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Where Has All The Kulemin Gone?

By this point last year, Nikolai Kulemin had posted 4 goals and 5 assists on 26 shots, during a "slow start" en route to a 30 goal 57 point season.  So far this year he has 2 goals and 4 assists on 25 shots, during an even SLOWER start, en route to lord knows what kind of production.  And yet, all is not lost.

Last year Kulemin was "cold" early, netting only 1 goal through his first 10 games, before heating up in November and potting 8 goals in 13 games.  The funny thing about that is, he had 3 goals through the first 3 games of November, but then he bunched his production of the other 5 goals into another 3 games throughout the month.  He only scored goals in 6 of the 13 games, so it wasn't like he was amazingly consistent to produce those 8 goals.  Through the first 2 months last year he had goals in only 7 of his first 16 games.  

Star-divide

 

That bunching effect is what has been missing so far, and most of it started when he began shooting more.  He had two games with 2 goals, where he fired away 5 and 6 shots respectively.  He also had a game with 7 shots on goal mixed in there.  Between November 16th and 30th last season, over the course of 7 games, Kulemin fired a boggling 31 shots on goal, or over 4 per game.  This was the stretch where he produced 5 of his early goals.

Why is this relevant you may ask? Well because Kulemin has recently picked up his shot production. From games 1 to 6, Kulemin only had 4 shots on goal, or less than 1 per game.  Then from games 7 to 11, he produced 10 shots, or over 2 per game.  Incidentally he scored a goal and had 2 assists in this stretch.  Then, inexplicably, he had zero shots in the games vs. Columbus and New Jersey (which wasn't particularly horrid as the Leafs won both games).  He still managed to produce an assist, but that isn't the type of production he's looked to for particularly.

Recently he appeared to be heating up again with 4 shots against Boston, 6 shots against Florida, but in games against St. Louis and Ottawa he has managed only 1 shot again through 2 games. He provided 10 shots in 2 games, but then dipped to 1 over the next 2... that's ANYTHING but consistent.  

Considering that line mates Clarke MacArthur and Mikhail Grabovski have both had up and down seasons so far, despite producing more offensively than Kulemin, it's no shock that the trio has yet to be firing on all cylinders.  MacArthur has 6 goals and 8 points, while Grabovski has 5 goals and 10 points, so both are on pace to roughly repeat their seasons of last year in terms of points (45 pt pace for MacArthur, 48 pt pace for Grabovski).

Kulemin is on pace for a 29 point season, by far his worst as a Leaf, including even his rookie season.  He's dragging the other two skaters on his line down a tad also, as both MacArthur and Grabovski generated a lot of their production on assists they were credited for on goals scored by Kulemin.  If and when his production returns, their numbers will jump accordingly.

So what's the real problem with Kulemin's shot generation?  A drop in minutes won't help particularly, but Kulemin isn't just seeing fewer minutes.  He's firing fewer shots on net than he did in his rookie season, when he was playing even lower minutes nightly, largely on the 3rd or 4th line.  Well for starters, he's fired 21 attempts that have missed the net (1.24 misses per game).  Last season he only missed the net on shot attempts 67 times in 82 games (0.82 misses per game), so his rate of missed shots has increased by 50% over last year - that's not a positive trend.  This might be an indication that he's trying to be too fine around the net, and looking to pick corners rather than just putting the puck on net and hoping goalies make a mistake.  Also when one considers the fact that he's playing fewer minutes, his missed shots are exaggerated even further.  Last year his missed shot rate was 2.83 per 60 minutes of ice time (in all situations), while so far this year it's 4.67 per 60 minutes of ice time.  That's actually an increase of 65% over last year, so the missed shots problem is far worse than we may notice just by looking at the simple totals.

As far as shot attempts that have been blocked, Kulemin has only had his shot prevented on 12 occasions this season, so this too might be an indicator.  There is a chance that in his efforts to avoid having his shots blocked he is changing his shooting angles, and thus missing the net more frequently.  This is a harder value to tabulate - I have been loading every event sheet for every game thus far, which I'm not about to do for last season - so from a comparison perspective I don't know if this is a drastic change from last year, but for a player that shoots relatively frequently 12 blocked shots seems low so far on the season. In an effort to find numbers for comparison I tabulated the missed and blocked attempts for Mikhail Grabovski, Phil Kessel, and Joffrey Lupul on the year so far in the chart below.

