Le Sigh.
by JP Nikota on Oct 25, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintWelp. If we had to lose to someone, I feel alright about losing to the Flyers. The Leafs put in a decent effort, and were right in the game until Jaromir Jagr sealed the deal with a breakaway goal late in the third.
As James Mirtle points out, special teams were also a big factor in last night's loss:
As it often is, the Leafs penalty kill was part of the problem, as they allowed the first two goals on five shorthanded situations to fall to an ugly 75 per cent on the year – continuing a trend of poor play when down a man that has persisted for more than three years under Wilson.
Jump for more, including some schadenfreude relating to the Habs' loss.
Leafs Links:
I love Jake Gardiner, but…..
Michael Langlois thinks that Jake Gardiner still could use some time in the AHL. It's true he didn't look great on the Hartnell goal.
Game In 10: Game 8, Leafs at Flyers
Can't say I agree with all the points made here, but Mislav Jantoljak has a few notes about the game.
Leafs Defence Forgets How To Play Hockey In 4-2 Loss
Recap from Jeff Veillette at LeafsHQ.
Why I Hate You
Jeffler doesn't really hate the Monster...
Other Hockey Links:
Chris Pronger injured by high stick
Thankfully, his eye will be OK, but he may miss two to three weeks. From the AP at the Globe.
Habs loss has vultures circling - The Globe and Mail
"The vultures," grinned a scout from a Western Conference team, "smell blood." Muahahahahahaaaa. From Sean Gordon at the Globe.
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Good to see Pronger will be OK. Not only do I never want to see someone get hurt, I don’t want Philly to get out of that albatross of a contract they signed him to.
Good thing he wasn’t wearing a visor.
by theninjagreg on Oct 25, 2011 9:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he will be now
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
35+ contract, I thought.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
But it would be an injury. Not sure if that changes at 35.
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I guess he’d be on LTIR or something
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
We may have lsot but look at the standings.
whats that bottom 3?
it’s awesome is what it is.
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by elseldo on Oct 25, 2011 8:15 AM EDT reply actions 11 recs
hilarious, it is also very very very hilarious
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
My habs fan friend is really on the “Fire Martin” bandwagon now.. if they don’t get their shit together in the next few games that may be the next logical move.
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my wife was mad before but now she’s really pissed they let Muller walk away. Feels he’d be the best replacement.
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that was the consensus.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I may or may not be reveling in my “habs are buoyed by insane goaltending” smack that i’ve been talking some of my Habs fan friends
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, so if you replace .920 goaltending with .880, your club won’t have great success?
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
sure our goaltending is good, but so are our forwards and defense! PK Subban asfsadvsdve
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Lars Eller 60 point season
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i’ve been on that boat for a long time.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
After the season opener, I got into an argument with Habs fans/some Leaf haters by saying that, but for goaltending, the Leafs were equal to/better than the Habs, and that the stats show it.
Suck it.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
That makes it even more glorious
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be insane
Martin has brought that team a ton of playoff success by playing a smart system.
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His defensive system relies on very good goaltending though, which he is not getting.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
For sure but removing him is not the answer.
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It’s ‘a’ answer.
I’m just happy the Habs are floundering.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too
And I hope they fire him, but they’ll regret it. He’s a good (if creepy looking) coach.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Montreal plays a very good defensive system.
They’re a team that scores on the counter attack and can win if they get fantastic goaltending. They give up a lot of shots and don’t dominate possession.
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They play a style that clogs up the middle and forces low % shots. They wait for a mistake and try to make you pay.
They play the same style of hockey as a lot of soccer teams play. Anyone who watched the 2004 Euro cup and saw the way Greece played will know what I am talking about
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I don't know the soccer comparison
But that is what I was trying to get at.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Bad Mother Fucker
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Say Go Fuck Yourself one more time. I dare you
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
forces low % shots
No, they give up a lot of shots because their defense blows and got ridiculous goaltending for a while.
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Low% shots being the result of a “defensive system” is the same argument as shot quality.
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I think a defensive team can do that. Look at the save percentage of Minni goalies after they left compared to when they were there.
Also Gabe made a graph somewhere that really highlights it…
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From an old Gabe post
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by BCapp on Oct 25, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
jesus.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats pretty impressive eh?
Read the article and he completely states that his and Minni’s data shows that Backstrom is both a great goalie and helped by the system (ie even without that system he is still very good). But c’mon that seems pretty elucidating to me.
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They’re a pretty extreme example and I don’t see Montreal as anywhere near that. At the time of that article Minnesota was stacked defensively, Montreal has Hal Gill and P.K. Subban.
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Units are “Shots per 82 games”, so even an extreme example is a pretty slight effect.
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Did not notice that. That definitely takes away the impact of that graph.
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well, when you consider the number of locations on that graph, it’s still pretty impressive.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting that in that article he says “’I’m convinced that better defensemen improve save percentage” because that’s the opposite of the impression I get from his articles these days.
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by Draglikepull on Oct 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe he changed his opinion over time.
I don’t know if individual players can inflate the sh% of themselves and those around them, or individual defenseman can decrease the same. But I do believe that a team as a whole can effect sh% against.
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Right.
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I think that system helps the goaltender.
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In my experience (not that it really should count for anything) that’s usually the way it works…a great goalie with a crappy defense becomes an average goalie at best.
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by Future_considerations on Oct 25, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
As Mirtle pointed out last week,
last season on team that was more than 2 points back of the playoffs after 10 games ,made the playoffs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Last season, only one team that was more than two points out of the playoffs after 10 games, ended up making the playoffs? (just want to make sure I’m reading it right). Was it Boston?
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Didn’t Buffalo have a really craptacular start last year? Where were they after 10 games?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 25, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
2-151895-1 i believe.
At least that’s what it felt like.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 25, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t remember who, but someone was looking at the worst records at the start of november to make the playoffs, and, if I remember right, it would take a miracle for the Habs to make the cut at this point.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. We lost to a good team because our penalty killed smelled out the joint.
Every team loses. Leafs need two points from their next two games.
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perspective. I like it.
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by MapleLeafMole on Oct 25, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom 4, even
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by happiergilmore on Oct 25, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I love him, Burke’s ego will continue to be a detriment to this team if he isn’t willing to cut his losses with players like Komisarek (and until last night I would’ve said Gustavsson) and his best buddy coach with the terrible special teams, Ron Wilson.
what is he supposed to do with Komisarek?
and you also realize that the leafs (like most teams) have specific special teams coaches and those were totally replaced for this season?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions
i know they were replaced, but they haven’t really looked much better. Well, the PP is showing signs of improvement. The PK is still anemic.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
right, but how is that Wilsons fault over the specialists fault?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
to some extent, yes.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
and some part the players too, many of the PK goals ive seen are missed assignments / Lazy play on the players part
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Blame for everyone!
You get a blame! You get a blame!
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s it. Leafs roster for Oilers roster. Straight Up.
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it’s the new quality control system Jared’s brought in.
missed assignments/lazy play will get you deleted.
cough it up too much and you get sent down to… that other place.
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by not norm ullman on Oct 25, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
HFBoards?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
only if you are really bad, first you get sent to Leaf Space
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
where does TSN’s your Call fit in to this?
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what league does toskala play in currently?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
no one else wants that contract of komisarek’s (man he sucks), and how many defensemen with contracts like his and finger’s can we squeeze into the AHL.
Komi has an NMC and can’t be put in the AHL.
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mmmhmmm, so the best they can do is scratch him and put him in the press box where he still takes up an active roster spot and someone has to go down to the ahl so a replacement (say Aulie) can be brought up
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
for sure. but (1) as i’ve been saying for so long, if we can’t find a system our dumb-as-rocks can play with, we need to find a new system or (2) because 90% of the personell has changed since Wilson got here, and we still have the same problems, it may not really be the players at all…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Same things wrong, year on year.
Not sure why there’s all this business about it not being Wilson’s responsibility, or whatever. The roster’s rotated through a couple of times.
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by not norm ullman on Oct 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
it is partially Wilsons responsibility but assuming it is all his fault and that a simple coaching change will solve the Leafs woes is not the soundest of reasoning either
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
It's the elementary things that bug me
I coached sports for a long time, including hockey. Eliminating the most basic, glaring, errors was always one of the easiest tasks. And when you do it, it does amazing things for a team’s confidence. The other players no longer have to look out there and see their teammates doing completely moronic, bush league stuff. It makes them look and feel like serious players.
Things like… and feel free to add your own:
- passing through the middle of the ice in your own zone….
- letting a guy get in behind you for a breakaway….
- not tying the man up in front…
- not getting the puck into the other team’s zone when you have a clear chance…
- taking a too many men on the ice penalty…
- taking a penalty in the offensive zone…
- not getting the puck out of your own zone when you have a clear chance…
- you come out flying on a first shift, no matter who, no matter what…
That shit is absolutely basic, and yet we have to watch a team play, year on year on year, which completely flubs them.
When you watch a good team, these things are rare occurrences. Their “discipline” simply stands as their starting point. They don’t put themselves in holes. But Wilson’s Leafs? Ha. I can count ’em up, every single period.
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by not norm ullman on Oct 25, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Theres clearly too many flaws here, i heard Winnipeg is looking for new fans…
by Golden Gopher on Oct 25, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty agnostic on Wilson. Fire him, keep him… not really a big deal to me. But all the things you describe are all hallmarks of young and/or bad teams, which is basically what we’ve been the last few years. I think Martin is a decent coach who is being scapegoated right now and you saw his team take TWO too many mens the other night, and once on the PP. Like PPP said, this year’s team will decide his fate. Personally, I don’t think he’ll keep his job following this season, but if he does… that means playoffs!!!!
I haven’t seen anything from Wilson that would make me support a new contract this off-season.
If there’s a better coach out there, I’d fully support showing Wilson the door.
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Maybe the Leafs could trade Wilson. He’s on an expiring contract.
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I’m just not sure what kind of return we’d get. A unicorn coach? maybe if we package him and an assistant together.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Move from a position of depth. One head coach + one assistant GM should get us a heck of a return.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Raiders traded Jon Gruden that one time…
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
NHL does not allow trading of coaches. No compensation. That’s how Sutter was able to quit NJ and then go work for Calgary.
by Nigel Cadbury on Oct 25, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
For some reason, in my mind, I always linked Marc Crawford going to Quebec with the Sundin trade, even though they were separate things.
I think at one point you could “trade” coaches or at least get compensation to sign one away. But now they are not allowed to do so.
by Nigel Cadbury on Oct 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he the best option? Actually it’d be awesome if Kirk Muller took over as coach, even if just so we could rub it in Habs fans faces
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, thats
very true, especially the point about tying up your man in front of the net. It is absolutely essential to tie up the opponents stick while in front of the net. How many times do we watch our defensive core just let the other teams forward just sit in front of the net and wait for the pass. Our D needs to be more concerned about where the open man is, and not so much about where the puck is.
If someones in front of the net, they need to be tied up, pushed around a little bit. If you can get under their skin they are more likely to flub a pass and get frustrated. Thats just the way it works, and our D continue to ignore this.
by JohnerstonRex on Oct 25, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
When the PK is this bad, it’s gotta be failing on multiple levels.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Burke’s ego is definitely what’s preventing him from trading Komi; has nothing to do with his untradeable contract. And yeah, Wilson is horrible right now, he definitely deserves to be fired after such a bad start- oh wait.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
why the hell is this always about Burkes ego? Maybe he just thinks Orr is useful?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t he currently shooting at 100%?!? (or was after his first game).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure its a joke
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
we forget that his ‘ego’ has committed larceny several times during his tenure: does anyone remember how we got gardiner, franson lombardi, phaneuf, aulie?????
by Golden Gopher on Oct 25, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess people don’t get why orr is on the team. Maybe he helps the team in ways i’m oblivious too. If it is not Burke ego, maybe it is his judgement (when it comes to orr specifically). Then again maybe Burke is in love with orr and his decision to have orr on the team so other team wont run reimer etc.
I haven’t ever really understood the obsession with firing a coach when we all agree that this isn’t a good team. He’s got a good team this year and his future will be decided this year.
As for Komisarek, what do you propose they do with a player that has such a bad contract and a no movement clause?
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by PPP on Oct 25, 2011 8:33 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
When people aren’t satisfied with a team the easiest thing to do is to fire the coach.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Tell him to sit on the end of the bench and don’t fucking move.
Imitation is the most sincere form of mockery.
He does it well enough on the ice already
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey what a fantastic idea! that way we can run out a third pairing of Franson and Gardiner who are just as bad, if not worse in their own end! that will fix EVERYTHING!
