Ghost of Goaltending Situations Past
This season, Toronto’s three netminders have a combined .888 save percentage, which is third worst in the league and well off the league average of .910.
In fact, since coach Ron Wilson arrived in 2008, the nine goaltenders that have played under him have stopped the lowest percentage of shots in the league (.893), which is miles behind the likes of Boston (.925) and Florida (.918).
Hrm. Well, jump for more links.
Leafs Links:
Ron Wilson Sent a Message To His Goalies in His Press Conference
Shape up, or ship out. I can somewhat relate to this post, since I know that teachers have a similar code they speak in when they address parents. From Justin Bourne.
And how would you like to regress today, Mr. Bond?
Even with average luck from here on in, the Leafs have a shot at making the playoffs. From Cam Charron at The Leafs Nation.
Injury Worries Reimer's Mom
Dave Feschuk of the Star has a piece with Dr. Mom's opinion. She's clearly no more able to determine if her son has a concussion than you or I, but she does list some of the symptoms that James has been experiencing.
I lose a bet. You all win.
Ahahahah. From Loser Domi.
Is today a good day to ask for a raise? The Wilson extension: a matter of time—and timing?
To me, this question is straightforward. If it looks like Ron Wilson is going to drag this team into the playoffs, he stays, if not, he's out. I'd bet Burke waits a while before a contract is handed out. Article from Michael Langlois at VLM.
Inside The Blue And White Bubble
Wow. It was a little long, so I didn't read the whole thing, but who cares, 'cause I gave you an 'A'?
The Curious Case of James Reimer
Darren K at Blue Chip Prospects is annoyed that the Leafs' front office won't say that Reimer has a cuncussion.
Monster Disappointment
The title pretty much says it all for this piece from The 5th Line Center.
Gustavsson Sucks
Jon Steitzer's title at Puckin' Eh sums up his feelings rather succinctly.
Other Hockey Links:
Bag Skates: Effective or Not, They’re Here To Stay
Justin Bourne at Backhand Shelf gets a little bit psychological today.
Can Teams Win By Taking Higher-Quality Shots?
Jonathan Willis doesn't think it's reliably possible.
Who’s Got the Worst Shot in the NHL?
According to Justin Bourne, that is.
Braydon Coburn signs four-year, $18 million contract extension
Travis Hughes and the fan reaction to the contract over at BSH.
Meaningless stupidity takes centre stage in Ottawa
Too many jokes to choose from on this title. Article from Roy MacGregor at the Globe.
The Different Types of Fantasy Hockey GMs
The latest from Dirty Dangle.
Judge finds former NHLer used steroids
Tyler Dellow thinks the NHL is ignoring the problem of steroids.
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by thenumber14 on Nov 10, 2011 7:14 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
i hate Gionta a little bit more now.
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"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Wilson
extend him as soon as we’re a playoff lock and not a second before. Simple. If we don’t make the playoffs blast him into space.
Reimer
Clearly things look a lot worse than they were originally, he’s going to be out a while, pay the price for a suitable fucking interim goalie – Clemmensen, Nabokov, Emery, hell even loosen the purse strings and go for Bobrovsky (hold onto the 1st rounder though!). Something to give this organization an excuse to waive Gustavsson.
Franson
I think it’s time they find a roster spot for him or trade him, although in principle I like having cough “depth” cough on D, but is he really providing it? A youngish kid probably deserves a shot to play on at least a 3rd pairing somewhere, and unless we see an injury, he ain’t going to see one here.
Defense
Clearly another year of “looks good on paper but shitty on ice”, I have no idea how to fix it. I wanted a guy like Brewer in the summer, but now that he’s locked up in Tampa, can only hope for a super long-shot in Suter (if they want a high-end guy). What they really need is like a very very good 2nd pairing defensive guy, but I’m not an expert on defensemen. Luke Schenn, this is supposed to be you.
Losing
I know it’s only 2 losses in a row, but wow does it ever feel like more than that after those beatdowns. Other teams have had much worse losing streaks already this season, but it sure feels like the Leafs have been exposed for their overachieving early. Glad they banked those points early on, but I think we’re past the “dont trade anyone to mess with a winning formula”. Trade anyone to make this team better. Burke is probably trying to have patience and cool his head before making an important decision like a trade, but he better not let the ’09 Leafs season re-appear when he has the pieces to improve this club.
Rant over, nhlcheapshot out. drops mic
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 7:24 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Defense
Kinda goes hand in hand with goalies. No confidence in the latter ruins good efforts by the former.
If schenn didn’t have to worry that every mistake would be in the back of the net I think he’d improve drastically.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2011 7:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no he’s saying that it compounds the problem
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with the notion around here that Schenn just gained to my muscle in the off season and is having trouble being mobile. He looked better last night, so hopefully that’s a step in the right direction.
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People tend to forget how young he is too since he’s been around for a while. But yeah maybe he put on too much too soon and it’s messing with his agility. Komi lost weight and is playing better than last year. Now they’re gonna make Schenn lose pounds next season. Poor kid.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
When they start that young it does age them in my mind. When I’m thinking of him its like my mind tells me he’s 24
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he looked brutal on the first goal, and being over weight may be an issue, but from what I’ve seen pretty much every time he gets beaten due to his slower footspeed or manorverability it is started by a mental mistake, he fails to corral the puck right, poor positioning, etc and then when he gets stripped of the puck or angled out he cannot make up for it with speed
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
Shockingly enough
I think it was kipper in the intermission who made the point that Schenn took the man and was completely fine. But then he switched to the stick for some reason and got all flustered before losing the battle.
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don't you get it?
our goalies suck and everyone else is an all-star. it’s quite simple really.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
You think if Gus ever for whatever reason came on this blog and started reading, he would just break down and cry?
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i think he’s more likely to cry from RW’s pressers or Burke sending him out of town. but yes.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
man if that’s what RW says about him in a public forum, just imagine what he says to him in private
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What I found interesting was that he went out for Halloween with Kessel, Bozak, and Schenn (and their gf’s).
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
seems like the group of guys with serious gfs but no kids? Kessel and Gus definitely both have long-time gfs.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
For sure
But what I am saying is that the other 3 guys seem like a pretty big part of the core and he is the goalie that isn’t very good going out with them on their free time to a party.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
I don’t get it. What’s wrong with that? What did he go out dressed as? Vesa Toskala?
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing wrong at all
In fact its nice to see. I was pleasantly surprised that there appears to be a good relationship between them.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
“Until you start playing you’re not allowed to hang out with us and come to our parties!”
heh.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
*better
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Shitty players aren’t necessarily ignored off the ice. Maybe he gets them into the best parties or something?
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Lebda was apparently a well-liked guy off the ice in Detroit and then even in Toronto, despite being the worst hockey player to ever don the blue and white.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Just don’t talk shop.
I have co-worker’s who aren’t very good at their job, whom I get along with. We just talk about other shit during break/lunch
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
our goalies do suck though. I don’t understand how saying Gustavsson sucks and Scrivens isn’t ready is false
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
it’s about 1/6th of the problem though. maybe 1/3. but here we are again, acting like all we need is a fucking replacement level goalie and we’ll be fucking 1st in teh league forever.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
Where in my post does it say that it’s the entire problem? Where in my post does it say that a decent backup we’ll be first forever?
Is Gus good or something? Is Scrivens? Are we trying to win games or what?
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
it wasn’t about your post. it was in response YL’s comment to Burtch that Gus was responsible for Schenn sucking.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Ok I agree with that. The team is playing like ass right now bar maybe 3 or 4 players. We win and lose as a team.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
No way Gus is responsible for Schenn sucking. He was bad with Reimer in net.
But it is indisputable fact that we are getting horrific goaltending from Gus and Scrivens. If we don’t get help, we’re in big fucking trouble.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
I don’t disagree. and i suppose, one problem at a time. but i hate the assumption that somehow that magically will fix every problem the leafs have ever had for the past 5 years.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
2 of our glaring problems to me are PP and sloppy passing. Also no ability to dump and chase except the 4th line, which when it gets the puck can’t do much except run the clock down in the O zone. Goalie fixes none of those.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you get another rec.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
while I agree with both being glaring issues, they are a little further down the “to do list” than things like goaltending, defensive zone coverage and the PK
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i’ve just gone crazy with all the tarring and feathering of goalies the past few days.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
It’s an easy problem to notice and therefore an easy problem to attack.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
the thing that makes me more upset is even RW was perpetuating it the other day. he acted as though the goalies were to blame for two losses by a combined score of 12-1.
as in, there’s nothing wrong with scoring 1 goal in 2 games.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
when, if the goaltending had been competent, the Leafs had been outscored 4-1 in two games it looks a bit better
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
but then we’re having a totally different discussion about how to fix the PP and PK, and whether RW needs to be fired.
these are conversations I much prefer.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
we’d probably focus more on how insanely snake bit Kulie has been, what did he have? 5 posts in the past 2 games? or how a healthy Connolly would be boosting the offense
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Wilson is the only common denominator in our 3 years of atrocious special teams and porous defense. I’m all for change in that department but only if there’s a suitable replacement. I know nothing about Gordon so i don’t know if that’s the guy. I just don’t want us firing him so we can appear to be doing something.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
no, Wilson is not the only common denominator, you are forgetting absolutely shittacular goaltending
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
I was talking about bad special teams and shitty defense. Goalies don’t influence those much. But they do compound the problem. I’m not defending our shittacular goaltending by the way. Just focusing on those two specifics.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
goaltending impacts the PK huge
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t there a fanpost that disproved that
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
that was mine. i’m not sure i disproved it, but i think i went a long way to dispelling the idea that goalies alone are going to fix the PK.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
alone, no, but if you have a shitty goalie, your PK will be shitty too
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
and if you have a shitty PK, your good goalie will be shitty.
/bidirectional’d
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
not really, cause if you have a shitty PK and your goalie is good 5v5 then he isnt a shitty goalie
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
shitty by his good standards though.
you could have two goalies with .900 SH SV%. one, a .930 goalie on a shitty PK, the other, a .900 goalie on a good PK. does one look worse than the other?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Right but a shitty goalie is shitty across the board. PK systems are not the goalie. They’re the coach. The inability to clear the puck out of the zone is on players. We suck at both. I’m not gonna blame the goalies for our woes on the PK. We’re pretty good 5-5 but we are despicable on special teams. That’s on the coach and his systems. Just my opinion.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
That’s not what happened though. We’ve been outscored 12-1. Why are you complaining that hypothetical conversations in an alternate universe aren’t happening?
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Good way of putting it. Reminiscent of the SCF last season.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
its hard to defend
Peter Ing level goaltending I agree.
I didn’t say fixing the goalie would solve everything else, but without a goalie the rest of it is much harder to address or even assess.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2011 2:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just because it doesn’t fix every problem doesn’t me the team ignores it. I don’t get what you’re saying. Lay off the goaltending? Fine. But do you really think the team should just leave it alone? Really, what are you demanding?
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
he’s demanding that we don’t solely blame the goaltending.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
that’s all I’ve ever asked.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not entirely the goalies fault. Definitely. It’s just the same problem – like the PK and PP – for a long time.
Also, Burke apparently builds from the net out.
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
maybe he means the opposing team’s net.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Burke apparently builds from the net out.
To be fair to Burke, he’s acquired a slew of good goalie prospects. We lucked out with Reimer last season. He just hasn’t been able to land a big goalie acquisition that settles the position once and for all.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
He just hasn’t been able to land a big goalie acquisition that settles the position once and for all.
Maybe, maybe he hasn’t tried. WHo knows?
He’s brought in high paid veterans at all other positions, to shield his developing players. Consistently. Every season.
He tried with Giguere, didn’t last. Didn’t do anything about it this season.
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
he also brought in Gerber
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
It was really brief.
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
except
He didn’t acquire reimer. JFJ did.
He’s added 4 AHL goalies. IDK why he can’t find an NHL goalie.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2011 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Garrett Sparks!
/notholdingmybreath
But one thing is that they don’t seem to be focusing too highly on drafting one, instead bringing them in and hoping Allaire can turn them into NHL goalies.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Attention falls to the goaltending because it’s the most glaring issue and the most easily solved by bringing in one asset. The systems issues may take more creative answers.
Also, if you want to talk about it from a prospects and “moving forwards” perspective, we have nothing but young goaltenders with upside in this system (uh, after we ditch Jonas, I mean), and our depth in goalie prospects, while useless in the short term, is quite good in the long term (read: when it matters).
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Burke has also completely overhauled every other player on the roster. The only Leafs still around from before he got here, as far as I know, are Schenn and Kulemin. Just like how we constantly go back and forth on whether special teams is Wilson’s fault, at some point after you’ve moved everything else on the table, goaltending has to get some of the blame. It’s time Burke did something about it.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
grabovski, Frattin and Reimer were all aquired (trade/drafted) before Burke
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I knew I missed a couple there
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
gunnarson was not a burke pick either right?
