Blindsided by awesomeness
by birky on Nov 20, 2011 9:43 AM EST
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Wow. What a game last night. Based on the Leafs' struggles as of late, I was expecting something in the other direction. Toronto played a solid game against the Capitals. They were physical against Ovechkin, capitalized on the powerplay, and even received a solid game in net from Gustavsson. Matt Frattin finally broke out of his drought, and Joe Colborne showed flashes. On top of all of that, Joffrey Lupul added another 4 points in what could be turning into a career year. He's now tied for third in the NHL in scoring. Chris Johnson of the CP (courtesy of the G & M) had this to say in his recap:
Lupul has far exceeded expectations since being acquired from Anaheim in a Feb. 9 trade. The 28-year-old sat out almost a full calendar year with back woes before returning to the Ducks lineup in December 2010 and prospect Jake Gardiner was considered the real prize when Toronto acquired him and Lupul for Francois Beauchemin a couple months later.
While losing Beauchemin hurt (and still does at times), it looks like the Leafs picked up two solid, younger contributors in that deal.
More links after the jump...
Update from the Globe & Mail
MLHS has the quick hits
Time to let the kids take a stronger role going forward
Vintage Leaf Memories on giving the young guys a more permanent spot
Marlies win 3-2 in home return
Recap from Jeffler over at Marlies HQ
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Did it not animate the guys on the right, or is Mike Brown really that cold blooded?
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can you
or anyone else find a video of kessel congratulating Gus after the game? he looked positively gleeful.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Kwl-n_3WidE#t=114s
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by LeafFan1989 on Nov 20, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
awesome!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Phil Kessel, locker room cancer, no leadership skills.
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by Redonred on Nov 20, 2011 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he got his cancer from the locker room?
by Ben Schnell on Nov 20, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I want to punch Damien Cocks in the face.
by Andy Kyle Beattie on Nov 20, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
It’s those freakin’ toilet seats…. no money for cleaning now, with all the staff being shuttled over to provide Twitter support of Burke and Wilson.
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yah wow this is awesome!
More reason to see why he’s wearing the A
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
He also seems to be good buddies with Jonas. Or at least their Halloween pictures would suggest.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
After one of the goals (Kessel’s maybe?) Phaneuf skates back quickly before the face off and thanks Gus for his game, gives him a nice stick tap to the pads. Being a good captain.
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i missed that. Gus really kept them in it for a while. They were being bombarded in the 2nd and he really held the fort.
i know he’s really struggled with consistency, but I truly believe THAT is the goalie Burke thought he was getting when he signed him.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I missed the game but judging by the game in 6 highlights, Gus made a number of top notch saves. Even on the goal that went in looked tipped by the defender’s stick. He was in the zone last night.
That was by far the best game I have ever seen Gus play (he had some games in late 2009/2010 and early 2010/2011 that can compare though). His rebound control was out of this world, smothering pucks I didn’t think he could. But beyond that his reading of the play was incredible. He was quiet and economical in his movements and his positioning was top notch. The second most impressive part (besides obviously his rebound control), was how great his speed was (when he has good positioning with it). Late in the 3rd there was a cross crease pass and watching the game this is what I saw (I commented on it to my buddy):
Caps player receiving a pass with about half an open net
Then
Gus knocking a rebound away.
It was like watching a bad stream with frame rate issues. I just don’t know how he got there that fast, and he got his whole body there.
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it was easily his best game. he was completely dominant, but like you said, he was very quiet. he didn’t make any of the athletic saves he’s known to make, because he didn’t have to. he looked like he took up the whole net and ate everything within 3 feet of him.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
This is exactly why I actually gained some optimism about him after last night
When he’s played well in the past, it’s been because he’s made a lot of crazy athletic saves that nobody thought was possible. While that’s a good thing, it’s always led to him letting in a soft one because of the fact that he’s never been positionally sound. Last night he looked very good positionally, which is very encouraging.
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Seems to me he’s ok with a light load. If he’s playing 1 out of every 3-4 games, he can stay focused, but when he plays a few in a row, he gets tired and sags.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 20, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
i wonder whether that’s mental. usually when he’s playing 3 in a row it’s becasue the other guy is injured and he’s probably trying to establish himself as #1.
maybe this time, after watching Reimer and Scrivens pass him on the depth chart he said “fuck it. i’m not going to worry about proving myself. i’m just going to work on my technique and see what happens.”
