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Christian Hanson has signed a 1 year contract, per Jeff Marek on Twitter.
Read the official press release here.
Update: Per Mirtle: 600K two way deal.
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And so now we start the always aggravating wait for the only interesting aspect of the deal: the price tag. Thanks again NHL for annoying your most dedicated fans!
The preds actually released the $ for Aaron Johnson’s signing with the initial press release.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure Mirtle will get us the terms post-haste.
If it’s 2-way I can’t imagine it will be any more than Johnny F@*#ing Mitchell.
I’ve said it so many times before but I can’t for the life of me figure out why he didn’t take his QO.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Eff yeah
Thats the ticket!
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Aug 31, 2010 4:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Leafer, Laser – Deleted your fanshots because this one was already up on the front page.
happiergilmore – Deleted your fanpost because it was too short. Should have been a fanshot.
Christian Hanson – I’ll delete you from my heart if you don’t play every game like the last game of the year against Montreal.
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Mine was up first. I will not stand for this injustice.
jerkstore
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The only solution
is 4 minutes of 4-on-4, 3 minutes of 3-on-3, followed by a shootout. Winner gets 4 points, losing team gets 2.5 points. Your fanshots must also be measured so as not to exceed the fanshot regulatory specifications. ’93 Playoff rules so high sticking will be tolerated.
Nomine Burkie, Phaneufi, et Spiritus Universi
Agree
Also, it’s a fight to the death
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yay playoffs
Colton Orr will pound you into a million stuff
by Future_considerations on Aug 31, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll check back in when money’s announced to join the 400 comments pissing and moaning that he’s making $500 too much.
Resident Capologist
I suspect everyone will be pretty happy with this given he’s going to come in under his QO… just as pretty much everyone was happy with the Monster, Kulemin and Mitchell signings. In fact I don’t remember hearing about any pissing and moaning about any RFA or ELC signing Burke has made.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s just those blasted UFA contracts he keeps messing up that get us angry.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Damn UFAs and their overpayments
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha Good man.
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Per official team policy, details of the contract are being delayed until the guys at capgeek get a hold of them and post them on their site.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
by SkinnyFish on Aug 31, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
so
we can’t complain until then…?
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s always the fact that we’re now at 50 contracts (for real now, not just 49 with a spot reserved for Hanson)
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
still at 49, Hanson was included in that number
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
capgeek had him included to make 50
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
with 3 players possible to slide
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on what we've been hearing, D'Amigo isn't sliding.
The other 2 probably will.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, so probably 2 spaces, possibly 3.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
but do they only slide once the season has started? (i.e. once they’ve been sent back to junior?)
Does that mean in theory, Leafs could sign/trade for 2 more players throughout the year, but after these two have been sent back? What happens when the year is over?
Silly SPC drama.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea.
They only slide if they don’t play 10 pro games so if they’re sent to the OHL can they be re-called for loung enough to play 10 games? I doubt it…
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Once they play a game
they burn a year of their ELC so I think they count… irrespective of going back to the CHL or not.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
except for emergency call ups
like Kadri last season.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No it explicitly says 10 games.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, it’s 10 games. Remember the whole send Schenn down after 10 games thing?
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None of it matters
until the season rosters are set… near the end of training camp.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No he wasn’t. We signed MacArthur. But we’re really at 47 because we have 2 guys who will more than likely go back to the OHL.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
just tell me when to start complaining so i can fit in with the cool kids
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll send you a “Commence bitching and moaning now” text when it happens. Stay alert, you don’t want to be late to the party.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
You have blurr’s cell #?
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the internet is 99% text based
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
heck yes
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that does check out for the whole California thing…
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
it’s 867-5309
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Jenny?
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda want D’Amigo to play in the OHL for this reason
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he won't go to the OHL
there’s no real point.
He’s already shown he can light up Junior level players… for him to progress further he needs an AHL season.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Marlies Season Tickets, please
Well, at least the first half of the season.
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Kadri
will be in the AHL or NHL… no way in hell he’s in Junior as an overager.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They traded away
2 AHL forwards to get Lashoff on the weekend… I’m pretty sure there’s enough space for most of our AHL/Prospect group now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I do agree with you. However, NCAA is not the OHL.
D’Amigo will play in the AHL, it will most likely will be best for his development.
Who will slide down again, Blacker and…. Fack I forget
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No
but the World Juniors is the best of the best and he was one of the top scorers at that tourney for under 20 players.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He also
led the U-18 Worlds in scoring… he’s not going to the CHL.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you, he isn’t
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small sample size, you are using one
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe you are right
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Devane
probably.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 31, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
I like his hair curls coming out from beneath his helmet.
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too.
I think Christian will have a better footing this season. He has the enthusiasm and I’m excited for him.
