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Blogs, Credentials and Media

Paul Hendrick and LeafsTV always gets the first question in the scrums. I wonder how the other media feel about that.

For those of you who have had enough of the blogs v. mainstream media discussions, I apologize in advance for yet another 500 words on a topic that's worn more than a little thin.

For those of you interested in media relations and the inner-workings of media access and credentialing, Greg Wyshynski has put up a must read post, that reveals, among other things, that certain NHL teams want to control who has access to their locker room when they're on the road. 

I can't say I blame them. 

I also wouldn't be surprised if NHL media relations departments aren't alone in pushing for restricted access. I suspect there are some reporters out there who don't exactly relish the thought of more competition for quotes, for access, for scoops, and - heaven forbid - for insight and analysis.

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Having worked in public affairs for 15+ years, often very closely with the media, I thought I'd offer some insight from the other side of the desk: what it's like to deal with the media from an organizational standpoint.

What's "Credentialing?"

There are policies for credentials all over the net and they're pretty much all the same.

Depending on the organization, or the news event, the standard credentialing process is usually just asking for a business card. If you're with a major media outlet, you're in.

More formal credentialing processes are often associated with covering federal and/or provincial legislatures, law enforcement agencies or for events where there is a great deal of media interest and limited space, such as a professional sporting event.

Why Issue Credentials?

By requiring credentials, organizations can screen and select the media that are invited to cover a news event or get access to a company spokesperson.

In return for credentials/access, journalists are often asked to observe the rules of the event and/or the organization – e.g. certain topics may be off-limits (SEC investigations are always a good place to start); there may be limited time for the interview; if it's a news conference questions should be held until the end or for scrums and one-on-one interview opportunities.

The Brouhaha About Bloggers

The news that some NHL teams wants to restrict access to bloggers shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that follows hockey.

Yes, the NHL has been at the forefront of utilizing social media to promote the game. Many NHL teams, especially those in markets that don't generate traditional media coverage, have done a great job of extending their reach through bloggers. Even the mighty Toronto Maple Leafs have been inviting bloggers to spend a night in the press box.

But the NHL has consistently missed the point that many fans want, and many blogs deliver, a level of insight that the media and NHL teams can’t or won't match - whether it's advanced statistics, legal insight or humour (and in many cases all three).  

The NHL appears not to understand that a growing number of fans who want quality content and interesting information are savvy enough to know good sites from bad and don't care if the site is run by a monolithic corporation or a guy procrastinating during his day-job.

But the NHL, their teams and the media's consistent misreading of the market doesn't change the basic dynamic of media relations:  teams have every right to determine who has access to their spokespeople.

If I was in charge of media relations for an NHL team, I'd certainly want to know who was coming in the dressing room, how they were pre-screened, and to limit access as I saw fit.

Other than a free invite to a game, I can’t see any value in bloggers seeking formal credentials from NHL clubs. I also don't see any reason for Canadian NHL teams to even offer them.

The Value of Access?

I presume that I'm like most readers here and get 95% of my Leafs info distilled from the beautifully named Barilkosphere - none of whom have access to the ACC or the Leafs dressing room. 

I could be wrong, but I don't feel like I'm missing any angles or stories by not having one of my peers attend the morning skate or the post-game scrums. I'd love to know if anyone longs for their favourite blog to have first-person access to the banality associated with post-game reports and quotidian player interviews? I don't suspect there's an appetite out there to read blogs entries with post-game quotes about 110% and "one game at a time." 

The real value of blogs, and what makes many of them must-read in an era of decreasing media relevancy, is two fold:

  1. Agglomeration - blogs, like the wonderful space that is PPP, provide a range of benefits to readers by efficiently amassing and clustering information about their favourite team or sport that's complemented by an informed commentariat
  2. The ability to provide in-depth analysis and expertise, often associated with professional training (e.g. law, statistics) that's not found in traditional media

I don't think a blogger being able to speak  to Tyler Bozak after a Tuesday night Leaf game against some Southeast Division foe adds any value to the above points.

And I don't think, by and large, fans will miss out by having NHL teams review who gets access to their players, coaches and executives when they're on the road.

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a guy procrastinating during his day-job

This was clearly defined as being off limits on your credential application mf37.

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by Chemmy on Aug 26, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

+1. Well said.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Aug 26, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, man. How much would the Sun pilfer if this site got credentialed, and got Tomas Kaberle saying “we have to play as a team” in Czech after a game?

