Battered and Bruised
by JP Nikota on Jan 6, 2011 7:01 AM EST
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PrintThis title applies equally to the hearts of Canadian hockey fans (many of whom are no doubt still sullen about their Junior team's Chernobyl) and to the state of several Leafs players. Most Leaf-related articles today focus on injury updates for Mike Brown, Jean-Sébastien Giguère, and John Mitchell, but Mirtle has gone a step further to bring up a topic that perhaps hasn't received enough attention yet; it seems that the butterfly style of goaltending is much harder on a goalie's knees, hips, and groin than the old stand-up style.
"Every time you go on your knees, you hit the ice so hard," Giguère said, demonstrating by smacking his hands together. "With that force, you can imagine, you’re maybe two or three feet from the ice and you hit it so hard, every time.
"It drives through your bone, hits the hip bone and there’s always a bone spur that’s formed. That can be really, really painful."
There are lots of links today from around the league, so head on over the jump and tack some hackey.
Leaf Links:
On Mitchell, Brown, and Giguere
An update from Mirtle on their respective injury statuses, and a quick look at the Leafs' depth chart at forward. He also has audio from a Wilson interview. There's a good deal of snark there, although Wilson did mention that he hopes Canada wins the WJC, since Luke Schenn will probably depressed for a while if they don't. I guess this audio was before the game. He also mentions that the Leafs will probably call someone else up. Please don't make it Kadri.
On Mitchell, Giguere, and Brown
Jonas Siegel at AM640 has much the same information, but with a few extra quotes from Brown.
Gustavsson Far From Being Satisfied
Well. I suppose that's good.
The Leafs haven’t always been lousy since '67
VLM reminds us (in case by now you've forgotten) that the Leafs haven' always been horrible.
Leaf Musings
Karina ponders away over at Frivolous Ornamentation; the blog trapped in a Piet Mondrian painting.
Nigel Dawes scores four times as Griffins pound Marlies 9-3
Eee. On the bright side, Kadri scored.
Other Hockey Links:
Canada Collapses as Russia Roars to World Juniors Title
Hooo boy. Did they ever. It's not as if this is news to many people at this point, but I had to include at least one link.
Puck Headlines from Greg Wyshynski
Apparently, Daryl Sutter hasn't spoken to his brother Brent lately. He's not even answering text messages. (Snicker.)
IOC Won't Compensate NHL Owners for Olympic Participation
Brian Burke won't like the sound of that.
The Heavy Lifter Index - Behind The Net
An interesting way of measuring the effectiveness of 'shutdown role' players. Check it out.
NHL Power Rankings, Week 13
Why does it seem that the Leafs are always ranked lower than their actual position in the standings? Are the Leafs actually out-performing anyone's expectations causing voters to think that the Leafs are due for a downturn?
Report: Reinprecht to Germany - Litter Box Cats
Yet another example of a player agreeing to play in Europe to get more playing time, and in the process, taking their salary off the books for the team. Here's looking at you, Jeff Finger, Brett Lebda, and Mike Komisarek.
Steven Stamkos Falls During Penalty Shot
It's nice to laugh at someone else's expense for a change.
Post-Crossbar-Post.
Poor Viktor Stalberg.
NHL Capsules
Scores and notes from around the league at The Hockey News.
The Great Blue & White North: Reality
The Maple Leaf Forever tells you to keep your chin up.
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Ugh. Why don’t we have any guys who can win a game of three bar with one shot?
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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2011 7:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
True story
I used to play Tuesday mornings at 6 am with the same ten guys every week; five on five, no subs, no goalies, post=1, crossbar=2. Most fun I ever had playing the game. Stalberg would be our king.
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My .02 about last night's WJC game
http://heroesinrehab.ca/blog/2011/01/06/reflections-on-the-wjc-still-proud-canada/
Yes, I know Bruce Arthur’s version is better (he’s such a showoff), but mine tells you what Dmitry Chesnokov was thinking about in the second intermission.
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There's
nothing to be proud about blowing a 3-0 lead in the 3rd, that silver should be a mark of shame
Couldn't
disagree more. The more you learn about life, the more you learn it’s not the little wins, it’s how you react to the losses.
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We’re not talking about the Leafs here, I hold Team Canada to an entirely different level of expectations.
A lot of jokes last night about how “I went to a Team Canada game and in the 3rd period a Leafs game broke out!”
20 miles to Legoland!
good one
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by Future_considerations on Jan 6, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not talking about Leafs or Team Canada. I’m talking about human beings.
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I’m not talking about human beings, I’m talking about a team. And a tournament. Tournaments are meant to be won. There aren’t any “participation” trophies to be had. Team Canada doesn’t get to react to the loss – they will never play another game as that exact same team Canada.
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this comment is far funnier than people realize…
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Jan 6, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Hahahahaha! I missed that…
/returns to drinking heavily
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one of those expectations would be goalies that can stop pucks.
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by Future_considerations on Jan 6, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, the Russians deserved to win with that 3rd period they put in, I still hate them but I give credit where it’s due.
It still doesn’t make the loss any less devastating.
oh i agree full marks to the russians
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by Future_considerations on Jan 6, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
I’m with you guys, totally deserved and even though I was rooting for Canada it’s good my Europe showed that we still have some hockey left in us at junior level….
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 6, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Well that's a win
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Poor Bronzey.
20 miles to Legoland!
Thank Goodness our future goaltending prospects are awesome
Oh wait…. Marlies get shelled for 9 goals in a row last night. 9-3 Wolves over Marlies.
Rynnas lets in 6 goals on 24 shots, Scrivens saw the other 3.
What a shitty Wednesday that was.
Kadri did score however… so…. small victories?
20 miles to Legoland!
The Marlies have a ton of regulars out injured, and Boyce, Crabb and Reimer are all up with the Leafs.