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Aug 31, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
off topic while we wait for a salary figure
a season preview from NESN, this time a Boston perspective. This guy seems to think the playoffs are a possibility for the Leafs too:
http://www.nesn.com/2010/08/maple-leafs-hope-to-build-off-strong-late-season-finish-end-playoff-drought.html
That Cup drought isn’t likely to end any time soon, but could the Leafs at least make it back to the playoffs for the first time since 2004? That won’t be easy either, but it is a bit more realistic, especially if Toronto can avoid another slow start and play the way it did done the stretch last year for an entire season. The Bruins certainly hope the Leafs don’t find that kind of consistency though, as Boston would love to get another lottery pick out of the Kessel deal.
The most pessimistic Leafs fan on the board.
by Peter de Chatham on Aug 31, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed.
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quite a range… but yeah I agree
The most pessimistic Leafs fan on the board.
by Peter de Chatham on Aug 31, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
there was 12 points separating 6th from 13th in the east last season, all it takes is one really good run or really bad skid
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
kinda like
opening the season with a crippling losing streak?
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
91 to 79 points
is only a 12 point swing… so 6 wins one way or another… not as huge as you’d think.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I just feel like after the 4 or 5 teams clearly at the top of the heap, there isn’t a whole lot seperating the rest of the East
Except for the Panthers who are going to be laughably bad.
Resident Capologist
Disagree
about the Panthers.
Their D now has Kulikov, McCabe, Wideman, Ellerby, Allen, and their forward group has Weiss, Frolik, Booth, Olesz, Stillman, Reinprecht, Bernier, Dvorak, Higgins, Grabner, Matthias, and Bitz…
they aren’t going to suck as bad as you think…
also two words… Tomas Vokoun.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
They also lost Horton, and Booth is a major wildcard.
Stillman, Dvorak, McCabe and Vokoun are all UFAs, Frolik, Grabner, Ellerby, Matthias, Repik, lots of RFAs.
The team clearly is building for the future and they see Markstrom as their goalie of the future; I think they’ll have a firesale around the deadline and deal every major UFA.
Resident Capologist
Probably
they’re too young to do anything..
the Panthers will suck unless they get scoring… I just don’t think you can discount a team with Tomas Vokoun in net.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like we say this every year
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And every year
Vokoun posts ridiculous numbers.
Either way… Florida sucked last year, but two years ago they had 93 points, and the year before that they had 85. The only year Vokoun’s been in net where they’ve finished bottom 3 in the East was last season… that isn’t a pattern.
Their scoring got worse, but I just can’t discount a team with him in net as completely incapable of producing wins.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
It’s not whether they’ll finish bottom three (which I don’t think they will) but whether they’ll make the playoffs (which I don’t think they will)
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by PPP on Sep 2, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Same
but my range is from 1-15th in the east.
I’m almost 100% positive about it.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
that seems pretty risky.
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Who finishes last?
Florida?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If life is just
The habs. After they trade us their #1 pick for Jeff Finger.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the islanders could go either way, i am not totally convinced they got a whole lot better
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Me neither. They could be heading towards another lottery pick.
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I think Florida, Atlanta and the Islanders are odds-on favourites to be the three worst teams in the East.
Resident Capologist
Disagree Disagree Disagree.
No way on all three.
This is illogical and based on past expectations, but all 3 have improved.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs problem is
nobody in the East got worse… they might have improved, but so did everyone else.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don’t have much faith in Atlanta. Florida I think improved. Islanders, I’m not sure of, we’ll see.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Ottawa is worse
they have some more fire power but they are a hell of a lot weaker defensively
similarly with the Habs, Halak was a big loss and I don’t think they have added anything that improves them enough to recoup that loss
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ottawa’s only two years removed from a 23rd place finish. Since then they’ve lost Heatley, Volchenkov, Vermette and Auld (who gave them a .911 that year). I don’t think Gonchar and Michalek make up for those losses, and team is getting older. They could well fall off a cliff.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if Alfredsson is finally injured for any length of time, it’s draft lottery for them.
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
They got Michalek??
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh right.
I wonder how he’ll be after his injuries last year.
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
a 20-25ish goal scorer who pots 30 assits
IE a good player
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
but there was talk that he mightn’t be able to return
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Elliot be able to pull of that miraculous string of games again? I doubt it
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agreed, i definatly think we have pulled ahead of ottawa. maybe my mind is diluted with hatred.
by CaroldHallardBurse on Aug 31, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say the Habs got worse.
Sens is arguable.
Unsure about Buffalo, i’d say lateral movement.
I still think FLA got worse.
Islanders did nothing except draft future picks.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How did the Islanders improve? James Wisniewski?