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
SHUT UP WITH YOUR REASONING JARED
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s not about whether the team is good or not. it’s about whether the coach is good or not.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait wait! Let’s try something new.
Let’s look at Wilson’s last 15,000 minutes coached, and 834 goals against, shall we? I think that’s a long enough stretch that we should be able to judge him.
PK? PP? Defensive systems? Basic ability to cover the man in front? Basic ability to clear the zone? Consistency of effort? Energy at opening face-off?
Or is every single aspect of the game down to the assistant coaches and the players?
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by not norm ullman on Oct 25, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
nah, but it’s all on the coach apparently
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah.
But… what aspects of the game should we put down as Wilson’s responsibility?
Serious question.
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by not norm ullman on Oct 25, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
i’ve been trying to answer this question for 2 years
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Komi is a 7th defenceman who gets pillow soft minutes. You have him play a beyond simple game and you pray he doesn’t get caught out against elite opposition.
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by torleafsfan29 on Oct 25, 2011 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Komi gets pillow soft minuites? is that why he was on against Giroux and a red hot Jagr all last night?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t, that was PHaneuf and Gunnar. Komi was out there against Jagr on the PK and look how that turned out.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
so the PK is pillow soft minuites?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but it’s not like RW had a choice on the 4 min penalty. All the D-men had a go and Komi was out there for the go.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That should be “out there for the goal”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like a cop out, do you have the shift charts on hand to prove this?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but if my memory serves me correctly, Phaneuf had most of the assignments on Jagr. If someone posts data correcting me, I gladly retract my statement.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
The announcers kept saying that Phaneuf/Gunnar were matched up to the Jagr line.
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They were also playing in Philly so Laviolette was probably trying to keep Jagr away from them as much as he could too
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Phaneuf and Gunnar were definitely on against the Jagr line the most, and it makes sense that on a 4 minute PK you need to use all of your D.
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See I don’t like soft pillows, or soft mattresses for that matter. I like them to have some structure to them.
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Komisarek has for the most part been pretty good this season. Has he screwed up? Yes of course, glaringly so in some cases, but he has not been the worst player by far.
but he has not been the worst playerby far.
Curious, who would you say was so much worse?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Franson has been much worse than Komisarek, especially when you consider he has been asked to play on his off side, something he hasn’t done previously.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he has been much much worse than Komi
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t look any worse to me. He was out of position less, but at the same time guys got through him (like the Kelly goal where he was completely ineffective).
They probably have looked equally as bad.
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Komi, unlike Franson, has made some good plays to counter the bad, I cannot remember a single good thing Franson has done since donning a Leafs uni, pre or regular season
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Passsed it back to Kessel on that 3 on 2?
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Though I know it’s all hypothetical at this point, if Komi is on his opposite side, it’s my belief that he performs much worse than Franson has been performing on his off side, on a new team, first few games of the season.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs are 5-2-1 and there are suggestions of coach firing?
C’mon, they lost a game last night to a team that should have beaten them. They’ll be fine. If they go all Canadiens on us then it’s time for change.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
seriously. The guy who’s 1-5-2 still has a job, and people think that Wilson should be fired because we lost to reigning Cup champs and held it close with Phili? Yeah, the Jagr goals were ugly and the special teams still needs to be addressed, but I don’t understand how people can be looking to shake up where this team is right now.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Next we’ll lose to Washington and the Leafs should sell everything!
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I will note, though, that we’re at a -1 goal differential. It’s not like I expect us to keep up this point pace. The timing just seems odd.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya no kidding, Leafs probably didn’t deserve a lot of those points, but here we are.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Then again, being an undeserved 5-2-1 feels A LOT better than trying hard, being 0-7-1.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 25, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes and no.
The Leafs are, dare I say, getting lucky winning these games. They’re riding a hot Phil. Without him, we’ve got no chance at winning, lately. PDO numbers, Fenwick numbers, and our goal differential all bear this out.
It’s not wrong to point out that basic things that should be coached are not happening out there, and that includes when the team is winning.
This isn’t to say I’m a ‘fire Wilson’ kind of guy (I don’t see anyone else more qualified at the moment), but I don’t think people who bring up his teams’ shortcomings should be shouted down for suggesting it has to do with coaching.
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I prefer to look at it the other way:
Phil Kessel has matured into the kind of player who can win games singlehandedly.
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I want to believe this also. Dear god I hope it’s true.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Jacques Martin should be available soon.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s basically Phil + Reimer (please get healthy!) and Grabo (hopefully soon!) reaping the benefits of a hot Phil or vice versa.
The rest of the time it’s nail biting hockey especially on the PK. What else do we have?
for a 3rd/4th line player Steckel’s 3 goals is a nice unexpected-ish contribution
by Chi-town leafs on Oct 25, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said on Twitter – the Leafs results are more about who they’ve played than how they’ve played.
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Take the points where you can get them. Moral victories are annoying, but being on the other side isn’t so bad. Points are points.
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Oh probably
Its just nice to get some points we don’t deserve because last year it felt like every game was a moral victory. Its nice to be on the opposite side.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think at this point, Wilson has no one else to throw under the bus re: special teams. People gravitate towards firing him as a way to solve our PK and PP woes.
Personally, I think the team is still trying to learn new PP/PK systems ( Zone entry with D men in the rush, failed chip passes and clearing attempts on PK, missed coverage due to mental lapses)
But I can see given virtually little to no improvement over last year 7 games into the season that the mouthbreathing, glen healy loving, sun reading demographic of leafs nation would automatically point the finger at RW.
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they had part of the season plus a full week off to work on special teams. how fucking dumb are they?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
A FULL WEEK!
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umm, have you seen our team? I would hardly call any of them Mensa members.
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hockey’s not a hard game. unless they have IQs of like 90, they should be able to do it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Something like a quarter of the population have an IQ of 90 or less… Thats not that low. IQ is based on average of 100 and a SD of 15.
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The problem I think is, I’m not sure that having even an average IQ necessarily translates into being able to apply what are really fairly simple instructions in a faced paced, constantly changing environment.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we really having this discussion?
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i’m well aware. but 85 is also ‘borderline intellectual functioning’ (and also apparently the cutoff for military service) 90 is pretty low.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it really? The cutoff thing I mean. I had no idea.
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you basically need an IQ of 90 just to get through elementary school.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You sure about that? If you say you are, I’ll trust you (as I imagine you have taken your share of psych courses), but that doesn’t sound righ tto me.
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i don’t have my texts with me, so i’m looking some of this up on wiki. i do remember, however, having the same reaction as you when i first came to this realization.
think of it this way: 66% of people are between 85-115. So you think to yourself “well that means that of 100 people I know 66% of them are between those values. but i don’t know people who fit the criteria of people below 85.” the thing is, as someone who has graduated highschool, university, and now on your way to med school, you’re constantly surrounded by people on the right tail of the distribution. the people on the far far left end of the distrubtion were the ones who either were in special ed classes in elementary school, or never even were really in school. the ones in the 85-90 range are the ones who barely got through elementary school, and then either dropped out, or whatever. in fact, most of these people you probably never even encountered. the nature of these things means a lot of them are probably in rural areas…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No way Billy Madison had an IQ of 90.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They should in theory. In practice, apparently this is a different proposition.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Explain Joe Thornton being so good at hockey then?
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by SkinnyFish on Oct 25, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol. St. Thomas boys are pretty dumb, I agree.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh man, you met him and had a conversation with him?
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no, but you’ve seen how pained he looks trying to put together a sentence.
Mind you, I think those pauses are to stop him from cursing or saying something he shouldn’t
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poor public speaking skills do not translate to “dumb as a truck”
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
what about having a faux hawk
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn’t have one anymore
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but you admit he had one once
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Yup. I had one too. Does that make me stupid?
No.
Does it make me someone who shouldn’t have listened to his ex-gf?
Yes
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you had a faux hawk?
oh my
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If I only had pictures from when I was 17…
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Yup. I had one too. Does that make me stupid?
uh
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There are no pictures from that period in my life. The fauxhawk era only last a few weeks
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Yup. I had one too.
I can’t believe you would admit that.
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is that cody franson?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I have done dumber things.
Again, no shame. I learned from them all
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this morning I pushed my hair into a faux hawk to see how long it would take my wife to call me a moron
answer: 15 seconds
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my hair is not long enough to be a faux hawk
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
psh, short haired people. i could get a real mohawk going if I wanted to.
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Oh man you’re right. He isn’t a good speaker in interviews which of course means he is a dumbass.
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I did speak to him once! I asked him if he can sub in for my Wednesday night rec-league team… we had lost 21 in a row and told him this… He said, “No you haven’t!” Oh yes, Dion, we did…
you play for Columbus?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Kulemin is a genius for all I know. I’ve barely heard a word out of him in 3.5 years! lol
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Dave King who used to coach him said he was very smart
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
'until last night'
isn’t that an argument why you can’t just cut players loose? I mean, yesterday we all thought Gustavsson was a bust. But he put in a good effort so now we should keep him?
If Komisarek goes on a great run for two weeks, should we keep him? The powerplay might go 3/4 in Pittsburgh on Thursday. Does that mean whoever’s in charge is suddenly awesome?
That’s not good asset management. That ’s short term thinking
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If Komisarek goes on a great run for two weeks, should we keep him?
No. If Leafs can find a buyer, fucking sell him. That $4.5M is way too much.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
You just answered a rhetorical question.
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Five. No, six!
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
rhetorical, eh?
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by elseldo on Oct 25, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the linkage!
PS what don’t you agree with? :D
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 25, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions
Well
4. I think the Monster is 27, and unlikely to be developing much more. I’m about ready to give up on him. Throw him a few more games, but he needs to steal a few to remain in the NHL. He needs at least 10 or 12 solid games.
7. Gardiner totally blew his coverage on the Giroux goal, and totally missed Jagr on the last goal. I generally have enjoyed his play lately, but this was not a fantastic evening for him.
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Leafer1984 noticed that one of thsoe was on a minute in a half shift.
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So what the hell was he doing out there so long? That’s as much an indictment of his play as anything.
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Perhaps his partner went for a change and he couldn’t get off and then his line was stuck in their own zone.
There is 1 scenario how he could have had a long shift
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His partner going off doesn’t preclude him going off.
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he also might have been trapped out there and missed the change because he skated himself too deep into play, which he does a lot
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This really doesn’t contradict what I said about taking too long a shift being an indictment of his play.
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I know, just adding to the conversation, people like to forget how often Gardiner uses his fantastic skating for evil
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sometimes you get stuck on a shift. I don’t remember him being on a long time even (just noticed leafer posted it).
Gardiner has looked like what he is. A good prospect with some very good skills, but a little raw in a bunch of areas of his game. He is definitely making a couple of glaring mistakes in each game.
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Right.
Was this a game when he made a few costly mistakes? Yes. That’s what I’d call being a liability. Which is the opposite of what Mislav said he was in his notes on the game.
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I was mostly agreeing with you and just adding my two cents. He is a bit jeckyl and hyde out there because for the most part he looks really good. The problem with D (vs forwards) is consistency in play is probably more important. Playing great with a few terrible plays can be very costly on D.
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Hartnell you mean
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errr instead of Giroux
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Yeah, the 7th bit was a little out there. But still, I think he’s solid enough defensively given his age, experience etc… I think the Monster could still develop as far as the North American game goes. If for nothing other than the experience that comes from playing more games in this league.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember last year when everyone was going ga-ga over the possibility of Stamkos netting 50 in 50?
After 8 games last year, Stamkos had 8 goals. Phil has 9.
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But Kessel is no where near as good as Stamkos.
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Even speaking their names in the same sentence is blasphamy.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Shhhhhhhh. you’ll jinx it!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s not getting 50 in 50, merely pointing out the extreme Stamkos love that isn’t there for Phil.
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if Kessel had scored 51 goals last year and was not a Leaf there might be some
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if he scored 40 last year and wasn’t a Leaf there would be so many “Laffs missed opportunity to trade for Kessel when he was RFA” stories and comments everywhere.
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40 goals. I want 40 goals. He can do it. Kesselito!
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 25, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Kesselotto!
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 25, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, for sure. I love Phil. I really like his game so far this year. I think if he can even be remotely consistent and maybe score 40 goals this season he’ll go a long way to winning people over.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Since Phil plays for Toronto, he’ll have to prove he can be a 40 to 50 goal guy (not just prorated) before he gets much respect.