And they were playing one of the best teams in the league. That’s a tough road to hoe.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Jan 6, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Every goalie has a bad game. I was following the Marlies game on Twitter and Kadri turned the puck over a lot.
The game was out of hand at that point, so I wonder if it wasn’t a case of taking big risks to close a big gap but he should probably stop doing that.
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chansler tweeted that when they were down 6-2, Eakins pulled the goalie on a powerplay. So they were trying some crazy shit it sounds like.
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Anyone else notice Dallas Eakins looks a lot like David Tennant (Dr. Who)?
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 6, 2011 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The guy who does sports on the Edge just said the Russian team got kicked off of its flight from Buffalo to Atlanta. These guys are going to be drunk for a month.
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also a good point he brought up:
why were they going to Atlanta?
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
Somebody reported their flight had connections in Atlanta and DC before going to Moscow.
Clearly they were flying Delta
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“Why’d we have to change buses in Atlanta twice?”
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Don’t ever book a flight with a connection at O’Hare. it’s physically impossible to make it on time.
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Don’t ever fly non direct.
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I had a couple friends come to Australia from Calgary, took them 4 flights and 2 days. Paying a bit extra for more direct routes is kind of a good thing to do
When I flew to Moscow we went Boston to Helsinki on Finnair which was gorgeous. Real glass, real silverware, good food.
Then we had to fly from Helsinki to Moscow on Aeroflot. The plane was older than my grandparents and had soldiers on board who came around and closed all the window shades as we landed in Moscow so you couldn’t see the military planes on the runways.
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If you want to know what torture is, fly from LAX to SYD in a middle seat in coach. As a then-smoker who can’t light up…good times!
I went through two packs of Nicotrol and still was literally running to find a place to light up. Even free booze didn’t help.
So how many litres of vodka do you think the Russian team consumed since around 10pm EST last night? I’ll use 50 as the over/under.
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by torleafsfan29 on Jan 6, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I heard that the most your body can process is 3 shots in 20 minutes, so extrapolate from that and add a few more for good measure
Hrm? 15 hour direct flight from Hong Kong to Toronto with a bad cold or flu in a section of the plane with 4 babies who took turns crying as loud as they could
Get. Drunk. Before. Flying.
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by Chemmy on Jan 6, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was sick as hell, was pretty hopped up on meds before I went to the airport… the airport in HK has body-temp sensors scattered throughout the entire complex and they have people in face-masks and gloves walking around with thermostats taking people’s temps at random… so I loaded up on meds because I was scared I’ll get screened and quarantined and not be allowed to board my flight.
When I came to Hanoi, I flew out of Detroit, so had a two-hour drive, a two-hour flight to Chicago, a two-hour layover, a 14-hour flight to Tokyo, a 3-hour layover there, and an 8-hour flight to Hanoi. Then, of course, it took us an hour to get to our hotel.
Woof.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
OMG YES! Correction: O’Delay is the name of the airport
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (with a lack of stupid boarding penalties!)
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Trying to fly back from San Diego to Toronto via O’Hare. There’s a huge snowstorm in Chicago and the airport is closed, so they send us through DFW. When we get to Dallas, we’re late and the connecting flight to Toronto has gone. After a while, they come to us and say, “Sorry about the other flight, but we’ve managed to get you an alternate. You’ll fly to Toronto with a connection at O’Hare.”
Leaf, the universe and everything.
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Yeah I did that once, had to to take the train and two buses I think to get from one flight to another, got lost, barely the connecting flight in time, we got there on last call.
We flew Toronto-Chicago-New Delhi last year, and I got to my connecting flight at O’Hare while the plane was leaving for the runway. They had to stop it and get us onboard, total movie-style
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Actually I’ve had great luck (touch wood) with O’Hare (I’m with Star Alliance so it’s a shitload of UA/AC flights). DFW, on the other hand, is where my on-time dreams go up in smoke amid people with 10-gallon hats and Skoal.
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by torleafsfan29 on Jan 6, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Star Alliance sounds like some sci fi battle shit.
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Easy connection to Moscow…Buffalo’s airport blows chunks for intl travel.
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by torleafsfan29 on Jan 6, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
They got kicked off for being drunk. A+
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THIS IS AN OUTRAGE HOW COULD THEY
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not going to lie, not a huge fan of the Russians but after that comeback I’m pretty sure any of us would be fucking plastered for weeks.
Also love the commenters on the WGRZ website.
“They’re under 21 and should be ARRESTED!”
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They should enjoy it. That’s what they are doing. Period.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 6, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Don Cherry is gonna flip his shit
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Grumble grumble Euro trash grumble grumble good Canadian kids wouldn’t do that
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The “good ol’ Canadian kids” is bullshit.
Eric Gudbranson pulled an Alfredsson and shot the puck at the Russians as they began to celebrate.
Classy.
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stupid teenagers!
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
Really?
I turned it off after the 5th goal. That’s bad. Also bad: not accepting your medal. Did Ellis actually not take it or what? I heard conflicting reports
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I think he took it but didn’t put it on. I kind of get that.
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What an entitled little shit.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Agree.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Not really
Remember when team USA got silver? Nobody was happy to have it. He probably just wanted all the pageantry to be over with so he could undress and go home.
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That was definitely it. I’ve had that experience/feeling before and it sucks. But you still put on the medal for the ceremony. Then you can go throw it in the trash or crush it with a hammer or whatever
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I think it’s not fair for any of us to really comment on it since I don’t think anyone here has gone through the exact same thing… I mean this is on an entirely different level.
Eh, I mean it’s not the best move, but I find it hard to fault him for his actions, it’s not like he refused to take the medal outright which would be more inexcusable.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Bullshit
He didn’t leave he just didn’t allow it to be placed around his neck. I have no problems with that. Canada is great at hockey because the players understand that the only thing that goes around your neck when you wear a red maple leaf is a gold medal.
