Here Are Some Articles Not About Sidney Crosby
by JP Nikota on Nov 22, 2011 7:00 AM EST
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PrintInstead, let's focus on how the Leafs have been doing over the first quarter of the season. Yes, they're in a playoff spot, and while that's fantastic news for Ron Wilson's job prospects, if all the teams beneath the Leafs were given a chance to play 21 games, we might be talking about an 8th or 9th place team. The boys better keep the pedal down.
Individual report cards were doled out yesterday by James Mirtle, and though I don't agree with all his assessments, there is one player that not even the biggest Leafs detractor could award anything less than an A+:
Phil Kessel: A+. Kessel’s numbers to this point speak for themselves. He leads the NHL in goals and points, is a plus player, is logging more than 20 minutes a night and is facing the other team’s top lines every game. At 24, he’s found another level to his game – one few knew he had – and along with linemate Joffrey Lupul, has essentially carried this team (offensively anyway) to the record it has. Kessel remains very reluctant to speak with the media but has definitely become comfortable in Toronto behind closed doors. While he can’t possibly manage to score on 22 per cent of his shots all season, 40 to 45 goals now seems a reasonable target.
I think it's nuts that Joffrey Lupul doesn't have an A+, and it's a tad harsh to give Nikolai Kulemin a D-, but I'll let you lot have your say. Remember, any angry artwork should be forwarded to:
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Come on Mirtle. Dupuis and Rosehill get higher grades than Kulemin and Frattin? I don’t think so.
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
Oh I'm sorry, has Kulemin dazzled you this year? I would have given him an F
Apologies if this comes across as harsh to some, but I’m putting Kulemin’s performance so far this season as “Godawful”
Blah blah blah physical presense, great defensive play… I don’t buy it. I have only seen short flashes of last year’s Kulemin.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
so being good defensively gets him an F? I mean his offensive game has been crap but he does get marks for the other side of the puck, he has always been a 2 way player and he is still doing one of those ways pretty good. if anything I give him a C-
Everyone is focusing on his offence way too much
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
The F was for dramatic effect
but he hasn’t STOOD OUT defensively either, just been decent.
Everyone predicted a regression with him, but this is supremely unfortunate.
I loved Kulemin last year, but I don’t feel the need to defend his play based on last year… he’s been bad.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
I still don’t think he has been write home about it bad, he’s been worse for sure, but his woes are being magnified by the total inability of anyone on his line being able to score too
Kulie always was the defensive minded one who was opportunistic with the chances generated by his speedy creative line mates
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
The thing that bugs me most is the one thing I (and most others) thought he had to do to raise his game was shoot more. He’s got a great wrist shot. Even he said in an interview that he knew that’s what he had to do.
And he’s shooting less than ever.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
His shooting has increased a LOT recently
Over the season he has 35 shots/21 games or 1.67 shots/game. However over the first 13 games (until November 3rd) he had 14 shots (1.08 shots/game). In the last 8 games he has 21 shots or 2.63 shots/game (which would be the highest of his career).
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I sincerely hope he’s coming out of his funk. I loves me some Kulemin.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Kule has had stretches of games wheres he hasnt been very noticable and others where he was all over the puck all game long but just couldnt buy a goal. Mac had a good stretch of 6 goals in 5 games and Grabbo started off better then last year statistically, but for some Reason the numbers just havent been there for Kule.
The guy has been solid defensively and is rarely, if ever, a liability on the ice. THings will turna round for him youd have to imagine
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 22, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
my prediction
Kulemin will get better throughout the year and peak just in time for PLAYOFFS!!!1
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Nov 22, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
My Hope
Is that your prediction is accurate, in more ways than one.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
His offensive game has been atrocious. No doubt about it. An interesting look at the line:
Kulemin’s GPG PPG
Last year 0.36/0.70
Career 0.26/0.53
This year 0.10/0.39
Grabovski GPG/PPG
Last year 0.36/0.72
Career 0.25/0.61
This year 0.28/0.56
MacArthur GPG/PPG
Last year 0.26/0.76
Career 0.22/0.52
This year 0.40/0.53
I think its weird that Grabbo is being praised and MacA and Kulemin are being the slow ones. MacArthur is ahead of last years GPG and his career PPG and GPG, only behind last years PPG. Grabovski is behind everything but his career GPG. Kulemin is obviously way behind. So yeah Kule needs to pick it up.
All that being said I just don’t think you can give the guy an F. While he has been putting up points like a 3rd liner, he is still playing solid defensive hockey.
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The F was for “Dramatic effect”, whatever the fuck that means.
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I gave him a C- for jazz hands
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
It's the title of chapter 1 in my book on "how to make friends and influence people on PPP"
I don’t expect it to get published.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Moreover:
Kulemin’s Rel Corsi is 2.5, which is still better than Kessel, Lupul, Connolly, Bozak, Lombardi and Armstrong.
Meanwhile, Kulemin is has a PDO of 986, while MacArthur has a 971, but Grabbo has a 1001.
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Hopefully he can come to life soon here, I dont expect Phil Kessels next 21 games to be quite as electeric as his first 21. We are going to need that 2nd line to put up points on nights Kessel adn Lupul dont score
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 22, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
nights Kessel adn Lupul dont score
I don’t understand this concept.
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those are the nights Phaneuf scores
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
As Mirtle states in the article, the grades are based on each player’s expected role. Kulemin & Frattin were expected to score. Dupuis and Rosehill not so much.
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Rosehill is on the team. F—
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He gets an A+ in “not Orr”, F- in “why are you on our roster”
Soooo C
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe this should just be pass/fail for guys like Rosehill… he’s not Orr, that’s a pass in my books.
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But then you have to give Franson a pass in being “not Leda”
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
then even Lebda gets a pass for not being “Leda”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Rosehill passes in his role. He’s not terrible, and the 4th line has been pretty solid, even in games we’re terrible in. Mostly with Brownie in though…with Orr they can’t even get a forecheck going because they just lose the puck.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
That’s the thing, when everyone was healthy and we could have Brown-Steckel/Lombardi with Rosehill on the 4th line, it wasn’t that bad. Rosehill-Dupuis-Orr… not so much.
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Yeah, I maintaint hat Orr has got to go. We need Kadri or someone offensive up here, not a useless meatsack.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
To be clear, you want Kadri to replace Orr as the 15th forward on the team.
Ooooookay.
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No, I want Kadri up on the 2nd or 3rd line, with Orr out of the lineup. We don’t need him taking up a roster spot.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Who shifts down to make room for Kadri, who shifts down to make room for that guy, etc, etc.
Obviously Kadri’s better than Orr. But is there a spot for him on the team? Show your work.
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MacArthur is back tonight I think… Kadri wouldn’t have a Top 6 role.
He’s back to putting up a decent pace with the Marlies too, I think 9 points in 10 games or something? 10 in 11?
Once he goes full Colborne I’ll welcome him back to the Leafs with open arms.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Sure:
Lupul – Bozak – Kessel
Kulemin – Connolly – Kadri
Crabb – Colborne – Frattin
Rosehill – Steckel (takes other faceoffs on any other line when required) – Dupuis
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
If MacArthur is back, send down Crabb, shift Kadri to Crabb’s spot.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I hope they send Dupuis down before Crabb.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
me too, but we both know it won’t happen.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
This is a year of possibilities – Komi, Orr healthy scratched, playing 7D, Gardiner at forward… I have an ounce of hope that they’re trying to ice the most competitive team.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
If so, I don’t know why either Orr or Dupuis are up here. Dupuis is a total non-entity.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Dupuis is a good forechecker, and works well on the fourth line. Sure he has no points, but that’s not to say he is useless.
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
dupuis is a terrible forchecker
he is decent on the PK and in his own zone but offers very little else
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree, the fourth line seems to push the puck forward more than they allow it to go in our zone. Sure, he’s not amazing, but i think he’s looked better than almost anyone in that role last year.
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
what does Boyce bring that makes him better than Dupuis?
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
faster, better forchecker, better offensively, just good if not slightly worse defensively?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
but not as good on PK, which we need.
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Dupuis is not good enough alone on the PK to make any difference what so ever
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just saying that we have limited options as far as decent Penalty killers go. Why send down a 4th line guy who we weren’t expecting to score any points anyways?
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
because we have a better 4th line guy?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Marginally better in some aspects maybe. Don’t get me wrong, I like Boyce, dude has shit-tonnes of Truculence, but I’m not totally sold on him being all that much better, if at all.
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t call him a terrible forechecker. But I am prepared to try Boyce or Zigomanis in his spot. Or when all are healthy just ditch him from the team and role Brown-Steckel-Crabb as our fourth line.
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Correction before people go nuts
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About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
You’re lucky Skinny doesn’t appear to be around at the moment.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I would actually feel OK about a Brown-Steckel-Orr line.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Orr is useless, except for serving as the opposing teams punching bag.
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
right, Orr is one of the best fighters in the league, he is more often the one punching the other players like a speed bag
while I agree he is useless from a hockey standpoint, let’s not say things that are wrong
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say he was a terrible fighter, but all he is good for is taking and giving punches. He’s useless as far as Hockey goes
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
you called him a punching bag, implying all he was good for was taking a beating
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, he’s like a punching bag with fists. is that better?
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
how would a punching bag with fists fight back? it’s still just a punching bag
where are it’s arms?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
One-third punching bag, one-third pummelator, and one-third sniper.
Until his 33.3% shooting percentage regresses to the mean mofo.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
It would have to run on some kind of motor as well.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, thrid try, He’s like a robot, who’s torso is made from the same material as a punching bad, but who can be programmed to……
Fuck it, i give up.
Orr sucks…
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, what the hell? I wrote “Orr” but in my head it was supposed to say “Crabb”. I might need a nap.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely do not support Orr playing at all. I think Crabb would be a useful 4th liner.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I like Crabb, and his legs.
Almost as much as Joe Bowen.
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah we should totally send down that guy who plays competently on the 4th line and kills penalties effectively.
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Ya, Crabb is great, you’re right.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
MacArthur?
