelevant to your question.
As for the terrible Boston team of 2006, this was a team that had Marc Savard, Patrice Bergeron, Glenn Murray, Marco Sturm, Brad Boyes, PJ Axelsson, Zdeno Chara, Denis Wideman, Andrew Ference, Aaron Ward, Wayne Primeau, Brad Stuart, Chuck Kobasew, and Brandon Bochenski.
They also had Tim Thomas in net for 66 games.
The main difference was coaching, I’m pretty weirded out that you think the 2006 Bruins were horrible from a player perspective, but then somehow the Columbus Blue Jackets of the past two seasons are superior.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
they finished dead last in the Northeast. even if they did have good players, they obviously didn’t do well enough to keep an 11 goal scoring rookie off the ice.
as for columbus, I never said they were superior. Obviously, FIlatov made the team that year so they blatantly had some holes
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
There were extenuating circumstances in Filatov’s case. If he comes out and scores 30 or 35 goals this season, you’d be hard pressed to find someone who doesn’t think he’s an extremely talent hockey player.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
What extenuating circumstances?
led to his demotion?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
in 39 AHL games in 2008-09 Filatov only scored 16 goals and 32 points… he wasn’t even a point per game player.
I’m not of the opinion that he’s as skilled as Kessel… whether or not he produces 30+ goals this year, and I don’t think he will for the record.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying he will score 30 goals. But if he does, first full season in NHL, top 6 pick, that makes him just as much of an elite hockey player as Kessel was last summer.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Hmm
no it doesn’t.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I repeat
222 games, 66 goals, 3 seasons of improving goal totals from 11 to 19 to 36.
This in comparison to 21 games so far, with 6 goals… over 2 seasons. With another 16 goals in the AHL in 39 games, and 9 goals in 26 KHL games with CSKA Moscow.
Even if he scores 30 in a full season in the NHL, that ISN’T equivalent as far as 3 year track runs go… sorry. They aren’t the same… at all.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Put it in other terms
Would you rather have a baseball player that hit 11, 19, and then 36 home runs in three consecutive full years of baseball?
or the guy that hit 4 homers, then 2 homers, bounced back and forth between the minors with brief stints in the majors, and then in his first full year hit 30 homers?
I’d say the first guy would be worth more on experience alone, and frankly his total number of home runs is greater… they aren’t the SAME freaking player.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh and
if I’m missing the point on your original question, why do you keep insisting that Filatov is equivalent and debating this side issue with me?
If the question was “would you take an equivalent player” for the same trade involving draft picks… at this point? Then my answer is yes. I would.
If you want me to agree that Nikita Filatov is equivalent to Kessel if he puts up a 30+ goal season next year… then no I won’t.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
You think games played is irrelevant?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Why just this instance?
why not every instance?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It's either a valid issue
or it isn’t… you can’t say it’s valid sometimes but not others…
well I guess you can say it… but it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ignore, for a moment, the probability that Filatov scores 30 goals. Assume, for the sake of the argument, that Filatov does score 30 or 35 goals. Here’s what I see: an extremely talented player who was a high draft, almost universally considered to be one of the top, if not the top, offensive player not in the NHL. Who, in my opinion, was not given a fair chance to succeed in the NHL in his first two seasons. If he comes and proves in his first true year that he can score 30, 35, goals, that puts him in the same class as Kessel. This isn’t a knock on Kessel. It’s a judgement of how FIlatov would be perceived should he reach those numbers
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
There is a proven correlation
between number of games played prior to a certain age and the plateau at which a player tops out from a point production perspective.
Players that play more games early on tend to have a higher level of play when they reach their peak.
This is likely due to the fact that superior players will play more games at an earlier age… which has a cumulative impact of improving their play over time by challenging themselves more.
The fact that Filatov has played far fewer NHL games than Kessel had by the same age indicates to me that he is not as skilled.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If FIlatov scores 30 goals, that means he joins that list posted above. I consider Kessel better than 4 players on that last. If Filatov scores 30, I feel the same way. That puts him in the same class as Kessel.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
That's a lot of
mental gymnastics just to make them equivalent… but you think what you want and I’ll think what I want.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The other two years?
and the more games played in the NHL by the same age – against stiffer competition?
I’d take Kessel’s 222 games played with 66 goals over Filatov’s 21 games and 6 goals. For Filatov to catch up in one year, he’d have to play at least 80 games, and score roughly 40 goals for me to consider him worth the same amount.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
part of the reason
NHL players break out in their 4th season typically is it takes a certain number of NHL games to reach full comfort level with the style of play around them.