MAYBE if Di Pietro gets back their goaltending improves, but they really didn’t improve for THIS year, the year after they will be much better
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the only way they improve is through development, Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, etc, if they dont slip and say Tavares goes all stamkos on the PP or something they are a MUCH better team
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Same could be said about Colorado (i.e. relying on internal development)
That also being said, sort of us too.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Colorado is already pretty good along the development path with Statsny and the like, if they get heroic goaltending out of anderson it is gravy, and then there is deuchene. that kid is reaaaal good
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
and Chris Stewart, /splurt
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They’re very unpredictable at this stage of their team, could go for a lottary pick or contend for a spot again.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly. I honestly think NYI are looking at ‘11-’12 as their breakout year
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Atlanta
despite losing Kovalchuk, and Kubina, replaced them with Bergfors, Oduya, and Sopel. They also added Andrew Ladd and Dustin Byfuglien up front, they still have Antropov, and they get another year of Evander Kane improving.
Islanders get year 2 of Tavares and Moulson, along with Bailey, Okposo, Comeau, Parentau, and they added James Wisniewski from the ducks to their blueline to play alongside Streit, Eaton, and Martinek…
they also have Mikko Koskinen coming up to play net, and Calvin De Haan coming down the pipe on D.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think Moulson is a HUGE if, I could very well see his 30 goal season being an outlier
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
None of the playoff teams got worse, save for Montreal. I don’t think any of the non-playoff teams got any better besides Tampa
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Except
that a few of those non-playoff teams continue to get one year older and develop more.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Theseparation between playoff berth and 12th place in the East wasn’t much.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh. there are only a handful of players that are likely to really develop.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
lol
wtf? so most players don’t develop?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
What's a handful?
5? 10? 15?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Using this logic
teams like Pittsburgh and Washington never really would have gotten better.
The Bruins were screwed when they took Thornton and Samsonov.
Why did Chicago bother drafting all those young guys?
St. Louis will never improve…
etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
There are only a handful of players that are likely to progress enough amongst the non-playoff teams to have a major impact.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
So you would call
Islanders = Tavares, Okposo, Bailey, Moulson, Bailey, Comeau, Schremp, Bergenheim, Hillen, Gervais, Tambellini, etc. all unlikely to improve, despite all being 26 or younger?
I find that a bit absurd.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Blake Comeau
23 years old, he had 17 goals and 35 points in 61 games… he’s unlikely to improve?
Josh Bailey – 19 years old, 16 goals and 35 points in 73 games? He’s unlikely to improve much?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of Tavares and Okposo? Yeah, I don’t see enough there. Lots of question marks.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Oh and
they drafted Nino Niederreiter, and Kirill Kabanov… they might get something out of that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
and Calvin De Haan
12th overall 2 years ago? He might improve on D at some point… he was one of the top D men in the CHL a year ago.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
and Mikko Koskinen
from Espo Blues in Finland? Had a .932 save percentage in his last season in Finland? Was drafted 31st overall two years ago? might be kinda good?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yep. that’s exactly what I’m saying. All of the Islanders players under 25 should just quit hockey and the team should start over or fold.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
No
you’re just saying you don’t expect them to improve enough to displace a playoff team… usually nobody does when a team like that improves.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
there’s nothing to suggest that the Isles are suddenly going to get stellar production from a couple of 2nd or 3rd year players and a bunch of rookies that will get them into the playoffs
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Nope
nor the Leafs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
We were discussing bottom 3
I didn’t say they’d make the playoffs… for the record.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
There are 15 teams in the East
not being in the top 8 means you’re bottom 7, not bottom 3.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
not that some of those guys won’t improve, but it’s silly to assume all of them will. the Islanders aren’t suddenly going to improve enough to bump a playoff team
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Yes...
like Colorado… or Chicago… let’s base all assumptions on the past 5 years and assume crappy teams will never get better.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It was obviously silly
of Chicago to expect Toews, Kane, Ladd, Brouwer, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Niemi, Bolland, and Versteeg to all get better.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemi was a UFA signing, it was his first year in the NHL.
Slow down there bud.
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He was still a rookie
and they expected him to improve.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Improve on what?!????
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
on Khabibulin?
his play BEFORE he got to the NHL?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
his play in the pre-season?
they expected him to get better over the course of the season.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemi didn’t improve on Khabibulin though.
Comparing his play in the NHL to his play in Finland is rediculous.
The expected Huet to improve on his place, and instead got lucky with Niemi being able to step in.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemi
didn’t improve on Khabibulin? Khabibulin played his way to the KHL didn’t he?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no
He played his way to a big contract in Edmonton.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok then
the KHL thing was earlier in his year before they decided to play him and he went gang busters…
but you’re right Niemi wasn’t an improvement on him, he was an improvement on Huet.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not what he’s saying at all.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Shhhhh. Steve’s on a roll.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
by birky on Aug 31, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know that
he’s saying we can’t expect guys to get better generally.