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by PPP on Jan 6, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
You still put it on, then you can take it off. Not putting it on at all is innapropriate
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I dunno, I get it. You can argue both ways, I don’t think it’s the classiest move but totally understandable and don’t think it’s really that bad under the context.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t. Fuck it, silver is nothing to be ashamed of. Yeah, I get it, you’re disappointed but you earned that medal.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 6, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
But under the context where you blow a 3-0 lead by giving up 5 goals in a period??
I would be ashamed.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Silver tastes very similar to failure.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I’d rather win the bronze than lose the silver.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
If you’re not first you’re last.
It’s gold or nothing, everything else is terrible.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
If my son was playing for Team Canada, I’d expect nothing less than him to put the silver medal on and be gracious.
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Bingo.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
THIS.
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Obviously I’d rather rather win the gold than anything else.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
hahaha silver lining?
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
more like bronze lining
canadian tears taste good either way
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
with less than minute left in that game our announcers were still saying usa is likely to win, but never count sweden out… this is how badly we’re traumatized
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
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I thought you liked watching Sweden fail.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (with a lack of stupid boarding penalties!)
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oh, i was trying to say that because sweden has so many times won finland by last minute goals, we now refuse to say they’re beaten until the game really is over…
and sweden failing is so much funnier when it against finland. or russia… ;)
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Rauhallista joulua. Ja aivan vitun railakasta uutta vuotta
It seems to be a number of people on this site went to the Coach Riley School of Sportsmanship.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Coincidentally, I’m the guy who wrote the post about “Reality” and that stuff, so this is all just me dealing with this in my jokey way.
by Marc Pilgrim on Jan 6, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Spending an entire night on Twitter & Tumblr making jokes and whatnot about a terrible game = my own personal catharsis
by Marc Pilgrim on Jan 6, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Buddy of mine after the game says
“Let’s go shake their hands”.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
He was wearing his silver medal and holding another one in his hand. I think that’s causing the conflicting reports? Maybe?
It looks like he's saying "Kiss me! Kiss me!"
by fatassjackson on Jan 6, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
That was just poor sportsmanship right there. The Russkies are the Enemy, but no need to do that shit.
by Marc Pilgrim on Jan 6, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
"They’re under 21 and should be ARRESTED!"
Yet I guarantee they were defending Poulin when she was drinking as an underager at the Olympics. “She just won gold! Let her celebrate with her team!”
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A more cogent point is that when the baby boomers were 18 they could legally drink.
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Beat me to it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Baby boomers are assholes. Full stop.
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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hate them so so much, to the core of my being.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
In 5-10 years they are all retired and I start taking my pick of their former jobs. So I guess it’s not ALL bad.
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They’ll just half-ass everything without actually retiring.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Baby boomers are born 1946-64, so that would mean right now they are between 46 and 64. So they’re going to be retiring in significant numbers for much of this decade.
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Get ready for social welfare programs to collapse under their weight, especially as they continue to vote against them.
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HOORAY!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Marge: Where did you get all the money?
Grandpa: The government. I didn’t earn it. I don’t need it. But, if they miss one payment I’m gonna raise hell!
"He should be wearing a Sens sweater" - describing someone acting less than sane or competent. Use it.
Most people are stupid assholes who will vote against their own best interests because they’re easily tricked.
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But that’s the thing there are so many of us waiting to do the same thing, they have been holding things up FOREVER.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Public school teaching positions especially.
But again, I only hate because I’m not profitting from it yet.
Same here.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ah yes, and “all Leafs fans were planning the parade after the 4-0 start”
“All Sens fans are brain-dead bandwagon jumpers”
Any other gross stereotypes you guys want to throw around?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Jan 6, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Sooooooo many
All Habs fans are all riot mobbers. And blackface painters (Subbanator!)
All VAN fans have an inferiority complex and feel constant entitlement.
All EDM and NYI fans are constantly living in the past.
All PIT and WSH fans only started appearing 3 years ago and are all bandwagoners.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Italians are divers
Asians are good at math
Young people use curse words
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
We may be good at math but we’re also bad drivers and like to eat dog.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Oh my yes.
Also people from South Carolina are racist inbreeds.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Panaphonics
Sorny
Magnetbox
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I’ll rec it because I didn’t get it for a while and then I did.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I’m like that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
WGRZ is an American station though so they probably either were up in arms about that or they didn’t report on it at all.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 6, 2011 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ughhhhhhh
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 9:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Anyone else see Atlanta get screwed on a game-tying goal? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNKfkUcqb8
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 9:40 AM EST reply actions
The puck is clearly in the net, why didn’t the light come on? Also, if that puck is in the net, they must have used another puck for the ensuing face-off, so they must have just assumed the other puck went into the crowd somehow
Goalie slyly pulls it out of the net when no one’s looking
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 6, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Pavalec pulls it out of the net himself.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
What a heartbreaking and stunning collapse.
Credit where it’s due, the Russians played like a team possessed in the 3rd.
After the game, the screaming at the camera was kinda crazy and disturbing. The whole thing felt like weird nightmare.
by general borschevsky on Jan 6, 2011 9:47 AM EST reply actions
According to my (Russian-speaking) coworker, they were swearing a lot and saying hi to their moms.
Fun fact: Russian players have moms.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Robot ones though, right?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
mercurial ones
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I didn’t hear swearing just mom, and Russia No1… But I don’t speak Russian that well so…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 6, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
They shouldn’t swear.
I figured many of them were telling their moms they loved them, that’s ok I guess as long as their mothers aren’t evil monsters.
by general borschevsky on Jan 6, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
You win a comeback game like that and you say whatever the fuck you want.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
They were talking about it on the Edge this morning.
The one guy shouts something, it sounds exactly like, if he were talking in English, “I rented a Kia!”
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Russia basically played 5 straight playoff games to win the Gold.
Had to beat Norway to stay alive in the group stage.
Had to beat Czechs to finish 3rd.
