Why the Leafs should (and will) keep James Reimer
After the Leafs 2-1 loss to the Boston Bruins on Saturday night, a game in which rookie netminder James Reimer produced another excellent outing, questions about the young player's immediate future were all the talk. Ron Wilson walked out on his post game press conference over it, and several PPPers (myself included) were dreading the eventual departure of Reimer back to the AHL. After a third solid performance in less than a week, the question of demotion has become clouded. Why would the Leafs send a goalie who has made 104 saves on 110 shots in the past week down?
The answer is that they won't. Find out why after the jump.
Coming out of training camp, there were many who questioned some of the late cuts. Luca Caputi, and to a lesser extent Christian Hanson, earned roster spots with their play in the pre-season. Yet it was veterans John Mitchell and Mike Zigomanis who stayed with the parent club while the kids were sent down. Looking back now, it makes sense. Ron Wilson and Brian Burke have given the benefit of the doubt to veteran players on several occasions, including coming out of training camp last year (Carl Gunnarsson had a great camp but was sent down anyways) and the continued effort to get Brett Lebda into the line-up. Burke even stated that previous experience and production had earned Mitchell a respite despite a dreadful training camp. With that established, it's certainly not folly to expect Reimer to be back with the Marlies when Jean-Sebastien Giguere returns from injury.
But should we really expect him to be demoted? If anything, the goaltending position has caused the greatest headache for Wilson and Burke since their arrival in 2008. From Toskala and Raycroft to Giguere and Gustavsson, the Leafs continue to lack even replacement level netminding. Simply put, the production isn't there. Jonas Gustavsson has been brutal since late November, his GAA hovering around 3.60. And while Giguere had a few decent outings in December, the veteran hasn't played in over 3 weeks. He's already battling back from a second stint on IR and there have been multiple reports that his career is in jeopardy.
The other factor working in Reimer's favor is the job security of Ron Wilson. Two things are obvious: the Leafs aren't going to the playoffs and there's no guarantee Wilson will be the coach come October. With 124 losses in 203 games as head coach, the pressure is on Wilson and he knows it. This team needs to show consistent improvement across the board down the stretch to secure his job for next season. With the most glaring issue being in net, it's the logical place to start. A Leafs team that earns 45-50 points in the second half would almost certainly quiet the calls for Wilson's job. That isn't to say Reimer is the long term answer in goal. Chances are he won't maintain a .947 SV% for the remainder of the season, and given his injury history, he probably can't carry the load for another 42 games. But for all his faults, Ron Wilson isn't stupid. Reimer is hot, continuing strong play from the AHL, and his team needs better performance in net His job may very well be on the line. He's not going to send the kid down unless he feels confident in the ability of either Giguere or Gustavsson to produce similar results. And there has been little evidence over the past 6 weeks to suggest that's possible. Reimer is going to get a longer look as the Leafs netminder than any of us originally thought. Here's to hoping he can take the ball and run with it.
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I think you’re right on the money here. And it could very well turn out to be for the best for Wilson, the team and the kid. He’ll get the chance, now it’s up to him to make the most of it. And chances like this don’t come very often, keeping my fingers crossed for ya kid.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 8, 2011 4:06 PM EST reply actions
You’re reasoning is sound, but if job preservation were RW’s priority I don’t understand why he would keep throwing Lebda out there. I think he has to be either getting instructions from management or drawing up his roster on his own perception of organizational priorities (which don’t necessarily mean simply putting out the best players).
"That’s why stats are so important – anecdotal evidence just doesn’t cut it when you’re talking about history." - Bower Power
RW has said before that he believes Lebda can create offense from the back end
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Yeah, it seems like that’s more a case of Wilson’s analysis being far off. He isn’t getting offence from the back end and he thinks Lebda can do it. What’s shocking is that he keeps doing it.
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by PPP on Jan 8, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
What’s shocking is that he keeps doing it.