I’m not saying we should, but I’m saying the prospect of improvement makes some teams seem better than they might actually be… like oh say… Toronto?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Somehow
we’ve improved enough to be superior to the Isles and Florida… despite the fact that we’re as young if not younger than they are?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
PLUS
Florida has better goaltending, and the Isles have more offense… yeah I’m not sure why we’re superior to them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
BECAUSE WE ARE LEAF FANS
YEESH
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Florida faces a similar challenge to the Leafs – who on that line up is going to score?
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Booth has had good numbers, but he’s a concussion away from living on pablum.
Gabner was a nice acquisition, but he’s only had 20G in the NHL.
Panthers were 28th in scoring last year and haven’t done a lot to improve on that front.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
frolik
has had 42 goals in 2 years… he’s still only 22
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Florida has Jakob Markstrom coming down the pipe… and had 3 first rounders this year, and another 3 second rounders.
They’re not worrying about this year so much I don’t think.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Please re-read what I posted.
I’m well aware there are players on the Panthers who have scored goals in the past and will score goals in the future.
The issue remains, they need to score a lot of goals to make the post-season and I don’t think they have a line up capable of notching 225+
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
ok I agree with that
I’m not really trying to argue with you… just thinking as I type.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
By 20G
you mean 20 games right?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Frolik
Olesz, Weiss, Booth, Reinprecht, Bernier? I dunno… whoever.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahha Bernier.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If you know that’s not what he’s saying then why say it?
You make the whole discussion seem ridiculous. You can make that point without sweeping statements like the above.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
but that would be less fun for me.
which is why I’m here.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. BTW all of this is off topic and should be in the FTB.
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve, that’s not what I’m saying AT ALL. I’m saying that the non-playoff teams from last year are unlikely to suddenly see sufficient gains in production from young players to vault them into the playoffs. If you think I said players don’t develop, you’re taking my words out of context.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I know I am.
and what got this going was the question around who we saw as finishing in the bottom 3 spots… someone said Isles, Panthers, and Atlanta…I refuted that with the development cliche.
You’re suddenly discussing them displacing playoff teams… not sure where that came from… but then I felt like refuting you.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
well, I don’t know about the entire conversation, but I was responding to this statement:
The Leafs problem is nobody in the East got worse… they might have improved, but so did everyone else.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Ok
well… I don’t really think anyone got significantly worse… and I don’t think Florida got a lot worse… despite losing Nathan Horton.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So who then?
I can’t see how the addition of a few overrated bit parts from the Hawks makes up for losing Kovalchuk.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This
I like Ladd, but I think Byfuglien will be pretty bad again. They can’t even come to terms with Bergfors.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Bergfors
is pretty far from a bit part… sorry.
his production basically matched Kovalchuk’s post trade.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
also
despite coming to terms being difficult, he’ll get signed.
Also don’t forget Bagosian is a beast on the blue line.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
WHo is starting in net, Pavalec?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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or Chris Mason
who isn’t that bad.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
They still haven’t signed him. Plus, he’s not from the Hawks, he’s from the Devils.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he was from the Hawks.
I said they replaced Kovalchuk with Bergfors…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I mentioned him along with Oduya
who was the other player in the deal… I know he was from the Devils.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes but 67 Sound said the bit parts were from the Hawks.
He never called Bergfors a bit part.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He was saying
he doesn’t see how they make up for the loss of Kovalchuk… I’m supplying an answer.
Losing Afinogenov for nothing is a bigger problem, but I think Ladd will produce with more ice time.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes but
Please, slow down and comment in a more responsive manner. Your statement came off as saying that Bergfors was from the hawks. If you typed a little slower it’d be a lot easier to follow conversations with you.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
You are not the first person to have told me this… verbal dialogue with me is quite similar to be honest..
I’ll work on resisting my scatter shot approach.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re kidding, right? Bergfors is a second liner. Kovalchuk is one of the five best goal scorers in the league.
17 points in 27 games doesn’t match Kovalchuk.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Bergfors won't be a 2nd liner
when he’s done developing… you’re saying he sucks based on 36 games in the NHL?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
woops...
36 + the 54 with the Devils.. make that 90 games… in which he produced 45 points… sorry. my mistake on the games number.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Being a 0.5 ppg player
as a rookie basically… really isn’t that bad.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love
to get Bergfors. I had a mancrush on him in my fantasy league last year until he got traded.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
He isn’t bad… we agree…
where we disagree… is you have him as a 2nd line player… I think in 2 years he’s a first line player, and I think that probably starts this season.
