A little too quiet
by birky on Jan 22, 2011 7:01 AM EST
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Unfortunately, there isn't much Leafs news to report on this morning. The Buds do expect Fredrik Sjostrom and Mike Brown back in the line-up tonight against Washington on HNIC. While Sjostrom hasn't been very noticeable this season, Brown has won over many with his tenacious forechecking and willingness to sacrifice his body. Colton Orr is also a possible scratch after banging his head on the ice on Thursday (you'd think a guy who takes punches for a living couldn't possibly have a brain to concuss, but go figure) The most compelling storylines of the day, however, are going on elsewhere in the NHL. Will someone claim Nabokov? Will Cory Clouston get fired? Have the Thrashers really lost 130 million in five seasons?
Discuss at your leisure and remember to check out the links after the jump...
Saturday links:
The signs of the hockey zodiac
New DGB
Don't put too much stake in Giguere trade scenario
Maple Stirrup asks that you lower your expectations
Rick Vaive: Not just a 50 goal scorer
Vintage Leaf Memories has a good piece on the Leafs great
New pics at Vintage Leafs
Thrashers have lost $130M since 2005
The G&M reports. Shoalts must be licking his chops
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Komisarek in trouble with the law?
Law enforcement sources tell us … the 28-year-old defensive powerhouse was named in a police report filed by a woman who claims the whole thing went down after Komisarek decided to lift her up in the air at a Hollywood nightclub.
We’re told the woman claims she demanded Komisarek put her down — but he refused — so she slapped him in the face.
The woman claims Komisarek immediately set her down … and then punched her in the face, causing her to bleed.
The woman claims Komisarek left the club … so she went to the cops. We’re told investigators are hoping to speak with the NHL star as soon as they get the chance.
So far, no comment from Komisarek’s camp.
Maybe he thinks attacking some one will do for his career what it did to Grabbo’s since Vancouver?
Also, LOL at “defensive powerhouse”
20 miles to Legoland!
That defensive powerhouse thing made me think it was a joke, but it seems somewhat serious, if you can believe tmz
It's all over the interwebs, whether it's truth or not is unknown....
but it seems the accusation is “legit” as TMZ gets at least.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno guys, TMZ is pretty legit as far as celebrity gossip goes. They broke Michael Jackson’s death.
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Ya I have no idea about TMZ, this is one of the only times i’ve needed to reference their work. Just don’t follow the hollywood scene, yo.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I used to indulge in celebrity gossip, so I feel confident in saying that TMZ is one of the better institutions, for whatever that is worth
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or it might be a gold digging chick
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by Future_considerations on Jan 22, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
“wow, you play for an NHL team and make 5 million dollars a year?”
HE HIT ME I WANT A ZILLION DOLLARS
i think thats what he ment
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
yes thats what i meant
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by Future_considerations on Jan 22, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
More importantly, how does this help us get him off the team? Maybe there’s a clause in his contract about bar-fights with girls, or appearing on TMZ?
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without knowing the details of his contract, he’d have to go to jail and miss significant time to cancel his contract
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
THROW THE BOOK AT HIM, ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON (his fists)
Just kidding guys, this is some real ass shit.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
When Khabibulin was convicted of DUI, I remember MC79 had a post about how the Oilers might be able to use that to get out of his contract. I can’t find the post now though, so I’m not sure what grounds he was basing that on.
by Draglikepull on Jan 22, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Most contracts
for any job include stipulations about conduct unbecoming the organization as an excuse to stop paying … nix the deal etc.
Maybe she was a brian burke plant? Just kidding.
This seems remarkably similar to the Grabovski accusations from Vancouver. How many of you honestly think a 6’4" 220 lb plus NHL D man would suddenly punch a woman in the face… I mean… I’m not saying he’d never punch anyone, but in the face? That seems excessive.
I think the whole thing seems a little cooked up since she LEFT the bar and then reported it to police… why would the BAR not report it to police? How would that NOT attract attention of others in the place? Unless it’s normal for giant 6’4" dudes to punch chicks in the face in LA… in which case who knows?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Komi never punches anything..
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by happiergilmore on Jan 22, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I also find it weird that he'd punch a chick in the face
make her bleed… and then “leave the bar”… like the bouncers wouldn’t do anything? Nobody called the cops? Seriously? She had to go to the police and tell them herself? Seems a bit weird to me.
They want to “talk to him” nobody said he’s being charged with anything.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Also, why is this only coming out now, considering the incident would have had to happen about two weeks ago.
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by whyevenbother on Jan 22, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently
the police aren’t moving quickly on it? i.e. they don’t think there’s a lot to it probably?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
questioning someone
about an incident like 3 or 4 weeks after it happens doesn’t particularly lead to useful testimony or recollections.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
person comes out a week later about something that happened in a bar where she was probably drunk, unless her face is swollen up something fierce they probably dont have any motivation to do so
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
All I’m saying is it’s fishy.
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by whyevenbother on Jan 22, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
without further details it sounds very fishy
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I was trying to think of what punishment he would get for this, has there been any sort of precedent for this in terms of hockey players?
Well
Grabbo pretty much beat the shit out of some guy and his wife(?) in Vancouver during the Olympics.. so ya athletes tend to get away from these things scott-free.