Finland in the quarters (came back)
Sweden in the semis (came back)
Canada to win gold (came back)
Unreal.
If Team Canada or Team USA pulled that off, there’d be a movie out by March about it.
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yup
can’t complain about their reaction or celebrations or whatevers, they humilated the Canadians and earned it
Definitely
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Would have been epic had they come back out onto the ice to celebrate further, vodka bottles in hand.
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I think getting thrown off a bus for being drunk is getting pretty close
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I thought they got thrown off a plane?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly I’m only skimming here. Even better if its a plane.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
heh
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No Cubans from their comrades in the Caribbean?
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
If I had just done that I would be swearing a lot too. I’d probably forget to say hi to my mom though
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I had a big chuckle when Duthie said that Ovi “had texted the team” before the game. Remember when big shots used to show up in the dressing room to make big speeches, or called the team to talk to them on the phone? Yeah, now people just text the team to wish them good luck
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Well they were saying Crosby texted the Canadians after the US game so…
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
It still applies…people can’t spare a couple minutes to call people these days?? The hell
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At least it was a text which was more direct, he could’ve twittered them
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Stop living in the past old man, talking on the phone is dead. Txt is the new hotness.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
who uses their phones to make calls anymore lol
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
“Good luck!”
“Uh cool Ovechkin! Wow! You rule.”
“Uh, ok.”
“Ok!”
“Ok.”
“Bye.”
“Bye.”
Always confuses me that people think new ways to communicate means communication is dying. That lazy bum Ovechkin only called them? Why couldn’t he have written a letter?
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What? He stamped his signature on the letter instead of actually signing it? What a lazy bum!
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Jan 6, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Candygram forMongoOvechkin. Candygram forMongoOvechkin.
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Screw that he should have flown in. Face to face communication is the only true method of interaction.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I never said communication was dying. I guess it’s just me and my housemate who found that amusing. You can all keep making fun of me now
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people can’t spare a couple minutes to call people these days??
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Crosby, Yzerman, and Gretzky all gave words of encouragement before the game.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
“Pour it on, first two periods. Then sit back, defend the lead. Always works.”
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
z
This was the first ever WJC game shown live in Russia. There is no way for them to top that.
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They really needed a win after the olympics last year.
They haven’t had a big international win in a while.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
the team Canada collapse in the third reminded me so much of the Ali vs. Foreman “Rumble in the Jungle” fight, and the birth of the term “rope-a-dope”
Russia made it look so easy to come back being down three goals, that I was almost certain it was their game plan all along.
full marks to them for mounting an exciting comeback. they’ve got some special players over there.
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by blurr1974 on Jan 6, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions
they’ve got some special players over there
Most of whom are going to the Capitals:
Orlov 2009 2nd
Kuznetsov 2010 1st
Galiev 2010 3rd
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They also have Eakin, who was the player of the game for Canada. Kid has wheels.
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I like the way that kid plays.
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I only saw the one game of the tournament, so I admit I don’t know much about him.
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I watched all of Team Canada’s games; have to admit I noticed him more in the last two than in the earlier games. Really liked the way he kept his feet moving. A solid puck battler.
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I thought he deserved more points than he ended up with just based on his effort level. Brayden Schenn put up 18 and Eakin put up something like 3 or 4 but I noticed them both equally throughout the tournament
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by Chris Stoikoff on Jan 6, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Heavy Lifter Index Says Army Rules.
- in the League over the last 3 seasons – Colby Armstrong.
Oh oh. Looks like he’s moving out of intangibles, taking over quantifiables.
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions
He’s #20, comment formatting ate that, and that’s for the past three seasons summed. I’d be interested to see his individual seasons because I’d like to see how he’s doing now.
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Agreed – it’d be good to see this year’s numbers. Interesting though, to see a stat that appears to support a higher rating on Army than we’ve seen to date (and isn’t just based on irritation value, etc.)
Also, yes, should’ve been #20 – Armstrong. Formatting did that?
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
If you start a comment with the # sign and a number it starts a numbered list.
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Glad I can at least use the # sign THAT way. Critical.
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
what ever you do
don’t use the secret sign
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by blurr1974 on Jan 6, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
SHHH, it's a secret!
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by blurr1974 on Jan 6, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Ignore Skinny, it starts a numbered list.
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I don’t really think of Armstrong as an ‘over the hill’ player just yet, so hopefully, he’ll be able to regain form.
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Also this metric is showing who plays hard minutes. Most of the guys above him on that list score a lot. Ovechkin is a “heavy lifter” despite playing against softer opposition because he scores so much. Not sure this is the “unsung hero” list.
Alex Steen is about the same on the HLI as Colby Armstrong (#19 vs #20), except this season he’s 38GP 13G 14A 27 Pts compared to Armstrong’s 22GP 3G 2A 5Pts.
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Well, that’s the way it was billed, so that’s the way I labeled it.
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Not attacking anyone personally. If we’re talking objective metrics then they should hold up to scrutiny.
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Armstrong’s HLI res[ults] isn’t that strong – his situation is what got him there. So, from my reading of this, even at his best it wasn’t about the points that he produced, it was that he was defensively reliable.
It does make me think, though: If Armstrong can find that HLI-quality play, and we’ve got Versteeg (I wonder where he placed for HLI last year), that’s already shaping up to be a heck of a shutdown (“C”) line. Get Bozak to work on his defensive zone play, and they should be able to play some tough competition.
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Yeah, a third line with Versteeg and Armstrong is a good one. I’ve never envisioned Bozak turning into that kind of shut-down player, but then, it may be too early.
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I’d like to think that Bozak is forced there out of necessity. #1C, Grabbo, Bozak, Brent/Hanson/Boyce is not bad down the middle at all. But since we’re missing that #1C, it’s abysmal (Grabbo, Bozak, Brent, Boyce/Mitchell). Forcing players down the depth chart by adding talent to the top.