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. Gunnar, Reimer, Frattin, and Kule were all JFJ picks. But all but Kule were brought to the NHL by Burke.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
Fletcher
Living and dying with the Blue and White, season to season, game to game, shift to shift.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Neither
Silver Fox.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
but goaltending has been changed. about 5 times.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
The year Burke got here, our goalies were Toskala, Gerber, CuJo, and Pogge. We’ve since seen at least one GP from MacDonald, Gustavsson, Giguere, Reimer, and Scrivens.
That’s 9 goaltenders in 3 years, including one who was called “the best goalie outside of the NHL”. We’ve also added Rynnas, who had the same title, and 21 year old Owuya, who impressed in his SEL season.
We’ve had turnover and we’ve brought in (more qualified) assets to continue that turnover. Yeah, knowing how badly the Gustavsson experiment went, I think we probably could’ve/should’ve bit the bullet and paid the price to get a more established goalie in here sooner, but it’s a little disingenuous to say that there hasn’t been some turnover in net.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
right. and when you change one variable repeatedly (the goalie) and get the same effect (bad SV% and losing games), you begin to wonder whether the thing that you’re changing isn’t the problem at all…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
But it’s also worth noting that with the exception of Reimer, every goalie on that list…sucks for one reason or another.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
well…i admit none of them are spectacular. i just don’t think any of them are as bad in reality as they were on this team.
Giguere has played well for Colorado this season. Raycroft is still in the NHL. Clemmenson has put up .911 or better in every season since he left Toronto.
at some point, bad D and bad d-systems are going to drag down the goalies.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Vortex of suck!
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Is it the systems fault that Jonas cant play the puck behind the net to save his life? Or that he cant stop wrist shots from the blueline with no screen at all?
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure it was tipped. he still probably should have stopped it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
wasnt even referring to the kopeckey goal, that ottawa kid scored on an even worse shot a couple weeks back
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
oh yeah. that was a brutal goal. no doubt.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
no. it’s not.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
This would make Reimer’s 920+ last spring even more impressive. Giguere and Raycroft are doing well in limited roles, not the starter roles that was asked of them here. None of those guys are starting goalies anymore.
So our problem was forcing goalies to play outside their roles. Which, ahem, is still happening, right now.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
It’s gotta be bad defensive systems. You can take a big guy whos not too mobile, and put him in a good system (Hal Gill, Larry Murphy) and he’s much better.
The best breakdown I saw yet of our PK woes was that the players didn’t trust each other, and weren’t all bought into the system… leading to lapses in coverage.
We haven’t had a system for a while, and even if we are bringing in a good one now (who knows) it’ll still take a while for them all to get into sync with it.
I wasn’t trying to say Burke hasn’t tried to fix the goaltending, although looking over what I wrote I can see how that came across. But I think there’s a chicken-or-the-egg thing here when it comes to the defense and goaltending. Perhaps we’re too restricted in trying to prove whether one begets the other. Rather, both exist on parallel lines, except when they meet at the intersection of suck.
Alternatively, there’s no question that Burke has turned over the goaltending. The impact of those turnovers, at the present moment, is another story. Clearly we have great prospects now that we didn’t have before, but can you really argue that goaltending is a position of strength? It’s still a work in progress, as with everything else on this team.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
what are you talking about? reimer’s stats during his time here – and the leafs W-L record during that time – are vastly superior to any of the other 5 or 6 goalies we’ve had during Burke’s tenure. good goalies can stop pucks. bad goalies can’t.
your defence of shitty goalies is bizarre.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
also
Reimer did make the team better. unquestionably. that doesn’t mean his stats wouldn’t benefit from playing behind better D.
we obviously want as good a goalie as we can possibly get. i’m just not in favor of banking on a goalie to solve every problem the Leafs have had for the last 5 years, just because the goalies hvae been bad for that long.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That wasn’t the point you were making though. You were saying that all of our goalies have been bad, so maybe it’s the system’s fault and not the goalie. That’s not true. Reimer has done really f-ing well with the Leafs, because HE’S ACTUALLY A GOOD GOALIE.
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he's changed every
Variable repeatedly. I think at this point we have prospects in every area that we can see improving – except in goal frankly.
Reimer is injured (again), Gus is getting worse not better, and so far Scrivens and Rynnas are hit and miss at the AHL level. Owuya is ok so far but its hard to base anything off of 4 or 5 games.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2011 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Team looked pretty good in the second half of last year when they got real goaltending.
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I think people have been saying an average goalie would have made us low-seed playoff team the past couple seasons.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
true
i’m being hyperbolic. but look at Burch’s comment. the underlying statement is “fix goaltending and Schenn’s shitty play will go away.” it’s an absurd disucssion to be having, but we’ve been having it for years about PK/PP/coaching/D coverage, etc.
there are other problems on this team, and we need to be aware that better goalies won’t just magically fix them all.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
in my very humble opinion. Our defense needs to play better defense, our goalies need to stop pucks better, we need to pass better as a whole, our forwards needs to be able to penetrate traps better, our special teams needs to be coached better.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
we need to be able to adjust on the fly too. If they keep breaking up your neutral zone passes….dump the puck and chase it! Do something different other than keep giving it away!
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
pretty much. We use our speed to our advantage and as a result often score on rushes.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I totally agree with you on that. Our possession stats from last season, for example, showed us to be a lottery team. A new goalie wouldn’t (and didn’t) change that.
I think in Schenn’s case, as a young player, playing in front of poor goaltending has had an effect on his development.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree. It might make him tighter and more afraid to make a mistake but I don’t see how it would affect his practice routine, his understanding of the game and any other developmental things. When Reimer was playing he was still making mistakes all over the place.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Again, I don’t disagree. I made the point earlier that I don’t absolve Schenn of the blame for his poor performance. But isn’t it possible that when he starts out slow like he did, his issues are compounded by his memories of poor goaltending behind him?
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I would think that you’re right that he’s more tight as is the rest of our D. But I also think this comes into play when there’s a decision to be made whether to make the safe play or go for it. He’s not making many safe plays. He’s making bad positional mistakes and his foot speed is lacking and he’s not using his body. Those have nothing to do with goalie confidence. Plus either way it’s a poor excuse. He has to be better at playing his own game.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
His positional mistakes are definitely magnified by his poor maneuverability.
He needs to settle down and focus on his positioning. That’s what will end up making him a solid shutdown defender.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
ok, this is a bit more reasonable, but I still respectfully disagree. Schenn has had plenty of coaching support and lots of people building up his confidence. i don’t buy that the goaltending is what is affecting his development.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think it has had some influence. That said, I’m still in the camp that his summer workout routine was the main problem.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
my problem is we don’t have any comparison. we don’t know how Schenn would have been in front of better goalies.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
unless you count the tail end of last season where he was a beast
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
yeah. was that confidence?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
in himself? sure, he was playing well before Reimer got the call, but once Reimer was in net the whole team went into go mode
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
True.
The one thing that confounds me about Schenn’s play was the scoring chance data from last season. He was one of the best on the team for chances against.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that when Reimer plays the team wins. If we have a goalie with a .920 save perentage and our defense still plays like crap and we miss the playoffs, then you will be proven right. Kind of a Pyrrhic victory though isn’t it?
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Goaltending is by far the largest problem on this team. If we move from our goaltending to average we cut out about a goal/game.
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goaltending and breakaways.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I’m not denying there are a million other problems, but average goaltending makes this a much better team. Its the single most important problem (and should be the cheapest/easiest to rectify. Replacement level goaltending isn’t that hard to acquire).
Vs our many other problems.
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while I agree that it needs to be fixed, i’m still not convinced that it’s the ‘single most important problem’. i’m not convinced, for example, that the GAA couldn’t drop by 1 and the sV% couldn’t increase behind a more effective devensive group/system.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
‘easiest problem to fix’ might be more accurate. but then there’s a disproportionate amount of vitriol directed at them simply because they’re easily replaced.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
It’s still much easier to acquire a goalie who isn’t literally among the worst in the league at his position, than to swap out multiple D-men and/or implement a better system.
I think over the last day or two the vitriol has been focused less on how bad our goalies are and more on how frustrating it is to see the goalie situation in such shambles.
Not first in the league, but better. It’s just easier to see the goaltending problems because they are so stark. This is still a young team and they need time to develop. The goalies are young too, unfortunately they are developing under a brighter light, because of their position.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 10, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
wow. Defensemen are fucking fragile.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
When every mistake seems to end up in the back of the net, yes.
And there’s a mentality in hockey to never blame the goalie that’s ingrained in your head from a young age. It’s easy to take every goal scored against quite personally as a defenseman.
Schenn has played a large portion of his career in front of Toskala. I’d say he’s pretty shell-shocked.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
That’s not to take away any of the blame from Schenn for his performance so far. I agree with the person who talked about his weight gain this summer. It doesn’t help him to get significantly heavier when he already has mobility issues.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
I knew there was something wrong with Schenn on his very first pre-season shift.
by Jack rides ducks on Nov 10, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
i don’t buy it. goalies are supposed to the some fucking Jedi at the back that isn’t bothered by anything that happens in front of them, but meanwhile defensemen fall apart because they play in front of a bad goalie?
and trust me, goalies get tons of blame for bad goals, from forwards, defensemen, coaches, parents. whomever.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
I have yet to see Schenn or other Leafs defensemen call out any of the goalies for any of the bad goals they’ve given up.
Schenn is a young player trying to find a place in the league. 3 seasons in front of below average goaltending has not helped his confidence. When he makes a mistakes (whether because of inexperience, poor workout regimen, whatever), it ends up as a goal.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
1) players don’t often call other players out publicly. how often do you hear Kessel say “I scored a bunch of goals but Schenn really shit the bed back there on D?” we don’t know what happens behind closed doors though.
2) Dion DID say in an interview yesterday that the goalies had some trouble, but that they needed to be better in front of them when they weren’t getting the bounces. He didn’t absolve them of blame.
3) being a goalie IS different than being a skater. I think it’s pretty hard for skaters to pass blame on to goalies.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
You’re right that we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors but I doubt the players play the blame game with the goalie in the locker room.
And you made the point in a discussion above about how the Leafs need more than just a goalie to be good. I agree with that. I just think that there may be some truth to the point about Schenn’s development being hurt by poor goaltending.
It’s easy to dismiss “intangibles” but I think the mental aspect of the game is more significant with respect to young players who are trying to make the difficult transition to the professional level.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
And there’s a mentality in hockey to never blame the goalie that’s ingrained in your head from a young age.
I’m glad someone finally said it.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Or maybe – not directly to the goalie at least.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
My dad used to tell me when I blamed our goalie for a bad game: “that goalie was the last person to be beat….five of his teammates were beaten before he was.”
A bit simplistic and folksy, but there it is. Having said that, a goalie is expected to bail out his team’s mistakes some of the time. When you can’t rely on our goaltender to bail your team out of tough spots, then you need to start looking elsewhere, because that’s their job. Is it fair? Not really, but it’s the reality of the position.
by Matt97 on Nov 10, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is the reality of the position. I’ve always appreciated a goalie who can admit to having a bad game, or letting in bad goals. It’s much more rare than it should be.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
That’s exactly what my coaches and my dad would always say. We never blamed the goalie for anything, and if anyone ever said anything about the goalie playing bad everyone thought they were a dickweed.
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one time I had a goalie who was a real jackass. he was terrible but every time he’d let in a floater from past the redline (happened at least a dozen times) he’d bitch about being screened by one of our guys even though there was no one in front of him
he was also the coaches son so he was never to blame and was never pressured to actually get better or take an ounce of blame. after one particularly brutal game our captain laid into him and he burst into tears right there in the dressing room
the coach then stripped the kid of the captaincy and benched him (he was also our best player by far) for 3 games
oh and we are 12-13 year old kids here
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
That’s a fine slice of Canadiana right there
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol. seriously. would make a great short story/mini series.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
being Canadian it might only last 2 seasons, unless we make it into an awkward sarcastic comedy set in the prairies.
to be a big success we’d have to switch it to football or baseball and set it in rural Ohio or something
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
he was also the coaches son so he was never to blame and was never pressured to actually get better or take an ounce of blame. after one particularly brutal game our captain laid into him and he burst into tears right there in the dressing room
Good.
the coach then stripped the kid of the captaincy and benched him (he was also our best player by far) for 3 games
oh and we are 12-13 year old kids here
Bad.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
that kid (the goalie) once tore a strip off me for a defensive laps that resulted in a terrible goal on his part, when I was on the bench, but he refused to believe that.
next game I pushed a particularly large opposing player directly on top of him in a goal mouth scrum…..by accident of course
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Of course.
The combination of shitty player in denial and coaches’ son is terrible. Terrible. In particular a self-righteous goalie.
Did play with a forward – coaches’ son – who didn’t belong at our level. Apparently he scored 50 goals every season, but no one ever saw the stat sheet. It was ridiculous.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I do agree to some extent with absolving goalies from blame. It’s a team game and so on. But a brutal goal against is a brutal goal against. And it’s like porn – you know it when you see it.