Really? It took him 2 years to make a minor adjustment to the worst PK in the league. The guy is not a quick study.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 8, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
He played great last night against the trashers, i expect to see more of him, a couple mental errors, which should be expected out of any goalie with 9-1 lead. Even though playoffs are arent gonna happen this year they need to prove themselves and they should keep ramier cause he gives them the best chance to win right now.
I don’t think keeping Lebda in the line up is much of a vote for them keeping Reimer in the line up.
Also, please say a prayer for the Sudanese killed today in election violence and the people killed/injured by that nutjob in Arizona.
If there was a compassionate god who listened to prayers, you’d think he would have stopped those tragedies from happening, eh?
Keep ppp focused on hockey.
by theninjagreg on Jan 9, 2011 8:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it would be really great if reimer turned into a suprising positive goaltending story for us. we’re way overdue for one of those. like 8 or 9 years by my count.
There will be an answer. Let it be.
That would be sweet. Imagine he ran off a Jim Carey season next year? Weeeee!
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by PPP on Jan 8, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
lord I hope not
Carey might have won the Vezina but his SV% was .906… in fact … his SV% dropped every single season he was in the NHL – for all 5 of them… although I don’t know if you can call 10 and 4 game stints with Boston and St. Louis respectively "seasons’.
I’d much prefer a Felix Potvin rise to reliable mediocrity thanks.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
how the hell a guy gets a .906
SV% and still manages 9 shut outs is beyond me.
He shuts out Montreal twice, then he goes and shuts out Boston, Buffalo, Philadelphia, Ottawa, Vancouver, Tampa Bay, and Hartford. This was 95-96… let’s remember how god awful Ottawa, Hartford, Buffalo, and Vancouver were that year.
He had one good month… March he went 7-3-3, he had a .953 SV% and a 1.13 GAA… how the hell did he win the Vezina?
Ron Hextall went 31-13-7 with a .913 SV%,,,. but he only had 4 shut outs… he would have been a better choice.
Dominik Hasek went 22-30-6 but he had a .920 SV% and 2 shut outs…
Hell Darren Puppa would have been a better choice…
Or Guy Hebert, or Chris Osgood (39-6-5? .912 SV%? 5 shut outs?)
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
THE VEZINA STEVE! Not the stats. The VEZINA. Presumably that would be an entire year of absolutely ridiculous statistics.
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You gotta play the hot hand…points are points, Reimer is earning his opportunity, Gustavsson is letting it slip through his fingers.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 8, 2011 5:13 PM EST reply actions
Seems to me this is a good example of how to develop young players in a positive manner. And so when they are ready to take their shot, you give it to them. The next step is to see how consistent he can be at the NHL level, but don’t play him into the ground. It seems like they did that a bit with Gus. Not that the load was that big (to be a number one, you have to play a similar number of games) but maybe he needs another season of lower work. In which case, a tandem situation could work. Washington has got two 22 year old goalies. Seems ok for them
Assuming
that Giguere’s season is in doubt, this is what I would expect from the Leafs the rest of the way.
Burke AND Wilson both have a history of using tandem’s in net to quite a high degree of success… so I don’t think either one would shy away from a 2 headed goalie monster if they thought it was the best thing for the team.
Gustavsson getting fewer games could go a long way to evening out his play, and if Reimer keeps doing what he’s doing, they could be a solid duo going into next year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
“Seems to me this is a good example of how to develop young players in a positive manner. And so when they are ready to take their shot, you give it to them.” Exactly.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Jan 8, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re kind of mis-characterising the early season roster decisions somewhat. Burke may say they go by the “body of work” theory, and to some degree they probably do, but the main reason that Caputi and Hanson were in the minors and Mitchell wasn’t is waivers. Caputi and Hanson don’t need to clear waivers, Mitchell does. Zigomanis was kept on the roster basically because they figured (correctly) he could pass through waivers without anyone claiming him.