I just think Atlanta will surprise some people. Rick Dudley knows what he’s doing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll see how it plays out. I think Bowman fleeced him.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Essentially Jeremy Morin and a 1st for Buff.
Ya that’s a fleecing
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I think the Byfuglien deal
was a glorified PR Move… they need to sell tickets in Atlanta, and having one more marketable commodity makes a difference in that regard.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did I say he sucks? I said he won’t come close to replacing Kovalchuk next year, which is all we’re talking about.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Two things
more than one player can compensate for that production… especially when you consider the salary cap Kovy was chewing up.
Secondly… I think Kovalchuk is over-rated.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So I’ll ask a third time: who do you see for bottom three?
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly?
Right now probably the Rangers, Ottawa, and one of the three teams we’re discussing or the Leafs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Although
the Rangers could go the other way assuming Gaborik stays healthy and Frolov returns to form.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ottawa
is my pick for basement dweller right now.
Why? Gonchar and Alfredsson will get injured… nobody other than Spezza and Fisher will score… and their goaltending is atrocious.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere else in this thread I suggested I agree with this.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rangers, even with Lundqvist?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Even with Lundqvist...
no backup.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lundqvist takes 70 starts a year. They could actually use Toskala as a backup and still not have a goaltending problem.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
There's no reason
to assume Lundqvist will NEVER get injured… in fact I’m guessing he might this year since he has yet to miss significant time in his career.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
GP: 70, 72, 70, 73.
You’re betting on the long shot, to say the least.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
I left off one year: 53 games as a rookie. Still a huge workload.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
Yes
and a huge workload makes it MORE likely he gets injured… not the reverse.
Why bank on assuming nothing ever changes? he has to break down eventually.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of like
Gaborik playing most of a year last season… very few expected that… and the Rangers still missed the playoffs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If you spend 4 years sitting there with a sign saying “the sky is going to fall tomorrow,” and then one day it does, it doesn’t mean you made a good prediction yesterday.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
i thought that’s what being a Leafs fan was all about. Assume the worst, and look like a genius when it happens.
This is my BOZAK!!!1
by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was eternal hope bouyed by “there’s always next year”
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by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
depends on who you ask I guess…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No
but there’s really no point in making predictions since to be honest … we generally suck at them.
Aside from a lot of people saying Chicago and Philly were good before the season began last year I don’t think most people would have expected the Flyers to finish 8th in their conference and make the finals with Michael Leighton and Antti Niemi respectively.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the thing
generally nobody makes good predictions… let’s not bother with them… I’m just discussing how things MAY work out.
I have no idea if they will or won’t happen.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Biron’s more than an adequate back up.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
he wasn’t particularly on the Island. 3.27 GAA, .896 SV%… not particularly good.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Have you seen the Islanders roster?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
behind Mark Streit and Brendan Witt, do you blame him?
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Yes?
He controls his save percentage… otherwise we can’t always blame Toskala.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Behind a bad D, his save percentage is still gonna be high.
And did you really just say we can’t blame Toskala? Honestly?
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I said
if we can’t blame Biron, then we can’t blame Toskala… you can’t have it both ways.
It can’t be all the D’s fault on the Island and then all the goalie’s fault in Toronto.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhhhhhh why not?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Even with a lower save percentage (around .900) I think he’ll be able to spell Lundvist a lot more than Valliquette did last year.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, particularly if they get Staal signed (and I assume they will) they have a stud at F, D and G. That’s a good way to avoid the bottom 3.
Of course injuries will probably play the biggest role in all of this.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Injuries
played the biggest role last year…
look at Toronto, Carolina, and Florida… Kessel, Staal, Booth… woops? there goes the season.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
the Rangers are a stretch… I just think they’re more likely to have injury issues than other teams based on the whole Gaborik thing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I can accept that.
One injury to Lundqvist or Gaborik and they’re done.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Florida stays out of the bottom because they have Vokun, but the Rangers – with Lundqvist, Frolov, and Gaborik – hit the bottom three?
No way.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
Gaborik
will be injured before Christmas.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
their D is brutal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
/checks
out side of Staal, yeaup
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
what are you basing your injury predictions on (this one, + gonchar and alfie)?
Yesterday is dead, but not my memory.
Injuries basically
is all it is. I think those guys seem to be breaking down the most… so I’m guessing they’ll be injured again this year… like the past few years.
Alfie and Gonchar are getting quite old.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Kovalev
is also coming off an ACL tear…
they’re OLD.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a 40 goal scorer 2 of his last 3 years. Unless he gets a “there goes the season” injury again, it’s not really a concern. Definitely not a bottom 3 setup.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
listen
none of us expected the Leafs to hit bottom 3 last year going into the season… it happens.
I’m just saying I think there will be a surprise… there always is.
Those are my random names I’m drawing out of thin air.