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Frattin is better than Kadri right now. He doesn’t get bumped.
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Well we haven’t seen Kadri up yet. I’d argue hes a more dangerous forward than Frattin, but we won’t get a chance to see since they’re keeping Kadri down.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Since September 19, which was the Leafs first preseason game, Matt Frattin has been better than Kadri. I really dont know how you can argue otherwise?
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Based on Kadri’s previous games with the Leafs. Frattin is a great rookie, don’t get me wrong, but he got the spot partly because Kadri was injured and the decision was easy. Kadri’s had time to work on his game, I’d like to give him another shot. he’ll get it eventually though, I guess.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
but he got the spot partly because Kadri was injured and the decision was easy.
No he didn’t. It was known that Frattin won the spot over Kadri then he got injured
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It absolutely factored in to Frattin staying up through his pointless streak. They sent him down for a game or two to “help him get his scoring touch back”.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
yeah I don’t know where you’ve gotten this stuff… Kadri has been just as good
by Ben Schnell on Nov 22, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Tough to argue that Kadri wouldn’t have significantly more points than Frattin right now.
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We don’t know if he would or wouldn’t.
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He has one less point in 15 less game. He had 12 points in 29 games last year. It’s a safe assumption.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
There’s no argument that Frattin is more talented than Kadri offensively.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
There’s no argument that Frattin is more talented than Kadri offensively.
As in, it’s not true, correct?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
sure, you can speculate that, but then who at the beginning of the season would have thought Frattin would only have 2 points 18 games in?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Leafer was saying Frattin wouldn’t get bumped to the 3rd line. Well, Frattin is far more suited to that line than Kadri is. Kadri, if called up, should play on the 2nd line over Frattin.
Pension Plan Puppets
I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Don’t look now but Marcel Mueller has 14 points in 15 games for the Marlies.
If Frattin needs another jump-start in the minors Mueller could get the call to replace him.
Depth ♥
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No he shouldn’t. Last game he was one of the few players who played decent all game. If anything, Kadri goes there over Kulemin.
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Frattin isn’t generating any offense. That’s great that he’s playing well, be he can do that as a 3rd liner. Kadri can put points on the board.
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The main reason I’m okay with Frattin is that he’s generating a lot of shots. His sh% is awful (3.6%)
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
His sh% would be even lower if shots off the post counted as shots
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His sh% would be awesome if shots off the post went in inside
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. He would have 6 goals instead of one
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maybe we should make the net bigger for him
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Or devise more elliptical posts which would cause more shots to go off the post and in.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
off the cuff I’d definitely put Frattin on the 2nd over Kadri if Naz got called up.
If Kadri worked his way past Frattin, then I would switch them
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Frattin has looked good but he still has 2 points in sometihng like 18 games. I wouldn’t be against demoting Frattin for Kadri.
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I’m not sure whether or not it’d be a wash. I’d love if we could have our depth back and both could be on the Marlies.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
MOve Brown to the 4th line and put him with Steckel and Crabb
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Ohh ya. Derp.
Kadri – Colborne Crabb
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That or the KFC line, I can get behind. Good experience for the kids on a sheltered scoring line.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Hard to tell what the Leafs mean by “a bit banged up”
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
That’s how I interpreted Mirtle’s grading
by GettinGiggy on Nov 22, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Would be A+, but Orr has played 2 games in a row: F-
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Orr has played because his bones are all intact and because they have jerseys already made with his name on them.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
indeed, once they have a better idea of injured players timelines they will throw one or two on LTIR and make some call ups
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Orr is playing. FUUUUUUUUUUUU-
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1st off
Fantastic picture and caption
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Preemptive ONE TEAM to Leafer87
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by BCapp on Nov 22, 2011 8:17 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
I figured she would have spontaneously combusted due to excitement after last night.
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RE: Crosby
Well, it was nice while it lasted but, at this pace, Kessel will be 2nd in points and goals in about 10 games.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 8:27 AM EST reply actions
RE: Crosby
So tonight Kessel is going to put on a show, yes? Also, I’m kind of looking forward to when we play the pens and Crosby gets asked about Kessel.
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Why, are you expecting Sid to say something interesting?
“He’s having a good year, he’s a talented player, just gotta play our game and try to contain him”
by lucc on Nov 22, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe the concussion knocked the cliches out of his head?
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
life’s too short to speak in cliches.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Doubt it. Those have been ingrained since he was a toddler on blades. It’s a reflex for him to spit them out when a mic gets placed in his face.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Kessel had a 29 point head start on Crosby
But it already feels like a neck and neck race to the Art Ross trophy
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it should become a little closer for Kessel when Crosby settles into his real pace of 2ppg
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
They couldn't have chosen a better game for him to come back as well
Against the miserable Isles. On their 4th string rookie goalie. With a Pens team who was dominating even without him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
yup, a nice, soft opener.
still kinda scared about what he’s gonna do when he gets his timing to 100 percent
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
He may make people regret not picking him 1st overall in their pools even with the injury
He has over a quarter of the points that my 1st overall Ovechkin has and he’s played about 1/20th of the games
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 22, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Got Crosby in the 3rd round in the PPPPP2.
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really? wow, i thought he went late 1st round
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by Matt_Roberts on Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
It’s easy to say “wow that’s stupid” in hindsight, but everyone knew it was a risk on when he would come back, if at all this season.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
yep, I know a few people who took him in the 1st round of other drafts, but thats a huge gamble. As a 3rd rounder, well, I’m not very good at fantasy hockey anyway, so it couldn’t hurt
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His ADP ended up at 25th overall.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Keeper league is different, but for 1 year, if he’d missed say, 6 months?
Much better 1st round choices.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I haven’t looked at PPPPP2 since draft day when I inexplicably drafted 5 Flames. Yeah.
by theninjagreg on Nov 22, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Same thing happened to Feaster. I assume you sit bottom-3 as well?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Heh, last I checked I was 18/19, so that means someone is doing worse than me, somehow.
Malkin got injured and Cam Ward is junk and so is Kipprusoff. Also I left half way through the draft to get cake so that’s when the autodrafter went crazy.
by theninjagreg on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I’m in last. Staal and Kulemin are killing me, and because I’ve only got one starting goalie there are weeks where I don’t qualify for goalie stats because I’m not getting enough starts.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Who set up the rules for this league again?
by theninjagreg on Nov 22, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Whoever it was should have paid more attention to goalies during the draft.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Also, should have set it to Make League Publicly Viewable
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Like I need to lose in front of even more people.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’d probably be the only person to ever log in.
“The only thing more boring than my own fantasy team, is someone else’s”
Can’t remember who said that. I think it was Churchill.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
You were in the league last year, weren’t you?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
A few of those guys don’t seem to hang around here much, anymore.
Anyone know what ever became of my homie named L510? SBN seems to have deleted much of the archives.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
You’re winninjapeg jets? You haven’t been responding to anything!!
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Hahaha s’ok
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But mostly I dont want to trade you Malkin or phaneuf, so I ignored you.
by theninjagreg on Nov 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So reject the trade!
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I’m guilty of ignoring trade requests as well.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 22, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Drives me insane. Just reject them. Or if you don’t want to trade at all put that in your tag line or something.
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Can one of you link to the league page, so the rest of us can follow along.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think its private.
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Commish could change it if it is.
Link me and I’ll tell if it’s private or not.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
http://hockey.fantasysports.yahoo.com/hockey/19673
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draglikepull is the comish
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I cancelled the trade. You could have just said that though.
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I’m currently considering your latest trade offer. I’m 50/50 on whether to accept right now.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I actually felt really, really bad for poor nielson(?)
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Meh, it’s not like he had a ton of weight on his shoulders.
I’m going to feel worse for Reimer if he comes back for his first game (it might be the Bruins) and he just gets lit up. Now HE’S carrying the weight of an entire fanbase.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Nilsson, boo hoo, he let in 4 goals on 30 shots… not that bad.
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the rest of the islanders were just pathetic, it was like watching the Leafs of the Toskala era
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Crosby made both of those defenders look like useless pylons on his first goal, it’s appropriate that they were wearing orange
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 22, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I used that analogy yesterday about the Columbus team.
Makes me worried that they’re going to pull off a Phaneuf-esque trade with Umberger, Brassard, Huselius going the other way to some club. Hopefully Calgary for Bouwmeester or something.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
my god that would be amazing
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Calgary fans still have love for Huselius, sooo…..
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
It’s pretty clearly intentional. Crosby was skating full contact for weeks and went with the team on their road trip. I’m guessing somebody said “the team is rolling let’s bring Sid back at home against an awful team”.
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Memories of 1993? Isn’t that the year Mario scored 160 pts in 60 games, overshadowing Gilmour’s tremendous year?
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
yup
wow what a fucking year
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
no one is going to beat that without being a cyborg.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
only waynes 215 point season in 86 had a higher ppg
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Gilmour had an amazing year, but Mario was all “FUCK CANCER.” And cancer was indeed fucked.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Bob McKenzie prior to Crosby’s return last night
NIce history lesson for the young’uns
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Sidney Crosby
is the definition of beast mode
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there is beast mode and then there is going crosby,
it’s like going plaid
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
You never go full Crosby! Oh wait..i mean full Lebda
At this pace Crosby is ahead of Ovi by new years, right?
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by Mariusz Czerkawski on Nov 22, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
At this pace Crosby is ahead of Ovi bynew yearsnext week, right?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Haters gonna hate
But how can you not like Crosby, or think he’s a baby, or overrated?
by theninjagreg on Nov 22, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
some people are defined by their hate and cannot let it go. I mean if you are a Philly fan or a Wings fan, you can hate crosby because he runs your team, but the bullshit stuff that some pipe out is just delusional
its like Colorado fans who still think Yzerman is over rated, or Wings fans that think Sakic was a diving wuss all these years later
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
My wife was excited to see Crosby back, but she still doesn’t like him because he cross-checked Zetterberg several times in the back for no apparent reason at the end of a game.
by Chi-town leafs on Nov 22, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
My best man is a Pens fan though… so yay Crosby
by Chi-town leafs on Nov 22, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I remember that, it was after the wings spent the whole game taking cheap stick shots at him, Zetterberg had slashed him across the back of the knees about 20 seconds before during play
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but only Crosby got called out because he’s obviously a “whiner”, “cry-baby”, “poor-sport” while the wings roster is comprised of angels.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Report Card
I’m surprised by the "F"’s for Schenn and Franson. I would have given Schenn a D- and Franson a D. But I don’t think either deserve the lowest grades.
