Game #2: The Battle of Ontario Begins Again
by SkinnyFish on Oct 8, 2011 2:19 PM EDT
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PrintWho: Toronto Maple Leafs vs Ottawa Senators
What: Game #2 of the Regular Season. Leafs 1-0-0 (2), Senators 0-1-0 (0)
Where: Air Canada Centre in Toronto Canada
When: TV - 7:00pm on CBC. Radio - AM640 Toronto
Why: To continue the Leafs' 4-year-long season series victory over Ottawa.
Take the jump for some thoughts on the matchup tonight and the projected rosters.
Last night I sat in Buffalo Wild Wings downing delicious morsels of chicken doing the same things I assume Head Coach Ron Wilson was doing last night, watching the Leafs next opponent get absolutely trounced in their season opener. Living up to the expectations of many, the Ottawa Senators would beaten like a red-headed stepchild in every aspect of the game. I would say the only player for them who actually gave a damn was Jason Spezza, but don't worry Nail Yakupov lovers in Ottawa, he'll probably get traded away for peanuts in a move that will help secure the first overall pick.
Just like me, Wilson must have loved what he saw. Sure the Wings employed their tried and true method of a solid puck possession game, but where they were most effective was on the forecheck and the transition game; the same two aspects that are the Leafs' strong suits. If golem on skates Todd Bertuzzi has the speed to get behind the Senators for a breakaway goal, just think what Phil Kessel or Matt Lombardi can do. If 5'11", 174lbs Darren Helm can out muscle the pylons on Ottawa's blueline, just think what Matt Frattin or Nikolai Kulemin will do to them in the corners. If Dion Phaneuf can fire laser beams past a top 5 goalie like Carey Price, just think what he can do to the tattered shooter tutor that is Craig Anderson. Oh yeah, and the Senators are playing back-to-back road games. Strap yourselves in folks, it's going to be one hell of a game tonight!
Projected Leafs Lineup
Forwards
Frattin-Grabovski-Kulemin
Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
Dupuis-Steckel-Armstrong
Orr-Lombardi-Brown
Defense
Phaneuf-Gunnarsson
Liles-Schenn
Gardiner - Komisarek
(Though I wouldn't be surprised to see Franson play instead of Gardiner.)
Goalies
Reimer
Gustavsson
Project Senators Lineup
Forwards
Milan Michalek - Jason Spezza - Nikita Filatov
Colin Greening - Mika Zibanejad - Daniel Alfredsson
Nick Foligno - Stéphane Da Costa - Chris Neil
Erik Condra - Zack Smith - Bobby Butler Zenon Konopka
Defense
Filip Kuba - Erik Karlsson
Jared Cowen - Sergei Gonchar
Chris Phillips - Brian Lee
Goalies
Craig Anderson (sieve)
Alex Auld
GO LEAFS GO!
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Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
by BlindSight on Oct 8, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 8, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Frag on Oct 8, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GO LEAFS GO!
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by Leafswinthecup on Oct 8, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
GO LEAFS GO!!!
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 8, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Leafs have the better team, the benefit of last change, and are playing a tired opponent. They need to come out strong early and finish the game before it starts.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
Also, they need to give it 110%, get pucks in deep to create some scoring chances and keep their sticks in the lanes and make smart plays.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
short shifts, make the right plays, just get the puck on net
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finish your checks, take it one shift at a time.
by Nigel Cadbury on Oct 8, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
active sticks, strong net presence, passing lanes
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by Berezin's Spleen on Oct 8, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Stick to their gameplan.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 8, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
vitamins, prayers to Wendel.
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by not norm ullman on Oct 8, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
From deep in Habs territory I say GO LEAFS GO!
Leaves ACC/Maple Leaf Square, north to Front, East on Front to Yonge, North up Yonge to Queen, West on Queen to Nathan Phillips Square. Planned.
by elseldo on Oct 8, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Silver seven sens has no post for tonights game yet. Sad I can’t start trolling yet
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by elseldo on Oct 8, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Yeah I went over there to check things out. They weren’t all that upset with last night’s effort.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I will post the game thread at 5
Be patient young one!
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That’sh not very classhy, mocking a man becaushe of a shpeech impediment.
by Mirinov's Nose on Oct 8, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG is that real! I think I peed myself from laughing. Damn you Chemmy!