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
There probably is a mental element. I would hope so because at the professional level, your body should be able to handle playing a few games in a row…
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 20, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Two deflections on the way in. There was nothing he could do.
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He gets torched on tipped pucks a lot because he was down on his knees before the shot came. If that shot hadn’t hit anyone it was going in anyways.
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really? 40 saves and you’re faulting him for a double deflection. give me a break.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
One good game and you’re claiming a guy with an .897 career is suddenly an NHL goalie.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not an NHL goalie until he can do that consistently. I think if he plays once every 4 games and he does that, then he’s a good NHL back-up. That would be fine. That’s been our problem, too, bringing guys in who are probably decent back ups but who can’t handle a full load. Toskala is the perfect example. When he didn’t have to play so many games in SJ, he was decent. Then he came here and shit the bed, probably because he was overloaded and then got hurt, tried to play through it, etc. And once a goalie’s confidence is blown, he’s done. So here’s hoping this guy gets the right amount of work for his level.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 20, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
There’s no such thing as “consistency”.
Every player has ups and downs. Up. Down. Up. Down. Judging guys on their peaks and saying “if he could do that more consistently” is as silly as looking at their lows and saying “he never does anything”.
Gustavsson’s given us three (3) quality starts in 10GP this year. His SV% is an .892 which is better than his .890 of last year but just barely.
He’s not a Vezina goaltender who can’t string it together: he’s a bad goalie and sometimes things just go your way.
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by Chemmy on Nov 20, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you don’t think he’s stats would change if his workload was more spread out?
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 20, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
They might, but if I’m running a hockey team or evaluating talent how does that help my team?
“This guy might be ok if he only plays once a month, let’s keep him around in case he elevates his game to ‘roughly average for a backup’.”
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Once a month is not acceptable. Once every ten days is a useful back up. But I’m not so sure anyway…I looked at his game log from last year and while he’s got some really good games after a week off, sometimes it doesn’t help.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 20, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
There’s not a lot to defend for Gustavsson except “sometimes he makes saves nobody else could”.
That’d be useful if not for the howlers.
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Look at the end of last season: http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/gustajo01/gamelog/2011/
Plays a game after a full week off: shelled
Gets two weeks off: .760
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Yeah just did that. Was he not hurt at that point?
I don’t think it is a pointless exercise to hope that the guy can pull it together. I’m not running the hockey team. Besides, at this point, what can Burke do? The best he can do is waive him, and then other GMs have him over a barrel because they know he needs a goalie. Even if he doesn’t waive him first, as soon as Burke calls looking for a goalie, the price goes up.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 20, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
No, the Leafs were running Reimer and the obviously hurt Giguere.
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yeah, but we using mitigating circumstances all the time for players.
we look at kessel and say “he ONLY scored 30 goals, but he’s playing with a bunch of scrubs, so he’s probably a 40 goal scorer.”
but with goalies we say “either you’re .910 or you’re not?” he’s shown in the games this year that when the team is playing well in front of him he’s definitely not a terrible goalie. when the team plays like shit he tends to get lit up. put him behind a decent lineup every night that doesn’t hang him out for 2 Jagr breakaways in every game and his numbers might come up.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Other NHL goalies face breakaways.
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Also I’d take .905 from Gustavsson.
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No chance.
I was lucky enough to be at the Caps game and directly in a visual line from the shooter to the Leaf net. The original shot appeared to be going middle of the net, if not far side but it deflected twice and ended up short side. Monster had no chance IMO
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by Muellercleez on Nov 21, 2011 1:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought it bounced off a couple sticks and skates. I didn’t have commentary (was watching replay on gamecenter) so didn’t hear what was said, but that’s what it looked like to me. So good goal.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 20, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
so basically, he stopped 100% of the saves he should have made, a few he probably shouldn’t have made, and missed 1 that was virtually unstoppable.
yeah, that’s a pretty good game.
god i wish he would just do that every game.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
He also tends to play well in games where the team plays well in front of him (NYR, Pittsburgh games his best of the season aside from this one). I almost think his confidence might be correlated between how well the team is playing and thus how much pressure is on him to perform.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 20, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that’s true.
he throws up stinkers when the team does as well, which is why it’s easy for me to defend him even when he does play badly.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well there are games (e.g. Florida) where he makes stupid mistakes that burn the team’s confidence, and games where he lets in softies where the team wasn’t playing great anyways despite a close result (e.g. Ottawa), but for the most part the trend does stick.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 20, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Aside from the .892 sure
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Fair point. but thats cuz he’s playing many games. based on the fact that " he can keep his focus once every 3-4 games…" I believe he can keep up his strong play if he doesnt have too hard of a load. and that sounds like a solid back up if you ask me. but then again you didn’t ask.