He’s off to a great start though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, woe be to the most popular team in hockey, for they get no respect
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
too many enemies
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
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No such thing. Fuck every other team in the NHL.
by lucc on Oct 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Columbus Blue Jackets
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Montreal is more hated, so
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
has any one noticed that toronto hab fans are far worse that montreals habs fans
by Golden Gopher on Oct 25, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if I was a Montreal Leaf fan I’d probably be extra obnoxious to compensate too
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Newfie Habs fans are the worst.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Oct 25, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my god this
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 25, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe in Boston, I know that my Western Canadian friends all hate the Leafs a lot more than they hate the Habs. I will regularly have a Canucks, Habs, and Flames fan ganging up on how the Leafs suck while agreeing on how all of their teams (except the Flames, everyone knows their boned) are way better.
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To be fair, the leafs have been not-good since the lockout. And if that counts as leaf-hate, well, nevermind. I understand why you think you’re persecuted.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not Leafs hate at all. Saying that Grabovski, Kulemin, and MacArthur would all be borderline 3rd liners on most teams (i.e. the habs or flames) and that Kessel is garbage is Leafs hate… and saying before the season that the Jets would easily finish above the Leafs who would have a lottery pick is Leafs hate.
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The Jets comment I think is idiocy not hate. Most of it probably is idiocy actually.
There is this false belief that those guys just get a TONNE of minutes because they are on the leafs. While they may be getting an extra minute or two a game it can’t be the only reason they were all in the top 60 or so in points and 3 of them were in the top 25 in goals.
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But it’s Leafs hate in that whenever I say anything positive about the Leafs it’s “you’re an idiot Leafs fan with Leafs glasses on and your team is garbage and they suck”, and if I say anything bad about another team “they’re better than the Leafs, lol, 1967”
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It’s been going on since way before the lockout, including when the Leafs were making runs to the conference finals. Even when ignoring hockey, a lot of Canadians have always loved to hate Toronto as the unofficial capital of this country. So that will logically extend to the city’s hockey team.
Being from Toronto
One of the reasons that people hate us, is because Torontonian’s make comments like this:
Toronto as the unofficial capital of this country
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by BCapp on Oct 25, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, it is
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
and the excessive use of the phrase “World Class City”
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by elseldo on Oct 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, it is
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Toronto is a fantastic city, no argument there.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well as it is an undefined thing (unofficial capital) you can call it that, but you come off as an elitist douche.
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The problem is that they’re idiots because the word “Capital” means centre of government, which it isn’t. But it’s pretty much the most significant city in almost every way.
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It’s the capital of Ontario, so there’s that.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but we’re talking about people calling it the “Capital of Canada”, so that’s irrelevant.
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Canada’s not the only country that doesn’t have its biggest city as the capital. For instance Sydney is not the capital of Australia, Canberra is.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t see what that has to do with anything here.. Washington isn’t the biggest city in the US either.
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I’m not really sure what point you guys are arguing anyway. So what if Toronto isn’t the actual capital of Canada? That doesn’t diminish its importance to the country in any way.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at the original comment. It was along the lines of non Torontonian Canadians hate the Leafs because they hate Toronto because its the unofficial captial of Toronto…
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hush, the canadians are bickering
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys shoot each other, we have nonsensical debate
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You want a nonsensical debate? We’ve got that in spades.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, but you guys shoot each other after, or during…or before
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We take our nonsense very seriously.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not that rare. Brazil’s capital city is Brazilia?? DC is not the biggest city in the US, and New Dehli is the capital of India…
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If I remember my Heritage Moments videos, Ottawa was chosen over Toronto because it was farther away from the Americans and easier to defend.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember the same thing
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“why the fuck would the Americans ever want to come to Ottawa? it sucks!”
“perfect! they’ll never attack our capital again!”
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Niagara-On-The-Lake was also in the running, but since the Americans burned down their forts without leaving the US it was nixed as well.
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Or the US: NY vs DC
Brasil: Rio vs Brasilia…
not too uncommon.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
wait 10 years
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s kind of chalks up to an inferiority complex on the part of all the haters. Being from KW, Toronto was always seen as the big city that is ignorant of anything else going on around it, although I know thats not true.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
We got another KWian up in here? I always wonder if I ever went to elementary school with anyone on the boards.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafer’s jsut there for schoolin’
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ah... so you go to UW...
or the highschool across the street?
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ever go to Centennial, Westvale or Meadowlane PS?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, you’re one of those people.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
KW pretty much is Toronto though, when people from Vancouver bash Toronto they’re bashing all the cities around it.
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people from the west often use Toronto as a synonym for Ontario
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So what’s the latest city that has been added to the ever expanding suburbs of Toronto?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
KW isn’t around Toronto..way too much farmland in between
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This isn’t an argument about geography.
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is it an argument about anything?
just sayin’ KW isn’t one of the cities around Toronto.
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Discussion, not argument. My statement was that when people from Western Canada or other places complain about “Toronto people” they are including people from places near Toronto like the KW. It’s like 100km away, that’s pretty close.
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100 km isn’t close.
i live 100 km from toronto and goddammit I am not part of the GTA.
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I think that’s subjective then, to me anything is close when you could drive there and back in a day without being impractical.
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I think that’s subjective then, to me anything is close when you could drive there and back in a day
umm… do you live in Siberia or something?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you talking about. If you can drive somewhere in under about 2 hours it’s somewhat practical to drive there and back in a day. If it’s like a 3+ hour drive it makes more sense to find a place to stay over so you aren’t spending the whole day driving.
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i guess, I cut Burlington off as the outer fringes of the GTA.
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Technically it is the edge of the GTA (it’s the only city part of the GTA and Greater Hamilton Census Area), but from the standpoint of a guy from Montreal or Victoria who hates Toronto, everything between Kingston, Hamilton, and Windsor is Toronto.
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The thing with Burlington and Oakville is that they have a reasonably large city (Hamilton) on the other side. So you kind of end up on the edge of Hamilton instead of the edge of Toronto.
My completely personal and far from definitive outlook on the “GTA” is:
Oshawa in the East, Aurora in the North, and Mississauga and Brampton in the West.
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Ha, whats funny is that the one friend I had when I moved to the US in 9th grade was from Brampton (and Indian). How stereotypical!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, in Burlington you’re close enough to Toronto that you’re pretty much there, a lot more people commute from Burlington to Toronto than to Hamilton (I’ve done both and the traffic difference shows it).
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Shrug
They aren’t hard lines.
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From Wikipedia article on Burlington:
The federal 2006 Census denoted it as a part of the Hamilton Census Metropolitan Area. Provincially, it is a municipality of the Greater Toronto Area.
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Our high schools also used to compete to play in the Metro Bowl (GTA High School Championship), before being moved to the Golden Horseshoe Bowl (Hamilton-Niagara Area HS Championship).
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See that’s where I completely disagree. I live a block away from Woodbridge and when people that I’m from there, I correct them immediately.
Burlington is Burlington. You don’t live in Toronto, you live in Burlingotn
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Not Toronto, but the GTA. But once again, this whole discussion was about people from other parts of Canada’s view on Toronto. People from Vancouver don’t know what the fuck Burlington is.
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And I meant “pretty much there” in relation to being closer to Hamilton. I can drive from Burlington to Toronto in 30 minutes without traffic (which is rare), and hop on an express GO train and be there in 45. It’s close enough that a large proportion of the population commutes to Toronto.
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From out here in Calgary …. yes you are.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
to the rest of the country, pretty much everything east of Parry Sound is “Toranna” in Ontario. Aside from maybe Ottawa.
by Nigel Cadbury on Oct 25, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Calgary? is that near vancouver?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, it is. Vancouver is a weekend trip (as opposed to the above conversation about “day trips”) from here.
A grueling driving weekend, and not something you’d chance in the winter through the mountains, but they aren’t far apart at all.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, there are several decent sized cities right there, including Guelph and Cambridge. So, no not in the middle of nowhere.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
…who ravages the poor smaller cities; consuming education and then moving on!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
psh, yeah. Rangers games.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No it really isn’t
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To someone who’s not from around here and has never heard of KW it pretty much is. I’m sure tons of people from KW will say they’re from Toronto when explaining where theyre from to people from other countries.
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saskatoon is regina!
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s about 3x the distance between those.
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to someone not from around there and has never heard of saskatoon there pretty much is. I’m sure tons of people from Saskatoon will say they are from Regina when explaining where they are from to people from other countries
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think a lot of people from other countries would even know where either of those are.
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most people from other countries wouldn’t know where Saskatchewan was, doesn’t diminish my point
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
people from other countries don’t usually know shit about Canada and that using that as a reason to say KW is Toronto is not a good argument
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t arguing that “KW is Toronto”… I was saying that when people from other parts of Canada bash Toronto they are also bashing all the areas around it as they lump people from the area together. I used people from a different country as an example because they would be unfamiliar with the minute details of Canadian geography and would therefore need to use Toronto as a reference point for pretty much any city in Ontario other than Ottawa, Hamilton, or Windsor (which would use Detroit).
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And anyone from Toronto within earshot will correct them.
Someone from Barrie wont say they are from Toronto, why KW
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How would someone from Barrie explain where Barrie is then, without saying “Oh it’s X distance from Toronto” then?
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Where you from?
Barrie?
Where is Barrie?
Its about an hour north of Toronto.
Oh.
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you realize this is how every person from everywhere talks about every city that is not a major internationally known city
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect. My response to the same question asked of me in the states:
“where you from”
-Kitchener, (awkward pause as person tries to hide that they have no clue where that is) it’s 45 mins this side of Toronto.
“oh, okay, I drive by there on my way to Toronto all the time!”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
As a person from Barrie, this is bang on.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Great point Lucc. 5 stars. Really.
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I don't get the Toronto hatred accross this country
Than I meet an middle age or older Torontonian who thinks Toronto is Canada and nothing else matters.
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a couple months ago I met a middle aged Montrealer who thought Montreal was Canada and nothing else matters.
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
circles! We’re going around in Circles!
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shhhh you’re ruining it
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
better than running into a middle aged Montrealer who thinks Montreal is France.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
For sure, but I am just saying that I didn’t get why people hated Torontonians and thought we were self absorbed douches. Then I discussed it with middle aged Torontonians and realized a lot of htem had those very outlooks.
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right, but that isnt a viable excuse since lots of people from most major cities are self absorbed douches, why does toronto get extra hate over Vancouver or Montreal?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea
Please answer me, as I am very curious.
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Err I meant to say:
Please provide the answer if you know it.
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cause they are jealous
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
there’s a whole song about why toronto Sucks!
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I’m from Toronto and here is a list of other Canadian cities I don’t hate
Calgary
Halifax
Moncton
end list.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
as a city, I love Montreal,
Quebec City is also great, the rest of the places I like are too small to be classified as cities
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Calgary
…
…
I’ve only been to Calgary out of the other big cities
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 25, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
lived there for 9 months in 97/98 I really liked it.
by Nigel Cadbury on Oct 25, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
some of the Toronto hate in Alberta can be traced back to Ralph Klein and the “bums and scums” comments.
Back during the Great Western Migration, we were all about “taking yer jobs”.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
… and the National Energy Policy, and a whole bunch of Eastern-centric government decisions which happened at the time. Toronto gets lumped in with Ottawa from out here because it is generally felt that any monetary policy which hinders the West and benefits the non-West originates on Bay Street.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure so that explains hating the city somewhat or the national government. But the hatred of Torontonians and the shit they get as “ignorant, douches, etc” seems odd. Especially when (for what ever reason) the hatred seems so much larger than it is for Montrealers and Ottawa-ites (what is the word for this?)
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This is what I don’t get. Exactly what kind of attention needs to be paid to other areas of Canada by Toronto? What’s going on in other parts of the country that’s so great that I need to drop what I’m doing in Toronto and pay attention?!
see, this is where a non-torontarian immediately thinks “good hockey, lol”
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If we’re ignoring the fact that most great hockey players come from Ontario (south-western Ontario at that).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
well yes
at this very second, it doesn’t work
but then again up until april the Bruins were big playoff chokers, so
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/checks standings
LOL Bruins!
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
hey at least we kept Jagr from scoring goals
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but what about everyone else?
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And how is that even a bad thing? He’s one of the best players in NHL history…
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by happiergilmore on Oct 25, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
/looks at standings
//doesnt get joke
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t tell if your serious…
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I was being half serious. I don’t get the “Toronto is ignorant about everything but themselves” argument. As if people from other parts of Canada give a shit about what’s going on in Toronto.
I moved from Toronto to KW(Cambridge technically), people here are douche canoes
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve spent significant time living in KW, Kingston, Thunder Bay and the GTA
people everywhere are douche canoes
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
London?