There is no need to get in a kid’s face about it. Players be making mistakes all over the ice, and it leads directly to a goal against way less frequently than when a goalies messes up.
But when there is a pattern, or worse outright denial, corrective action needs to be taken.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think our defense is fine, actually good, aside from Schnenn (and thats only because we expect more of him). Komisarek has been playing well this year (not up to his price tag but he never has in his career, played at a $4.5 level)
If you consider Schenn to be our 6th D, we have a good top4 of Phaneuf, Gunnarson, Liles and Gardiner
Of course the defense makes mistakes but every D does, we’re not actually that bad here
Gardiner being counted on as a top 4 is not good. Liles is hardly good at playing Defense. We always drool at the names on the paper. Our D does not live up to their reputations. Schenn is young, Komi is mediocre at his best, Gardiner is a baby, Liles skates fast, we don’t even really know what Franson does yet. Our D is stank at clearing the front of the net and unless we pour superglue on the puck, the rebounds will be there and we don’t tend to clear them very well. Also only 1 of our D is truly physically intimidating. Schenn and Komi still don’t really use their body to their full potentials.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
If Gardiner is a baby (if you’re talking about age), so is Schenn.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
I was talking more about experience with Jake. He’s played 14 games in the league.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
He’s counted in the top 4 because he plays as good as a top 4 defenseman. Is it bad that NJ counts Adam Larrsson in their top 4? I’m not saying Gardiner is as good, but just because a player is a rookie doesn’t mean you can’t criticize it. IMO he’s a good top 4 forward right now.
As far as Liles, sure, if he could play better defense that would be great. Every time has an offensive-minded defense in their top 4 though, and Liles is ours. Sometimes that player is Duncan Keith or Shea Weber so they’re actually your #1. Sometimes that player is Keith Yandle or Enstrom and they can put up 60 points and decent defensive play. Sometimes that player is Mike Green so you don’t give a fuck about his defense. Liles / Kaberle / Pitkanen are passing D that don’t play great defense but are good enough for a place on the top 4.
No quarrals about Komi Franson or Schenn, but still think that’s a good top 4.
I bet if we went through every time we’re better than at least 50%
We have 2 offensive guys in our top 4 and the other two guys are defensive minded and not particularly good at it. We have 2 maybe 3 lines of offensive threat. It would help greatly if our D played D that’s all I’m saying. I’m not ready to call this group good.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure who you’re calling the 2nd offensive guy
Liles clearly is,
Phaneuf can provide offense but can also play 25mins a night and generally take the puck away
Gunnarson can provide a little offense but is a two-way defender
Gardiner provided offense in college but he has yet to score in the NHL, and has modest assist totals. He doesn’t often pinch in and I’ve frequently seen him win races to the puck even in the case he was caught. He seems pretty two-way to me too
Gardiner/Liles. Gardiner is no Gunnar with his positioning. He’s not defensively sound yet. But he skates like the wind and makes great passes. That to me is an offensive D-man. He might grow into a Lidstrom but more likely he’ll be a Kabby type player.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t panic. Seems to me goaltending is the main issue. I don’t see how you can fire Wilson unless you can get him some goaltending to work with. What about Allaire? If you are going to blame a coach, what about him? He’s the one in charge of goalies. Is there a list anywhere of goalies he has coached? I’d like to compare their SV% in their first 3 NHL seasons with their career %. It might be instructive on how much we need to worry.
The rest can be explained by the normal ups and downs in a season. Schenn is still young, he can have an off game. Franson is supposed to be a professional hockey player. He should be doing what he needs to do to be ready. The offense is decent.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 10, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say fire Wilson. I said don’t extend him until Leafs make the playoffs. Seems like a pretty straightforward goal for him to achieve. If he doesn’t like his goaltending, go tell Burke to get him an upgrade.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I'm leaning towards the Firing Allaire now
If the only goalie he can help has an indefinite injury, what good is he? Training Owuya? Looks like Gus (and possibly Rynnas) is a lost cause
by GettinGiggy on Nov 10, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I.e. see if we can get a goalie coach with a more rounded repertoire
by GettinGiggy on Nov 10, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
And (at the risk of multiple self-replies)
The jury is very much out on Scrivens, wouldn’t you say?
by GettinGiggy on Nov 10, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
More rounded repertoire? Do you realize how many NHL goalies have learned from him? Hiller, Bryzgalov, Giggy, to name three. Let alone all of the ones who went to his camps in Europe…
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I’m very happy for them… why aren’t any of them playing for the leafs
… or to put it in the reverse, why aren’t any of the leaf allaire-ites playing like those guys?
by GettinGiggy on Nov 10, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Which ones? We have seen 2. Gus was an experiment that failed. Most prospects do. Scrivens has been practicing with Allaire for two training camps and half a season. That is not a lot. Thats the end of the list.
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Because it takes time and talent. This isn’t a “waive a wand – poof! you can stop pucks!” The most “allaire-ite” is out with a concussion, Owuya, Scrivens, and Rynnas are all prospects, just as Hiller, Giguere, and Bryzgalov were.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, Bryz hated Allaire and never entertained his advice and right now, it looks like Hiller was a one-hit wonder (still think he’s suffering from after shocks of the vertigo or something?). So, I guess you have Giggy.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hiller is a one hit wonder? Really?
He is number 3 in s% over the previous 4 seasons…
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He goes through a slump and all of a sudden he is bad?
Even with this slump he is 4th in save percentage over the previous 5 years. Before this season he was 3rd. Most underrated goalie in the league.
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Most underrated goalie in the league.
I don’t know about that, I’d give this guy a decent running for “most underrated”
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
He is in a weird situaion because he hasn’t had a healthy season in ANY of his NHL seasons and completely missed last season.
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He might be one of those guys who could have been great save for injuries. Too bad.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
For sure
People forget that he was Minni’s big prospect and when him and Fernandez got injured their UFA Euro goalie signing (3rd stringer) played lights out and stole both their jobs (Backstrom).
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My vote for most underrated? Right here. The essence of inconsistent, but man, if you catch him during one of his up years, you can’t hate on that kind of SVP from a backup.
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Also, Theodore might have been underrated last year but he’s looking pretty decent so far this year, so his underrated status is sort of gone.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
My vote (at least for the moment)
Would go to Mike Smith. Who the hell saw him doing well this year?
His career may be a different story, of course. (Haven’t checked.)
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??
He has never played in Phoenix before.
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Sorry his first year with the Stars. I could’ve sworn he played as a tandem with someone in Phoenix.
He’s technically Phoenix property right now, but he’s playing in the AHL.
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I was banking on the math that Allaire came over at the start of the 09-10 season, therefore, Hiller only had one season under Allaire (08-09) where he appeared in 46 games. In the season before that he played only 23 games. So I didn’t want to give Allaire credit for Hiller, but in light of further evidence, he can have Hiller also.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
He also worked with Hiller in Europe at his Europe summer camp. I can’t find who else was there and its now bugging me.
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Really? How is that?
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coached him in junior probably. I thought i remembered Luongo wanting him when he was in FLA and went and looked it up and see it mentioned in his wiki. He probably coached him in junior or through his camps.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 10, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have found vague mentionings of “preNHL”
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Allaire’s name pops up several times in the wiki entry for for Lou.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 10, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Luongo has spent enough time with Sean Burke that I’m not sure you could make that argument.
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This may just be confirmation bias, but from the games that I’ve watched, Allaire goalies appear to always drop to their knees way too early on a shot.
Didn’t the Lightning players say something about Reimer last year that was something like “he’s a typical Allaire goalie, and we know how to beat him.”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
They did and it was bullshit.
Reimer’s glove hand isn’t any worse than any other high-end goalie I’ve seen play.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
okay, yeah the whole glove hand thing, I remember now.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
That being said, Allaire’s technique teach positioning, not reacting. Glove saves are often the result of athleticism, quick reaction time, and being able to read the shot properly. Those take natural talent, not something Allaire can teach.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Patrick Roy?
Hiller isn’t one hit wonder.
Giguere was great at one point.
Reimer too early to tell.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t we agree Patrick Roy was a generational talent, and benefited from a coach who matched his natural talent? So you have Hiller and Giguere – and some prospects.
It’s not like everything Allaire touches turns to gold, but I bet 20 clubs are jealous of the Leafs that they have him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, no. No we can’t agree on that. On the idea that Roy carried Allaire? Unless you’ve got something to suggest that Allaire was along for the ride, I think there’s a much better argument to be made that Allaire helped him hone talent and positioning, as coaches do. If he wasn’t helping Roy, he’d have been fired.
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.919, .918, .924, more than 45 starts each year. What does “one hit wonder” mean to you?
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Poor wording, should have stated that he spent only one year as the [semi]starter for the ducks while Allaire was there. But if you would have read a little further, I retracted the exclusion of Hiller; Allaire can claim him.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Why is Rynnas possibly a lost cause?
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 10, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Way too early.
He’s training these young guys from scratch, and Gustavsson / Toskala apparently don’t even follow his methodology.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Its funny
Because this is becoming a common thread on the main stream sites. Does anyone realize that we wouldn’t have any of these goalies (besides Reimer) if it weren’t for Allaire? They all said that one of the primary reasons they signed with Toronto was to be coached by him…
As well you can’t blame him because Giggy was old, Toskala wouldn’t work with him and Gus (a 25 year old prospect) didn’t pan out. Why don’t you check out how the “best player not in the NHL” from the year before Gus, panned out (Brunnstrom). The bottom line is the chances of Gus panning out were mediocre at best. He didn’t… We need to accept that. We still have 3 goalie prospects who are improving and I want them to work with one of the greatest goalie coaches of all time…
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its a weird fantasy year so far. Lupal is my most valuable forward right now and the guy causing me problems is ovechkin. Too weird for words
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palindrome!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Unless you’re buddies then he’s your Lupal.
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I don’t think my mind can completely get around that. i apologize and considering how much it’s brought up I really shouldn’t be making that mistake.
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no problem, just a friendly reminder
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
it shouldn’t be friendly it should be a smack to the face. That shit has been beaten to death.
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lol you don’t have to go all Opus Dei on yourself
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Ovechkin is still basically a PPG right now but he should have more. He also isn’t hitting or shooting nearly as much as I’d like
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
urgh. tell me about it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
When you’re supposed to be in the top 3 players in the league and your center has more assists than you have points, you need to try harder…
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
he’s been on a steady decline the last few years. he looks like a shell of the player he was a few seasons ago. wtf happened?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
my guess is nagging injuries are wearing him down, nothing serious, but his body has taken a ton of punishment from the style he has played
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
yeah he played crash and bang for a bunch of seasons. A body can only take so much.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
a wonky shoulder also explains his shot totals in decline, I wouldnt be surprised if he has surgery in the next few seasons
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Crosby/Ovechkin. It was a good 5 seasons while it lasted.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
next season will be the tell, if both come back healthy who knows where it goes
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
I’m hoping they come back healthy. I like to watch them both play. It’s good for hockey.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
haha
yeah! clearly his confidence is shaken. any mistake he makes now ends up in the back of his own net, so he’s too worried about playing D now.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
I have heard that he’s been playing better defense, not sure how much truth there is to that statement though
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
I think that comment was a joke in response to my joke.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Probably, it’s the morning and I’m slow
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
he only fucks up real bad once or twice a game instead of 4-6 times
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
That’s about what I figured
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, and on the topic of players not producing, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER RYAN GETZLAF
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
tell me about it.
ive got a keeper league I started this year and my first two picks were Getzlaf & Ryan.
thanks guys.
I’d prefer Anaheim to fall apart and have us pick up scraps, but I guess that’s hoping too much.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I have Quick and Hiller as goalies and Hiller has been absolutely terrible. And Quick hasn’t been anything better since that three shutout week. Goaltending was supposed to be my strength this year….
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Until Gionta murdered our transformer like the fucking Decepticon he is.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
wait, does that mean that all the Habs midgets are the constructicons and will one day form devastator?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
In the preseason I had a look at the Nashville SBnation blog and they think he’s a future PPG player who will replace the starpower they lost in Radulov
turns out he’s basically a PPG now. In the rookie tournament he score 6 goals and 2 assists in 2 games.
I picked him up in my keeper league for those reasons and he’s one of my best players this year
I picked him up out of free agency when I saw that he had like 7 points in 8 games or something. He hasn’t stopped putting up points since
I look like a genius now but where the hell did he come from?
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
He’s a point per game rookie, they must have gotten him by drafting 1st overall.
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Trade Franson and whatever else it takes to the rangers for Biron. Please please please. Reimer has a concussion quite obviously and it’s apparently not his first. This team cannot play a shutdown game whatsoever. Run and gun requires a goalie that can bail you out sometimes and without Reimer we don’t have that. Also I hope Colby gets back soon. We have no bite without him. And Connolly, what the hell man? Start drinking more milk you fragile bastard.