But I do agree with the Kulimen rating, the man is a shell of his former self. Something is wrong with him, either the Lokomotiv Airplane tragedy had a major impact on him, or his having personal issues with his family, or he’s playing injured…
Maybe he secretly hates MacArthur and last year he played his heart out to show Burke that they didn’t need him… but now that MacArthur’s signed, he’s given up.. maybe? no? ok….
My grades
Kulemin D
Schenn D
Franson D-
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by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 22, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think Schenn has been a bit better the last few games. I would give him a C or C- if it were a system where a B is meeting expectations.
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Unfortunately he was pretty bad for the first 15 games, so I don’t mind the bad rating for Schenn
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I get that, which is why I would say a C or C-, he’s at least a grade point lower than expectations, and hasn’t been very good, but at least he’s improving and isn’t a liability who makes the team worse.
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I might slowly come around to the Gardiner-Schenn pairing if they can grow together as a defensive pairing for a few seasons.
Liles-Franson… not as much.
Although I might be one of the few that still really likes Liles. But defensive stalwart he is not.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
That’s true, which is why Liles-Komi wasn’t the worst with Komi playing well. Sucks so bad for him to get hurt right as he’s getting his shit together.
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Which is why I’d be tempted to give Komi a B+. If B was the baseline expectation, mine was “sit your ass down in the pressbox and don’t fuck up too much when you do play.” He’s exceeded that.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
C+/B- (ie roughly 70) is average in Ontario.
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Last school I was at in the states the average was kept to a B to maybe B+. Had to work to keep it there or some profs would let it slide higher in pursuit of ratings / an easier time grading.
Grade inflation, etc.
Law school is weirdly different. I can’t speak for Western but Shield can; U of A will curve scores to a B/B-.
You can feasibly get a raw score of like 50% on an exam, and get a B-/B in the class (I have done this before).
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Out classes are all graded so the entire class ends up with a mean B average. In a class of 24 or less this is bumped to a B+. This means that if everyone in the class got 20/40 on a test, they would all get a B.
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Why is that WTF? They need to do it like this so the grades represent a comparison to other law students/graduates.
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I get what he means. Not a lot of post-secondary programs grade relative to everyone else. Social sciences/humanities do have a grading distribution, but it’s not rigid. Also, easier to give someone a raw score of 85% on a poli sci paper than a law exam.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah exactly, but I think the big thing is that law marks are basically used for employers to compare candidates. So there needs to be an average for the marks, that way it’s easy to say “Okay, so this person was above average at X law school”. If they just gave out raw percentages it would be almost impossible to compare students who either took different classes with different profs, or who are from different schools.
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I think this is the biggest thing. Its a professional school that’s pretty rigorously regulated, with end goal being to file out graduates into jobs immediately.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, if they just handed out raw grades, all the schools would just tell their profs to give out high marks to make their students get the better jobs, until eventually the grade distribution at any given law school would be like 90-100%.
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Well, law school is like high school, but it shouldn’t be THAT much like high school….
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on program/school I guess, but for me, waaaayyy more than undergrad.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Be prepared for a lot of gossip. A LOT. And not necessarily all of it is true, either.
But, I did some stupid shit when I was drunk last year, for example, and half of 1L knew about it within like a week.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting conversation thread. My daughter is about to embark on her undergrad with an eye to a future law school edumacation.
Things I’ll be able to warn here about…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Nov 22, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
It’s true. A guy in my class has great marks and does a lot of extra-curricular stuff, but didn’t get any interviews during the big Bay Street process. Nobody knows exactly why but the rumour is he has a bad reputation for behaviour in 1L at events, etc.
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My experience with that whole process here was that it was a bigtime crapshoot. Alot of the results didn’t seem to make a ton of sense.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely, a lot of nepotism and stuff like that too (though not so much as it apparently use to be like). But yeah, a lot of results didn’t make sense. I get it if someone is a bad interview or something, but some people who got interviews didn’t objectively deserve them over others who didn’t.
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It is in terms of the social aspect, everyone knows everyone and there’s little cliques and stuff like that. I find in general though everyone is friendly with everyone to their faces. It’s just a smaller community than undergrad because, at least at my school, there’s 170 people in your year and you have classes with almost all of them.
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Yeah that’s how it works here as well.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sciences
Tend to have a lot of multiple choice and other objective answers.
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I know. I meant the B curve/B+ curve for smaller classes.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
It sucks when you get curved down, though. Everyone in our LRW class got 80s last year. I had an 87 average or so, got a B.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, when you set a test, if you aren't sure how hard to make it
the advice is to err on the side of making it really hard. Students never complain if you curve them up, but they’ll cry like you stabbed them if you curve them down.
Curving down is dumb. When an exam is objective, like out of say 100 points and I get 85% of the answers correct, I would expect a score of 85. Curving down is like the instructor saying “I lowering your grade after the fact because I was too lazy for due dilligence before hand to make sure the exam was appropriately difficult.”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Grades are inherently subjective. What does 85% mean? It means you got 85% of the questions asked. If you’d been asked harder questions you would have got less than 85% and if you’d been asked easier questions you would have gotten more than 85%.
How is curving scores up any different than curving scores down? All it’s saying is that the questions were too easy (and so people did too well on them to discriminate the strong students from the poor), or the questions were too hard (and so people did too poorly to discriminate the strong from the weak).
You cannot logically claim that grades should never be curved down without also claiming that they should never be curved up.
Grades aren’t magic, and they aren’t some achievement that came down on plates chiselled by God, they’re just numbers that you use to summarize relatively better or worse performance in a course.
I like a plan d’etude that spells out precisely how many A’s and how many B’s the teacher will hand out.
School needs to be more pari-mutuel.
And I need to stop using so many francocisms.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
He has been making the team worse
The only reason he’s been in the lineup night after night has been because he was so much better last season. I don’t disagree with that decision, but based solely on this season’s games he’d have been watching more from the press box.
Schenn was expected to be no worse than the third best defenceman this season, and the fact that he’s been in a tie for sixth – behind players who really haven’t been excellent – is a failure.
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by Back In Black on Nov 22, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
To me
He was an F for ~15 games and a B-/C+ for 5. That averages out to some sort of D.
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dear lord, he has not been that bad
fuck
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think a lot of the expectations of Kulemin is that he’d repeat his past performance. Maybe that was unreasonable – maybe last season was an aberration and he’s a 20 – 20 kind of player? I hope he’s not, but maybe it’s not Kulemin that’s the problem, but it’s the expectations.
talent wise, Kulemin is a 25-30 guy easy, and he is having some offensive issues, but people are forgetting the reason he was so valuable to the Leafs and we loved him so much was that he was looking like a Selke candidate of the future player.
he is still performing as a defensive forward
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree but I get your point. I don’t think his defensive responsibility is making up for his lack of production.
If you’re in the top 6, you need to produce.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
right, but he still gets points for defensive play, thus a D+ or C-
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Ya we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
What the hell were you expecting out of Kulemin that 2-6-8 on 5.7% shooting is an “F”?
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As I said above the F was for dramatic effect.
I’ve been disappointed that he’s not creating chances like he did last year. Grabovski is a bit underperforming too.
The entire MGK line has been off, I just can’t point to a single reason why.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I can. Overpassing. So many times I saw them try to get cute in the zone and just ended up missing a good chance to shoot.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah they need to shoot more. PLain and simple
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 22, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Of course all the injuries/suspensions aren’t helping. They were together for like 81 games last year, only a handful this year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Mac – missed the first 2 weeks of the season with suspension. Now injured.
Grabbo – cheapshotted in preseason. Now injured.
Kulemin – unrealastic expectations from people who claim to understand what regressing to the mean is
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Out of all the lines, MGK’s line has played the most games together.
MGK – Mac’s played 15 games, all with Grabs and Kulie.
KCL/KBL – Out of 21 games, Kessel and Lupul have played 7-8 with Connolly, and the rest with Bozak (some games with both).
3rd line – A mix of Frattin, Steckel, Brown, Crabb, Lombardi, Bozak
4th line – Dupuis + whoever
Yeah i;m inclined to agree with you. 2 goals in 21 games is unacceptable from Kulemin. he’s been invisible most nights, quite disappointing.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
He shot at 17% last year and he’s currently shooting at 6% this year.
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It’s not the shooting % that bothers me.
It’s the # of shots.
And godamnit Hockey-reference isn’t loading this year’s stats right now for some reason.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
As I showed above
His # shots/game has increased dramatically since November hit.
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He’s still producing like a 3rd liner. Its not like he has 0 points. His production offensively is very poor and his production defensively is good.
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It’s not just the expectations.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Reading Langois' 40 thoughts
I started thinking – what if Jagr had actually gone to PIT?
Seriously how much more dominating could a team get?
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but that would not have been near as funny
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
That PP would have been the scariest thing ever. Put Letang on the left point in place of Sullivan, move Malkin from the wall to the right point and Jagr on the wall along with Sid at centre and Neal on wing. I shudder to think what they would do to our sad PK.
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by Mariusz Czerkawski on Nov 22, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Scrivens save% at .904. Not great, but it could be worse (e.g. Gus). If he keeps it up, how do they send him down and not Gus?
Asset Management or something.
If Reimer comes back, maybe he’ll just play every single game from here on out.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
They send Scrivens down to let him play another 40 games this yr. Hopefully he learns how to actually handle a puck. That and he doesn’t have to clear waivers.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
It punishes the Leafs though, by having a worse backup.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
and again: Leafs success >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marlies succcess.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
It has more to do with his development than Marlies success.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
But, is Leafs success (this season for 7 or 8 games once Reimer comes back) >> Leafs success (in the future when Scriv is a better goalie for playing more in the minors)?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Nov 22, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Scrivens will be worse off for playing 10-15 games this year (assuming we see him again later this year because Gus is banged up). He’s 902 sv% is not bad for a rookie, and while he’s looked bad on some goals, so has the other guys.
