Are These Leafs For Real?
by JP Nikota on Nov 1, 2011 7:02 AM EDT
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Well, let's get one thing clear: they are not.
There are, of course, elements of their play so far that are encouraging, and James Mirtle looks at both sides of the coin in his latest article.
Key numbers: Why they're winning 2010-11 2011-12 Difference Goals per game 2.60 3.18 0.58 Goals against 2.99 3.18 0.19 Goal differential -0.39 0.00 0.39 Shots per game 28.8 27.4 -1.4 Shots against 31.0 31.5 0.5 Shot differential -2.2 -4.1 -1.9 Shooting pct 9.0% 11.6% 2.6% Save pct 0.904 0.899 -0.005 Power play 16.0% 17.6% 1.6% Penalty kill 77.4% 72.3% -5.1%
Leafs Links:
10 reasons why Leaf fans can be genuinely encouraged 10 (11, really) games into the new season
Michael Langlois at VLM likes a number of things going on this year. This is a good counter-balance to James Mirtle's post, I suppose.
It’s Halloween, So Let’s Rank Hockey’s Top 5 Scariest Hitters
If you can't guess who number one is, you're probably Stephane DaCosta. From Justin Bourne at Backhand Shelf.
The story behind the Battle of Ontario
Bad blood between the two teams dates all the way back to a 1904 Stanley Cup encounter. Sort of. By Roy MacGregor at the Globe.
October 31 News and Notes
Robert Cleave posts a few thoughts around the Nation Network. This link from The Leafs Nation.
James Neal vs. Phil Kessel - The Uber Early Rocket Richard Race
Go tell FrankD at Pensburgh what's going to happen, here.
Other Hockey Links:
Backhand Shelf Podcast with Rob Pizzo and Justin Bourne
I confess to not having heard this yet, but Justin Bourne is usually thoughtful, so give it a listen. From Backhand Shelf.\
Sharks overwhelmed by Rangers in second period, lose 5-2
Recap from Mr. Plank over at Fear The Fin.
Ilya Bryzgalov, the Flyers and the Philly Media
If you've heard about this Bryzgalov-isn't-speaking-with-the-media-on-game-days controversy but haven't actually bothered to read anything about it, this should be your starting point. From Travis Hughes at BSH.
In a War of Machines Versus Animals, Jets Confuse, Bewilder Panthers 4 to 3
Jets versus Panthers recap from Bettman's Nightmare at AIH.
Crosby out until at least Nov. 11
The title pretty much says it all. The team doesn't even have a targeted return date for Sid, yet. From Alan Robinson of the CP at the Globe.
Coyotes’ Torres taking heat for Halloween costume
Boy, this caused a stir on Twitter yesterday. Bruce Arthur was beside himself. Yes, Raffi Torres painted himself brown to look like Jay-Z for Hallowe'en, but it was nothing like the "blackface" that people keep referring to, as it displayed none of the caricature, mockery, or steretyping that defines the old racist tradition. It may have been ill-advised as a choice of costume, since Torres is something of a pubic figure, but ultimately, he is a man who wanted to look like Jay-Z because he thinks Jay-Z is cool, end of story. Feeling pretty done with this story, but have at it if you must.
Matt Read for the Calder Trophy? Could happen
It's early, but James Mirtle (as well as Bob McKenzie) thinks that Read could pull it off.
Red Wings, Kronwall agree on seven-year extension
Most of you probably already saw this, but the Wings gave him $33.25 over 7 years. From Larry Lage of the AP at the Globe.
Devils remove Martin Brodeur from IR
Just in time for him to turn in a lights-out performance against the Leafs on Wednesday. From the AP at the Globe.
Rangers could have Sean Avery back in lineup this week
He's been placed on re-entry waivers by the Rangers, but who would touch him? He'd have three teams paying him. That's sloppy thirds, folks. (Just kidding, I'm well aware that in this case, thirds is a good thing, because a new team would only have to pay 25% of his contract.) From the AP at the Globe.
More Stars Bankruptcy
Are you into legalese and the inner-workings of a hockey team? Tyler Dellow has a post for you!
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Please let a mystery team pick up Avery for <$1M just to piss off NYR
And please let that mystery team NOT be the Leafs.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 1, 2011 7:07 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
That would be terrible
and I bet it would be pretty awkward in the dressing room when Phaneuf bashes his head in with his helmet in front of everyone.
I highly doubt Burke would. Most likely candidate would have to be CBJ.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
The way I understood it, if Avery were to be claimed today, then Dallas would be let off the hook, with the Rangers back on the hook for last season’s 50% and the new team at 50%
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 1, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
Dallas remains on the hook for their 50%
Rangers on the hook for 25%
New Team picks up the remaining 25%
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If Avery’s salary keeps getting halved and halved again from repeated waivings and re-entries, I’m eventually going to put a claim in on him and make him work as my butler.
by Peter Lynn on Nov 1, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If we had the room for him he might be worth it. But I don’t want him at all with all of our bottom 6 depth. Also it would be a risk bringing him into the dressing room, because I remember hearing/reading interviews of how he fucked with the dynamic.
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Leafs have better players who cost less, and the team doesn’t need the inevitable distraction of the Avery/Phaneuf dynamic.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but Avery’s cap hit would be only $968,750. Of the Leafs’ active forwards, only Brown, Dupuis, and Rosehill come in cheaper than that.
Avery is probably a skill upgrade over each of those guys but I wouldn’t be able to stomach having him on the roster. I had a tough enough time watching games when we had Hollweg in the lineup.
There are probably other examples but I remember a Turco interview after he left and he seemed absolutely disgusted with Avery. I wouldn’t want that in our dressing room. Of course there is the whole Avery/Phaneuf thing (as clrkaitken point out) so I am sure Avery is a non starter on this team.
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Modano also voiced some displeasure in having Avery with the Stars IIRC.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Scotty Bowman called Avery the dumbest hockey player he ever coached.
He burned bridges with every team he played for.
Just say no.
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by torleafsfan29 on Nov 1, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Zero chance it happens. Burke is all about character, something Avery lacks. Remember when we got Steckel and Burke talked about how they “research” players by talking to former coaches/teammates etc. to get an idea of their character? Yeah, let’s see how that might go with Avery…
by Goosemonster on Nov 1, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Devil’s advocate: Avery’s voicing of support for gay rights might win him points in the character department with Burke.
I doubt Burke would pick someone up who is horrible for his hockey team simply because of a political stance the person takes. I support gay rights, maybe Burke should sign me.
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Don’t get me wrong: It doesn’t make up for being a jerk in the locker room. I’m just saying that his support of human rights (which I wouldn’t call a mere political stance) indicates that he’s at least a part-time decent guy. If I had a young gay player on my team (and I’m not suggesting that the Leafs do or don’t), Avery’s a guy I might actually want in the room for his character, believe it or not.
his support of gay rights has nothing to do with hic character, he is still a douche.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
i’m always interested that people find it so surprising that there are different sides to people. it’s possible to be both a douche and a good person, at different times and in different contexts.
Just look at Chemmy.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
wait, Chemmy is a good person?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah when’d that happen?
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I forget the exact specifics...
but the Boston media is morbidly obsessed with this stat that says over the last X amount of years (I want to say 20 or 30, it was a multiple of ten), the Top 7 in the conference on Nov. 1st were still in the Top 8 at the end of the season, and often the entire Top 8 got through.
This is super encouraging for the Leafs… even if it only means the 8 seed, it’d still be the 8 seed. Monster’s playing better than we thought, We’ll have Reims back soon, and Kessel is teabagging the league with his mad skillz, yo.
I’m pretty psyched for this season, feeling like the optimist.
Now, "wait 'till next year" looks like "Watch out for next year!" GO LEAFS GO!
As the optimists might say, the teabag is half full.
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The good start is definitely, well, a good start. It’s given them a bit of a cushion so if they drop a few games they’re still in the race. The team is young and motivated to work hard every game. I find it less likely that this team, with their improved depth and skill, will go on an 0-8 run like they have in past years. But as a Leaf fan I won’t count my chickens before they hatch.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the table above
Those stats are no improvement on last season.. The only place that is going to change is the shooting percentage, but at the same time our team save percentage should rise. The penalty kill has also been awful, which will cut down our GA.
I see most of that as sustainable, at least in comparison to last year. Besides, there’s no reason we can’t assume our summer upgrades caused these changes (Phaneuf, Kessel, Komisarek improvement, full season of Lupul, Add Connolly, add Gardiner, add Lombardi, add 60% FO Steckel, add awesome Ozone% Dupuis)
Goals per game has seen a huge improvement.
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Yeah but that’s just because of the team shooting percentage. It will go down, but so will goals against per game as our team save percentage improves. Whatever we lose in goals for, we’ll gain in goals against.