Deny deny deny.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Or more likely
Settle it out of court.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
well, that’s what he was accused of, but did it really ever come out as being true? or was it just some dummy who got into a pushing match at a bar (ive seen people arrested for less, especially when they dont stop and the cops are there) and then they found out he was a NHL player and wanted to cash in? Same goes for this case, while there is probably a seed of truth to the accusation, I’m willing to take Komi’s side against him hauling off and slugging a woman over a nothing slap until its proven otherwise
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
It is hard to imagine Komi drilling some lady in the face. (Especially when we rarely see that kind of passion on the ice. Too soon?)
Come get your duds in order...
“She demanded Komisarek put her down — but he refused — so she slapped him in the face.”
Komisarek never was any good at making passes.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if there was evidence
that Grabovski had actually done that he’d have been charged. The couple tried to sue him for damages in civil court, so I don’t think there was any proof he did anything quite like he was accused.
The civil court tossed out the suit… I don’t think anything was ever proven, so us saying it like he did it is a bit ridiculous.
He was accused of it, nobody proved anything.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
It happened to Eric Lindros in the early ’90s – some woman claimed that he spat beer on her at a bar.
Don’t recall what the ruling on the actual charges was, but he wasn’t punished by the NHL and it didn’t affect his hockey career at all. Unless, of course, all the concussions were a result of bad karma.
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I wonder if this break’s any of the MLSE’s rules of player conduct or Burke’s for that matter
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Haha
I love how we all jump right to “MAYBE THIS WILL VIOLATE HIS CONTRACT”
relax guys, not going to happen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not leaping to that conclusion, nor thinking it. But maybe the Leafs fine him, suspend him.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Possible but doubtful. Grabbo’s precedent for these kind of things…. nothing happened to Grabbo.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I guess it matters on the result with the suit. Has Grabovski’s suit been settled?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
from what I gather it never made it past the “im gonna sue your face off!” stage
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
they filed in court in september, but nothing followed up from that
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
MLSE PR team probably does good work of keeping it under the radar.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
as it would expected
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, maybe I’m being a prude here, but why are professional athletes out at bars in mid-competition season? I understand the need to let loose, etc, but the effects of sleep deprivation and alcohol consumption on recovery from the kind of exertion these guys are putting out are not negligible. Are the Canucks out at bars? Are the Penguins? In 24/7, you didn’t get the impression those guys were ready for a night on the town. Maybe that’s editing, but still. Are these guys doing everything they can to win? Clearly not, if they are out at the bar.
Whether or not he punched the woman in the face is a serious question, but before you can even get there, you have to ask, why was he in the bar twirling her around in the first place?
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
NHL players go to bars all the time, using 24/7 as an example is a poor one, they were probably all under strict orders to NOT go out to places like that
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sure they do go to bars, but it was either edited out or they weren’t allowed to go during 24/7
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Fair enough, but that doesn’t mean they should be.
Grabbo makes the point that his improvement has stemmed from being less of a “trouble” guy. He credits Kulemin with being a good influence. Kulemin is known to be a stay-at-home, family kind of guy.
"He’s great guy, very hard-working guy," said Grabovski. "He’s smart guy, never have trouble. I’m sometimes kind of a trouble guy, but he always takes care of me like my brother."
Are Datsuk and Zetterberg going to bars? I’m betting no. I guess Komi is a plugger so maybe who cares, but while we see “plugger” it’s still a highly physically and mentally demanding role to play, which could be better played with good sleep and good nutrition.
Jared, you’re a police officer, right? (I think?) In my interactions with criminal law (working as a volunteer) a great majority of cases always start with: “we were at the bar, then…” Is that not the case in your experience?
I just think it’s unprofessional. Just because some do it, doesn’t mean they all should.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
not a cop no (but that is the plan) lots of cases do start at bars, mainly because people are idiots when they drink
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly my point. Not a smart choice.
How much longer until you get to be one?
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
until i get hired on, no time line yet, but yeah, just because its not the best of ideas doesnt mean that it isnt the norm for pro sports players
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
grown men with free time to waste don’t always make the prudent choice.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
and money to blow
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
How bad do they want to win? How sluggish were the Leafs by the end of that trip? Maybe a good night of sleep kills a giveaway or two.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
you aren’t wrong, I’m just saying even if teams have curfews (likely only on nights before games) I doubt they can ‘babysit’ millionaires with free time on road trips.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I’m less upset about that because helicopters are so cool. Maybe if they had planned it for daylight hours, or just after dinner?
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I get what you're saying
but these guys deserve the right to blow off steam, just like everyone else.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
To clarify
by “blow off steam” i mean go out to bars, not punching women in the face.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Video games, then?
I get that it happens, but I would be interested in seeing the difference in road trip behaviour between winning teams and losing teams. Or maybe, winning teams and mid-pack teams, because maybe teams at the bottom of the standings would be, at a certain point, less likely to stand for that sort of thing.
When the Leafs win the Cup, Komi can twirl all the ladies he likes,(as long as they are ok with it, obviously) but the question every athlete has to ask themselves is: am I doing everything I (legally) can to win.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
thats the thing though, everyone is different, being couped up in hotels night in and night out with the same guys can drive you crazy, some times people, especially social butterflys need to get the hell out. socializing at a random bar is actually GOOD for some people and probably some NHL players
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I need a bar night every once and a while, and not for alcohol, but to get out of the house, socialize and have a good time. Otherwise I go stir crazy.