He’s 902 sv% is not bad for a rookie, and while he’s looked bad on some goals, so has the other guys.
.902’s actually not that great for a rookie. tons of good goalies have their best seasons as a rookie. (see Reimer last year). Plus, he’s looked bad on his own quite a bit. He’s looked almost Gustavsson-esque at times.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
tons of good goalies have their best seasons as a rookie. (see Reimer last year)
A) Prove it
B) how can you say Reimer had his best season last year?
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A) No.
B) I can see the future, obviously.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I believe lots of goalies have their best seasons as rookies.
It works like this:
Teams cycle in all kinds of prospects for a few games at a time. If one of them gets really lucky they go on a tear of great saves and are given a second season… at which point they regress to the mean, and are never quite as good again.
Picking players on the basis of exceptional performance in one sample, and then observing their perfromance in a second sample is the exact definition of how you get RttM.
First off
Scrivens has a 0.904.
He is 15th/32 so basically the definition of median. Unfortunately he is also a tie for 23-26th in the same group for age (25 years old)
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If you take out the max GP
He is 22 out of 41. So again he is about the median. However, he is again 29-34/41 for age.
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Effectively, he’s playing okay but time is working against him.
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But OK is an improvement over Gus/Gigure and he who shouldn’t be named, which were our backups over the last few years.
He hasn’t really been much better than Giggy. Giggy had a 0.906 in Toronto to Scrivens 0.904…
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But Giggy was consistently giving us between about .895 and .915 goaltending. Scrivens is either terrible of .925+.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I am not sure which you think is better…
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Thats also not true..
Giggy played 48 GP for the Leafs. in that time he had 22 games above 0.915 and 21 games below 0.895. He, in fact, only had 5/48 (10.4%) of his games in that range.
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Note
In 4 of his above 0.915 and 4 of his below 0.895 games he played less than 50 minutes.
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My bad, but Scrivens is, what 23? It’s different from when a 23-year old AHL goalie doing it in his first taste of the NHL and a 35-year old veteran with a Stanley Cup ring does it.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
He’s 25 and Giggy was 32 and 33 while on the Leafs.
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In other words
Luongo is the same age this year as Giggy was with us. Bryz is a year younger… Let that sink in along with their contracts.
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if you go back even further, you’ll see a bunch of names at the top of the list who were essentially never heard from again after their rookie year, or who became very average goalies.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
He’s either looked Gustavsson-esque or Reimer-esque with no real in between. I’d like to think it’s more his inexperience than anything, and with development, we’ll see more of the latter Scrivens.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Do what the Sabres did last year: Patrick Lalime Jonas Gustavsson is the every-game backup, and call up Scrivens and have Reimer in the pressbox on games he doesn’t start.
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It’s not a bad idea, really, although there are still some games left to evaluate before Reimer gets back.
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by Back In Black on Nov 22, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
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man, everybody is joining up.
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so whats he been up to since his show was canceled?
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by ChrisFromParadise on Nov 22, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
My report card for Mirtle
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 9:44 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Mirtle did fine
No one will agree with anyone elses assessment 100%.
But seriously, are people ready to give Kulemin a C or higher? Really? He’s on pace for 7 goals, adjust his sh% going forward to his career average and MAYBE it’s 12-15.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
It was a joke.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
You shouldn’t joke about someone’s evaluations at an arbitrary point in the season.
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I would have thought the terrible quality of my rebuttal would have made the joke evident.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
by the way love your tweet yesterday regarding Crosby’s pace last year after 21 games and Kessel’s this year. The dude is still not getting the respect he deserves.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 22, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
No he’s not, but that might be a good thing.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a good thing that he isn’t faced with so many Will he score 50-in-50 stories. Stamkos couldn’t even manage 50-in-80
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and with the return of Crosby he can just keep producing and not be the #1 attraction.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
My experience has been that the vast majority of non-Leaf fans are simply not acknowledging Kessel’s existence atop the leaderboard right now. They’re just pretending it’s not happening, hoping it’ll go away, so they can one day continue taking potshots at the franchise.
Must be true cause Jagr said so
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I get this sense from a lot of people to. Any attention drawn to that fact is rebutted by the “Seguin won a cup!” thing.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not even just Boston fans either, I frequent another messageboard (non-hockey related, but there is an ongoing hockey thread on there) and whenever the Leafs win and/or Kessel scores a sick goal, it’s crickets. There are a lot of Flyer/Devils fans on that board though so whenever Matt “25 year old Calder winner” Read makes a half-decent play, they go crazy.
Like I’ve said many times on this board, fuck every other team in the NHL.
Yeah, I have a friend who’s a Wings fan who makes those kinds of statements.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel, Sundin, Gilmour, Vaive….since the dawn of time, just about every elite player to don the blue and white Maple Leaf haven’t gotten respect from the haters.
Whatever. Haters gonna hate.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Miss the days of "E"s, "G"s, and "S"s
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
it's kind of funny
to go back and read this thread and others like it.
so much optimism for Kulemin. So much disregard for regression to the mean.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions
most people were predicting 25+, but they were referring to goals, not points.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Slow start and then losing Grabbo and MacArthur really doesn’t help.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I did say it'd be 20-24, and
“20-24: The averages will bounce back, but he’ll still put up decent numbers as well as being a dominating force on the ice”
But it’s looking a lot more like
“Less than 20: He’ll return to shooting 11% and become more of a 2-way winger”
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
yeah. which a lot of people chose, actually, but then Burtch pulled a classic “you guys are all idiots!”.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
i think people expected regression to the mean intellectually but were not prepared for it emotionally.
or the extent of regression.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Brought to you by.. the guy currently shitting all over him, and irony. Sweet, sweet irony.
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Ha ha, well played.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
how am i shitting all over him? and why is it ironic?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
He means me.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
No, not you, cheapshot. He’s the one who wrote the fanpost.
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ah. i haven’t been following the thread this morning.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
What kind of idiot wrote that
In my defense, his Shots/60 and TOI have dropped like a rock.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
no no. the article is good. your prediction of 23 goals was probably realistic.
others in the comments were saying they’d hoped he would get to 40.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I said 23-27. With this slow start I still think he can crack 20. His shots/game are up since the start of November and I would guess he gets his shooting percentage up to about 10.
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I’m hoping he can get to 15. 20 might be optimistic.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
He’s been shooting 2.63 for the last 8 games. If he can keep that up and shoots at his career 11.3 for here on out thats 61*0.113*2.63=18 goals.
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Mirtle’s rating’s seem inconsistent to me. I can’t tell if he is rating player relative to expectations or relative to the role they are playing on the team. I’ll do that here (note to Amurrrrrricans: I am using B- (70) as an average).
Forwards
Name Relative to Expectations/Relative to Role
Kessel A+/A+
Lupul A+/A+
Connolly B/B (B+/A- (if we judge him on his healthy days)
MacArthur C+/B-
Grabovski B-/C+
Kulemin D+/D+
Frattin B-/D (making the team but questionably so is more or less where I expected him. However he really isn’t producing as a 3rd liner (now second liner).)
Lombardi A-/C (Making the team was a huge surprise to me. Playing a little below a 3rd liner).
Bozak B+/B+ (I am judging him as a 2nd/3rd liner. His defensive game has impressed)
Steckel B+/B- (I’ve been impressed by him and I think he is performing average as a 3rd/4th liner)
Brown B+/B-
Orr A+/C- (He gets an A+ for not playing)
Rosehill B-/C- (He is what he is)
Dupuis C-/C (His defensive game is good but no offense is to little even for a fourth liner.)
Defenseman
Phaneuf A/A
Gunnarson B+/A
Liles B/B
Gardiner A/B- (Well ahead of what I expected, typical number 4 defenseman)
Franson C-/C-
Komi B+/C- (Way better than i expected, perfroming below appropriate though for the position)
Schenn C-/D+ (my expectations were probably lower than most. Hopefully his last 5 games are a sign of more to come)
Goalies
Reimer- B-/B+ (What I expected, but performed well)
Scrivens A-/B (Being able to handle a regular starter load is more than I expect, and his performance has been around backup level (good for 3rd stringer (0.904)))
Gustavsson C-/D
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The problem with Ontario schools?
They’ve taught you people that 70 is “average”.
Passing grades for everyone!
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Man, I went to a private school, "average" was like 82 or something
So ridiculous. Gets you in to University, but it’s a bit of a wake up call when you get there.
Even still, Undergrad averages are pretty high
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I was in the “gifted program”, our averages were in the mid 80’s. about 4 people in my high school grad class had averages over 110%
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I hated those people i mean i got solid 85-90s by being lazy, who the hell works so hard in highschool they surpass 100?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I had 102 in OAC Algebra.
So stupid. Every test had a bonus question.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I had a 105 or something halfway through OAC Calculus and then didn’t study again and skipped half the classes, finished with a 90
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Is an 80 in Canada still considered an “A-”?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
This was a big adjustment when I moved to the US. While I was an “all A student” in Canada if I maintained all my grades above an 80, in the States, that was an “all A-B student”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Must be why I hear so many people talk about GPAs north of 3.5
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Well if an 80 gets you an A-, and an A- corresponds to a GPA of 3.7, then it makes sense that many people I meet claim to have scored a 3.5.
I scored only a 2.2 or something, but in my defense, I am not very smart.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Here is the GPA breakdown at most Canadian Universities
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So for Quebec schools, that use letter grades, an A- is equal to 3.7
But you don’t get an A- for a score as low as 80%
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Whats an A- than? 90?
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85, usually.
But I think the point of letter grades is to give profs latitude. Maybe a math teacher gives them out for an 87, but a social science type might go as low as 80 or 83.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I did my undergrad at UVic. They had a 9-point scale (9 is an A+, 8 is an A, 7 is an A-, etc…). Weird adjusting to what everyone else in Canada does for law.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, GPAs in Canada are messed up. In the US, your GPA corresponds to a percentage, not a letter grade, so regardless what people would consider an “A” or “B”, GPA doesn’t change.