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Colin Greening – Mika Zibanejad – Daniel Alfredsson
How many goals will Grabbo and Kulie score on this line? Seriously, are they even going to get to touch the puck?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
is zibanejad that good that he actually deserved to be on the team or are their cupboards just that bare?
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His name sounds like a country…
Action News at 6 ..
Today in Zibanejad.. there was a bombing.
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I always think of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad when I hear that name.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 8, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Persian
father, Finnish mother…
and he grew up in Sweden.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Ziba…Zabbbaja…..Za….Not going to be very good at hockey.
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by SkinnyFish on Oct 8, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can’t wait for DOn Cherry to have a go at pronouncing it.
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Followed by some kind of nonsensical, hateful comment about Muslims having no place in OUR game.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 8, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Zibanejad is actually Christian though :P
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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 8, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering he grew up in Sweden, I’m surprised he’s religious at all.
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
His father was a Christian in Iran during the Revolution; I believe he fled to Sweden to avoid religious persecution.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Oct 8, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
wait… has this happened?!?!
elephant shell
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No, and frankly it’s a bit disingenuous to Cherry to say such a thing.
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it's usually
Persian… unless he’s Kurdish… the term Iranian can sometimes be considered insulting if the family left to get out from under the regime of the Ayotollahs
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and I'm only basing this
on the Persians I know and work with… they tend to not want to be associated with the current regime.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
But they’re happy to be associated with the Shah’s tyranny?
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
didn't say that either
the Shah wasn’t exactly the high point of Persian history.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
think more along the lines of
Xerxes … Zoroaster… things like that… Persians have been pretty long standing as a culture… they’d be up there with the Romans… I think it’s fair that they prefer that to “Iranian”… which is a 20th century creation.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Very much depends on the religious and cultural views of the family/individual. Not many have an honestly good view on either eras. Just some less likely to criticize either openly.
...Being surrounded by Sens and Habs fans makes me lose faith in humanity...
yeah
and the “Persian” culture extends back to well before Christ, so thinking only of the most recent asshole that was in charge isn’t really fair particularly.
it’d be like assuming all Christians were proud of the Crusades or the Holocaust… obviously they aren’t.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Yeah, he’s been a pretty big Kadri booster, no?
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by Berezin's Spleen on Oct 8, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No he's pretty
damn good. 7th overall pick, with solid size and speed… he’s going to be a good one.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I figured he’d be a pretty solid NHL-er at some point but I didn’t think he’d be ready right away. I’m wondering if it’s a function of his strong play or Ottawa really not having better options
elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
this was why
I wanted us to try and draft him if he dropped down to where we were picking…
So far in recent years the following players have been drafted that I really wanted the Leafs to try to land..
Zibanejad, MPS, Myers… I think I’d have the makings of a pretty solid team with the latter two, even if we didn’t trade up to get the first name on my list.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
yeah
I remember that post you made involving several potential picks before the draft. At the time you posted it he was projected to go around mid-pack in the first round… his stock grew pretty quickly leading up to the draft
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If the Leafs had the 7th over all picked and had passed on Couturier I would have lost my mind
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 8, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
well yeah
that too… I never would have anticipated him dropping that far… let alone down into Leaf territory.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
ah yes, I initially read your post as “had the Leafs pick dropped down that low”
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 8, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I realize that since the Sens picked him so high, It never really had a chance to happen. Also there are a lot of other players in the 1st round I would have taken before Biggs… but Zibanejad was one I had my eye on.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I wanted T\y Rattie or Zach Phillips
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 8, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
don't forget
his awesome tweets about women dressing like sluts and men being uncontrolled balls of testosterone.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Alfredsson might not even play.
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by PPP on Oct 8, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh man, if they don’t win this game I’m going to be extremely furious.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll play, but apparently has a cold
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oh
no that’s just ’cause he sucks
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You know you would love him if he played for Toronto his whole career.
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But he hasn’t, he’s a dick and I hate him.
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AKA excuse #34
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Alfredsson, turns opens book on excuses, no can’t use that one, nope promises, cup, hmm… ahhh perfect excuse #34! Cough, “I have a cold”.
