If we don't think of the future, who will? (Leafs Trade History, Brian Burke edition)
Editor's Note: Daoust has put together a great fanpost looking at the moves Burke's made to bring in young players and draft picks.
A couple of years ago I decided to compile a list of all Leaf trades going back to the Pat Quinn regime. JFJ had just been fired, Grandpa Cliff was in charge (sort of), and people were worried the old guy was up to his old ‘Draft Shmaft’ ways again.
I realized over the holidays that it’s been a while since I’ve updated the database, and definitely not since Brian Burke took over. Given the trade winds blowing, not to mention the recent Fabian Brunstromm blockbuster, this seemed like as good a time as any to update the list and take a look at exactly what Burke’s been up to from a trade perspective since he got here - with, as is always the way with me, a particular interest in draft picks moved. (Note I’ve only looked at Burke’s trade history in this post, if you’re interested in the full history, you can check it out here and here.)
So here’s the list of all trades made during Burke’s tenure, with a tally of draft picks moved in each transaction:
| PICKS | ||||
| Toronto traded | Toronto Received | Partner | IN | OUT |
| Conditional 2010 6th (not traded - May didn't re-sign) | Brad May | ANA | 0 | 0 |
| Nik Antropov | 2009 2nd Round pick (Ryan) | NYR | 1 | 0 |
| Dominic Moore | 2009 2nd Round pick (from Carolina - Blacker) | BUF | 1 | 0 |
| Richard Petiot | Kolzig, Jamie Heward, Andy Rogers, 2009 4th (later taken away by that turd Bettman for no reason). | TBAY | 0 | 0 |
| Pavel Kubina, Tim Stapleton | Garnet Exelby, Colin Stuart | ATL | 0 | 0 |
| Anton Stralman, Colin Stuart, 2012 7th round | Wayne Primeau, 2011 2nd Round | CGY | 1 | 1 |
| 2011 3rd, 2011 2nd (from Cgy) | 2010 2nd Rd (our own - previously traded to MTL for Grabovski; MTL Traded it to Chicago for Robert Lang ) | CHI | 1 | 2 |
| 2010 1st (Seguin), 2010 2nd (Knight), 2011 1st | Phil Fucking Kessel | BOS | 0 | 3 |
| Jimmy Hayes | 2010 2nd Round (Ross) | CHI | 1 | 0 |
| Jiri Tlusty | Phillipe Paradis | CAR | 0 | 0 |
| Jamal Mayers, Matt Stajan, Niklas Hagman, Ian White | Dion Phaneuf, Keith Aulie, Frederic Sjostrom | CGY | 0 | 0 |
| Jason Blake, Vesa Toskala | JS Giguere | ANH | 0 | 0 |
| 2010 5th Round (Wagner) | Mike Brown | ANH | 0 | 1 |
| Joey MacDonald | 2011 7th Round | ANH | 1 | 0 |
| Lee Stempniak | Matt Jones, 2010 4th Rd (Grubauer), 2010 7th Rd (Jones) | PHX | 2 | 0 |
| Alexi Ponikarovsky, | Martin Skoula, Luca Caputi | PIT | 0 | 0 |
| Martin Skoula | 2010 5th Rd (Carrick) | NJ | 1 | 0 |
| Chris Didomenico, Viktor Stalberg, Phillipe Paradis | Kris Versteeg, Rights to Bill Sweatt | CHI | 0 | 0 |
| 2010 6th Rd (Ragalski) | Chris Peluso | PIT | 0 | 1 |
| 2012 3rd Rd | 2010 3rd Rd (Olden) | LA | 1 | 1 |
| 2010 4th (Grubauer) | 2010 4th (Granberg), 2010 5th (Brodin) | WSH | 2 | 1 |
| 2010 7th (Kellen Jones) | 2011 6th | EDM | 1 | 1 |
| Mikhail Stefanovich | Fabian Brunstromm | DAL | 0 | 0 |
| TOTAL | 13 | 11 |
This chart summarizes the draft pick movement, by round:
| Rd | In | Out |
| 1st | 2 | |
| 2nd | 5 | 2 |
| 3rd | 1 | 2 |
| 4th | 2 | 1 |
| 5th | 2 | 1 |
| 6th | 1 | 1 |
| 7th | 2 | 2 |
| TOTAL | 13 | 11 |
As you can see from the above charts, Burke has made 23 trades since taking over two years ago. I have no interest in actually doing the research to back this up, but I'd be surprised if there were any GMs that were more active than Burke during this period. The chart also indicates that Burke has brought in 13 draft picks via trade, and has moved out 11 (note: picks that he traded for but then subsequently moved out are included in both numbers). And while he’s down 2 first rounders as well as one 3rd in totality, he’s up three 2nd rounders, and up one 4th and 5th . (The tally would also have been 14, not 13 in, if Bettman’s Wheel of Justice hadn’t landed on ‘over-the-top retribution’ when dealing with the Jonas Frogren contract issue.)
