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The real source of the Trap Problem



Last night the Lightning and Flyers played a hockey game in which a considerable amount of time was spend standing around looking at each other.  This has quickly led to calls by some to bring in basketball-style rules inflation: "shot clocks" to force the Flyers to attack, or "illegal defence" to force the Lightning to forecheck.  Either one would be a big mistake, in my opinion, and would in any event be treating the symptom rather than the problem.

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That problem is not the rules, nor is it the coaching.  It's the NHL standings system, which has rightly been ridiculed by fans for some time now.  If both teams spent 65 minutes staring at each other and then went to a shootout, each would have the expected result of earning 1.5 points.  This isn't just a good result; it translates to a 123 point pace and would have been first overall last year.  It's a fantastic result.  Both coaches here were making the right decision, and only interference from the refs prevented this from becoming obvious.

There is no need, under the current set up, to score goals in order to succeed.  It turns out that it's not a goal scoring contest at all.  Many alternatives have been suggested: 3-2-1, 4-3-2-1, getting rid of the shootout and the pity point - and all would solve this problem.  If anything needs to be done about the Tampa Bay trap, this is it.

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My preferred solution:
Keep things the way they are
7 votes
4-3-2-1 (regulation win, overtime win, shootout win, shootout loss)
5 votes
3-2-1 (regulation win, overtime win, overtime loss)
20 votes
No shootouts and no three point games
23 votes
Some other solution
7 votes

62 votes | Poll has closed

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I think that the problem here is that the ridiculously small ice surface that they play on helps maximize the effectiveness of the trap because there just isn’t a whole lot of space to maneuver. The small ice surface allows the trapping team to really clog up what little space there is left thereby not allowing the attacking team much of a chance to break through.
The NHL has been using the same sized ice surface for many decades and quite frankly it’s just not cutting it. Players nowadays are bigger and faster than ever before and they need the extra space to maneuver. If they played on a wider ice surface (i.e. European sized) it would create a lot more gaps in the trap thereby creating more space for the attacking players to maneuver. That would then diminish the effectiveness of the trap.
The problem though is that the myopic NHL failed to rectify the problem of the tiny ice surface years ago when they had the chance. Throughout the 90’s many teams were getting new arenas and that would’ve been the perfect opportunity to make the ice surface wider. But unfortunately it never happened. The wider ice surface won’t come to fruition any time soon because it’s an expensive proposition and you’d have to take out several rows of seats which is something that teams wouldn’t go for.
In conclusion, the small ice surface plus the trap is what’s creating a lot of these boring, low scoring games (not just the loser point).

by magnetron on Nov 10, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

I admit that the whole wider ice surface concept has been mentioned many times before but it’s something I feel strongly about. I do believe that the NHL players could easily adjust to a wider ice surface (if it ever happens) and make it work.

by magnetron on Nov 10, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Doubt owners want to lose their most valuable seats.

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by red army line on Nov 14, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

two points for a win, zero for a loss, keep the bloody shootout for all I care but no loser point

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Unless they institute a 3point system. 3 for Reg. Win. 2 for OT Win. 1 for OT Loss

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by SPERO on Nov 10, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

no, two point system, no loser point, fuck that shit

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 10, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if you're not going to give out points for a loss

It sort of eliminates the need to keep track of points – just keep track of wins.

Unless you’re like me, and would like to see ties brought back.

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by JP Nikota on Nov 10, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i’d be ok with that, either way,

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 11, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

This is total outside the box thinking...

..and worthy of substantial criticism, but what if teams were awarded a bonus point for winning AND scoring more than 4 goals in a game.
Win with scoring 3 goals or less (overtime included)? 2 points
Tie? 1 point
Win and score 4 (or more) goals in that game? bonus point
Lose and score 4 (or more) goals? nada
Shootout goals do not count towards the final score nor the bonus point

I dunno, but something has got to happen

by ilBrutto on Nov 11, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

This isn’t cribbage.

Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

by Nirbo on Nov 11, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This is really interesting, but I’m not totally sure it’s accurate. The trap has been around since before the lockout, and this is the first time (as far as I’m aware) since the lockout where teams have stood looking at each other until the whistle is blown. If the points system really were the cause of this, entire games would be spent like those few seconds in the Tampa-Philly game.

Hockey won’t turn into a kind of coordination game (in the game theory sense) because maximizing points at the end of the night isn’t good enough, at least not if everyone’s doing what you’re doing. Teams still need to be better than half of their conference. Teams are only happy with a 123 point pace because most other teams won’t hit that. I agree that in certain situations, late in the game against a team from the other Conference, you might get strategies based on the point system. But as a general approach to every game? I doubt it.

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by The Bag on Nov 11, 2011 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

123 points isn’t as attractive if everyone gets there, but it’s still better than less than 123. When both teams try to score goals, it’s clearly demonstrated that neither will get to 123 unless they’re really, really good.

It’s a straight-up Prisoner’s Dilemma – if one team tries to score, then both of them should try to score, but they’d both be better off looking at each other. The math is clear. The only reason it doesn’t happen every game is that players and coaches are trained to play hockey.

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by Back In Black on Nov 11, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

In soccer they have 3 points for a win and 1 point for a draw

and you see a lot of defensive bus-parking there too.

I think the problem is just that defense is easier to coach. It’s easier to coach people to destroy creative attacks than it is to teach them to be creative… and losing is punished so heavily that people coach teams not to lose.

Adjusting the points is unlikely to do anything. What is needed is some way to reward creating goals just a little bit more than preventing goals. And for that you need to get creative. Something like awarding points based on the goal differential up to a maximum (of say, 3). Lose you get zero points, OT game you get a max of 1, but win by 2 goals, get 2 points. Win by 3 or more, get 3 points. That way the ideal strategy isn’t to get a 1 goal lead then sit on the game and make nothing happen. You can do it, but other more prolific teams will gain ground on you in the standings…. but at the same time you don’t need to keep running up the score on hapless teams.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 13, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

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