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I don’t think I’d agree with you there. Go pull Gustavsson’s numbers after having a few games rest, I’m not sure there’s a meaningful trend there.
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I’m not a stats guy but here’s my poor attempt at some stats analysis…Not including this year (because I don’t think that this year is enough to give a fair outlook on any of our goalies). his first year it appears that if he wins, he spirals and if he loses he spirals also. But looking at his stats last year, almost every single one of his wins came after 5-6 days off from work. He also just looks like he needs to gain his focus and the pressure kills him. If he has to worry about the previous game then that seems to effect his present play.
Ok that’s bad proof, and clearly I’m kind of speculating here. I feel that he can put up numbers that will make him a backup mostly based on the way he plays. What has he done so bad that you think he’s not even nhl calibre?
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League average for an NHL backup goalie is something like a .905. Gustavsson is significantly worse than that.
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Put up 75 games of .897 goaltending. Whether or not he might get better shouldn’t be relevant anymore. We’ve given him enough of a shot in the past 3 years and for whatever reason he can’t move past that.
It’s not worth the losses.
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He played pretty well last night maybe he’ll get better!!!
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Just spilt balling here… but I think in terms of gus, I think he has the skill to be a good goalie but I think his focus is off some games. To me, it seems like he focus on the need to win rather than just stoping the puck shot after shot. Last night it was clear that the win wasn’t something anyone was expecting so he concentrated on just trying to stop every shot.
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Just spilt balling here… but I think in terms of gus, I think he has the skill to be a good goalie but I think his focus isoffon some games.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 20, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
he sucks a lot more often than not.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 20, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Beauchemin was the Leafs’ best defenceman last year. He would certainly have made a difference this year given their struggles at that position beyond the top pair.
(I’d still, of course, make that same trade again 10 times out of 10)
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by Back In Black on Nov 20, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Best? Best how?
Best at giving the puck away? Best at getting robbed by Tim Thomas?
by c_gee on Nov 20, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Best at cutting down on the other team’s shots and containing their best offensive players.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Played the most minutes, played the hardest opposition, and was the best at pushing the play forward. When he left our shots against went up by rougly 6 shots against per game.
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by BCapp on Nov 20, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Remember how Jason Smith led the league in giveaways when he was with the Oilers? Terrible defenceman. I’m glad the Leafs traded him for peanuts.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 20, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
He played the toughest competition last year. Bound to get some turnovers there.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 20, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
According to April Reimer, this is Baby Optimus!!
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Scrivens on a prayer...
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by JP Nikota on Nov 20, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The best goal of last-night's game...
Was Steckel’s. (Although, the tic-tac-toe Kessel goal was jaw-dropping too).
What a statement that made. 7-1 thanks to a shorty from your ex-teammate.
It was also especially great for me cause at my local Leafs bar where I watch the games and play “Leafs Bingo”, I was one square away from a bingo (which gets me a free order of sliders). With the game going into it’s last minute, I just needed a short handed goal to be scored.
I don’t think the bar staff have ever heard a single patron cheer so loudly for a goal before… especially one that puts a team up by 6 goals.
Good times.
You could tell Steckel enjoyed it just as much. All the other players in the congradulatory scrum were like NBD.
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by A Lindros Jaw on Nov 20, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Joe Colborne still PPG player in the NHL. Enough can’t be said about Lupul and Kessel in full on beast mode.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 20, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions
Since the trade
Kessel + Lupul = 46 G, 98 pts in 48 GP
Ovechkin + Semin = 33 G, 72 pts in 42 GP
St. Louis + Stamkos = 32 G, 82 pts in 46 GP
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 20, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 17 recs
This should have all of the recs in the world.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel: inconsistently inconsistent.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Just an unexpected, phenomenal game. Gave me that little kid smile. A nice reminder of why it is worth it to be a hockey fan.
