Leafs Fans Declare Kadri Flop, Jump Out Windows During Parade Planning Exercise
by Chemmy on Sep 28, 2010 1:34 PM EDT
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I'm glad we have writers like George Popalis at the Toronto Sun to tell us what we think. Without someone like him telling us what our opinion is and why we're dumb some of us might consider ourselves free thinking individuals with rational takes on our beloved but admittedly recently crummy sports team.
Here they go again in Leaf land, Toronto fans getting all worked up about nothing. Rumblings out of Toronto Maple Leafs camp point towards Nazem Kadri needing more time to develop, and Toronto is abuzz with words like 'flop' and 'bust'. - Toronto Sun
This is absolutely the case. For example, if you go back to September 20th we wrote a post here at Pension Plan Puppets telling everyone what a horrible bust Kadri is. Let me share a quote with you:
Let's all take a deep breath on Kadri. He's a great prospect but that doesn't mean he's a great NHL player. He might be some day but rushing his development to join this year's Leafs isn't going to help us in the short term or the long term. Let him develop. Let him become the player we need him to be in three or four years when this club can realistically open the season and say "We're going to make the playoffs".
Down here in the basement (waiting for my mom to bring me some chocolate milk, sheesh what's the holdup?) us bloggers just can't help calling Kadri a flop. Follow me past the jump for some more quotes from other people calling Kadri a flop.
Vintage Leaf Memories thinks Kadri is a horrible monster who single handedly ruined our chances at a playoff spot:
Myself, I agree with Burke, Wilson and all the analysts who say Kadri hasn’t been great in pre-season. But c’mon, what were they and we expecting? Why should a just-turning 20 year-old be your second-line center? If he is, chances are your team is not very good.Just look at the teams who advance even to the quarter-finals in the NHL playoffs every year. Look at their second-line centers. You’ve got to be pretty good to compete with those guys. Kadri, and others, will get there when they get there. Development usually takes time. It doesn’t have to be today. - Vintage Leaf Memories
If Kadri isn't with the Leafs out of training camp next year, then it's time to worry. For now, it looks like he's following the typical development curve. - Bitter Leaf Fan
At seventh overall he's in the company of draft picks like Colin Wilson (2008, Nashville Predators), Jakub Voracek (2007, Columbus Blue Jackets), Kyle Okposo (2006, New York Islanders) and Jack Skille (2005, Chicago Blackhawks). Out of the four players mentioned above, only Okposo and Voracek have carved out solid spots with their NHL clubs. - Toronto Sun
It doesn't matter if Kessel scores 40 goals this year, Toronto fans will always re-hash what they could have had. And should the Leafs endure another tough season and another top-three pick going to the Bruins, people in Toronto will call for Burke's resignation. - Toronto Sun
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well done
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by Karina on Sep 28, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions
In retrospect, we never should have put the mapping table out on that windy ledge.
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by PPP on Sep 28, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I believe you said it best on Twitter...
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by Marc Pilgrim on Sep 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well. I don’t know about you, but I’m off to nap on the train tracks.
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by article1 on Sep 28, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I liked your anger, though.
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by Karina on Sep 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
BLOGE ANGRY, BLOGE SMASH PUNY PUNDIT
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I has moar
As a long-time follower of this franchise, it’s nice to see the Leafs not rush a prospect for once.
-MF37
Kadri, and others, will get there when they get there. Development usually takes time. It doesn’t have to be today.
-Michael Langlois
Give the kid some room to grow. The Marlies are going to be awesome this year.
-Karina
And not saying that Kadri is a Stamkos but maybe it helps him to flop in his first taste of the NHL.
-PPP
Wait a minute… wait just a minute!
by general borschevsky on Sep 28, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
also: http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kadrina01.html
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NOTE
I didn’t say he WAS a flop just that being amazing out of the gate like Stamkos was would be better for his long-term development.
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Stamkos was crap out of the gate.
Fact. Check.
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You guys are like a micro wisdom of crowds.
If you average Chemmy’s “crap” and PPP’s “amazing” you get was Stamkos actually was – a 23 goal rookie.
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We’re saying the same thing.
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ugh, quotation marks keep eating comments.
Stamkos scored 27 points in his first 59 games and 19 in his final 20 in his rookie year.