4 seasons of roughly 70 games works out to about 280 games. Once a player reaches 280-300 games they’re approaching their top level of comfort in the NHL synced up with their ideal physical development.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
It’s not like Kessel is off and on 28 yr old. Filatov doesn’t even provide the stable going to play here label. Kessel is here and now. In the coming years we hope for complimetary players. The other way we may not know for 2-3 years.
phil…kessel?
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm feeling like
we’re trying to identify players similar to Kessel, and picking guys that are not really at Kessel’s level.
Boedker and Filatov are both offensively skilled, smaller players, but they’ve had a far reduced impact in comparison to Kessel at the same age.
The only players I see as similar coming up would be Jamie Benn, MIchael Frolik, Patrick Berglund, Kyle Okposo, Josh Bailey, Jakub Voracek, and maybe Brandon Sutter.
That isn’t a very long list.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a hypothetical example. I’m going to get into an argument over which player you pick. It doesn’t matter. If there’s a for top draft pick with a 30+ goal season available for trade next summer, would you be willing to move the three picks for him
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Of those players I just listed
I might do it for Benn, Frolik, Okposo, or Voracek. If any of those 4 put up a 35+ goal season then I’d consider it.
Plus, you keep saying 30+ goal season… when you should probably be saying 35+ goal season since Kessel scored 36 the year before the deal.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
I never missed the point… I was responding to other people’s comments regarding specific players.
I never bothered to answer your question prior to now, I was just adding information to the discussions around Filatov or Boedker vs. Kessel
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Boedker
would be in his 4th season, and have seasons of 11, 1, and 30+ goals respectively. He also spent most of his 2nd year in the AHL with San Antonio, and not playing with Phoenix. He took a step back, not sure it’s equivalent.
That’s not really comparable to Kessel having 11, 19, and then 36 goals in his first 3 years.
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by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If if if
That ‘s just it. Kessel has shown the skills and no reason to think he’ll not average 30 per year.
what’s his name, age, and how many goals has he scored?
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by blurr1974 on Aug 25, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
it would be a PR nightmare for burke if it wasnt a big time player… just sayin
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If the fans dictate your team’s actions, you deserve to be competing with the Panthers. To hell with PR nightmares, quite frankly.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
oh i know! (i knew id get roasted for that haha). I was…y’know…. just sayin’
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i think where the leafs really hurt their future cup chances were back in 2008 and 2009 when the ‘muskoka 5’ (i hate that term) wouldnt waive their NTC’s and Boyd Deveraux scored a hat trick the last game to move us out of the draft lottery. If we had of had a 1 or 2 pick then we’d have stamkos or doughty instead of trading more assets to move up and draft schenn.
Then the next year Burke signs Gerber instead of ‘tanking’ and we miss out on tavares/duchene and settle for Kadri.
If we had say…. Doughty and Tavares in the system and made the Kessel deal the following year a cup run in the near future would be much more realistic IMO. I dont think Seguin will be as much of an impact guy as any of Stamkos/Doughty/Tavares/Duchene, although I could be completley wrong….
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
"Settling"?
I don’ think it’s settling for Kadri. I’d rather have Kadri than Tavares, Kadri can move with the game better, and he isn’t afraid to get gritty in the corners. Tavares isn’t soft, but he definitely isn’t as good of a skater or plays with as much physicality as Kadri does.
by happiergilmore on Aug 25, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d take the kid who broke Gretzky’s OHL records any day.
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by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
didnt want to knock kadri like that, but yea, id take tavares 10/10
i like kadri dont get me wrong, but tavares is way better
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s a knock on Kadri. If we were holding a lottery pick there’s no way we pick Kadri. He got picked pretty much right where he was predicted to be picked.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Aug 25, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, thats all i was trying to say
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by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but it’s not like he’s a bad player and we should be mad we got stuck with him. He’ll do fine if not better.
by happiergilmore on Aug 25, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
that wasnt my point though. im just saying that we would be better off with a doughty/tavares combo than a schenn/kadri
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i know, but my point was we don’t have that, so lets move on with what we do have.
what we have isn’t bad.
by happiergilmore on Aug 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
no its not, but the fan590 guys were saying what we have now could get us a couple rounds deep in the playoffs but thats all. They said that the kessel deal is what will stop us from making a legit cup run, all im trying to point out is that (imo) the leafs could have done the dasterdly deed of tanking (which i was against at the time, and really, still am) and got themselves into a position to draft in the top 3 2 years in a row. But no one involved with the leafs even considered icing a terrible roster on purpose just to lose games. Its the wrong way to build a team and its the wrong way to go about establishing a new culture in toronto.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get how the Kessel deal cuts the Leafs off at a deep playoff run
I mean has Seguin, Knight or that 1st rounder proved more in the NHL playoffs than Kessel (who is a PPG player in the playoffs mind you)?
