Some Saturdays just aren't the same
by birky on Jan 9, 2011 7:00 AM EST
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PrintNot much to report on at the moment, as the Leafs had a rare Saturday night off this weekend. The Buds are on their second west coast swing of the season, visiting L.A., San Jose, and Phoenix this week. Those games lead up to the return of Matt Stajan and Niklas Hagman to Toronto next Saturday night. The Kings have lost 5 of 6, the Sharks 5 of 7, and the Coyotes 4 of 7 (none are playing their best hockey). I think we'd all be pretty pleased if the Leafs can return home with 40 points. We should also expect Mike Brown back in the line-up in the very near future.
A few Sunday links after the jump...
MLHS takes a quick look the Leafs best defenseman
New post over at VLM updates on the loss of a Leafs hero
More shots uploaded over at Vintage Leafs
Keep 'em coming guys
Desjardins has a lash at the ISS top 30
Lowtide has come up with an early top 5 for the 2011 draft using NHL equivalencies from Behind the Net
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by Chemmy on Jan 9, 2011 7:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
awesome
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Jan 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
You mean LOVED Hagman
As in the past tense. Anyone not wearing a Leaf sweater is out to beat us so fuck them. Boooed everytime
by Johnny Bower's Pokecheck on Jan 9, 2011 8:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Unless they come back, and all their sins shall forever be forgiven.
Case in point, Wendel Clark was only ever a Leaf. I’m not sure where he disappeared off to from 1995-1996, and again from 1998-2000, but I only seem to remember him in blue and white.
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Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 9, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not really related to anything, but I just noticed San Jose was shutout on Thursday, which means they’ve been shutout as many times as the Leafs this year.
Also, their top 5 goal scorers (Couture, Marleau, Heatley, Clowe, Thornton) have scored 70 goals compared to the Leafs top 5 (Kessel, Grabovski, Kulemin, Versteeg, MacArthur) that have scored 73. Bizarre.
There will be an answer. Let it be.
Play….play…..playoffs?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Jan 9, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently not for the Sharks.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jan 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
if they miss the playoffs their fans
will lose their shit
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
5 through 12 the Western Conference is a mess right now, but it looks like on a points-per-game basis the Sharks are currently 9th or 10th (with Chicago as one of the teams behind them). And the season’s half over…
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jan 9, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Marleau
Thornton, and Heatley are having an off year to say the least, but they have more depth beyond the top 5.
Pavelski, Setoguchi, etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
and yes
I know marleau and heatley have 15 goals each… but it’s weird when they’ve been 2 of the leading scorers in the NHL for the past few years, who have approached 50 goals. They should be at something like 25 at this point. They’re on track for 29 goal seasons.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
It’s been suggested that’s what’s going on with Ovechkin right now. I mean, there are three Leafs with as many or more goals than Ovechkin has, but that one wicked goal on Gustavsson earlier this year shows that he’s definitely still got his killer shot.
by Draglikepull on Jan 9, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
One of the interesting sub-plots from the HBO 24/7 series was Boudreau preaching a different, more defensive, style for the Caps and the teams’ struggles in adapting to it.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
One of the things I found most interesting
in the only episode I have seen so far (1st one) is that Ovechkin seems to NOT be much of a vocal captain. I don’t really remember hearing him encourage or talk to his teammates in any video from the show.
He’s a rock-star personality, but I don’t see him being a great leader…. just my impression.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Knuble grabs the team by the throat during intermission in one episode. It’s a pretty cool segment.
I thoroughly enjoyed that series and thought episode three was just tremendous. I hope you get to see the rest of it soon.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
yeah me too
I didn’t see the first one till over the break… my parents get TMN, I do not have it… I suppose I could download it though… I’ll do that tonight.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
sweet
Thanks for the link.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Pavelski and Gooch have 9 and 7. Bozak and Armstrong have 7 and 5.