I have a very hard time believing anyone would claim Mitchell.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
At full price I agree. At half price on re-entry I’m sure a team like the Islanders would grab him. Not a huge loss, perhaps, but it doesn’t make sense for Burke to basically just let the team take half of Mitchell’s cap hit when he had just re-signed him.
I don't think
the 8-2-1 streaking Isles have a huge need for a boat anchor – unless they really want to be in the running for the 1st overall draft pick like many on here assume.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
although to be fair
4 of those wins have come in OT or the Shootout… so they really aren’t that drastically improved… this is just compensating for their 17 game losing streak.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Half of Mitchell’s cap hit is $375K.
For the NHL that’s the equivalent of change you find in your sofa (or stuck to your cheek when you come to on a stranger’s floor after a hard night of drinking).
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
There are actually
a number of players almost making that in the AHL…. and I don’t mean Souray, Redden, and Finger.
Keith Aucoin: $300 K
Chris Minard: $300 K
Brad Lukowich: $275 K
Derek MacKenzie: $260 K
and yes…
THE Kris Newbury: $250 K
oh and Mike Zigomanis: $250 K.
Speaking of Ziggy… he’s taking home some pretty sweet cash to play in front of like 1000 people in Toronto for the farm team.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
He was a free agent for several weeks back in the summer and no one signed him. Not worried about losing him to waivers.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
he's also gotten worse
every year he’s been in the NHL… talk about quality prospect.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Im not defending him, but its hard to do anything with Colton Orr on the ice. The guy fights well, and sometimes he is needed. He has heart. But as a hockey player, he’s pretty useless.
by Goosemonster on Jan 8, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
That's a fine and decent argument
except Mitchell has played a bunch with the likes of Kessel and Bozak and Versteeg… he really isn’t productive… at all… sorry.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
On the subject of Reimer
I find it interesting to look at the NHL standings, and see that 2 of the 5 hottest teams in the NHL are outside the playoffs, and right around Toronto. It gives me hope we can join that push.
Right now Vancouver, Philly, Tampa Bay, the Islanders, and Minnesota all have 7 or more wins in their last 10 games. The Leafs have 3 wins in their last 4, and Reimer’s been a large part of that.
Vancouver and Philadelphia are winning with awesome teams (they’re both stacked) so throw them out of the discussion.
The other 3 teams have all had issues of one sort or another that are relevant to Toronto. Tampa Bay’s goaltending has been brutal, while the Wild haven’t been able to score enough. The Islanders are actually behind us in the standings, but they’ve had problems in net, and in getting goals.
Tampa lost their last game 8-1 to the Penguins, but prior to that they were in the midst of a 9-1-2 stretch where they allowed over 2 goals on only 4 occasions. That’s 8 games allowing 2 or less goals. Somehow Ellis (2), Smith (2), Desjardins (3), and Roloson (1) have ALL contributed to that run. Ironically Roloson actually should have (2) there because he was the winning goalie in a 2-1 OT loss by the Lightning to the Isles before he was traded. Either way, somehow the team goalie thing is working for them. If Reimer and Gustavsson can improve – particularly by Reimer reducing the load on Gustavsson, that would go a long way to helping.
Minnesota have gone 9-4-3 in their last 16 games, and Theodore and Backstrom have split the wins pretty evenly with 4 for Theodore and 5 for Backstrom. In their wins they’ve allowed 2 or fewer goals 7 times. They also have scored 32 goals in the 9 wins, averaging 3.56 goals per game.
Cal Clutterbuck is keying their surge with 4 goals and 7 points in his last 8 games, which is a bit out of the ordinary for him. Meanwhile regular standbys Mikko Koivu (3 goals and 7 points in his last 6 games) and Martin Havlat (9 goals and 30 points in his last 30 games) have also carried the load offensively. The Leafs getting offense from Armstrong is a lot like the Wild getting offense from Clutterbuck.
The Islanders meanwhile are getting offense from John Tavares finally on a regular basis. Since Dec. 16th, he has produced 6 goals and 14 points in his last 11 games. This after registering only 8 goals and 14 points through the first 25 games of the season.