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Is it me.. Or is everyone else tired of the Foligno Jumping up and down like his dad used to do. It was maybe cool the first 2 or 3 times .. But now … Really .. its played out brudda !
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People might be tired of it if he actually did jump up and down like his dad used to. He only did it on his first goal.
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Every highlight I have seen he jumps up and down allot.
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Whoop dee do. Do not give one shit, which I’m sure is the same amount of shits everyone else gives who don’t care about such ridiculous thinks like how a player celebrates a goal.
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Thinks ?
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things*
My college degree says I can read, but doesn't mention spelling.
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by SkinnyFish on Oct 8, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
BAZINGA !!!!!!
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I don’t know if you guys care enough about the Senators lineup to edit, but Butler will be a healthy scratch tonight. Konopka is in. Le sigh.
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He and Steckel can duke it out in the face-off circle!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Until he and Orr smash one another’s faces in and sit for five minutes or more. Ugh.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
The bonus of this is
Orr won’t be on the ice?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
And Steckel doesn’t have to face Konopka, win/win!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
So I tweeted this last night
but I think I’ll share it in here… Reimer’s ES SV% (including the pre-season) is currently .938… even before the shut out it was .920 in the pre-season, which would have ranked him 26th out of 40+ NHL goalies with 30+ starts.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
That seems crazy to me, I thought league average was .910?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, well shit.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He had a .933 ES SV% last yeard, 3rd best among goalies with 20+ starts.
Also, I’m not sure if you’re saying the .938 is good, or if the .920 before that was bad. Both of them fall victim to small sample sizes.
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I'm saying .938 is good so far
and .920 is NOT bad… not great but not bad.
I’m just saying that all those stats that are being thrown around about his poor pre-season are sort of misleading because of how shit the Leafs PK was.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Ah gotcha. Yeah, if you look at a number of 5 game stretches for any goalie, I’m sure some wow and other make you cringe. Small sample sizes with goalies are just awful in the hands of morons.
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agreed
I’m not saying he’s going to be a top 5 goalie or anything based on his first 5 gp, I just think he’s been ok to good so far, and there’s nothing preventing that from continuing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
.920 is NOT bad… not great but not bad.
If not bad = average, does than mean .920 is average?
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26th
out of 40+ is around average… .925 is around where i’d say the cut off was for “average”.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Konopka is a Leaf Hater
“I hated Toronto before I got to Ottawa. It helps that everybody in Ottawa hates Toronto as well.
“We had some rivalries with them last year (in Long Island) and there are a lot of guys on that team that aren’t getting a Christmas card from me and, hopefully, aren’t looking forward to me being in the lineup. I’ve followed the rivalry quite close and it’s a good one.”
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Konopka
grew up down in St Catharines.
He went to high school with my Wife. I don’t know which team he was a fan of growing up. Also he spent a lot of time playing in Cinncinati (which is a hole) with the Ducks organization… and now he’s stuck in Ottawa after a stint on Long Island.
Maybe he’s just spent so much time living in crappy places that he genuinely feels venom towards such a nice town like Toronto? Maybe not.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I’m kind of glad he is…. all the guys who grow up Leafs fans always end up scoring against us.
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by CanadianMaple09 on Oct 8, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Have to? All of them would be nice. Toronto has won the past 4 season series against the Senators, averaging 8 out of a possible 12 points. Going 4-2-0 in 6 games in probably what we should shoot for. Doing better than that would be difficult.
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except
Ottawa has a solid chance of finishing near the bottom of the NHL, so us taking 5 of 6 would be pretty awesome.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I hate how bad they are, it’s almost as if there’s more pressure to beat them now. I loved it when they were a really good team and we were mediocre; basically if we lost we would be like “whatever” and if we won we’d be all like “hahaha you guys suck you lost to US!”
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I like being the better team, though.
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ill take that any day of the week
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 8, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Same, it’s just weird and removes any excuses, etc. I think it’s good to be accountable and having no excuses, but when I lived in Ottawa I liked always having the upper hand in arguments.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Ottawa is terrible though. I mean could see us squandering 6 or 7 points against these guys and still having a good year?
I also
tweeted an update on scoring so far for our Junior kids last night… in addition to McKegg’s 6 assist game, he’s doing well, but his +/- is pretty shit.