Player S BS MsS G Overall S%
Nikolai Kulemin 25 12 21 2 3.4%
Mikhail Grabovski 36 26 5 5 7.5%
Phil Kessel 57 19 26 12 11.8%
Joffrey Lupul 49 20 16 9 10.6%

So in looking at these numbers, Kulemin has had 33 attempts miss or blocked and he's had 25 on net (43.1% on goal); Grabovski has had 31 miss or blocked and 36 on net (53.7% on goal); Kessel has had 45 miss or blocked and 57 on net (55.9% on goal); and Lupul has had 36 miss or blocked and 49 on net (57.6% on goal).

Obviously Kulemin isn't hitting the net enough to generate good production at this point, and frankly it's affecting his production rather drastically.  In order to get the 2nd line in gear, and in order for Kulemin to see better production, his shots are going to have to get on net more frequently.  He needs to work on just getting pucks on net, and less about having them go in at this point.

Lastly, the excuse of competition levels doesn't hold for Kulemin either at this point, as the competition he's facing so far this year is easier than it was last year.  Much of this is likely internal to Kulemin's mind set and the way in which he is attacking the opposition goal so far this season.  He has seemed quite capable in some games of generating a solid drive to the net, and getting good chances around the goal, but the level of consistency he has shown from game to game with these efforts has been atrocious.  In many ways it should come as no shock to Leafs fans that the Leafs two most disappointing players so far this year are likely Luke Schenn and Nikolai Kulemin, who last year registered career highs in points and ice time.  

If the Leafs hope to continue to develop and improve, they need the likes of Kulemin to continue to make positive strides, and unfortunately right now it looks like he's been taking a significant step back.  Let's hope he turns it around sooner rather than later.

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In hindsight...

Looking back to this summer, perhaps the Leafs should have sold high on Kulemin and taken Philadelphia’s offer of Kadri + Kulemin for Carter? We still would have been handcuffed with Carter’s massive contract, but…

by McAwesome on Nov 13, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

no idea

if that offer was ever actually in play. And even if it was, Carter’s been injured so we have no idea if he’d be superior to Kulemin and Kadri so far this year.

Seems a little absurd to just say “we should have done such and such”…

Reality is Kulemin’s a better player than he’s shown so far this year. He’ll turn it around eventually and get hot, similarly to what is expected of Schenn eventually. Even in the worst case scenario where he doesn’t turn it around quickly, or he suffers an injury, he’s still a very good hockey player.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It is still early in season (3SA) but plenty of teams have lines/players in slumps that have been overtaken by other players. Has anyone determined the randomness (standard deviation) of a nhl player goals/points year to year? That is if on average a player score 25 goals last year, then the next year they are 25 +- 5?

by jeffgm on Nov 13, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure

that’s a study worth making given all the variables in play due to things like injuries, trades, promotions, demotions etc. given all the lineup changes that are possible.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That being said

only 23 NHL players since 2000-01 have posted 2 consecutive years totaling 55 or more goals during their 3rd and 4th NHL seasons.

Here’s the list: Ovechkin, Cheechoo, Kovalchuk, Parise, Vanek, Carter, Zetterberg, Ryan, E. Staal, Kessel, Eriksson, Malkin, Hejduk, Kopitar, Perry, Pominville, Boyes, Cammallerri, Horton, Richards, Kane, Toews, and Frolov.

I don’t think Kulemin is likely to score 25 goals this year realistically – unfortunately. If he should miraculously do so, then he’s in pretty damn elite company… i.e. one of the top 25 young goal scorers in the past decade plus of NHL hockey. If THAT happens, then I think he deserves a big raise when his time comes. But I wouldn’t bank on it. Oh and he’s an NHL all-star… or deserves to be.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

At some point, Leafs fans have to stop with this obsession of trading good players for lottery tickets for a chance at players that might turn out as good as the one we had.

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by PPP on Nov 13, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But it could be anything! Even a boat!