Burke has been accused by some (ie almost everyone) of attempting an ‘acclerated rebuild’ – ie making moves with an aim to becoming competitive now as opposed to waiting patiently for draft picks to perhaps, maybe one day, become pros in a few years time. Looking at the draft picks moved, it’s hard to see how people would come to that conclusion. Sure, we’re down two first round picks, but we're up 2 picks in totality, and we’re also up one 22-year old 35-goal scorer with 3 years left on his contract. There's no guarantee that Kessel will re-sign here, but there's also no reason to believe that Burke won't try to sign him to another 5-year deal once this one has expired.
In any event, we know that we’re up a couple of picks under Burke, but when are we going to feel the effects of this draft pick movement?
| IN | OUT | |||||||
| GM | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 |
| Burke | 2 | 8 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 3 | 2 |
So Burke was up 2 picks in 2009 (versus when he joined), up another 2 picks in 2010, square in 2011, and down 2 in 2012. Given this distribution, I guess there is technically some validity to the claims that Burke is more interested with success now than 5 years from now. But seeing as the 2012 picks were a 3rd and 7th rounder, it’s not overly concerning. (And given he only has a 5-year contract, I’m not sure why anyone would be surprised that he’s trying to get results prior to his contract expiring?)
In addition to the picks Burke has moved, I also wanted to take a look at the ‘prospects’ that have come and gone via Burke trades. His draft pick movement doesn’t seem to indicate mortgaging the future for immediate success, what about his ‘prospect’ movement?
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In |
Age |
Out |
Age |
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Luca Caputi |
21 |
Jiri Tlusty |
21 |
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Bill Sweatt (Rights) |
21 |
Jimmy Hayes |
21 |
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Chris Peluso |
22 |
21 |
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Phillipe Paradis |
19 |
Viktor Stalberg |
24 |
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Keith Aulie |
20 |
Phillipe Paradis |
19 |
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Matt Jones |
24 |
Mikhail Stephanovich |
21 |
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Fabian Brunstrom |
25 |
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23 |
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23 |
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25 |
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23 |
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22 |
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Jussi Rynnas |
23 |
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The players in the upper half are ‘prospects’ (loosely defined as players 25 or younger) moved via trade, and you can see that it’s basically a wash in terms of prospects in vs out… the number moved is basically identical, and despite Viktor Stalberg having a quick start this year in Chicago, there is no one on that list that is currently looking like they’re going to be a game-breaker.
Below the prospect list (shaded in gray) you’ll see the prospects signed by Burke via free agency. There are six of them, average age 23 and a bit, and all of them have at least shown some promise of being able to contribute at the NHL or AHL level. So on top of adding a 22-year old 35-goal scorer on a long-term contract, and bringing in more draft picks than he moved out, he’s added six prospects to the previously barren cupboard via free agency . Technically, these moves are designed to improve the team now, but given the ages of the players signed, it seems ridiculous to me to accuse Burke of not thinking of the future at the same time. If even one or two of these players end up being a significant contributor to future Leafs teams, that’s almost as if Burke had his own private draft that no one else got to participate in. If the Leafs were 3 or 4 spots higher in the standings I don’t think so many fans would be so oblivious to the progress he’s made.
