PPP Podcast 13
Yes, it's PPP Podcast 13, our first episode since October, 2010.
This was actually recorded on Thursday January 6th so we're offering it to you at a deep discount in case some of the contents might have gone a bit stale.
Be sure to vote for who is the best (not worst?) Leaf.
In episode 13, Chemmy, PPP and I discuss:
Reimer, Gustavsson and what to do with the goalies (very timely, no?)
Colby Armstrong and the Heavy Lifter Index - can he get better? (spoiler alert: MF37 says "yes.")
The future for coach Ron Wilson
Colaiacovo cap hits & injuries; Steen vs. Stempniak (Let's all blame Maurice)
Leafs roster elimination game (rules explained half-way through)
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Grabovski
Based on the season thus far there’s nothing wrong with his game.
A Leafs fan, I've got the dents in my wall to prove it.
Grabbo Grabbo Hey!
History. Leafs. Drawing. In no particular order!
My Portfolio
by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 15, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions
i wonder if we can hire them to kill him
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 15, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I hope his kids aren’t school aged, would be tough to show up at school this year with Lebda as your last name.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
daddy, we’re taking moms last name
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 15, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
- Honey, I’m divorcing you and taking the kids to live at my parents.
- Your parents live in Fallujah.
- I know. We’re still leaving.
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Grabbo is thuglife.
He can take bullet like champion. Kessel not so much, so I vote him.
It looks like he's saying "Kiss me! Kiss me!"
Kessel
Gotta go with Kessel. Hope that doesn’t remove my Certified Grabbo Lover status.
20 miles to Legoland!
I couldn’t click Kessel. Even though I had to.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 15, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
A lot can change in 10 days, as evidenced by Armstrong, so I was rather relieved that our various predictions were pretty good.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Reality
seemed to align well with what we as a group “wanted”… which is nice for once.
It actually did the same thing at the end of last year too – Giguere took over the home starts, and Gustavsson did awesome on the road.
Gustavsson really needs to play less right now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 15, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
When you guys mentioned the HLI
thing and Colby Armstrong, you were wondering if it was on the strength of one season.
If you read the article on Hockey Prospectus, they list the top 10 for each of the previous 3 seasons, and Armstrong wasn’t in the top 10 in ANY of those 3 seasons. He ended up 20th on the combined list.
It wasn’t on the basis of results either, it was totally on the basis of his situational play, where he had a HLI Sit of 6.05, which tied him for the 6th most difficult of guys in the top 20 (alongside Alex Steen).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
You guys hit the nail on the head...
…when you said that Reimer is playing like Giguere did back when he was a good goalie.
My thoughts exactly, and that’s precisely why it’s great that we have Allaire. I’m sure that by working with him he can become that dominant as well. Question is, will he?
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 15, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions
And on the PK subject
did Reimer’s ability to stop the puck on the PK add anything to the mix on the discussion?
Oddly the NHL.com website lists NO short handed shots against for Reimer… I’m trying to get the sv% but apparently that’s not possible right now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Ok now that I looked at the
event summaries for the 5 games he’s started… his PK SV% is .923… does that put to rest the idea that Gustavsson and Giguere have been acceptable while we’re a man down?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 15, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I'd also be curious
to know if Armstrong has jumped up your lists in the Leafs game since this was recorded.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Also
on the Kessel/Grabovski debate…
I’m not sure how it’s possible to say Kessel’s been better for even close to most of the season when he had a horrible stretch that lasted like 16 games… that’s almost 40% of the Leafs’ games this year.
And unlike Grabovski (who was picking up assists at the start of the year even if he wasn’t scoring goals), Kessel doesn’t seem to pick up helpers regularly when he isn’t scoring goals.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Kessel should pass more
Look at all the assists Versteeg has picked up from passing… goalies know Versteeg can snipe so they overchallenge him, leaving themselves vulnerable for a pass. Just look at the Atlanta game…
Most of Kessel’s assists come from others potting in the rebound.
kessel passes plenty, the fact that he doesnt is a myth, also it has a lot to do with being double teamed every time he is in the offensive zone it is hard to get a decent pass through
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 15, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
also comes with having line mates who cant fucking score
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 15, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ok here's a more specific recount
From Oct 21st to Dec 9th the Leafs played 23 games… Kessel had 5 goals and 4 assists, Grabovski had 8 goals and 9 assists.
9 pts, vs 17 points in a stretch that amounted to over 50% of the season so far.
More recently Kessel’s been improved. Since Dec 9th though, Grabovski’s had 9 goals and 5 assists for 14 points, while Kessel’s produced 9 goals and 6 assists for 15 points. They’ve been virtually the same player production wise for the last 15 games….
