I would take Savard on one Condition...
by Hatcher on Aug 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT
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PrintSo I don’t consider myself an expert in any way but seeing as the Kaberle trade window closes in the next two weeks there has to be something happening we don’t know about.
I think we should revist the Marc Savard for Tomas Kaberle talk. The Bruins are 3 million above the cap and need to cut salary. It is definitely hard to find takers for an aging player on a seven year deal coming off and injury riddled season. Not to mention his $4M cap hit until 2016-2017. In general, I have been opposed the acquisition of Savard until another article sparked my curiosity. The way it stands, the Leafs have no first round pick next year due to the Kessel trade but the Leafs should amend that by getting that pick back in this trade.
Maple Leafs Trade:
Tomas Kaberle $4,250,000
Luca Caputi $833,333
Prospect (Brayden Irwin, Jesse Blacker)
Bruins Trade:
Mark Savard $4,007,143
Andrew Ference $2,250,000
Leafs 2011 First round pick
So my logic is:
- Bruins Strengthen their defensive core with Kaberle
- The Bruins get an NHL ready prospect in Caputi who they get put on their roster at a cheaper cost and get some production from
- The Leafs get the top six forward they were looking for even though it comes at 7 years $4M
- Andrew Ference can add depth to the Maple Leafs defensive corps or be buried in the minors with Jeff Finger. Bruins should have no problem moving Ference with the arrival of Kaberle and the growth of Boychuk.
- The Leafs give up a good prospect to balance the trade out
If that trade went through my second move would be to turn around with both our first and our second round picks and put an offer sheet on Bobby Ryan who has not been able to work out anything with Anaheim. I believe if we offered slightly more term and money than the Kessel deal the Ducks would be forced to make a difficult decision. With the imminent return of Teemu Selanne and Paul Kariya at give or take $3M the Ducks would be pressed against the salary cap if Ryan got offered close to $6M. If Anaheim doesn’t match, the Leafs get a better version of the former third wheel Milan Lucic for Kessel and Savard. They remain under the salary cap by simply demoting Finger and possibly Ference to the minors and aquire two legitimate top six forwards in what quickly turns into a great summer.
However more likely the ducks would find away to match the offer sheet at which point I would turn my focus to another RFA James Neal of the Dallas Stars who had a breakout campaign last year and the Whitby boy has a ton of room to improve.
Worst case scenario the Leafs regain their first round pick for the next train wreck of a season and are at a minimum rewarded for being terrible yet again. Because lets not kid ourselves Colby Armstron and Kris Versteeg are great pickups but they aren’t taking a second last place team and helping them make the playoffs.
Something to ponder
Would you be willing to make that trade??
Which RFA would you love to see in the Blue and White?
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You forgot to throw in the alcohol that would be required to convince Chiarelli to make this trade
by non-deranged Leaf fan on Aug 4, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions
I would take Savard on one Condition…
…that Chiarelli has a ‘Freaky Friday’ episode with Darryl Sutter.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 4, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
we are not getting that 1st round pick back for anything, ever
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
I Think we should revist the Mark Savard for Kaberle talk
I disagree.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
i thnk we should revisit the “savard for ‘future considerations’ as a salary dump because we’re the only team that he’ll go to” talk
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we should talk about cake
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 4, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
seconded
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Aug 4, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Why talk about more untruths?
He raged at the world, at his family, at his life. But mostly he just raged.
Just because Jay McClement is the best defensive forward in the NHL doesn't mean he should win the Selke.
Are you implying..
That the cake is a lie?!
by NinjasFromSpace on Aug 5, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I want a girl with a short skirt and a long jacket!
by CanadianMaple09 on Aug 5, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
third
cake is tasty
"Tell Sigmund Freud not to worry about his mother, I took good care of her last night. BOOYAH."
He’d go to Ottawa, too.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 5, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Ambitious but completely unrealistic.
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I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
by SkinnyFish on Aug 5, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 13 recs
breath
I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
by SkinnyFish on Aug 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
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I've always wanted to be a PPP Princess. You see kids, you can be anything you want to be; so long as Jay Leno doesn't also want to be that.
by SkinnyFish on Aug 5, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
Trade speculation is stupid. What is this become MLHS?
A Nation of Masochists
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
ZOMG LET ME WRITE UP A ROSTER WITH THE NEW PLAYERS IN IT AND KADRI PENCILED IN ON THE 2ND LINE
You may be taking Jared a little too seriously
by JaredFromLondon on Aug 5, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaaarrrrrghhhh…
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 5, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy
But yes, trade speculation should be tempered by reality and limited.
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by PPP on Aug 5, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
/blank stare
Today's tears will become tommorows Rain.
by Future_considerations on Aug 5, 2010 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
OK....here's my take
Sign Scott Niedermayer
Sign Peter Forsberg
Sign Teemu Selanne
Sign Paul Kariya
Trade Kaberle to Dallas for Morrow.
Trade Giguere and D’Amigo to Pittsburgh for Fleury
Trade Gustavsson, Ross, Aulie, and Phaneuf to Philadelphia for Pronger and Richards.