The Kessel Trade
Despite the thoroughness of this site in discussing all things Leaf, the Kessel trade really hasn’t been evaluated in fulsome enough detail for my liking, so I’m going to add some additional commentary.
While it’s true the Leafs traded two firsts and a second to Boston for Kessel, and tracking of the trade (including my own) has begun including Jared Knight as one of the principals involved, that’s not entirely accurate.
In order to have our own 2nd round pick to trade to Boston, we had to get it back from Chicago first. Remember, this was the pick we traded to Montreal for Grabovski, which Montreal wisely traded to Chicago for Robert Lang’s exploding Achilles Tendon. To get the pick back, we traded our own 2011 3rd as well as Calgary’s 2011 2nd .
I’m hesitant to give ammo to the ‘The Kessel trade set the Leafs back 5 years’ camp, but the reality is that that trade actually cost us two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Four picks. Had the trade never been made, the Leafs wouldn’t have had their own 2nd rounder in 2010 to pick Jared Knight…. Chicago would have. And the Leafs would have been sitting on Calgary’s 2nd this year as well as their own 3rd.
Whatever though… I still like the trade, and I love Phil Kessel. If you don’t, you’re a bad person.
The Phaneuf Trade
I don’t think there are many people that would argue that Phaneuf is living up to his substantial contract (and perhaps just as importantly the captaincy given to him this offseason.) That being said, ignoring hindsight evaluation, I’m not sure how anyone could justify NOT making that trade at the time. Any player with a $6.5M cap hit represents a potential risk for sure, but every trade of substance is a risky one. It’s not every day you have the opportunity to add a 25-yr old former Norris candidate that has scored more goals than every defenceman since the lockout, for a bunch of spare parts that you know would never be part of a truly competitive Maple Leaf team. Passing on that opportunity, regardless of how it’s turned out so far, would have been a failure on Burke’s part.
Lee Stempniak – F*ck him
Given how he was performing at the time – and how Steen and Colaiccovo were not - I was actually excited about the initial Stempniak trade with St Louis. And even though he never lived up to his potential here, I still wouldn’t have been averse to signing him to $1M contract to play on the 3rd line. Then he had to go and score 40 goals in 10 games after he was traded to Phoenix and make us all look like foolish assholes, so fuck him.
To many, the return we got for him seems light when you look at the initial transaction – Matt Jones, a 2010 4th rounder, and a 2010 7th rounder. However, if you look a little further, Burke turned around the 2010 4th rounder into another 2010 4th rounder plus a 2010 5th rounder. AND he then turned the 2010 7th rounder into a 2011 6th rounder. So we actually got Matt Jones, 2010 4th, 2010 5th, and 2011 6th for Stempniak.
Ok, that still sucks. Fuck Lee Stempniak. Then laugh at him for being on pace for 38 points this year, his lowest total since his rookie season. (True story: when I started writing this earlier this week that number was 34; then that prick went and got a goal and 2 assists last night to bring it up to 38. F*ck him.)
That’s all I’ve got for now. Burke has certainly been a busy boy, perhaps in a few weeks time he'll have given me reason to update this again...
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As always, nice work Daoust (and bonus points for the nice formatting of the charts. Yours always look fantastic and mine look like one of my kids drew them in crayon on the walk to school).
That said…a few quibbles:
I think you need to weight the picks-in/picks out column. All picks are not created equal. A first round pick is worth a helluva lot in today’s NHL and I don’t think any amount of 3, 4 or 5th round picks make up for one.
If Sweatt goes in the “in column” he should likely also go in the “out column.”
Fabian Brunnstrom as a prospect? Canuck please. You up for a side wager as to whether he’s re-signed by the Leafs when his contract expires in June?