I believe it’s something like 100 gets you a 4.0 and then it goes down from there where every .05 incrament equals 10 percentage points. 3.5 = 90%, 3.0 = 80%, etc. etc.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Serious question.
How is expressing your GPA as some score between 0 and 4 easier than expressing it as a percentage out of 100?
My High school and uni both used the percentage system. Anything else seems confusing as fuck to me.
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The idea of the GPA is basically the same thing as the letter grade. Its that there is no difference between a 77 and a 79 so they tried to make the intervals smaller…
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my parents wouldn’t send me. I’m not sure how I feel about it now.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
In my program at Western most averages were around the mid 60s or so. Although once you get to the Senior Honors courses it went up a little. Even still you only had to maintain a 70 for “Honours”, which is a pretty low bar.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Western was horrible for averages, I remember one proff bragging to the class that he was proud of us for having a standing average of 76
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
The classes with the lowest averages were the big 2nd year survey history courses over 1000 enrolled and low 60s as the average.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I got a 60 once in Uni, it was a mandatory stats class that I went to maybe twice and didnt do half the projects
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
i once got a 24. Yeah.
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18 myself! didn’t turn in one essay and failed the midterm. Course he handed out the midterms back AFTER you could drop the class so it wouldn’t show a mark…
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 22, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I had two courses that were requirements for an accounting degree that had nothing to do with accounting or business; Earth Sciences and Poli Sci. Both courses were done in the summer.
I went to one Earth Science lecture the entire summer, and that was only because we were going to the beach right after.
Got the 60 I needed and enjoyed my summers.
The moral of the story is dont make students take courses they couldn’t possibly give less of a shit about.
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79 in Distance Ed Astronomy
85 in Distance Ed History of Music
Finals worth 80% of the total grade.
Great summer.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
I had a yearlong pol sci course in 2nd year that had two main projects and the final exam. Well, I straight up never did the 2nd semester project, totally forgot about it and it was never mentioned in lecture so I didn’t even think about it. Realized my mistake 2 days before the exam, calculated that I currently had a 24% in the class and had to score an 85% or higher on the final exam in order to pass with a D-. Went in and wrote the exam as best I could, and in two weeks my mark was posted online… D-. Only time I was ever congratulated by my parents for getting a mark that shitty.
If we did a better job at giving high school students a well rounded education I’d agree, but I think there’s something to be said for making sure people with a University Education take a few courses outside their main area of study.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
In theory. In principal people take “easy courses” and don’t learn anything.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
The standard rules at Western for an honours programs
Are first and second year courses between 68-70, 3rd year 73/74, fourth year 77/78.
But then you have programs like MIT where they had to crack down on the faculty because they had averages in the mid-high 80s
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
And in grade 12, teachers do everything to help you succeed in private school and all that. I think I gradded with a 91% average. It was insane.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
96.5% yo, man OAC was great.
Take 12 classes to use on University submission, they take the top 6.
So much win. OAC was awesome.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Ha ha, my classes used for University admission included “drama” and “religion and society” what a joke.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
My buddy got into university even tho he failed OAC English but got an 80 in OAC Writers craft
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Had to use English (which I had 81), but the other 5 were Calc, Algebra, Finite, Physics, Chem
Non-subjective courses you could get ridiculously high grades.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Drama, Film Studies, Communication studies, Law, Philosophy and English = 85% average
most of that was on a victory lap
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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I rocked a victory lap as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
/OAC group high five
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I was after the double cohort, but my schedule was easy. 6 classes, and aside from AP Econ and Data Management, barely needed to work to do well.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
true story:
I failed data management TWICE. well, one time i just stopped going to class because i was already accepted to uni.
that’s why I normally skip over the math posts.
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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
This sounds eerily familiar. Are you me?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
not that I’m aware of
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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Burtch will be angry and sextuple-post your ass now.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
You know what the funny thing is? That was my favourite math class. I just wasn’t a fan of homework and my partner for a project stopped going to class so I got screwed over.
the second time I just realized i didn’t need it and stopped going to class too. hmm.
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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
University gave an entrance scholarship based on your average, I asked several teachers to bump up my grades to get me a few extra grand. I was a good student so they did. I bet that happens a lot.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I got an entrance scholarship but had to maintain 90% in Uni to keep it.
Definitely lost it after 1st year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Ditto
Stupid English prof cost me a few grand cause I wouldn’t play her game. She wanted weekly “journal entries” submitted, which were to be worth 10% of final grade. Three or four weeks in she asked me why I hadn’t done any, I told her I’ll just work on 90%. She didn’t like this, and then every friggin grade she gave me for the rest of the year was 55.
by Bobby Paradise on Nov 22, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand people like you.
I’ve had three similar university courses that wanted weekly journal entries. In one class, it was solely marked on completion. You could vomit out words and still get the free 10%. About half the class didn’t do it. The professor looked so perplexed each week as maybe 15 out of 40 people handed in entries. You might say it’s stupid or a waste of time, but these combined with the prof’s remarks really made the final essay a breeze.
Also, virtually all of my MA classes had a weekly comment/entry system, which would be used for mid-class discussion. It actually is useful here.
Yeah, it’s funny seeing how profs make it easy for students to pass the course, but people just choose to fail. I work at a University and I see it every day walking through to my office.
Yep.
Also, there’s just ridiculous quantities of evidence that students do better when they work on things steadily over time rather than trying to do everything at the last minute, so some smart profs try to force the students to do more regular work by demanding evidence of ongoing effort – things like work journals. And you’d be amazed the number of students who, handed this gift of thoughtful and competent teaching, manage to completely screw it up.
Not naming any names.
Hated English, mostly due to subjectivity of marking. Got 95 in my first semester class, was doing a science degree along with working full time. I was also 18 years old and truly didn’t give a fuck. If I had been more mature I would have done the work, but I liked spending my study time at physics labs and math, and my free time with video games and booze. You couldn’t have paid me enough to spend half an hour a week writing about my thoughts and feelings.
Maybe the quality of my writing really slipped during this course, maybe she didn’t like my writing style, or maybe she held a grudge. I passed the course with a low mark and never went anywhere near an English class for the rest of my post secondary career. It worked out fine for me other than having to pay for my next 3 years so I guess I have no regrets.
by Bobby Paradise on Nov 22, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
You’re talking to a guy married to a literature PhD so there’s my bias up front.
I understand lots of people don’t get it, and that’s fine, it takes all types. But “it’s too subjective” is a bit silly – Michaelangelo’s David is a stupendous piece of art, better than the uneven play pot I made when I was 12, even if there’s no way to quantify that… You can still talk about why, and how, and what makes the one better than the other… what Michaelangelo achieved… you just can’t put a number on it. That’s frustrating for students who want to memorize the approved list of right answers and get 92% on their test, but doesn’t mean that trying to figure it out and think about it isn’t an important and valuable activity that makes you a better and more well-rounded human being.
I concur. My writing professor in college was so subjective (i.e. harsh) when it came to grading my work. He was on a mission from the beginning of the semester to prove that (and I quote) “engineers are bad writers”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe. Or maybe your writing just wasn’t that good.
It’s a weird thing, when you get a stack of papers to grade and you start reading through them it’s clear that some are better than others. It’s often hard to explain what makes one better than another, but you can see the difference, and if you give it to someone else they’ll tend to see those same differences.
It’s like when you watch movies, some are clearly just better than others. But WHY are they better? How would you take a mediocre movie and make it better? Sometimes there are identifiable flaws, but other times it’s just not that good – kinda dull, characters just aren’t that interesting, somehow the plot doesn’t quite work…
I was the Grade 12 class of the Double Cohort.
Since nobody knew what was going to happen and some people were paranoid that the universities would discriminate against Grade 12s, a few of my teachers overcompensated and bumped up our marks.
Our physics teacher used a different marking key for everyone for the midterm grades on our application. My grade was reported as an 80 in that class even though I actually had, at that point in time, a 64.
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Also, it’s not just Ontario.
Apparently Universities discount Quebec grades by like 15% because of the ridiculous grade inflation.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I fully endorse this decision.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
In my experience, everyone coming into Quebec from Ontario boasted high grades, then were shocked to see such high failure rates.
Almost everyone I knew failed more than one course, but the local students accepted it as the norm after seeing such high dropout rates in high school.
Ontario graduates far more kids from high school, and they even had to stay two years longer (one year, these days).
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
In the early 90s, Quebec saw a dropout rate of 17.4%. It was probably higher in my day.
These days, Ontario sees only a 7.8% dropout rate. Seems to me that Ontario is the one inflating grades.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Probably a good thing to have lower drop-out rates, no?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Plus the Ontario Curriculum is a weird mish-mash of levels that are then translated into grades. It’s not just the cumulative average of all the assignments by a given student.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Not saying that flunking more kids is necessarily a bad thing. Just that my grades in Quebec were hardly inflated. (I probably need to tell myself this to look myself in the mirror)
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
- good thing
or a bad thing, for that matter.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, also just that grades aren’t necessarily an objective measure of a student’s ability either. It’s tough to compare across provinces because of the differences in curriculum and expectations etc.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I heard on the local news here in Kingston last night that there’s an area in the North part of the town where the high school drop out rate was roughly 52 percent.
That doesn’t really have anything to do with anything, other than the fact that its awful.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Luckily, the North part of town offers more jobs at fast food restaurants near the 401
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
This is very true. Pretty alarming though. That seems like one hell of a high dropout rate.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
You’re approaching Burtch levels of replies to one’s self.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, fair enough. Had me some confused there for a second.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
There is a difference between averages and drop outs.
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You don’t think they are correlated?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
They are but they are different points. Lowering averages could very well be a good thing. Increasing drop outs is not.
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It works wonders for the adult education pay-to-learn schools.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
and they even had to stay two years longer
Huh, did I go on through life not knowing Quebec only has 11 grades?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Most of those “discounting” stories are urban myths.