I also think the reason we’re scoring an extra goal every 2 games are the reasons listed above.
the article makes good points, however. the PK is atrocious,we’re not taking enough shots and we’re counting on Kessels high shooting % hot streak to keep us going.
the save % doesn’t worry me, as long as Reimer comes back. Gus has shown he can win the occasional game, that being said, I’d prefer dealing a cheap asset for a decent backup.
also, can we dump Frattin in the minors? Colborne deserved a shot now, then Kadri again. The only thing keeping the team going is the high Goals/game, and Fratting has a measly assist in 11 games.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed,
I like Frattin, he’s solid off the puck, better than I expected, but if we can get a player that will have more impact, we might as well go for it, and try out Colborne
Leave Colborne right where he is. Let him develop
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would be bring up Colborne to play on the 3rd line wing? Frattin’s going to stay put until Armstrong gets healthy. And then I wouldn’t be surprised for Luca Caputi to get called up the next time instead of Frattin.
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Crappy. But I take back saying he could be next. I thought he was waiver exempt, but he is not so yeah he’s not getting the call up unless by some random chance for an emergency replacement…..but Burke isn’t wasting his last one on Luca Caputi.
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Each team gets two to start the season, and Burke used them. But then since he put Reimer on IR he got another.
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It’s for goalies I believe. Don’t think you get emergency recalls for skaters at all.
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Kadri’s first NHL game was on an emergency call-up.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 1, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm, but he was in the OHL. I think that’s different.
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Which centreman are you dumping to the wing for Colborne?
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Colborne centres, Bozak and Lombardi on the wings? I dunno.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
So it doesn’t really make much sense then, yeah?
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Bozak’s been centering the 3rd line and Lombardi/Frattin’s been on wing, I presume?
if Bozak can’t play wing, call up Kadri.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
But I thought you wanted to call up Colborne and send Frattin down?
Kadri went down because Frattin was better in training camp.
I don’t think that Kadri has vastly outplayed Frattin since then.
No. You keep Frattin on the third line until Armstrong is ready. Then you send him down if he still hasn’t broken through offensively.
Recalling Kadri after 3 games in the AHL doesn’t do a damn thing but jerk him around.
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Sure, I understand. We’ve only lost 1 game, no need to push the panic button. This two game swing will tell tales, however.
I can reasonably foresee any of the following happening: Kessel cooling off for a bit, Reimer staying hurt, or an injury to Gunnarsson or Phaneuf. Any of these would cause our goals for to go down, or goals against to go up, which puts pressure on the 3rd line to help produce. And Frattin with his 1 assist doesn’t help do that. Your only alternative is to call up Kadri.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that Kadri has vastly outplayed Frattin since then
But, Kadri has played less than a third of the games Frattin has.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t see how you can punish Frattin because Kadri was injured.
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Not saying “punish Frattin”. My point is, that although he has “looked good” out there, that’s about it. I don’t see a finish on his part (even when he played with Grabbo and Kuli). I did, however, like the combination (offensively) of Kadri, Frattin, and Steckel. I thought they “looked good” and would have started putting up some points had they stayed together.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Frattin hit five posts. He could just as easily be sitting on 6 points instead of 1.
BCapp’s right here. Ignore the box scores for a minute. Is Frattin playing like an NHLer? He hasn’t looked out of place.
More importatnly, I think we all agree Kadri’s ceiling as a player is higher than Frattin’s. So you don’t want to mess around with Kadri’s development just because he might be a shade of an upgrade on Frattin in tomorrow’s lineup.
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Thats where I am sitting. Frattin isn’t a liability here and I think his numbers will balance out in the long run (if he is left up) to at least 25-30 points on the year. He looks NHL ready and I just don’t see the point in sending him down.
My guess is bodies will be moved soon, once Burke gets the deal he is looking for.
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uyy, this is one deal I’m not looking forward to. There are a few teams out there that are thin on D that would covet the Leafs depth there.
I’d say that Burke has been successful in showcasing Gunnar, so maybe he’ll be gone. Plus a young prospect, probably Kadri. I just hope the return is well worth it.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t remotely understand why you would consider trading the team’s 2nd best defenceman
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The more I see Gunnar play, the angrier i get when I hear trade talks involving him.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
because he’d be worth something in return, maybe enough to pry an elite forward from a team desperate for a solid defenseman.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the Leafs are a team desperate for a solid defenceman.
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by clrkaitken on Nov 1, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you roll the dice on your existing depth. Like when whatshisface in Montreal ( I dont’ follow the Habs) dealt Halak after his drive to the Conference finals at the peak of his value, and went with Price.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Price was a proven commodity, the Leafs have no such thing to step up for Gunnarson
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
:l
You’re losing me man. This is no time to “roll the dice” We’re on a hotstreak, and otherwise not a playoff team.
Is Aulie going to step in.
Just say no to rolling the dice
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
otherwise not a playoff team. Otherwise a bubble team…
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
He went with Price because Price was a first-round draft pick, much younger and with higher upside. And judging by Halak’s performance since, Gauthier made the right call.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 1, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Price was also cheaper while Halak had better trade value. By any reasonable metric there wasn’t a significant indicator that one would clearly be better than the other.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That season
Regular season
Halak 0.924 2.40
Price 0.912 2.77
Playoffs
Halak 0.923 2.55
Price 0.890 3.56
That seems a reasonable metric to me…
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Not clearly better
You can 3SA Price’s four playoff games immediately, and even a full season is a small sample size for the difference between .924 (clearly higher than Halak’s true talent unless he’s Hasek reborn) and .912. All that was really established is that they had two good young goalies, and that Halak had had more recent success.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
right, so we trade him for Parise or nothing
so nothing
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Ughh. I don’t even like trading him for Parise unless we have a pretty damn good idea that he would resign. We are not a team that needs to pay for a rental.
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I think I should say this. You trade Gunnar for Parise every single time
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If its February and we are out of contention I don’t see the point in trading for him if we don’t think there is a solid chance in retaining him. He is a UFA on July 1st unless he signs on the dotted line.
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well yes, Burke would never trade for a guy like Parise (with a team in the state the Leafs are) if he thought he would walk
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats all I was trying to say. I want Parise REALLY bad, but I don’t think we trade for him as a rental. We trade for him because we want him long term.
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yeah, and I only used Parise as a player skill comparable for what would be acceptable for the Leafs to get back in return for a player they need as bad as gunnar
I could very well have said Rick Nash or Taylor Hall
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
the mantra remains “everyone has a price.” Given his start, Gunnar’s is quite high.
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Gunnarson is worth way more to us than he is on the market, because defensive D (other than elite defensive D) are inherently worth less on the trade market than offensive D because every team thinks they have a solid DD in their own roster who could probably do the job. But finding a dynamic puckmoving pointgetter has always been coveted
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
What would happen to the Leafs if he or Phaneuf are gone?
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This
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know, but we’d have to put Leafer on suicide watch
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Pray.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Gunnar isn’t going anywhere. His chemistry with Dion right now is helping him thrive. It would be a huge mistake unless for a real #1 center.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No idea why people still think the Leafs have depth on D. Phaneuf and Gunnarsson have been great, Gardiner is doing very well for a rookie, and Liles is acceptable. That’s barely four.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Jaw=dropped
Why on earth would you trade Gunnar?!?!?
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I was worried in pre-season that the Leafs were going to trade Gunnar to make room for Aulie. I’m so glad I was wrong on that.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 1, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m starting to agree. It’s probably time to stop the Frattin experiment. Send him to the minors, bring up Kadri
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Skinny’s right. Frattin will stay until Armstrong is healthy.
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why? Armstrong, in addition to being defensively responsible, and a leader, has also scored at a 0.5 ppg level fairly reliably.
Frattin brings responsible positional play, but that’s about it. 1 point, no leadership. Therefore, if you’re to replace Armstrong with somebody, you might as well replace him with some scoring talent. It’s reasonable to project that Kadri could produce at a 0.5 ppg pace if called up; he did well when called up for the second time last year.
If Kessel gets back to scoring and MGK stays hot, sure, Frattin might stay where he is. If the scoring starts faltering, or the Monster stays up and we have to produce 4 goals every game to compete, then maybe Frattin gets sent down.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily
It’s reasonable to project that Kadri could produce at a 0.5 ppg pace if called up
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well, kadri had 13 points in 29 GP last year, which is roughly 0.45 ppg. During his second callup, which lasted 12 games, he tallied 3 goals an 3 assist.
sure, he can take a step back in his development, but is it that unreasonable to assume he’ll at least keep pace with last year’s performance?