I wouldn’t have pulled the trigger on Phaneuf and I suspect that I’m not alone. It would NOT have been a failure on Burke’s part to pass on that deal. That’s a huge contract with a very long-term for a guy who was decidedly in decline on both sides of the puck. And who knows what the Leafs could have netted for the pending UFAs that went to Calgary?
Loved your take on Stempniak.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
I agree on the picks in/out column. I was thinking about this as I read the post as well.
It’s a tough thing to weight of course, since these are kids are often without actual NHL experience (and for many, we don’t even have a name), so we can only speak in terms of averages and probability when it comes to the value of a 1st versus a 2nd and so on.
I was thinking it might be a good idea to use the average number of NHL games played by players selected at a given point in the draft. You’d have to assign brackets to the draft class, and this might be somewhat arbitrary, but let’s say for the sake of argument that you made a list like this:
Players drafted
1 – 3
4 – 10
11 – 30
31 – 60
61 – 90
etc.
I don’t have the average number of NHL games for players drafted in these kinds of brackets, but perhaps daoust does somewhere.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
So let’s say players drafted 4 – 10 end their career with an average of (pulling numbers out of the air here) 400 games, meanwhile someone drafted 31 – 60 has an average of 200 games, even if we acquired two of those second rounders, the likelihood we wind up behind in games lost to trading.
Just spitballing here.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
There’s always Scott Cullen’s article on the likelihood of a draft pick getting to 100 NHL games:
http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?ID=267960
1 – 5 96%
6 – 10 74%
11 – 15 54%
etc.
Lies. All lies.
by betterforsome on Jan 17, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
My initial database was started as a simple ‘in/out’ tally, but given the stats I have on the success rates of various picks by round, that’s probably not a bad idea. In any event, that was the purpose of putting the tally by round though – obviously Burke being down two first rounders is more significant than him being up a 4th and a 5th.
You’re probably right on Sweatt. Brunstrom was a stretch for sure, probably shouldn’t be on there.
I put the line about Phaneuf just to bait you!
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Ha.
Working on the weighting of the picks now, I’m going to update it shortly….
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For some reason the fanpost goes all f-ing whacky when I try to add in a new chart. I’ll try again later, but here’s what I did:
I’ve applied the probability, by round, that a pick will go on to play 200 or more games in the NHL (using the 95-05 window from my draft database as the reference). The probability for the first round as a whole is 57.2%, so 2 picks x 57.2% = 1.14 potential NHLers. When I apply the weighting across all picks, you find that Burke’s pick trading has put him down the equivalent of 0.53 potential NHLers. Given that he got a Kessel out of all this pick trading, that’s a pretty good return.
If I change the first round pick probability to 81.1% – the probability of success for top 10 picks – then Burke’s pick trading has put him down the equivalent of 1.01 potential NHLers. Worse, obviously, but with Kessel as the return, this is not an unreasonable management of picks.
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I thought Burke’s formula was top 6/bottom 6: finish in the bottom 6 and give up a top six draft pick.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
I actually put it out twitter a few months back…was just reminded of it now.
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All picks are not created equal. A first round pick is worth a helluva lot in today’s NHL and I don’t think any amount of 3, 4 or 5th round picks make up for one.
This is funny as I’m sure a successful team such as Detroit share’s this view when they picked their franchise players in the 1st round. Not only this point but what about the point that not all drafts are the same but we can overlook that to make our point that we want to make no matter how wrong we are.
I wouldn’t have pulled the trigger on Phaneuf and I suspect that I’m not alone. It would NOT have been a failure on Burke’s part to pass on that deal.
I think you’re in a small group along with Mr. Hindsight on this one, sorry.
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He was pretty skeptical of the Phaneuf trade when it happened.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 17, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is funny as I’m sure a successful team such as Detroit share’s this view when they picked their franchise players in the 1st round.
Yes, exceptions do prove the rule don’t they?
Not only this point but what about the point that not all drafts are the same but we can overlook that to make our point that we want to make no matter how wrong we are.
Wha?
I think you’re in a small group along with Mr. Hindsight on this one, sorry.