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Good, yet overpaid. Dilutes talents throughout the team by restricting our ability to pay for top tier talent should it be available.
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Versteeg, Armstrong and Bozak = $8M for a third line. That’s a lot of scratch.
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Indeed. Again, the players aren’t the problem, it’s their cap hits.
Towards the end of last season (and throughout the off-season) we talked about how if Burke was going to build this team through free agency, he was going to have to still get the kind of production value that ELC’s do. As of right now, only MacArthur is doing that.
Also, if this were a winning team, poised for a deep run, an expensive third line might be OK. Timing is also an issue here.
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Leafs did a great job with on Grabovski, Gustavsson and Kulemin’s contracts, hopefully they can drive the same value out of Bozak, Schenn and MacArthur.
Management really needs to drive some value contracts to offset the Lebda, Komisarek, Armstrong, Phaneuf over-spends.
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Isn’t that what we said about Burke? Great with RFA and rookie/NCAA contracts. Terrible with UFA contracts. I wonder why the difference?
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No plan B. He needs that guy out of UFA, he’s not going to be beat, and no one else will do the job quite as well. If plan A gets kicked, he definitely needs the next guy.
Just speculation, but Burke seems like the guy who knows how to apply leverage when he has it, and doesn’t like to lose at auctions.
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You keep bringing up this whole no plan B things, I call shenanigans, there’s no way he doesn’t ever have a plan B, it may be a less attractive option but the idea that there is none doesn’t strike me as plausible.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, let me rephrase: “little to no desire to move to plan B.” Understandable, but I mean…3 million for Colby Armstrong? Anything other than league minimum for Brett Lebda?
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I can agree with that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Usually less competition, also with NCAA contracts isn’t there a maximum they can be offered?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
Bozak got the max.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Lots of upcoming RFAs
Bozak, Schenn, MacArthur, Reimer, Brown, Gunnar, Reimer.
If they can do extremely well on those 7 contracts it will pave the way for a bright cap situation.
Kaberle is the only key UFA that could be retained (go team Kaberle4life)… Sjostrom, Brent, Crabb and Giguere can all walk if they want too much money.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Whoops
Also Scrivens, Hanson and Caputi too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Well, yes and no. At least 5 of those 7 will probably be up for raises, so we if we are going to be in a good cap situation, all of those players need to out-perform their deals. I don’t know what exactly to expect, there.
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Strangely, Schenn and Bozak might get a raise that results in a lower cap hit as the Leafs won’t have to account for their bonuses.
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You have Reimer on there twice
Schenn will get a raise in actual salary only; I expect his cap hit to stay close to his current bonus hit.
MacArthur’s earned a raise.
Bozak won’t get much of a raise, and definitely won’t be close to his 4M bonus cap hit.
Reimer, Brown and Gunnarsson will probably just get their QO raise.
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Reimer is so nice I listed him twice.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe the second one is the Reimer statue?
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by clrkaitken on Jan 6, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for Wilson mockery.
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by The '67 Sound on Jan 6, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
So even if we’re looking at a wash, do we really think that any of these guys is going to seriously out-perform their next deal? Hrm… if that’s what Burke is banking on, I don’t like our odds.
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Reimer could.
If Gunnarsson bounces back he also could.
It’s whether the next set of guys, Kadri, D’Amigo, Aulie, etc. outperform their ELCs that will make or break the Leafs in the next few years.
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I almost forgot the fiercesome threat that is Brayden Irwin.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
MEULLER!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Reimer? Nah, I find it unlikely that he’ll be a solid number one. The Goalie Guild recently gave him a good review, but then ended it by saying that he’s in tough to be a first-stringer.
Gunnarsson… is so buried behind bad contracts on D, it almost doesn’t matter.
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Reimer absolutely has a ceiling of a starter. He, however, will not be hitting that next season. Only 4 rookies have started over 25 games and held a .910 or better since the lockout. Even Gustavsson is likely to need one more year of development before we can start asking whether or not he can be a solid starter (only 7 players in their fourth year have started more than 45 games and held higher than .910 since the lockout).
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Whoa whoa whoa
Don’t go making a statue now.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Cement, that shit needs to be made of marble.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I wasn’t expecting him to come in next season and take the job away from Gustavsson. I’m looking further on down the pipeline, here.
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In that case, he definitely has the potential to be a number one. He has stuff to work on, but he was rarely behind the play even in his NHL debut. Good foot speed, good butterfly, good vision. Not much more you can ask for from a blocking style goaltender.
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Well, GG said that his footwork was slow… lemme track down that article.
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This allowed him to keep the footwork "quiet" and have a little more time and space to read plays and square up to shots.
Because he has quiet and calm footwork, Reimer absorbed a lot of shots that arrived in the center of his body.
Yeah, he mentions footspeed as being slow – I should’ve said “footwork” in my comment above.
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No, he says slow
Although I consider Reimer’s footwork to be slow
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I’ll take slow and calm over Gustavsson’s tap dance routine right now.
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Greg Millen thinks he’ll be more successful at the NHL level than the AHL
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
So, just to be clear, if you had your choice, you’d start Reimer over Gustavsson and Giguere (when he gets back)?
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Tonight?
Yes.
Forever and ever?
Dunno.
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The guy rocked Sweden based on his agility. His ability to slow down his footwork and up his positional game is the difference between being “that failed prospect” and “that other Lundqvist.”
I guess what I’m saying is that I’m glad the problems he’s having are the ones we expected him to have.
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Calm footwork is exactly what you want. Remember last season when there was talk of Toskala having happy feet in net?
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Well, OK, but the report suggests that Reimer is too far the other way. Hopefully he can tune it up.
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By the way – link for credit to The Goalie Guild’s review of Reimer’s debut.
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Returning to the larger point, though
The aforementioned group of players may collectively provide decent value for the money, but we’re going to need more players out-performing if we’re going to get enough top-end talent. One more player isn’t going to do it, I don’t think.