So their top 7 is outscoring our top 7 by 1 goal.
There will be an answer. Let it be.
yeah
I think Thornton’s 10, and Clowe’s 11 are also underwhelming – but far closer to their career numbers. On track to score 20 and 21 goals respectively. Pavelski is scoring below his pace of the past few years… Setoguchi can also score more…
The only guy outperforming anything so far is Couture… the rest are either at a regular pace, or below expectations.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
The weird thing is
I suggested to the guys at Fear the Fin that we’d take Clowe for Kaberle… and they all scoffed and said Clowe was one of the few top 6 guys that was playing above expectations… a 22 goal 70 point season isn’t really earth shattering for Clowe – despite the fact it would be a career high – I just think he should be able to do that relatively easily with the offensive talent around him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
after that
I didn’t bother asking about Couture…
The sharks are going to slowly start to resemble the Senators (and Leafs of old) as Heatley, Marleau, and Thornton begin to decline. The first two’s best goal scoring years are behind them in all likelihood.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Thornton
is on track for his worst offensive season since his 2nd in the NHL (when he was 20).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
yup, they should go into full blown win now mode
I am trying to find a way that could benefit the leafs though, as they would need the players the Leafs want for said playoffs
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
the funny thing is
like Leaf fans they only want to ship out their underperforming players… they think everyone would want Setoguchi… who is young and has scored 30 goals.
But dude is on pace to score 15 goals and 25 points… not something most teams want. I’d take him in exchange for Komisarek or something… except they can’t take on Komisarek’s salary.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, no one wants to give to get.
I don’t really want to give up Beauchemin because I think his absence could potentially decimate the Leafs blue line, but we need a legit first liner more at this point
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
I would take Setoguchi in a trade… just not for one of our top 4 D men…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
if you explain it to them that way
1 young underperforming winger who had a god year 3 years ago and is now on your 3rd line – in exchange for the other team’s best defensive D man who is first on the team in minutes… then yeah it doesn’t make any sense.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
good year
not god year…. dunno what that would entail.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
yup, if they want to go by 2 year ago value, than we want cup winning playoff beast value for beauchemin
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
indeed, I’m just curious as to why so many leaf fans out there are so inclined to go after players like Bolland or Brouwer and use many good young assets (ive seen kadri offered in some situations) to attain them
do we really need more 3rd/2nd line tweeners that bad?
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I would take Brouwer
in a heartbeat. He’s a beast physically, he hits a tonne (like in the top 5 in the NHL) and his offensive skill wouldn’t slow him down alongside Kessel. He has loads of speed… basically think untapped potential… and he’s only 25 years old.
Setoguchi isn’t much of a hitter, and he doesn’t seem as physical overall so he wouldn’t really add that dimension. He also isn’t a C.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and
Brouwer’s numbers haven’t tailed off like Setoguchi’s… he’s seen his point totals increase regularly… he’s on pace for a 21 goal 45 point season, last year he had 22 goals, 40 points, and the year before he had 10 goals and 26 points (in 68 games that is).
He’s trending in the right direction let’s say.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I checked
he’s 4th in the NHL in hits with 138…. which is why he’s on my fantasy team.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
well Yes, I mean I’d take said players on the Leafs any day, but I wouldn’t pay a kings ransom for them.
Brouwer may have untapped potential, but it is just that, potential, we have potential in Kadri, if we are going to be sending back our best chips I want something a little more concrete
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'd say
Brouwer has done a lot more at the NHL level than Kadri… Kadri may not reach his potential, Brouwer is far closer to attaining it.
We over value Kadri because he’s a 7th overall pick… he hasn’t done anything more than be a ppg player in the AHL at this point… in the NHL he had 6 assists in 14 games, and he’ll improve long term… but he isn’t worth that much right now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
The only guys
you hear the Sharks fans mentioning in trades are the likes of Pavelski and Setoguchi… I think if they want anything actually useful they’ll have to move someone like Clowe or throw in a bunch of picks… the not taking on salary thing also doesn’t help.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Pavelski is a good idea I think, good offense and he’s pretty good at faceoffs. Could easily plug him in with Kessel right now.