See your first point about exceptions. And as I said one year ago:
I hope Phaneuf finds his game, I hope Giguere maintains a .900 sv% and I hope Kessel becomes a 40+ goal man. But if JFJ taught me anything, it’s that hope is not a strategy.
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1st round draft picks have inherent higher value, than 2nd, 3rd,4th, etc round picks, regardless of the draft year. Just like a 2nd has higher value than a 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc…but less than a 1st.
Even the author of this post can admit that.
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 17, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome article man.
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by happiergilmore on Jan 17, 2011 12:27 AM EST reply actions
/Chuckles
Phil Fucking Kessel
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by happiergilmore on Jan 17, 2011 12:30 AM EST reply actions
Favourite part of the article
Then he had to go and score 40 goals in 10 games after he was traded to Phoenix and make us all look like foolish assholes, so fuck him.
Burst into laughter! Two thumbs up for this Fanpost.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 17, 2011 12:34 AM EST reply actions
Great piece, man, and I love that you went all the way through the age thing too. Just a question:
I don’t think there are many people that would argue that Phaneuf is not living up to his substantial contract (and perhaps just as importantly the captaincy given to him this offseason.)
Should that read "I don’t think there are many people here that would argue that Phaneuf is living up to his substantial contract? I’m pretty sure that would be considered the minority position.
Time to link this to all the hack-writers’ troll-babies.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
No he didn’t. He got it wrong.
There are indeed many people who believe that Phaneuf is not living up to his contract. The contract implies a dominant defense guy who scores a ton, and Phaneuf has not been dominant, and has not scored a ton. Ergo, Phaneuf is NOT living up to his contract, and Many people believe this. Saying you “don’t” think there are many people who would argue this is wrong.
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by betterforsome on Jan 17, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
now we need someone to write up a “in and out” comparo for all the intangibles Burke has traded and signed for
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 17, 2011 1:05 AM EST reply actions
The whole ‘accelerated rebuild’/mortgaging the future thing is mainly to do with the Kessel trade, I think – with such a lot going out all at once, people perceive that Burke’s not interested in the picks. His own words probably have a bit to do with it as well.
Of course, your exposé here suggests otherwise – nice work.
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A few years ago Scott Cullen looked at he vale of draft picks and concluded that
First-round picks may be the only ones to be considered likely to reach the NHL.
Guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, if they make it at all, tend to be of the 2nd or 3rd line variety. I think this is where the “average” Leaf fan is upset about picks, especially with big wholes on our first line.
Ultimately, I love Phil Kessel as a player, and the youth on our team is pretty exciting. But just as I think it’s erroneous to confuse youth with potential, it’s also a mistake to assume all draft pics are equal. But the fact that Burke essentially got a wash from the first 3 rounds AND got Phil Kessel is pretty cool.
good post.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions
that is true.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Also
Aki Berg was a first round pick (third overall).
by theninjagreg on Jan 18, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
shouldn’t matt ;lashoff be on the list?
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by Future_considerations on Jan 17, 2011 8:52 AM EST reply actions
PPP Overlord malfeasance?
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by Future_considerations on Jan 17, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting post, and pretty cool to see Burke’s entire body of work as Leaf GM charted.
That said, I think MF37 makes an excellent point regarding the value of a 1st vs any other pick. I thought I remembered seeing a post about the relative value of draft picks in the NHL, so I went to Google… There are posts that show that first rounders make up about a third of the league (2nd rounders are about 14%), and another (referenced by VRN above) demonstrating the Incredible value of high picks (ie top ten first rounders).
I also came across an ESPN chart that uses a point system to valuate draft picks in the NFL. I don’t know anything about football, but it’s a similarly-sized league with a similar depth-of-draft. According to the chart, a second-overall pick is about five times more valuable than a top second-rounder. Interesting stuff. Does anybody know if something similar exists for the NHL?
I’m hurt that so many people have forgotten about my draft database / analysis!