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The top six aren’t budging. MGK has looked a bit snakebit at times but they are heating up. I don’t think team mgt wants Kadri playing on the third line but dude hasn’t been able to crack the lineup yet. Frattin, a big body and a grinder with some skill (but as you say no finish yet) makes more sense as an Armstrong replacement until he comes back. If Kadri is more defensively responsible, he might be able to find a spot on the third line. But he needs to continue working on that in the minors.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
That makes sense
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Frattin has done well. He has looked dangerous and been responsible as a two way player. I am watching the player and not overly concerned about his box score.
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Kadri had 6 assists in his first 17 game callup with the Leafs. When/if Frattin hits 17 games, we’ll get a more accurate comparison; if he doesn’t pick up the pace he’s not even going to match Kadri’s performance from last year, which wasn’t good enough for a Leafs team desperate for offense.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Kadri was also playing tons of PP and with Kessel in many games – Frattin’s lack of production is just bad luck – he’s hit like four posts and was centered by Steckel fo a few games.
Saying he’s gotten bad luck is well and good but at a certain point the team does need to get results. Same with Gardiner to a certain extent, although he’s also learning to defend at an NHL level which is arguably a whole separate learning curve in and of itself. And I know there are a lot of people on here who want him sent down regardless.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 1, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Gardiner has 3 assists in 9 GP. You want more out of a rookie defender?
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He’s 16th of 76 rookie D’s over the last 4 years by ppg
(Note its for D-men who have played 9 or more games…)
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need MOAR points.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Hehehe
i noticed he has a higher ppg than Runblad (same points one less game) and is handling more TOI and the same amount of PP production (1 assist each).
Thought to be fair this is a complete 3SA
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his defensive game
needs some work. but he hasn’t looked out of place. I’ve been very impressed.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
From my understanding
It hasn’t been any worse than Runblad’s
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from my understanding, Runblad has been kinda crap
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
he made a nice pass though
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broken clock?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a little more to defending than points.
T for T is right – at some point you can’t ignore the boxcar stats. 1 pt in 11 games, playing above the 4th line, isn’t very good.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a bit of a contradiction there… I understand one is a forward and the other a D, but you are basically saying we can ignore it one situation but must only use it in another…
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right
no one cares when an 18 year old forward goes -10 if he scores 20 goals.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But we are not tlaking about a forward in that situation. We are talking about a forward playing depth minutes, who is banging, playing responsible defensive hockey, and seems to be snake bit (read getting a tonne of chances). I’m not concerned.
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“Not must only use” No way.
Rookie forward 1 point in 11 games
Rookie D-man 3 points in 9 games
One’s primary responsibility is to contribute GF
One’s primary responsibility is to prevent GA.
I’m not saying dump him. My original comment was simple. His ice-time is falling.
And I’m starting to lose faith.
If he gets to 15 games and has one point and is playing less than 10 minutes a game – less than your 4th line players – do you really keep him up with the big club?
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think anyone believes that Gardiners (or players like him) have a primary responsibility to prevent GA
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s a defenceman. It’s his primary responsibility, even if he is expected to contribute offensively more than Schenn or Komi
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Colton Orr is a Forward, is his primary responsibility to score goals?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
A depth checking forward’s primary job really isn’t scoring goals, and while a puck moving dman’s primary job IS preventing GA his secondary job of getting GF is pretty close in importance.
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for someone like Kaberle, Mike Green, Liles and Gardiner they are there first and for most to generate offense from the back end
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Obvious exception.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
why is orr an exception but Gardiner is not?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially as a rookie. I don’t expect Kadri to have a well-rounded game at this point either.
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Me neither.
If the Leafs are trying to mould Frattin into being a 4th line plugger who plays limited ES minute, and little to no special teams minutes, they’re doing a great job.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
despite the fact that he is playing on the 3rd line?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s getting 4th line minutes despite.
Either way, best route he’s up with the big club unitl Armstrong return.
You have to think the Leafs will want to re-call Kadri at some point soon (15-20 game mark), if Frattin continues to have bad luck with point production.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s a strict goon who has no business playing in the NHL otherwise.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
See I am a little iffy on this
One’s primary responsibility is to contribute GF
One’s primary responsibility is to prevent GA.
A depth checking forward’s primary job really isn’t scoring goals, and while a puck moving dman’s primary job IS preventing GA his secondary job of getting GF is pretty close in importance.
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And in regards to your last question
No.
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His average ice-time is 12:58/game, 36th among league rookies.
I like his game so far, I do. I’ve advocated for him to stay up. But by the 15th game, if he’s playing the least amount of minutes of the forwards, what’s the point?
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
he's played a grand total of
143 minutes of hockey this season, and has 1 assist.
You could call that bad, but then you might notice that he has 19 shots, which isn’t half bad considering he’s now on the 3rd line.
Also in the 6 game stretch early last year where Kessel had Zero points he played well over 143 minutes of hockey, and 21 shots.
Is Frattin bad at hockey? not as far as I can tell. Should we dump him for lack of offense from the 3rd line? probably not.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 1, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The only
first or second year players to play 140ish minutes and produce more points are Couturier (2G, 4pts), Erik Condra (2 assists), Nikita Nikitin (0 points), and Stephan Da Costa (2 goals).
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 1, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
not more points… ANY points.
I just don’t see how you can argue he’s “underproducing” at this stage given how little he’s actually played. His production is right around the same level of other guys playing as much as he is.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 1, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke Adam
has played 5 more minutes, and has 8 more points, and he’s the only guy with more shots and comparable minutes (21).
He’s also playing on the PP, and with superior line mates.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 1, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And what about Frattin’s declining ice time? If Wilson continues to use him so little?
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
that happens to rookies in close games, especially if they arnt producing
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s also important to note he’s not getting any special teams time – hes outplaying guys like Steckel and Lombardi in even strength minutes.
steckel is a centre who has, and continues to win the Leafs vital face offs,
with the exception of last game, I have yet to see him out play Lombardi, who is also more versatile and better in his own end
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
How much pp time did Frattin get? Kadri got a tonne of it.
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That said, I wouldn’t mind putting Frattin out there on the PP, see what he brings to the table in that situation.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Frattin only got 10 minutes last night. If they keep that up, I’d rather him in the AHL to be honest, even though I want him up here. Might just be one game, but that’s not really enough time.
by Goosemonster on Nov 1, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I fully expect him to be sent down when Armstrong is back – I just think he’s been the best option there and would not replace him with Kadri atm
I find it ridiculous
that we’re worrying about his production… he’s a 3rd line forward.
We shouldn’t expect huge production out of our 3rd liners. Dupuis has no points in 23 fewer minutes, Armstrong has no points in half the minutes.
Why are we expecting him to score? because he generates shots?
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. We need offense from our 3rd line. Kessel’s shooting % (and the team shooting % overall) is unsustainable, and it’s only a matter of time before he goes cold again. Hell, he already failed to score last game.
There are going to be weeks during this season when Kessel’s snakebitten and the Leafs have to grind out wins on a goal or two from MGK and another goal from either the D or the 3rd line and a steal by Reimer.
Plus having actual talent on the third line is good for Wilson’s inevitable 3rd period line blender employed during any losing game. I’d rather have Kadri out there trying to spark Kessel and Lupul than Frattin.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Be careful not to commit the gambler’s fallacy.
If we flip a coin and it comes up heads 10 times in a row (1 in 1024 chance of happening) you shouldn’t bet on tails for the next 10 flips: heads and tails still have a 50% chance of showing up.
On every Kessel shot from now until the end of the season he has a 10% chance of scoring, roughly. We shouldn’t predict a 20 game drought because he’s been hot, regression to the mean says that he’ll return to shooting a more normal 11%.
He’ll likely have a “cold streak” where the coin flip of 10% goal / 90 % no goal comes up on the wrong end more than it should but it’s completely unrelated to the past.
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I find it fabulous that we’re worried about his production. It speaks to our acceptance that a whole host of other things we could be worried about that are far more elemental to success than a rookie 3rd liners GF numbers … appear to be at least “ok”.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Nov 1, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His minutes are dwindling game by game. Regardless of how he’s looked – and his two way play is decent – the coaching staf is starting to lose faith.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Goal differential is 0.39 better.
Over an 82 game season, that’s 32 goals. Or pretty much the entire difference the Leafs needed to make up to make the playoffs, according to the Pythagorean Expectation.
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Kulemin can keep a high shooting percentage for an entire year – so can the Leafs (I hope)
I thought the most interesting part was the shot differential without Phaneuf/Gunnar on the ice. I wonder if Burke is already looking for another defenceman.
Trying to find out 11.6% ranks the Leafs in the league. Having a hard time finding an easy list of team shooting %
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
So, how many points does the Pythagorian Expectation suggest the Leafs should have now based on whatever stats (goals, SV%) it uses? That would be a good way of seeing if the winning will continue.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 1, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
3.18 GF/G = 261 GF for the season.
.899 SV% & 31.5 SA = 261 GA for the season.
Expected points = 91.