Of course, many of them probably won’t be around too much longer, so the debate is probably moot.
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I really do think we’re an elite C and a “good” LW away from being a competitive hockey club (or vice versa).
The other thing is that, if you never have a crappy contract, I don’t think you need people grossly outperforming ELCs. Hell, even with a couple crappy contracts: Without Komisarek’s contract, we would be talking about 12M in cap space for just our two missing top line forwards (see my very, very rough valuation of RFAs below), and that’s even with Phaneuf, Armstrong. and Versteeg overpayments.
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But Komisarek’s contract isn’t going to magically disappear, so we can’t just count that out. As much as there’s a 5% chance we manage to peddle him elsewhere, there is a much bigger chance Burke blows the wad on another poor UFA signing.
Bottom line is that I’m not so optimistic that Burke can cobble together a contending team with the bad contracts he’s already got.
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Here’s the list of goalies who played 60 games in their first two seasons:
Elite company actually, Backstrom, Hiller, Lundqvist, Price, S. Mason, Budaj, Norrena, Gustavsson, Ward.
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Really? I couldn’t tell you anything about him but I’d at least heard it.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
is likely
He may be able to do it – especially since he’s coming from Sweden rather than Junior – and as you and I were talking about before, I’d love to see him get a “starter’s share” of the games for the second half of the season. Just saying that right now, we don’t want to bank on it.
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Goalies come out of nowhere all the time. Reimer is lower on prospect lists because he missed a bunch of time at the end of his WHL and the first two years of his pro career due to injuries. Also, he’s not the most athletic goaltender out there and wasn’t a high pick.
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Jonathan Quick was a 3rd round pick of the Kings out of the NCAA in 2005. He was generally regarded lightly compared to Jonathan Bernier, their first round pick in 2006. Quick didn’t even put up big numbers in the AHL (in fact his short # of games in the minors resembles Reimer). Yet Quick is the guy in LA, not Bernier.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Quick got shelled at UMass too. Definitely didn’t think he’d be ahead of guys like Cory Schneider at the NHL level.
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really? I’ve heard on multiple occasions that Reimer is the most athletic of the leafs prospective goaltenders.
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It's a lot of RFAs
Burke and Nonis have their work cut out for them this summer if they want to shape the cap in a positive way going forward.
I wonder out of all those RFAs which ones are arb eligible.
Oh also Mitchell is in there but I am so past caring if they just let him walk.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
To be conservative: Bozak a gracious 1.5M, Schenn 3M, MacArthur 3M, Reimer, 700K (minimum RFA), Gunarsson 900K (minimum RFA), Brown 800k.
Total proposed cap hit: 9.9M.
Current cap hit: 9.7
Change: +200,000.
And that’s with MacArthur at 3M. He’s an RFA, so he may even get less.
Toss that on to Kaberle and Giguere’s expiring contracts, add in the 3.5M cushion we have right now, and we’ve got 10.25 to sign a veteran 1-year goaltender (1.5M), a 2nd pairing LD (could be Kaberle) 3M, and we’ve got about 6M left to sign an impact player.
Oh man, I didn’t add in Komisarek’s contract. It’s a shame he had to retire, ever since that “accident…”
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
Yeah. +2-3 from the cap raise, and moving Komisarek with a 5th rounder for “future considerations” would be huge. We would basically have our pick of anyone at that point.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
No one is taking Komisarek. Not until he’s a pending UFA at least.
Our only hope is that he stops throwing Gatorade bottle hissy fits and starts playing smart hockey.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think we could move him after his salary drops following the 2011-12 season, but yeah. Extremely unlikely that he gets moved. Regardless, we’re still talking about ~8M in cap space which is almost exclusively reserved for an elite forward or two.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
$8M? Burke can spend that July 1 on Chad LaRose and Chris Higgins.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Chemmy, you’re right. It won’t be Higgins, it will be Ryder.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
It terrifies me that every time you spew one of these names out, I can basically see the press conference unfolding before my eyes. “Bring size to the front of the net,” “win some battles along the boards,” “lots of great qualities in the locker room.”
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
You're also assuming
the cap isn’t going up, which it is expected to by 2-3M.
BAM.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Also
All my expected cap models have us rolling out Gus/Reimer, so save that 1.5M.
If they bomb, so what? We’ve got a pick next year (so far!)
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, fingers crossed.
Fingers even more crossed that Fehr can get us a luxury tax system instead of a hard cap. Hoo boy.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Haha
Now you’re dreaming. Although it might be the way to keep those southern teams alive.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and then we can just Yankee the hell out of that system. I’m not really holding my breath. I really just hope they can avoid another work-stoppage.
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I don’t want to see a luxury tax system,
I would prefer to see teams have the ability to trade cash if they have the cap space, aka what Burke’s been talking about for a few years.
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Perhaps we need to start a new conversation line to get into this, but I’m curious as to why you’d prefer the cash-swapping cap system to the luxury tax system?
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
There’s no strategy to a luxury tax. All it requires is an owners’ willingness to take losses up front for a better than average chance at significant playoff profits. Weakening the effectiveness of the salary cap will not ensure the sustainability of the league.
What I’d like to see is almost an offshoot of the current system where the cap hit doesn’t necessarily agree with the salary being paid. If a team has available salary cap space they can trade cash to another team. The team acquiring cash adds the value of the cash to their cap hit, and the other team adds the cap hit of the player they acquired.
What I like about this is that teams at both end of the financial spectrum can take advantage of this. A team like the Leafs could trade available cap space to the Islanders so the Isles can reach the floor.
Conversely, a team like Colorado who has oodles of cap space could sell cap space to a big-market team like Philly in exchange for a draft pick or a player to help them this season.
To make things fair, maybe put restrictions on the amount of cap space that can be traded for/away, and you can’t trade next years’ cap space.