They’ll probably be wrong… for all we know it’ll be Philly, Buffalo, and Boston…. who knows?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If Miller gets hurt. Bye bye Sabres
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its ok, myers has the viezna covered
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
or
thomas/rask?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If Rask goes down, Thomas has it covered, and vice versa.
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Have we forgotten
St. Louis from like 6 or 7 years ago was it? 2002-03 Blues used 7 different goalies… none of whom started over 38 games.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Brent Johnson
Fred Brathwaite, Reinhard Divis, Cody Rukowsky, Chris Osgood, Tom Barasso, and Curtis Sanford.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
two of these names are not like the others…..
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Cup Winners?
Osgood/Barasso…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Reinhard Divis, Cody Rukowsky
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston
could lose one of their goalies and still carry on pretty okay. Assuming they can learn to score with Seguin and Horton added.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
boston had a bad stretch of goaltending last year that was dropping them in the standings like a rock
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, if Miller had posted a .913 (which Luongo did—all goalies vary a lot year to year) instead of a .929 they give up 33 more goals last year and have a goal differential comparable to the Flames or Habs.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not as long as they have Vokoun. I still think unless Bogosian and Kane make a huge leap that Atlanta will be terrible. The Canes are probably just an Eric Staal injury away from last place.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, Paul Maurice is due for another terrible year.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
that team will live and die by Cam Ward
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he defines the hot streak goalie for he, more so than even Halak
when he is on, he is unbeatable
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about the Canes. Remember when they were WAYYYYYYYY behind us in the standings? I miss those days.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
remember how they led the NHL in man games lost to injury last year? then after they got all those players back they were a million times better than us to close out the season? yeah me too.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeesh
I get it, they’re better than their standings in the 1st half.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cam Ward can steal games, then lose them on his own.
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My point is
we’re underrating other teams so we can convince ourselves we’ll slide up the standings… which is dumb.
It’s POSSIBLE if everything goes right for us, and a bunch of things go wrong for other teams that we improve drastically.
Unfortunately the odds of those things all happening are slim. I’ll be glad if we get over 86 points.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I think you are overrating teams. The Islanders improving with Wisniewski? Moulson has had ONE good year.
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So I ask again, who do you like for bottom three? Because it seems for now you think the East is like Lake Woebegone.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think with the Lightning looking strong now, and the Caps still being the caps, other teams in the South East are going to get stepped on.
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
I don't care who the bottom 3 are
I’m going to keep going through random outcomes that may or may not happen.
Philadelphia, Buffalo, and Pittsburgh are up now.
Pittsburgh’s goaltending if they get an injury.
Same for Buffalo…
and Michael Leighton in Philly falls back to Earth and Pronger’s age finally causes him issues.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I can recall a time when there were so many questions about goalies.
So many teams have legitimate questions about the state of their goaltending…Tor, TB, EDM, NYI, Ott, PHI, CHI, Cal…and so on.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Well
the other thing to take into account is the new measurement system they’re instituting this year.
Goalies are going to generally look like crap this season.
Kay Whitmore has put a new system in place to properly size pads from the ice surface, and any “small” goalie is going to see a sudden drop in their ability to cover holes with bigger pads. big mobile guys won’t see a huge change.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It may be the death knell
of the small goalie being seen as decent in the NHL.
Luckily we have Rynnas and Gustavsson.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to see a chart that tracked goaltender salaries over the past few years. Without looking it up, it just feels like teams are trying to squeeze more value out of that position and salaries are trending down.
Part of me would like to think it’s because of all the uncertainty, but I don’t think GMs are that smart or the market is that responsive.
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
TBL’s goaltending will be the make or break point for them. Not sure the hailing of Stevie Y as boy genius GM by the MSM was too wise to do, what with the whole season yet to be played…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
But we must make snap judgements right now!!!
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
as nice as they’ve been to Mike Smith and Dan Ellis… not sure that’s a playoff combination yet.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t agree more Blurr. Smith hasn’t grabbed the reigns and Ellis is a big question mark.
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panthers, islanders, thrashers and canadiens all finish lower than us.
why?
panthers – weak up front, weak in the back, pretty obvious, vokoun good but otherwise meh
islanders – one threatening scoring line, weak defense, Roloson in goal? lolz…
thrashers – decent scoring, weak defense, mason is good but not great and has no backup
canadiens – weak and puny up front, defense is good, (Jim) Carey Price has a meltdown without Halak to bail him out
There you go, Leafs are better than all of those teams with a very strong defense and strong goaltending. If Kadri emerges this year and Kessel stays healthy we make the playoffs
The most pessimistic Leafs fan on the board.
by Peter de Chatham on Aug 31, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not for anything, I don’t see the Canadiens faltering all that much
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I do
They did nothing to improve except maybe adding Subban, and lost Halak.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there much truth to the trading Price rumours?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubtful.