Phil Kessel and the rest of the Leafs top offensive players are producing of late, so if the D can begin to step up and contribute more (hi Tomas Kaberle’s 4 point game), then maybe we can figure shit out.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Hey Giguere,
Do you want to be able to walk with your kids and grandkids when you’re an old man? Ok, then take my advice and shut it down for the season. Even if it’s not the only option, I sure you’ve considered surgery to help out your groin; better to get it now while it’s covered by your NHL team and not out of pocket. Just a thought.
Certified Grabbo Lover
If he lives in Canada
the surgery would be covered by provincial healthcare, not out of pocket… but yeah…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
But the team will pay for a private doctor to do it. Whereas, he’d have to pay out of his own pocket, or be put on a waiting list.
Again
this is a millionaire we’re talking about here… I don’t think paying for a surgery would ruin his life.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
We could possibly get him
on the death list if he waits long enough…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
you're missing the point you obtuse......
by mick mcgeough on Jan 8, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not missing the point
I’m doing what I always do, which is rambling on about things semi-related to the point in an effort to entertain myself despite everyone else’s best efforts.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I’ve learned plenty a fact and stat from Mr. Burtch.
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 8, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Getting surgery is a lot easier than you think. I tore my ACL and Meniscus in the spring/summer. MRI was June 15th, surgery was July 2nd (wanted to be about my wits for Canada day).
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 8, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
When
I tore my MCL and ACL in December a few years ago, the MRI appointment the specialist scheduled for me was on March 15th. I wasn’t going to hobble around and not know wtf was wrong with it for 3 months… I went and got an MRI done in Cheektowaga for $500 USD.
Waiting 3 months for an MRI appointment is not easy. The scheduled times are also at all hours of the day.
Consider yourself lucky.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
they also
tend to bounce around appointments when people cancel so random openings will arise. My experience with joint issues in Toronto are not particularly pleasant to be honest.
I could add in all the stories around my father’s knee replacement surgery, and his issues with the remaining original knee… but I digress.
If Giguere wants to get things done correctly by the best doctors available in a prompt time frame, he will pay for it and go to a clinic in the US. I was just disagreeing with SF for the sake of being disagreeable.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Special circumstances: my parents are doctors so they were able to get me one of those random openings. Plus my dad got me the MRI at the hospital where he works.
Sidenote: Gill vs. Chara post-game, oh yaaahhh.
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 8, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
must be nice
nepotism is alive and well in the Canadian medicare system… good to know.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
In systems where people get dicked around a lot, it’s going to happen.
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 9, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
This isn’t the place for it, but how many million health cases a year are treated in Ontario? I think there are 10M+ annual emergency room visits alone. It’s easier to tease anecdotes out of a sample that size than it is to make Lebda jokes.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
This is very true
but relating Lebda jokes to Giguere’s wonky joints is something I wasn’t working on…
Maybe we should threaten to let Lebda use his surgical precision on Giguere’s hip unless he agrees to turn into a supplemental goalie coach for the Leafs?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Come on give me a break!
Show some optimism the season isn’t done yet, they can still make the playoffs and until they are mathematically eliminated we should continue to think that way.
GO LEAFS GO
That should say
2.1%. I’ve been drinking, apologies.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 8, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
As it looks right now, the 8th seed in the East is going to need 94 or 95 points to make the playoffs. The Leafs would have to earn 59 points in 42 games. They’d have to go something like 27-10-5 in the second half.
Not happening.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
We don’t know that, Burke could trade for a center or a winger tomorrow and the Leafs could go on a 10 game win streak…things like that happen all the time.
I don’t think we should say die yet, I know that it seems to be the easy thing to do because that’s what we have come to expect and usually I would agree with you all.
But something is different about this team right now since Reimer took over….I can feel it.
by Jennifer Smith on Jan 9, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
We do know that it’s historically taken over 90 points to make the playoffs in the east and, looking at this season’s totals to date, it will be the same this year.