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The sustainability of the league is something that definitely doesn’t factor into my decision here. It’s selfish, I suppose, but I’m sick of seeing the Leafs lose, and if I had the choice between seeing 4 teams contracted and (an increased chance of) the Leafs winning a Cup, I’d take the latter situation.
That’s not to say, however, that I’d be really disappointed if the league went with your option, or even maintained the current status quo.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Mac and Schenn should be the only RFAs with any real leverage based on results so far this year.
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by The '67 Sound on Jan 6, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t mind Army and Bozak. I agree that without 1-2 more top talent forwards, everybody’s forced to play the wrong game. I mean, Bozak’s just out of college, he gets nailed in the temple and ear, can only half-hear, and they still kept running him out as a 1C?
We need to free up some money from Giggy, Finger, Lebda or maybe Komie… beg/borrow/steal/cook up 1-2 top liners…. then get people playing as and where they should.
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Finger should be “loaned” to some team in Europe. He’s hardly getting playing time with the Marlies as it is.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Still getting paid millions of dollars. Shrug.
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I’m hardly doing anything at work and still getting paid. I’m not too beat up about it.
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me too
/high five
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Jan 6, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but we’re loaning you two to Europe.
Albania.
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Jan 6, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
That’s actually the winner of their strongman competition.
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That’s Miss Alabama. (Not verry gud at spelking.)
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he was injured right now and that’s why he was out?
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, maybe he is. I thought I heard of him getting scratched at some point, and assumed it was still the case.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Armstrong has a good penalty differential this year, a slightly negative zone start and a brutal CORSI.
He must have had really great numbers the last two seasons to crack the top 20.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Two years ago in Atlanta he had that great season. Last season Thrashers fans thought he stunk.
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re-looking at the post, I don’t think it includes this year. I think it’s 2007 to 2010.
Jordan Staal made the three year list and he’s played 2 games this season.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
I’d just like to see the individual year stats. He never cracked the top 10 so it’s not like he was #200, #1 and #184 which averages out to #20 somehow; but I’d bet money his season two years ago is a big driver for where he is.
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Nonetheless moving from “Armstrong is playing poorly this year” to “Why did Burke sign Armstrong?” this at least suggests that acquiring Armstrong based on past performance wasn’t completely dumb.
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Yeah, I don’t think many people were angry that we’d signed Colby Armstrong; it was only the cap hit that really irked us. These numbers just lead us to expect even more of what we did when he first arrived.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
I wasn’t angry, but I didn’t think it was a good signing.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
bitter?
thank you, i’ll be here all week.
seriously.
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Jan 6, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
No, I wasn’t bitter. I just thought the contract was an unproductive use of limited resources.
I don’t think I’ve been bitter about any of Burke’s moves, which is a serious upgrade over the JFJ years.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
:(
you need to change your blog name
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Jan 6, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe when the Leafs right the ship I’ll move to cautiously optimistic.blogspot.com
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Makes you wonder why our PK still blows if we keep bringing in guys who were great at it elsewhere. Versteeg, Armstrong and Sjostrom all came with reputations as great PK guys. Mike Brown?
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I’m not convinced our D is either fast or physical enough on the PK.
I’d even settle for just one of the above.
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if the penalty aversion that gave us the “two hands on the stick” is also stopping us from clearing the net. If I see Komisarek and Beauch try to play goalie like they’ve activated their wonder-twin-powers one more time, I’mma toss a brick at them.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
No shit. They look like 6 year olds sprawling in front of a ground hockey net.
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well, they’re definitely not fast. Komi and Schenn are downright slow, and Beauch isn’t exactly a speed demon, either. Phaneuf moves well enough for a big man, but still not that well. Even Kaberle, who is a good skater, isn’t that quick.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
On the PK, if you’re not fast in your reactions…. not playing tight enough to move your man… then what the hell are you doing again? Seriously. Waving your stick?
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Well, assuming the D has been instructed to keep a tight diamond down low, they shouldn’t have to move their feet too much. Maybe this is getting too abstract, but I think being able to read a play and remembering your positioning are more important than foot speed.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Seems to me you have to be brilliantly positioned…. or have an enormous reach… or have great first and second steps if you’re going to respond to a quick-passing team on the PK.
And I’m not sure our defence are either fleet-footed OR fleet-of-brain.
by not norm ullman on Jan 6, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
There’s a comment here between the lines.
I’m curious to hear your current stance, Chem. Do you think the Leafs should give Ronnie W the boot?
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Don’t know who’s responsible for the PK, don’t know if those guys played with awesome PKers who bailed them out, etc.
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maybe they played with average or better goalies?
When I grow up, I want to be just like Godd Till
by blurr1974 on Jan 6, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Sjobacca had Kipper and Lundqvist – both good
Versteeg had Niemi and Huet – both not good but had Keith and Seabrook on D
Armstrong had…… I have no clue about players on Atlanta
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Armstrong’s first season the team had a .899 overall SVP, 75.96% team PK%.
Second season .911 SVP, 82.19% PK%.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
as in
07-08 .899 SVP
08-09 .911 SVP
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 6, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
In 2007-08, Armstrong led the Thrashers in SH TOI with 3+ minutes a game.
In 2008-09, his SH TOI fell to 7th among forwards at just 50 seconds a game (notably a full minute and change less than the 6th forward).
I’m guessing coaching change…
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
What’s it called when you lift a team downward?
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by SkinnyFish on Jan 6, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup…looks like John Anderson for the 2008-2009 season. Improved the PK, didn’t help the point total
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 6, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the players may or may not be that fantastic on the PK under a new coach, but the coaching question is bigger than just the PK.
Do you think Ronnie W should be canned?
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
If Burke adds two more first liners and the team still blows? Yes.
Until then? No. This team’s faults start with the personnel.
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KEITH FUCKING ACTON
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I remember various advanced stats loved his 08-09, not so much his 09-10. No idea about this year.