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Ok, I can see I’m not winning this argument, so I will concede: NHL players go out to bars regularly, and it might not be such a bad thing, and it is probably not preventable anyway.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
It was brought up early asking if the Canucks or Penguins are out hitting the bars. I know many stories from during the season where the Canucks were out partying right after games, same with the Caps, in the last 2 years or so. The Sens also were very frequently out at the bars during the season they went to the finals. I’d say it’s a pretty frequent practice, and probably not a whole lot of variance among the teams.
I think it was just last week where one of the coaches (can’t remember who) joked about not wanting to give his team an extra night in Montreal for that reason.
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by BetterThanBester on Jan 22, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I know the Pens were at a bar after the playoffs last year
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pat kane was being picked up from a bar during the cabbie incident
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Hockey Players
go out and drink after games? How shocking.
This is normal behaviour for them right up through junior, NCAA, or wherever they’re playing before the NHL. They’re prototypical, testosterone driven, 20 something males… unless they’ve got families, they’re going out to drink after games.
When I went to school in Kingston, the Frontenacs were notorious for going to house parties, bars, etc. I actually knew a girl that was basically part of a rather disgusting situation involving like 12 of their players. These guys DON’T change drastically from one stage to the next, and to expect them to is a bit ridiculous.
The biggest difference is they suddenly have millions of dollars and can afford to do this kinda shit in nicer bars.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, for guys like Komi that play in Toronto, it must drive them crazy that he can’t go out much because people will recognise them
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that *they can’t go out
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that's ridiculous
Leaf players go out to bars… I’ve seen numerous leafs at bars in Toronto.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I used to see
Darcy Tucker at Scallywags pretty regularly… and Brad May was there often also… they drink during the season, and in the off season a lot of them are partying at their summer residences (when they’re in offseason training!)…
seriously… this isn’t abnormal… the abnormal part is punching a chick in the face (if he actually did it).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
they didn’t go out after the game. they played the next night in San Jose
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
ok
so they went out after practice? is there a huge difference?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
my point still stands though… a lot of hockey players like to go out and drink.
I don’t think there’s an inherent problem with that.
It’s the punching a woman in the face that’s an issue.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone who doesn’t think hockey players are getting smashed all the time is crazy. It’s part of the lifestyle, like banging tons of random chicks. These guys are alpha males with millions of dollars. They run the show.
Like sacrificial virgins, we all burn in different ways. You are a fast explosion and I am the embers.
by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
that’s true, but I’m sure they’d have to restrict going out more than they would if they were in smaller markets
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Agreed, but then again we aren’t quite as tabloid here in Canada…unless it involves Paris Hilton.
I’m sure we’ve all been out somewhere and seen an NHL player.
And the first thing we ever say is, “Hey, guess who I saw at the bar last night?!” It’s never, “You know who’s stupid and irresponsible, Mike Komisarek. He was having beers with his friends after a game.”
And to be honest, who hasn’t gone out for a few too many after one of our rec hockey games?
Like sacrificial virgins, we all burn in different ways. You are a fast explosion and I am the embers.
by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve never met an NHL player :(
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meeting famous people
is an overrated experience.
They’re people that get paid a lot to do a job in front of a lot of other people.
They aren’t inherently cooler, or more interesting in person.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
But we care about them, that’s what makes it different than meeting a random individual. We have something already invested in members of our favourite teams.
Like sacrificial virgins, we all burn in different ways. You are a fast explosion and I am the embers.
by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
but in a lot of ways meeting someone famous ruins that impression you have.
Reality often doesn’t align with the fictions we create in our mind.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I would much prefer
to meet and get to know someone BEFORE I know they are famous… you don’t have all the mental baggage that goes along with your prior knowledge.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. But no one should feel guilty for thinking meeting a member of their favourite team is a cool experience.
Like sacrificial virgins, we all burn in different ways. You are a fast explosion and I am the embers.
by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
fair enough… I wasn’t trying to make people feel guilty…
I was actually trying to let a person know that has “never met an NHL player” that it isn’t a big deal and they shouldn’t worry about it.
Don’t know where the guilt thing came from.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
but in a lot of ways meeting someone famous ruins that impression you have.
But if the person you’re talking to hasn’t had that ruining experience, you seem super cool.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
which person is “the person” in this statement?
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Some friend or attractive person.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I work at a camp up in Algonquin for the summer and I was at a bar on day off and met Corey Perry.
Highlight of the summer.
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by happiergilmore on Jan 22, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
If any employer told me how I’m allowed to spend my free time I’d be furious.
I understand they shouldn’t be getting drunk as shit and attacking people (probably shouldn’t be getting shitfaced at all during the season) but more for health and fitness reasons than anything.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t like the idea that the PPP brain trust will be at the Loose Moose tonight, they should be focused on writing Samsung sponsored game reviews.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
But
Won’t they be more awesome/hilarious if the review is written while at the loose moose?
I sense an opportunity for synergy here.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
That would be great.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I plan to lift PPP above my head and spin him around
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Hit him with a Death Valley Driver.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
True, but while you’re on the road with the team does it count as you free time? Plus, these teams have put a substantial investment into your career and development. I think they do have a right to expect certain things in return.
by Robert James on Jan 22, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing? He became awesome. Maybe this will scare Komi into actually being a defensive powerhouse.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 9:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
punching Hab fans…it gives you superpowers!