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by BCapp on Nov 14, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

last season was an aberration

i don’t think Kulemin will come anywhere near he was last season….he’s not a gift scorer by any means…i think 15-20 goals and 50-60 points is realistic…

by phunky on Nov 13, 2011 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

right, he has a terrible shot, horrible hands and is never in the right position around the net, no goal scorers instinct at all
oh wait, that is the total opposite of true

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 13, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

wonder what he would generate on the trade market...

maybe 2 first round drafts and maybe a second as well???

by phunky on Nov 13, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

why are we trading

4th year NHL players who are 25 for draft picks?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

you don't trade

a 30 goal scorer who is in his 4th year in the NHL and is 25 years old for 3 draft picks… that’s absurd.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

unless

you’re Boston and you have a crapload of other talent to sign and you need cap space… which is why they moved Kessel.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

why are u saying he's a 30 goal scorer?

you can’t look at one season and claim a player to be a 30 goal scorer…the year before that 30 goal season, he only had 16…

by phunky on Nov 13, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

what other

logic would make someone a “30 goal scorer”… if not scoring 30 goals?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

so based on that logic...

he would also be a 16 goal scorer???

by phunky on Nov 14, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

the year before

Kessel’s first 30 goal season he had 19… does this make him not a 30 goal scorer.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

don't compare Kessel with Kule

Kessel is a natural scorer…you can’t say the same about Kule…

by phunky on Nov 14, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes you can. You can’t say it to the same degree as Kessel, but Kulemin is a pretty damn good goal scorer. If you followed his career before he came over to North America you would know that he won the KHL playoffs MVP for 10 G in 15 GP.

In his last year there he had 48 G in 111 games (so an average of 24/season) at 20 and 21. Thats damn good! I can’t get the KHL stats for that year but the following year that would have ranked him 11th in the league (one less goal than Jagr).

While he took his time to develop over here, Kule is a big-bodied goal scorer…

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by BCapp on Nov 14, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

my point is...

what do you think other teams would offer to Kuly?

by phunky on Nov 13, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

a player

would be a starting point… either a roster player or a blue chip prospect.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

okie...

“right, he has a terrible shot, horrible hands and is never in the right position around the net, no goal scorers instinct at all”
i won’t go this far…just that he’s not a pure goal scorer…..

by phunky on Nov 13, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not about to score

50 goals… but he’s pretty talented and his skill set is very good.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you don't think

that 15-20 goal 50-60 point players are “not gifted scorers”… because that’s what you just typed, and it’s completely ridiculous.

There were only 91 players in the NHL to do that last season. Or 3 for every NHL team. i.e. TOP LINE FORWARDS.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

funny thing

Kulemin’s career shooting percentage is over 13%… but he’s not a gifted scorer by any means.

Only 64 NHL players have had over 200 shots and managed a 13+ % shooting percentage over the term of Kulemin’s career. He’s sitting at 53rd with a 13.3%. He’s also got 1 less goal than Mikhail Grabovski over the exact same stretch of years played, but hey his hands are HORRID…

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

check this out butch...

He’s been getting chances but he still has just two goals and four assists in 16 games. He’s also on pace for just 128 shots, a decrease of some 26 percent over his total from last year. This is worth close monitoring — his eight percent shooting percentage is a whole lot closer to his 11 percent from 2009-10 than his 17.3 from last seaso

by phunky on Nov 13, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

you're throwing out

a completely unusual shot rate, and his shooting percentage in the same comment.

The two aren’t tied to each other. His shooting percentage can drop, but his shot totals have gone up every year he’s been in the NHL. His shot rate is currently the lowest he’s had in his career… that doesn’t have anything to do with skill. Did you read the posting?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

let's see how Kule finishes this season...

i really hope that i’m wrong in my projection..

by phunky on Nov 14, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ll be quite happy if he gets 50-60 points. That would make him 46th-89th for a forward or a top 3 forward…

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by BCapp on Nov 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he will still score over 20 goals this year. And if he doesn’t, this season will be the outlier. He’s a very skilled player who is also super strong. The whole MGK line has gone too fancy and isn’t hitting the net like they should. For you to write off Kulie as non-gifted is just stupid.

I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.

by Chuck Diesel on Nov 13, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

they need

to just get more shots on goal… aiming for the corners is a waste of time at this point.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

aiming at the net...

wonder why they can’t hit the net more consistently….would u rather they aim for the goalies pads?

by phunky on Nov 13, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

you get more offense

from shooting at a goalies’ pads than you do from missing the net completely.

Rebounds for instance.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

unless your blake and shoot the puck into the goalies chest

by jeffgm on Nov 13, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

what do you mean unless?

Jason Blake had 4 consecutive seasons of 300+ shots, and he registered 108 goals over that span. That’s an average of 27 goals per season. I’d be fine with that if Kulemin could produce that much.

That goes along with 133 assists over the same stretch. That works out to an average of 33 assists per season roughly.