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
by The '67 Sound on Jan 6, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Is this really
the first time Steen and Coliacovo have faced us since the Stempniak trade?
Grab ’em for your fantasy team, they are guaranteed in for a multi-point night.
20 miles to Legoland!
2/12/10
Steen 1G 0A +2
Coliacovo 0G 1A +1
STL 4 TOR 0
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Then why the hell are media outlets talking about “the return of Steen and Coliacovo to Toronto”? They’ve already been here since then.
Some media is stupid.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I think the game Chemmy’s referring to happened in St. Louis
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Touche
Maybe I should just stick to my dayjob.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Can’t read, but I assume it is telling us the Lebda will be playing?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Gunnarsson out tonite-lebda in.
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by Future_considerations on Jan 6, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Loss incoming
Brian Burke could sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves.. -Skinnyfish
by Future_considerations on Jan 6, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Go go revolving door of 7th defenseman.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
That’ll shake things up.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
algorithm:
// if win == 1 then
roster = roster
else
roster = roster – defense(6) + defense (7)
end
Fire Ron Wilson!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
The Blind Lobster returns to pinch again
It looks like he's saying "Kiss me! Kiss me!"
by fatassjackson on Jan 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Team Canada could have use McKegg, just sayin.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions
Everyone knows
McKegg doesn’t choke under pressure.
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by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
He swallows pressure up with his giant mouth.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Team Canada could also have used goalies. I hear they help.
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (with a lack of stupid boarding penalties!)
Buffalo Sabres Powerplay: Don't worry, they'll stop their own shots for you.
The fuck’s a goalie?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I heard they somehow prevent goals but I haven’t seen one in years.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Fucking saves, how do they work?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think this ‘saving’ involves a religious epiphany of some sort.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Goalies do spend a lot of time on their knees.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
As expected
jonas640 Jonas Gustavsson will in fact start tonight (confirmed by Ron Wilson).
20 miles to Legoland!
I want to nickname him Reimy like Grimey.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 6, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
The least you could do is learn my name after I took the trouble of learning yours.
Sure thing, Grimey ol’ buddy!
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Lobster?! Lobster dinner?!
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
You’re what’s wrong with America, Simpson. You coast through life, you do as little as possible… and you leech off decent hard-working people, like me! If you lived in any country in the world, you’d have starved to death long ago!
Fire Ron Wilson!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
2012 WJC Groups A and B
Bright side: We might see the CAN-USA New Years Day game again.
2012 IIHF U20 WJHCs in Alberta, Canada Group A, Playing @ Saddledome in Calgary
(1) Russia
(4) Sweden
(5) Switzerland
(8) Slovakia
(11) Latvia
Group B, Playing @ Rexall Place in Edmonton
(2) Canada
(3) United States of America
(6) Finland
(7) Czech Republic
(12) Denmark
20 miles to Legoland!
That’s a pretty tough division for Canada.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I’m not so sure the Swiss are going to be as good anymore now that they don’t have a superhero goaltender (he’s done this year right?)
On the Mike Weber bandwagon (with a lack of stupid boarding penalties!)
Buffalo Sabres Powerplay: Don't worry, they'll stop their own shots for you.
The only real weak team is Denmark. The Czechs are hot and cold. They’re down now but could come out of nowhere like the Russians.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yes! Back in the same group.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
There was talk about it this WJC and looking at the above it makes even more sense, why isn’t this an 8 team tournament instead of a 10 team? Is it just so they can continually rotate 4 teams in and out of the bottom so they get the chance to be royally shit on in the international spotlight?
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Yes.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
dear god no. finland needs to withdraw from that
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Rauhallista joulua. Ja aivan vitun railakasta uutta vuotta
You’ll finish third and get a winnable quarterfinal game.
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unless russia scres up again…
or finland loses to denmark. again
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Rauhallista joulua. Ja aivan vitun railakasta uutta vuotta
Someone’s gotta lose to Denmark…
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
i’d put my money for finland to do that
Мы в любовь играли,
И как кровь из вены капает слеза.
Rauhallista joulua. Ja aivan vitun railakasta uutta vuotta
That’s the spirit.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
If you notice
Hockeysfuture has updated the Leafs’ prospect rankings.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Aww
I fanshotted this a while back and no one commented.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Chucky grew up?
It looks like he's saying "Kiss me! Kiss me!"
by fatassjackson on Jan 6, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
He should melt the medal, and make himself a gold tooth
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Jan 6, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
TSNBobMcKenzie Whitfield (BOS). M.A. Bergeron (TB) and Wilson (CBJ) clear waivers. Commodore (CBJ) on waivers, Valabik (ATL) on re-entry waivers.
$3.75M for 3 more years for a guy who is a healthy scratch on a very thin CBJ blueline, jeez who wouldn’t want to take that! CBJ is going to bury $10M in the minors? I find that hard to believe.
Looks like Burke isn’t the only one who signs stupid contracts.
20 miles to Legoland!
Probably going to try the “Rolston please God someone pick him up on re-entry waivers” thing.
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You can put someone on waivers without sending them to the minors. He’s not playing for them anyway, so might as well put him out there and see if there are any takers. And paying for half of him is still better than paying for all of him if they put him on re-entry.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Jan 6, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
First NHL goal!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Jan 6, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
those pesky islanders won’t play bad though :(
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by Future_considerations on Jan 6, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
this is what happens
when you change coaches for no good reason…
Fire Ron Wilson!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Islanders under old coach: 4-10-3 (32% points)
Islanders under new coach: 8-9-3 (48% points)
Regression to the mean? Maybe. But this is yet another example of how changing the coach can improve a team’s record.
NJ on the other hand….
Fire Ron Wilson!
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 6, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
that was the game winning goal also…lol
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by Future_considerations on Jan 6, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone know
the status on Caputi’s injury?
I didn’t even know he was injured until I checked the marlies site yesterday… anyone know his return? only 11GP…
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