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I think the idea is that 3.18 GF/G isn’t really sustainable at this point. 261 GF would’ve tied us with the Red Wings last year at second, behind only the Canucks at 262.
Fortunately, a team SVP of .899 is 2010 levels (.896), so that should come up a little as Reimer plays more games, and as (hopefully) Jonas comes up from .888.
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And yet we are on pace for what, about 110? Uh oh.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 1, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Honest question – why is Sv % used to calculate GA, but shooting % not used to calculate GF?
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Even better question (not really). Why is it called “Save Percentage” to show the percentage of shots you save, but “Shooting Percentage” to show the amount of shots your score on. Shouldn’t it be “Scoring Percentage”? :)
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by Leaf in Habland on Nov 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
My eyes just went crossed.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
so you don’t fucking kill people in your drug addled state?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
i’m sorry. was I supposed to make a funny comment about how it’s cool to be high and drive cars?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s just a play on words “sober” on the "high"way…the reasons for being sober while driving are pretty obvious.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah exactly. Though I seriously don’t get the “shooting percentage” thing vs. “save percentage”. Wouldn’t it make more sense for “shooting percentage” to be the number of shots that aren’t blocked/missed, and “scoring percentage” be the percentage of those shots that scare (i.e. what is now shooting percentage).
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I hear ya
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
What are you even talking about… the conversation was about how things have stupid names… I.e. calling something a "high"way when you have to be sober to use it.
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it’s not a stupid name. highway has nothing to do with being ‘high’. unless you’re a total stoner or Beavis and Butthead, I don’t see how you make the connection.
“dude….if it’s called highschool, does that mean we should be high”
“is it called high jump cuase you get high and then jump?”
“huh huh….high.”
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
VRN does nor care for drug humour
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I think you need to read the posts above.
Why do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?
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no no. see I did.
Look. The reason this is a clever observation, is because ‘park’ and drive’ are both things you do with cars and ‘driveways’ and ‘parkways’ are things you put cars on, but you drive on parkways and park on driveways.
Sober and Highways are completely unrelated.
I’m probably just more offended by your terrible wordplay.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Then why wouldn’t you just say that in the first place, rather than going on some crazy rant about drugs and implying my comment in any way condoned driving while under the influence?
The “park on driveway, drive on parkway” thing has been around for ages, and the last few times I’ve heard it people have responded by either the “sober on highway” or “walk forwards on a sidewalk”. If you don’t find it “funny” or whatever, why bother responding?
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yeah, I kind of made a snap judgement that you were making a really horrible stoner joke. my apologies.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
the “walkt forwards on a sidewalk” thing is much more clever.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
and if other people were the ones making the ‘sober on a highway’ comment, can you be sure they weren’t making some joke about driving under the influence?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
The “walk forwards on the sidewalk” one doesn’t really apply as much as it’s not an xway where the x doesn’t match what is done on the way.
And yes, I cna be sure they weren’t making some joke about driving under the influence, because that has nothing to do with anything in that context.
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in this context, ‘sidewalk’ refers to the side of the street, not the direction of the walking. hence it’s funny, since both ‘walks’ refer to the same thing.
again, “highway” refers to main, but “high” refers to being under the influence. completely unrelated.
wordplay is not something to be taken lightly.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was high because they are often lifted above other streets. Literally “high” up.
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Also
I have been in states where they give you weird looks when you say high way. Only know free way or interstate.
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Or expressway (that one makes the most sense)
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Or tollway (which makes most sense cuz you have toay to drive).
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
interstates are literally highways that go between states. they’re part of a national network in the US that gets federal funding (it’s one of the only ways that the US governement can force states to change policies; by withholding money for interstates).
I think (I’m probably wrong) that the ‘freeway’ is used to distinguish it from a ‘tollway’. in other words, freeways are literally free.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooh
I knew that about hte interstates but never the free way.
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yeah
it’s one of those things that as a Canadian I was pretty confused about at first but I think most Americans probably never give much thought to.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently, this is not the etymology of the word. when you think about it, highways have only been elevated very recently.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
wordplay is not something to be taken lightly.
Yes it is, hence word “play”.
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touché!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
wow…bad morning eh?
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
true story
my wife diluted my coffee this morning. i’m probably suffering from withdrawal.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
my wife diluted my coffee this morning
Change the locks while she’s at work. Who would do such a thing?
in her defense
she offered to make it again for me, but I declined.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
she knows I won’t talk to her until I’ve had my fix.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
With arsenic?
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Nov 1, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Dang… sorry to hear that
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The irony of the websites name.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Nov 1, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I used the Excel sheet that birky whipped up for predictions at the end of last year
We filled out the spreadsheet with our predicitions of how many goals the lineup would score (to get GF), and what the goalies’ SV% would be and what the team’s Shots Against would be (to get GA).
The Pythagorean Theorom is based on GF/GA differential.
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I see…team shooting % just isn’t part of the equation
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It is. It’s just expressed as the estimation of total goals each player would get.
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Ohhh cool. I would like to see said spread sheet. Sounds pretty neat.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2010/10/5/1731230/2010-2011-musings-and-predictions-part-ii
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That’s my spreadsheet that birky distributed.
I think there’s three easy components we can isolate and predict to get decent results: GF, SA, SV%.
For goalies SV% and SA aren’t tied together very well. Defense seems to control SA. For forwards I like GF better than shots and S% because unlike goaltending where there’s one guy the shooting % of the entire team includes 18 guys so there’s an averaging mechanism in there.
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gotchya
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
.500 according to this. which means even with our record we still only have about a 60% chance of making the playoffs.
in other words…unless we can tighten up our D and goaltending, expect some regression.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Do we expect regression or do we expect .500 the rest of the way? I’m not sure why statistically the bounces we’ve been getting HAVE to go the other way. Life doesn’t always even out exactly.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 1, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
no, it’s true. we just should’t expect the team to go 7-3-1 from here out.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
just don’t go acknowledging it publicly or on TSN.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m cool with winning 5 one goal games and losing one by 6 goals
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
well..
in theory i agree, but the team has got to be pretty lucky to win all those 1-goal games.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
If the Habs can win 10 straight overtime games in a single playoffs why not?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
we’d better hope for .930+ goaltending then.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we not start this, pretty please?
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oh I didn’t read the summary below.
Regardless, I think its stupid that whoever these people are trying to make drama out of nothing.
I understand your point, but these types of conversations never end up working out well
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When I first saw it I thought he and wifey looked more like Jersey Shore rejects than Jay-Z. This doesn’t deserve the attention it’s getting.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Most of the hand-wringing seems to be coming from media types (not media reporting on other people’s objections, but the media inserting their own opinions as the story).
That’s just trolling for eyeballs then…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Nov 1, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
in which performers create a stereotyped caricature of a black person.
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Anything that requires an articulation of context to explain why it’s not racist, is a bad idea, particularly when a public figure is involved.
Also, blackface is offensive pretty much all the time, regardless of the intent of the blackfacee (?).
/isthewordblackfaceeoffensive?
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, blackface is offensive pretty much all the time, regardless of the intent of the blackfacee
But is dressing as an African person racist? If I wanted to dress up as Ramses next year, would it be wrong to darken my skin with makeup?
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Lost in a ton of these moral soapbox debates is that things can be right or wrong but still stupid.
Is Raffi Torres a racist? Probably not.
Did he dress up with the intent to discriminate against people? Probably not.
Is it still a stupid costume and probably not worth the shitstorm? Obviously.
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Is it still a stupid costume and probably not worth the shitstorm? Obviously
Maybe in your opinion. Once his agent publicly addressed it, how many people thin Torres has given this a second thought?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The Coyotes have had to comment, his agent has had to comment, I’m sure they were getting tons of media requests, and I’m willing to bet Torres got a “don’t do that again” speech. Even though I don’t think Torres’ thoughts measure whether or not there was a shitstorm, I do think Torres has given it a second thought.
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I really cannot stand the double standard. If a black player had dressed up in a stereotypical Mexican costume, we wouldn’t hear a peep (AND rightfully so to be honest) BECAUSE the costume is a caricature. Dressing up as an extremely famous POP star is just the same.
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Mexican people were not enslaved in America, and a culture dominating half the continent did not grow up around justifying treating Mexicans as slaves that could be beaten, tortured, sold, bought, forced to labor, and held captive*. Context, it’s important.
*At least, nearly to the same extent. And if a black player did dress up as a mexican caricature it COULD be a bit controversial anyway. Mexican groups could legitimately protest, though they likely wouldn’t get as much public traction, right or wrong.
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Stupid person does stupid thing. News at 11. Mass hysteria and outrage to follow at 11:30.
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Bit late on mass hysteria there. You’d figure it would start around 11:05
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Well the story got pushed back to 11:25 because a puppy with no legs got one of those doggie wheelchairs and everyone loves a sappy story. Also, weather has to gone on at 11:15.