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Craziness…and a really weird sequence of events (if true). Who refuses to put someone down? And I get the impression he was just lifting her under the armpits or something? Drunk Komi must be the Hulk.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
If she admits to hitting him doesn’t that nullify him hitting her back? Nevertheless its a jerk move to hit a woman.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Haha if a chick slaps you, that is not carte blanche to punch her in the face. Didn’t your mother teach you anything?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well not a punch in the face that’s an extreme response to slapping but what would you the acceptable reaction be according to the law.
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I don’t know how big the girl is, but Komisarek is pushing 245lbs, most of that muscle. He should take every godamn hit from a woman like a man and walk away.
Unless she draws a weapon, I doubt many women are any type of threat to Komisarek.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe she asked him to put her down closer to Phaneuf?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
In Canada, the acceptable response would probably have been for him to walk away. The defence is section 34 of the Criminal Code. But it’s only a defence if it is an unprovoked attack (in this case it wasn’t as he spinned her or whatever), and if the force he uses is no more than necessary to enable him to defend himself.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
At the same time, isn’t likely that if he really did rear back and take a shot at her in the face, that it’s not likely that the average girl is just going to walk away from that, drunk or not? I’ve seen some pretty big guys get dropped by one shot in a bar and need attention.
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by BetterThanBester on Jan 22, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
No
particularly since she accuses him of picking her up without her permission in the first place. That constitutes assault.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
$130M lost in 5 years?? Great stuff Bettman. For the love of God, contract the league already. You gave it a shot, but the experiment failed. Communism doesn’t work, esepcially in the Southern US.
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I’m not sure how I feel about the relocation thing anymore. I used to buy the “move teams to Canada” sctick hook line and sinker, but some time on SBN has exposed to some different points of view. It’s not a black and white issue, lots of gray area. Also, let me stress, this is armchair analysis. I consider myself an intelligent guy, but I have don’t have any serious formal training in economics, sports or otherwise.
First off, just because a team is in the north doesn’t mean it will be an automatically successful team. Case in point: Ottawa lost money last year. A an arena built in the middle of nowhere, in a fareweather market whose main success has a lot to do with proximity to Montreal and Toronto.
I think Ottawa may also be a great case study for showing that “on-the-ice success leads to off-the-ice success” is not true. The team has had “on the ice” success that Atlanta, Columbus, Phoenix etc would kill for, and they’ve had this success in Canada, and yet they lose money in bad times. Actually, what are bad times? The team had a 12 game win streak and made the playoffs last year!
That said, and with all due respect to Travis Hair and other Coyotes fans, the Phoenix situation is a joke. I can’t beleive how much public money is going to baillout a hockey team, in a state like Arizona. The people of Glendale should torch that arena, it might save them money in the long term. And how “successful” can the Coyotes ever be? It’s almost a guarantee they will lose money in bad times.
But what about the US National TV deal you say? Well, do the Senators and Oilers combined mean as much to the Canadian National television deal as Toronto or Montreal? You hear stuff like “only 10 teams actually make money.” I’m guessing Toronto, Montreal, NYR, Chicago(from now on), Philly, Boston, Calgary, Vancouver, and San Jose are consistently on that list, and that Detroit and LA come and go.
These teams may make money if the NHL imposes a hard 30million dollar salary cap. As far as i’m, concerned screw that. The players make millions of dollars for teams in big markets, they don’t deserve to get screwed to fund shitty teams in the desert (whether that desert is Glendale or Kanata). And if big market / deep pocketed owners want to spend money to field a more competitive team (and make more money on endorsements/gate etc) than let them.
Impose some sort of soft cap/luxury tax to funnel money to the poorer teams, and impose player contract limits (like they did with ELCs) so that small market franchises can take the time to earn money and build competitive teams.
Anyway, I gotta take my lunch now. I went to the Brunswick house last night (I know, it’s shameful, but me and the Lady went for someone else’s party I promise) and am really exhausted. Just killing time at my ghost town bank spending time on PPP.
to be fair, he said “contract” the league, not move team to Canadian market
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
True. I wan’t trying to correct daoust, just going off on a tangent.
However, “where they can make money” is a pretty difficult thing to assess. If the salary cap is 10Mil, they might all make money (there wouldn’t necessarily be a lowering of ticket).
Contraction combined with a luxury tax system would probably result in a league where every team can make money, but you can still build a team, and the players are still paid an amount of money in line with the revenue they generate.
The NHL will do everything it can to keep the US based teams in their current markets until they sign a new TV deal. Once that happens, I don’t think it should shock anyone if a team like Atlanta move back to Canada (although I’d guess KC would be the #1 choice). A profitable team in Canada would be much more enticing to other owners than a money losing team in the US (think revenue sharing).
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I was thinking that too. A few American cities will be the driving force of the US deal, and then you move teams in bad American markets to better ones (in the USA or Canada). I think eventually someone will pony up the money to payoff MLSE and then put a team in Hamilton or Toronto, because it just makes too much sense for a team to be there.
I also think MLSE has every right to push for some sort of compensation from the leauge for putting a new team in it’s backyard, but that is another discussion.
I just feel bad about contracting teams that have never really had a legitimate chance, like Dallas, due to terrible ownership.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Dallas?
They won a freaking Stanley Cup… they’ve been a perrenial playoff team for years… how have they not had a chance?
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I read it wrong first, too. I believe Dallas was used as an example of a team that has had a legitimate chance.
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by Bower Power on Jan 22, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, whoops. Dallas is the one with the real chance…not Phoenix, or Atlanta, or Florida, or Tampa Bay, even.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Tampa Bay?
also had a cup… and an MVP… and a Goal Scoring leader… twice… and has the best young star in the NHL… they have had many chances.