I’m searching for game splits but his first point, an assist, came against Toronto in his eighth game.
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14 points through his first 40 games.
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Can you imagine if 8 games into this year the Leafs had one regulation win and Kadri had a lone assist? Soemtimes playing in a backwater probably is a good thing.
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by The '67 Sound on Sep 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
SEEN STAMKOS!? ACTUALLY, NO WE HAVENT!
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Stamkos' 08-09 Production
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/451272/stamkos.JPG
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Sidenote: I got past seasons’ game logs from ESPN.com who really do have the best stats page as far as counting stats go.
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More so than that
Notice when it actually starts to climb at game 17. Melrose was fired after 16 games.
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by SkinnyFish on Sep 28, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
good point. Couldn’t motivate said Stamkos
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by MapleLeafMole on Sep 28, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t motivate, played him 8 minuts a night. Same thing, really.
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Couldn’t motivate, couldn’t find a way to get him involved, played 8 minutes a night. same shit.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Sep 28, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that wasn’t my reply at all….
Couldn’t find a way to get Stamkos involved.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Sep 28, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember, Melrose was shitting all over Stamkos from Day 1 and was giving him minimal ice time.
What a gong show the ownership was that hired Lawton and Melrose.
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by torleafsfan29 on Sep 28, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Stamkos scored 27 points in his first 59 games and 19 in his final 20 in his rookie year.
The Melrose factor + Melrose hangover. Stamkos is lucky he didn’t finish his first season with a mullet.
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by mf37 on Sep 28, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand that it was because of Melrose. Stamkos finished the season with a respectable point total because he scored so much down the stretch. I’m just saying he had a terrible start.
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From my gameday preview hours before Stamkos’ first point (what a surprise!):
If you haven’t seen Stamkos, your first problem is probably that you’re looking for him on the ice. Try here instead. As inept as the Leafs have been, it boggles the mind that someone could be worse. That someone is the Tampa Bay Lightning. Their ownership brought in Barry Melrose, who couldn’t win with Gretzky in his prime on their team, to lead the basement dwelling Lightning. Uhhhhh…
ps. Barry Melrose is a stupid asshole.
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Did you ever see the old Superman cartoon about the evil fedora? When someone put the hat on they became a villain. As soon as the hat came off the reverted back to their normal selves.
The Kids in the Hall did a terrific riff on this about the guy who grows the beard on holidays.
I love the idea of struggling rookies in the NHL developing a mullet and they can’t turn their game around until they find a way to get rid of the hockey hair…
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by mf37 on Sep 28, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s clearly a typo.
I didn’t say he WAS a flop just that being not amazing out of the gate like Stamkos was would be better for his long-term development.
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Great post
But as a Jonathan myself, I can safely say that only 0.2% of Jonathan’s spell their name “Johnathon” and Toews isn’t one of them.
It can be forgiven; even the government spells my name wrong.
My original response to this was:
“that article sucks. I read the first paragraph.
I’d love to see some physical evidence that Toronto is abuzz with words like "flop" and "bust"
To be honest, I haven’t heard a Leaf fan call him a flop or bust yet. More like “he’s not ready yet” but not a bust.
And who cares what callers on the radio say. Radio call in shows are going the way of the do-do bird. Someone really needs to start reviewing what the Blogosphere has to say.
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This irritates me on a daily, daily basis… the fake controversies, the cyclical self-informing debates…
I think we’re in a time of transition – and the “REAL JOURNALISTS with blogs” are struggling with all the ACTUAL CONTENT being produced in basements without no downtown offices. The old methods STILL work (fake debates, whatever it is Damien Cox does).. but they’re getting weaker, as their traditional audiences clue in, lose interest and/or die off – kinda like with porno shops.
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Best comparison EVER
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by Karina on Sep 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
steve simmons has excellent timing
Just interviewed a coach at the Dave Frost hockey school in California. He asked me a question: "Will the Leafs ever have a 1st line centre?
herp a derp derp derp
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
Hey at least it’s a change from the Sundin era: will the Leafs ever have a first line winger?
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I think we’ve proven it here that the Leafs don’t need to go and get a first line center. Those people calling for one need to change their definition of a first line center because their current one is wrong.