Toronto Maple Leafs: Colby Armstrong bringeth the TRUCULENCE!
If we are looking for someone to put with Kessel, we shouldnt be looking for something that is just “better” than what we have now. We should be looking for something that will make us have more than one first liner
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
The other problem with Pavelski
is he’s really not much different from Versteeg…. he’d end up wanting to play the point on the PP… although I suppose you could just play Versteeg with the MGK line and Pavelski with Kessel, Bozak, and who the hell ever.
I just don’t see him as a huge improvement.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather pay something
for Brouwer because of his physicality than I would for Pavelski and his “faceoff” skills.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Brouwer
6’2" – 214 lbs.
Pavelski – 5’11" 195
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Pavelski sounds like bozak in two years.
by Leaf in Habland on Jan 9, 2011 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For some reason
Pavelski and Versteeg remind me of each other more than almost any two players in hockey.
Versteeg is younger and has more upside, but they’re amazingly similar in style of play… though they do play different positions.
Bozak to me is a bit of an enigma in terms of development curve and who he’ll turn out like. He seems very intelligent when it comes to making crafty plays with the puck, but his play off the puck still needs some work.
I know it’s completely unreasonable to place any sort of expectations on Bozak and he has yet to develop a similar skill set, but in a lot of ways I think he reminds me of Nieuwendyk in the middle of his career (after his 50 goal seasons in Calgary early on).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
then your’e looking for future 1st line prospects and not 1st line NHLers since most teams will not give away a first line offensive talent for D-men. The only way you get one of those is if they are vastly underperforming or have a huge contract that they are not living up to.
Toronto Maple Leafs: Colby Armstrong bringeth the TRUCULENCE!
yes we'd prefer
future 1st line talent… neither pavelski nor brouwer is currently a 1st line NHL player… nor is Clowe…hence why they’re being mentioned in this discussion.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Pavelski
is 26 and is in his 5th NHL season – as far as I can tell he’s probably peaked/plateaued in his development unless you put him with superior line mates 5 on 5. He gets top PP minutes playing the point, he plays with some excellent teammates… and he’s a 0.75 ppg guy.
I don’t think that would increase a lot, so I don’t really see him as an NHL 1st line guy.
Brouwer is 25 but this is only his 3rd full NHL season. He’s also predominantly played 3rd line minutes, alongside less talented individuals than most 1st liners. He at least gives you the chance that he COULD produce a fair bit more offense in the right situation. But hey, if he doesn’t? You can drop him to your 3rd line and you know what you’re getting.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
In essence, isn’t it kind of the same situation Versteeg had in Chicago? He was trending up, but he wasn’t getting enough minutes to really put up bigger numbers.
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 9, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
yep pretty much
And he’s big and physical… He’s a RW though… I thought he was a C but Bolland is playing C on his line.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Brouwer
is 5th in Forward PP ice time (95:29) for Chicago, and that’s only because Hossa missed a bunch of games due to injury.
By way of comparison, Pavelski is 4th on the Sharks in Forward PP ice time, with 134:02.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly
I think wingers can switch sides far more easily than D can… as I’ve pointed out before, Kessel plays LW on the PP… Brouwer and Versteeg have both played on either side… Kulemin has played both sides… I don’t see this as a huge issue.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
It really depends on the player. Some guys are more comfortable on the off wing than others
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
yeah
I think Brouwer has moved around a lot though, so I doubt it would be a huge issue.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
what hand they shoot with can be a bigger issue. ultimately, if you have 3 amazing guys and they all shoot the same way, it probably won’t matter. but having at least one left and right-handed shot on each line could probably add a dozen goals over the span of 82 games…
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
brouwer
shoots right…Bozak and Kessel also both shoot right.