For the Leafs to get to that point plateau they’re going to have to play better hockey over a longer stretch than they have in 5+ years.
If you think that’s possible, great; if you think that’s probable, I’d love to make a wager with you.
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Welcome
Thanks for joining.
I think optimism that some of the young kids will keep developing is about as much as you’re going to get.
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Just something going through my head here...
EVery goalie has his slumps, and every goalie has his hot streaks. Except Rick DiPietro and Pascal Leclaire, ‘cause they aren’t in the net long enough to have them. Brodeur, for example, Hall of Fame goalie, playing like a bucket of shit and holes. Tim Thomas: last year’s immovable, team-crippling contract, this year’s Vezina frontrunner. Ryan Miller, best goalie in the league, struggled at the beginning of the year, while Carey Price was on fire. Could it be that we’re seeing one of each from Gus and Reimer at the same time?
Gus played very very well the first time Giggy went down. Every time he was in the net, he gave this team a chance to win. Lately, he’s been closer to Vesa than to Timmy. Reimer knows he needs to play his rear end off to get a job up here. He’s been very good of late, but this pace is unsustainable. Giving Reimer more starts might be a slap on the tush for Gus. I’m rooting for him to get back to his “whythefuckaren’twescoringforhimbecausehe’sfuckingplayingoutofhismind” form. If he does, I’ll be even more excited about our goalies than I already am.
I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.
by leafsfan4life94 on Jan 8, 2011 11:36 PM EST reply actions
And I realize that very little of that is connected. I’m all amped up on caffeine, so my mind is slightly screwy right now.
I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.
by leafsfan4life94 on Jan 8, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I’m rooting for him to get back to his "whythefuckaren’twescoringforhimbecausehe’sfuckingplayingoutofhismind" form.
Amazing how quick some people forget these things eh? Apparently Leafs fans ARE fickle.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Gone
but not forgotten.
I know Gustavsson can play well… but he hasn’t for almost 2 months. The Leafs are LOSING games because of their goal tending right now.
Here’s the thing. The offense plays like shit, the goal tending seems half decent – why? because the offense is the problem. Now the goalies are playing like shit, and the offense seems half decent – why? because the goalies are the problem. When we solve both of those we win!… unfortunately we have had far to few games this season where both have worked.
I think it speaks volumes though, that EVEN when the offense was struggling, Gustavsson did not steal ONE game. We never had a 0-0 shutout going into OT. That actually happened against the Rangers when Vesa Toskala was our goalie… he did that once in a while. Gustavsson hasn’t done it this year… so I’m still not going to the “whythefuckaren’twescoringforhimbecausehe’sfuckingplayingoutofhismind” spot just yet.
Now we’re scoring for him, and he’s shitting the bed. Reimer has played well in limited action, but Gustavsson really needs to step things up if he wants to have a decent contract for next year, or be on the team in a year or so.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Tim Thomas’ “struggles” last year are greatly exaggerated. He had a GAA of 2.56 and a SV% of .915. Those numbers aren’t quite as good as what he put up the year before or what he’s done this year, but he was still around the top half of the league in both categories. I’d be pretty happy if the Leafs’ were getting goaltending of that quality right now.
As for Gustavsson, I think we’re a little past the “small sample size” point now. He’s played 64 NHL games, about the equivalent of a full season for a good #1 goalie. He has a GAA of 2.96 and a SV% of .900. Those numbers just aren’t good enough.
wow
watching the detroit-vancouver game makes me sad. These are two very, very good teams
Crowd’s pretty lame for a game tied up late.
There will be an answer. Let it be.
by daoust on Jan 9, 2011 12:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ve wanted Reimer 2 play more for the leafs over the past 2yrs watching him with the marlies he was solid….Glad he is finally getting a chance and showing what he has got cuz he is good!
Welcome
Thanks for joining. Kid’s playing the same way as he did in the half dozen games I saw him play for the Marlies. Looking good so far.
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