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I was drunk the whole 7 years I was in london, does that count?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I take offense to that, unless (living in Cambridge/Kitchener you are referring to actual canoes because of the proximity to the Grand River).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I moved to the KW area from Ottawa and I’m going to university here. Ottawa is pretty douchey and worse than KW in terms of fan base haha. Which is why I’m a Leafs fan.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
3rd year.
Ottawa has probably the worst fans for an NHL team. The amount of people that were fans the year after the Cup Run was crazy, and then after they got pumped by the Penguins in the first round of the playoffs that year, they could barely sell a seat the following year.
And they have an abysmal team.
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And with popularity comes irrational hatred. To the point where a lot of otherwise sensible people let their anti-Leaf bias underrate our better players.
You’d be amazed how many of these people go on about how terrible Kessel is when I doubt they’d think that if he played for any other team.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Trust me, plenty of Bruins fans thought Phil Kessel sucked when he was here.
I wasn’t one of them, but they’re out there.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
pretty much and going to a division rival like the Leafs did not help his case with many of those people, had he gone to Nashville or whatever it would probably not be as bad
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
IIRC, wasn’t he really weak in 2007-08, got scratched for a couple playoff games before catching fire in 2008-09?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 25, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Sat for a game, yeah. Then scored a bunch on Montreal, including 2 goals in Puck Daddy’s 5th best game of the decade, game 6 2008 habs@bruins. Those goals are dirty, too.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
/siiiiigh oh Phil
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I remember that being his turning point. I think there was an SI article about his turnaround, and i was all “damn, he’s going to be a good player.”
Less than a year later, he was a Leaf. True story.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean, it’s not like he was a bad player before or anything. He was still picked what, 5th overall? And that was because he dropped for “character issues” or “saying um too many times in team interviews” or whatever?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah we’ve all heard how there was debate going into that draft season that it could be either Crosby or Kessel 1st overall. Of course now we can see that there’s really no comparison there between Crosby and nearly anyone else in the league. But Kessel is rounding out into a very, very good player.
Until he goes goalless for three games and people talk about how Tyler Seguin is point per game this year.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah we’ve all heard how there was debate going into that draft season that it could be either Crosby or Kessel 1st overall.
Crosby- 1st overall in 2005
Kessel- 5th overall in 2006.
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there was also never any question of Crosby going first over all
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it was people trying to create an “American vs a Canadian” thing.
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I remember Duthie saying that some GMs said they would’ve picked Phil over Sid if they were in the same draft year
Yes TSN and other draft outlets hype up prospects all the time.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was the first second line.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no. You got it backwards. It’s the second first line!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember kessel being toughted as the “American Crosby” but I don’t remember anything like that
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t doubt it but it’s not just stupid now, it was stupid then.
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that interview is so hilarious. the moment he looks at the TV and gets scared is priceless. where’s that gif?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
What kind of university has slow wifi?
by Tickle Me Aulie on Oct 25, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
too many people on hockey forums during class.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, my welfare-loving friend, let me explain…
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL. it kills me.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This proves nothing, everyone looks awkward in the Boston jersey. Look at Thomas and Lucic.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 25, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thomas looks pretty comfortable
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How dare you! :D Thomas is cool, I’ll admit that.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 25, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
VICTOR HEDMAN IS THREE TIMES BETTER THAN NIKLAS LIDSTROM
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HIS COMPARABLES ARE PAUL COFFEY, RAY BOURQUE, AND BOBBY ORR.
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This kid’s got the speed and hands of a young Colby Armstrong.
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone did get compared to Armstrong this year
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I wanna say Noesen who got drafted by the Sens
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What an awful state of affairs that’d be!
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Biggs was compared to Milan Lucic if I remember correctly, and Percy to Lidstrom
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by Chris Stoikoff on Oct 25, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got the USA Today article bookmarked on my other comp where they state this.
by Nigel Cadbury on Oct 25, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
so you’re saying there’s a chance
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Amazing to me
that the Flyers continued to have success on what is very obviously a set play to spring Jagr.
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When you have a guy who has cement blocks for skates, it can work
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Schenn and Komisarek look fucking awful on the first goal.
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Yup. Komi looked awful a lot last night
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I actually thought he was playing half decently early in the game. By the end I was ready to toss his ass in the press box.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I screamed at Komi on that one.
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Same, he looked like he made a lazy, half-assed lunge at Jagr so it looked like he was trying… nobody was fooled.
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He wasn’t not trying, he was just completely oblivious that Jaromir fucking Jagr was flying up the middle tapping his stick as the d-man was loading up the pass.
His feet were completely motionless, so yeah, it’s not so much that he wasn’t try as much as he was in a horrible position to begin with due to suckage.
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It’s all that much more imperative that a D-man with brutal footspeed anticipate the transition towards his zone more effectively.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The coaching staff, for reasons I can’t fathom, has the defence skating all the way up to centre ice on the PK when the puck is cleared. I said during the pre-season that a team that could make good outlet passes was going to burn us for that, and lo and behold . . .
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by Draglikepull on Oct 25, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
they’re trying to put pressure on the other team and create neutral-zone turnovers. the logic, i believe, is that if our PK is fucking dogshit in our own end, lets try to prevent them from getting there.
instead, we just give up odd-man rushes and breakaways.
meanwhile, other teams clog up their blueline and we can’t even fucking gain the zone on the PP.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The D hasn’t done a good enough job of clogging the neutral zone. They let too many players slip by them
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is possibly what you were saying already
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
one part Jagr having really good hockey sense and being able to spot defensive weakness
two parts Leaf defensive play ineptness
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
gotta say, I am very surprised how good his skating still is, I knew his hands, awareness and shot could all still be very good, but he out accelerated Gardiner on that last goal
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Still hilarious that he totally said ‘fuck you’ to the Pens to sign with their rival. Spectacular.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
seeing him behind the net a couple times as well reminded me what a beast he was/is on the puck. even more so than Mats was.
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Dear god he had two defenseman and a forechecker on him at one point and got off a clear pass to Giroux. It was amazing (as a hockey fan) and terrible (as a leafs fan)
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He just shrugged off Phaneuf like he was Kaberle behind the net.
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by Draglikepull on Oct 25, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
50 points is my guess, though i joked he might have 40 by january.
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I used historical comps and everything.
Of note: Guys with 1600 career points don’t have very many comps.
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I for one, am ready to embrace the "Luke Adam is our first line center" bandwagon.
I used what I saw of his international play VS NHL competition
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s embarrassing himself in that he would probably be making more money right now if he had stayed in the NHL and shown he still had it.
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If he stayed in the NHL instead of going to Russia and played awesome he would probably have been able to sign a huge contract after a few years of 60+ point seasons. Instead he went to Russia and had to take a pay cut to come back the the NHL.
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(also just trying to look for a way to make Jared’s prediction true, I know it’s stretching and I guess I made the mistake of forgetting how serious people like to take things)
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He must totally have egg on his face after signing a $3.3M contract as a 39 year old.
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he also probably made a butt load of money to play in the KHL
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
really? i remember hearing he made something like what Leafer said below
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
probably? Didn’t he make $15M a season?
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Plus endorsement money as he was basically marketed as the best player in the KHL.
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I for one, am ready to embrace the "Luke Adam is our first line center" bandwagon.
Plus the tax strucutre is WAY different over there and no escrow
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
but then the KHL went through that whole not being able to pay their players and bouncing checks and stuff
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
After making like $5M a year, tax-free, the past few years in Russia while living like a king. Accounting for taxes, he’s probably made double what he would’ve made playing in North America in the same amount of time.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
He made pretty good money in the KHL so i can’t blame him really.
Of course, had he not gone back to Europe for three years its not inconceivable that he could have finished his career second in total points.
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Continue to have success?
Those 2 goals were his only goals of the season. He hadn’t done it before last night….
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I think he meant that the were able to continue to do it twice more after the first time.
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On a related note, I’m sure it’s just confirmation bias but if we could stop being slumpbusters at some point I’d be really happy,
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I think Gardiner was at the end of a long shift on the 2nd Hartnell goal, can someone confirm?
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Hartnell’s goal came at 8:34 of the 3rd. Gardiner was on the ice for 1:17 prior to the goal.
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cripes kid, take a shorter shift
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember thinking “OH fuck long shift” then boom, Gardiner is tired and can’t handle Hartnell in front
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either way, the problem with sending Gardiner down is that he has been one of our best 4 defencemen…send him down and we get worse. At least wilson seems to view it that way…
I don’t know if he has been that good until Saturday when they moved him up to Schenn’s line. His speed has complemented Schenn well.
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He still has serious problems with his strength, but that’s a long term project. I’m fine with keeping him on the team right now relative to our other options.
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by Draglikepull on Oct 25, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s basically how I feel. Ideally he’d be in the AHL, but our D “depth” just isn’t working out the way we intended yet…
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Just rewatched the first HArtnell goal
The goat horns belong to 3 people.:
Lombardi, Gunnarsson and Phaneuf.
All 3 made a bad or lazy play
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I can’t stand seeing two Leafs behind the net in their own zone at any point in time, never mind on the PK. Gunnar and Lombardi both went after the puck behind the net.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
So is the consensus that Gus played much better last night than he has so far? I didn’t get to see any of the game other than his Hartnell breakaway save, sounds like he was better though.
He played well, he really did.
I’m just sick of games where the goalie plays well and the Leafs still allow 4 goals.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the positives though, that was the first game in a very long time where the Leafs have played in front of Gus and actually had their legs. Hopefully last night’s game goes a long way both for his confidence, and for the team having confidence in front of him. Bobrovsky was equal to the task at the other end and Philly is a stronger team than us. Solid showing for the most part.
Last night was one of those weird games where the goalie puts up an .867 and really can’t be blamed for the loss at all. He made a number of spectacular saves and was looked much more confident positionally. Two breakaway goals against Jagr, hard to knock him for that. The one snipe by Hartnell was questionable, perhaps he could have been out further to cut down the angle more. And I believe the other goal was from a crash the net play.
Its a thin edge of the knife he walks these days.
He made 26 saves, gave up 2 breakaway goals to a guy who still has some mad skillz, our offense managed only 2 goals. We lost.
Biron made 27 saves and he won.
I think quality of competition is at play here… Didn’t look like a terrible game for Gus, but still, no points is no points.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
to be fair, Biron was playing the Jets
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I was driving at. Gus probably played well enough to beat some NHL teams last night, just not the one the Leafs actually had to play.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Gustavsson’s not the reason the Leafs lost last night.
I’m dumbfounded that people think last night is a huge turning point for him or something he should be proud of.
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All I’ll say is he looked more confident than in the past. Hard to fault him on any goal except maybe the Hartnell one (I had a bad stream, so I can’t say with certainty).
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t need to be singularly at fault for a goal to have not played well.
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You think he didn’t play well? I wouldn’t call him amazing or anything like that, but I though he played pretty well.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Chemmy is not a fan.
Living and dying with the Blue and White, season to season, game to game, shift to shift.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not a fan because he’s not a good goalie, I don’t think he’s a bad goalie because I’m not a fan.
Did Jonas Gustavsson run over my dog? What reason aside from “he isn’t very good and I want the Leafs to win games” could I have for not liking him?
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There really was no way to win that game, Gus or not, with that kind of defensive play. So that’s where I lose you. I understand you don’t think Gus is good. Fine. I was just referring to the single game – and I thought he performed pretty well.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And I’ve said at least fifty times since last night that I don’t think Jonas Gustavsson is in any way responsible or to blame for last night’s loss.
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Ah okay, must have misunderstood then.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just tired of the number of times we’ve said after a Gustavsson loss, “that wasn’t his fault.” After how many times does it become his fault? Because he’s lost a lot of times the past two seasons.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. Just because he didn’t let in four complete howlers doesn’t mean that it’s not still his problem.
He put up an .867 last night to move to .857 on the year.
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And frankly that’s why Reimer is our starter. Having a backup that’s good enough to be a starter is great, but we really just need a backup where after every game we don’t spend hours trying to prove that not all the goals were his fault.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you know what else is nice?
Not having to use the phrase “all the goals” in reference to our goalie
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A man can dream…
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it was tipped joe
Gustavsson has NO chance
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by pho king awesome on Oct 25, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Separately: I wish you were my boss because when a guy with an .850 SV% puts up an .867 I don’t see why people are in a hurry to congratulate him for playing well. He didn’t.
Would Reimer have won last night? Probably not.
Did Gustavsson do what he usually does and literally shit all over himself while throwing a temper tantrum? No.