Yep. “Access” is overrated. It’s used to speak to people who rarely have either the ability or motivation to say anything interesting. I question the wisdom of NHL teams shutting out so many quality outlets on an increasingly superficial basis like “blog vs. paper,” but as a reader of both, I sure don’t miss it on this side.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t agree with restricting access for the sake of restricting access, but I have no issue with organizations determining who gets to speak to their employees on the public record.

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by mf37 on Aug 26, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nor do I. I don’t think anyone has said they shouldn’t be able to. I just think the criteria some of them are using are bizarre.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it you’re referring to the mandatory pants rule?

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by mf37 on Aug 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damned oppressive old media luddites.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, yes.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they’re going to be that strict about pants, I wish they’d do something about Shoalts’ shirts.

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by mf37 on Aug 26, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for extreme truthing.

Glory glory Man United, AND the other MU, AAAAnd the Leafs. I think I need a drink now.

by Wan Ihite on Aug 26, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% agree.

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by jrwendelman on Aug 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Locker room access I see no need for. But I would like for blogs to have access to GMs, or at least someone organizationally. For instance, how many times did we discuss the whole “I’ll waive any vets who don’t perform” thing here? How many times did the media? Now there are some avenues through traditional media for getting these questions answered at times – I’ve often asked Mirtle certain questions, and sometimes all he says is “Burke/Wilson would never answer that” but every little bit helps. But Mirtle, Ambrogio, they are few in number and the fans asking them quesitons are growing. So when I think about bloggers getting “credentials” I think about the possibilities of having questions that are concerning the fans answered easier.
Being in the locker room post-game doesn’t help with that, though.

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

PPP did have that sweet interview with the mighty quinn

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 26, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’re more about having informal interviews in bars over copious amounts of drinks. (I’d have linked that last sentence to the Alyn McCauley piece, but PPP is a lazy bum.)

When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.

by SkinnyFish on Aug 26, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHERE IS THE CUP GUY INTERVIEW?

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 26, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was no interview. Just a picture with me and PPP and him confusing a couple kissing in the corner for two lesbians.

When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.

by SkinnyFish on Aug 26, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD AN INTERVIEW, WHAT KIND OF REPORTER ARE YOU?

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 26, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bloggers Toronto Sports Media and Norman James have both interviewed Burke. MLHS has routinely gotten interviews with the Leafs scouting department, so I certainly think that level of access is possible.

Getting into a locker room is what the NHL and a few teams are concerned about, which is odd as that type of access doesn’t seem to yield anything of interest.

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by mf37 on Aug 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you’re a reporter and photographer in Cincinnati who got Tim Tebow’s autograph

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Aug 26, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don’t see why they need to be concerned about locker room access.
I guess what I’m looking for is more immediate access. For instance, I asked Mirtle about a question and he said he’d call Burke and get back to me.
I’d like blogs to be able to do that too.

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG. Luke Schenn (OLAS) just looked @ me! Preggerz!!!1

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Aug 26, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The blogger in me wants that too.

The communications professional in me would dread having to field calls from the media and from countless bloggers.

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by mf37 on Aug 26, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can get why the distinction sticks in huge media hubs like Toronto or New York. Even a bigger blog doesn’t offer near the eyeballs of the traditional press here. I’m very curious how many credentials requests the Edmonton Oilers are drowning in that they feel the need to draw a line in the sand.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Oilers have a lot of bloggers.

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

They've also

had some bad experiences.
Check out Covered in Oil, the site’s still up even though it hasn’t been updated since their own conflict with the Oilers brass over media credentials.

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you been to Edmonton in winter? They all just want to get inside.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Aug 26, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Conversely, the blogger’s natural environment is the basement so they naturally gravitate toward Edmonton.

PPP ain't nothin to cuss with
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway

by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 26, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I’m so glad there’s a team worse than us we can shit on.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yea, it soothes the pain.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 26, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’d think they’d maybe like a way to be able to be able to talk separately to the mass fans, and the super-high involvement fans. Y’know, like segmenting markets being a useful tool for thoughtful pratitioners… but what would I know.

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by Wan Ihite on Aug 26, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think, and this is just a guess, that many teams believe their websites talk separately to the mass/super-high involvement fans. The Leafs have full-time writers, message boards and multimedia content that’s targeted directly at this audience.