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They look like they’ve swung from the outside of the bubble to the inside. I’ll take it at this stage of the team’s development.
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I hope Reimer is back on Wednesday. It will be critical to have him play if we want to stay in that bubble.
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agreed; with Reimer in net, we can eke out wins with 2 goal offensive performances; not so with Gus.
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Even if Reimer is back for Wednesday there is no way he plays both games back to back after nearly 2 weeks off.
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The biggest factor working in the Leafs favour one month into the season is this.
In the summer, we identified all the teams in the East that the Leafs were going to have to beat to force their way into the playoffs.
After a month they’ve got one point on Ottawa, 2 on Florida, 3 on Tampa, and 4 or more on everybody else.
Forcing every other bubble team to play catch-up the rest of the season; that’s big.for the Leafs.
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yep.
except, the differences are small at this point. The difference between us making the playoffs and falling out of contention is probably one 7 game losing streak.
That said, it’s probably psychologically nice fo the team to feel on top for once, instead of feeling like they’re playing from behind.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The Torres thing
I can’t decide if I should enter this foray (I haven’t been in it before, as I don’t really tweet), but here are my two cents (more or less Skinny’s up top). He wanted to dress like a celebrity and did his best to emulate that celebrity. He dressed the way he does and put on make up to look like him. I understand that in the past there was a very racist activity known as blackface where white people would paint themselves black AND add in racist, over-the-top physical stereotypes, and would then portray said racism and stereotypes. While there is some similarity to this previous terribly innapropriate (and wrong) activity, that is not what Torres did. He did his best to physically emulate a celebrity by dressing up as him.
I am not really sure how else he could have dressed up as Jay Z (I guess he could have warn a mask, but that would have been much more difficult to make and terribly uncomfortable (at least in my opinion. I don’t wear masks because I find them stuffy). I think saying he cannot dress up as Jay Z because Jay Z is black would be more racist than anything he did…
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I can’t reconcile how someone would think that the guy dressed as PK Subban in Montreal gets admonished, but that this is okay.
I’m not saying that this is your viewpoint, but that it seems like a lot of people who cried foul about the first incident are willing to sweep this one under the rug.
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I wasn’t really around or educated on the black face history to understand that.
To me, the idea of making a costume to look like anyone shouldn’t be racist. The way that this can be racist is that it holds similarity to “blackface”. But if a person dressing up as someone with dark skin doesn’t put on the over-the-top racist stereotypes I don’t see it as the same thing. I don’t think dressing up as another race should be forbidden just because people used to do it really racistly for racist reasons…
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Ultimately public figures get held to a different standard than you or I would.
Raffi Torres, whether he acknowledges it or not, is a public figure.
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That is a very good point.
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It’s a very good point, but I think it’s completely besides the point.
Either the activity was racist or it wasn’t. The reaction to it will be scaled based on “Raffi did it” vs. fair_n_hite_451 did it", but if we’re going to talk about equality (and by talking about racism you’re talking about equality) then you must evaluate the action based just on the action.
I can understand how some black people (Cabbie wieghed in) could be offended by this.
I can understand how some black people (Laraque) aren’t offended at all by this.
Ted Danson dressed in blackface – a derogatory charicature of black people.
Raffi dressed a Jay-Z – a specific person he was emulating. (paying homage to? Not sure the correct description, but it certainly didn’t appear to be done in a mocking manner).
Those are wildly different incidents.
I personally wasn’t offended by Torres’ costume. (I find Kessel in a lion suit far more frightening…)
What does offend me is the fake moral indignation being spewed out by people in order to generate readership or provoke reactions. THAT is offensive.
If you personally (and not you BCapp personally, but if you as a reader of this post) are offended, that’s up to you – you choose how you react to things like Torres. Cool. I just can’t stand the idea of someone else telling me whether something was racist or offensive – and abusing the public forum they’ve been granted – in some underhanded effort to earn credibility.
That’s exploitation, plain and simple.
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I don’t disagree with everything here, but I would be careful. There’s a long history of White people loudly announcing that other White people’s actions weren’t racist. It isn’t entirely a proud history.
His action was a bit borderline, I think. Probably not racist, but if there’s an even somewhat plausible racist interpretation you’re dicing with a lot of trouble.
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The intent was malign. The stance I take is that as a public figure, you should probably know better. Regardless if you or your buddies don’t find it offensive, there are people who do and it paints you and who you represent (in this case the NHL and it’s fans) in a bad light. I don’t see it as any different than wearing an SS costume or waiving the Confederate flag.
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Starting to see where this went off the rails. There was an expectation Raffi Torres would do the right thing.
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Personally
I think those activities are very different as there really is nothing neutral or positive about them. He wanted to dress up as someone he idolized (which really isn’t at all racist= read neutral or positive) and it is only negative because it is similar to an activity that WAS racist.
Anywho, I’m dropping it. If we are saying he shouldn’t do it because he is a celebrity/public figure I can understand that.
I would say I hope he learned his lesson, but as he is Raffi Torres, I am sure he did not.
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I guess my point is that whether or not your intent is in the right place or malign in nature, it’s still the type of costume that carries more weight to it than almost any other kind.
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Yeah I definitely see where you are coming from. It just bugs me that an activity that is in itself benign has now become off limits because of similarity to something that was bad. Honestly something bugs me about white people not being able to dress up as dark skinned individuals. That feels racist to me…
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It’s called a “double standard”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
to some people Torres isn’t technically white to begin with, he’s Mexican/Pervuian. Some people think Latino’s aren’t white, though they usually are classified that way.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 1, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't imagine
The separation we make in medicine. Though to be fair we are much more interested in your ancestral background than what your skin turns out to be (we want to know your genes…)
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This is another thing I can’t stand. So, all of a sudden if a person is classified as “non-white” they get a pass on anything that could be interpreted as “racist”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
That is silly. And another double standard.
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As a white person of eastern european descent, I get the short end of the stick from all directions: I used to be mocked for my foreign sounding name (by guys named “Kyle”, “Taylor”, or “Ryan”), ethnic food I ate, and different cultural tendancies, but, as soon as it came down to double standards, taboo topics, and things I wasn’t allowed to do, I was immediately grouped in with the rest of the “whites”. Where is the justice in this world?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Taylor was a common name where your grew up? Never met one…
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Yean, I remember in grade 6 we had two Taylors in the class. Things got really confusing because their last names both started with the same letter also.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Crazy. I was from a Jewish neighbourhood so maybe it effected it, but the common names were Josh, Mike, Sara(h), Rachel, Lisa, and Jessica…
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I think Mike is common no matter where you are.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
My point would be: why do you need to paint your skin to go as a black celebrity? Why can’t you just put on the clothes/costume?
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Well I guess you could put on a black mask and sleeves/gloves. But personally I hate masks. I basically refuse to wear them on halloween (have to wear them enough in the OR). I find them stuffy and uncomfortable… And honestly makeup is usually a lot better than a mask…
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Same reason Dion felt the need to paint his face green to go as the Frankenstein monster: being as realistic as possible.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. I had a buddy who went as Usain Bolt a few years ago (after the Beijing Olympics). If he had just worn a Jamaica track suit, the costume would’ve made no sense whatsoever.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Was he husky?
Then he could have been John Candy from Cool Runnings.
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by clrkaitken on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some people dressed up as Usain Bolt at University of Montreal during frosh week and got a human rights claim slapped on them.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 1, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Not the best example considering Montrealers called the cops on Chara.
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The guy who did filed it was not a Montrealer, he was a McGill law student. Good guy, I’ve worked with him and played ball hockey with him. The black people I’ve spoken to on this issue (and between the Bolt incident, PK-blackface incident, and a girl in the gym where I workout wanting to dress as Oprah, there’s been some discussion) don’t like it. I figure, I don’t get to decide if I find something offensive to black people. Black person wants to take offence? That’s his/her right. The point was made that it would not be offensive if it was just among friends at a party, but once you go out in public, people will see you and they don’t know you, and they might take offense.
Just reporting what was said. Don’t really want to get into it. Also, don’t want to diminish your rip on Montrealers because that is spot on, of course.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was just kidding. And if someone wants to be offended by it, yeah, it’s their right, but that doesn’t necessarily mean the person that offended them is guilty of anything. I would say that people get offended a little too easily these days, but that doesn’t mean people should be insensitive to that and should think about something dumb before they do it.
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This is true. There are people who get offended for hanging an American flag on a front lawn, in AMERICA!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m listening to Toby Keith right now. I hope no one is offended.
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I am on behalf of your ears
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by clrkaitken on Nov 1, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait really?
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people were “offended” by the canadian flag being in canada’s parliment…long story no time to research right now. Bye!
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People get offended by lots of shit. People in Scotland got offended by the shape of soft serve ice cream.