But last night isn’t a great performance by a goalie unless he’s been so bad that the bar for his success is now literally “didn’t single handedly lose us a game to a bottom dweller”.
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by Chemmy on Oct 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don’t know what he could have reasonably done to even steal the game. Stop both of Jagr’s breakaways? Sure, but that’s a standard that would never be applied to another goaltender. Jagr on a breakaway, with his shot and moves? Barely a chance for the goalie. Gus even made a big save on the second breakaway
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The criteria to judge Gustavsson contains more options than “single handedly lost us the game” (which he’s done plenty of times) and “stole the entire show”.
He did neither of those last night.
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My problem with this comment
Separately: I wish you were my boss because when a guy with an .850 SV% puts up an .867 I don’t see why people are in a hurry to congratulate him for playing well. He didn’t.
Is that save percentage is not a good way to judge a goalie on an individual game. He had a good game last night. I am not congratulating him because his 0.867 is higher than 0.850. I am saying it because I think he played well. If that was Thomas in net (who has a much higher s%) I would still say it was a good game.
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He’s a goalie with a long history of poor play. Nobody would have congratulated Reimer for that last night.
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I disagree. If Reimer had played exactly the same I would have said it was a good game.
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Then I stand by my comment that I wish you guys were my boss.
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Didn’t you not even watch the game last night? He made a ton of difficult saves and kept the team in the game. I am in no way arguing that he is a good goalie or worth keeping on this team (becuase frankly I don’t think he is). I just think that using s% alone to judge a goalie on one game is silly.
A goalie who see’s like 13 or 14 easy shots in a game and lets in a stinker had a worse game than a goalie who sees 30, makes tough saves and lets in 3 extremely difficult to save goals.
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Most goalies make tons of difficult saves every game and in general they make a lot more of them.
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That doesn’t argue my point that judging his performance on one game by S% alone is silly.
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You didn’t really make a point, you just said “It’s silly” and while I wouldn’t trade a guy for one game with a bad SV% I think given Gustavsson’s SV% over the past 20 games it’s relevant.
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I don’t think its all that relevant in judging the individual game. He played a good game and saying it wasn’t good because of his save percentage while not looking at the rest of the game IS silly.
Regardless this is going in circles.
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He didn’t play a “good” game. He played an ok game.
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Define a “good” game
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That’s completely ignorant of you
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You’re kind of cranky today.
I don’t think he played “bad” or even “kind of bad”. I just don’t think he played “good”. I don’t think it’s something we should hold up as what we want or expect.
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I’m not cranky. I think basing your argument on the fact that his Save % for a single game was .867 makes him have a bad game is ignorant.
Save % is incredibly useful when talking about seasons and careers, but for a single game, come on.
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I didn’t say he had a bad game anywhere.
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He made some really solid saves last night. Like I said, he looked like an adequate backup. If Gus could come in and play 25 games like he did last night – giving us a chance to win against a good team – I would be totally ok with that. I’m not ready to say that he can do that for 25 games though – this is one fricking game. He’s earned another shot, but unless he can do what he did last night in 7 or 8 more consecutive performances, he’s gotta go.
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Also if despite “looking good” in those 8 games he still has an .850 he needs to go.
Don’t care if it’s his fault or not.
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yep. if he “looks good” and goes:
2-5-1 .850 – needs to go
4-4-0 .900 – can probably stick around
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.900 would rank him among the worst in the league.
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if he was a better goalie he’d be a starter instead of a backup.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
.900 would rank him among the worst backups in the league.
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ok. put a .905 in my first post…. THEN he can stay. .904 though, scram.
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But they're only .001 apart, that's practically nothing
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Evidence to support this statement
Here is last years back ups s% (goalies with 10-35 GP)
There are 35 goalies in the list
19 were 0.910 and up
6 were 0.900-0.909
10 were 0.899 or less
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I agree with Chemmy
When is the last time Gus stole a game? Good teams have a a backup who can go out and steal a game. If you think Gus has that 35 shot 34 save game in him great but I don’t. How many games do we see other teams play their backup who has some .965 SPCT game against the Leafs?
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by torleafsfan29 on Oct 25, 2011 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As I said yesterday, I don’t think Gustavsson has a future with the leafs. I’m not defending him.
HOwever, I will say that he gave the Leafs a chance to win yesterday and the team in front of him, failed him
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He played ok. Not his fault the Leafs lost.
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Burtch was right to some extent – there are other glaring holes in the Leafs game that are apparent on a game to game basis.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
What a controversial opinion.
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Goaltending is a big concern for us, I agree, and I also agree that despite how Gus OR the team plays, .867 goaltending is not good enough now and never will be. But I personally am equally concerned by how awful the team looks alot of the time in their own zone.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So is everyone. No person with eyes and a brain thinks the Leafs are stacked everywhere but the net.
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I’m done. I disagree.
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by MapleLeafMole on Oct 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the polarity around Gustavsson is that he’s a big athletic goaltender and watching him make sprawling saves it’s easy to think “whoa this guy can do some cool stuff out there”.
His athleticism is likely high enough for him to dominate the SEL and the AHL (which he tore up last year) but I don’t think he has the positioning or the reflexes to translate that to the NHL against better talent.
There are tons of forwards like this: Alex Giroux scores like 2ppg every year in the AHL and has lead skates so he can’t do anything in the show.
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Yep. People see “agility” and think Thomas and Hasek. The truth is, those guys also have/had phenomenal angles (and much better skating). It’s not enough to just be “fast,” and certainly not enough just to be tall.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fixed
Yep. People see "agility" and think Thomas andHasek. The truth is, those guys also have/had phenomenal angles (and much better skating). It’s not enough to just be "fast," and certainly not enough just to be tall.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. He’ll likely never translate to an NHL goalie.
Thing is he wasn’t constantly (I have no way to quantify this) off his angles last night. He didn’t lose track of the puck/play always (Again wasn’t keeping count). He actually made a few saves through screens and deflections (nothing to back it up). His technical issues weren’t so glaringly obvious last night.
Of course, this more evidence to how low the bar has been set for the poor guy.
Wendel willing he builds on last night.
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by MapleLeafMole on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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True. But that save is kind of typical of Gus. He’ll make a giant reflex saves that show of his flexibility. Everyone – and I worry Brian Burke is among them – is awestruck.
Then he’ll let in a stinker because his angle play is poor. To be an NHL goalie your angles need to be bang on, no bullshit.
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by MapleLeafMole on Oct 25, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. He makes amazing saves no goalie has any business making and then he lets in a wrist shot from the top of the circles.
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which is why he keeps breaking our heart…if he were just average AND kept making those incredible saves, he’d be a great goalie.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I did a post
about our center depth over the next couple years
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
We are in a bit of a tough spot at the moment. I definitely want to see Colborne in the NHL next year but I don’t think it’s a bad thing for him to be seeing 3rd line action. Many of the better teams in the league do shelter their up-and-coming centers on the 3rd line. And as it stands right now, looking at our wingers, Kadri could still be on the 3rd line next year too so they might get some Marlies synergy going there.
Grabbo at age 27 is a tantalizing piece for the team going forward but he’s going to be expensive to re-sign and we’re not cup contenders just yet. We have to be careful not to overvalue his contributions to our roster. We’re stuck with Connolly for next year, that’s a given (unless he retires from career-ending boneitis). I hope we can flip Grabbo for a 1st and more, then package that return up with something else for another young top-6 guy.
If we can’t get a high end NHL-ready prospect for Grabbo than he should be resigned. I would like to think he could be had for something like 5/25.
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If he repeats as a 60+ point player with solid defensive abilities, I think that’s a fair asking price for a team looking to go deep.
Haha
I actually meant his salary. 5 years/25 mil.
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Given what Leino got in the open market — if I’m his agent I’m going to make him wait. I think he could easily get $5.5M per and maybe even $6M on an overpay by a new owner
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Ya his agent is probably pushing for UFA, or forcing Burke to offer UFA prices.
High end-ish guys get stupid money on July 1.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
grabbo seems to be the type to take a home town “discount”
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I could see it but I always always expect people to focus on self-interest.
Even “nice guys” and guys who are “happy here” want to get paid fairly, especially when it’s their first shot at UFA.
I don’t hold it against him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
yah, thus the quotes, I think he would take a fair offer from Burke to stay in Toronto where his two young daughters were born and he got his big career shot
meaning I dont think it will take a crazy UFA like offer to retain his services, but he will want “market value” if Burke lowballs him, I expect Grabbo to test the open market, and if someone offers him 6 a year, then I wish him well on his new team
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
If he’ll accept 3-4 years I don’t think 6 is unreasonable. Its more than I want to pay but probably worth it to retain him.
If he wants 5-6 years (Burke max) I wouldn’t want to pay more than 5-5.4
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unless grabbo scores 30 goals and is close to 70 points again, 6 mill would be nuts
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya that’d be insane.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Its an overpayment for sure, but are willing to lose him over 500-750 thousand cap space?
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for nothing I would probably be a bit angry, but if he gets 6 mill on the open market I could live with the “well we dont have that contract on our hands” rationalization
plus if that is what he is asking for during negotiations with Burke he is so fucking traded at the deadline
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
This is kinda what Im getting at. Unless he’ll take a hometown discount, I think Burke will feel he’s asking for too much.
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
yeah, say Grabbo is on pace to match last years totals while being as good defensivley I would say 5 is a fair offer per year, that is Plekanec or Bergeron money
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
When they signed the deal is relevant too. Cap has been rising and contracts should rise commensurate to it.
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6 mill for grabbo is stupid no matter what
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Plekanec was signed before 10/11 when the cap was going to be 59.4. If the cap goes up about 2 mil to 66.3 mil that is an increase of 11.6%. That increase on 5 mil/year is 5.58. In a sense that would be Grab’s signing a similar contract to Plekanec.
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grabbo is also older
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
he also had both a 69 and 70 point season under his belt
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
So how do we feel about that number? I like the comp. between the two players so do we feel comfortable with the deal?
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5.5 on 3 years max
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget: New CBA this year.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Diabolical solution:
If Grabbo wants $6m I’d rather trade him for a 1st + solid prospect, package that up with, say, our 1st and another roster player/prospect (whatever it takes really), land Parise, and pay him $8m.
Why not just trade Grabbo + our first for Parise…
Parise Q: can he still play C?
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Because Grabbo + our 1st is approximately half of what it would take to even start talking about trading for Parise…
And it doesn’t matter who plays C when you have Kessel on one side and him on the other.
I disagree. If we are talking about acquiring him at the deadline with the chance he goes UFA at the end of the season his value isn’t THAT high. The last two players I can think of in this situation were Kovi and Hossa. They cost a fair bit, but not the kings ransom that they would be worth to get them as a long term asset.
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The Devils will ask for Colborne or Kadri and/or one of our goalies and we all know it.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t we just wait for UFA as opposed to trading 2 1sts and a prospect for Parise? Looks like a good draft, not sure I want Parise unless he’s willing to re-sign here for a good bit of time.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I imagine you don’t make that trade without permission to speak to Parise first to see if he’d stay.
To compare it to the Kovalchuk trade IIRC:
Atl traded:
Kovi
#6/7 D
Their first
NJD traded:
Bergfors (top 6 prospect)
#3/4 D
Their first
Cormier (3rd liner prospect)
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I still don’t understand why NJD of all teams really wanted Kovi, and on such a crappy contract. He doesn’t mesh with their style at all.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That wasn’t on the contract that was just trading for him mid-year.
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Oh I know. I just stil don’t know why they: A) wanted him and B) wanted to sign him for a gagillion years on a defense-first team
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
They thought he’d sell them tickets. Which hasn’t exactly worked out either
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we could wait for UFA, sure. But then there’s that whole bidding war thing. And the distinct possibility that he signs with a team that’s “closer” to winning. Like I said this is purely rosterbating. We probably don’t even have enough to trade for him compared some other teams out there.
Burke won’t win a UFA bidding war because he’s unwilling to go longer than 5 years and manipulate the cap.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
May not be a problem next year… CBA is expiring…
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Burke and possibly a few other GMs will try to fight these fake contracts that no one has any intention of ever completing
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But does anybody really expect the NHL to completely change the way contracts are honoured? Besides existing contracts are most likely going to be grandfathered in so it really doesn’t matter what you sign now re: new CBA
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
By the looks of it Galchenyuk is gong to drop in draft rankings because of his acl surgery and is going to be a steal to however takes him, I hope we keep our first
lots of good players slated to go middle 1st round
the guy I want (at about 10-15th) is Frk
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Be honest
Do you just want him for his name?
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gotta say it is a big part of it
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The puns practically write themselves.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Oct 25, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d buy a jersey if he ever made the team.