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WE NEED A CROSBY, THORTON, BACKSTROM OR ALL IS LOST!
LOOOOOOST
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We need a Crosby, Thornton, or guy riding shotgun with Ovechkin (and Ovechkin too)
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having Malkin, Heatly, Marleau, Semin, or any of the other top 10 point producers in the league would be very helpful as well
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he’s on pace for over 100 this year
OPTIMISM
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 28, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i love that picture so much
happy kessel is happy
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
heh, thats right after Ohlund crushed him. phil loves hackey
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
YAAAAAAAAAAY
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by FiftyMissionCap on Sep 28, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can’t Burke trade Finger and Lebda for Ovechkin?
Whoops, went into h**keyb***/Bushkorn mode there.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.
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by torleafsfan29 on Sep 28, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
looks like i picked the wrong week to quit doing amphetamines.
by Nigel Cadbury on Sep 28, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
nigel cadbury makes me laugh everytime… after the horn is f’n priceless sometimes
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
neither here nor WTF
every time i see your posts, the “nickname Testicula” pops out at me (figuratively i assure u). There’s a stray cat in our neighbourhood that we feed cuz we’re suckers, that has unreasonably huge balls, and we nicknamed him Mr. Testicles. makes me laugh every time.
how’s THAT for a hello how are you? :D
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The Testicula thing came about from a shitty fanpost written a little over a month ago by some mouth breather. He called Toskala, Testicula (funny right? no.) and reaffirmed by belief that stupid people for some reason always give player their own unique and shitty nicknames and will use those unique and shitty nicknames every chance they get.
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Whatever happened to Kessticle? Everybody liked that dude.
by general borschevsky on Sep 28, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ToskaLOL will never be beaten
but a Toskala nickname contest could be some serious cathartics on a crappy autumn morning.
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by Chemmy on Sep 28, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s away at school.
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Good luck to him. Hope he comes back. If anyone’s in touch with him through e-mail or twitter, give him the “Word Up” from me.
by general borschevsky on Sep 28, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He made a twitter cameo yesterday. http://twitter.com/#!/kessticle
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ur right...
you just described perfectly what I did with our stray cat!
(Gonna go breathe through my mouth in the corner over here and inventory what else I have in common with the stupids)
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i don’t know, you guys have boat loads of ridiculous nick names for players that you use on this blog day in and day out. what makes one shitty and the other clever? the fact that you or one of your friends came up with it?
this seems like some kind of TML elitist coming through…
by gnarlybattleship on Sep 28, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
we know ours are better because we are smarter and funnier than they are
duh
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Testicula isn’t funny. I understand this is subjective but am willing to stick to my guns on this one.
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1. Did you have a second point to make?
by general borschevsky on Sep 28, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and reaffirmed by belief that stupid people for some reason always give player their own unique and shitty nicknames and will use those unique and shitty nicknames every chance they get.
by gnarlybattleship on Sep 28, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
that last post self destructed. i meant to say:
i completely agree that that is a terrible nickname. i was wondering how you can separate yourself from the class of ‘stupid people’ considering you use your nicknames for players on a regular basis.
by gnarlybattleship on Sep 28, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
usually in combination with other stupidity expressed through posts or coments.
Everyone comes up with a dumb stick nickname every now and then, but this particular individual wrote a whole silly and stupid fanshot that backed up his mouth breather status, the fact that he had a stupid and unfunny nickname he used was the affirmation of the “rule”
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Furthering the point along, this was the first use of testicula in a comment.
blake was awesome, he just never had good linemates to play with.el oh el
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blake was awesome, he just never had good linemates to play with
Maybe he mis-spelled Sundin?