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If I were a university admissions office the first thing I would do is standardized all scores within each school (so your grades would be translated into “better or worse than average at that school”), and then I would add in a small bump or a knock to those schools based on how good they generally are (first year university average of students from that high school). That way schools can grade inflate all they like and it won’t make a difference. If one teacher at a school does grade inflation that would help their students, but only at the expense of other students from that same school.
true story
there was an article in the Walrus a few years back. the author tried to find a single case of a student flunking out of university. he couldn’t find one.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
sorry, flunking out of a Canadian university. schools essentially refuse to tell students ‘you don’t belong here’.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not the polite “Canadian” thing to do, eh
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Love it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
What do they think they are, a business or something?
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
your $5000 tuition makes up about 1/10000th of a university’s annual budget
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Depends if its a research university. Non research universities are very different.
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most Canadian universities are “research” universities to some extent.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Canada doesn’t have the system of elite liberal arts colleges that America has. We have research uni’s that are every bit as good, but we have almost nothing in the way of teaching-intensive universities where you go for a tight community where you get to know your professors intimately… The William and Mary’s of the world. There’s possibly a few things that are semi-close out on the East Coast, but not nearly so elite.
I’ve heard Bishops is like that (its in Quebec, which is close to the East Coast so you may have been referring to them…)
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Bishops, St. Mary's, maybe Xavier
have that general kind of vibe… but there aren’t very many of them, and they aren’t nearly as elite… You have to be a really good academic and a FABULOUS teacher to get a gig at Knox college. The Canadian versions are way down on the academic food chain. They don’t have near the amount of money coming in to them, and they don’t have near the cultural cache.
Science undergrads in the US and Canada are very different. I took one liberal arts credit (a philosophy course) my whole way through.
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liberal arts colleges != science free
It’s not about the topics you study, it’s about the near total focus on the student experience. As a prof your job is to know the students really well, to the point of socializing with them, knowing them personally, having tiny classes, etc.
I meant science programs at any university in Canada vs the states.
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In the States in a biology program there is more of a focus on taking non science courses the first year or two. For example I never took English in my undergrad.
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In the States your education is far more diversified. You take a major, that’s about a quarter of your courses in the US, but about half of them in Canada. When I did my subject GRE tests I cleaned up and so did everyone else I knew because a) we went to a pretty good school, but b) we had also taken twice as many courses on the subject as the Americans it was normed against.
Commerce was 90 credits, with only 18 non-core electives.
BA Economics was about 50% core.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
B schools are sometimes a bit different
because it’s not a major it’s a whole different affiliation. You study commerce and you get a full program of finance and accounting and marketing and management.
You study sociology or chemistry or something, and in the states you’ll get far fewer courses in that one major than in Canada.
FWIW I have sympathy for the American system. There’s something to be said for a broader education.
England goes to the opposite extreme. Here you start specializing in high school, and then when you take something at college you take pretty much ONLY that thing.
IMHO I rank these systems as:
Canadian > American > British
Thats what I was referring to
At western to get an honors specialization (basically the same thing as a major at other universities) you need to take 9-10 of your 15 credits in years 2-4 in your core.
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Science also does tend to fail students, at least in the lower level courses. Basically, a way to weed out classes of 300 and ensure only the serious students make it to upper year.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I got kicked out of school.
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My roommate told me last night his roommate passed 2.0 (of 5.0) courses. They gave him a one year suspension.
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suspension. but they didn’t kick him out.
they never kick anyone out.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
University or college?
They kick people out of college all the time
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wait, your roommate’s roommate? isn’t that your roommate?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Or, it’s actually BCapp….
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
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by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
At UVic, lower than a 2.0 (C average on the 9-scale) gets you academic probation for a year. It’s only if you do worse than 2.0 again the next year they kick you out.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Unless you take sciences or engineering, unless you don’t do the work, failing is impossible. Even crappy social science/humanities assignments can still get you a C.
And when people in sciences fail at sciences, they don’t flunk out. They just switch degrees.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t think most people should pass school?
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Most? Sure.
All. No fuckin way.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently I got out of high school before it turned into a complete joke.
But no, I think the education system does a truly abysmal job preparing kids for the realities of the real world.
Universities and future employers couldn’t give less of a shit how special you think you are, and won’t give you infinite chances and never-ending extensions to do your work. They fail and fire your ass respectively.
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The education system isn’t necessarily the sole cause of that attitude, these kids have parents.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
DING DING DING
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Fully agree parents shoulder a large portion of the blame.
The education system still bent over and held its ankles.
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True, but again, if students don’t see any success they aren’t going to stick around school and learn anything at all. So some coddling does serve a purpose. At the same time there are plenty of bright kids doing just fine who don’t need any coddling.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
I’m of two minds on this.
The compassionate part of me understands what you’re saying and recognizes that some kids just need more help than others, and that the school system needs to do what it can to help them succeed. Because when those kids succeed in life that’s where teachers really get the satisfaction out of their job.
The vindictive asshole part of me remembers every douchebag who he went to school with who a) couldn’t have cared less about their future; and b) went out of their way to interrupt/ruin the process for everyone else there, and thinks they should just be told to go fuck themselves.
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Ha ha as a teacher I can assure you that that is an ongoing dialogue in my brain.
The only thing I’d add is that with kids that young it’s not really their fault that they could care less about their future. Sometimes it is, but often there are so many other issues that contribute to it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Parents shoulder the significant majority of the blame.
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by JP Nikota on Nov 22, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I was more thinking highschool and elementary school.
But one thing that drives me insane is late policies. You can’t hand things in so goddamn late in the real world and have “5%” taken off. You get fired.
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CHildren in elementary school are not allowed to fail.
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I was thinking of in University. I have friends who literally hand in essays they have 10 weeks to work on a week late because they started it 2 days before it was due and barely get penalized.
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If it makes you feel better it was probably a really shitty assignment anyway.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Haha sometimes. The worse part was that they say “I had no choice I had so much stuff due!”, but if you spoke to them near the end of September they would have said they had nothing to do. The lack of time management is insane!
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I hated those jerks who got “1% off per day late”
Gimme a break. If you don’t get it done by the deadline you got a 0%.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
There is no late marks anymore in high school. When I was in high school it was like 5% per day for 5 days, then you fail. My g/f’s brother graduated 2 years ago, and for his last 2 years of high school you could hand something in months after the due date and get no marks off.. so stupid, didn’t do him any favours for university.
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Again, this rule is often bent and not 100% enforced.
But at the same time if a student is going to fail a course, but then makes up the work in the second half and it’s good enough to merit a passing grade is failing them and making him take the course again really the most desirable outcome?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
That is often bent to the extreme.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Not all.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Cmon Mirtle..Keep this up and you’ll be getting a “Who on earth is james mirtle?” tweet before too long
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Crosby: 2 goals in 1st game after sitting out 10 months with a concussion
Gomez: 2 goals in last 65 games (including playoffs)
Also,
Colton Orr: 5 goals in last 65 games
Jay Rosehill: 2 goals in 49 career games
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Its like Crosby is the best player in the world or something.
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Obviously
But the point is how laughably unproductive Gomez has been lately, especially for a $7.5 mil guy (I know, Sather contracts shouldn’t count) who’s supposed to provide a ton of assists and chip in a goal every 7 or 8 games.
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why?
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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
no I meant why in the god damned world would the Leafs want Scott Gomez?
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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
exactly, how sad is it that an enforcer pressbox type is more desired roster addition then a supposed top 6 center
Key word “supposed”… why would we want a crapbox like Gomez in our top 6 when we have at least 6 better players for that role?
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now that is sad that the leafs would not trade orr or rosehill for gomez
I just don’t understand this man
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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Key word “supposed”… why would we want a crapbox like Gomez in our top 6 when we have at least 6 better players for that role?
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but why would we want to trade them for gomez. you make absolutely zero sense all of the time.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
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Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Look it reflects pretty badly on gomez or any top 6 forward when another team would not trade their scratched enforcer for him.
Glenn Healy makes better observations then you.
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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
there will be enough time for everybody after Glenn Healy!
No monsters allowed.
by A Lindros Jaw on Nov 22, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not if you don’t stop healy from talking about how much the Leafs suck and how our goaltenders should be better (despite him actually being a terrible goaltender)
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you keep asserting he’s a top 6 forward? Also, he makes a lot of money, I don’t think he gives a shit.
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Historically he was a top 6 forward (#1C).
He has produced like a top 6 forward.
He is paid like a top 6 forward
Habs expected him to be a top 6 forward.
2nd liners get 7 mill a year?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Malkin is probably a top 3 C in the league and Vinny top 20 maybe 25. They are “second liners” based on situation not skill.
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Of course he was. He was never worthy of his current contract, but he has been a PPG player. He was a first liner at one point in his career.
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“Was, has, is paid like, expected”… none of those are “he is a top 6 forward”.
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The first rule of Leafs club is that you talk about Scott Gomez.
The second rule of Leafs club is that if you talk about Scott Gomez it must be to mock him.
"Hey, Gomez!"
♫ “If anyone can sleep through the game and miss the net …. that lazy Gomez man, can.” ♫
.
“Gomez!”
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then why are you saying he’s a supposed top-6 center and better than Orr and Rosehill?
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WATER IS WET.
SKY IS BLUE.
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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
It’s than.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
You are better at grammar than jeffgm
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
You still aren’t making any sense regarding your initial comments about trading Orr or Rosehill for Gomez.
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This is not clear?
It reflects pretty badly on gomez or any top 6 forward when another team would not trade their scratched enforcer for him.
No, it’s not. What’s the point of that comment?
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See, most teams WOULD NOT trade one of their top six “skilled” players for a scratched “enforcer”, that’s someone who is valued less for hockey skill, and more for being physically aggressive.
Some people around here enjoy relishing in the misfortune and ineptitude of certain “rival teams”, this comment would fall under that jurisdiction. These rival teams include, but are not limited to the Montreal Canadiens. That’s the hockey club that this Scott Gomez player is a part of.
If I can help clarify in any other way, please let me know. Thanks.