Olden only has 2 goals through 5 games, and he’s a combined -8 already… this is worrying.
Percy has put up some points, and he’s already a +10
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I’ll give olden more than 5 games to figure out this North America thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Oct 8, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
NEVER
what’s “BUST” in norwegian?
elephant shell
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so will I
I’m just letting people know how he’s done so far.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Of all people I’m surprised you’re succumbing to small sample size bias
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I'm not succumbing to anything
it’s a freaking update.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I'll continue to do them
over the course of the whole year… it’s not like I’ll only give you the most recent 10 games.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
either way
small sample size or not, some guys are playing well, others aren’t… that has nothing to do with sample sizes.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Olden only has 2 goals through 5 games, and he’s a combined -8 already… this is worrying.
That sounds like succumbing to SSS.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
*sigh
you guys get on the sample size thing a tad too much.
I can be worried about a bad stretch of play. Saying “just wait and see” is fine… he could turn it around… but so far it’s not good.
To be fair, there are 4 players with worse +/- ratings on Erie right now, -9, -10, and -11
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I feel like
all the stuff about small/big sample sizes is entirely valid… but the assumption that a guy will go from horrible stretch to awesome stretch isn’t particularly logical.
Good players don’t tend to go through stretches where they’re -8 in the OHL with regularity, otherwise they wouldn’t end up well into the plus section of things.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Except
Olden came over from Europe to play a more NA style of game. That takes time to adapt, and it shouldn’t be surprising to see him having growing pains. It’s the same thing that went on with Mueller.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
not really
Mueller took time offensively, but his D was pretty damn good from the get go. He was only a -2 in his first 7 games despite that “adjustment”. In November he posted a goal and 4 assists through 14 games with a +4 rating.
He never had a -8 stretch. He was -6 over a 7 game stretch in December, but he had 4 goals and 6 points in that span, including a hat trick game where he was +2… He finished with 5 goals and 11 points in the month and was even.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Olden isn’t known as a defensive player, though. As you said, it took Mueller time to adjust offensively. So, why not give Olden the same benefit of the doubt?
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
I am
jeez… this is getting sort of irritating… I posted it as an update.
At NO point did I say I’m giving up on Olden, or he’s a bust, or anything of that sort.
I said I was worried that he was -8 so far… that’s all… wtf is so horrible about that?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
if I had watched one game
and seen him get blown by defensively repeatedly and end up -3… I could say I was worried… nobody would say much because I’d “watched the games”.
I am stating that he’s -8 after like 7 games, which is worrying… and apparently that’s not ok? I don’t get it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
conversely
Percy is +10 so far… should I assume this ISN’T a good thing? I mean it’s a small sample size for him too.
Should I make zero positive or negative assertions on the basis of anything under 20+ games?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I think since we’ve really got nothing other than goals/assists and plus-minus, it’s difficult to make any real assertions
elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
well that's sort of
silly… why is it a big deal that McKegg had 6 assists last night then?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
small sample size
it’s only assists…
no assertions can be made? are you guys reading what you’re typing?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
It’s nice to see a prospect of ours get a 6 assist game, especially when it’s an Erie record and all of them were primary assists. It doesn’t mean I think of McKegg any differently than I how did during preseason.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
right
so it’s positive… but no more positive than before? I guess we shouldn’t take any note of things like Sittler’s 10 point game either then?
I think there’s probably a correlation between single game production points and overall production… call me crazy, but I just think it might be the case.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
you guys do realize
that all those small samples make up the bigger one right? Like they’re incorporated into it…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
so ignoring them
or discounting them as meaningful is sort of … well… impossible – if you ever plan on using the larger sample that is?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
for instance
Even if Olden goes +8 over the remainder of the year, which would be quite good as a development… he’ll still only be an even player over the larger sample.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Okay, so we both agree that it would be nice to see how Olden develops as the season goes along.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
yes
and I was never against that perspective… which makes this whole conversation a bit … different.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Again, it’s too early to judge these players. One really good game is nice, but I’d like to see at what level of play he sustains over a full season.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
right
and all his previous seasons… I get it… I’m just saying that small samples are also important… largely as a portion of the larger sample’s you’re concerned about.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
one or two games
really can make a difference… like between making or not making the playoffs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and I do disagree
with this…
Again, it’s too early to judge these players
I can judge a 10 game stretch on the basis of how a guy plays in that stretch… if that’s what I’m going to assess that’s the whole set in it’s entirety. I never implied that the season was ruined, or that I was giving up on Olden… I really have no idea where all of this is coming from other than “wait and see” sort of viewpoints, which I’m fine with.