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So was testicula (toskala) he just never had a good goal to stand in, never had a god goalie coach, never had a good defence in front of him and that alien surgery to locate his brain failed cause the aliens dint have the right expertise
the fail is strong with this one
When I read the nickname Testicula, the first thing that popped into my head was a vampiristic scrotum that can only be killed with a silver cross driven through the vas deferens. - Certified Grabbo Lover
he HAD the God of all goalie coaches!(even if it was onl for 3/4 of a season)
going to read that fan post now and get first-hand laughs out of it.
by gnarlybattleship on Sep 28, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god re-reading that whole shit fuck of a conversation is giving me cancer i think
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
same way you seperate any other “good thing” from a list of “bad things” if you’re intelligent… judgement based on experience tempered by the volume of your peers’ ridicule
testicula is pretty bad… Toskala has nothing to do with balls, large spiders or dominatrices…. which are what that nick evokes
(are, is, derp)
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it’s not that i disagree whatsoever, it’s just extremely hard to quantify “good” and “bad” in regards to something like a nickname. especially in this kind of environment where people’s opinions are heavily influenced by their peers.
by gnarlybattleship on Sep 28, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren’t people’s opinions heavily influenced by their peers in almost all environments where opinions are publicly expressed?
almost definitely. doesn’t mean that’s how opinions should be developed.
by gnarlybattleship on Sep 28, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ur right – I’d say your line of questioning is actually part of the process of distilling quality out of the big box of testiculas
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It comes from lots of observation. A lot of them are needlessly vulgar.
It’s not giving nicknames that makes people stupid, it’s that we’ve noticed that the people that give dumb nicknames also tend to make pretty dumb arguments.
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You say “elitist” like it’s a bad thing…
by general borschevsky on Sep 28, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
high five!
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Rob: Sold.
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Dick: No, we’re not.
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Rob, Barry, Dick: No!
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Rob, Barry, Dick: Yeah…
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MSM hear a lot from other fans
Just listen to the quality of callers on the fan. One guy said this (i’m paraphrasing) to Berger this morning, it was gold:
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by HACKEY17 on Sep 28, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don’t mind listening to Andy Frost’s show after Leafs games. It’s usually a bunch of idiots coming on saying we need to go out and trade for Sidney Crosby, and Andy just sits there awkwardly waiting for them to finish before telling them that there’s no chance and that the caller is an idiot.
Berger is more likely to agree with his callers.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 28, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy Frost does a good job of not roasting some of the dummies that call in.
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that dude has some thick skin. Hes been doing that call in show for a loooooooooong time now and some of the people who phone in are completley out to lunch. Its as if the entire Sun readership phones him every game
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d imagine there’s a fairly big overlap of people who read the Sun, and people who listen to the FAN
And hopefully that’s enough of a set-up for mf37 to come up with another awesome Venn Diagram
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well, Andy works for am640 but your point is well taken.
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Venn Diagram #2
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by mf37 on Sep 28, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Rec’d for awesome title.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon.
Everything wrong with the Sabres is Drew Stafford's fault.
i find it hilarious how unimpressed that dude on the glass looks
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The kids a bust, shoulda traded him for Crosby
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
…something has been eating chunks of my comments all day
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
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yes! i did start them off with quotation marks.
thanks
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testies
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm…. i used quatation marks there. Comment stands, but quotes are gone.
meh, F it.
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The girl is excited but she’s not even looking at the play. What the hell is she looking at?!
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she is watching the play in a mirror that is off screen so she doesn;t have to look directly at schenn and get pregnant
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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Derp faced Girl: That kid’s nachos came with extra cheese.
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by SkinnyFish on Sep 28, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And pretty sure Berger is wearing a soccer jersey…that may well be Portugal (Cristino Ronaldo?).
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by torleafsfan29 on Sep 28, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh my God, I hope you’re saving these in a central location somewhere.
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by The '67 Sound on Sep 28, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I really liked his response to the guy that wanted a 4th line of Orr, Rosehill, and Brown which was basically that it was a little late for one of those guys to learn to play centre.
I would have shot my call screener.
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you are summing of course they have a call screener on Leafs Talk. Who the hell are they turning away if thats what gets through?
by Nigel Cadbury on Sep 28, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
they do, ive tried to get on the show really drunk one night and the screener told me to call back another day when i wasnt so hammered…
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember a few years ago, after a pre-season game someone had called in to the after game tv show, and suggested to Frost that Sundien should be stripped of the captaincy and Stumpy should be made the captain (He was given a tryout, it was after he had left the Leafs). Frost kinda stared at the camera and told the guy that Stumpy had been cut from the team…yesterday, and it was all that was talked about before and during the game. Me and my brother howled…it was classic.