No monsters allowed.
by A Lindros Jaw on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I see my comment was written from pity for Gomez. I feel sorry for his situation and overjoyed he is on the habs. But wow – that was fun.
is scott gomez the next matt cooke?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
does matt cooke run goalies?
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
does matt cooke have a mouth?
Resident Internet Tough Guy
by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
does matt cooke play hockey?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
The Socratic method is a form of inquiry and debate between individuals with opposing viewpoints based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to illuminate ideas. It is a dialectical method, often involving an oppositional discussion in which the defense of one point of view is pitted against the defense of another; one participant may lead another to contradict him in some way, strengthening the inquirer’s own point.?
What if God was one of us?
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Nov 22, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Did you know...
… that if you say “Jesus” backwards, it sounds like “Sausage”?
The more you know.
No one ever suspects the butterfly...
Is it right to buy a Chrysler
come on!
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
QUESTION FAIL
Can’t we forgive him, seeing how he is a Sens fan?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
It’s kind of like how I forgave you for answering with:
“Like he runs his mouth. Period.”
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t know the recession came to this. Buying Americasn to use them as transportation?
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
His initial comment was written as if he thinks the Leafs would be dumb not to trade Orr or Rosehill for Gomez, I don’t see how that’s mocking the Candiens.
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I’m not wearing my Leaf hat to work because I had a client meeting :(
I know that it’s overly superstitious but it’s been the case all year so far then when I wear the hat, They win.
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A – Can’t you just take the hat off for the meeting?
B – If client doesn’t appreciate Leafs hat then fuck ’em
by Bobby Paradise on Nov 22, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I thought religious headwear was protected under s. 2(a) of the Charter….
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I like the Leafs chances tonight. They played well against both PHX and NSH who play a similar defensive style as TBL. Tampa has less defensive depth, and Roloson is real old.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions
All should fear the 1-3-1
It might take a Kesstastic performance to break through
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Nov 22, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
From JP’s scoring chance data:
The Leafs probably deserved better than the 4-1 loss to Nashville. They played a relatively quiet road game, and wound up out-chancing their opponents 12-7 overall, and 8-6 at even strength.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Against league average goaltending, the Leafs would have scored 3-4 goals. Meaning at least one point.
Rinne stood on his bloody head.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Percy signed
http://twitter.com/#!/MapleLeafs/status/139011821368655872
3 year entry level deal
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So how does that work? I count 53 SPCs, with 3 guys already subject to the slide rule.
Does this make Percy the new number 50, or is he number 50 for a milisecond, then joins McKegg, Broll and Crescenzi?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
He is in the OHL so his SPC doesn’t count
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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The #Leafs have signed prospect Stuart Percy to a three-year entry level contract is.gd/jXcgCM #NHL
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jonasTSN1050 Jonas Siegel
Clarke MacArthur appears ready to return tonight. Skating on a line with Tim Connolly and Nik Kulemin this morning.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
For our sakes I hope that line actually gets something going.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Open to Suggestions
I’m going to the Red Wings HOF game tomorrow against the Flames. Got a few questions.
1. Anybody have any suggestions as to somekind of witty sign I can bring along to takes jabs at Calgary (most likely refering to the Fleecing Burke pulled on Sutter and maybe even correlating it to the Fletcher Fleecing back in 92-93).
2. Should I wear my leaf jersey to drive home the point (think is something I’m kind of against — wearing the jersey to a game of a team that’s not one of the two playing in that game)?
3. Does it really not matter because it will be lost on the crowd at the Joe.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions
I think it’s a bit of a party foul to wear a jersey of a team that isn’t playing, but that’s just me. If I were you I’d just wear a Leafs hat and if any Calgary fans chirp you then you can just profusely thank them for Dion until they stomp their feet and walk away.
will there be Flames fans in Detroit?
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I’m sure there will be some. I mean, last game I went to was against Columbus and I saw some blue jackets fans. I mean, I know Columbus is a lot closer geographically to Detroit than Calgary, but seeing a BJ fan was unique cause I didn’t know they exist.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
seeing a BJ fan was unique cause I didn’t know they exist
There must be at least a few BJ fans on this site.
by TheCeej on Nov 22, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
badumching
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I knew I was inviting that when I typed; my laziness overcame my better judgment in that moment.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Red Wings HoF?
Osgood is like the Mark Howe of that shrine, in that he should have been inducted years ago.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
? Actually, they’re honoring Howe and Micky Redmond.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Weird. I’d have thought that Osgood got in three years ago, and now they were onto Draper and Maltby.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe they want you to have been retired for a certain amount of time like the normal HoF? Osgood, Draper, and Maltby all retired either at the beginning or end of last season.
by Chi-town leafs on Nov 22, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Making Gordie wait this long is downright snobbishly exclusive.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Micky “I can’t stay on topic to save my life while calling a hockey game” Redmond?
He does make watching Wings games hilarious, they spend 30 seconds talking about what’s going on in the game for every 5 minutes they spend talking about composite sticks, and stories from 30 years ago
by Chi-town leafs on Nov 22, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Well this is promising:
http://viewfrommyseats.com/2011/11/nhl-original-productions-ross-greenburg/
Not followin' @JPNikota on Twitter? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
lol DGB
After several small-market teams face a sudden financial crisis when the Leafs begin withholding their revenue sharing payments, Gretzky tells Gary Bettman, "Gosh, I guess it would be really annoying if someone didn’t pay you the money they owed you."
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/11/22/some-great-expectations-for-the-maple-leafs/
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"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
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by Redonred on Nov 22, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bergfors is on waivers
Thats friggin hilarious
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Might be worth a stint on the Marlies?
No monsters allowed.
by A Lindros Jaw on Nov 22, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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you can’t pick someone up on waivers and then send them down to the minors. The whole idea of waivers is to keep players in the major leagues. If you try and send them down, they would have to go back on waivers.
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 22, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Right. That was pretty stupid.
No monsters allowed.
by A Lindros Jaw on Nov 22, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I thought it’d be interesting to see how he did this year. Turns out the answer is apparently “not well.”
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
How injured are the Marlies?
Would it be worth it to bring him in to play there? Would he even report?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Nevermind
Ignore that, was thinking stupid EA sports rules where you can put ’em straight into the minors.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
sportsnetbroph Mike Brophy
James Reimer on ice with Leafs and looking rather good.
!!!!
by Huey2k2 on Nov 22, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
RAMA
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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For the record, I came first
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
IF HE PLAYS IN ANAHEIM OH BABY
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will bring my Optimus Reim shirt just in case he does
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
oops
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by Brit Selby's Love Child on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I missed this article a week ago
But some behind the scenes on Dougie
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Good News Everyone
For too many years the Phil Kessel page at Hockey Reference has been sponsored by noted Bruins fan and Kessel underrappreciator, Cornelius Hardenburgh. His reign of terror has come to an end!
I took it upon myself to sponsor the page on behalf of Leafs’ fans, and Kessel lovers everywhere!
YAAAAAAY!!!!!
The sponsorship allows us a to post a message. The one there now is a placeholder until we decide on a fitting tribute to Phil.
So I have two requests.
The sponsorship was not free. I have already pledged $20 dollars, as has Chemmy. So I need your help in recouping the remaining $44. You can send me the money via paypal in whatever amount you can. Go here and send whatever amount to dpatrickgray@hotmail.com. Mark it as a gift.
Second. Respond with your suggested entry for Kessel’s page. We’ll either vote using recs or we’ll pick the one we like best. It can be changed throughout the year as well.
Get to it!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 12:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
what was the previous sponsorship message?
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
Psyched for Seguin. Nuts for Knight.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
what, no “Hard on for Hamilton”?
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
He somewhat forgot about it, I’d imagine.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Phil Kessel: Ultimate Sniper
(this comes from a disagreement a fellow Leafs fan and I had with a Habs fan and a Flames fan. Basically my friend said something like “Kessel is the ultimate sniper” after he scored a great goal, and the Leaf haters freaked out)
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I once got into an argument at the bar with Habs, Flames and Oilers fans by saying the Leafs had a better offense than the Habs, and but for goaltending (before Reimer), the Habs were about equal to the Leafs.
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
It confuses me how this is subjective. Leafs GF/G = 2.90. Habs GF/G = 2.52
????
elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
Habs fans can’t come to terms with admitting the Leafs are better than they think they are and that Carey Price was the only reason they sniffed playoffs last year.
TWEET AT ME BRO
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Simple.
They picked him last.
SO HE BECAME A GOD.
by Be26 on Nov 22, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 19 recs
This one is in the lead thus far.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
For anyone who’s been interested in my posts about puck possession time:
I missed the first period of the Washington game so I need to go back and watch it to finish up my numbers for that game. I’ll be tracking possession again tonight, so I’ll have a piece up tomorrow evening with results from the Washington game and tonight’s game against the Lightning. My Internet connection made me miss large portions of the Carolina game, so I’m not going to have any numbers for that one.
Since JP has finished with the scoring chance numbers, here are the update numbers for that game:
TOA – 0.619
Corsi – 0.639
Fenwick – 0.613
Scoring chances – 0.538
Scoring chances obviously not lining up nearly so well with the other numbers for that game.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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needs more graph
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
HennyTweets Paul Hendrick
James reimer is about talk with media in tampa…good workout today. Mathew lombardi is 3 to 4 weeks away says ron wilson.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson started Reimer tonight just to mess with everyone’s heads.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions
It was 7-10 days from Friday, so I doubt we’ll see him until the Anaheim game at the earliest, most likely first game of December.
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
is tampa in florida?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Nigel: want to hit Kings – Hawks on Sat. night?
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Why do the Leafs go all the way there and not play the Kings?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Have you been to a Kings home game yet?
elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
I went to see Kings-Leafs at the Staples Center last year. One thing about the US: chicken mcnuggets are so cheap!
Um, yes. 50 for 9.99? Sign me up. Went to Cali in August, couldn’t believe it
But I’m curious, what was the atmosphere like in the arena?
elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
Sat in the upper bowl… thought the atmosphere was decent. Fans were knowledgable. Quite a few Leafs fans were there. Scarborough Wayne Simmonds scored for LA; Kessel scored. Reimer got the W.