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I’m still hesitant to give up on Franson yet, but I really don’t get what the Leafs are doing for him. Why play him for one game where no one plays well than scratch him again? Is it just because they want to show confidence in Schenn?
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I don’t technically either but the Rangers want a D and I don’t think we’re going to get a Biron for a Finger.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
It`s a lose lose situation with Franson. As much as the management team says that your name and contract doesn’t matter, the fact is that it does. Schenn just signed a big extension with the team and the last thing you want is to ruin the player-management/coach relationship by regularly scratching him. In the long term plans of the franchise, Schenn is more important than Franson which is why they are playing Schenn instead of him.
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by Leafswinthecup on Nov 10, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
when colby is in sometimes I’m just not that impressed. but then he goes out of the lineup and its pretty clear that he brings a very important element.
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I don’t know if the team feeds off his game or if he gives grand speeches in the room or if he loosens them up with his comedy or if his toughness actually throws the opponent off. Whatever it is we’re clearly missing it.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
yeah our records with and without him are like night and day.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
his backchecking and ability to keep it in the zone on the boards is pretty stellar. tires the other team out.
and he has a big schnozz.
The team raves about how great a guy he is and how he keeps everybody loose. I do agree he doesn’t do anything spectacular and I do often find myself wishing he had more finish. But then I look at his numbers and he was a respectable 0.46ppg last year (in an injury-shortened season). He’s definitely a higher end guy on that 3rd line.
Remember that “heavy lifter index” that he ranked pretty highly on? He is a solid defensive forward. That said, i’m not sure he faces the highest comp on the Leafs.
Also, considering how much guys cost now, his contract ain’t bad. I imagine if we are out of the picture we could get at least a 2nd rounder for him
Scriven's looks like the starter
in Steitzer’s article it looks like thats the plan. Good idea or should they have gone with Gus?
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Scrivens isn’t a total loss yet, I’d rather see him go back to the AHL and get his mojo back, but it’s not like they have a lot of options
Gus is one blow out away from being booed out of town
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. It’s too early for Scrivens. If Reimer’s injury is long term, they have to make a move or be prepared to have a terrible season that even still, may or may not be worth a lottery pick.
And Burke doesn’t like tanking.
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Yep, way too early on Scrivens. He’s light years ahead of Gus technically right off the bat. Ideally he shouldn’t be at the NHL level yet but he may succeed up here.
well we’re forcing him to succeed, given we have no choice. No pressure noob, but just singlehandedly win us some games.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Scrivens is 25. We can’t shelter him forever.
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He may be 25 but he’s only played 54 games between the ECHL/AHL/NHL. He needs a full season in the minors.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I get that, I’m just saying his “window” can’t be very long. The downside to the “free wallet” NCAA UFA approach is that if they can’t produce right away…
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No argument there. But I don’t think the Leafs are going to give up on him so quick and I’d rather see him learn from his mistakes in the minors. But definitely we can’t say “three years out” for him.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m not saying “waive Scrivens” but the next couple weeks until Reimer returns are a lot more than “oh well he’s young it’ll take time”.
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Scrivens isn’t a total loss yet but yikes.
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at this point it sucks either way. But maybe Scrivens can still find his game. But then you have the risk of mangling his confidence. I don’t even know at this point.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
But don’t you think this is basically the death blow to whatever was left of Gus’s confidence. Not starting him in favour of a goalie who let in just as much crap as he did, but in far less shots. Because Scrivens starting tonight means there is a good chance that barring a trade gus is starting Saturday with no confidence.
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Gus has a concentration problem. He has mental lapses often. I"m ready to give up on Gus completely. I don’t really care about his confidence anymore. I just don’t like that we’re forcing a kid in there to be shellacked but what choice do we have? That’s why I’m praying for a band-aid trade or this season is another waste and we once again don’t grow as a team.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
well, he’s clearly not looked great his last two games. i think most have more confidence that he’ll be able to bounce back.
for whatever reason, Gus doesn’t seem to have the mindset to be an NHL goalie.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
The one thing I hate about Gustavsson, and I mean “hate” not “he’s a bad goalie and objectively I will point out that he shouldn’t be here” is that despite him letting in constant softies whenever the D breaks down he’s breaking sticks and shouting.
Grow the fuck up.
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by Chemmy on Nov 10, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What I found very revealing were the comments made in Mirtle’s article the other day regarding what Gustavsson and Scrivens said after the loss in Florida.
“It was just one of those nights where you don’t get the bounces,” Gustavsson said. “You know everything just hits the post, deflects, bounces back and forth. Overall I felt pretty good.”
Whereas, and I don’t have the actual quote here, Scrivens said he just played the pucks poorly and needed to fix that.
Right now Gustavsson talk and demeanor remind me of Vesa Toskala’s last days with the club where he refused to own up and admit he wasn’t playing well.
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I’ve noticed that too. In a night he gets shelled and gets pulled, he’ll be throwing a tantrum while going off to the bench, yet in a postgame interview he’s already shrugged it off as a case of bad luck. What in the hell gives?
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by thenumber14 on Nov 10, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
He sucks and it’s probably pretty hard to tell the media “I’m a bad goalie”.
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goaltender’s denial is a serious issue
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it’s one thing to be self-assured and confident. It’s another to be completely and utterly willfully blind.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 10, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I think his days are finally numbered. Pure Versteeg move there. In the middle of a losing streak he was still smiling and joking. He was shipped out not long after that.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Toskala had a quote like that, as did Raycroft. We fleeced both of them for it.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Only reason I'm not fleecing Gus for it
Is because its the first time. In the past (Ithink) he has taken the blame so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt this one time.
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If you saw Gus’s face when he got pulled against Florida, you could tell he knew the gig was up. He can say what he wants to the media, I think he knows that he’s got problems.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
yeah.
it’s not a good headspace for a goalie.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t even care anymore, start a fucking scarecrow and it’ll probably stop more pucks than these guys but whatever.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
that’s a totally rational statement without an ounce of hyperbole.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
I am most definitely freaking out
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
We already tried Healy, didn’t work out very well.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Done deal: Toronto has just traded a conditional 7th round pick for Milhouse
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Wait a minute....
Doesn’t Milhouse also have a history of concussions? (ie right before this picture was taken!) Way 2 Go, Burkie! FAIL!
I've said it before and I'll say it again
the thing that makes me most angry in this whole debacle is that after Gionta knocked off Reimer, Healy says “there’s definitely embellishment from Reimer”
holy fuck.
Remember that your tax dollars go towards paying him. That makes me angrier.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
everyone acts as though the CBC should service their every whim since they’re publicly funded. i don’t get it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think Healey would be fired and replaced if he were working for TSN or SportsNet or some other private corporation? I think there’s a case to be made…
http://bluechipprospects.blogspot.com
maybe. maybe not. why would the CBC being public stop them from firing him?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
He may, but he also may stay. Ratings are what driving hirings and firings.
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Maybe not so much for a crown corporation
More of a job for life unless they say something too politically incorrect (and aren’t named Don Cherry)
Dave Hodge got fired for complaining about cutting off the end of a hockey game.
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in broadcasting it’s all about whether the producer likes you or not. if they don’t they’ll dump you for the first thing they can hold against you
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like when the canned Cuthbert for no good reason.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 10, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
He seems to be doing just fine at TSN.
The HNIC licence runs out in like two years. It’s a sinking ship over there.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
It really is painful to watch. I used to look forward to HNIC Saturdays.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
TSN does the best NHL broadcasts by far
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
They improved by 100% or more when McGuire left
by GettinGiggy on Nov 10, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Ferraro is awesome but man Mike Johnson fuckin sucks, but I was watching TSN2 last night because they had the NBC game and I wanted to listen to Maguire
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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sucks is relative when I have to listen to Kypreos and that other tool whose name escapes me (Sportsnet) or Mike Milbury (CBC)
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a little weird as a person but McGuire knows hockey and he’s enthusiastic. He also calls teams out when they’re bad and praises them when they’re good. That’s all I’m really looking for in an analyst. That and to not be a douche like Healy
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I hate TSN broadcasts because I don’t get them in HD. Rogers bundles it with crap I have zero interest in for $10 a month. Just another game being played by broadcasters.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not exactly a coincidence that Rogers is TSN’s biggest competitor. TSN probably comes up in quadrupleHD at Bell haha
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt. Just like there are 4 Sportsnet channels in HD.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I've always enjoyed Dave Hodge
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it's sad, but living in B.C. has caused me to hate the Canucks more than the Habs. almost.
by Kevin Costner on Nov 10, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that they should cater to my whims. Especially since I never e-mailed or wrote to complain. I just think Healy is a grade A buffoon and it rubs me that he’s paid out of the public purse.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
but lots of things you don’t like are paid out of the public purse. and lots of thinks you do like other people don’t. the role of public money isn’t to make 100% of people happy.
i’m just making this point because I’m now living the US and I’m constantly listening to this ‘small government’ BS rhetoric. it doesn’t make any sense.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
So just because lots of things suck that we all pay for, i shouldn’t let it anger me? Is that what you’re saying? I work for the government so I’m no proponent of cutbacks. My point is 1. Healy is a buffoon. 2. We pay for him as a collective 3. that sucks 4. it bothers me.
Insert harper/ford/clement/oda/specialinterestgroups etc in there and same thing. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to groan about it.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
i think it’s perfectly fine to groan about. i’m just not sure that the fact that he works for the CBC should come into the equation. he’d be awful no matter what station he was on, and whether or not like $0.07 of your taxes paid for his salary.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Solution would be having people sitting behind healy with signs illustrating his medical knowledge. Nothing profane but enough to get the point across. And I know we’re just the group for it.
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by torleafsfan29 on Nov 10, 2011 9:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it’s more that Healy sucks.
According to us at least.
I saw a poll today that says that Toronto is Canada’s most hated city (at 17% or something). This shouldn’t surprise anyone obviously. But could it be that Healy is popular outside of the Toronto fanbase? Or does everyone else dislike him as much as we do?
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
I just saw that too, are you watching BT as well?
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I saw it online somewhere. Can’t remember where though.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t get it or don’t agree? Its a pretty simple concept… Its a silly attitude, but not really confusing.
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i understand the desire to feel that way, but if you think about it it becomes really absurd very quickly.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve had this debate on here before. The reason the whole “public funding thing” doesn’t work as a complaint about CBC is that HNIC is probably the one part of the network (and maybe the news) that turns a (big) profit, which offsets the losses of the other programming. The tax dollars are getting sunk into high-quality CBC original series (though I’m going to watch the hell out of Gerry D’s new show).
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I thought I read somewhere that HNIC supports itself from advertising revenue.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 10, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yep. The same way the Coyotes support themselves through ticket and merchandise sales.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
ugh, not even close as Shield mentions below.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 10, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
oops, sorry. I misread your original comment. I thought you were referring to CBC in general, not HNIC.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah exactly, they are one of the few programs on CBC that turns a profit on its own (i.e. its ad revenue outweighs its cost to produce). Therefore, your tax dollars aren’t really paying for it, like they are for the rest of CBCs programming.
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by Arenacale on Nov 10, 2011 8:33 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
it was pretty goddamn hilarious. i seriously wanted it to just go on forever.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
I was waiting for the flyers to all go behind their net and just charge out with a flying V
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I wanted them to do the Soviet warmup (did I see this in a movie) where they just skated in circles around their own net.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
I loved that clip. Loved it.
Every team should start games against the Lightning like that.
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I think Leafs fans would even allow it at home. they’re a savvy bunch.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
if they would have started circling that would have been epic
Glenn Healy..go fuck yourself.
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by Future_considerations on Nov 10, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
TSN had some good video of it online.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
holy shit, I just watched it. what an embarrassment. that exciting 2-1 win is certainly going to get a lot of floridians hooked on hockey.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
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yeah they really stuck around after the Cups stopped coming in.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
yeah they haven’t been in the bottom 1/4 of attendance for the past decade.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, just saw it too
Never seen anything like that. I hate the freaking trap so much but Philadelphia needs to move that puck
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I just watched the highlights,
holy crap that’s rediculous
by Ben Schnell on Nov 10, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I give Philly credit. it’s stupid for both teams, but someone had to show everyone how idiotic TB really is.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t call tampa’s play idiotic, I would call it effective
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
it’s the equivalent of people who backcheck during shinny.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
except for the real life consequences such as winning pro sports games for a sun belt team who needs wins to pack the stands sure
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
but like backchckers in shinny, they’re ruining it for the rest of us.
but we can’t take our puck and go home.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t really mind people who back check in shinny, makes me work harder and increases my workout, plus it is way more fun to score when you have to fight someone off
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t mind the body positioning, I hate guys who will reach out with their stick at the last second.