Of course, then Edmonton went and scored 9 on Chicago to show up the Leafs. Wonder where that debate is now on which team is closer to the playoffs.
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The crazy thing is
No matter how each of the teams got there, there is insane parity right now in the NHL… 6 points separate the 3rd place team and the 25th place team in the league.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/standings/?show=league
Outside of those bottom 5 teams, absolutely everything is still up for grabs
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They have the best GAA in the league right now. Getting insane goaltending.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
If the Leafs
win today, they’re back in 1st place in the East… seriously?
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 20, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ya but… more games played then a lot of Eastern teams. But technically, yes.
Of course, we haven’t won yet, so cart before the horse and all that
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
And, gasp, the Leafs could be back in first with a win tonight. Crazy, man.
by Brit Selby's Love Child on Nov 20, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I’m assuming you mean 1st in the East.
We’re 3 points back of 1st in the league.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
It’s Autumn and Leafs may be falling but it’s too early to get out the rake.
by Jack rides ducks on Nov 20, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Acording to sportsclubstats
Montreal’s got a better chance of getting into the playoffs than Toronto???
Though… for some reason, it also says that San Jose’s game vs Colorado tonight will affect that???
It’s partly based on goal differential, where Montreal has a better result than we do. And even though their record doesn’t yet show it, Detroit has some of the best underlying stats in the league (Boston is up there with them too).
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
5 on 5 GF/GA ratio has one of the strongest correlations with points %, and Boston currently leads the league in that area.
Detroit in 4th. Shockingly, STL in 2nd….weird
TOR is middle-pack with Chicago
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
According to that
We’ll end up in 8th place….
PLAYOFFS!!1
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
You should look at the "50/50" method instead of the weighted method
Toronto 62.2% vs. Montreal 47%
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Toronto2.html
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL/Eastern/Northeast/Montreal2.html
The other method is taking into account the records of the teams remaining to be played. MON probably plays more teams with worse records than TOR does going forward.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
In 50/50 it shouldn't, BUT
As I said, the weighted method takes into account the odds of winning the remaining games in the schedule, weighted by those teams’ record.
If, say, Montreal is facing Western teams with worse records than Toronto does going forward, the formula expects Montreal to win more games, thus giving them better odds. That’s just an example of a situation it could impact it.
If you use 50/50, each team has a 50% chance of winning each game going forward. That is, we have the same odds of beating Washington as we would Columbus.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Change it from weighted to 50/50
And Toronto has a higher chance. Our chance is slow based on our shitty GA/GF.
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If Gus would play like that every night he’d be one of the best in the league.
This is why some people find him so infuriating. It’s also why I find it so hard to completely give up on him. his numbers belie how good he actually is (or could be).
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta love when he gets in a game like this and reminds the Gus backers why there is a glimmer of hope yet. Hopefully he can build on this and RW doesn’t yank the rug out.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 20, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I really want him to keep playing like this. He’s a really fun guy to watch in net (albeit often scary)
by Holidays in the Sundin on Nov 20, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
the scary part is fun sometimes…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Not when we’re down by a goal.
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Nothing wrong with a little high blood pressure.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Nov 20, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Flashes of brilliance, flashes of incompetence.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Sort of like me playing hockey
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Anyone can have a good game. We can’t afford to roll him out anymore. Best of luck wherever he goes, he always gave it his all, and I like him. But his time in TO is nearing an end.
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Same could be said about Scrivens on his “Dr. Jekyll” nights
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
We need Reimer who seems to most consistent of the 3.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
the* most consistent
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
i think think Scrivens inconsistency in the bigs and gus’s game last night makes me think Gus stays when Reimer comes back. Or, it ups Gus’ trade value (to the point where he could actually be traded).
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
makes me think Gus stays when Reimer comes back
Honestly it’s a coin flip for me right now. 1 horrible game or 1 spectacular game shouldn’t be the defining decision for who goes.
Ultimately I think it will be Gus that stays just for sheer Asset management of the possibility of losing Gus on waivers while Scrivens is waivers-exempt.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
well, yes and no. Scrivens hasn’t demonstrated any more than Gus that he’s an NHL goalie. It’s also about making sure that Scrivens gets the development he needs.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Would the team retain a goalie that they are not confident can play as an NHL backup? If they plan on letting him walk at the end of the year, then waiving him now is not much different unless Burke thinks he can salvage some trade value by keeping Gus on the team. A trade hope would seem to be the only reason to keep Gus on the leafs.