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you know it’s gonna be dousy of a call when the first thing the caller mentions is “i’ve been watching hockey for XX amount of years…”
by Nigel Cadbury on Sep 29, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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What would we do without the MSM? I know I would be totally lost…
Great post…I’ve followed you on twitter and thought I’d check out your blog…
I used that same line on a girl once… didn’t work.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 28, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t work? Crap.
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He works for the Sun so we don’t need to send him a link. He can just read Dave Fuller’s column tomorrow.
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by SkinnyFish on Sep 28, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I’ll just keep lobbing you softballs,k?
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Sep 28, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And a one-timer to the back of the net
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Sep 28, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
we still talking about stamkos?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
talking about the set-up (unintentional) for Skinny’s Sun steals PPP content punchline (see above).
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Sep 28, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
As an exclamation point to the story, Kyle Okposo may be done for the season….
I am Mikhail Grabovski's smirking revenge.
Are the Islanders
cursed or something? Next thing you know, Tavares gets shelved for a season or something…
by Marc Pilgrim on Sep 28, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
@FriedgeHNIC Islanders announce Kyle Okposo out indefinitely, needs shoulder surgery. Is that rink on top of a cemetery or something?
@jnthnreid Actually yes, it’s where Milbury’s career as a GM died
I wish this were happening to someone other than one of the only two teams I feel safe predicting we’ll finish ahead of already.
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by The '67 Sound on Sep 28, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
YES
I felt this same thing more than I thought it..
(Schadenfreude is a a good wakeup call to one’s ego)
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sigh. too bad. i actually thought the islanders would actually improve. well sorry back to top 5 in the draft
Mike Green in regular season- Norris Canadiate. Mike Green in Playoffs- Nowhere to be found
I don’t think that they’ll be too upset.
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yeup, dont they have a butt load of extra picks next year too?
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably. They have a million picks every year
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Then they trade them to go off-board for Calvin de Haan 12th overall
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yup, especially since if they wanted a D they should have got kulikov
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how in 08 the Leafs moved 3 picks to move up and get Schenn, and it was scandalous;
and in 09-10 the Leafs moved 3 picks for Phil Kessel, and it was a disaster
The Islanders moved 7 different draft picks to acquire another 1st rounder after Tavares, and took a guy who wasn’t even ranked as a 1st rounder 12th overall.
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they had first over all, so they could do no wrong
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
im also a big fan of how much Sutter has given up for Jokinen in the past year. What is it… a 1st or two, lombardi, prust, taken on bad salary (kotalik, Higgins) to get rid of him then signed him to another multimillion dollar contract?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss when they had Milbury
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah. cuz he gave out awful big contracts which has set this team back for another 20 yeard
Mike Green in regular season- Norris Canadiate. Mike Green in Playoffs- Nowhere to be found
genuis. pure genuis. i think dipetro is laughing to the bank
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And limping.
Laughing and limping to the bank.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Sep 28, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too… I wish someone would hire Milbury to GM their team.
pure wet dream: the Canadiens
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nah, the sens
I’d love to see him trade away spezza again
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
tavares
still has the best looks on his face
I call this one the ’oh dear god why?"
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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who the heck is the dude on the left…..
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by Matt_Roberts on Sep 28, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe he was a part owner at the time, can’t remember his name right now.
by ShahofToronto on Sep 28, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s in jail now hahahahahahahahahahah
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by PassivelyTruculent on Sep 28, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He also went to White Castle once
And then he made a movie about it.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Sep 28, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever happened to that Boyes kid? I bet he’s a bust.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Sep 28, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Even better
Florida picking 23rd.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Sep 28, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Green in regular season- Norris Canadiate. Mike Green in Playoffs- Nowhere to be found
People who actually don't live in the city do
I’ve often heard everyone who lives in Queens or east of there (i.e. Nassau Country) tend to support the ugly stepchildren of NY sports teams (e.g. Mets, Islanders, Jets), while those in the city/other four boroughs support the Yankees, Rangers, and Giants.
Not sure if it’s true, but…hey.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Sep 28, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
New Yorkers by and large support whichever team of theirs is currently winning.