Just lazy rumour mongers running out of shit to say now that Leafs are done.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be kinda hilarious, although that would probably mean they get a good forward back and sign Niemi
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but even signing Niemi I’d think they might slide.
There’ll be a large pack of eastern conference teams all pretty close together, that’s for sure.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i doubt it. My money’s on him being rather good this year.
I know we’re supposed to hate the Habs and all that, but I’m with Leafer. Don’t see MTL slipping all that much.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, price is a damned good goalie and they still have alot of fire power up front. their D is largly unchanged and even with Markov injured they weren’t in the basement last year
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by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot of firepower?
Cammalleri? Gomez? Gionta? Plekanec? that’s a lot of firepower?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well for a Leafs fan it is…
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
that’s kinda sad. Marc Andre Bergeron finished 5th on their team in scoring last year…
and he only played 60 games.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ok “a lot” was a bit of a stretch, but they arn’t exactly struggling to score goals
that better?
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Have you taken a look at the Leafs’ forwards this year?
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
we have a problem with goals… so do they… that’s my point.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
After their top 4
they have no one worth considering a good top 6 forward.
I’d say we have 3 legit top 6 forwards in Versteeg, Kessel, and Grabovski, and possibly two more in Kulemin and Bozak.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Cammalleri is probably Kessel’s equal in that department.
Gionta’s better than anyone we have after that.
Gomez is meh and I expect Plekanec to have a down year compared to last, but they do have some decent top 6 forwards.
whatever, sorry Jared used the wrong term in his comment.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I’m just into the debate… talking about other teams is more interesting to me right now than rehashing the Leafs prospect pool.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
they have 4 forwards that are probably better than anyone we’ve got aside from Kessel… but if Bozak, Versteeg, Grabovski, and Kulemin improve this year, we could be saying that’s different a year from now… that’s my hope.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Four players with over 40 points
is NOT a lot of firepower.
The Leafs have Kessel, Versteeg, Kaberle, Bozak, Grabovski, and Kulemin… I mean… that’s really not any worse.
If they have a lot of firepower so do we… which we don’t.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They only scored three more than us last year. And Plekanec had a career year.
I don’t see them being clearly better offensively than us. Marginally perhaps. But nothing more.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The key distinction
between the two teams last year was Goaltending.
That may or may not continue… but they didn’t improve their offense drastically any more than we did.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Gionta only played 61. Cammalleri only 65…
they had a grand total of two players play 82 games, one guy with 81 and 7 total with more than 70.
so ya, i think injuries more than skill might be the issue there Steve….
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The injuries
are related to how small they are… and their ages… I don’t think that changes much.
Which is why I worry about Kessel, Grabovski, and Versteeg… they’re undersized also.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
and I'm not saying those top 4
are bad… they’re quite good…
but after that who do they have?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Pacioretty could be quite good for them. He didn’t get a full season under his belt, so that’s more of a WAG than anything else.
plus the older Kostitsyn should be good for 15-20 goals. He potted 15 in only 59 games last season.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
My thinking is… their forwards are more established… more of a sure thing… though injury prone.
Ours MAY hit those levels, but at this point we have no idea.
I don’t think of them as way stronger offensively though to look at them on paper.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Pacioretty? He had 3 goals and 14 points in 52 regular season games… I dunno if I’d be including him in the top 6 yet.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a good college and junior career
but he hasn’t done much to show anything in the AHL or NHL at this point.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So far
he looks like he’s not much of a goal scorer at all…
6 goals in 86 NHL games, and 8 goals in 55 AHL games… that’s pretty atrocious.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s all of 21. I think with some increased ice time, and a year under his belt, he could blossom.
also, WAG = wild ass guess.
never said it was based on anything more.
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
One guy?
with over 59 points? is a lot of firepower?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he gets PAID
then softens now that he’s got his contract.
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
they’re a good choice.
The Habs lost some pieces… Halak chief among them… and on D they could lose Markov to injury AGAIN… he seems sort of injury prone now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So the Hanson signing looks like it’ll put us over the cap (according to capgeek). Is someone significant getting sent down, or are we going to see another trade before the start of the season?
If I'm losing an argument, I ask myself "What would a real journalist do?"
Then I cower behind: "You still don't get it. Deal with it." Thanks, James Wallace.
Lets all hope Jeff Finger
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That’s what Mirtle’s been saying for a couple days now.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 31, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Stars are aligning boys and girls
Stars are aligning!
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I noticed that too.
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For all we know
it’s Kaberle… for a 1st and a prospect from a contender.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ste5! lol
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Sep 1, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
It looks to me like they’ve already factored in $900,000 for Hanson leaving us $325, 000 cap space
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll admit, I laughed.