If a guy has a good start, I think “jee this is good – I hope it continues”… I know it’s a small sample but I still think it’s good.
Similarly, if a guy starts poorly, I think “hmm this isn’t good so far – I hope he turns it around”… again… small sample size, but I’m not going to be unaware of the trend thus far.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
all I said was
“this is worrying”… and somehow this led to people telling me I can’t worry?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
no he says
don’t… not quite the same thing.
That’s sort of my problem with the response I got to my original posting. Nobody said “don’t worry it’ll be ok”… they were saying “you can’t do this because of small sample sizes”… etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
well actually
to be fair… a number of people said “he just needs time to adjust”… which I accept.
I’m just saying so far he doesn’t seem to have adjusted.
Also… Erie sucks so far.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I think I just misinterpreted your use of the word “worrying”. Apologies.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
it's ok
and you weren’t the only one… worrying to me just means I noticed it as not a positive, and I’d like to see some improvement… that’s all it meant.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I’ve just seen people use the term “worrying” to imply that they think that player will bust (hello HFBoards). Again, apologies.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
in January
he was -2, but had 7 points in 9 games, and in Feb, despite only having 2 points in 10 games, he finished -1. March he had 5 goals and 7 points in 3 games, and he was a combined +4…
so yeah… aside from one brief stretch of 7 games out of a 57 game season, he was pretty damn solid in his own end, and was generally productive offensively once he figured shit out.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
all the stuff about small/big sample sizes is entirely valid
TWSS.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
just for point of reference
can someone clarify what you mean with TWSS? Because I can think of a few possible meanings…
i.e. Take With Some Salt… That was so stupid… etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
this is fun..
“there was some sugar”
elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
They Were Swearing Saskatchewanians
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
by Frag on Oct 8, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If there was a vote, I would vote for this one.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
If you google “TWSS” it’s like the first thing that comes up.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
gotcha
that didn’t even occur to me to bother with… ty.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
And down the road you may also want to google BCWW.
Let the Wookie win.
Twitter is a thing!
by Kenjamin on Oct 8, 2011 3:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no that
one I know already.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I don’t like using +/- when evaluating players individually, especially prospects. I think it’s better to watch the games before judging our prospects based on a stat that can be manipulated by team play.
As for Olden, SSS and in need of adjustment to the NA game. If he continues to have trouble scoring points, then there is room for concern.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Oh,
and I just finished checking on Gustavsson’s ES SV% from pre-season… at .931 it was quite a bit better than Reimer’s.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Here's a little fuel for the fire :)
Leaf hater Konopka ready to rumble – http://www.torontosun.com/2011/10/07/leaf-hater-konopka-ready-to-rumble
Can we just start the game Konopka vs. Orr in the 1st minute, send them off for 5min and keep them on the bench the rest of the game?
Then we can watch some hockey.
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GO LEAFS GO!!!
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Just got a shout-out from Friedman on CBC for last year’s “Vezina-Calder-Hart Update” on Reimer. Good werk.
Missed that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you be more descriptive?
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Friedman was doing a segment called Friedman 5 on Game Day. One of his 5 points, was who was the most important player to a team in NHL. Friedman said, that the most important player to a team this year is Reimer. His thinking is no other player can make an impact to a team like Reimer this year. And so the leaf’s success is Reimer’s success. This segued into a nicknames of for Reimer – Optimus Reim, Reiminster of Defence and Friedman added that he loved the nickname that one of the fans from PPP, a maple leaf fan blog, tweeted for updates on Reimer – namely "Vezina-Calder-Hart Update"
you mean
the MSM doesn’t know who we are? shocked
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Elliotte Friedman was really nice to us last year after Ron Wilson’s presser.