seems kinda a weird jump in logic to make
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what im saying.
it’s about proven assets nowadays. you never know what could happen.
by happiergilmore on Aug 25, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
me neither, i agree. i was kind of trying to throw out a different reason as to why our cup chances may be limited over the next few years. I remember thinking at the time that i didnt want to tank…. but I really wanted the elite talent that comes with a 1-2 pick… the leafs made their decision to not tank, and i stand by it. I love kessel, Ill stand by that deal until either I die… or Seguin carries boston to multiple cups and wins a conne smythe and hart along the way…..
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
well thats the thing, why does it matter that the Leafs traded the pick away for Seguin?
what if by some chance the Leafs had made the playoffs and say, lost in the 2nd round and picked say 14th over all, and the Bruins got Jayden Schwartz, who then became amazing and lead the Bruins to multiple cups with a con smythe and hart along the way?
does the fact that the pick was 2nd over all rather than 14th or even 29th over all matter in the slightest if the player becomes amazing?
Not really because the Leafs still traded it and got a young scoring stud that made them better now and in the future
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
good point, it doesnt really matter. it would just be annoying to hear about really… but hell, i dont think my skin is going to get any thicker.
we could have traded a 5th round pick and the guy ends up being another pavel datsyuk. Phil Kessel kicks ass, and im glad we have him. cant wait for the snipe show to begin
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. As expressed by posters more stat-savvy than myself, the draft is a crapshoot. The higher the pick, the better chance of getting a star player, but that isn’t to say that it’s guaranteed. Just as it isn’t guaranteed that team’s won’t get star players in the later rounds…
"Put the kids in with a few old pappy guys who still like to win and the combination is unbeatable."
Conn Smythe
by rover_from_under_crowsnest on Aug 25, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
if ive read a few posts over the past months correctly, im of the mind that the draft is entering a bit of a downturn in terms of generational talent as well. The chances of Ovechkins, Crosbys, Kanes and Stamkos’ materializing every single year in the draft is pretty small. There is bound to be a couple seasons of just good to very good players taken at the top of the draft, not just super sick elite talent every year
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Some years your number 5 pick is Phil Kessel. Other years it’s Raffi Torres.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
right, which gives strength to the idea of acquiring proven talent like kessel for unkowns.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Chad Kilger – 5th over all
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wade belak 12th overall
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Name ...
the full 1st round and how many are in the NHL as good picks. The nwe can talk value. Some guys are practice players, some excel at their current level. Maybe we hope for the Jays approach: pick or trade for “high ceiling players”.
To be fair
scouting is getting better….
The number of Chad Kilgers and Wade Belak being taken in the first round is dropping pretty steadily.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
but generally
I agree that the draft is a huge crap shoot. Having 1st round picks just makes the shooting likely to be more accurate.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that’s Jerry D’Amigo you’re talking about.
by happiergilmore on Aug 25, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
:)
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is that the team-building job is not yet finished. If what we have now could get us a couple rounds deep, that’s a pretty solid start.
Leaf, the universe and everything.
Now in year 44 of the 42-year saga.
totally, if anyone thinks burke is done they have no business even discussing this. By this time next year i would not be surprised at all to see burke acquire at LEAST 1 more high calibre player and another guy for the 2nd line.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Kadri
is more likely to play the full ice and make players better around him. Tavares for Kessel is more talent for talent of a similar type. We need pucks in the net adn Kessel should provide.
Me thinks Brayden Schenn will become best player from that draft year.
Followed by MSP, OEL, and Tavares.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
bold prediction, i like it
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Brayden Schenn?
That’s going out on a huge limb based on MSP’s level of play.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And...
He’ll be playing where for how long? Good luck with that? I’ll take Kadri: better alround player. Tavares is strictly a goal scorer with average skating. Tavares or Kessel? And remember a lot of you wouldn’t give up those picks for Kessel.
Right now, I would take Tavares, but you can’t really compare the two.
One has played all of 1 regular season game and the other played a full NHL season.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 25, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ummm, yeah, I like Kadri and think he will be a damned fine NHL player, but I’d take Tavares, headman or deuchene 8 days a week
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
12th
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 25, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But...
Oh well somer people think he’s a younger better Pronger. Want to see some thing interesting… check out the Score and their predicted free agent s for2011.
*sigh* Tyler Myers.