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Bettman needs to say something. Not necessarily a public statement but call up Tampa and Philly and tell them to get their shit together
On a happier note, that ridiculous trap game got Roloson, and my fantasy team by extension, pretty decent stats
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
hey! stop doing that thing that helps your team win! you will no longer play smart zone hockey or else!
sorry, but that is stupid
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
No, not what I meant
Just tell them to keep the puck moving or face some sort of mild discipline or some shit, the trap and stall thing was bullshit
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
it was one game, the reason it was such a big deal all of a sudden is that it happens so very rarely, there isn’t even another NHL comparison that people could bring up, just QMJHL and international play examples
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I know. I’m not saying that Bettman should kick in the doors and threaten to murder everyone if they keep playing the trap. I just think he should say something.
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
no, he shouldn’t, like i said, one game. ONE GAME
if they do this every game for the next month? sure, then say something
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, let’s have a month of staring contests before saying somethihg, sounds like a solid plan
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
yup, because that would show a pattern, and that there was an actual long term problem that could impact the NHL on a large scale
one game means fuck all for something like this
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure the Flyers are going to do that every time they face the lightning:
Oh, and because i was waiting for it, the Pronger Quote:
That’s not hockey in my book, but whatever. The league’s letting them do it. Would you pay money to watch that? I wouldn’t either. That was a TV game, too. Way to showcase the product.
Chris Pronger is awesome.
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by Ubiquitous on Nov 10, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he’s such a giant dick.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
fuck off, if he thought it was that big a deal he would have played that way against the devils in the 90s-00s
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much
I get that the point of the trap is to win games and it’s effective. But it’s also boring as fuck.
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Bisonnette’s tweet was even better
Tampa Bay Lightning are chipping away at our escrow 1-3-1 at a time
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I now expect the Flyers to never go into a defensive shell when the have the lead late in a game in the playoffs or season.
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I’m not sure how you can pin TB as the villains, when Phili was the puck carrier refusing to attack. They look like cowards, not heroes. “Oh no, we might turn the puck over! We’re only going to try and score a goal when we can get one of their forwards behind us!” They should’ve gotten a delay of game penalty for that stunt.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know about this. It’s not as if simply having the puck gives you the right to attack. In chess, you only attack if you have a positionally justified reason to attack. Otherwise, you are needlessly endangering your own position. In chess, both sides often mark time until one side makes a mistake. If no mistake occurs, the game generally ends in a draw.
The Flyers saw that there wasn’t much to be gained by charging through a clogged neutral-zone; in fact, a likely scenario is to have the puck turned over and an odd-man rush against. The Lightning are daring the Flyers to take a risk. The Flyers refused. Neither side is at fault, except for making a dull game.
There’s an old expression: nothing ventured, nothing gained. It works for both teams.
In chess, you only attack if you have a positionally justified reason to attack.
I hear you, but chess and hockey are completely different beasts
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I thought we were trying to make hockey less like chess. The 1-3-1 can and has been beaten, but Phili elected not to. Tampa did what they thought would give them the best chance to put the puck in the opposition net – play defense until you force a turnover. The Flyers…stood around. You can say they were waiting for a forechecker, but then, it’s their fault that the entire audience was just waiting for something to happen.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe the Flyers were doing what they thought was best to keep the puck out of their own net?
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never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
Yay chess matches for everyone. 0-0 draws. Love for life.
Conversely, when TB has the puck. Philly could go into a defensive shell.
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-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
they interviewed Laviolette during one of the stoppage of plays and his explanation was.. “we have a set breakout were we wait for the forecheck to proceed, they weren’t forechecking so we can’t run our breakout as there was no pressue”.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 10, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
My mind is starting to get blown
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-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I saw that – beautiful little spin on it, isn’t it? But there’s no requirement or expectation that there has to be forechecking. (And if that’s all it takes to shut down Phili’s breakout, well, they deserve to lose.)
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
you want to fine teams for playing within the rules?
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Standing with the puck in a faceoff circle in the defensive zone isn’t what I’d call playing
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
it’s legal. If tampa wants the puck tampa can go get it. I don’t see a problem with it.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
the onus is on the Offence by the definition of the word. You have the puck on 5v5 in a tie game? you are on offence. Tampa is on defence and they were playing it to a T
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
if they circle the puck though isn’t it like they’re trying to break out but then can’t?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I am all for a side show like that, but only if they are actually trying to break out
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
It's a one game thing
And I know I’m overreacting but I hate the trap so much. I don’t want to see this happen again is all.
Besides that I’ve already said that Philly needs to move the puck
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 10, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just really disappointed the commentators didn’t think to say:
“Coburn, back to Timmonen, back to Coburn, back to Timmonen, Timmonen holds it, holds it, HOLDS IT!”
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I suggested they pass back and forth between defensemen and have the forwards skate around in circles, because then its perfectly legal.
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they started doing that, then Marty St louis started probing ahead looking to intercept the pass, but Coburn just held on to the puck and stood stationary then
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
he wasn’t probing ahead he was fake probing. “i’m gonna come and get it…fall off….i’m gonna come and get it…fall off.”
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
he’d go ahead, and the Flyers wouldnt pass, he’d skate back and give them an opening, they’d prep a pass, he’d go ahead again, they’d hold the puck, and finally they just stopped attempting to pass
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
unsportsmanlike conduct pretty much covers it. If I were the, ref after that 1 minute of bullshit I call both teams on unsportsmanlike and make them play 4 on 4. It easily falls within ref’s discretion.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Delay of game?
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
That too, but I feel an unsportsmanlike is more shameful. If you read the rule, it’s realy broad. Refs can penalize anythign that degrades the game. That whole segment I watched early on degraded the game.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
i think it is stupid
i could imagine a situation where every team adopts that same strategy to compete. then we have hockey completely devoid of forechcking.
actually now that I say that I’m realizing I sound like Mike Millbury.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
you didn’t mention visors and how they’d change the game completely. So no you don’t.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
completely disagree. the league has done all sorts of things to make the game more entertaining for fans, playing a shitty trap is the antithesis of entertainment.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
so is holding the puck behind your own blueline and not attacking, why does tampa get all the blame? Teams have been successfully beating the trap for 10 years now, and they are arguably one of the fastest, most physical and most talented teams in the NHL.
While tampa refused to play entertaining hockey, the Flyers flat out refused to play hockey
fuck the flyers
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I just watched the highlights. It’s worse then I thought. They literally just stood there. Ref should have called a delay of game on that.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
pretty much, if Philly had been moving the puck and trying to generate an opening to attack I would be more sympathetic to their cause, but that shit show? fuck them
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I mean, it is still hilarious that they did that and all, but it takes all the ‘blame’ directly off the shoulders of the Lightening for me
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
they’re both to blame. The Lightning strategy meant the Flyers COULD hold the puck all they wanted, and the flyers never took a chance with it. I call bullshit on both of them, but to be honest I hate the trap and I think it’s bullshit, bullshit hockey. Had to say it twice.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
agree to disagree. i know it’s ‘effective’ and can help teams win, but I watch hockey primarily to be entertained. trap-hockey isn’t entertaining.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
I will go on record and say I would prefer if no team played the trap, but I won’t hold it against a weak defensive team to use it to win, especially when they have a high octane offense like Tampa and are often responsible for some of the most entertaining hockey I have ever seen
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
so basically, the Leafs should be using a 1-3-1 trap.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be all for it if it meant wins, the Leafs speed and rush scoring capability would be dynamite on the counter attack
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Probably the ideal system for the Leafs. Turnovers, plays off the rush, poor goaltending.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
somebody get Ron Wilson on the phone
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
hahah fair enough.
“Hey Ronnie, 1-3-1 bud.”
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
hahahaha…that’s hilarious. Would be awesome. Do it. If I had time for twitter I would. Honest to god.
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
done.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Link me up Matty…I hope you used “bud.” Exactly as you said it here.
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
damn, i didnt use bud lol
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yes! “Hey Ronnie”…like its coffee chat.
Than the qualifier – “although im sure you’d probably rather pull your hair out then play 1-3-1”
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
That being said I don’t want 1-3-1 / Trap / whatever it’s called.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
told him that if all else fails, go for the 0-4-1
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
God ol’ Italian soccer style
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Whats funny is, they won the World Cup in 06 when they stopped playing pure counter attack
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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True…Luca Tonni and Totti up front?
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck Toni. Piece of shit. It was all Andrea Pirlo setting it up in the middle.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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It was. You took the words out of my mouth. One of my favourite players. So underrated.
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Also, successful Italian teams usually have the equivalent of “elite offensive defensemen” on the team as well.
grosso in 06. Dude was fuckin money.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Completely random question
Did you always watch soccer growing up or get more into it in the last 10 years or so?
I only ask because most of my Canadian-born friends who are now pretty into soccer (as a fan not as a player) got into it in their late teens/early 20s.
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Played in leagues for a few years when I was like 7. Growing up soccer was always on TV on Sunday mornings in the fall/winter. So I grew up with it
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My earliest soccer experience was the 94 World Cup. Robert Baggio was my hero (other than Dougie). I went to school with a bunch of Portuguese kids, who razzed the bejesus out of me after the final. What was especially bad for me was the constant mocking of Baggio (who fucking draqgged that team to the final, btw).
So, yeah, I earned my right to cheer.
Not knocking you (or my friends who got into it later on) at all. Just curious. In areas like the GTA watching soccer has gotten much more common in the last decade or so. Its cool to see. Personally I am not a huge soccer fan but I do enjoy playing it.
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Sorry, the hostility in that post wasn’t directed towards you.
In some ways I guess I am a bandwagon soccer fan, as I only closely follow the national team (I come and go with the leagues). But the reason for that is because the Italian National Team really is the only team my heart bleeds for (other than the Leafs).
And one more thing. When I hear Italian guys in the GTA talk shit about Baggio (usually for missing that penalty shot) I want break their stupid fucking testa di cazzo figlia di troia kneecaps
I like you. SO much anger.
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If it helped the Leafs win games I’m sure we’d all take a break from celebrating them to discuss how boring it was.
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Obviously I prefer winning over all else, however we can do it.
But if I had a say in how we won? I’d rather stay awake during games. Regardless of how poorly it’s executed I prefer the offensive style the Leafs have.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I wrote an FTB about this very same topic around this time last year.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I remember that. Kind of agree. Knew it would never happen. Burke plays entertaining hockey.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
The Leafs can play the flying V for all I give a shit. If it leads to fewer goals against and more wins, I don’t care.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 10, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I’d prefer they just properly execute their own style, and get some defense and goaltending along the way. But that seems to be asking a lot.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
right?
clean passes.
solid zone D.
Decent goaltending.
how is this too much to ask?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
But you can’t look at it in isolation. Technically every team could adopt the 1-3-1, and that would be horrible for hockey.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
oh for sure. i loved the player exchanges while Philly was holding the puck. guys were literally just walking over to the bench.
I’ve seen plays that were more interesting. honest to God plays!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
literally walking to the bench? man they took their skates off and walked? that’s a serious problem.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
The fans weren’t boo’ing when Phili was attacking – they were boo’ing when Phili refused to attack. When the offensive team isn’t actively trying to score a goal, they aren’t playing hockey. They’re just standing around on skates.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
and when TB refuses to pressure Philly at all, I’d be booing that at the same time/ You’re supposed to compete, not just fucking wait around.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Playing defense is competing. Standing in your own zone waiting for the defense to change its mind is not competing. You play the opponent and their strategy. If Philli was actually pulling a forechecker in, I’d be fine with it. But when you’re standing around not doing anything for 2 minutes of game play, you’re just trying to make a point.
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So it’s okay to be passive on defense but not offense? I think the onus is on the Lightning. Coburn didn’t pick up the puck in his glove, it was sitting on the ice infront of his stick. If St.Louis wanted the puck (which as a 1st line forward, your duty is to score), he should have went after it.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I’m not saying Philly is blameless, I’d be booing both of them. The onus is on both teams to play the game. Waiting in the neutral zone and not even sending in a guy to pressure is not playing, nor is passing the puck around in your zone. Philly proved a point, though.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
It’s really grey because Philly could claim that it was all part of a strategy to eventually lull the Lightning to sleep and then score. Last I checked, there is no shot clock in hockey.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Last I checked, there is no shot clock in hockey.
But there is a delay of game penalty.
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Sure, but the puck is on the ice, fair game for both teams. Who do you call the penalty on?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
As I said above (or below, i cant remember), I call both teams on unsportsmanlike, make it 4 on 4. I tell them the next time I pick one guy from one team, whoever I think is wasting time more, for delay of game if it happens again.
I’m all for ref’s discretion, I hope they use it as often as necessary. This was one of the opportunities.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Easy. The team that’s circumventing the spirit of the “keep the puck moving” rule by skating in circles.
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So it’s okay to be passive on defense but not offense?
The defense wants to get the puck. If they can do it in a way that’s better than forechecking, why shouldn’t they? Why should they be required to put a man behind the play? This seems more reasonable than saying that the Flyers need to try and score goals to win the game?