Florida made the Stanley Cup Finals… couldn’t maintain it.
Atlanta is the one that’s had the weirdest and worst time of it.
Columbus is having similar problems.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Tampa has had terrible ownership, too. Just as the fans were coming on for real they blew it. But the franchise hasn’t really had that shot—management and ownership blew it for them.
Florida “couldn’t maintain it.”
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
“A chance,” to me, is sustaining winning seasons. 3+ consecutive playoffs (See: Nashville’s uptick in attendance, Dallas, etc)
Tampa Bay: Cup win, LOCKOUT, 1st round exit, 1st round exit, DNQ, DNQ.
Hardly sustaining winning seasons.
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I was going for “ownership and management that successfully and intentionally sustain winning” but that works too, I guess.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s not enough to intend to win, though, unfortunately. I think the best example is Atlanta – a team that’s had Savard, Kovalchuk, and Hossa, but couldn’t build a freakin’ team around them.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
They made the playoffs
three times in the last 6 years, won a Stanley Cup, and in the interim got to draft Stamkos while retaining Lecavalier and St. Louis…
I really don’t see a problem with this particularly.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
oh and Hedman
yeah I’m not following the “they had no chance” thing.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Sustained winning != playoffs, stanley cup, lockout, playoffs, suckitude, suckitude, probably playoffs. or whatever it was, plus bickering owners and a GM/coach roundabout.
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by red army line on Jan 23, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
I take issue with some of your implications, if not your facts.
Before concluding, with your Kanata=desert=Glendale statement that “they don’t deserve to get screwed to fund shitty teams in the desert”, maybe it would be prudent to note that Ottawa does not feed from the revenue sharing trough that you would have us believe.
Maybe they don’t have an in-house mint, but they contribute more to HRR than 18 NHL teams, all of which are in much larger markets, including Edmonton and almost including Calgary. Maybe if we had as many oil companies and as few taxes as those two teams, we’d be even higher on each list.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
kevin_mcgran
#Leafs Jay Rosehill called up. On ice for pregame skate that is open to public
Maybe no Sjostrom?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions
I’m ok with this, I generally think Rosehill has done a good job his job well up here, as long as he understands he has nothing to prove he is effective.
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by Maniel Darois on Jan 22, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Rosehill and UPS on the same line? Yes please.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I imagine he’ll be a big energy guy with Brown’s return. I don’t think the Caps employ a fighter like Orr per se
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’m very okay with this, considering it likely means no Lebda.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
sweeeeeeeet
I’m hoping for another rampage like against Boston
by Holidays in the Sundin on Jan 22, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Tough to say how things will go tonight.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
the Lebda section should be larger
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
In reality, it shouldnt exist at all
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
true, we focus too much on a terrible player for the Leafs who play is limited by it
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
nah, i just think burke shouldnt have signed him because be bblows
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
well, that’s obvious. Isn’t that Poulin’s fault?
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 22, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well it’s just the only thing that ever turns out exactly how I expect it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I do hope that we don’t start the game off with another softie like last game, though. That bad-angle shot was just… ugh.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Despite the fact it was on our net, I thought the goal was kinda neat as the guy (Sexton I think?) did like a full 360 spin and fell to the ice as he did it haha.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
IR could be like a week though… Evander Kane was on IR for a little bit this season.
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by happiergilmore on Jan 22, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
But I see your point, who’s going to play the last 20 seconds of the PP now?
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by happiergilmore on Jan 22, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
A player on IR must sit out games for at least 7 days. This is at least the second concussion Orr has had this year, and his job is to get punched in the face. I hope the Leafs take this seriously and sit Orr out for a good long time.
by Draglikepull on Jan 22, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t mean that in a facetious “Orr is a bum” way either, I really mean I hope they recognise that two concussions in half a season is pretty serious and don’t rush him back to take more hits to the head.
by Draglikepull on Jan 22, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Oh no who will defend us from the Capitals?
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by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
so your saying the caps offense…..is impotent
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
HAHA! Well played.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Rosehill
apparently. David Steckel might skate through Kessel or Grabovski and concuss them.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
You know who’s awesome? Chemmy.
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that was Skinnyfish and you know it
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, like the restraint.
I expect we’ll see some clever signs at tonight’s game…!
by Shift on Jan 22, 2011 11:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is so goddamned funny
I hope SO hard that the sens put in a claim
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ha! Quick prediction, Cory Clouston gets fired later today.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Bryan Murray steps in as interim until Dave Cameron is available?
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by happiergilmore on Jan 22, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Who knows, but they just lost 7-1 at home…they’re horrible, and they have a two day break in the sked. Seems like a good time to can him.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think they use the allstar break to coach hunt/let the team calm, and if they still blow (read: they will still blow) then he gets the axe
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Could be, just making a random prediction. On of those ol’ feels like it could be gutties.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
They've been horrible
all season long… I predicted before the season began that they were too old, and too shitty to do anything.