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I said that about Tlusty at one point. Phew, dodged that bullet
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Tlusty is not nearly as hilarious a name.
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Hopefully
We can sign him to a similar contract to Umberger and Plekanec (4.6 signed at 29 and 5 mil at 26). But C’s are raking in the dough these days:
Compare him to Connoly at 4.75 and Laich at 4.5. He is better and younger.
Compare him to Sharp at 5.9. While Sharp is inarguably the better player he is also 2 years older.
Grabs market value is probably in the low-mid 5’s. I can accept market value +/-10%
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Its an overpayment for sure, but are willing to lose him over 500-750 thousand cap space?
In a hard cap league, yes, especially if this is happening early enough that we can get something from a trade. “Just a little bit” (HIMYM ref) is killer when you add it up over 20 guys (or even just over 10-15 good guys).
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not losing sleep over that kind of overpayment. When we are talking Komi or Phaneuf over payment sure, but retaining talent has a cost. At that kind of overpayment I can accept it as the price of doing business. I won’t like it for sure, but I won’t go nuts.
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Well, I also disagree with the idea that 6M is only a 500-750 overpayment, but the principle is the same.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
When we are talking Komi or Phaneuf over payment sure
Phaneuf is playing like a #1 defeceman
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That is very true. If he can continue playing like he has since the beginning of the year he is worth his contract.
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He’s playing upwards of 25 minutes a night. I think he’s playing great but I worry how long he’s going to be able to keep that up
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree, but if you want to talk about cap hit relative to the league…
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
No I really don’t.
I’m gonna simply enjoy the fact that he is playing amazing right now and the Leafs completely robbed Calgary blind.
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When I see the other defenseman who has the same cap hit as him I am not so upset.
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I just look at the upcoming crop and think that he’s the next guy after Semin. He’s gonna get paid, either way
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by TheBurnward on Oct 25, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope we can flip Grabbo for a 1st and more
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I want to sign Grabbo very much so
to a reasonable, not insane term contract
but IF that cannot happen I would be happy with a mid round 1st and a B level NHL close prospect
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If he is above 45 points and 18 goals (which are roughly 25/60 paces) at the deadline he should return more than that.
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indeed, just saying that would be the minimal I would be happy to accept if the Leafs could not sign him to a logical contract, bidding wars are welcome
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
woooo mortgage the future for a first round exit
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I hope he means buyers like Lebda for Franson and Lombardi purchasing!
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only if we are buying Suter and Parise
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
FLAGGED AGAIN FOR NOT BEING 100% ON THE RE-SIGN GRABBO BANDWAGON
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’d rather look at moving Lombardi and Bozak before Grabbo because I believe you need to horde your talent. I think we could pull in a 2nd rder for either of those two which really wouldn’t be much different than a late first. We won’t get any ‘elite’ talent by moving Grabbo barring draft choice gamble so I’d rather keep him if he’ll play anywhere near last years pace.
I want to keep Lombardi. Having C depth is a good tihng (look at all them injuries). Lombardi can play C and W and I would like to see him regain his form, though that will probably take a while.
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Lombardi is also making 3.5 mill a year, and moving him might be more difficult because teams are worried about his concussion potential
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d trade Lombardi in a heartbeat. $3.5M is a huge paycheck unless he suddenly becomes a #1C.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
3.5 is a fantastic price for a 50ish point 2nd line center who is good 2 way
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s just say I’m not holding my breath on 50 points.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
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For sure, but if Leafs can find a taker… $3.5M is a nice chunk of cap space I’d probably rather spend elsewhere.
Like re-signing Grabovski.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
if he puts up 40 after a year off, I’d be very pleased
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not that I don’t like him, I think the cap space is probably more useful elsewhere.
With Connolly, Grabovski, Bozak, and eventually Colborne coming up, do Leafs really need a 2nd/3rd line tweener C at the cost of $3.5M?
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
nope, just saying its probably not going to be too easy to find a taker, at a decent price at least
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
With one of those guys being an injury bug and regular players just getting injured periodically its very useful to have players who are good on the wing and C. He is a talented player and is not really overpaid. If he can regain a 50 point form he is appropriately paid and if he becomes a 40-45 point player he is probably overpaid less than a million (C’s make more). I think the versatility he brings to the organization is worth keeping him around.
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$3.5M is a hell of a lot to pay.
I dunno if anyone was willing to take him now that he looks relatively healthy again, I would bite if I were Burke.
Whatever, he probably won’t get moved anyway, that just seems like an area where we have inefficient cap space (beyond our depth D players)
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
By moving Lombardi or Bozak do we create enough icetime for Colborne would be my main question (even more so than the compensation)
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
Probably? Maybe? Dunno. The Leafs C situation is weird.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
My inclination is ‘likely not’. I want him skating with strong wingers (he’s going to need guys to finish because other than smashing the puck around in front of the net, he isn’t really a scorer). You probably only get that on one of the top two lines.
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The way the money is spread out is weird. We have a bunch of tweener centres making between $4.75M and about $2M, not factoring Dupuis and Steckel who make about $1M each but are more defensive specialists
Ideally, we’d rather have a no. 1 centre that’s making about $6M or $7M (assuming he has a corresponding talent level) and then a second-line centre in the $3-$4M range and then much cheaper centres after that.
The fact that our centre salaries are so close speaks partly to the mediocrity of the talent. i.e. Grabbo is great but I don’t think anyone ever expects him to score more than 60 points.
And yes, I know 60 points is a first-line player, but I think wanting players that can be better than that is a worthwhile goal, no?
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Ideally, we’d rather have a no. 1 centre that’s making about $6M or $7M (assuming he has a corresponding talent level) and then a second-line centre in the $3-$4M range and then much cheaper centres after that.
Most great teams have 2 high end C’s not a great one and a good one.
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Well I’d love two high end centres too but we might as well concentrate on getting one unicorn first before trying to find another one. Realistically if we end up with even one player making $6M to $7M we’ve either exhausted our cap space signing a UFA or used up all our ammo in trade
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
We've been through this so many times
Centres make more and 3.5 really isn’t all that much for a centre.
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Ya I still disagree with your thesis for that.
Also next year Leafs will have 2 guys getting 4.75M+ at C. a 3rd at 3.5M is a luxury I think they should spend cap space elsewhere.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
right, but we still have to find a reasonable taker for him, losing an effective player like him for a 2nd round pick is always a silly move
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously
Again, I just think it’s an area where Leafs aren’t spending their cap space efficiently.
They obviously get him in a salary dump to get Franson for Lebda, so I’m not disputing it was the right thing to get him either.
2nd round pick probably is around the price he’d get though. It’d be effectively a salary dump for the Leafs to get cap room.
How they spend it? I have no idea. PARISE.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
while a 2nd would be a good net gain from the lebda trade, I would still be not happy with that return for an effective and producing Lombardi
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a salary dump (unless Leafs take more salary back), so that’d the roof of my expectations.
Look what CGY had to give up to shed salary in Regyhr. If cap space is what the Leafs want, not getting a lot else back.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
remember the last time the Leafs traded a good player just to shed salary and got nothing in return?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Superstar Exelby! They had room to sign Komisarek!
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly, unless its a “ok ill give you Lombardi for nothing the moment I ink Parise” kind of thing, I would rather not just trade for cap space with good players
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh if they’d use that cap space better (or Komi didn’t turn out so badly) it would have been fine. The salary dump sucked but every salary dump does, it was what they did with it that was terrible.
Meh, I think you get my point, just different opinions.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Lombardi’s contract only has one more year on it after this one and it’s worth about 5% of the salary cap. For a useful winger/centre, that’s really not expensive.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Lombardi is worth more than that.
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I mean to us not necessarily in the trade market.
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I would think
With Bozak and Connoly injured that you would see the value in having him on the roster.
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Most contending teams have this
Leafs will have 2 guys getting 4.75M+ at C. a 3rd at 3.5M
or alternatively a 3rd guy on an ELC
LA: Kopitar/Richards/Stoll
Van: Sedin/Kesler/Malholtra (2.5)
SJ: Thornton/Pavelski/Couture (Couture is on an ELC but you can also add in Marleau)
Chi: Toews/Sharp/Bolland (Sharp plays the wing sometimes but Kane is now playing C)
Det: Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Flippula
Philly: Briere/Giroux/Schenn (They obviously just traded away Carter/Richards so they don’t really count)
Pitt: Crosby/Malkin/Staal
Bos: Bergeron/Krejci/Peverley
Buff: Roy and a bunch of guys who play C/W (they are being called for not having enough high end natural C’s. They also have Adams and Ennis on ELCs)
Wsh: Backstrom/Laich/Johansen (Perrault and Johansen are both on ELC’s)
So of the more or less 10 “contenders” the only team that doesn’t really have 3 guys like that is Philly (who just traded them away), Buffalo (though they have a tonne of wingers who can play C who would qualify (Boyes, Leino, etc), and Washington who has Johansen on an ELC.
C depth is important and worth paying for.
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I know you keep coming back with the same arguments but I don’t buy that our C depth is anything comparable to those teams who are paying 3.5M+
Connolly/Grabovski/Lombardi isn’t anything close to those teams’ calibre down the middle.
High-end C depth is important and worth paying for. Beyond Grabovski, I don’t believe we had ANY high-end Cs. Lombardi is a useful 2/3 guy. Fuck Connolly. I’d be willing to pay Grabbo $5M easily.
You’re really not going to change my mind that 3.5M could be better spent on someone not named Lombardi. Also Fuck Connolly and his $4.75M to sit on the bench.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
We're really going to have to agree to disagree
I think its worth it to have C depth.
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That isn’t my point at all, but whatever.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Your point is that the money could better be used elsewhere than to pay Lombardi to play in the bottom 6 isn’t it?
I think the versatility he brings to the line up (and ability to fill in with injuries) and offense is worth his cap hit.
Do I misunderstand?
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Well seperately, I don't think the versatility he brings is worth $3.5M, but that's my opinion
I don’t think the Leafs should be spending $13.25M [$4.75M + $3.5M + (let’s say $5M)] on a very mediocre group of Centers. The teams you listed above have great C depth and I’d swap theirs for the Leafs in a second.
I think our mediocre center group is more akin to Calgary’s, Montreal’s, Columbus’ or Florida’s, where they have 1 decent guy and 2 mediocre guys.
That $3.5M could be used to pay Kulemin & Grabovski’s raises or in a dream world upgrade Connolly’s 4.75M with a much better player at $6M or $7M.
In isolation, maybe on another team he could be worth $3.5M. Within the context of the Leafs team, the money could be better spent elsewhere.
I get your point but you’re not going to convince me somehow spending $3.5M on a 3rd C is giving us some sort of useful depth we wouldn’t have without him. Not when there are other areas that could use upgrades.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough, but I just don’t see the need to trade him until we need the cap space.
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Another way to look at it
I’d rather trade MacA in the long run and keep Lombardi. I think he can bring back more and is more easily replacable internally.
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I think we’d also get more for MacArthur. He’s on a reasonable contract, coming off a good season, an doesn’t have concussion issues.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I get what you’re saying. That basically the way the $13.25M is being spread out between three guys who make about the same and have about the same level of talent is not good cap management right?
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
cap management is more important when you have the key pieces you need to be competitive. We don’t. Hence we’ve taken risky contracts from other teams for pennies, even though we might be overpaying the guys we value their contributions.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously I would too, but most of those cost more than 13.25
I don’t think the Leafs should be spending $13.25M [$4.75M + $3.5M + (let’s say $5M)] on a very mediocre group of Centers. The teams you listed above have great C depth and I’d swap theirs for the Leafs in a second.
(these are rough estimates based on adding the contracts in my head)
Lower:
Philly: 12 (they just dumped their top 2 C’s and got half of Schenn’s contract removed from the cap)
Washington: 11.9 (ELC on Johansen)
Buffalo: I don’t know who to use but it will come out much lower
Boston: 12 (with Peverley’s new contract but Krecji is up for renewal and will probably be in the high 5’s so 2 million more).
Roughly Equal:
Vancouver: 13.7
More:
Pittsburgh: 21.4
SJ 17.9
Detroit: 15.7
Chicago: 15.5 (Sharp’s new contract)
LA: 16.6
So yeah we would be pretty inefficient there. I can’t really compare to Buffalo because I don’t know who their C’s are. But Washington and Philly (now that they have dumped Richards/Carter) are pretty efficient at C and taking advantage of cheap ELC’s (we probably can’t emulate that except maybe Colborne).
We are comparable to Vancouver but obviously their top 3 C’s are much better.