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But you can flip that right around: the offence has the puck and wants to keep the puck. If the best way to keep position is to not skate/pass through a completely clogged neutral zone, why shouldn’t they? Why should they be required to rush headlong into a wall?
Late in the game, final minutes, one team down by a goal, the Tampa-Philly thing would never happen, obviously. There’s an incentive to go for the attack. At 0-0, though, where you are guaranteed a point if nothing changes, why change? I think this is the real problem.
Because they have an end goal beyond “keep the puck”: score a goal. For the defense, the end goal is “get the puck,” because once they do, they’re on offense.
Further, there’s nothing saying that you need to try and carry through five guys. There are strategies that let you get the puck in deep and gain the zone.
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While tampa refused to play entertaining hockey, the Flyers flat out refused to play hockey
Have to agree, that sums it up best.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
they refused to play because of Tampa’s shitty trap.
and maybe I’m missing something, but what was preventing Tampa from forechecking?
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
Nothing which is why some people are upset with Tampa on that play.
It wasn’t 1-3-1, there was no forechecker at all.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
it’s 1-3-1 but it’s all neutral zone. the ‘1’ isn’t really checking at all.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
exactly, at least make Philly fucking move the puck.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
someone
actually made a good comment on TSN last night. their idea was if someone sets the 1-3-1 trap (or any other zone trap), icing should be negated.
i think this would be a great idea.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
That could work…I’m just worried about trying to prevent zone type defenses like basketball does.
It could work though. The ref would have to identify the other team has set up a trap system and the attacking team is not allowed to ice the puck.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
How about making the icing line the defensive blue line instead of the centre line?
by Bobby Paradise on Nov 10, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Whoa
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
That would kill the game as soon as any team has a lead. Cross blueline, ice puck
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I understand where you’re coming from, for sure. Can’t stand trap hockey much, unless it’s my team employing it.
Nothing prevented Tampa from forechecking. St. Louis stood at the blueline. It was a lame forecheck.
But they were on defense. Philly has the puck – they are on offense. They have the responsibility to attack, and Tampa to defend. This was their defensive strategy. They don’t need to chase the puck carrier. Philly does need to move the puck, or they are delaying the game.
It’s like a goalie who freezes a puck, with no opposing players around. You’re holding up the play.
Standing still with the puck on your stick is more frustrating, to me, than a non-existent forecheck.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think you’re on ‘offence’ or ‘defence’ in hockey like you are in football or basketball or baseball. Hockey should be fluid.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
It is fluid. Much more fluid than those sports. But, the team with clear possession in on offence. That’s the point too isn’t it? Is the NHL going to outlaw defensive schemes, like basketball?
I found it pretty funny. I actually had a good laugh that Philly pulled this off in TB, in front of the home crowd, and the Philly players berated TB from the bench for not forechecking. I’m glad the defensive scheme was exposed as lame defensive hockey. Seemed like a Pronger-Laviolette brainchild to me.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa Bay was 25th in GA/G going in to last night. They’re 8th in the conference. Their shitty trap isn’t some god mode – it can and has been beaten quite regularly, and not by teams who sat in their own zone. The Flyers couldn’t be bothered to dump and chase, the same way the Penguins or the Bruins did in the playoffs, and the same way Tampa’s seven other losses or OTLs have come.
Tampa isn’t required to forecheck, but the essence of hockey is that the offensive team is driving towards the net. Refusing to be an offensive offense is delay of game. Fuck the Flyers, and the horse they didn’t get on.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
But not by the Flyers, which is the problem.
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Right. It just reeks to me of “wah, we’re being sore losers.” Tampa isn’t exploiting any loop hole. They aren’t using the rules – or even the ice surface – to an unfair advantage. They scared the Flyers out of attacking when they had the puck, and that anyone should blame Tampa for sitting back and…defending…is ridiculous.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Tampa’s missing Hedman, Ohlund and another regular on D.
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“wah, their defense is too good. it’s dumb!”
-Laviolette.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly I agree. It’s kind of refreshing to see someone stand up to the trap
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that’s like saying the kid who keeps getting struck out by a pitcher who keeps throwing curveballs that he cant hit, then takes the game ball and goes home is standing up for himself, when in reality he is being a whiny tool
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
but curveballs are in the spirit of the game. a more fair comparison might be intentionally walking the first three hitters every time they’re up to get to the easier outs. sure it’s legal, but it’s not in the spirit of the game.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
eh, point stands
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Playing defense isn’t in the spirit of the game?
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Good point. Even then – who would load the bases, just to get to the lower percentage batters, right? It’s not air tight, just like 1-3-1 isn’t.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
well you might do it in some situations, but to do it in a 0-0 game at the top of the first?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Would be batshit crazy
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
that isn’t within the rules
I’m trying to figure out what philly did that was not within the rules. I’m not even against the trap, but if we don’t punish teams for defensive schemes, why should teams be punished for offensive schemes?
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no one should be punished, both actions were plenty legal, and in my personal opinion, hilarious. it is just that if either team is to blame, it is the Flyers
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
You have the puck, you attack.
You don’t have the puck, you defend.
You don’t have the puck, you have to attack to retrieve the puck (foreccheck).
Which seems to make the least sense?
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
you need to score? get the puck and try to score
you need to stop goals? defend the shit out of your zone
everything else is grey
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
This is HOCKEY!
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
to me this was philly’s way of playing defense. They know that if they try to break the trap they might get caught red handed in transition and put their $51M, .895 goalie in a bad position
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the flyers are the best offensive team in the NHL, the Bolts are the 23rd or something defensive team in the NHL.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
sure, but the flyers aren’t great defensively either (worse than tbay)
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right, but they had the puck, were not on the penalty kill and were not protecting a lead
tampa was trying to prevent the flyers from breaking into their defensive zone
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Are you nuts?
Haven’t you been listening to the commentators? Edmonton with their workman-style hockey is the best offensively and defensively in the entire league. Fuck Philly.
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Yeah, if Tampa’s boring strategy is to not forecheck I’m not sure why people think Philly should be obligated to walk into their trap, so to say.
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I would love to see Philly players come and surround the puck carrier and head up ice Hanson Bros style right through their trap.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Because their opting to just sit around is delaying the game. And because the 1-3-1 can be beaten pretty easily unless you’re electing to make some kind of point out of their system.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
And boy is there a lot of egg on Tampa’s face today, what with their holding Philly to only 15 shots on net and winning the game 2-1.
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The effectiveness of it isn’t what’s in question. It’s just shitty to watch.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
And personally I don’t think Philly trying to ruin their boring plan with a boring plan is wrong.
Turnabout is fair play and all that.
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Everyone seems to be blaming the Bolts for what happened
But any game plan that gets Mike Milbury to walk off the set for any period of time is just fine by me
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LOL
did he really?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Marlene Reimer remembers James’s first concussion vividly. It came in a midget-AAA game, a collision that left James, about 16 years old, lying prone on the ice as a long silence fell over an arena. On that day Marlene, unhappy with the care her son appeared to be receiving, burst onto the ice to help.
"I thought, ‘That’s my boy lying out there,’" she said. "I figured, ‘If there’s no action, I’m definitely going to make sure we get some action.’ I know when all was said and done he said, ‘Mom, don’t you ever do that again.’ I said, ‘Well, then, make sure your trainers look after you. Because mom’s coming if they don’t.’"
That’s sweet
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yeah
it is. but I would have been pissed if I were Reimer.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously. That’s embarrassing. But if she’s so gung ho about it, someone get her to elbow Gionta.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh that would be amazing. I would love that.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be more pissed that MSM is now hunting down his mother for a story.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Sid’s been home and reporters have tried to get a story out of locals there but apparently they are following time tested ghetto rules and remaining silent. I applaud them for it
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Crosby’s parents have been dealing with the media since he was 5 years old. Before last year, nobody even knew where Warwena was.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I dont know Warwena is.
I know where Morweena is tho
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Whoops
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah…embarrassing for sure. But as a new parent, understandable.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Scary that Reimer has had several concussions and that this is a problem he’s faced before. Also don’t like that rumour that he was hit in the head in practice trying to get back after Gionta’s hit.
by scott tubbesing on Nov 10, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
where did you hear this rumor?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Actually I Heard Kyper repeat this rumor on 590 during my 5 minute drive to the GO station this AM.
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by thenumber14 on Nov 10, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah it was Kyper on 590, said he’s been told Reimer was hit again in practice.
by scott tubbesing on Nov 10, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I just think it’s scary that no one has seen or heard from Reimer since his injury. I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I’m pretty sure he actually died after that hit from Gionta, and he’s dead.
He talked to the media but recently the Leafs have been barred from talking to him (another encouraging sign)
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My little sister took the Platinum ticket that I had to turn down a couple of weeks ago (the Penguins game Halloween weekend) and ended up meeting Reimer after the game. She got a few good pics with him actually, she’s wearing her mermaid costume in them.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
And I’m sure she didn’t get in the trainers’ way at all, and that no manpower was spent getting Reimer some space.
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by Bower Power on Nov 10, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Reading the article: James Reimer’s mom is a mom who loves her son but has no more information than reporters, TSN or us. He’s day to day with “whiplash” and this isn’t some big change in his status.
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This entire article is essentially a needless fluff piece that tries to pass itself off as being actual journalism.
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Just going to say – it’s a fluff piece. Does nothing but warm the cockles.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t a history of concussions new news?
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by A Lindros Jaw on Nov 10, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. I knew this was at least his 3rd
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I didn’t
I also didn’t know he’s having headaches.
I also didn’t know it makes you scum to call people’s mothers and ask their consent for an interview.
I don’t know why you guys are spazzing over this so much.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody’s outraged about something every day here. PPP is the Drama Club of SBNation.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
True enough.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
We’re also the Meme Club and Charts Club.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 10, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
she did say he has ‘bad days’ which is more information than we’ve gotten out of the Leafs, and strongly points to a concussion, not whiplash.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
So do the headaches.
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Yeah, that’s mostly why I linked it. The good/bad days + headaches might be new? I can’t remember anyone actually saying that. I think all we’d been told until now was ‘concussion-like symptoms’.
The other aspect of this that I find somewhat interesting is that not even his mother knows what’s going on. I don’t mean to suggest that the team should tell her as soon as they know something (it’d be against patient confidentiality anyway), but it’s strange to think that someone so close to Reimer also has no idea what’s going on.
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Best I can come up with:
Intermittent symptoms.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Rim shot!
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I also jumped on the ’let’s throw Jonas off the bandwagon’ bandwagon
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by Five Minutes For Fighting on Nov 10, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions
Fantasy question
one of my leagues is a 1 year points only league (with 2 pts for a W and +1 for SO). you also have to have a rookie.
I have:
Eric Staal, Thomas Vanek, Nicklas Backstrom, Jason Pomminville,
Sean Couturier
Shea Weber, Zdeno Chara
Pekka Rinne
no goalies to speak of and I wouldn’t drop Rinne,
should I dump either D for P.K. Subban?
and the real question is, I’m thinking of dropping Pomminville cuz I don’t see his scoring sustainable, FA has Heatley, Carter (IR), Selanne, Roy
opinions?
I wouldn't switch either D for Subban, even with MTL-hate blinders off.
I might dump Pomminville for Heatley. He’s still on about a ~30 goal pace and is shooting 10% (career 15% shooter), playing 21 mins a night, often with M Koivu.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
thanks, my opinion was that a drop for subban might be a wash, so might as well go for the proven commodity. just wanted to be sure.
Goals are worth the same as assists, so if you think from now on he’ll have more points than pommi I’ll do it,
there are also only 4 moves left so far this season so i’ll have to make it count
by Ben Schnell on Nov 10, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
It's hard to tell, but Pominville is playing a much better pace than he ever has before
He won’t necessarily slow down but he’s never produced like this before in his history. That being said, BUF has a stronger offensive Top 6/9 than Minnesota by far.
Pominville on pace for 105 points but he’s been a 60 point player for almost entire career
Heatley on pace for 58 points, but he’s mostly been an 80 point guy
Could also look at PDO for fun:
Pominville has a 1053 (5on5)
Heatley a 1037 (5on5)
Seems like a tossup. I don’t know if i’d pull the trigger.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Pominville has one 80 point season and Heatley had 64 points last year.
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I know, but
Heatley has had 2 60 point season (rookie and last year), and 1 year with only 25 points in 31 games. Every other year has been 70+ (89,103,105,82,72,82). Career ppg of 1.02
Pomminville has had 1 season of 80 points 4 years ago, and other years has had 68,66,62,52. Career ppg of 0.79.