Guess what… I was RIGHT…
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of predictions
has anyone else been listening to Bill Watters on the radio recently – that man is doing some serious back tracking on the Grabovski thing.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
So he should. Is he admitting that he was wrong? Or more just saying good things now, also, the fuck’s a radio?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
He's
admitting he was wrong.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Huh, well so he should.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
You heard it here first, people. Burtch was the guy on PPP who predicted that the Sens would be too shitty to do anything.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
lol
I did… I also said Atlanta would improve… despite Kovalchuk being gone… also said I had no interest in Kovy…. argued about it with a number of people…
I said Kulemin was worth more than his contract… and Grabovski…
but then again… I also said Bozak would be capable of more offense, and Phaneuf SHOULD bounce back.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if they make the list available of every team that did lay a claim.
So far the only team we’re sure didn’t is NJD and EDM.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
That would be interesting to see.
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by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
mc79 made an interesting point on twitter:
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Nabokov thing isn’t complicated. Isles will know who else put in claim. That team has priority, IIRC, if he goes back on. So go to team, ask what it’s worth to them for Nabby to get waived again.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ha! I start with a set of steak knives for the training staff. Counter?
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by TheBurnward on Jan 22, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
If the Sens put in a claim
they only get him if the Isles try to trade him or waive him.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like he’s not reporting
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by BetterThanBester on Jan 22, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
post over at silversevensens blaming their fans
why do I find this so hilarious?
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions
Haha
I thought you meant a random fanpost… but a front-paged one? Ouch.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 22, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
They have those?
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by happiergilmore on Jan 22, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
You can say you’re ready to embrace the youthful prospects the team has waiting in the wings
Again, the have those?
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by happiergilmore on Jan 22, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Jared Cowen!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I like this pick because he won a memorial cup, he overcame knee surgery and most of all he’s abig bodyuseless meat sack.
Not many positives on the initial draft analysis.
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by happiergilmore on Jan 22, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
The Senators
have done sfa at the draft since they got Spezza… all of their best players for years have been top draft picks and they couldn’t retain them because their market is crap.
Their only hope was to win a Stanley Cup and that failed… the team is now doomed to playing like shit for the next 4-5 years minimum. Enjoy that run at the bottom readers from Ottawa… your leg? that one you stand on? it’s gone.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
They’re completely oblivious though. When you get stuck talking to them (ugh), they still say how great the team is… but when you ask them to specify who exactly is so good, and point out Alfredsson has 2 years left max, they realize they have Spezza, and try to sell Karlson as being a top notch defender, and that’s it.
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by BetterThanBester on Jan 22, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
He's pretty solid
but he won’t look very good when their best forwards are an injured Spezza and Michalek and some kid named Foligno.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
If Karlsson is not a top-notch defender, then explain how he has more goals than the entire Leafs blueline.
There are so many ways to rip on the Sens that one would hope you guys could maybe flirt with rationalism and still get the job done.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t see anyone tearing down Karlsson here.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
pretty much, shitty teams can have good players
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Honest assesment...
World of offensive skills, makes way too many mistakes in his own end trying to be fancy. Will be a Mike Green-esque guy for you. Not too shabby to have around though.
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I think that’s a higher assessment than what you were going for.
/sticks up for Green
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Green
is a better player than Karlsson.
Karlsson will never be a point per game defender or anything close.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Green
has scored a boatload of goals… Karlsson gets to feed Alfredsson and Spezza and Kovalev … not exactly slices of shit.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Karlsson is second on team points with 27, and tied in goals with Kovalev at 8. I think, offensively, he carries more of the load than Green does.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
on a team
that doesn’t score? sure.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
He's also
already a -21 for his career.
after 2 years, Green was only a -18.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and
don’t forget Karlsson is playing much larger minutes (22 a night) in comparison to Green early in his career… Green was seeing like 15 minutes a game.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Green played in front of Kolzig, Theodore, and now Varly/Neuvirth. In other news, Brian Elliot just took the Sens’ franchise record with 10 consecutive losses.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
True, but at the same time, Elliot also had a franchise record nine game win streak last year.
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by BetterThanBester on Jan 22, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
He also
went on a 12 game winning streak last year didn’t he?
Kolzig was 36 and had a losing record to go with his 3.00 GAA and .910 SV% in Green’s first full year.
In his 2nd full year Kolzig had an .892 SV%, and was replaced by Huet before the end of the year.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
ok the 12 gamer
was the team not Elliot.
losing streaks are about more than just goaltending.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
To put it more succinctly than listing out stats: I think Karlsson is doing well on a terribly shitty team. Green did well on a not-so-terribly-shitty-team. That isn’t to say that I think Karlsson is going to be some sort of legendary defensman, so much as it is to say that Mike Green didn’t go to the olympics had a lot more team support than I think many will going forwards.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
That's probably true
I dont’ disagree… I just don’t think Karlsson will prevent the team from crashing and burning in the next couple of years.
He and Spezza are the only “stars” I see on that team in the immediate future.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Lehner could be something, but goalies are such a crap shoot
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah so far
those assessments are based on his world juniors play (which was far from lights out) and like less than 20 NHL games.
On the same sort of basis we assumed Gustavsson would be the future starter for the Leafs… and we can all see how well that’s working out.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I totally agree. If I were the sens, I’d be blowing the whole thing up. Karlsson would probably be kept around, but Spezza, Alfredsson, Kovalev, everyone gone for a 1st round pick if I could get it.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
Carkner I guess is decent, right?
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
If by decent, you mean he doesn’t punch women in the face, then yeah, he’s a decent guy.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Too soon.
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by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
we don’t really know if Komisarek punched anyone in the face yet either… unlike the Kostopolous purse stealing incident we have no mugshots to look at or charges to speak of.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Kostopoulos was only the getaway driver, while O’Byrne pulled off the heist.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know. I usually only get to see him play one shift per game.