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It is punishment for employing Milbury for so long.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 28, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
hit him so hard the injury went forward in time
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by JaredFromLondon on Sep 28, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
so in summation;
"I don’t know what it is about me that makes people think I want to hear their problems. Maybe I smile too much. Maybe I wear too much pink. But please remember, I can rip your throat out if I need to."
by Wrap Around Curl on Sep 28, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions
One thing that needs to be said
Is that there ACTUALLY is a certain validity to what he is saying. The ‘mouth breathers’ that we all mock and the typical (not-very involved, loose) Toronto sports fans have been saying idiotic things like ‘flop’ or ‘bust’. (To be fair they are probably being fed that by media idiots). Unlike the examples Chemmy posted (bloggers around here who actually think before they speak), much of Toronto sports fans are blind idiots with zero patients who say that crap.
I would go so far as to argue thats why its necessary for the articles on PPP and VLM to say things like “take a deep breath”.
My feelings on this are split; Toronto fans always speak in hyperbole. When we say bust; most often we don’t mean bust. We mean, he’s busting for our expectations ‘At the moment’.
Even if there are bandwagon irrational fans that are exclaiming BUST for a kid this young, the only people who take those ‘mouth-talkers’ seriously, apparently, are Sun columnists and MAYBE Damien Cox.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Sep 28, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t take the risk, her reaction would cause us all pain and suffering I think.
Bobby Ryan...can he be acquired?
blurr1974: No.
by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 28, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But I’m so sweet…
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I just meant that you might get Sidney Crosby to groin punch us all
Bobby Ryan...can he be acquired?
blurr1974: No.
by Chris Stoikoff on Sep 28, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
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Off topic, but...
…anyone have any thoughts on Cox’s article on Wilson and the D today? The feeling around here seems to be that the defence and goaltending have looked a little shaky in the post-season, and I’m wondering what people thought of Cox’ analysis.
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No problem
Live and learn is what I say.
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Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t see how that quote from the Sun is necessarily directed at bloggers. Sportswriters did write those kinds of articles before blogs existed.
“Leaf land” does not mean bloggers in all cases to me.
You were around before blogs existed?
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I was around before the Web existed.
shock
But seriously though, he seems to be talking about fans in general, not bloggers specifically.
I think what Chemmy is saying is that he hasn’t heard any of these “fans in general” actually make these comments or at least not in the volume being suggested by the article in question. I’m sure it’s easy to conjure up the image of a fan spouting off about Kadri being a total flop in your mind, but I honestly have not heard the sentiment that Kadri is a “bust” from any of the Leaf fans who I converse with regularly – in person or on the interwebs.
Reality does not match up with what is being suggested in Popalis’ article. His assertion that Leaf fans everywhere are filling up their bathtubs with toasters at the ready is absurd.
Let the Wookie win.
It was the chocolate-milk-in-mom’s-basement bit that gave me the impression Chemmy was taking offence on behalf of bloggers, but fair enough. I’m obviously a fan of blogs, and I know that some people in the MSM don’t take blogs seriously, but I do think there are also bloggers out there who are all-too-quick to take offence at every perceived slight.
Yeah…. there’s been a recent flareup in the MSM vs. Blogosphere debate so there’s a tendency to play that card whenever the MSM slips up. If anything I think it’s a subordinate point to the thrust of this blog, which is that the article smacks of scrambling to meet a deadline, fabricating information, and making mountains out of pretend molehills.
Let the Wookie win.
We’re not saying it’s directed at bloggers. Chemmy is saying that there are plenty of fans that aren’t drooling nincompoops.
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He is talking to fans in general.
Do you know fans in general that have called Nazem “bust” or a “flop”
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Sep 29, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s lazy and complete bullshit.
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You mean the article written by George Popalis, right?
If so, I agree.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Sep 29, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Sportswriters did write those kinds of articles before blogs existed.
"Leaf land" does not mean bloggers in all cases to me.
That’s fine but it would still help their article about “Leaf land” if they had some quotes from actual avid fans. Back in the day, before blogs, a few sample quotes from random fans around Maple Leafs Gardens would suffice. But today, the best way to gauge reaction and mood around Leaf land would be to scope the Barilkosphere.
“Leaf land” doesn’t have to mean bloggers in ALL cases, but if it excludes them or is in direct contrast, then it’s a completely innaccurate portrayal.
by general borschevsky on Sep 29, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Pre-seasons stats
Does anybody know of any site that has preseason player stats?