MacArthur, Grabovski, and Kulemin all shoot left.
I dunno how much I’d worry about it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
like I said, it’s not the end of the world, but it’s not ideal.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
What you’ve said about Brouwer I’ve liked but what would his price be?
Toronto Maple Leafs: Colby Armstrong bringeth the TRUCULENCE!
honestly
similar to Pavelski probably, but I think he’s more worth it longer term.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I also think
Chicago is less likely to move him than San Jose is to move Pavelski.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
we'd have to dangle something in a young
scoring forward… that’s likely what they want – their D is pretty set.
Either that or a goaltending prospect.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
although
they probably miss Sopel… so an aging defensive D man wouldn’t hurt them… Beauchemin COULD be involved if we toss in a prospect or something.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Hanson?
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 9, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
And get a pick+Brouwer back?
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
No
Hanson is too old… think more like McKegg or Nicholl.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
But yeah
thinking about having Brouwer on a line with Bozak and Kessel is pretty awesome as far as our top 6 goes.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Nicholls, purely on junior stats was a steal in the 7th… He’s on the front page of WHL scoring which is good enough for me.
I don’t think that would be much to give up in addition to Beauchemin.
I’d rather keep McKegg, he’s beautiful.
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 9, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
the closer you get
to not being sure if you should make the trade means you’re likely a lot closer to a realistic deal, so make that Beauchemin and McKegg.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I’d rather give any one the Leafs have drafted at least 2 years of development before we go trading them unless a sure fire thing is coming back
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
right
but the flip side of that is… we pay our scouts to evaluate where they’re at and where they’re going, just like Chicago would… they’ll end up being moved in some cases.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
at this point I’d rather trade Ross than the two players the Leafs drafted that are suddenly in top 10 scoring in their respective leagues
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
k then
so say Ross… he has value too.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Is D’Amigo too much?
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 9, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
D'amigo
is probably worth more than McKegg at this point… but I’m not sure what he’s worth right now after his juniors performance.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
It would look good but arguably our best D-man + a prospect for a guy who might get better than being a good third liner is iffy to me
Toronto Maple Leafs: Colby Armstrong bringeth the TRUCULENCE!
The iffy part
is what makes it plausible, rather than a bunch of us sitting around and pulling names of crappy players we don’t want out of a hat.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Well what really are the odds of prying Brouwer from them?
But I guess all good players that aren’t generational talents have their prices.
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 9, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
depends on
how badly Chicago wants to perform in the playoffs… considering they’re the defending champs, I’d assume they want more than one round at least.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, but prospects arn’t going to help them with that and they have all of 300k in cap space, the leafs would need to take significant salary back if we are trading them something they need (ie beauch)
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t mind taking Toews or Kane of their hands, y’know, for a salary dump.
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 9, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Snaps out of dream world Kopecky? He’s at like 1.2 mil, expiring contract and would fit into the bottom 6 (yay more bottom 6).
But I don’t know if the Hawks want to part with him or not, only it makes sense from the salary ridding POV.
I'm tired of the Leafs half-assing it like a chick with one butt cheek.
by happiergilmore on Jan 9, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Kopecky
is in their top 6 right now
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
probable. It would also help in softening the price of a deal, instead of an A prospect maybe a B or a 3rd instead of a 2nd round pick
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I guess that makes
Sharp or Bolland more likely to move than Brouwer… Bolland is a C and he isn’t in their top 6 right now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
but his back
scares me off
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Really
I don’t think Chicago can make any significant trades right now to improve their team significantly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
and this
was significantly redundant in its wording.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Chicago isn't trading Sharp
His value lies so much in locker room chemistry for them, along with his skills. I thought for sure he would be traded last offseason, but it seems like every ‘Hawks player thinks he’s one of their most essential teammate.
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I was going to write something about this, but I brought it up in the past and people scoffed.