And the other 4 spend more but get a tonne more quality.
So I can see where you are coming from, but I think he is a useful piece to keep around similar to the Bolland’s and Stoll’s of the world.
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3.5 is a fine price for a 3rd line C who can produce 15-20 goals and 40-45 points.
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He won’t get 45 points on the 3rd line. Almost no one does.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats assuming he only plays 3rd line minutes. But between injuries and being an extra attacker I think his minutes will be higher. And its not really a ridiculous amount of points.
Last year Kennedy, Stoll (a good comparable), Morrison, Peverley, Belanger, Ennis, Anisimov/Stepan (one was the 3rd line C), and Brassard/Vermette (one was the 3rd line C) all got between 40-49 points playing predominantly a 3rd line C.
A good comparison for his contract would be Peverley’s new contract at 3 years/3.25 per year.
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Lombo is a good backup option for a #1C given that our actual #1C is kind of injury prone.
Lombo is good enough defensively to PK and play on the third line and jump up as needed.
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More or less my argument. Because of what he brings he is worth more than just dumping the salary.
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Trust me I’d rather trade Connolly but I don’t think that’s an option.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He hasn’t even played a game for the Leafs yet!
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That actually strengthens my points.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
point*
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Might be a moot point regardless if his contract is not insurable.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
His speed on the forecheck has directly resulted in two of Kessel’s goals in the last 3 games. That’s damn good and so far producing just as well as any setup man would.
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kind of injury prone?
that’s kind of an understatement….
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope we can flip Grabbo for a 1st and more, then package that return up with something else for another young top-6 guy
Isn’t that like trading away a 27-year-old 60 point centre in the hopes of getting a 25-year-old 65-point-centre?
I’m all for it if we can pull it off, but I’m starting to realize that the reason we haven’t found our unicorn is because team’s don’t tend to trade them away very often.
When’s the last time an elite centre was traded away in a deal for a package? Mike Richards I guess. Before that, I dunno. Joe Thornton?
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“elite”
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
wait, are you suggesting Grabbo is an elite center?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
this is the clarification I am looking for
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i think grabbo is a first line C by most reasonably standards, but not elite, no. “Elite” to me, means you start in an All star game, or might win some end of year awards.
There are maybe 6 in the league in any given year.
My point was that scenario looks suspiciously like “trade Grabbo because we can’t afford him, in the hopes of getting someone who is grabbo now, or who turns into him”
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right, but that is a very possible scenario, if we cannot afford grabbo, we’d damned well better get something good for him
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically we’re looking for the next Sundin
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
My original point wasn’t “trade him so that we can get raffle ticket and pick someone who hopefully turns into him later”. I said get some pieces for him, build a package, and acquire someone who is inarguably better than Grabbo right now, or has the pedigree to be better in the near future.
If we re-sign him it’s not the end of the world because Connolly walks in 2013 so we’d have Grabbo and Colborne guaranteed in the fold 2 years from now. Steckel is UFA that same year and is good and cheap on the 4th line. So we’re still missing that high end C unless Colborne becomes it. Or, trade Grabbo and work some magic to acquire a 1C, and you’re left with unicorn and Colborne at the top. It’s easier to fill out the bottom 2 lines.
My entire goal in this hypothetical situation is acquiring Parise. I’m just gonna throw that out there.
…I think that dream may have died when they gave him the “C”.
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by TheBurnward on Oct 25, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
just like Kovalchuk!
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily. NJ is in a bit of desperation mode to keep him. If he DIDNT get the C it’d be more interesting.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Every time I’ve tuned into the Leafs this year, Grabovski has blown me away with his speed, heart and drive. If you trade this guy, you are nuts.
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by TheBurnward on Oct 25, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
only a set of very specific circumstances would want me to see him traded
the one I mentioned above, or an insane offer too good to ignore
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
True dat. Dude is a little killer out there.
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by TheBurnward on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha! Didn’t even mean to do that.
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by TheBurnward on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
BUT HE’S 27 WAY PAST HIS PRIME SHIP HIM FOR A 21 YEAR OLD WHO MIGHT EVENTUALLY TURN INTO A GRABOVSKI
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Ship Mike Richards for Brayden Schenn. He can turn into anything, maybe even another Mike Richards!
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Exactly.
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by TheBurnward on Oct 25, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I know you are being silly, but thems totally incomparable situations
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely. I was just responding to cheapshots comment. And its always funny to hear Flyer’s fans explain the Richards trade. I also had a friend over the other day who thought LA was stupid because they “traded away their window”. Why does everyone assume Schenn is the next Crosby?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 25, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thrashed for using that reference months ago.
by 9 Dollar Beer on Oct 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
now he’ll be jetted
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Oct 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Some observations so far this season...
I’ve been watching the Leafs for a very long time…some things that I have noticed this year…there are actually players standing in front of the other goalie! Wow!!! I’ve never seen this before with any Leaf team…at least not this consistent….that’s what they have to do in order to screen the goaltender and be ready for any rebounds…this is something that other teams have been doing to the Leafs so it’s great to see them finally doing it….also special teams, I noticed the Leafs don’t have a great system in place…I know they went to Trenton to practice on this, but I don’t see any plan when they are on the PP or PK…they need someone to really teach them what to do…special teams are a major part of any hockey game…
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Kadri and dupuis combine to win 9 of 10 draws last night.#steckel-like
Anyone remember if Kadri was filling in for a thrown out centre or if he was playing centre during the Line blender times.
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He was blended up to the top line by the end of the game.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
a bit too late IMO. Actually thought he did a good job at centring the top line in pre-season, IIRC
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Just watching the game in 6 and Steckel won a draw by swiping the puck back along the ice with his hand, I didn’t realize you were allowed to do that. Legal?
Fall on it and push it back? Yeah, legal. Or at least, I’ve seen a couple guys do it with no problem.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Stuart Percy injured on this play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZDj-3dhqH0
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The Majors also suffered a huge loss when Stuart Percy left the game with a lower body injury after being ridden into the boards by Mitchell Heard early in the second period. Percy did not return.
“That was a really big blow for us,” Boyd admitted. “It doesn’t look very promising right now and he’ll get checked out Monday.”
from St Michael’s recap.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Mitchell Heard wanted his revenge after being cut
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow they’re using “upper body injury” in the OHL now? Remember when coaches got criticized for using this in the post-season? My times have changed
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
There was also a MarliesHQ article on Colborne
In fact, it was probably a better article than both of yesterday’s LeafsHQ articles. One on Crabb coming today too.
http://marlieshq.com/2011/10/24/on-top-of-the-moon/
Nice to see the kid get rewarded for all the extra effort he made in the offseason. Read he worked with 4 different speed skating coaches during the summer. Sounds like someone that wants to succeed.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Wish I could watch him more. Seems there is no more AHL on CBC (it was only one year), so that’s sad. I’d love to watch Marlies games on the days the Leafs don’t play.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
They pop up on Rogers TV now and again. And CBC didn’t air very many of them last year either. Maybe it just hasn’t come up yet
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get rogers tv – I’m in Ottawa. Otherwise I’d just go to a bunch of games. Yeah CBC aired only a few but nothing like a Sunday afternoon Marlies game following a Saturday of Leafs. I read the CBC article about the AHL deal they signed, and it turns out it was only for one year.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Re: Next Game
So, if the unlikely occurs and Reimer isn’t ready to start on Thursday, who would you rather see in net – Gustavsson or Scrivens?
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by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Reimer will be ready.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Gustavsson
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by Chuck Diesel on Oct 25, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
JS Aubin
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Waterloo still loves Beaupre, they named conference room at one of the local arenas after him!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Along those lines – Connoly and Bozie42 could be back – Lineup guesses?
Kessel – Connolly – Lupol
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Lines will be on “puree” setting by the 2nd period.
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Kadri in the press box? It’s unfortunate that Frattin has basically stolen his spot in the lineup
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
kadri would be sent to the Marlies, like he was before the call up to replace the injured Bozak
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
How is that unfortunate? Would you prefer that Frattin sucked?
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by GreatKingRat on Oct 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The team is better off. But it certainly is unfortunate for Kadri. Of course it’s a double-edged sword. Nothing stopping Kadri from outplaying Frattin either, which is something he has not done.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone has played better.
Oh well
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and he wont be, he will be playing somewhere
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey guys
I’m doing a project for a Communications class on the NHL re-alignment,
I would love it if you could fill out this quick survey (seriously, its quick)
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZGT3DHY
Thanks!
im gonna be posting it around
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by Ben Schnell on Oct 25, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
heh. separating Canada out by province and then adding “The United States” was funny. (done)
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
well its going to be mostly distributed among canadians, im just trying to have a fairly even spread
by Ben Schnell on Oct 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
As a suggestion, if you have a Google account, try using Google forms. It’s free, easy, and in my opinion better than survey monkey.
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by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I did it
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Sounds about right.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Would be nice. If we move Franson (a) what do we get in return and (b) who do we call up? What side does Holzer and Mikus play?
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Aulie probably
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s more ready than Blacker though. Maybe Holzer if they’re high on him or something.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Finger!
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Aulie
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
is Lashoff waiver exempt?
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s been through waivers several times, just never when there is such a need for defensemen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Lashoff would get claimed on waivers in a sec
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If you’re Pierre Gauthier and you can get Lashoff at a cap hit of like 400K, wouldn’t you do it?
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Montreal seems to be. Their recent signings/trades have been for just marginal marginal talent
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Nokeleinen is a centre
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Rangers offer Anton Stralman a contract. I’d say teams are getting desperate.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
This all hinges on Franson getting traded which honestly I don’t think will happen.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Leafs are going to give up on him this early. And if Burke does trade him there’s no way the team gets true value. His potential is far greater than whatever we’d end up with
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we get Carey Price in return and we will call up Zdeno Chara from the Boston Bruins.
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Clearly they want to get rid of that Subban kid, he is struggling early this year
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Pssh. I want Weber.
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The extra T makes him even better!
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But are willing to settle for Suter
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Suter
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
curious to see if that is speculation or insider info
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
See kids
This is why you shut up and just go do your job
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Lebda.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Franson would only get you half a Lebda.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Oct 25, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This would have to be some sort of record for giving up on a young kid.
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I’d think Liles would be available, but if his price tag is only that 2nd round pick, then why bother.
Of course both players aren’t known for their play in their own end so I don’t know why those spectulated teams would be interested in either one.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t get it. Franson has 50 points the last two years playing on the 3rd pairing of a defensively stacked Nashville team, a playoff team no less with 2 Norris calibre defensemen, and he can’t stick on the Leafs? I don’t get it.
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Considering the growing pains the Leafs were willing to go through with Schenn and Aulie. And the games they simple gave away to Lebda, Komisarek, XLB, etc…
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which is completely fucking retarded. Ron Wilson can inform guys they’re sitting through the media, but a player can’t gripe about it?
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Burke’s message:
“Dont talk shit about my coach”
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That would be dumb asset management.
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OR
Franson asked for a trade
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Didn't think of that
That is definitely possible.
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maybe, but if he didn’t he got a raw deal.
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I agree. Plus the leafs wanna move a D and out of Komi and Franson, Franson is easier to move.
Let me get this out of the way for you:
They should move Schenn
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Or Lebrun is speculating
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
THE CUP IS OURS THIS YEAR
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I’d probably make that trade.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Florida is just asking to get 1st overall if they did that
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends what “available” means. Maybe the Leafs think having Gardiner play the way he has frees them up to move a defender, and they’re dangling Franson to try to upgrade the roster elsewhere. I’d be fine with that. Or maybe they really have given up on him and are just trying to dump him. That doesn’t really make any sense to me, if only because you’re not going to find a much cheaper 7D option anyway, but maybe that’s what they’re thinking.
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by Draglikepull on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
At 4.5M and a partial NMC, not really.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
available does not mean desirable
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Montreal did offer him 4 mil/year
Maybe they want him back?
/dreaming.
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Montreal takes him back and first game against the Leafs puts out Grabo for the season with a thunderous check
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Oct 25, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking for the opinion of the regulars (and actually, anybody who cares to comment):
As satisfied as I am with the 5-2-1 record the Leafs have accumulated thus far, there are a few things that have me worried about this team:
-Only one of the wins have been by more than one goal (the season opener). There are several games that could have gone either way (and if they had gone the other way, the Leafs would be keeping the habs and jets company right now in the basement).
-Scoring is coming from only a couple sources (i.e. the first line). Sure, Grabbo and Kuli seem to be picking it up lately, but what happens when the well runs dry for the first line and they go into a slump?