So realistically over the span of 38 games, Grabovski’s been superior in terms of point production. The Leafs have only played 42 games this year… so to even CONTEMPLATE this argument you’d be arguing that Kessel is better on the basis of the Leafs first 4 games (that nice little winning streak)… which of course also ignores Kessel’s less the stellar effort on the defensive end.
All around, Grabovski has been far more important to the Leafs this year than Kessel… and I find it weird that you guys are ignoring Kessel’s ATROCIOUS +/- number (which is worse than Brett Lebda’s). He’s got a horrible Corsi, he plays weak competition…
Really all he does is score goals… and he hasn’t been significantly better at that than Grabovski this year.
He isn’t the Leafs best all around player this year… at all.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 15, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah
minor correction… Grabovski has only played 14 games since Dec 9th because of his daughter’s birth, so they’re both ppg players… so they’re more identical than I articulated since then.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 15, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Here is the criteria the Kessel vs Grabovski question was about
If you had to shoot one of these players, which one would be spared?
Sorry, but I take Kessel every time. EVERY time.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 15, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
right after I did that, I realized the first part of the question NOT in brackets mentions who is the best Leaf this season…. well shit.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 15, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Your argument is invalid

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by article1 on Jan 17, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Schenn’s having a great season. Who should have stayed in an extra round instead?
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I would have kept Beauchemin. Simply because he sees the toughest competition and his defensive partner doesn’t really do anything.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Me bang rocks. You play defense
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 15, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
That’s fair, it’s just hard to assess a guy who’s struggled at times because the team has asked him to do too much/ play over his head.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Orr was like the 2nd to go.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 15, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
The so-called Leafs Game
Here’s the order of elimination:
1. Lebda (Chemmy)
2. Orr (PPP)
3. Giguere (MF37)
4. Komisarek (Chemmy)
5. Brent (PPP)
6. Gustavsson (MF37)
7. Phaneuf (Chemmy)
8. Armstrong (PPP)
9. Crabb (MF37)
10. Sjostrom (Chemmy)
11. Boyce (PPP)
12. Beauchemin (MF37)
13. Bozak (Chemmy)
14. Kaberle (PPP)
15. MacArthur (MF37)
Chemmy decides to debate the rules…
16. Schenn (Chemmy)
17. Versteeg (PPP)
18. Kulemin (MF37)
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Good job that was entertaining. Schenn’s been my favorite leaf this season, i think Kaberle and him look solid on the ice together. I would’ve had Sjostrom out before Brent (same game but aleast Brent has alittle offensive upside). I like what you guys said about Steen i thought he was awesome for the Leafs. I vote Grabo’s been the best Leaf this season.
by bigrubberbiscuits on Jan 15, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I clicked on the podcast while sitting in front of the TV with my kids. I think it didn’t start at the right spot (maybe it did?), but within about 4 seconds I heard a “Jesus Christ” and “those assholes”. Not a family podcast, apparently.
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just three?
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Follow me I'm Boring!
Devour my Revolution!
by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 15, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
the number gets progressively larger as the pod cast goes on
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 15, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Progress!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 15, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Fair warning: Chemmy’s favourite word is ‘asshole’.
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Heavy Lifter Index
Hey guys, my name is Ryan Popilchak and I’m the one who created the Heavy Lifter Index for HP.
Great podcast, I just thought I’d answer a few of your questions about how Colby Armstrong ranked so high.
For the 3 year ranking (which doesn’t include this season), he was definitely not a guy who made it by putting up huge results. He was tied for 5th in the difficulty of minutes he played but had the worst results in the top 20. Results are made up my socring differential, Corsi and penalty differential.
In 07-08 he ranked 21st, in 08-09 he ranked 32nd and in 09-10 he ranked 108th. The biggest difference between the first two seasons and his third was that his zone start rate jumped from 40% to 47%.
Some themes. His team’s outscore the opposition by roughly 0.5 goals per 60 minutes at evens. He hovers near even at Corsi rate despite ~40-47% zone starts. He consistently draws more penalties than he takes.
He definitely isn’t a player that has proven to light up the net like some of the guys on this list. However, he should be on a matchup line and consitently put up against the opposition’s best.
If you guys don’t want Colby – we’ll glad trade Olli Jokinen for him over at Matchsticks & Gasoline ;)
Ryan
Matchsticks & Gasoline, Sports Opinionated, & Hockey Prospectus. My twitter handle is @sprtopinionated
Thanks!
Oh no, you can’t trick us into taking Olli Jokinen.
Great to get that clarified. Any idea where he’s ranked this year?
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I haven’t done the rankings for this season yet – but it’s coming in a post on HP soon.