Gus has no trade value. If they’re playing him to “raise his value” then Burke is a fucking idiot. And I’m pretty sure that’s not the case.
They should play him when he thinks they have the best chance of winning with him in net, or to give the better goalie a night off on a back to back or something.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
you don’t play a guy like Scrivens just because you don’t like Gus. you play him because you think he has a better shot at winning you games. to my mind, we still don’t know if he’s that guy or not.
their SV% is separated by .007 at this point…
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I was talking about Reimer/Gus when he comes back
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
oh. yeah no question. Reimer starts whenever possible.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Would the team retain a goalie that they are not confident can play as an NHL backup?
Pretty sure we already established that MLSE doesn't care about winning.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Nov 20, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I would be absolutely stunned if Gustavsson got claimed on waivers. Maaaaaybe on recall at half price, but no way does he get claimed at full price.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Burke Every tweet is a tryout
LeafsBB20 Brian Burke
Flattered by the enthusiastic response on Twitter. Will follow League guidelines and not tweet much on game days.
1 hour ago
Glenn Healy = Human sewage.
Scrivens on a prayer...
by Future_considerations on Nov 20, 2011 10:55 AM EST reply actions
does he realize 90% of tweets he get are going to be people trolling him?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Him and Kerry Fraser should have some type of competition in that regard.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
this..lol
LeafsBB20 Brian Burke
@simmonssteve And who on earth is Steve Simmons?
Glenn Healy = Human sewage.
Scrivens on a prayer...
by Future_considerations on Nov 20, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I think Ron Wilson should get a contract extension just for convincing Burke to join Twitter.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
in response to
simmonssteve steve simmons
So here’s the question: Is it really @LeafsBB20 Brian Burke on Twitter or is a team PR flak doing what he thinks is the right thing?
Love it
by Tothelinebutnotout on Nov 20, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
WE ALSO
WE ALSO NOW HAVE A BETTER PK THAN CHICAGO AND SAN JOSE! WOOOO!!
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- Niels Bohr
a couple of thoughts
Even if he only played 16:23 last night, I like the fact that Schenn isn’t standing out like a sore thumb as much anymore.
Nice to see Franson and Frattin get on the scoresheet.
Nothing is sweeter than seeing budding photographer Alexander Ovechkin getting shut down, -3, and I think he was on for Steckel’s shorty. Even when the crowd started heckling him, and he picked up his step for a brief moment, he was subsequently smothered. I love it.
LeafsBB20 (Brian Burke) Following:0 – seems oddly appropriate.
No monsters allowed.
Why would I follow anyone on twitter? I pay 9 assistant GMs to do menial tasks like that
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
It's come to the point
where I’m absolutely giddy just to see a 23 second clip of James Reimer practicing this morning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9682nfIXlc&feature=share
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
he looks sharp too.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
That’s just Reimer joking around with the boys:
Hey guys, check out my sweet Bryan McCabe impression.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rynnas getting crushed on the depth chart
@TrevorVanK
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Marlies goaltender Mark Owuya is 1st in AHL with 1.51 GAA and 2nd with 0.944 save %. A very strong start by the rookie goaltender.
Of course he’s only played like 6 games… still…. this looks nice:
http://theahl.com/stats/statdisplay.php?type=top_goalies
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Rynnas had a stretch that good last year too, didn’t he? Cool to see Owuya performing well, but way too early to be making decisions about the depth chart based on his few starts.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 20, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Nice little piece on Kessel
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;ylt=AjHWNdZIlV4zqtzScxeMoBd7vLYF?slug=nc-cotsonika-mapleleafs_kessel_scoring_ace_111811
Toronto Maple Leafs: All about the Lemon Grabs
Twitter
i hate the headline.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I know. so classic media to pull some negative twist on such a positive awesome story
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
he is consistent. but he needs to STAY consistent. consistently.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. It would be best if his consistent came at consistent intervals, otherwise the media could consistently find ways to say his consistency requires more work.
by Goosemonster on Nov 20, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Great article
We can’t trade Bozak. He basically does all of Kessel’s interviews for him and he keeps him happy
by Tothelinebutnotout on Nov 20, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Now those are intangibles I can get behind
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
But ya for sure, Bozak is definitely his spokesman
At the end of our interview, right after talking about the thank-you chants in Boston last season, Bozak made sure to add one more thing about Kessel, unsolicited.