If Leafs sign Hanson for the 925k capgeek has listed (from last season) and Lashoff goes down… we have less than $1000 in cap space haha.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Phil Kessel ($5.400m) / Tyler Bozak ($3.725m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Colby Armstrong ($3.000m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($2.900m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.350m)
Clarke MacArthur ($1.100m) / Colton Orr ($1.000m) / Luca Caputi ($0.833m)
Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.750m) / John Mitchell ($0.725m) / Mike Brown ($0.537m)
/ Christian Hanson ($0.925m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Mike Komisarek ($4.500m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m) / Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m)
Jeff Finger ($3.500m) / Luke Schenn ($2.975m)
Brett Lebda ($1.450m) / Carl Gunnarsson ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($6.000m) /Jonas Gustavsson ($1.350m)
BUYOUTS: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,400,000
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,854,166; BONUSES: $5,385,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $834
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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
4 d pairings AND an extra forward!
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 31, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It's 23 men
which is normal
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah!
We can sign that high priced UFA that’s just sitting there waiting for a contract! ;)
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 31, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m curious though. If the Leafs demote Finger, they can’t recall him for practical purposes. I doubt they could recall Lashoff either, considering some team would grab him at 225K. So maybe the Leafs carry 8 D all season with Lebda and Lashoff as extras?
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I think they’d rather risk losing Lashoff and having to pay the $225k instead of half of Finger’s salary, but who knows…
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by blurr1974 on Aug 31, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
$834
Check this out:
“We intend to be pushing the cap every year,” said Burke. "We want to spend the money intelligently.
“We’re Big Blue, we’re going to spend to the cap.”
Toronto Star, May 30 2009.
by general borschevsky on Aug 31, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Be careful reading that capgeek page
it’s best to go into the “cap calculator” section rather than the normal team one.
It has us with 9 D-men on our opening roster. At least 1 (hopefully 2) will start in the minors.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't tell how legit
but this bum says it’s $650k for Hanson, 1 year.
I’ll wait for some one more credible before we can consider it confirmed.
20 miles to Legoland!
$650 K
is probably about right. I’m guessing he gets $650 K in the NHL, and his AHL salary goes up from the $65,000 he got last year to something north of $100+ K… if he’s running the risk of being demoted he’ll want to get paid reasonably to do it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Aug 31, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
650k
2 way, 1 year confirmed by TSN.
Nothing on how much he gets paid in the minors, but who the hell gives a crap.
That’s the type of cap hit I can live with.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Using that
We could have a complete roster under the cap including Finger.
However, if we waived Finger… we’d have plenty of room for any potential bonuses and could bring up any of the best performing kids without getting a cap penalty next season.
THINK ABOUT IT BURKEY.
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Phil Kessel ($5.400m) / Tyler Bozak ($3.725m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Colby Armstrong ($3.000m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($2.900m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.350m)
Clarke MacArthur ($1.100m) / Colton Orr ($1.000m) / Luca Caputi ($0.833m)
Fredrik Sjostrom ($0.750m) / John Mitchell ($0.725m) / Mike Brown ($0.537m)
/ Christian Hanson ($0.650m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) / Mike Komisarek ($4.500m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m) / Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m)
Brett Lebda ($1.450m) / Luke Schenn ($2.975m)
/ Carl Gunnarsson ($0.800m)
GOALTENDERS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($6.000m) /Jonas Gustavsson ($1.350m)
BUYOUTS: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m)
CARRY-OVER BONUS PENALTY: $1,400,000
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,079,166; BONUSES: $5,385,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $3,775,834
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Aug 31, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting Stat...
This comes courtesy dobberhockey.com:
“Toronto has re-signed Christian Hanson. He didn’t get his one-way contract. As I said on Twitter (@dobberhockey) – Leafs were 17-12-3 when Christian Hanson was in the lineup last year. They were 13-26-11 without him. He brings energy. Momentum changer. But he probably won’t be on the team for more than 20 games in the season ahead.”
Weird statistic, if nothing else he appears to bring good karma!
But he probably won’t be on the team for more than 20 games in the season ahead."
ummm ? whys that? if he has a one-way.
"The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness"
by Maniel Darois on Sep 1, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It's a 2 way
read the quote again.
He didn’t get his one-way contract.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
That stat about Hanson
translates to 17-15… that isn’t that great to be honest… though it is over .500.
It should also be pointed out that a lot of those 17 wins came in OT, or the shootout, and that doesn’t correlate to future success much.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I'd be happier
if he’d scored more than 0 goals and 4 assists in the first 30 games he played before that one against the Habs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
uups
was clearly up too late.
"The usefulness of a cup, is in it's emptiness"
by Maniel Darois on Sep 1, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
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