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So you’ve seen him for about half an hour to 3/4 of an hour? Sounds like a long time.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
You'd think
if he was a better player that the Sens coaching staff would see fit to use him more than that over the course of a season.
Unless you seriously think he’s being miscast and would like to see him for 25 minutes a night.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Whoosh.
Bower Power has seen him for a shift more (or maybe .9 shifts more) per game than I have.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well, to be fair, I really only see him long enough to lose a fight to Colton Orr, then get screened for concussions.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
Even though Sens fans call Carkner our only DFD, even they don’t expect him to play more.
Okay, maybe a few minutes more than 15:26, since 3:09 of that is on the Spezzal Teams.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Which brings me back to how nobody considers Karlsson to be a DFD.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Burtch`d
Can we please end this thread now. I hate these right-justified discussions.
Or do I have to invoke a comparison to Hitler
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
You don't
just continue it at the bottom of the page… I would mind it less if people did that.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I would, but I already hate myself for taking this so far off topic.
Karlsson=Ottawa’s best prospect
Ottawa’s future prospects=grim
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and Karlsson is 4 draft years younger (2008 vs 2004). Green’s first NHL season was 70 GP, 2-10-12, in 06-07, when he was 21, older than Karlsson is now.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
In green's 2nd full year
He scored 18 goals… and 56 points… at the age of 22.
Karlsson is 20 and he’s in his 2nd full year and he’s on pace to score about 14 goals and 52 points.
I suppose there’s some similarities there. And he is younger. I still don’t think he’ll ever be a ppg player.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
You won’t get any argument about that from me or anyone else I know.
In fact, anyone who predicts their blueliner will approach 80 points on the season is a little loopy, imo. Green included.
But yeah, nobody is saying that Karlsson is a great defender, nor is he on par with Green as the best offensive guy in the league, but he is a blue-chip prospect who has developed quickly and does represent one of the few good moves made by the Sens in awhile.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Again
almost all of their good draft picks have been 1st rounders… they won’t get good for a while until they have a bunch more of those develop, because the core of their team is in decline.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
their good draft picks have been 1st rounders
Brian Lee and Jim O’Brien just smiled, before putting the rest of that sentence into context.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Since when
have Brian Lee and Jim O’Brien been good players?
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
If p—>q, then q—>p, says optimistic (and logically incorrect) logic.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
insert the That’s the Joke image here
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Are you misunderstanding my point?
I’m exploring their lack of talent from later rounds.
since 2001 their only players to make it to the NHL for a significant period of time, selected after the 1st round are Peter Regin, Brian Elliot, and maybe Zack Smith?
That’s pretty fucking horrible.
Even the Leafs have managed the following: Wellwood, Harrisson, Bell, Pilar, White, Kronwall, Stajan, Mitchell (I cringe when I type that but whatever), Stralman, Stalberg, Reimer, Kulemin, Gunnarsson…
That’s 13 players to your 3? That’s ridiculous.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not misunderstanding you. I simply took a fragment of your sentence, imagined that Lee and O’Brien had taken that out of context, then made a funny about how they were let down upon discovering that you were not talking about them.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
ah ok
flew over my head… I hardly ever think about O’Brien or Lee… doing so made my brain hurt.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
But let me ask you this. Does your argument work best when discounting 2001 itself, when Emery, Schubert, Laich and Bochenski were taken late?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Shit
my bad.. didn’t mean to discount 2001… should have included those.
So it’s 13 to 7… still not so great… that’s virtually a 2-1 ratio.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
and if you go back before that
there’s more like Vermette, Zanon, Kelly, etc.
But the reason I stopped at 10 years is that’s going back like 3 regimes in each case, and the guys doing the drafting and development have changed quite a bit.
So I don’t see much point. What I’m trying to say is, the Sens haven’t done a very good job of getting “project” players to the NHL… or their talent assessment hasn’t been very good.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Laich, Zanon, etc. weren’t really developed by the Sens particularly… so including them wouldn’t make a huge difference to me anyway.
Of the 13 guys I listed for the Leafs, they developed the majority of them, and they broke into the NHL with Toronto.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I think I'd seriously look into
the Sens development program and think about how many guys spend time in Binghamton and make the team… it doesn’t seem like all that many do.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Year 1 and Year 2s etc aren’t always very comparable. Age is a huge deal when the guys in question are young.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
yeah I realize this
and I make the same point myself a lot of the time… but I don’t see him significantly ramping up his production when he hits 22/24 considering how bad the Sens are likely to be when he gets there.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
No, but his defensive game could get better a lot. We’ve seen it with tons of D since the 2003 draft year.
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by red army line on Jan 22, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not tearing down, per se, but underselling?
The Senators have done sfa at the draft since they got Spezza…
try to sell Karlson as being a top notch defender
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
He isn't
a top notch defender… he’s a PP quarterback.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Okay fine then. You guys were just ripping on Sens fans because we all call him a shutdown guy.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
he isnt a top notch defender…YET
he scores a lot of goals, and thats nice, but scoring isnt defending
semantics are fun
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 22, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
That's easily explained
3 of the Leafs D… in fact all 3 of their top offensive D men… are in the bottom 10 in the NHL for shooting percentage… two of them are last and 2nd last. (Phaneuf and Kaberle)… so I’ll make the point I’ve been making around here regularly… BAD LUCK.