Also, Kessel’s been ahead of Ovechkin in goal scoring for a long time and is playing with literally nobody.
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It's right up there
with when I described the MGK line as one of the top 4 or 5 lines at ES in the NHL… most people thought I was nuts… but it’s true.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Another fun fact
Clarke MacArthur would be leading the Habs in scoring right now.
Mike Cammalleri would be 6th in scoring on the Leafs. MacArthur, Grabovski, Versteeg, Kessel, Kulemin are ahead of him, while Kaberle is tied with him.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 9, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d love to see how the strength of opposition in the Leafs schedule compares to that of the Sharks.
I’d also hate to contemplate the Leafs totals, team and individual, if they played in the Western Conference.
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I’d say tiebreaker goes to the Sharks for extraneous factors such as travel. Western Conference teams generally play more games outside of their time zone, and cover more distance, whereas the East is more condensed and all in the same time zone.
The Leafs play something like 74 out of their 82 games in the Eastern time zone. That’d be unheard of in the Western Conference.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Jan 9, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’m really surprised by that total. Thanks for posting it.
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Just wanted to toss this in the mix from yesterday's Star article on Grabovski
What the club wanted for their centre was an awareness of the puck in every zone. Instead of turning away from the puck and looking for lanes up the ice, follow the puck and become a better option for a pass out of the zone. It was a method used by Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the Red Wings video clips.
Grabovski appears to have mirrored those all-star examples so well his coaching staff is now saying Datsyuk and Zetterberg are watching videos of him.
One word for that = AWESOME!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
If the Leafs coaching staff
thinks Grabovski has the ability level to approximate the levels of play of Datsyuk or Zetterberg, then I really don’t see any reason for us to trade him in the near future. If we can’t get back a top line player of all-star caliber, why bother?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and this is also excellent
from the same article (and I’m sure most of you read it but I didn’t until today):
Grabovski is also quick to point to his linemates as a factor in his latest success. Nik Kulemin and Clarke MacArthur are also playing with confidence and together the trio is the longest-serving line on the club this season.
"Those two guys work hard every game and every practice, we just know everything about each other now," MacArthur said.
"It’s almost robotic now. We know where each other is going to be. We draw things up in practice and talk about it all the time. We just know what to expect now."
Grabovski is also a new father, and says the arrival of daughter Lilly two weeks ago further grounds him as a hockey player. His father, Yury, travelled from Russia to be at his son’s side for the birth and spend some time with the family.
"My baby is a new step in my life … now I’m working for me and my daughter,"
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
GRABBO MAKE WORLD SAFE FOR CHILD. GRABBO NOT WANT BABY GIRL TO GROW UP SCARED OF PINED APPLE. GRABBO USE HOCKEY SKILL TO RID PLANET OF SPIKY THREAT.
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by article1 on Jan 9, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
MacArthur was quoted this week as saying he’s ‘never played on a line this hungry before’. I finally found the perfect adjective to describe Grabovski, even from the time he first joined the Leafs and was a much more raw talent.
He plays like a guy who hungers for success.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jan 9, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Getting dumped by the Habs went a long way towards pushing him to excel, especially in his first season. His poor showing last year in turn has inspired him this year. I hope his new found maturity means he won’t be quite so streaky moving forward.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 9, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Grabbo might be an all-star.
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Grabbo
so hot right now.
Grabbo.
20 miles to Legoland!
by nhlcheapshot on Jan 9, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think this needs fixing
GrabbomightWILL be an all-star.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, but this is the NHL we’re talking about. Grabbo isn’t a huge star and he’s a centre – two things that work against him in a PR event like the ASG. I would not be at all surprised if they select Kabby as the sole Leaf.
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He's getting a lot of press
in the largest market in the NHL… it’s pretty hard to ignore that if you’re the NHL. He’s also the hottest scorer in the league since the start of December… again hard to ignore.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
And
I think a number of people (including myself) have pointed out a number of C’s are doing worse than he is at this point.