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I can’t remember the specifics, I learned about it an undergrad poli sci class. Something about how the shape of the ice cream resembled some arabic character that represented Allah (we learned this in the context of the whole danish cartoon thing) and people complained and Burger King in one country (thinking Scotland) stopped selling soft serve for a while.
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I found this one! Go google!
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What did you search? I tried a few different queries but didn’t get anything, though I didn’t try using “Burger King” as I wasn’t sure if that was the restaurant.
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Bahaha
Read the article. They promptly pull the product (a lid with a spinning ice cream cone which looks like the arabic for Jihad) and redesign it to release after redesigning. The guy responds that its not good enough, because they could have spun it the other way in the first place. Than he says this is his Jihad.
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An easy distinction there is that Frankenstein’s monster wasn’t human.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
can’t tell if serious; hoping you’re not.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it an essential part of Jay Z that he’s black? If he had some other skin colour, would his character or talent be different? Birky’s point was that a change in skin colour shouldn’t be necessary.
Like it or not, if you can’t dress up as a black celebrity without copying their skin colour, you’re buying into distinctions based on race. If you’re going to do that in a way that has historically been used to demean one race in particular, well, at the least it’s insensitive.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
No you are just trying to look as much like them as possible. If someone was painting Jay Z and painted him a different skin colour it would be inaccurate.
Treating someone differently because of their skin colour is racism. Recognizing that they have a different skin colour is not. It is simply a fact. My hair is brown and my skin is white. Those are facts. What you do with them can make it racism.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The Russel Peters stand up joke holds very true where a white guy gets robbed by a black guy and the police ask the victim to describe the mugger and the white guy “can’t remember” what he looked like or if he was black, white, Asian, or whatever. Skin color is just a physical characteristic. If someone refuses to describe someone’s physical attributes because they believe it can’t be “racist”, that’s what is going to perpetuate this division between races/ethnic backgrounds.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
context context context. In North America skin color was not just a physical feature, it was a physical feature that marked people out for abuse, enslavement, rape, and murder. Some of that stuff happened in living memory (people were still lynched in the 60’s).
Getting all holier than thou about complaining black people, how dare they be all sensitive doesn’t make sense in the very real socio-historical context we live in. It would be a better world if it DIDN’T matter, but it isn’t.
Some day hopefully we’ll have solved all our problems, and nobody will care about this, and racism will be once and for all dead and over. But we’re not there yet, and pretending that we are doesn’t help anyone much.
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by Chemmy on Nov 1, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
just trying to look as much like them as possible
Sure. But is skin colour more important than height, weight, or facial features? It’s easier to change skin colour, but it’s not necessary (which was the original point).
What you do with them can make it racism.
Absolutely. But if you’re going to focus on the differences in skin colour (which is how we’ve created this artificial construct of “race”) then you’re risking having your focus interpreted as racism.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
then you’re risking having your focus interpreted as racism.
Honestly thats the perceivers fault.
If I am dressing up as someone really tall or short I will do what i can to take that into account. If its someone who is fat, I will likely try to stuff my clothing. If there hair is a different colour I would use washoutable hair dye. And if there skin was a different shade I would shade it.
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Honestly thats the perceivers fault.
Not really, no. If I say something that a reasonable person could take the wrong way, I apologize and rephrase – I don’t just blame them. It’s unfortunate that a reasonable person could be offended by blackface, but that’s the society we live in.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
To apply that to a greater view beyond blackface, I’m sure there are things that offend some otherwise reasonable person, somewhere. Should we just censor everything we say or do out of fear that it could reasonably offend somebody?
There’s a slippery slope; where do you draw the line?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, you could just think like a rational, empathetic human and ask yourself
Is what I’m about to do offensive to the person/people I’m emulating?
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It’s not really a clear yes or no answer ever, now is it? Like I said, it’s a slippery slope to just censor something because it could reasonably offend even one person.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that’s true, we live in a complex world in which all of the answers in life do not come down to simple yes/no, right/wrong answers. All we can do is to be as grown up and mature as possible, and use the best judgement we can. And if we’re doing something that has a real risk of opening very recent and deep racial wounds and getting people genuinely upset, then the reasonable and mature thing to do is to find a different costume, or to omit the skin-colour part of your costume (after all, it’s possible to dress up as Andre the Giant without being 7 foot tall).
If you wanted to dress up as Adam and Eve, would you go naked? Would you walk into a kindergarten classroom and yell “FUCK!” We’re actually pretty good at drawing lines.
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Those are pretty simple examples. Not everything is that cut-and-dry.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure. But is skin colour more important than height, weight, or facial features? It’s easier to change skin colour, but it’s not necessary (which was the original point).
Why isn’t it necessary to make the most accurate costume possible?
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What does that have to do with anything?
For any costume event.
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What exactly did Raffi Torres have to lose by not having a 100% accurate costume of Jay-Z?
Would he lose his job?
Would he be threatened with physical violence?
Then why was it imperative that his costume was 100% accurate?
This entire rationalization boggles my mind.
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What exactly did Raffi Torres have to lose by not having a 100% accurate costume of Jay-Z?
Why does anyone bother to dress up for Halloween? Why not just wear a piece of paper with who you want to go as, that should about do it, right?
I think agruing about “how far he should/shouldn’t go” is getting a little drawn out.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This is something I saw someone else point out, but I think it’s true:
Wearing a Yankees hat and a necklace isn’t really a Jay-Z costume. The thing that makes it a Jay-Z costume is painting yourself black. Therefore, the entire costume is the fact that he’s painted to look black. The point isn’t “hey look, I’m dressed like Jay-Z”, it’s “isn’t it funny that I painted my skin to look like a black person?” That might not be racist (I doubt Torres actually hates black people), but it’s certainly in poor taste.
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Actually, wearing the yankees hat and glasses kind of points to Jayzee, especially when one of his songs explicitly states that he “made the yankees hat more famous than a yankee can.”
The skin tone was just a further “refining” touch. This will be my last post on the topic, as Chemmy has requested we refrain from further discussion about it down below.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The druids from Ireland would be offended that you describde Samhein in such a way!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
How about ‘most accurate costume possible without being offensive’? It’s not really much different, and there are other ways in which an accurate costume could be offensive.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
But is skin colour more important than height
As far as physical characteristics go, if you saw a person standing say 20 feet away, could you give me a good estimate of their height, weight, or say, size of their nose before you could describe the tint of their skin?
Not saying it’s more or less important, just that it’s the most notable way of distinction.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Dion Phaneuf painted himself green to look like Frakenstein’s monster. Dr. Frankenstein, the Incredible Hulk, Yoda, and Beast Boy are outraged by this.
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I pointed this out earlier, but it got passed off as irrelevant because Phaneuf was trying to portray something “unhuman”, therefore, can’t be perceived as discrimination.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You really don’t get that “you have to wear makeup if you want to look like a monster or black person” might have a negative association somewhere in it?
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If you have a white complexion, you have to wear makeup to look darker
This makes perfect sense, very logical.
or how about we flip it:
you have to wear makeup [if you’re black] if you want to look like a white person
your implication of a monster is quite a stretch.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
You said monster. If you want to walk away from it, that’s fine, but it’s your comparison.
And I understand that we should just let this go. And that neither of us is actually a racist.
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Don’t forget the Wicked Witch of the West, Kang and Kodos, Shrek, and the Jolly Green Giant!
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Don’t forget Kermit. He told us it’s not easy being green, and this discrimination does not help!
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree. Although I can’t stand Torres, I found myself defending him in this case.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
My take
is that it wasn’t a racist costume per se – your analysis here is a good one, he wasn’t trying to do blackface, it just ended up reminiscent of it. So it clears the first hurdle pretty easily, he pretty clearly wasn’t out trying to mock black people.
The next question, though, is a harder one, which is that these things don’t take place in a vacuum. Imagine he’d done the same thing in 1956 in Alabama. The racial wound is raw and open, and you just can’t lightly allude to it. You may think you’re being innocent, but you’re stirring up a crap ton of sentiment and resentment and violence and prejudice, and so it’s just a stupid thing to do that causes far more harm in the fallout than you would possibly be worth it. Do the exact same thing where you’re Jay Z’s friend and you’re going to a party with Jay Z, and it’s clearly just ribbing a guy you know.
Context is everything. So are we now closer to the Jay Z’s buddy scenario than the 1956 Alabama one? Probably, but if you talk to black guys now (especially in the States, but even in Toronto) they’ll tell you that racism is far from dead, and they still get a lot of crap in everyday life, stopped by the cops just for driving a nice car, etc… So I’m going to come down on the side of well-intentioned but unwise.
BTW, we went through a marginally similar fight about sexist jokes the other day. Here’s a blog post that does a far better job of explaining what’s wrong with them than I did the other day.