I actually really wanted them to draft Myers before Schenn. Far wider skill set.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew
I was spelling it incorrectly, that’s why I asked. I’m not giving up on Schenn but Myers is ahead and will likely stay ahead.
2008-2009
Deveraux and Gerber were the same year. Deveraux’s hat-trick was Gerber’s last game. So we got Kadri. I’m okay with that. Kadri’s gonna be dynamite.
You can blame our draft position and giving up assets to get Schenn on the muskoka 5 and Cliff Fletcher. I’m also a-okay with OLAS.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
oh… my bad. Thought it was 08 when we fell from 5th to 7th with the hat trick and traded up to draft schenn.
I know it was fletcher who drafted schenn and couldnt get the muskoka 5 to waive. im not going to complain about either schenn or kadri really, I just think that missing out on a top 3 pick in 08-09 hurts our chances of a cup run in the near future than trading for kessel. All of this was in regards to the fan590 comments.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking back at 2008, I’d put Schenn on par with Pietrangelo and Bogosian. The only gems to be had there were Doughty and Stamkos, but TBL won the lottery so it would’ve been for moot.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
doughty would have been nice, but yea i dont want to continue the trend of beating dead horses today.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope I didn’t sound snarky. I haven’t eaten or slept much since Sunday, but I remembered that GRBRZRKR was in net for Deveraux’s hat-trick ’cause it was against the Snes.
It was a strange night of mixed emotions that`s for sure, but I think we`re all gonna be pretty happy with Nazim.
by general borschevsky on Aug 25, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
no snarkyness taken haha.
Im stoked to see all our young guns over the next few years, I think those fan590 guys are out to lunch generally anyways. How the hell do they know that kessel, schenn and kadri cant take us to the promised land
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to talk about the future too much when so much can change. They’ll probably be right but only because winning one Cup is so hard. Whether it’s because of the Kessel deal or for a million other reasons is hard to say but that doesn’t make good radio.
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no kiddin’
the leafs have made so many mistakes over the years that as a whole would contribute to not winning a cup soon…. but its just easier to pin it all on the kessel deal
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 25, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The fan590 set of talking heads
are sort of out of it sometimes.
Here’s why they are wrong. Adding Tyler Seguin and whoever comes in next year would not make the Leafs an impact Stanley Cup contender in the immediate future… it would in fact likely take 3-5 years before Seguin and whoever they would get next season were contributing at the same level of a Patrick Kane or Jonathan Toews or Steven Stamkos did in recent years, and there’s absolutely NO guarantee that the players the Leafs drafted would turn into any of those guys.
Kane, Toews, and Stamkos also had a ridiculously good supporting cast of forwards (Hossa, Keith, Sharp, Havlat in Chicago, St. Louis, Lecavalier in Tampa Bay)… where pray tell would the Leafs get the equivalent players in the next 2 or 3 years?
Washington got Ovechkin and Backstrom to go with Green and Laich and Gordon and Varlamov etc. They haven’t won a Cup (or made the finals) yet. And they got all those guys by sucking for AGES. Pittsburgh similarly drafted the likes of Fleury, Crosby, Malkin, Orpik, and Staal by sucking for a long time… and it didn’t hurt that they brought in the likes of Gonchar, Fedotenko, Guerin, Kunitz, etc. to help get them to the Cup.
No Leafs assessment from the talking heads that bashes the Kessel deal as “hamstringing” the Leafs makes any sense, because the Leafs are neither further ahead by waiting on draft picks nor further behind by adding a 40+ goal scorer who is 22 years of age. It just doesn’t make logical sense.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafs' awesomeness
I dug out my copy of "Toronto Maple Leafs: 10 Great Leafs & Their Most Memorable Games" DVD set and watched the first game: Bobby Baun – Game 6 Stanley Cup Final at Detroit on April 23, 1964. Interesting to hear the comments about Baun, things like “one of the hardest hitters in the league” and “when he’s on his game with those heavy hits, he keeps the opposition forwards honest…” The parallels to a certain new captain for our Maple Leafs were interesting. I also noted the fluidity of the game was much smoother and faster than I expected – not as much clutching and grabbing as what I grew up with in the 80s/90s. The ‘87 Canada Cup was crazy for the horse-tackling (watched it recently, talent was through the roof but the non-calls were ridiculous!).
But if nothing else, it’s an opportunity to watch guys like Baun, Kelly, Armstrong, Keon, Mahovlich, Horton, and Bower (only to name a few). Oh, and that #9 on the Red Wings wasn’t bad either. Warning: don’t expect replays with multiple camera angles of the goals. But do expect some good old-time hockey… at least until training camp starts.