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by mf37 on Aug 26, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious how many of the people who come to this site spend any time at mapleleafs.com on a regular basis. I visit that site maybe once or twice a year.

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by jrwendelman on Aug 27, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I miss a game, I really like their “Game in 6” feature. I also LOVE watching the unedited videos of post-game scrums and newsers.

That’s it for me though, I haven’t found anything else of merit on there.

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by mf37 on Aug 27, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, wonder what their traffic numbers are like compared to here (once you take out people dropping by to watch a video or two and leave).

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by Wan Ihite on Aug 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’d venture to bet that people spend more time per visit here, but that page views and visitors on mapleleafs.com are much higher what ppp does.

No facts here, just my thought.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Aug 27, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. Time per visit might be higher here but even then I’d be a bit surprised. But traffic? I think the weight of casual fans must crush it.

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by PPP on Aug 27, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll just start refreshing each page before every comment I make

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 27, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

SBN servers break enough as it is.

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by Karina on Aug 27, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what, I totally forgot about the post-game scrum footage. I have gone there to watch that more than a few times too.

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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog

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by jrwendelman on Aug 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I always watch the Game in 6 especially if they win. I remember during undergrad when the Leafs won on a Saturday Night we’d put on CBC after coming back from the bar as they were replaying the game and watch it.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 27, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The game in six thing is a league deal (as is pretty much every team site)…the Rangers wanted to go their own way and got shut down hard.

It’s a nice feature, but it’s not like the Leafs are doing anything notable online.

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by torleafsfan29 on Aug 27, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

no it’s not a league deal.

the leafs cut those highlights on their own, all other game highlights are automatically generated.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Aug 27, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The game in six is actually unique.

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by PPP on Aug 27, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Game in Six and the pressers I watch religiously and surprisingly the Gin6 is unique to the Leafs.

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by PPP on Aug 27, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well what do you know.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 27, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can subscribe to the Gin6 in iTunes but they never update it.

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by Karina on Aug 27, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Draftcentral ’89 – With 3 first round picks, is this the rebuild year Leaf fans have been waiting for?”

by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 27, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

It does seem complicated logistically. Especially with the sheer number of Leafs fans who would be calling themselves bloggers so that they could contact Burke and tell him he’s a jerk.

"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky

by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t say much on this subject, but needless to say that the people from the league it involves sit close to me and there is quite the debate going on regarding this topic at this very moment.

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Aug 26, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

BUG IN YOUR OFFICE

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

= FIRED OHSHRIT

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Aug 26, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

DON’T GET CAUGHT, DUH.

If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.

by Bower Power on Aug 26, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

get one

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 26, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drink anytime someone says basement.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 26, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would love to be a fly on the wall.

FWIW, a number of my clients now ask if there are any bloggers/social media types that should be invited to or involved in media briefings. After much review and debate, the answer is usually “no” there just aren’t that many quality Canadian blogs once you get away from niches like sports.

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by mf37 on Aug 26, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure exactly what segments you are talking about, but maybe giving such blogs access would affect their quality. You make a good point that for sports blogs, going in the dressing room is not really necessary, but maybe for something else, I don’t know, fashion maybe, or music, giving bloggers access would be helpful. It’s a chicken-egg scenario, maybe?

Also, I wonder if, put in dressing room situations, bloggers, or anyone who is not part of the usual gang, might ask a question or two that might get a better response than “110%” or whatever…

by Leaf in Habland on Aug 26, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this instance it’s often regional development / urban re-use issues.

As for asking a better question, athletes are taught to offer non-responses. They’ve been media trained year-in year-out to avoid contentious issues – and it shows.

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by mf37 on Aug 26, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll have to get you into a very off the record, undocumented bar conversation some time.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh, did you just ask shrit out on a date?

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by birky on Aug 26, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

PU: “No, ohshrit. If it’s off the record, it isn’t gay.”

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Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.

by Bower Power on Aug 26, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The things I’ll do for access.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like buy rohypnol?

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by Bower Power on Aug 26, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s having lunch with Fergie sometime soon…

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

popular guy

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

by birky on Aug 26, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?

by ohshrit on Aug 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if we get her to wear a wire, we can hear confirmation that Gary Bettman recites demonic incantations at the office?

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Casually mention that you don’t see the big deal and that you read a lot of great draft coverage over the last two years on credentialed blogs.

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by PPP on Aug 26, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

BOZAK

This is my signature.

by blurr1974 on Aug 26, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Very good write up.