I like what you wrote
And it makes me realize that my take/opinion on the situation comes from my outlook on life. There is still plenty of racism/sexism/anti-semitism (this would be the one that effects me)/etc out there today. But I don’t like people having to work really hard to avoid offending someone because there actions are similar to someone else who was doing something wrong. Its definitely not simple and I can fully appreciate black north americans not particularly liking it, but at the same time I feel like we are giving more power to the racists by adjusting our lives around them.
I dunno, I do appreciate what you mean about not stirring the pot, but I just really come back to disliking stopping a guy from doing a benign activity because he is not-black. It just feels so racist to me. Its not simple…
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Personally I side with Torres on this one, and for me the crux of the issue is that to me there’s a difference between what Torres did and what people are decrying as blackface. if you look back at historical images, Torres didn’t look anything like that. Blackface was about creating a mocking caricature with the makeup, basically creating a deeply offensive clown-like appearance. To me Torres was simply emulating the appearance of someone who happens to be black. That’s not offensive or even insensitive to me, it’s a harmless Halloween costume.
As a public figure should he have allowed the photo to get out for all the world to see? Especially in the Twitter world where kneejerk reactions crammed into 140 characters are the norm? Probably not. But personally don’t see anything wrong with his choice of costume.
This isn’t Al Jolson putting shoe polish on his face. The intent is emulation, not mocking. If Torres had just put shoe polish on his face, then I’d agree, but he was going for as authentic a look as possible.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
In the historical sense, no. Torres is not in blackface. But his costume most certainly evokes blackface.
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not simple
and it’s not the world we would like to live in, but there it is.
Suppose you see a guy with long arms, short legs, heavy eyebrows and big ears. You might be tempted to point out that the guy looks like a monkey, but if he also has black skin I’d highly recommend against it. Your purely benign context is not going to be interpreted that way.
Instead of not giving power to racists, think about it as having sympathy for the victims.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I know. Its a hard a situation but I really do lean towards doing it because I think its the way we move forward. When we can get a society where these things are harmless, is when we succeeded in removing racism (a long term goal which will probably never happen due to the innate “us vs them” of human nature).
I also really don’t like not being able to do something because of my race (I am white). The fact that I am not allowed to dress up as authentically as possible as a black person really bugs me. I understand there is a reason (a sensitive reaction to a racist practice), it doesn’t change that I am being forbidden to do something based on my race. No one would stop a dark skinned individual from doing the opposite (making themselves white) for a Halloween costume.
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No one would stop a dark skinned individual from doing the opposite (making themselves white) for a Halloween costume.
While I agree with the first part of your comment, this is comparing apples to oranges. Whites were never discriminated against by blacks.
Its a separate point
I don’t like having my actions limited based purely on my race. That is racism even if there is a good reason for it.
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Whites were never discriminated against by blacks
Actually, this happens all the time in predominantly black areas. There isn’t a historical cause, but it happens.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
And I would change your comment to:
Whites were never systemically discriminated against by blacks in nearly all parts of the western world.
Racism goes everyway, all the time…
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Of course, I figured that was implied in my comment. White people haven’t been historically marginalized. It happens in places, but it’s not hurtful in the same way because there’s no hurtful past getting conjured up.
For sure, just wanted to point out that there is plenty of racism against white people. The huge difference is the systemization and magnitude of racism that black people received in the western world and resulting marginalization. Particularly in the US, but not limited.
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Europe is still a very, very racist place. Ethnocentrism is much, much more overt there than most places in North America (including most GOP rallies).
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, it’s not just Europe. Any place you go in the world where there is a predominant local race/ethinc population, you’ll find discrimination against people from the outside. This happens in Africa, Asia, The Middle East, etc.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed, I agree. But I get the point. If BCapp wants to dress up as Tiger Woods, I take no issue with it because anyone could see he’s not trying to perpetuate anything about race, he’s trying to be Tiger Woods. It would also depend on if he used brown makeup similar to Torres, or black shoepolish. The latter would be offensive.
Point is, there’s a difference between brown makeup and blackface. And there’s a difference between dressing up as Jay-Z and doing something offensive (e.g. carrying around a bucket of fried chicken or something stereotypical of that nature).
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe this is a Canadian vs. American thing (I’m actually the former who’s lived in the states for awhile now), but the bottom line here is that blackface is deeply offensive to African-Americans, full stop. And simply because Wikipedia ascribes a level of malign intent to the original practice, does not mean what Torres did was excusable.
All of these thought-experiments and evocations of reverse racism and theorizing about post-racial consciousness are a little bit besides the point (they’re also the kind of dog-whistle pseudo-intellectualising of prejudice that happens in the darker corners of the internet).
I know this argument was bound to happen, and I hadn’t planned on chiming in, but, well, you know, I FEEL LIKE THE INTERNET NEEDED ME.
(P.S. I respect the posters on PPP and I’m not actually accusing you guys of any of the more negative implications I allude in the second paragraph above).
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
but the bottom line here is that blackface is deeply offensive to African-Americans, full stop
That’s a pretty bold blanket statement. Especially since we’ve discussed how subjective feelings of offense could be.
Also, this disclaimer after the fact:
P.S. I respect the posters on PPP and I’m not actually accusing you guys of any of the more negative implications I allude in the second paragraph above
does not soften the impact of this line:
they’re also the kind of dog-whistle pseudo-intellectualising of prejudice that happens in the darker corners of the internet
you may as well just have come out and said that Torres is a racist and anyone who didn’t agree was also a racist.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, how about this:
“But the bottom line here is that blackface is deeply offensive to African-Americans, full stop.” [Qualifier: insofar as we understand that “offense” is a subjective reaction that cannot possibly be consistent over a monolithic category of human beings, but that for the purposes of clarity and concision, in this case I have resorted to using monolithic categories.]
and this:
“P.S. I respect the posters on PPP and I’m not actually accusing you guys of any of the more negative implications I allude in the second paragraph above.” Qualifier: I am—literally—not accusing PPP’ers of this. Or are you saying that my explicit, stated intentions don’t have any bearing on the reactions of those effected?
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Spleen has a bit of a point. I’ve interacted with the American political blogosphere and their race politics are highly toxic and incomprehensible to Canadians. It might be a joke to a lot of us up North but they’re deadly serious about all of it.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 1, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you never heard of Russel Peters (or does the fact that he’s not white nullify any potential “racist” tags being placed on him?)?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never heard of Russell Peters.
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
As a 1st generation Canadian, I could definitely feel his pain.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Gosh, it was 50/50 that I had the correct # of "L"s on the end there, guess I chose wrong!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I’d rather talk about spelling, now, please.
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I really have to say this
He didn’t do blackface. He darkened his skin. There is a huge difference. Part of blackface was using completely black polish and emphasizing ridiculous physical stereotypes. He didn’t do either of those.
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It wasn’t blackface at all and not intended to be racist. His agent(who is african-american) even said people need to relax about these issues.
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Whoa, what? Revelation: His agent is black?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Revelation: his agent has a professional interest in the reputation of his client.
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
There isn’t a huge difference. The very act of dressing up as someone is caricature, regardless of whether or not it’s meant to demean.
I don’t think Rafi Torres is racist. My main problem is how easily everyone here is telling people to chill out about being offended.
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i still cant beleive this is still being talked about. You guys are going in circles
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So you’re agreeing that it’s NOT a big issue, right?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I know. This would be better in a bar.
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This is blown out of context. It is an issue of circumstance. It was Halloween and he chose to go as his favourite musician. If this was a normal November afternoon and he just chose to blacken himself for kicks, that is different. People dress up as Leprechauns and talk offensively about Irish people, I’m not offended. Irish have a history of oppression as well. He did not mean it offensively, he was just going to a halloween party. /rantover
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But Irish people are just a subcategory of “white” therefore, cannot be offended
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
And a fictional monster is entirely the same as dressing as a living person of a different race.
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In the spirit of halloween, yes. Glad we can see eye to eye.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha. As a person of Irish extraction, I am DEFINITELY OFFENDED when people dress up as MYTHICAL IRISH CREATURES.
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh geez, I’m so confused, I give up. Cripes!!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s just call it a day.
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by Berezin's Spleen on Nov 1, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a world of difference between calling a black man a “monkey” and dressing up as a celebrity you admire, who happens to be black. I know you’re pointing to an extreme to prove a point, but, they’re not comparable.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
In regard to Matt Read
The G & M article notes how he was signed to a non ELC deal out of college and is undrafted. How is that possible?
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Off the top of my head, I’m guessing it has to do with his age. He turned 25 in the summer.
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Generally, don’t ELC deals govern your first contract up to the age of 24?
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I am not sure about ELC’s, but I know thats roughly the way RFA’s work. Wasn’t Gus that age when we signed him though? And he got an ELC IIRC.