"Put the kids in with a few old pappy guys who still like to win and the combination is unbeatable."
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by rover_from_under_crowsnest on Aug 25, 2010 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
Down here on the Filatov vs. Kessel thing
No but the factors you consider when comparing two players you’re saying are equivalent should be across the board should they not? Why would you pick and choose which factors to include like that – unless you’re cherry picking to convince yourself you’re correct.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
reposted
Ignore, for a moment, the probability that Filatov scores 30 goals. Assume, for the sake of the argument, that Filatov does score 30 or 35 goals. Here’s what I see: an extremely talented player who was a high draft, almost universally considered to be one of the top, if not the top, offensive player not in the NHL. Who, in my opinion, was not given a fair chance to succeed in the NHL in his first two seasons. If he comes and proves in his first true year that he can score 30, 35, goals, that puts him in the same class as Kessel. This isn’t a knock on Kessel. It’s a judgement of how FIlatov would be perceived should he reach those numbers
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Ok
I can see where you’re coming from with that statement, but I don’t personally think he’s an equivalent player. I can see some of the justification on the basis you’re using, but it doesn’t make complete sense to me on the basis of his production even in the lower leagues when he wasn’t in the NHL.
Why not come at it from the opposite direction. Here’s that list again… along with the number of seasons and number of games played in the NHL PRIOR to breaking the 30 goal plateau.
Alex Ovechkin (0 seasons, 0 gp)
Ilya Kovalchuk (1 season, 65 gp)
Sidney Crosby (0 seasons, 0 gp)
Steven Stamkos (1 season, 79 gp)
Evgeni Malkin (0 season, 0 gp)
Eric Staal (1 season, 81 gp)
Rick Nash (1 season, 74 gp)
Alexander Semin – was 22 in his breakout 30 goal year – (1 season, 52 gp)
Phil Kessel (2 seasons, 152 gp)
Bobby Ryan (1 season, 23 gp)
Anze Kopitar (1 season, 72 gp)
Jonathan Toews (1 season, 64 gp)
Nicklas Backstrom – also 22 when he broke the 30 goal plateau – (2 seasons, 164 gp)
Patrice Bergeron (1 season, 71 gp)
Nathan Horton (2 seasons, 126 gp)
Bryan Little (1 season, 48 gp)
Zach Parise – also 22 years of age when he broke the 30 goal plateau – (1 season, 81 gp)
Devin Setoguchi (1 season, 44 gp)
Patrick Kane (2 seasons, 162 gp)
From a goal scoring perspective, I’d say Kessel is superior only to Kane, Setoguchi, Little, and probably Bergeron, Backstrom, and MAYBE Semin.
Backstrom plays with Semin and Ovechkin which makes his life easier from a checking perspective. Semin plays with Ovechkin and Backstrom… so same difference. Bergeron’s concussions have knocked him back quite a bit. Kane is a play maker not a goal scorer. Setoguchi and Little benefitted from superior linemates.
Either way… I’d say Filatov is now sitting at 2 seasons and 21 games… if he breaks out for 30+ goals, He’s an anomaly on this list with so few games in his first 2 years, but I suppose he still makes the cut… I just don’t think it’s likely.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
He’d also be younger than almost everyone on this list. Won’t be 21 until May 2011.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
ok well
after all of this… no I wouldn’t make the trade for Filatov even if he breaks out for 30 goals this year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 25, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Nazem Kadri
time frame for his development is a concern.
If people are predicting he’ll be a “legit #1 centre” down the line (i.e. in 2 or 3 years) then that kind of has to happen sooner rather than later.
Since the lockout, there have only been 23 centers in the NHL to produce over 0.75 points per game in their 3rd or 4th NHL season and played over 50 games. Here’s the list:
Crosby
Malkin
E. Staal
Backstrom
Spezza
Datsyuk
Getzlaf
Carter
Kopitar
Roy
Cammalleri
Richards
Stastny
Krejci
Bergeron
Stoll
Toews
M. Koivu
Zajac
Boyes
Horton
Kessel
Pavelski
virtually NONE of those players produced below 0.40 points per game as a rookie (except for Koivu, and Stoll). The vast majority of the ones that are STILL top end Centres produced 0.50 ppg as a rookie or better.
That means if Kadri plays 60 games this year, he needs to produce between 24 and 30 points (or better). If he plays a full 82 games, then he really does need to step up with a 32-45 point season… minimum.
I’m not sure what people are penciling him in for points-wise, but anything under 30 if he plays a full season, is not a good thing if we have high hopes for him down the line. Just pointing this out.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
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