If it’s factoring in current conditioning/linemates, go with the hot hand I guess, but Heatley is clearly a better player overall. The age difference and team/linemate differences obviously have a large effect here.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
I just remember people discussing that they were expecting Heatley to slow down around last year because he didn’t care much about conditoining through his career. Could have been stupid commentators though…
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Ya I have 0 insight to qualitative issues like conditioning, etc. Who knows how the trade to Min affected him too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Thomas Vanek really is that good.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Just double checked, these players are also available:
Backes, Briere, Gaborik, Clowe, Couture, Stewart, Krejci, Statsny, Grabovski, Cammalleri, Hall
These D are available:
Yandle, Streit, Goligovski, Enstrom (IR)
by Ben Schnell on Nov 10, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
How many teams are in this league?
Keep an eye on Gaborik.
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Clowe is doing well too.
Stastny hasn’t been spectacular but not awful either.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Common Thread
I’ve never been a huge fan of Ron Wilson…but not his biggest detractor either. But I do think that there is a common thread in terms of what ails the Leafs….and it’s Ron Wilson’s coaching style. It’s possible he’s been able to help elevate Kessel and Phaneuf’s game…Perhaps we can credit him with that (perhaps). But:
1. He has generally done a terrible job building up confidence in players (see what he’s done with Gustavsson).
2. Defensive Scheme’s have historically been awful. Even weak teams (perhaps especially weak teams) need a better overall defensive scheme (we can’t have “solid defensive players on paper that suck on the ice” year after year….something else is wrong).
3. Special teams….similar to #2….We may not have the talent that others like Detroit, Boston or Pittsburgh have but….over 3-4 years and numerous player changes, you’d have to think there would be some improvement in this area.
We are still 9-5-1….pretty good. And only 1, 2-game losing skid. Not bad. If the team can avoid the long losing streaks that killed them in the past, perhaps they’ll be ok…..But if we see another 5-8 gamer…..Time for Ronnie to go.
3. Special Teams
I still believe you can teach any idiot with a hockey stick to kill a penalty. The PP arguably has to rely on guys with some modicum of talent, but I think under the right coach, even Andy “AYSM” Wozniewski could have killed a penalty with some efficiency.
…ok well maybe not Wozniewski, but you get the point.
but but…he’s on twitter!
In terms of defensive schemes, My new rag is on Rob Zettler. I mean, come on, we can’t have 3 d men who are notorious hitters all think standing in a lane and not playing the man in front of the net whaking at your goalie is a good idea. Someone must be telling them to utilize that strategy. It happens WAY too often for it to be unintentional.
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by thenumber14 on Nov 10, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. Talked about this in yesterday’s thread. This guy was never a good dman himself, and doesn’t appear to have the intelligence to properly coach a defensive system. Actually, if you compare them, several of the Leafs dmen resemble exactly what Zettler was during his time as a Leaf. A lanky 4th-6th defeseman with no offense to his game.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
This guy was never a good dman himself
Skill as a player shouldn’t be a measuring stick on how good a coach they’ll be
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Could not agree more.
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Wayne Gretzky is a perfect example
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Followed it up with “intelligence to coach a… system”. This may be just my perception, but Zettler seems like a meathead to me. I don’t think he is capable of coaching at the NHL level.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
How are you an authority on who is capable of coaching at the NHL level? He did a fine job in San Jose.
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This may be just my perception
But, he’s done a crappy job in TO. So, which is more telling of his abilities. It’s not like he’s had crap to work with during his time here. I’m always hearing the “on paper, Leafs D is great” line. My original opinion stands, it’s what I BELIEVE to be the truth.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’m still not entirely sold that a lot of the problems aren’t with the players themselves, rather than the coaching or the system. I think leafer a while back said something like “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink” and I think that’s probably true to a large extent.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 10, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I went back and looked at some of the Sharks D during Zettler’s tenure there and was surprised that they had good stats. But that blueline contained names like Erhoff, Hannan (in his prime), etc. etc. I guess it’s just frustrating that we keep hearing “on paper, this is the best blueline we’ve had in years” yet, they’re still putting up the same crappy numbers.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, on the flipside, I’m also not convinced that it’s not the coaching or system. I don’t know where the crux of the problem lies.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Calgary just waived Hagman.
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I still think they won the Phaneuf deal.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Claim him, put him in net
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 10, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is the best. Calgary will take a decade to fix the damage that was done in just a few seasons.
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Sure Sutter did the brunt of the damage
but Feaster isn’t exactly lighting the world afire with his changes either.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
What the hell can that man do? NMC, NTC team has the worst prospect pool. Team is toast. They only way they bounce back is with good drafting and by maybe trading Iggy.
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He’s given out more NTCs/NMCs. Has done nothing to try to find a backup. And has done very little to try to rejuvenate the team.
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My bad, didn’t realize he had given out the more recent contracts. He did make “apparently” a strong run at Richards in the off season but your right. Though it is very difficult to draw talent to Calgary in their current state.
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He did get rid of Kotalik. At the expense of Reghyr and a 2nd round pick.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
He’s done some. Signed Giordano to an okay contract. I liked signing Tanguay last year (not as much this year because of the age of their team). I like the Jokinen signing and the cheap D he brought in this year were pretty good.
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Liked the Giordano contract, thought Tanguay was too much for too old.
I laughed at the Jokinen signing. Hannan was probably a good grab. Couldn’t believe he stayed out there that long.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jokinen was re-signed by Sutter I thought.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 10, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
He was traded to NYR by Sutter but I thought he was fired before the re-signing.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sutter was fired/stepped down dec 2010, Jokinen was signed in the summer of 2010. Both Tanguay and Jokinen were Sutter signings.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 10, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Heh
Look at that. I don’t even like the second Tanguay signing. It was a “keep Iggy going” signing. The first cheap signing was great. The second one just showed they don’t understand twhere there team is.
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The Jokinen contract was hilarious because of context but definitely not a bad price for a 20ish goal 55ish point center.
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The context is definitely the funny part. In isolation it's not a bad price at all.
Hey, this player wasn’t working in our organization, we should trade him.
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Hey! Jokinen is available! Let’s sign him!
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree fully
I laughed my ass off. It wasn’t until the end of the summer that I realized it was a good price.
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They still have several useful pieces they could use to blow up the team with and get a great jump start on the rebuild. Won’t happen cause they still think they are a playoff team. I’m sure people would waive
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
He was so much better here than there…
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he was pretty good here. our best F if I recall correctly.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 10, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
are they waiving him to send him down or just to see if someone will pick him up. Believe they’ve done this last year for him, waived him but didn’t actually send him down.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 10, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Just looked at Calgary’s page on Cap Geek and they have ELEVEN players with some form of NMC or NTC. To give some perspective, Carolina, Colorado, Columbus, Edmonton, LA and the Islanders have a combined 12 NMCs or NTCs. The next closest team is Vancouver with 9, and PIttsburgh and Tampa each have 7.
One of those teams is not like the others.
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by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
I bet he wishes he didn’t have one now
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Why? He can waive it at any time
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
No point in waiving it if no one wants you.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
The trading team also assumes more risk. What if they pick him up and it doesn’t work out? He will still have a NTC
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
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Halak starts for Blues tonight.
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I was kind of looking forward to a Kessel-Elliott reunion.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Halak has been brutal lately, hopefully that will help.
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Except for his shutout, but ya.
Stupid fantasy hockey. Every year STL tricks me into thinking they have the talent to be good.
#FreeBerglund
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Fear not. Hitch will have them playing the trap by tonight’s game.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 10, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Berglund was my realistic want this summer.
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He was one of my unrealistic wants along with Anisimov, Krejci, and Stastny
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Berglund, Anisimov/Stepan/Dubinsky (if Richards signed there, which he did), were a little more realistic than my want of: Stastny and Kopitar
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Well we did get Connolly…..and he is good for the 25-40 games he will play for us……. We really need Colbourne to be our answer. The FA market scares me.
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Fucking Connolly.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
no kidding, I have Stewart, Berglund and Halak in my pool.
#freeberglund indeed
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 10, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
As widely speculated
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#Leafs Scrivens first off in StLouis
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I don’t think Wilson is a big Gustavsson right now… could be a LONG while before he starts — maybe 19th/20th? Even if Scrivens sucks, he has potential to get better with playing time (or – hopefully not – psychologically harmed?)
This is exactly why we need a Nabokov like goalie. We can[[COMMENT_CHILDREN_TOKEN]]#8217;t run Scrivens into the ground just because he has more potential. You can also destroy goalies by ruining their confidence.
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
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Ron Wilson: Can’t belive media called up a parent – doesn’t think its proper #Leafs #Reimer
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I'm divided
If they were pestering the family its innapropriate. But if they just contacted her for a comment and she was interested in talking I don’t have a problem.
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hurts leafs trading position because they can’t manage the message about reimer.
on the otherhand the team comes up looking good relative to say how philly handles injuries
That’s the last time I want to hear “trade” and “Reimer” in the same sentence, capiche?
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think he meant trading for another goalie while we wait for Reimer to get healthy.
by ShahofToronto on Nov 10, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I SAID CAPICHE
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Star's quality hockey journalism at work
by Goosemonster on Nov 10, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Despite me linking it above, i thought that article was tabloid journalism at it’s finest.
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Is it really that different than getting Peter Stastny’s opinion on the Chris Stewart trade or Frantisek Kaberle’s opinion on Tomas playing in Toronto though?
It’s not like it’s the first quote from an NHL parent.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Just because there’s precedent doesn’t mean that it wasn’t also inappropriate in those instances.
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Ya, just wondering why the big deal this time and not then.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, Kaberle’s interview was transcribed from like a Czech website or something, so not quite the same as a TO reporter doing it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Because it’s a mother concerned about her son’s health, not a former NHLer talking about his current NHL son not being happy with his current situation with a team. Those dad’s had knowledgeable and informed information, Reimer’s mother does not.
Either way though, due to inherent biases, I don’t want to hear from parents.
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I still think calling a parent and asking them to comment on their Son/daughters injury is exploitation of that person.
come on, what concerned/proud parent wouldn’t want to talk about their kid.
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How is it exploitation if the parent knows who they’re talking to and what the consequences are? These people are adults. I’m tired of people not taking responsibility for their actions and comments by claiming the media takes everything “out of context.”
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
The team is not saying anything, the player is not saying anything. Reporters would not be doing their jobs if they all just threw up their hands and said “Oh well let’s just go home.” Feschuk figured if anybody would know anything it would be his mother. He went with a hunch. Good for him.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
point of the matter is he’s circumventing team communication policies to get a scoop so he gets more eyes on his article. I don’t understand why everyone is burning to know whether he has a concussion or not. He does. Is his mom a doctor? is she able to provide diagnosis beyond what we know? No.
It doesn’t warrant a phone call to his mother who will obviously talk to anyone about her star hockey player son.
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Since when is the media bound by the leafs team communication policies? Last I checked, one reporter decided to talk to an ordinary Canadian woman; oh and her son is the goalie for the most followed team in the NHL. She could have refused to talk to the reporter.
Now, the Leafs have every right to refuse to talk to said reporter since the “incident”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
As someone mentioned below, the team is hush hush on this stuff because they think it gives them a competitive advantage (HA!), it’s not like it’s a big scoop. anybody reading between the lines can tell he was concussed.
doesn’t warrant a phone call to his mother.
is he going to call Tim Connolly’s mom and ask what’s up next? Maybe Armstrong’s mom has some more insider information.
fucking weasels.
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Connolly mom would have great stories to share from Tim’s childhood. I’m not worried about Tim at all – he was always getting hurt when he was young – cutting his finger on paper while doing homework, stabbing himself with a fork while eating.
Why is he a weasel? I don’t understand what’s so apparently immoral about calling up Reimer’s mom and asking if she has any info to share.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to sound like Andy Sutton but is she an expert on head injuries? No, she’s someone’s mother who’s probably concerned about her son’s health and he’s using that to get around the fact the Leafs are being hush hush about it.
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She’s also his mother, and usually sons talk to their mothers. Maybe he told her what the doctors have been telling him, maybe he’s told her about how he is feeling. He was a reporter who got an idea and followed a hunch. This is what reporters do.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
So you don’t find the information very useful, which is fine, but why the need to assert that the reporter is somehow acting unethically?
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I actually liked the article, it was cool to get his mom’s view. It kind of puts it into perspective how we’re all worried about Reimer being out because it is hurting the team, whereas she’s worried because he’s her son and she’s worried about his health.
The stuff about the dog was cool too. If there had been reporters harassing her and knocking on her door for comments I would think it was horrible, but it seems like she was a willing interviewee.
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I would say, if anything, the headline seems to mislead the reader into thinking its some big expose on Reimer’s concussion history, but there’s a good chance the editor did that to increase page hits. Really the article is about showing how he’s a human being and his family is affected by his injury and stuff like that.
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Reporters almost never write headlines, and definitely never for the paper. Trust me, I’ve seen plenty of instances where a reporter completely and angrily disagreed with the way their story got played in the paper or online
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Again, I don’t mind that part of the article, but don’t tell me for a second that his initial hunch was to ask about reimer’s new dog.
he wanted to know if he was actually concussed or not. Thats circumventing team policy in my opinion.