Ryan
Matchsticks & Gasoline, Sports Opinionated, & Hockey Prospectus. My twitter handle is @sprtopinionated
one more thing
I should have mentioned that the 3-year ranking is cumulative. There are a lot of players who only qualified 2 out of 3 years. Armstrong makes 20th because he was consistently on the HLI list and definitely had 2 very good years.
Ryan
Matchsticks & Gasoline, Sports Opinionated, & Hockey Prospectus. My twitter handle is @sprtopinionated
Considering how Grabovski is destroying Kessel in this poll, maybe it’s time the Leafs put up a statue of Cliff Fletcher. We can invite Greg Pateryn to the unveiling.
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Only if it’s not on a school night. But Robert Lang isn’t busy these days.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 17, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bumped the FanPosts right off the top of the sidebar, even.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 17, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
We’re playing around with the sidebar.
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Worthy Bump
Kulemin, so hot right now, Kulemin.
Boom Posted!
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 17, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
In a vacuum, I take Kessel. I was leaning towards voting Kessel when I was listening to you guys elaborate on your reasoning, but it was when one of you (I forget who) suggested that you take whoever you guys picked out of the lineup for three games that I changed my mind. ‘Cause hockey’s not played in a vacuum – Grabovski has been part of one of the league’s hottest lines, whereas Kess…just hasn’t. I wouldn’t want to break up the chemistry the Funky Bunch have developed for anything.
[By the by, any of you seen the line-nickname poll going on at Broad Street Hockey? They’re voting on the best nickname for the Hartnell/Leino/Briere line and, with the exception of Two and a Half Men, it’s my humble opinion Clarkey Mark and the Funky Bunch are infinitely better.]
great podcast..but I couldn’t tell who each person was speaking
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by Future_considerations on Jan 17, 2011 5:52 PM EST reply actions
Did you listen to the start?
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i’ll relisten to that again
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by Future_considerations on Jan 17, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Rule of thumb:
Talks the most: Chemmy
Talks the least: PPP
Other guy: MF37
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Took me about two podcasts to figure it out.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 17, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Rule of thumb I've picked up
Giggling: Chemmy
Talking leading into music: MF37
Other guy: PPP
Smoke Weed Every Day.
This is the first podcast I've listened to
And maybe it’s just me, but that’s not how I pictured you guys sounding. Not that it’s a bad thing I guess just reading comments I have a certain way in my head how I think you sound and I’m never right. I did the same thing with Bill Simmons the first time I heard him too. And is it just me or has anybody been pronouncing Chemmy with a CH sound not Kemmy? Or have I just not had enough to drink tonight?
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
And the more I listen the more PPP sounds like Kirk Hammett to me
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
That was definitely the case when we put out the first few podcasts, everyone seemed to think we didn’t sound “right.”
I still mistakenly call Chemmy CH-emmy. Don’t know why I still stumble over it.
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Cool
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I’ve done that with most of the people I’ve read first, then heard. Text is such a shit means of communication for so many things.
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by puckurgently on Jan 17, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
I pronounced it similar to Chemistry, so Kemmy.
Kulemin, so hot right now, Kulemin.
Boom Posted!
by PassivelyTruculent on Jan 18, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I cannot hear that song without thinking about you
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 18, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
Such a good album…“Rapping To You” is one of my favourite tracks of the year for sure.
Like sacrificial virgins, we all burn in different ways. You are a fast explosion and I am the embers.
Absolutely right on a “great save” where goalie is out of position. Just like the posts are a “goalie’s best friend”. Bull. Puck hits the post, that’s because I screwed up. It’s just not a goal because I got lucky.
Ron Wilson: What’s changed from Jan 31st last year to now? Maybe not results, but talent. Not world-beaters, but the talent is better. That said, I’m not in the fire Wilson camp.
Given the player criteria is right now, vs. in the future, Grabbo easily. Taking play vs. expectations, Grabbo by a country mile. Three years from now, we’re talking Kessel.
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by McCabe the Martyr on Jan 18, 2011 3:21 AM EST reply actions
The Leaf Game
Agreed with pretty much every pick Chemmy made, except I think that Schenn should have lasted longer than Versteeg, on the strength of Verbeauty’s brutal struggles at the start of the season.
Otherwise, the only quibble I have is that Beauchemin went too early. He has had some horrible giveaways, and I’ve been among those giving him grief for those miscues, but he has put in a large number of minutes against tough competition with not appalling defensive results.
Bozak, on the other hand, has clearly failed to take the next step this year and has often been invisible or worse for long stretches of play.
I think the results of the final poll would’ve been different, maybe a LOT different if Kessel could’ve managed to have scored just one goal against Boston this year.
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The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
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