Maybe there should be a team rep – someone in PR – who could be a main contact for blogs that have been somewhat ‘vetted’ (not talking about invasion of privacy – just reviewing past articles for relevance, balance, insight etc)

This person could then be a go-between to set up interviews etc. It doesn’t have to be a stand-alone position, but it would be nice if bloggers had a contact who could make things happen.

MSM can keep their smelly, cliched-filled dressing rooms.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 26, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

that's not a bad idea

and I think, if a blogger had been credentialed, that although they may not get gameday/locker room access, as mf has abundantly made clear, those aren’t really the angles we as fans are clamoring or are starved for.

i could see most pro-sports going that way, if they’re adamant about controlling the voices coming from their team. Allowing a blogger to contact the team and saying they’d like to ask the GM, coach, or even a player some questions, and here they are. if the GM/coach/player doesn’t wish to respond, then it’s the same as a paper writing “the team had no comment at press time”.

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by blurr1974 on Aug 26, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think some sort of team-to-social-media liason would be a great position for NHL teams to have. Look, if we’re trying to talk to the Leafs about their use of advanced stats (for example), it’s just not a question Brian Burke needs (or wants) to spend his time on. But maybe you send an e-mail to the team’s Social Media Liason, they talk to one of the scouts or the back room analysts… Yes, in part, a glorified receptionist, but…a really glorified one.

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Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.

by Bower Power on Aug 26, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

or

maybe it is something Burke wants to address. Maybe it’s something he’s actually quite interested in. Maybe it’s something he and Wilson and the scouting and coaching staff talk about often. given the canned nature of sports journalism questions, maybe they’d love to talk CORSI and GVT…?

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by blurr1974 on Aug 26, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I’m sure Wilson would rather answer more questions about why the team can’t kill penalties.

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. Maybe they would – but I think we’d see a higher response rate if their were someone who knew that answer ahead of time, is all I’m saying.

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by Bower Power on Aug 26, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think some sort of team-to-social-media liason would be a great position for NHL teams to have.

Don’t the Leafs have that? There’s an official team Twitter feed we can technically contact, there’s their own social network, with a very visible host.

I don’t think the problem is that they haven’t had these ideas. It’s that they can’t or won’t execute them well. They seem much more interested in having people go “wow, look at all this stuff for the fans” than engaging any kind of inquiry.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES

Haha yes the Leafs’ twitter feed is terrible.
But it’d be nice if reputable bloggers like PPP and Chemmy had something even more direct. Twitter’s great but it’s not really professional.

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

reputable bloggers like … Chemmy

lol

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by Chemmy on Aug 26, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I giggled as I wrote it, too.

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

shhh, you are going to spoil the illusion!

Oh wait, I remember Montreal 2009.

Carry on.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 26, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Twitter is rough, because for every @mlse, there’s 3 or 4 @Sens_Suck s… the point of a more official setup would be to streamline the whole process.

If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.

by Bower Power on Aug 26, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

@MapleLeafs is an official setup. Whoever operates it can restrict who can send it direct messages.

What I’m not sure of is if its general uselessness is a sign that they haven’t figured it out, or that they don’t want to go that direction.

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by puckurgently on Aug 26, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

the PR guy who runs it is also on twitter, we should ask him. Let me look up his account.

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here he is.

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by Karina on Aug 26, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’m fairly confident that it’s the former and not the latter.

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by blurr1974 on Aug 26, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

MF37’s piece in the Maple Leafs Annual looks at the subject. It’s pretty good and he interviews Jonathan Sinden who does the Leafs’ Social Media.

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by PPP on Aug 26, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

the position, in it’s current form is simply to give the random fan some official contact (tenuous though it may be) to someone who is a visible outlet.

I was thinking something more formal – someone who will be allowed access to talk to members of the management team.

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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 26, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A friend of mine has applied for such a position with the Habs. For now she’s a runner for HNIC, so she has “access” but not as a blogger. Apparently the Habs are pretty good for giving access though.

by Leaf in Habland on Aug 26, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love the picture caption mf

mainly because, if I were following henny in a media scrum, i’d feel confident knowing there’s no way I could sound as dumb as that guy.