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ridiculous!
Cue the meaningless stat fantasies…. (and parade route planning)
McKegg has a 100% shooting percentage…
and I LOVE that Kessel has zero assists… this guy is so 1 dimensional he’s almost physically impossible!
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Mckegg’s stat line – 82 goals 0 assists.
Obviously not using his teammates enough.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 28, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
if the stars align...
and Bozak, Versteeg and Kessel mature together,
and the 2nd and 3rd lines are good enough to spread the opposition checking,
then Bozak might have an Adam Oates kind of career… That cat was the Bozak to the Brett Hull’s Kessel… assist numbers in the 90s in multiple seasons…
come on stars…
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IF.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Sep 28, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we just ask the stars to let us win the Cup?
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Heh.
Is it all right if, despite the fact that I am not really a Leafs fan, I joined PPP five minutes ago solely to commend this post? Because I did.
This is simply fantastic. In fact, it’s so good, it actually succeeded in consoling me about the slow development of my own team’s high-end prospect (Eric Tangradi).
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Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Definitely ok. We have lots of opposing fans that kick around here because they aren’t jerks.
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I honestly don't care what team anyone who posts here supports, as long as:
a) They aren’t trolling
b) They realize this is still a LEAFS blog, so expect a Leafs bias and keep the Ovechkin vs. Crosby debates elsewhere.
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by nhlcheapshot on Sep 28, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
re: b)
Sorry..
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LOL
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There's an Ovechkin vs. Crosby debate?
Ridiculous. They’re not even in the same universe of talent.
…Kidding. No worries, I’ll be cool.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
Where’s your 10k deposit?
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 28, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The Strawfan
The Sun journalist is using a common rhetorical technique called “the straw opponent” or sometimes “strawman”. I plucked the following serviceable definition off the internet: “The straw opponent (or strawman opponent) is more of a rhetorical device rather than a fallacy. Usually the straw opponent uses weak arguments that are easily defeated by the author, while at the same time meekly agreeing with whatever arguments the author uses to advance his case.”So the hypothetical Maple Leaf fan construct, the" strawfan" is set right by the intellectually superior journalist. No matter that the strawfan does not exist, the journalist has, after all, used his real name. So the strawfan can still sue for libel. Oh yeah. he or she does not exist. How convenient.
by Raja Pakkomielle on Sep 28, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
Logic language (Logikese) teaches that a strawman argument is considered a logical fallacy. You build an image of the opponent and then destroy it; but it is not the REAL image of the opponent. Therefore it’s not a logical argument. You see it on political attack ads all the time, but I’m getting off topic; its my major..sorry…
As I said before, you can’t take the Sun seriously; it’s a tabloid paper. I’m sure most of the Leafs players and brass (the only people whose feelings really matter, IMO) don’t either. The reason I suggest their feelings are all that matter is because the morale and confidence of Kadri will determine whether he’s bust or not. It makes me sick when I see some pinhead neanderthal making up garbage out of thin air.
Yep
Whenever Howard Berger bashes Leaf fans, it what he does, too. I’m pretty sure the Toronto media widely employs this rhetorical tactic.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Sep 28, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If Popalis was here...
He would probably suggest that we at PPP represent a judicious and informed minority whereas the mouthbreathers he refers to in the articles are far more numerous than we care to admit.
He might be right, he might be wrong…
If he at least made mention of the level-headed segment of Leafs Nation rather than casting the entire fan base as knee-jerk nincompoops would we be a little more comfortable with the article? I might be.
Let the Wookie win.
or if he had a single primary quote from a Leafs fan that supported his argument…
Bitter Leaf Fan: because sometimes there's no option but to be bitter...
Yes
If he quoted some Leafs fans or radio callers, etc.
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articles like the one made my Popalis make me NOT want to be a sports writer.
UGH.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Sep 28, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this attitude.
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The future is coming
When guys like Mirtle start writing like this, we’ll have problems.
Joke
by Archimedies on Sep 28, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing Post!
I made a similar sounding comment on the ProSportsDaily Leafs forum about the hockey writers in this town insulting Leaf fans and telling us what we think. I just wanted to let you know that the Leafs forum on PSD has your back.
by scott tubbesing on Sep 29, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
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