-(I know this is beating a dead horse, but) The special teams really suck! How long can the Leafs sustain their winning ways with such a poor PP and PK?
I hope I’m wrong, but it’s a nagging feeling that won’t go away!
Any thoughts?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
yep, those are problems.
Not sure anyone would suggest that the Leafs have been dominant over this 8 game stretch, but then, you don’t have to be to get two points in the standings.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Tor over OTT was pretty dominating until the last 10 minutes where everything unravelled.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Ottawa 6-5 game is better than it looks; Leafs mailed in the third period because it was a blowout and Ottawa got some flukey goals while pressing 5 men.
The Montreal game is probably better than 4-3 OT if Reimer doesn’t get hurt…
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the first montreal game was pretty good too, save the first 10 mins where they couldn’t get the puck at all it seemed
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure there have been periods – even the second against Colorado – but over the course of 8 games? Has there been a game where the Leafs showed up and looked strong for a full 60?
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but I don’t expect the Leafs to show up and pound a team for 60 minutes because I don’t think they’re a playoff lock.
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Yes, that’s pretty much what I was getting at. Skinny said it better.
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by Bower Power on Oct 25, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ve also had Tyler Bozak centering our top line for most of the year. And Jonas Gustavsson has played 1/3 of our games. Put Reimer and Connolly back in the lineup and I’ll bet we look better.
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by Draglikepull on Oct 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey we might even get to see Connolly play on Thursday.
I think the injury pool starts up again if that happens.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet he doesn’t make it through the game.
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You are missing
Our “defensive” d-men can’t skate for shit and keep getting caught out of position.
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This quite frankly is my biggest concern. But what else is new.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. I didn’t bother mentioning this as it was almost implicit. I guess the special teams being crap is nothing new either, but, I had hopes of greater things at the start of the season (what with the new coaches and a couple of supposed PP specialists) so I threw that in there.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m probably unreasonably fussy about how the team plays in their own end. My expectations are I’d say unrealistic.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, if it means a hab season ala 2009-2010, I’m all for it!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
“Give me lucky generals,” Bonaparte used to say
by Jack rides ducks on Oct 25, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Better lucky than good.
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The Leafs are abadmediocre team
I think Leafs upgraded from ‘bad’ to ‘mediocre’ when other teams started getting worse.
CGY, OTT, WPG, FLA, CBJ, MON, NYI, EDM, PHX i’d still rate below the Leafs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not CBJ going forward, but wow have they been awful without Carter and Wis.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take mediocre, very very very few teams do a full transition from crap to good in a single off season
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, mediocre sounds right.
Some of D-men have been pretty terrible, but as said above…what’s new?
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep. The Leafs are a bubble team to make the playoffs. I’ll gladly take a few lucky wins early in the year, if that’s what they are, if they help push us further up that bubble.
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by Draglikepull on Oct 25, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
unlucky losses will balance it out.
by Jack rides ducks on Oct 25, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as we beat bottom feeders most of the time and occasionally punch the clock of a contender or two, I’ll be happy with this as a progression season
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Assuming there is progress, yes.
As a team the Leafs have taken a step forward. But individually? Kessel and Lupul definitely yes, Phaneuf is the same or better than the end of last year, the additions of Frattin and Gardiner have been neat, but MGK has taken a step back as a group (Grabbo still looks pretty good).
Reimer hasn’t been the supersavior he was on the late push but he’s been pretty okay.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Fairly accurate assessment. However, you have to look at a few external factors in regards to the MGK line. Last year, I believe they took a lot of the opposition by storm. Most teams focused their 1st defense pairing against the Kessel line and MGK usually got to feast on secondaries. I think the secret is out this season and more teams are paying attention to the “second first line”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
they also started slow last year
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not. New Jersey’s luck turned around late last year, but it wasn’t enough to correct their bad luck from the beginning of the year.
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by Draglikepull on Oct 25, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Give me 15 points by Monday. I’ll be very happy.
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Mediocre, getting points against bad teams, coast on “lucky” wins, seems about right.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Leafs are improving, bit by bit.
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I agree. I had less headscratch moments overall last night than in many previous games.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
dont’ forget. this happened repeatedly last year. just when they’d come out and play a great game, they wouldn’t bother showing up for the next one and play a complete laugher.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohhhh I haven’t forgotten. Anything.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Car, Minni, Dal are any better than the Leafs.
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Ya there is obviously debate for the rest, but if I can name at least 9 or 10 teams right off the bat, we’ve upgraded from ‘bad’ to ‘mediocre’.
DAL has been pretty damn good without Richards. And Lehtonen has been sharp.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 25, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
At least our playoff prognostics have upgraded from “Nope lolerz” (2009) to “Barely a chance, even if you finish the last half of the season with the 4th best record in the NHL” (2010) to “Maybe, just maybe, if the stars align…”this year (2011)
by Goosemonster on Oct 25, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Lehtonen has looked sharp but there is no way he continues as good as he is. I think they’re a bubble team out west but they’ll regress some. If you remember last year it was us and Dallas who went 4-0 to start the year…
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FLA has been OK so far. But yes, I’d rate them below.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
PHX got a playoff spot the past two years, 99 points last year and is currently one point out of a playoff spot with a .500 record. Their attendance is crap but the team itself is definitely on par with the Leafs. Are both teams mediocre? Sure, but Phoenix is not a bad team.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
They went from Bryzgalov’s .920 and .921 to Mike Smith’s current .907. They’re not the same team.
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I don’t think they are very good. Their forwards are going to slow down and they are going to be introuble.
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I don’t think they are particularly good either. But they’re not worse than the Leafs. The Leafs and Phoenix are pretty much in the mushy middle along with 20 other teams. Not top 5, but certainly not bottom 5 either.
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by T is for Truculence on Oct 25, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm. Time will tell. I actually had them predicted for something like 12th or 13th.
The best part of their team is their D which is actually pretty good. Besides that they have suspect goaltending and a very underwhelming forward corps.
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5-2-1 while getting .892 goaltending
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the Leafs being bad makes me all the more happy for our record. I just hope it doesn’t come at the cost of forgoing opportunities to improve the team cough fire wilson cough
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys comment too much!
can’t a guy take a lunch break without coming back to 200 comments to read?…sheesh.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
Debates about which minor Canadian cities can be grouped into larges ones (based on geographical proximity).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
the answer is all of them, and they are all filled with canoe douches
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
so very many douches in canoes
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that discussion makes me think of this quote:
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That doesn’t translate well to text without the ridiculous emphasis
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really? I can’t read it without hearing Kodos (or is it Kang)’s voice in my head.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how your lunch break is a break from PPP not from your post doc.
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Lol, I drive to my class but there was no parking in the Springett lot and I didn’t have a jacket, and it was raining, so I didn’t want to park in the other lot, so I drove back home and have been on PPP. I have another class at 4 which I’m leaving for soon but there will be a lot of parking by 3:50/
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Why don’t you just take the bus you bum?
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Not practical for me, I would have to walk about 7 minutes to get to the bust that goes east on Oxford and then get off and take another north on Wharncliffe. Driving is quicker and more convenient (except for this year with the parking suckage on Tuesdays before my 2pm class).
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Ahh I see. I only bused to school last year (I lived downtown). Every other year here I have lived walking distance to campus.
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That’s sweet. Downtown is definitely easier to bus than where I am. I am not in a walking distance location and the bus wouldn’t work well. If anything cycling would be the best, but with the horrible drivers and narrow streets in London I don’t think it would be worth my life.
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i hate london
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If there’s anything I’m sure about in life, it’s that I don’t want to live here once I’m done school.
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I left London for Toronto at 19. Honestly, if the only job offer I had was in London, I’m not sure I would take it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I was planning on visiting a friend there in a few weeks. Never been. Might keep it that way based on all of this.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
its ok to visit, but i hate living there
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
lol yeah I wasn’t really being serious, I’ll probably still go visit the guy.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oddly enough
I love the city. Its why I chose to come back here for med school.
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some people do. my friend just moved there. he loves it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming from the suburbs of a big city (and eventually moving into it) I like the “small city” feel where you have most of the things that a city has, but without the ridiculous congestion (which I don’t like) of a big city. I am actually curious how I would like other “small city’s” (thinking Guelph, Cambridge, etc)
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this is probably why I have fallen in love with Kingston
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Kingston, even having lived in Barrie most of my life which size wise is comparable. Not comparable in pretty much any other way however..
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I just love the waterfront, and the history, plus it is pretty close to everything from camping/fishing to Toronto/montreal/ottawa
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I always imagine that Dougie is just chillin’ in Kingston and you can see him wherever you go there and he’ll wave a friendly “hello” back at ya. This is true right?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats another good example. I am really curious if its London I like or just that small city thing…
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the main thing I hate about london is the design of the city
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it untill I get in my car. Then I pray for nuclear holocaust.
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Yeah exactly. It’s not well laid out for getting around. This is why I don’t like it as a “small city”, because it still has ridiculous traffic.
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I laugh when people say that. The traffic is bad in about 3 spots (the worst being western road from windermere to platt’s lane) and it only lasts like an hour. Its traffic besides that really isn’t so bad. No matter the time of day besides the couple of choke points I am always able to move.
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Dundus street is two lanes, and maybe 5 left turns lanes. going East/West is a joke. living in NW London, and going to woodstock for work last year, Half my drive was getting across London on the way there. It was easier for me to drive 10 mins north of Woodstock then cut across to London at Meday than drive striaght through to my house. Getting to the 401 is such a pain as well.
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I would just never use Dundas.
I guess its also being from Toronto. In the actual city 15 minute drives (without traffic) take 45 minutes and it lasts a lot longer than the rush hour in london.
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Coulda had a freeway paid for but nooooo stupid old people….
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Really?
Never heard that… Whats teh story there?
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While back now but they (Ontario/Feds) offered to put the 401/402 right into London but everyone wanted to keep London as a small quiet Uni town. Turns out we just fucked ourselves
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it sucks, it is all the stereotypes that a college down can be
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Dumps jar of mustard on self.
by Self Destructive Zones on Oct 25, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve seen more fender-benders while living in London the last 13 months than I saw in my entire 22 years before I moved here. People never pay attention, don’t know how to drive in rain or snow, and are pretty idiotic about driving in general.
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try going through a roundabout in KW – hoo boy
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KW has the worst drivers i have ever seen. not just complacent or aggressive, but just flat out bad, for a while i was convinced that 50 percent of the KW driving population did not have fingers of thumbs
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
they jsut put in a new roundabout and i read in the paper while I was there that they’ve had 42 accidents in 1 roundabout since it opened in the summer
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
i could but then I’d ahve to dig through the newspaper from there and I don’t remember what it’s called
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
It’s “The Record”. Whooooooo!
Delivered it for 3 years from when I was 11 until I was 14!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Oct 25, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I used to do that when I was going to LU. If i had to park down the hill when it was cold I just drove back home.
by Nigel Cadbury on Oct 25, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
research is slow. i’m trying to code right now. but i’m ignoring it. i’m being a bad post-doc.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Research sucks. I hate it ever so much.
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it can be awesome. it’s not for everyone.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I realized that a long time ago
My undergrad had an option for thesis or intense lab course for fourth year and people asked me my advice and what I thought of it. It was always the same:
You have to figure it out for yourself. Try to volunteer in a lab or work at one in a summer. I absolutely hate research, but many people love it. Don’t base your opinion on doing research on mine. Try it.
Confused why people think Aulie is better than Gunnarson. Please ask me to explain
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yeah, that’s good advice. i actually usually discourage people from doing research. far too many people do it and they don’t realize they’re going to hate it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Oct 25, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
b1rky:
@Real_ESPNLeBrun you wrote today that Cody Franson is available. Does that mean being shopped or the Leafs are simply listening?
Real_ESPNLeBrun:
@b1rky Leafs listening
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
the Leafs are probably listening to offers on most of their players, if not all
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
except Komisarek because Mike Milbury isn’t a GM anywhere
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
other gms – Hey Brian, we have an offer for Mike Komisarek how abou…
Burke – ILL TAKE IT
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Great! I think Scott Gomez will really turn it around in Toronto.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Don’t joke about that!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Oct 25, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
HA! you didn’t wait till i signed the paper work!
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 25, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Wilson: Franson we got you a new helmet.
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I dont remember where, but I remember hearing that the Leafs have mild interest in Rene Bourque
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I am pretty much against
Bringing in any winger that isn’t inarguable first line talent.
Confused why people think Aulie is better than Gunnarson. Please ask me to explain
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Lupul is first line talent. We need another Kessel level guy to bother.
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