So for 4 years, Blake was a 27 goal 60 point player. He was making $4 mill for the Leafs… I’m happy to pay $4 mill in cap hit for a player like that.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

congrats yet another narrative debunked by Burtch

by jeffgm on Nov 13, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Any time you fire off 300+ shots and manage to score 15 goals you are shooting the puck into the goalies chest an awful lot. 95.5% of the time actually.

by Dan Thompson on Nov 13, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

300+ shots

and 60 points… Kessel managed it what? once so far? yeah he’s crappy.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh. I was referring to that one specific year where he scored 15 goals on 300 shots You were using a 4 year period where he scored 40 goals in one of those four seasons, I was merely making the point that that single season skews the hell out of that little tid bit you were throwing around. As does the 15 goal season.

I’m not sure where you stand but if Kessel produces 60pts a year for his career I’ll be disappointed. 60 pts is solid, which Jason Blake was during the height of his career, but it’s not mind blowing.

by Dan Thompson on Nov 13, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm using

a 4 season average. Not one year… which is what you were doing. If I had gone with his 40 goal season the numbers would have been even better.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay

Jason Blake’s career SH % is 8.1. Let’s look at the leafs top “6”

Kessels 10%
Kule 13%
Lupul 11%
Connolly 9%
Grabbo 12%.
Mac 13%

So yes as a top six player he shot a lot of pucks into the goalies chest. I was a big Blake defender when he was in Toronto I thought we pretty well got what was advertised. Those expecting a 40 goal season were nuts.

by Dan Thompson on Nov 13, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m with you on that front. But nobody can argue that he struggled to create shots for himself.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 14, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Which is why I’m of the opinion that Kessel’s first years in Toronto aren’t very good indicators of what his shooting percentage is going to look like. I obviously don’t expect him to continue plugging away at 21% but I think he’ll be shooting closer to a 12-13% clip based on what you said about Blake about. I wish I could find that magical shots stat chart one of the guys made

by Dan Thompson on Nov 14, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

created shots, yes. Really quality shots, perhaps not.

It would explain a certain part of that low shooting percentage if he was just wristing things from the permiter or whatever.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 14, 2011 5:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The whole team isn't shooting much, either

They are in the bottom 3rd of the NHL in 5v5 SF/60 (27.8) and 2nd worst in the NHL in 5v4 SF/60 (38.9).

Pass?

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by Frag on Nov 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST reply actions  

We’ve been terrible at getting shots to teh net on the powerplay. I believe against Ottawa we had 3 shots on our first 3 powerplays. You can’t score if you don’t hit the net.

by Goosemonster on Nov 13, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow we scored on ourselves last night? Fuck, no wonder I tuned out with 1 minute left…

by Goosemonster on Nov 13, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

funny thing

we pretty badly outplayed and chanced Ottawa… just couldn’t outscore them.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

with Scrivens in net

the Leafs were +21 Corsi and +5 Fenwick.

Ottawa played like crap but got lucky on the PP.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

lucky is not what I’d call it. Their two big goals came from splitting our d and from our bad penalty kill. We didnt take advantage of our PP. Special teams remains a deep concern for this team.

by Goosemonster on Nov 13, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

also breakaways especially on a 5 on 3, Jagr x 3, Lucic and I’m sure a few more.
wilson must be completely frustrated with the defence.

by jeffgm on Nov 13, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Trust me he’s coaching them all wrong and his system is wrong. 5 on 3 breakaways come back to the coach. Fire Wilson.
/Sarcasm

by Dan Thompson on Nov 13, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I fail to understand

how anyone could blame Wilson for the D’s inability to cover the middle.

It’s happened repeatedly early this year… it’s quite ridiculous and obviously a problem area. Not sure wtf they’re doing.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure if you are furthering my point or forgot to read the /sarcasm

by Dan Thompson on Nov 13, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

What mind fucks me is on a number of occasions it has happened to defensive D men. I cut a little more slack and I mean a LITTLE to offensive Dmen when they get caught out of position because they are trying to make a play. How it happens to a guy like Komi or Schenn is beyond me, what the hell are you doing that you have a man behind you

by Dan Thompson on Nov 13, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Playing a Cover-1 secondary?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 13, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha. Possible, they’re not playing a tampa cover 2 that’s for sure.

by Dan Thompson on Nov 13, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame Ed Livingstone. They never should have gotten rid of the rover.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 13, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

5 on 3 and they are right at the blue line. i can understand an odd man rush when a dman is pinching trying to tie the game but they can underestimate the speed of opposition forwards or overestimate their own foot speed at the worst time.

by jeffgm on Nov 13, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think they have timed sprints and high five each other when they beat Hal Gills time? Gardiner is getting so many high fives…

by Dan Thompson on Nov 13, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

it stems from

Cronin’s PK set up… you stand up in the neutral zone to deny the zone to the oncoming team. It doesn’t work if they slip passes through though.