Also having players like Spezza and Roy down with injuries helps his cause.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
The C's with more points in the East (there's a lot)
are
Crosby, Stamkos, Staal, Backstrom, Richards, Dubinsky, Roy, Carter, and Malkin.
The hard thing to discern though is… with Roy injured, and Crosby + Malkin and Richards + Carter playing on the same teams (who are at the top of the conference) is there a chance he gets a shot as a Winger?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and
he’s 4th in goals for C’s in the East behind Crosby, Stamkos, and Staal… so that helps him.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
But yes
I see how your point likely makes it more certain that the likes of Kessel or Kaberle are going before he does.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Kabby’s usually the default option when the Leafs have a poor record. Well it used to be him and Sundin, until Sundin started declining.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 9, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Addendum: by declining I mean declining to go.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 9, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Kaberle’s currently 4th in the conference among defencemen in scoring. Atlanta has the top two (Byfuglien and Enstrom), and I think it’s unlikely that they’d have both make the All-Star game, so Kaberle is at #3. If we’re looking at it on a positional basis, and assuming only one Leaf makes the team, then Kaberle is much higher up the ranks of defenders than Grabovski is in the crowded ranks of centres.
None of us actually exist we’re all just voices in his head!
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 9, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I think he should go. He’s been tremendous. Clearly our best player and the main reason we’ve kept our heads above water.
But.
He’s 22nd in scoring among centres and there a lot of higher-profile players above him.
I don’t trust the selection process to give him a fair deal. I think it’s too easy for them to take a player who the casual US-based fan has heard of and who’s far more likely to be someone the league-wide sponsor will want to get his photo taken with.
At the end of the day the ASG’s a marketing exercise and I think the NHL are more than capable of being dickish about treating it that way.
I would love to be wrong though.
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somebody
needs to photoshop this:
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
ok, not that I expect Grabbo to become a player of the caliber of Zetterberg or Datsyuk, but I am curious as to how their development parallels his.
First three seasons in the NHL
Grabbo GP G A PTS PIM
2008-09 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 78 20 28 48 92
2009-10 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 59 10 25 35 10
2010-11 Toronto Maple Leafs NHL 39 17 15 32 26
Zetterberg
2002-03 Detroit Red Wings NHL 79 22 22 44 8
2003-04 Detroit Red Wings NHL 61 15 28 43 14
2005-06 Detroit Red Wings NHL 77 39 46 85 30
Datsyuk
2001-02 Detroit Red Wings NHL 70 11 24 35 4
2002-03 Detroit Red Wings NHL 64 12 39 51 16
2003-04 Detroit Red Wings NHL 75 30 38 68 35
hmmmmm, other than zetterberg absolutely exploding in his third year there are interesting parallels
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
the other factors to consider are the ages, time on ice, and their teammates.
Grabbo 25 (16:13) – 26 (16:48) – 27 (18:48)
Zetterberg 22 (16:19) – 23 (18:15) – lockout – 25 (18:57)
Datsyuk 23 (13:39) – 24 (15:28) – 25 (18:16)
Before people worry about Grabovski being too old though, Datsyuk was putting up increasing totals until he was 29, and matched that 97 point season with another one at 30. Zetterberg reached a career high at 27, and is on pace for his second best season of his career at the age of 30.
Obviously playing 18+ minutes a game helps a player’s output, and playing with regulars like Shannahan, Holmstrom, Franzen, Hull, Yzerman, Whitney, Lidstrom, Schneider, Chelios, etc. doesn’t hurt either. The fact that Grabovski’s doing what he’s doing with younger relatively inexperienced players like MacArthur, Kulemin, Kessel, and Versteeg is all the more impressive.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
However, Datsyuk is widely regarded as one of the best defensive forwards in the game. Even hockey’s advanced statistics generally back that claim, as well. Grabovski seems more comparable to Zetterberg.