Trade Bozak, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Kulemin, and Kadri to Chicago for Toews, Keith, and Seabrook
Trade Versteeg for Bergeron
Trade Schenn, McKegg, and our 2011 2nd for Nash
Trade Kessel and our 2012, 2013, and 2014 first rounders for Crosby
Trade Brian Burke to Calgary for Sutter and Iginla
Trade Gunnarsson and Rynnas to San Jose for Boyle
Trade Forsberg to Colorado for Stastny
Trade Stastny, Brown, Lebda, Mitchell, Armstrong, and our 2015 1st to San Jose for Marleau, Thornton and Heatly. (a reach, I know)
Trade Kariya and Selanne to Anaheim for Getzlaf and Perry
Trade Blacker, Mikus, Holzer, Orr and our 2016, 2017, and 2018 1st rounders for Doughty.
LINES:
Nash – Crosby – Iginla
Marleau – Thornton – Heatley
Morrow – Getzlaf – Perry
Bergeron – Toews – Richard
Niedermayer – Pronger
Seabrook – Keith
Doughty – Boyle
Fleury
but no pop
by birky on Aug 5, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
hahaah
My favourite part .
(a reach, I know)
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Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
That’s all you think we could get?
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 5, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Brian Burke to Calgary for Sutter and Iginla
i bet every last calgarian would make that trade right now.
by potvin vs hextall on Aug 5, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa, i cant in good conscience agree to a lebda trade..
Today's tears will become tommorows Rain.
by Future_considerations on Aug 5, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you did there. Though I’m sure there’s a way we can fit Stamkos and Green into the mix.
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
did you get this off HFBoards?
Me: Any idiot could see that.
Mrs. P: You're not just any idiot, you're the most special kind of idiot.
by Sergei Puckizin on Aug 5, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Shame on you all that the Bruins and USA fan turned this hilarious comment green.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Aug 5, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
this made me lol, so awesome.
(a reach, I know) hahahaha
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Aug 6, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re missing Luongo.
"The only way out is in a body bag. Go Leafs Go." - Blinky
by Karina on Aug 9, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool It
I deleted a string of comments because things had clearly taken a turn to the unacceptable.
No personal attacks is in the community guidelines. Adhere to it please you bunch of hooligans.
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You can't tell me what to do!
You’re not my real dad!
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens.
Weekend Dad would have let us do it.
The Guess Who sucked, the Jets were lousy anyway
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Aug 6, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
if you’re gonna talk soccer, you better be prepared for hooligans…
I have nothing interesting to say.
by blurr1974 on Aug 6, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn I missed the carnage!
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Looks like you
need more info on how LTIR really works!
Just because a player is on LTIR does not automatically grant the team extra cap space. In the event a player is placed on LTIR, his cap hit still counts toward the team’s overall cap payroll. Relief only comes if replacing the player’s salary pushes the team’s cap payroll to date over the cap. The amount of relief is limited to the amount the team has gone over the cap, not the entire amount of the injured player’s salary.
In other words, it’s not free space. That would only be a very temperary solution to a bigger problem, and may end up crushing their cap space even more next year.
Tick Tock, Tomas. Tick Tock.
A drinking team with a hockey problem.
LOL
Umm they will have to replace him, that 3 million, with other players.
“An LTI can be covered by replacement players, as long as the replacement salaries do not exceed the salary of the injured player.”
Like I said, once he goes on LTIR, they will be under the cap, allowing them to bring in an addition player or two. Probably bringing them up from Providence, which they can then be sent right back down.
That’s 3 million they will have to play with.
Actually, the Cap hit never goes down. You are just allowed to bring in a player who has an equal or lesser cap hit.
Last season I was under the same mistaken impression that the cap hit actually goes down.
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Aug 6, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/20249048553
I guess Chiarelli doesn’t understand how LTIR really works either. :(
That’s just delaying the reckoning. They’ll get boned by Seguin’s bonuses.
by The '67 Sound on Aug 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
How bad are the Bruins’ cap problems? CapGeek.com has the club over the cap by $3.088 million. That figure includes Marco Sturm’s $3.5 million salary, but does not factor in a spare forward up front. Sturm is recovering from knee surgery and is not expected to be ready to play until mid-November at the earliest.
That leaves him eligible to be placed on long-term injured reserve, which in turn would give the Bruins relief for his contract. Taking Sturm’s hit off the cap might even be enough to carry that 13th healthy forward, though CapGeek.com’s numbers suggest even a minimum-salary player making $500,000 wouldn’t fit if Sturm’s LTIR is the only move Chiarelli makes. http://www.nesn.com/2010/08/marco-sturm-can-give-bruins-temporary-cap-relief-but-they-still-need-solutions.html
With Seguin in the fold and Blake Wheeler signed last week to a one-year, $2.2 million contract, the Bruins remain over the cap. But Marco Sturm will be placed on long-term injured reserve, allowing the Bruins to exceed the cap by his $3.5 million salary.
http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/bruins/extras/bruins_blog/
if they were exactly at the cap, they could exceed
but only by the amount equal to his absent salary (= daily salary X days on IR)
if he’s back in december 1, thats day 55 of the season, which is less than 30% of the season.
that could get them $1m in LTIR “credit” to use on a replacement player.
but thats if they are already at the cap. since they are already over, this isnt allowed. they need to get under the cap before the season starts.
by Death_By_Leafs on Aug 6, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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