Leafs have sucked at execution of it generally so far.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess it's not luck

when the team has the top PP in the NHL, but they were complete garbage 5 on 5.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

30th in goal differential, to be precise.

You need to decline all penalties versus the Sens.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 13, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

special teams is part of the game, it’s not luck.

by Goosemonster on Nov 13, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not luck?

special teams are a far smaller part of the game than 5 on 5. Teams that have awesome special teams are often very good at 5 on 5 also which skews things, but teams that ONLY function well at one or the other will not end up in the same spot at the end of the year.

That is to say, ES teams that excel will be far better off than a special teams team that excels.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

it's like being good in the shootout.

sure it’s useful, but it’s not an indication of being particularly good on a team level.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

right now

Ottawa has 15 PP goals through 18 games. They’re on track to add 68 PP goals this season. The Leafs have 11 through 17 games, so they’re on track to add 53 PP goals. On the PK front the Leafs are on track to give up 87 goals. That’s a 34 goal difference… which isn’t great. The Sens are on track to surrender 77 goals on the PK. That’s a 9 goal difference.

At ES the Leafs are on track to produce 178 goals, and give up 174 goals. They’re on track to be +4 at ES. So overall that makes them -30.

At ES the Sens are on track to produce 137 goals and give up 210 goals. They’re on track to be -73 at evens. So overall that makes them -82.

Leafs -30, Sens -82. Who is likely to finish the season with a worse record? Which one would you rather be?

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 13, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Pittsburgh.

j/k

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 14, 2011 5:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying special teams matters less than 5v5, I’m just saying it isn’t luck. It still matters a lot. Generally, good teams have better special teams than bad teams. It’s not an exact rule, but it highlights the importance of special teams. Leafs -30, Buffalo +10 (I just pulled this number out of my ass to demonstrate)….who do you think would win that playoff series?

by Goosemonster on Nov 14, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously Buffalo

what about Chicago of the 13.2% PP and 76.4% PK? That worrisome at all? I mean they’re leading the NHL… but obviously special teams are REALLY important.

Chicago is on track to score 41 PP goals, and give up 59 goals while SH… that’s -18… not particularly stellar either.

Reason they’re so good? at ES they’re on track to score 232 goals and surrender 169. That’s +63 on the season. Even with the -18 at special teams they end up +45.

Special teams aren’t a big deal if you’re good at ES. They matter a lot more when you suck at ES because they can help make you appear better than you actually are.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 14, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

For the past 365 days, I have enjoyed hockey well enough, but isn’t it time somebody enhanced my experience?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 14, 2011 6:19 AM EST reply actions  

Funny thing about the Leafs PK.

Since Nov 3rd they’ve allowed 3 PP goals on 16 opportunities (81.25% kill rate).

That would rank them 20th overall in the NHL.

Teams that have been UNSUSTAINABLY good and are likely to get worse include Pittsburgh (94.0%), New Jersey (93.0%) and Buffalo (91.2%). Post lockout no NHL franchise has managed to have a PK% above 87.8%. That means that Pittsburgh in all likelihood sees their PK go around 86% at best for the rest of the season (to end up at 88.0%).

It also would help if the NYR, NYI, and NJD actually improved their PP’s because that has a lot to do with why Pittsburgh and NJ’s PKs look so good. I also don’t expect Buffalo’s run to continue with Miller out injured.

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."

- Sir Winston Churchill

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.

by Steve Burtch on Nov 14, 2011 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

Enroth has played better than Miller thus far this year. I don’t know about on the PK though…

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by BCapp on Nov 14, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Just checked

Its a definite 3SA. Enroth has seen 20 SA while short handed and let one in (0.950) and Miller has seen 46 and let 4 in (0.913).

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by BCapp on Nov 14, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year

Miller was an 0.886 to Enroth’s 0.879… But Enroth only saw 58 SA vs Miller’s 384. I believe others have pointed out that short handed sv% just doesn’t have enough data to differentiate from randomness…

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by BCapp on Nov 14, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

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