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- Niels Bohr
NO UNKIND WORDS ABOUT FRIEDMAN
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ELLIOTTEMANTOOTHFRIEDMAN IS A SAINT!
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by fatassjackson on Oct 8, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
ELLIOTTEMANTOOTHFRIEDMAN IS ASAINTGOD!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
by Frag on Oct 8, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
nice.
This is an example of a good broadcaster
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Jim Hughson embodies everything I hate about humans
by Future_considerations on Oct 8, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Reim Minister of Defense.
Jane, you ignorant slut. Nobody cares what you think. Reimer is a goalie, not a defenseman. Also, there is no Prime Minister of Defense, just the Minister of Defense.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
by SkinnyFish on Oct 8, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I got the ball rolling….
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Please please please please
please please
please be more clever than “FUCK YOU GUYS”
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Agreed.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
I also write things about stuff over at the Leafs Nation
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Oct 8, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
does adding
an S to YOU to make it “FUCK YOUS GUYS” count?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Awful feeling about this game…
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Ottawa put up 3 against Detroit…
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After it was 5-0. I watched that game and Detroit just sat back after it was 5-0. Spezza’s first goal went off of Ian White’s foot in front of the net and bounced straight up and over Howard. The second was a great effort by Spezza. They were solidly outplayed for 50 minutes in that game.
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I know they said they wouldn’t trade Spezza…. but if this team is tanking mid-season… I can’t see how they don’t.
Chicken Little is dead. Long Live Positive Pete.
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It’s a showcase showdown
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Oct 8, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Spezza to the Leafs! e4
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
He’s 28 this year? Would get us to the playoffs but what’s our window to add more talent? 2 years after this?
I think the age is wrong.
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That said if it’s December and Reimer’s still for real is a top six of
Lupul – Spezza – Kessel
Kulemin – Grabovski – MacArthur
Worth it?
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Yeah he’s gotta go. Can Connolly play wing? Kadri?
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Well, either we add the talent now, and try to go into the playoffs, or we wait until Burke gets canned and then the next guy gets hired to do a tank ’n rebuild
players like Spezza wouldn’t come along everyday, and Murray just may decide to gamble on a trade, figuring we’ll fall on our faces again and give him a top-10 pick, unlike the 25-30 range he’d see from a real contender
/purefantasticspeculation
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Oct 8, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what they’d want in addition to our 1st
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by Peter de Chatham on Oct 8, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that I can read Murray's mind
but I don’t think Ottawa wants to do a long tank, especially if they draft someone this year who can join the big team asap and be an impact player (i.e. one of those Commie kids). I don’t think they want to go the Edmonton route.
They’ll tank this year and then sign a bunch of grinders and try for the playoffs next year. Unless they get a hell of an offer I bet they keep Spezza around.
meh,
a) that was against Howard
b) Old Man Lidstrom can’t shield him forever, as is now apparent
c) those 3 goals were after the Sens were down I think 5-0, so the Red Wings let off the gas a little bit
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Oct 8, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
OT - Al Davis passed away
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
what is this abomination?
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 8, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’re telling me it’s human? :D
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 8, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The NFL coach… Figured he was, with the Raiders logo, helmet and all… See that he passed away. So, the jokes have to stop… I am stupid. Never read upstairs. RIP.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 8, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah… Don’t follow the NFL and didn’t mean to speak ill about the guy… Especially since his death was recent..
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Oct 8, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like he is crapping and holding onto the Oakland helmet and desk for dear life…
“AAaaarrrrggghhhhhh.. Too much metamucil in my OJ !!”
FLYERROB ! YOU STAY AWESOME FLYERS FANS ! ~ ~ ~ Lori Wilson Gray ~ ~ April 07th 1967 - May 27th 2011 ~ May you rest in Peace ~ I love you and miss you big Sis ! I cant believe at 44 yrs of age .. you went to sleep and never woke up. I promise to take care of Matt and Emily for you. With Love, your baby Brother.
OT, any advice for fantasy pool defencemen?
1pt for goal, assist, +/-, 0.2pts for PIM
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by Peter de Chatham on Oct 8, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
we’re starting a bit late; tomorrow at 9PM.
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by Peter de Chatham on Oct 8, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d say Boyle but that’s a little obvious. You possibly have a sleeper in Spurgeon…
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