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Zetterberg
is also very good defensively… as is Grabovski to be honest… I don’t have a problem with the comparison continuing either way. We’ll see where we’re at in this regard at the end of the year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
oh and the lockout
explains the explosion you observed.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Just if anyone didn’t see it, the Kings signed Jack Johnson to a seven year, 4.3M cap hit deal.
The experiment failed: Get rid of the trapezoid.
yeah caught that
they’re going to be very good for a long time. They still have Bernier in the minors. They have Quick. They have Doughty, Johnson, Kopitar, Brown, Simmonds, Schenn, Loktionov, Moller, Greene, Stoll (he’s still only 28), Williams (29)…
That’s a LOT of talent to have under the age of 30.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
oh and
Colton Teubert, Thomas Hickey, Kyle Clifford… etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Jan 9, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not surprising
They are in like their 10th year of the rebuild now. Finally really starting to bear some spectacular fruit.
20 miles to Legoland!
they have fantastic prospect depth, if that translates to high end NHL depth has yet to be seen, but they have some wonderfully talented pieces
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
what’s up with the Kings right now? they’ve lost 5 in a row and I think are sitting out of a playoff spot right now?
and speaking of the Kings, I get annoyed when people lump them into the ‘true rebuild’ camp. their 2 best drafted forwards are kopitar and brown, who went 10th and 13th overall I think… not the top 5 or top 3 people usually are referring to when they toss around ‘true rebuild’ (yes, they have Doughty and BSchenn, but BSchenn hasn’t played more than a handful of games for them right?). aside from that some of their most significant contributors they got through free agency or trades (Johnson, Stoll, Williams, Smyth…)
There will be an answer. Let it be.
I don’t think a “true rebuild” involves tanking for lottery picks, I think it involves stockpiling 1st/2nd round picks and good prospects, which is what the Kings have done.
holding on to your first rounders doesn’t preclude you from doing other things, like making trades and signing free agents. People seem to have a hard time accepting that. “True rebuild” or not, a smart GM does a little bit of everything, instead of only relentlessly focusing on one thing, be it tanking for the lottery or something else.
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by T is for Truculence on Jan 9, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
this is a misleading argument
because almost every NHL team is made up many 1st and 2nd round picks, because those guys make up a quite large proportion of NHL players.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
1st and 2nd rounders on Toronto
Kessel (5th)
Kulemin (44th)
Armstrong (21st)
Schenn (5th)
Phaneuf (9th)
Komisarek (7th)
Brent (37th – the first time he was drafted)
Kadri (7th)*
Sjostrom (11th)
Zigomanis (64th – the 1st time, 46th – the 2nd time)*
Giguere (13th)
That`s a pretty typical list for most teams probably.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
That`s 11 of
the 34 players that have seen the ice for the Leafs this year… or approximately a 3rd.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
It could easily be argued
that the players most likely to make them a threat to win the Cup will be the likes of Doughty, Hickey, Schenn and Bernier selected 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 11th overall.
If you add in Teubert (13th), Lewis (17th), Kopitar (11th), and Brown (13th) that’s a lot of high first rounders to be putting on one team.
They also drafted the likes of Frolov (20th), Steckel (30th), Grebeshkov (18th), Boyle (26th), and Tambellinin (27th) – all of whom are playing regularly for various other teams around the NHL (or in the case of Grebeshkov the KHL) at this point.
They’ve definitely been TRYING to rebuild with first round picks.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
it could
but it would just be speculation. you have no way of knowing who is or isn’t going to be a key part of future success for them.
They have as many players now contributing to their success that were traded/free agents (johnson, williams, stoll, smyth, handzus) as drafted (kopitar, brown, doughty).
There will be an answer. Let it be.
a propos of nothing
how has my FanPost not been front-paged? It has 6 recs…just sayin’…
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions
David
did most of the work… you’re just reanalyzing his analysis.