"I think he loves it here," Bozak said. "I mean, look at him this year. He’s playing unbelievable. So I don’t think we’d take that trade back 100 times out of 100."
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been saying this all along. Also, I think Kessel’s performed best this season with Bozak as his C.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
CONFIRMED?
based on 5 minutes of research…
connolly: 6gp, 1g, 5a, 6p, 1.0ppg
no connolly: 14gp, 13g, 8a, 21p, 1.5ppg
interesting. Kessel scores at almost a goal/game when playing with Bozak and has a much higher PPG.
With Connolly, supposed to be the golden set-up man, Kessel has only scored once…?
well, that escalated quickly
by aelanK on Nov 20, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is that just on the games when connolly is healthy? cause last night for example he wasn’t on PK’s line.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
also worth noting
Lupul scored 4 goals in the six games he played with Connolly, Kessel assisting on 3/4
well, that escalated quickly
Ha
[Kessel] and captain Dion Phaneuf(notes) – a bold, outspoken personality – have the fiercest ping-pong rivalry on the team. Phaneuf, who is so serious he has his own paddle, admitted Kessel has gotten the better of him lately.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 20, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
whoa Phaneuf owns a ping pong paddle that must be nice
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What’s a good ping pong paddle cost, $50? I just think it’s funny an article points out that a multimillionaire bought a piece of equipment for something he apparently does a lot.
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Phaneuf also has custom made pool balls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Hl8ooeeps#t=110s
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But second-line left winger Mikhail Grabovski…
Yeeesh.
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by Grabovski's better than you think on Nov 20, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Y'know how tsn.ca will...
say something like “Blank is hot – 3 PTS in last 2 GP”.
How awesome is this?
by c_gee on Nov 20, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Maybe Leafs should be kicking tires with Rinne locked up forever
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lol Eric Staal trade rumours
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/43071-Internet-Trade-Talk-Staal-tradeable.html
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Best of luck with that. Oh, Kabby……
Staal has 8 pts in 20 games (i know this because i took him in the 1st round of my fantasy league) so I’m not surprised they’re thinking of a change.
Mind you, I would expect any trade of him to be one of those classic “three quarters for a dollar” trades.
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More gifs from last night
Not from last night but Friday.
by newfiecutie on Nov 20, 2011 1:08 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
urgh. why can’t i see these. this happens frequently for me lately. images aren’t showing up (work and home…windows and mac. can’t be a chrome issue, can it?)
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Can’t see em either for the record. Possibly a bandwidth cap or somesuch.
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
Image is broken for me too.
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I was trying to guess the forward lines for when we are 100% healthy but realized we have way too many people I’d like to see play than roster spots.
I’m guessing one of MGK or Bozak gets moved by the deadline or we pull a Beauchemin and trade Connolly back to Buffalo for Myers or something…
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Was at the game last night
Took a class mate who is a big Leafs fan from London who had never seen them play. Best first game ever!
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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Great to hear!
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by CanadianMaple09 on Nov 20, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Nice! Yeah he was ecstatic, it was so much fun. We tried to go to Bier Market after, but the line was nuts so we went to Scotland Yard.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Also
Franson looked good last night. My friend and I kept pointing it out to each other. He had a lot of smart stick checks, smart zone clearing, good skating, and good offense. We were impressed. We argued whether he or Connolly was the best player in the first.
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
He’s relaxed more now that he knows he has at least 4 weeks to show his stuff
But good for Connolly to keep passing him the puck on that PP
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Seriously. He has amazing hands and vision.
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When healthy, Connolly is really good help.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Nov 20, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get the Connolly hate. He’s hurt a lot but he’s been amazing here so far. We paid $4.75 for a guy who’s scoring points.
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Who was hating on Connolly? Pretty difficult to lose on a two year contract.