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Why does the reporter have any responsibility to the team and why should he care about their media policies?
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
he may not give a shit at all, but it’s MY opinion that it’s sleazy.
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Reporters are not beholden to “team policy.”
When executives at Lehman Brothers said “no comment” the reporters did not stop asking questions. That’s not sleaze. That’s responsible journalism.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
But its not just about whether or not he is concussed, but about how she feels about his injury and her perspective on how the whole thing has unfolded. I dunno, but I’m not really that bothered by it personally.
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And I don’t understand the constant accusation that he’s somehow using her. Did Feschuk manipulate her? Coerce her? Kidnap and torture her into talking? Not as far as I can tell.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
no but once again, what kind of parent WOULDN’T want to talk about how their star athlete child is doing?
If someone called your mom and asked how you were doing would she turn them away? I doubt it.
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So…it’s his fault because she can’t help herself? Why is this sleazy? Why is this irresponsible?
“Hold on, hold on, stop talking. I don’t want you to say something you’ll regret later. God forbid I’d be forced to write about it.”
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
"Hold on, hold on, stop talking. I don’t want you to say something you’ll regret later. God forbid I’d be forced to write about it."
This would be the most ethical journalist I’ve never come across.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Reporters are not babysitters. People need to take responsibility for their words and actions, particularly if they’re public figures doing and saying things in public. “They took me out of context” has become a catch-all.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a reporter. He’s doing his job. There’s a big difference between “it’s SO OBVIOUS if you read between the lines” and actually getting confirmation. If his mother had said “yes, he told me he has a concussion” that is news. And yes, that is a scoop because nobody else has it. “I mean, it’s obvious he probably has a concussion if you just look at him” is not journalism.
Did she say that? No. But he got something from her and he was completely justified in running it. As far as I know he didn’t introduce himself as a friend of James’s who happens to have a tape recorder. She chose to talk to him.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ever watched Die Hard?
Remember how that news reporter goes and finds John MacLean’s family and exposes Holly and John as being husband and wife to Hans? Everyone thought that guy was a dick for doing that.
Reporters should leave family members alone.
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It’s interesting to see most of the Leaf MSM reporters going all reductio ad absurdum on this thing. OMG WE’RE NEVER ALLOWED TO TALK TO PLAYER’S PARENTS ABOUT ANYTHING EVER AGAIN.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 10, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
MSM stick together like bloggers do…
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Was about to make the same comment actually.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 10, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Just interesting is all.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 10, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yes because a movie is reality and exposing an undercover cop to a criminal is the same as calling Reimer’s mom. Also John Maclean’s family was harboring an illegal alien.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Analogy – a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based
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Kinda like my computer password analogy before
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You’re a dick
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I know what an analogy is, professor. I’m saying yours was extreme
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have a problem with the mother just being contacted? I think contacting her is due diligence. If she is happy to talk to you, great have at it. If she’s not, leave her the fuck alone.
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She seems just as frustrated with the lack of info on Reimer as we do. Probably a million times more so.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have a problem with the mother just being contacted?
Yes. Very much so.
I think contacting her is due diligence.What insight could his mother possibly give on this story? She gave none.
If she is happy to talk to you, great have at it. If she’s not, leave her the fuck alone.How about just leaver her the fuck alone?
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Asking about his concussion?
Yeah I can agree with leaving her alone. But when just writing a story about Reimer? I don’t see why you can’t try to contact her. Maybe she has something interesting to tell us (like the puppy thing). Sometimes its nice to hear the behind the scenes.
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If Feschuk wants to contact Reimer’s mother for a fluff piece on Reimer’s puppy, favorite type of pie, and other weird quirks then sure, go right on ahead and call her up and write that piece.
But that’s not why he called her. He wanted to write about Reimer’s concussion, treatment, and progress. To me the people to contact would be Burke, Wilson, the Leafs medical staff, teammates with past concussion problems like Connolly and Lombardi, etc…. I wouldn’t think for a second to call the poor kid’s mother.
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And the team has refused to say anything. Does that mean all the reporters throw up their hands and say let’s go home? It doesn’t work that way. Because if reporters gave up every time someone said no, the world would be a much worse place.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t think for a second to call the poor kid’s mother.
Many people put their profession ahead of any ethics or values.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 10, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine if a blogger had written that story.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 10, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Simple solution to this problem – tell fans/media what the injury is and what the prognosis is.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Concussion
No fucking clue.
The same thing they’ve been saying for awhile now.
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The team has repeatedly denied it’s a concussion.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
They’re now calling it “upper body”.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been wondering about this. A few days ago on TSN (I think it was) Bobby Mac said that Alfredsson had completed the leagues concussion protocol, or some such thing, and was now allowed to return. It would be pretty sketchy, but the Leafs could be looking to avoid such protocol if, according to them, Reimer never had a concussion.
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by A Lindros Jaw on Nov 10, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
FTA
This is the way it works according to the NHL’s concussion protocol:
When a player comes off the ice and is suspected of having a concussion, as Alfredsson was after being hit by New York’s Wojtek Wolski on Saturday, an initial examination is done at the bench.
If that raises concerns, the player is taken to the dressing room where a more extensive examination is done.
If that examination determines the player has a concussion, it triggers the concussion protocol, which is the point the team is at with Alfredsson.
What this means is that Alfredsson will be kept out of play until he is symptom-free, at rest and exertion.
He also has to undergo extensive neuropsychological testing. The team physician then looks at the data and determines when the player is ready to return.
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by A Lindros Jaw on Nov 10, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well Reimer doesn’t really fall into that protocol at all then. He never came off the ice with there being a suspicion of him having a concussion (he finished the period). In the dressing room and until he practiced again he apparently didn’t suffer any concussion symptoms. For that protocol to apply you need to fit into a pretty strict set of circumstances.
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It seems kind of silly to me then, that something that so complicated to diagnose would adhere to such a strict set of circumstances.
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by A Lindros Jaw on Nov 10, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
A guy named LindrosJaw teaching class on concussions. I like.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 10, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
In all fairness, the dont need to tell you or anyone anything
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Yup. Doesn’t make it any less frustrating though.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
They don’t “need” to tell anyone anything, no, but if they’re angry about people trying to discover the status of one of the team’s most important players, that’s how they can fix it.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I dont like people trying to hack into my computer, should I just give them the password?
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I must have missed the crime that Feschuk committed.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Thats an exaggeration. I don’t disagree with your original point, but c’mon.
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The point was just because people want something, you dont have to give in.
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I know, but at the same time, fans want answers (whether they are right or wrong) so the media is going to try to get it.
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Team wants competitive advantage by not revealing extent of injury. Media outlet wants competitive advantage by getting info other media outlets don’t have. No one is hurt by any of this.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 10, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I’m tired of all the antagonism and animosity against the MSM. Sure there are idiot reporters, but there are also idiot bloggers. There’s so much arrogance floating around these days it’s absolutely ridiculous.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure there are idiot reporters, but there are also idiot bloggers.
SO very very true
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by leafer1984 on Nov 10, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how is the team going to get a competitive advantage by withholding the extent of injury? It’s not like a hip injury or something where other teams can exploit a weakness. Opponents know it’s a hit to the head that caused a concussion, or however the Leafs want to spin the semantics
My opinion on the whole “not saying its a concussion” thing was to try and deflect some of the media attention that labelling it a “concussion” would cause. Look at Crosby, he has to give daily updates of his status and his injury was featured on every hockey panel in Canada at least three times a day. “Concussion” has become a four letter word in hockey and turns everyone into an expert, Reimer needs to focus on getting better and doesn’t need to be under any more of a microscope than he’s already under.
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But it hasn’t really, Reimer’s injury wasn’t a huge deal until the team started playing like shit without him. There hasn’t been all the “I hope they don’t bring him back too early, blah blah blah crap”, there haven’t been press conferences, or calls for Reimer to be an advocate against headshots like Crosby.
The focus is on him being hurt because he’s our best goalie, not because its a concussion and the game is dangerous.
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I doubt he’d be much of a magnet for coverage because he’s not a Crosby, concussion or no. As you say, he’s not warranted the media scrutiny until he became the goaltending savior by default
He’s the starting goalie for the Toronto Maple Leafs, he’s as close to a Crosby as you can be without being the best player in the world.
I just think the team didn’t want this to become an outlet for all the recent 60 minutes style concussion stories. They’ve done that pretty well. Also, they apparently didn’t find a concussion on the initial tests, so maybe they legitimately thought it wasn’t one.
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Basically while the team was winning, it was okay for Reimer to take time to recover. But now that they’re not, the fans and the media are going for the obvious story, which is what is wrong with him and when is he coming back?
It’s a valid story, and if any reporter just drops it after the team says “no comment” then that’s lazy reporting.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
and the obfuscation by the organization just adds to fuel to the fire. As I say, if the goal was to keep the media at bay, it backfired
It’s Toronto. You’re never going to keep the media at bay.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 10, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Fantasy hockey,
which goalie (only one) do I start tonight?
These goalies are all likely to start: Scrivens vs St.Louis, Rask vs. Edmonton, Montoya vs. Colorado
or Harding (unconfirmed) vs San Jose?
I’m thinking Scrivens right now, mostly cuz St.Louis will trap, though Rask is likely a good bet?
Emotionally hedge, bet against Scrivens. Start Rask IMO (if he’s confirmed starter)
I’m starting Halak.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Wow – those are your starting goalies?
But gotta think after Edmonton only getting 13(!) shots on Price (and still winning!!) last game that Rask and the Bruins should have an easy night.
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Well here’s how it works:
its a keeper league,
you get 4Cs, 4LW, 4RW, 6D, 2G, 6 bench, 6 minor league positions (minor league = < 110NHL GP)
I drafted Vokoun and Fleury early, and then drafted Rask and Schneider late,
I flipped Schneider earlier to fill some needs, which helped me pick up JVR
Since then I picked up Harding early, made a small trade for Montoya, and recently picked up Scrivens. They all count as minors
Rask isn’t confirmed to play, either. Montoya/Scrivens. Pray.
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Worst. Guy. Ever.
So we’re out to dinner with another family last Friday at the Coffee Mill. One table over, this guy is talking about how he has Leafs season tickets in the purples and scalps every ticket. I can’t help but overhear.
The guy brags to his buddy that his previous record for a pair of purples was $375 for this season’s Opening Night. But he says that it just got beat with $425 for his upcoming pair on Mats Sundin Honoured Number Night. He started laughing and said that a woman e-mailed him and told him she was shocked to be quoted at $400 for a pair of greens, so she was offering him $425; apparently, she was under the impression that greens were the worst seats in the house. He took advantage of her ignorance of the ACC and broke his own record.
Just to round out the picture, he added that he hates the Leafs, thinks Toronto is crazy for getting excited about 9-3-1 and even said “What kind of idiot calls himself Joffrey?”
If the Hockey Gods have any sense of justice, Dude at Coffee Mill will get his. And soon.
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by Varry Galk on Nov 10, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I want to hunt down this guy like the shusher from Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 10, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
What kind of idiot calls himself Joffrey?"
The guy whose parents named him Joffrey.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 10, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s also a kick-ass name, though I admit that Joffrey Baratheon kind of Adolf’d it. /nottotallyserious
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by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 10, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t know if you’ve read the books… but it gets worse
by Chi-town leafs on Nov 10, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
No I haven’t, but that does not surprise me.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 10, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Joffrey should have gotten more involved in the baby-name discussion. That’s what you get for truancy.
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2012 Stanley Cup Champions, the Toronto Maple Leafs!
by stevesmith19 on Nov 10, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Random question about PDO
Does it control for empty net goals? Is the formula:
(Goals For/Shots For) + (1 – (Team Goals Against/Team Shots Against))?
Or is it:
(Goals For/Shots For) + (1 – (Goaltender Goals Against/Goaltender Shots Against)?
Or am I way off altogether?
In the end, I don’t think it actually matters due to how few ENGs there actually are (I don’t think the Leafs have scored or conceded an ENG this year, but I could be misremembering), but just a thought that popped into my head.
it's team
SV% + team SH% at ES typically.
Empty Net goals wouldn’t be included.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 10, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
STarting scribbles is the correct move.. He’s only had one bad game as opposed to Mr “I feel pretty good”
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Scrivens on a prayer...
by Future_considerations on Nov 10, 2011 3:25 PM EST reply actions
Hehe... scribbles...
Well don’t expect magic victory power in the pipes. Reimer is the exception to the rookie goalie norm, which is struggle for a few seasons before arriving at an average.
Even Reimer had a month of practice with the NHL Leafs before being asked to… go 9-2 on an 11 game road trip through mostly playoff teams.
I guess we just like throwing rookies into the cauldron.
The best part about that Toskala goal was that it was on the PP. So, so, terrible.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 10, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions
If the Flyers have the lead, I have no problem with waiting in your own zone as the impetus is on the team that is behind to be aggressive. Tied it is dumb.
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