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by blurr1974 on Aug 26, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

it would be really ha

You may be taking Jared a little too seriously

by JaredFromLondon on Aug 26, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

really hard to sound as dumb as him
-Henny

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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 26, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Top 5 memories of the draft was Hendrick asking Jerry D’Amigo about playing with Ken Ryan and D’Amigo having no clue who he was talking about until he said “Kenny Ryan”

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by PPP on Aug 26, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personal bias aside, I can see where the clubs in favour of restricting access to dressing rooms are coming from. Bloggers, particularly anonymous ones, don’t have to necessarily be accountable. Almost all would be happy to be there and walk on their toes accordingly but you can see the risk on the part of said clubs in allowing bloggers to brush shoulders with the players when they don’t answer to anybody and would actually probably benefit in terms of readership if they reported something of a highly controversial nature.

But ultimately bitter leaf is right, the readers didn’t come to us in the first place to see how Phil Kessel thought the boys played tonight, although you can’t help but wonder if we did get that type of access, any remaining use for the MSM might be all but eliminated… aka Barilkosphere world domination

But really it’s Eklund’s fault.

by AlecB on Aug 26, 2010 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Good take, but...

…lemme add a few things here.

1. This issue at hand is that a right (or privilege, if you must) is being taken away from bloggers that already have it as part of their credentialing for events. This isn’t an issue with the Leafs, because they don’t credential many bloggers (or any). But for a blogger in Tampa Bay, for example, they’re losing some of the access they’ve had for the last few seasons. They’re being treated as second-class citizens, despite their own teams credentialing them.

2. The arguments that “nothing comes out of locker room access” or that “blogs without access are better” miss the larger point, which is that some bloggers wish to gain that level of access because they think it’ll enhance their coverage for their audience. Most blogs don’t seek it, and some blogs that have it suffer from it because they change their tone to appease the gatekeepers. But bloggers should still have the opportunity to act as working media should they choose to, with the same access as traditional media. Even if they end up with banality.

You talk about the unique abilities and aspects of blogs, and you’re right: They bring a viewpoint that’s more entertaining and insightful than MSM most of the time. Which is why I like to see those minds at work at the arena and in the locker rooms, finding information through observation or interviews that the papers miss.

by Wyshynski on Aug 27, 2010 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the comments Greg.

1. If Tampa Bay wants to credential bloggers that’s great, but were I an MR guy for an NHL team I wouldn’t support automatic access to my coaches, players and execs when I was in TB. I believe organizations have the right to restrict/control access to spokespersons.

2. If bloggers really believe that they need access, they should make a compelling case to the MR office of their NHL club. They might not get it, but they can ask. Media make requests all the time to speak with senior execs, tour facilities or access archives – requests that are routinely turned down.

3. Several NHL clubs have granted bloggers full access, would love to know what, if anything, of note has come out of locker room that papers have missed.

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by mf37 on Aug 27, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Washington, for many years (its vaguely referenced in the article) had precisely one beat reporter from the MSM. That’s why they brought in bloggers. As they are ‘cool’ now, they have more, but they still can’t get on sports updates unless Ovechkin has a hat trick. It’d be funnier if I was kidding, but I’m not.

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by Ubiquitous on Aug 27, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

As noted in the original:

Many NHL teams, especially those in markets that don’t generate traditional media coverage, have done a great job of extending their reach through bloggers.

I can’t wait to see the game highlights that the bloggers with access get on ESPN.

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by mf37 on Aug 27, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as

I get my daily fix of Leaf news, I dont give a shit who or what media it is. I come to this board because it tends to break less obscure news stories. The humour and advanced stats you can keep, just keep dishing the dirt and I will be back

by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 27, 2010 2:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

…. I’ll keep taking the humour and advanced stats please (the few that I can understand)

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 27, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

The dashboard we have helps us see what posts are the most interesting and by far lately it’s been the Kaberle translation and the Sun Wars.

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by PPP on Aug 27, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe part of the explanation for that can be found here.

(search for the string “To try to understand these cheerful gossips” and start reading there for the relevant bit – and what we have here is a really reeaaaly mild case at best, but still)

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by Wan Ihite on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bravo

You represented both sides perfectly.
As you mentioned, bloggers often offer a depth to the analysis that msm can’t provide – the next step though will be to have them ask the players the questions that they want answered, as opposed to extrapolating from the answers directed to the regluar day-to-day questions offered by Henny.

by chansler on Aug 27, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Bingo

The problem is that often the questions we want answered are not necessarily ones we’d be able to ask or that they’d be willing to answer.

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by PPP on Aug 30, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

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