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Oh plenty of people. Ignorant ones.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Nov 20, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
closet case Sabre fans. I mean, I get people being upset at him not playing but they argued against his performance (“he will never be good here because he gets injured”) which was silly. If he plays 55-60 games and produces the way he has – fine by me.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Nov 20, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
They used his injuries as an argument for him being a bad player. Silly.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Nov 20, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
6 pts. in 8 games. Looks like a solid 1C with Lupul and Kessel. I’ll take it.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 20, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think Connolly one of the big reasons Connolly gets so much hate is because a lot of Buffalo fans didn’t think highly of him and Leafs fans have picked up on that. It’s the same with Lupul – lots of people have picked up on the Lupul hate the fans of previous teams have had, and they don’t like him because of it. No matter how many hits he throws, how hard he plays along the boards, how many goals he scores, there are still Leafs fans who think Lupul is a soft 2nd liner.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Also, every potential first line centre the Leafs ever sign or draft will be shit on if he’s not Mats Sundin, until we get another Mats. Which is why we need to steal Anze Kopitar.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 20, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks....for...the...linkage
Awesome night. More please!
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Nov 20, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions
The key to Gustavsson is that sometimes bad players play good games. Did he look good last night? Absolutely. It’s hard to look bad when you stop 40 of 41 and your team scores 7.
This isn’t a sign that he’s figured it out. Until he does this about five or six more times in a row he won’t drag his numbers up to “league average”. He sits at .892 this morning.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/gustajo01/gamelog/2012/
There’s his game log. Three games above .915 (average), five below .870 (horrific).
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my biggest issue is the constant attack that he isn’t ‘NHL calibre’. games like last night prove he can do it. whether or not he stays in the NHL depends on whether he can do it consistently.
he’s not a bad goalie. he’s a good goalie that plays badly a lot.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
What’s the difference? Even bad goalies have a good game occasionally.
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Gustavsson is not an NHL goaltender but I’m going to hang on to every glimmer of hope that he gives Leafs fans for as long as it seems he’ll be playing hockey games for the Leafs. I’d rather not see him play another game but I don’t really know what alternative there is.
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I’m delighted he didn’t blow it last night but you’re lying to yourself if you weren’t worried at 4-1 that he was going to start giving up goals on dump ins from the red line.
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Jeremy Williams scored a goal in each of his first three NHL games. Is he an elite NHL scorer who just isn’t consistent?
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depends. did he score on breakaways, or knock them in with his ass? sometimes guys get lucky. sometimes they dont’ get a chance. sometimes they collapse mentally. sometimes they play inconsistently. there’s no formula for human behavior.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think that James Reimer is the greatest goalie the league has ever seen then? He put up a .925 behind the Leafs D that hangs Gustavsson out to dry every time he plays.
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possibly. he played like it in the start.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
We have four goalies that have played behind most of our current D.
Giguere
Reimer
Gustavsson
Scrivens
Gustavsson is the worst of those four. Giguere put up a .900 with a groin so destroyed I’m guessing he could barely walk. Scrivens has an .899. Reimer has a .920.
Why are Gustavsson’s numbers the worst of the group? Do the Leafs only not play well in front of him every game?
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All the love because he now has the most wins among Leafs goalies……which ignores the point that he’s only won games in which the Leafs have scored 4+ goals and needed at least that many in 3 of those wins.
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oct 20, hung out to dry in Boston
oct 24, gives up two goals on breakaways to Jagr, and PK is terrible.
his numbers are horrible, but a little context is helpful.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 20, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I was talking about his performance in wins. That is called context. Here’s more.
He’s 48th out of 52 goalies with 5+ games played in terms of GAA; and 43rd in sv%.
Context.
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Context is that he also has faced the hardest teams this season, while Reimer has faced such powerhouses as Winnipeg, Colorado, Ottawa, and Calgary.
Gus also played Ottawa and lost. Colorado was #1 when we played them.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 20, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
anyway nevermind zooming in on specific games. After a season’s worth of starts over 3 years Gus is below .900. I’m sorry but these arguments that Gus is an NHL caliber goalie in hiding are starting to borderline on the ridiculous.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 20, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Game preview up:
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/11/20/2575841/maple-leafs-previews-leafs-vs-canes
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I’m trying to find it, but I can’t. does anyone know of a list of François Allaire’s goalies?
Roy, Giguere, Hiller, Gustuvson, Gerber, Reimer, Scrivens…any more actual NHL goalies who have been in the league a while that he’s coached directly?
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 20, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions
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