It has very little to do with them being worse than Karlsson.
Also Karlsson sucks as a DEFENDER… he’s fine offensively.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, that’s exactly the point I try to make when talking about him, but you said it way better than I could…
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by BetterThanBester on Jan 22, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think this is the case anymore
If you’d asked me at the beginning of the season, I would have told you that the Senators were a playoff-bound team (in fact, I predicted that). I saw how they played last year (well enough to make the playoffs), how similar the roster this season was to last, and thought they’d continue to plod along.
Now, though, I and many Senators fans are coming to the realization that many players on the team are not nearly as good as we had expected they would be, and so the team as a whole isn’t, either. Perhaps long overdue, but people are starting to realize that a rebuild is now necessary.
And if you can introduce me to a Leafs fan who doesn’t overhype the team’s prospects, it will be the first I’ve met.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 22, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
What were your thoughts re: Goaltending, did you think Elliot’s hot streak was something he could repeat?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t think he’d do the same thing, but I thought he’d offer much more consistent goaltending than he has. As it is, it’s been ridiculously up-and-down. I’m of the opinion that the skaters on the team have started getting jaded because they know on some nights no matter how well they play, their goalie can (and likely will) lose the game for them. That’s got to affect the team’s performance.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 22, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
We like our prospects... but "overhyping"
is something we leave to the MSM. For instance, Kadri is a future 1st team all-star… according to far too many people.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Makes me so very happy.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently
Forsberg is thinking of ramping himself up for a return to the NHL… does he have to go through waivers like Nabokov if he returns? because if someone claims him that would be freaking hilarious.
He’s been practicing in Colorado with the injured Ryan O’Reilly apparently…
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If Foppa
makes a come back… I’m 100% in favour of the Leafs putting in a waiver claim on him.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have to
Since he hasn’t signed with any team in Europe
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was
he not playing with MODO at some point since he was last in the NHL?
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently only in tournaments, which don’t count. From what I’ve read or seen anyways.
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He played 2 seasons
for MODO… but last year it was just the Olympics, and nothing this year.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
no wait
last year it was MODO too… he played 23 games for them last year, and played for Sweden at the Olympics.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Here's his stat line
2009-10 36 MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik Sweden 23 11 19 30 66
Still had 30 points in 23 games… not bad for a 36 year old with bad foot problems.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I also find it amusing
that the reference point the AP makes is that Colorado sure could use another forward now that Fleischmann is out for the season with the blood clots in his lungs.
Makes you wonder if any of the teams below the Avs in the standings could use the likes of Peter Forsberg.
Apparently Free Agent Waivers is the new “draft”
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
No waivers since he hadn’t played anywhere this season. Technically a free agent, I believe.
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ok
I understand now… this was part of why I asked… I wasn’t sure if it had to be THIS season or not.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of off topic...
But I am really interested. Anyone here seen the McGill hockey team play this year?
Like sacrificial virgins, we all burn in different ways. You are a fast explosion and I am the embers.
CIS hockey
doesn’t do a lot for me.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
It’s good hockey dude, for sure. Anyways, it’s a pretty tight checking league and there’s this kid named Francis Verreault-Paul who has 28 goals in 18 games. Just wondering if he’s as sick as those numbers suggest. I digress.
Like sacrificial virgins, we all burn in different ways. You are a fast explosion and I am the embers.
I'm sure it's "good"
but it’s about on par with Major Junior at best… probably inferior to NCAA unless you’re looking at the top teams.
I only really watch NCAA or Junior hockey when it’s playoff time… regular season games are only slightly more interesting to me than high school hockey.
I’m not trying to put the level of play down, but I find the scrambly aspect kind of difficult to sit through.
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by Steve Burtch on Jan 22, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Plus you’re not really invested in it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I attended virtually every Concordia Stingers game – men and women – during my time there, but couldn’t care less about the ol’ Alma Mater’s teams nowadays.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Always wanted to watch a UWO game, never got around to it though.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 22, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I have a pass to all Stingers’ home games. I should use it more. Maybe if/when we move to NDG. McGill home games are actually closer now to where I live, but still kinda far in the winter.
A couple season ago I went to see some Montreal Stars (NWHL) games. Anyone who suggests women’s hockey is anything above midget boys level is just trying to be nice. But I know a couple players so it’s fun that way.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the women’s game, at the CIS level at least, is not the highest quality, but I was lucky (read: old) enough to attend during Cammi Granato’s reign. Not many people can say they watched a member of the HHoF play CIS hockey.
Well, I guess Wickenheiser now plays for U of Calgary or something, so that number should at least double in the coming years.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not even on par with major-junior, really. Only the players not good enough to advance to minor pro or the NCAA end up playing in the CIS, and even they are surrounded by guys out of junior B and so on. But they’re typically (a little bit) more mature than major-junior kids, they’ve got better physical conditioning, and the coaching is better.
Still, it can be exciting hockey, although in my experience at U of O, there was a whole lot of garbage in the games. Lots of stupid fighting and senseless penalties ruined what would otherwise have been some really good hockey.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 22, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think the CIS is getting better. Not so much in Quebec, since UQTR’s last run, but the AUS has some very strong teams, and Alberta as well. Probably because of the relative impact of junior in the various regions.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 22, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t seen the Redmen play since Mathieu Darche was a rookie. How’s the team looking these days?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 22, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
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