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The only real difference I see is that Gustavsson was 24 when his rookie season started (his birthday is late October).
Read was born in June 1986, so he was 25 years old when the season started.
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Looking deeper into the PK – We have been shorthanded 47 times – which is 20th worst in the league. We’ve allowed 13 PK goals (2nd worst after OTT) for 72.3%. If we got closer to the league average in penalties taken (last year we were 9th in times shorthanded so should be doable) and got our PK up to 80% (still 20th worst in the league), we’d only have let in 8-9 PK goals (42 times SH x 80% success). That’s almost 0.75 goals per game less and our ticket to the playoffs.
by Dr_Furious on Nov 1, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
please
god I really hope someone on this team figures out how to run a decent PK. There’s no way we can continue to keep spotting teams 1+ goals against with our lousy PK and expect to be a competitive team.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
in case you missed it
here is James Reimer dressed up as the guy from the timmys commercial that looks like him
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 11 recs
YES!!!! He knows what we’re thinking!
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Between this and the Optimus Reim nickname, I’m increasingly convinced he lurks this blog.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I have that feeling all the time, didn’t Tim Brent say/do something last season that kind of removed all doubt he read it on a blog?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He discovered the pic that said “I’m the fuck who Tim Brent is.” Said a friend sent it to him, though. Not sure…
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Until I hear the words “Reimer gets the start against New Jersey”, colour me skeptic.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't colour yourself
(I couldn’t resist)
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by BCapp on Nov 1, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
It’s true. Skeptics have been a discriminated people. Always having to put up with the hateful epithet of ‘non-believer’ from the majority.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Realignment
Wsyh talks about how the Penguins are currently getting screwed over should the lastest proposal go through. I say keep that proposal, only swap Pittsburgh with NYR and have the Rangers separate from the NYC trio. As I said in the comments:
What about the Rangers separating from the NYC trio? I actually think MSG would approve of such a move as it means more unique games for them to broadcast (less of NYR, NJD, and NYI playing one another) and subsequently more ad revenue. Plus one could argue that a schedule with TOR, MTL, and BOS would create larger gates and TV audiences than would a schedule with CAR, TBL, and FLA.Too radical? Would the NHL ever split up the 3 NYC teams?
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seems about right. I wonder, however, whether they want OV and Crosby in different divisons so NBC has more games to air?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s what the league should do.
Create five divisions of six.
Northeast – Boston, Buffalo, Columbus, Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto.
West – Anaheim, LA, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver and Colorado
North – Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Minnesota, Detroit and Chicago
South – Dallas, Nashville, St. Louis, Carolina, tampa Bay and Florida
These 24 teams will comprise the two conferences that compete for the Stanley Cup
Then we’ll have an NBC division, which consists of Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Washington, New York Rangers, New York Islanders and New Jersey.
These six teams will only play each other, over and over, all games will be televised on NBC, NBC will only ever acknowledge that these six teams exist, and at the end of the season they’ll have a seperate playoffs to compete for the NBC Cup. Then nobody will ever have to listen to the petulant whinings of these NYC and surrounding area fucksticks anymore.
Jesus.
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by clrkaitken on Nov 1, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yes. Yes, we do.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I get the Buffalo NBC without cable and then one for each timezone with cable.
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I think we get Detroit’s feed in Ottawa. Weirdest thing.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Doubt Detroit likes this idea.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 1, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m offended by this comment. What do you mean by “cater”? Are you trying to make a connection to food and the fact that Detroit was voted the fattest city in the US?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure Pittsburgh is thrilled by the idea of being in a division with 3 (possibly 4 if QC returns) Canadian teams.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I’d like to see NYR in our dvision and move the Pens out. That division as it stands is ridiculous when it comes to top draws: Toronto, Detroit, Montreal AND Pittsburgh? That’s a lot of gate other divisions will miss out on.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 1, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Once Crosby retires (it will happen eventually) Pittsburgh will go back to being a really lousy draw.
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by Back In Black on Nov 1, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That is until they bomb out for consecutive years to once again pick in the top 3 for three or four years in a row. I mean, that’s how “good” teams build championships, right?
/kindoftorncuzIactuallylikethePens
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This is only permissible if you can prove a grandfather clause proving you liked the Pens before 2006. Unlike some people here, not that I’m naming names coughleafercough
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I did a book report on Lemieux in grade 5 (circa 1995), and I think I may still be able to dig it up.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering you can’t stick to one team, I don’t expect you to now. ;)
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
lol you went to the puck daddy comments
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You’d be looking at a division consisting of 5/6 Original Six teams if Detroit moved East. That would be amazing.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That would suck for the rest of the league gate wise.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not necessarily, since there are lots of strong markets that aren’t O6 (e.g. Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington, Western Canadian teams, etc).
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I would venture to guess they are biggest drawing visiting teams outside of hard core rivals or teams within driving distance.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafs Tv just said Kessel was named Player of the Month for October.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
phil kessel says
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 1, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Take that haterz
Glenn Healy..go fuck yourself.
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by Future_considerations on Nov 1, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s like he checks her out to see what the appropriate social response is
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Should I laugh?
Yes I should. SHIT, I think I laughed too hard. Did anyone notice? Shiiiiit I think someone did, get me outta here
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 1, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
lol…he takes it to the nth degree
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 1, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil Kessel was chosen the NHL’s #1 Player of the Month for October.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Good gravy that’s terrible facial hair.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
In case you missed it, a rundown of the Halloween costumes from around the NHL
http://gingersnowflake.blogspot.com/2011/10/halloween-in-nhl.html
Avery clear re-entry. Frowntown.
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No, it’s still funny. Now the Rangers are stuck with a $1.94M fourth liner who penalizes the team more than he contributes. I’m really happy that the fanbase did that to their bubble team.
Torts wasn’t wrong when he said that they have better players than Avery.
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I don’t like Sean Avery but his replacement was Kris Newbury.
Sean Avery is better than Kris Newbury.
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Now who is Brown gonna rag-doll?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Brown can now do this to Avery.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Newbury had a cap hit of 512,500. Almost a quarter of Avery’s.
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Kris Newbury is below replacement level.
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What does that matter though? Either one fits under the cap and the Rangers still have to pay both.
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For a team with a pretty short window, limiting deadline options in what may very well be Brad Richards’ most productive year seems dumb. Especially if it’s so they can get an upgrade on a guy getting 5:49 a night.
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This is great news for NYR from a Leafs perspective.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 1, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
mirtle James Mirtle
Rangers President and General Manager Glen Sather announced today that forward Sean Avery has been recalled from the Connecticut Whale.
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So much for a third team being on the hook.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
I’m in class right now. I kinda just skimmed past that thread. My bad.
TWEET AT ME BRO
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ladies, Gentlemen:
Shut up about blackface. I think we’ve all said our piece.
Thanks,
The Management.
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I want to know what Admin bot thinks of the issue
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
Something to the tune of:
Fucking Humans.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
by PassivelyTruculent on Nov 1, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ON THIS VITAL ISSUE, ADMIN BOT’S OPINION IS AS FOLLOWS:
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TWEET AT ME BRO
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
@TSNScottyMac
Scott MacArthur
Colby Armstrong is AT LEAST a month away and likely more suffering from that sprained ankle. #Leafs #NHL
/cries
great return for the money right there.
by Jack rides ducks on Nov 1, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess Frattin will be with the Leafs until at least mid-December.
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s 7 BS Sports Stories from the media
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I think someone wants us to SHUTUP about a certain topic which I will not bring up again.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 1, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
Let’s talk about something we can all agree on to heal these divisive wounds:
HABS: Shitty team, or shittiest team?
TWEET AT ME BRO
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 1, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i am not done talking about xylophones, and no one can make me stop.
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by elseldo on Nov 1, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In episode 2F09 when Itchy plays Scratchy’s skeleton like a xylophone, he strikes the same rib twice in succession, yet he produces two clearly different tones. I mean, what are we to believe, that this is some sort of a magic xylophone or something?
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by SkinnyFish on Nov 1, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
* snorts *
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by Chemmy on Nov 1, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll field this one.
Let me ask you a question. Why would a man whose shirt says “Genius at Work” spend all of his time watching a children’s cartoon show
Cynically Sarcastic
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by clrkaitken on Nov 1, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh, excuse me, Mr Simpson. On the Itchy & Scratchy CD-ROM, is there a way to get out of the dungeon without using the wizard key?
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by clrkaitken on Nov 1, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The point of posting to say “SHUT UP ABOUT BLACKFACE” is to get people to SHUT UP ABOUT BLACKFACE not for everyone to get in their final point.
SHUT UP ABOUT BLACKFACE.
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can we talk about Blackbeard?
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Yes, but only once you learn how to properly link images.
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by Chemmy on Nov 1, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Next blackface comment and we’re going to a new FTB.
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