Also, I don’t see quite how this helps your argument about looking at SV% as NOT relevant to a goalie’s overall level of play.
If anything it points out that it’s more relevant, you just want more detail in the measurement.
Obviously Gustavsson’s play when we’re up by a goal is not that stellar this year… and all we can point to is a horribly small sample size to explain what David observed w.r.t. his high SV%.
When he started the year he got no goal support, and now that he’s getting it he can’t hold on to a lead… that’s a problem.
It isn’t just his last start against St. Louis where it was a problem. Don’t forget Columbus where we had 2 different 1 goal leads.
Prior to that, the last time he was in a game with a 1 goal lead, was Nov. 30th against TB, where we again jumped out to a 1 goal lead, and we lost it on a Ryan Malone goal… then we got a 2 goal lead courtesy Kulemin, and we lost that game 4-3 on OT eventually.
He’s barely held on to games when we’ve had the lead… that isn’t indicative of strong netminding… and his play when we’re losing the other games isn’t so hot either.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
1. David did all the work. I fully give him credit for that, so I don’t know what your beef is.
2. You DON’T see how it helps my argument about looking at SV% as NOT relevant? Are you being obtuse? Are you just trying to antagonize me so we can get in another argument. Because if that’s your angle, I’m not interested.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
It's not a beef
I just don’t personally see why it warrants front page attention when David’s work was already front paged in an FTB a few days ago.
I also think it very specifically gives weight to SV% being MORE important, and oddly parsing it to an even higher degree wouldn’t increase the statistical relevance. You’re using the stat to explain score effects… how can you use it as an indicator if it lacks substantive worth? There’s an inherent contradiction in the position you’re taking here.
And this isn’t about antagonizing you – it’s just a continuation of a debate we’ve had going for weeks. If you feel personally set upon because I don’t agree with your viewpoint, that’s not my doing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
PPP and Chemmy front page posts they feel deserve it.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
- Recs don’t dictate front-paging
- I don’t like your Toskala apologizing
- I was at home all weekend
- It’s been front-paged.
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Aren’t you a fellow member of the League of (Former) Goalies? To some extent we have to apologize for any goalie, no matter how bad. Because, as you know, it’s never really a goalie’s fault….
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
also, how dare you have a life on weekends.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
There has been a lot of chatter recently that up to 15 teams could be looking for a puck-moving defenseman at the trade deadline. As unlikely as it is, you have to hope Burke can move Kaberle.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
hopefully Burke can convince Kaberle to go try for his cup, and then come home at a reduced rate as champ!
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by JaredFromLondon on Jan 9, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Either way, not looking forward to the endless and daily MSM speculation that will go along with it.
Yet another Leaf fan in Ottawa.
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If you`d rather
read our endless daily speculation that will go along with it you can do that instead.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and there will be lots of that until the deadline.
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by blindfolded tank driver on Jan 9, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Much rather actually :)
The speculation here can be interesting to read and at usually least tries to be realistic.
If it’s anything like the summer, the MSM will be overanalyzing every single word Burke says and picking every single micro-rumour to death, which will get old after half a day.
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I just got home from camping in muskoka this weekend. I’m so mad I missed a game where the leafs scored nine goals.
camping in Muskoka….in January?!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
has anyone ever bought life tickets from KIM KOTEFF? I’m from NB and I’m looking at tickets on craigslist, I wanna take my dad to his first NHL game and i found a pretty good deal but am wondering if it is legit..
If it’s too good to be true it probably is.
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is anyone else having the problem
that SBN isn’t indicating new comments on a post?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 9, 2011 11:34 PM EST reply actions
me too!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Jan 10, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
It’s now 4.5 hours later and still no resolution. I suspect traffic is down significantly as a result, compared to similar periods like other late Sunday nights. Page views, specifically.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Jan 10, 2011 3:55 AM EST up reply actions
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