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Obviously, SBN has to work on their Google page rankings … Yours might have been what I was thinking of!
yeah me too…
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 17, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I googled Chris Peluso to see if he’s related to former Norris Division foe Mike Peluso and it turns out he’s his nephew.
He’s also 24, 25 in August 2011 (not 22) and doesn’t appear to be active. He finished at Bemidji State University in 2010 and isn’t listed on the Leafs AHL or ECHL rosters, nor is he on the Leafs list of 50 SPCs. He also wasn’t among the players invited to any of the Leafs rookie camps.
Anyone know where Peluso is?
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i did a search also, theres no trace whatsoever after 09/10..
unless someone wants to get even more forensic’y and start wading through chris peluso facebook and twitter accounts?!
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by Future_considerations on Jan 17, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea why he was ever in our system.
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Wasn’t it just a courtesy thing for being able to dump Skoula? I think I remember that when he traded Poni to Pittsburgh, they threw Skoula in because Burke said he could get rid of him, and he’d throw a pick back the other way.
I remember someone here said something that Peluso wouldn’t amount to anything that was the likely scenario.
Although I could be on crack, but that seems to be what I remember.
Leaf fan in Edmonton.
Yeah
I don’t know why they had to do that but Peluso was always going to be nothing.
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I remember why it was.
The deal was Poni for Caputi and Skoula, but Pittsburgh knew Skoula was getting flipped to New Jersey for a late pick, so there was a deal that we would give them a pick that was one round later than whatever we got for Skoula. We got a 2010 5th rounder (Sam Carrick) and sent Pittsburgh back a 2010 6th rounder (the Leafs didn’t draft in the 6th round of 2010).
BUT the problem was that you can’t just send a pick over for nothing, and we didn’t want to give up the sixth before NJ gave us the fifth. So we gave Pittsburgh the sixth and they sent back Chris Peluso (drafted 7-194 in 2004), who was filler in the deal. Burke, on being asked what the deal was regarding Peluso, said he didn’t even know that Peluso’s rights had come over, and later revealed that it had been worked out because the league didn’t like “something for nothing.”
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
by Bower Power on Jan 17, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
awesome stuff as usual.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 18, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions
Rec’d, rec’d and rec’d. Outstanding fanpost, sir.
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by Sergei Puckizin on Jan 19, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions
Agreed! The trip-spaces after each period are a pet-peeve, but the overwhelming quality of the content is more than enough to make me turn a blind eye.
Cheers!
Ha, I hadn’t even noticed that. I think something happened when I wrote in Word and copied it over. I’m a two-space guy.
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Next, you’ll be indenting each paragraph, too.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Single space fo life, all you suckas wasting your time with extra spaces.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
This is an incredible fan post
I took some of the stuff you did and added a bit to it and am making a fanpost. I am going to give you full credit for (1) the data, (2) the original charts (I took yours and added to them, and (3) for the idea of writing it. If you are still at all offended or think it is stealing your work I will take it down and email you my excel charts so you can post it if you like.
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Great article. I wasn’t upset about losing any of those prospects in the out category, aside from DiDomenico. I remember reading an article about him rehabbing at the practice facility, and he just seemed like one of those guys that would be more than happy to give his left nut to play for the Leafs. Can never have too many of them around.
At the threat of being lynched, I still don’t think Kessel was worth it. I mean, I don’t know if it’s just the way he is with the media but he seems kinda… vacant in interviews. And yeah, he’s suffering because he needs an elite setup man on his line, but seriously, -15? Dude, play some defense once in a while.
+/- is not a very relevant stat. Sure he is the worst +/- on the team, but a lot of that falls on the other 5 players on the ice as well as him. You can’t expect him to prevent every goal that goes in when he is on the ice, can you?
He is on a bad team, when the team gets better, his +/- will come up.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 29, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
also
If we keep starting Reimer and he keeps playing well, you will notice that the team +/- will stabilize.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Jan 29, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Think what you want but don’t use +/- as proof of whether a player plays defence or not.
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