No. This year I’m going to hit LA, ANA, SJ, and PHX. The only arenas I won’t have been to will be:
Northeast: BUF
Atlantic: None
Southeast: CAR, WPG, TBL, FLA
Pacific: DAL
Central: STL, CLB
Northwest: MIN, VAN, CGY, EDM, COL
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I’ve never been to Jobing, but I did see a Yotes home playoff game.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty curious which one will have the craziest atmosphere.
elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
I think I’ll try and hit VAN CGY EDM WPG in one fell swoop at some point. I can pop to Denver and STL for a game easy enough from here.
That leaves NSH, BUF, MIN as places I’d actually like to see a game. Can try and hit Sabres one night Leafs the next to make that easy.
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From what I’ve heard, Leafs @ Sabres games are absolutely nuts
elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
they are. I’ve heard of some fights that put the current Habs/Bruins one to shame.
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
putting this on my to-do list
elephant shell
never question our ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - yardly
With both teams competitive i expect it to be better than one up/one down
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
I expect Pierre McGuire to be better than Ray Ferraro.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Buffalo is a great place to see a game. I actually like the F’N Centre more than the ACC.
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
It was pretty fun when I went, other than the fact the Leafs got murdered and Andrew Peters (I think) pulled that golf swing bullshit.
by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Do you fly a lot or really like road trips?
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Get a Leafs-Sabres game in Buffalo.
It’s easily one of the best arena experiences the NHL can offer.
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
yeah. one thing that sticks in my mind is concessions are fairly priced and the staff in the arena is fantastic.
tip for getting out drive west away from the rink (and the traffic), go down to the river and follow that to get on the freeway, avoids traffic every time
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
was thinking that when I first checked the schedule. I’d be up for it
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 22, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
@stevetilley Steve Tilley
Loblaws has covered up the iconic blue maple leafs on the roof of the old Gardens. Seethe, Leafs fans!
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Probably forced to. We wouldn’t want to get confused about who actually plays hockey there.
Offizielles Mitglied des Müller / Holzer Fan-Clubs. Ich fordere mehr Deutsche in diesem Team ....... wir brauchen Greiss.
Now what will ACC patrons look at from their helicopters?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
It’s our fault really, we’re a bunch of sheep for shopping at Loblaws, until we stop going to their stores and buying their food they’ll never care about playoffs since they’ll still be making money. 1967. Wait, what was I talking about?
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Okay, so Turris is signed as per Dreger twitter, but there are conflicting reports about whether this is for a trade or to stay in Phoenix.
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Does he have any right not to play for them now that he is signed?
Offizielles Mitglied des Müller / Holzer Fan-Clubs. Ich fordere mehr Deutsche in diesem Team ....... wir brauchen Greiss.
Nabokov didn’t play for the Islanders last year.
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
True, so he would just delay the start of his contract.
Offizielles Mitglied des Müller / Holzer Fan-Clubs. Ich fordere mehr Deutsche in diesem Team ....... wir brauchen Greiss.
Turris to Maloney
So, If i sign this I’m a Leaf right?
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like a trade is very likely, but Maloney said he wouldn’t trade him without a contract in place.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
He signed for an AAV of 1.4M.
Ridiculous
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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One week to go. That Maloney plays hardball better than me on my Sega Genesis.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Better than Keanu Reeves trying to pay off a gambling debt?
Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.
Perhaps ...
But not as good as Federale Keanu infiltrating a group of bank-robbing surfers.
"These balloons aren't going to stay filled till New Year's!"
"Those aren't for New Year's... those are my everyday balloons."
by Isosceles Kramer on Nov 22, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I only watch Keanu’s Oscar-calibre films.
“Dude, you must permit me to treat with skepticism anything you have to say about her. Woahhhh”
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I regret to admit that I also recognized that quote. Actually, I’ve probably seen all of his films except the Matrices.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
As far as I recall Point Break swept Oscar night. Including Best Documentary
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by Isosceles Kramer on Nov 22, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yesterday I had a half-decent meatball sandwich. True story.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
You haven't seen Matrix 1?
That is an awesome film and you need to get out for it stat. The last 2 are worse than worthless, but the first one was genius.
Great game. Great.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I threw away all of my bulky RBI4 cartridges when Hardball came along.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
If he was holding out for money, awful deal. If he was holding out for a trade, maybe the money was never an issue.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think his agent has said it wasn’t about the money, they were asking for $4M to get them to trade him
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
maybe someone offered the Yotes a deal they were willing to take. Could explain why this is happening now.
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Do we want him at 1.4M? Isn’t 1.4M exactly what we have left?
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I say yes if they take either Komisarek or Gustavsson.
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Why would Phoenix do that?
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Maybe if we ask nicely?
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
For Turris they likely want a good prospect like Kadri. Maybe Blacker? Or possibly even someone who can contribute now like MacArthur. Not sure it makes sense for the Leafs to go after him.
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by Draglikepull on Nov 22, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Probably Kadri+pick, but I’m just guessing
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
lol but phoenix thinks so lowly of turris that they gave him 1.4M… now they want a nice prospect for a player they think is worth 1.4M? can’t have it both ways… unless they’re slimey bastards
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Have you ever heard of negotiating? Its a business. Just because I think somethings worth x amount of dollars I still want to get it at the lowest possible price
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Yeah but I’d be pissed if I were Turris and they end up trading me for something worth much more than 1.4M after arguing all this time I was worth only 1.4M just so I would sign… won’t look good on the Phoenix organization either
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Why would Turris be pissed? He gets his wish and thats to be traded. In fact, signing for so cheap will help in that regard
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Because he could have made 2.5M (or whatever every other team thinks is a good deal) and still gotten traded. Him signing so low only benefits the Phoenix organization.
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Him signing so low only benefits the Phoenix organization.
Ya and?
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He seems to think that Phoenix needs to sign contracts that benefits not only Phoenix but other teams as well.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
It was sign or dont play until next season.
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He wants to be traded, I don’t think his primary concern is screwing over Phoenix… if anything he’d probably like to screw them over as little as possible so he seems like less of a jackass.
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Like, come on, he doesn’t want a dozen angry Coyotes fans booing him whenever he visits his former team.
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So, all of them then?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Nov 22, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
it benefits him in the way that Phoenix can trade him for almost anything to any body (say draft picks/prospects and a 3rd pairing D) without adding massive capspace by having to take back salary
so he can readily be traded to any team in the NHL even ones pressed right above the cap
this gives them more flexibility and turris more likely to get his wish to get out
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
It benefits him in the sense that they probably wouldn’t have traded him unless he played ball with them. Also, with a lower salary more teams will make offers which will get him out of their quicker.
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You may be shocked to learn that T is for Truculence’s pulled out of the air valuation for a Turris trade isn’t indicative of anything currently happening regarding a Turris trade.
Time to roll up the “Jump to Conclusions” mat.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll open the bidding at Filatov.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Ottawa acquires Turris, promptly sends him to the AHL.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
then calls him back while he’s midway through the flight
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Err, Filatov, that is.
Turris has a horse’s face for a face, but little Nikki has me reconsidering this whole pederasty thing.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing what he has done in the past we’d be crazy to give a roster player up for this guy. It’s a prospect (not named Kadri) and a pick. Otherwise the price is too high.
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Cap-Geek says we have 0 space left.
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Komi is on LTIR, no? he’s out 2 months.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
they haven’t put him on LTIR as far as anyone has mentioned
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
That seems stupid, what, is 2 months not long term? Are they magically healing his arm in a week?
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
/shrug
both him and grabbo should be on LTIR
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Burke should take lessons from Gillis on how to work that cap space.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Aren’t we paying some guy big bucks to do that already?
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Well then that guy should have been sending Scrivens down to the Marlies every time the Leafs had an off-day.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, when we brought him on-board I thought BB said that this would be the type of thing that guy was going to be doing for us.
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Or maybe we dont know all the finer points of the CBA
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I think it only counts game days. (non-game days are counted based on what happened in the most recent actual games).
Not sure, but Vancouver keeps sending down Matt Climie on off-days.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Had to look it up, but it’s Claude Loiselle.
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I thought he was just the Don Maloney type, who hardballed all the MacArthurs.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ya we all knew that already
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JFJ was doing this with Colaiacovo for a little while.
Maybe that’s why Burke isn’t doing it.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t LTIR actually only clear cap space if the player misses the remainder of the season?
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It provides a cushion for any salary over and above the ceiling
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs are currently enjoying about 300k worth (pro-rated) on somebody.
Maybe even a boat Komisarek.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
bahahhahaha. I wouldn’t trade Kadri alone for Turris.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
hell I wouldn’t trade Blacker for Turris. But that’s because I don’t want Turris unless he comes for near free.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Then the Leafs won’t get him. Phoenix just spent three months playing hardball with this guy. They’re not going to turn around and flip him for a bag of Toronto pucks now that they finally got him under contract.
I personally don’t care either way. But if the Leafs pick him up it will be very much out of the Anthopoulos playbook.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
But if the Leafs pick him up it will be very much out of the Anthopoulos playbook.
Really? How?
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Picking up talented players who have fallen out of favour with their team.
Sure, how talented Turris really is is debatable, but so is Colby Rasmus. He had a terrible year in St. Louis and was not that great when he came to Toronto either. Might still work out, might not. And the Jays had to move a LOT of components to land him.
And yes, there is context, blah blah blah, but there’s always baggage when you target such players for acquisition.
Clearly, the only reason the Leafs would try to acquire Turris is because they believe he is such a player, a player with pedigree and potential who needs a fresh start. It’s not because he’s scored 30 points in 110 games.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I personally don’t care either way. But if the Leafs pick him up it will be very much out of the Anthopoulos playbook
What? AA has been good at trading for very very talented players who are perceived as having bad attitudes for one reason or another.
I don’t think Turris is as talented as his draft stock suggests.
But the BCHL is almost as good as the WHL.
Worst ever CSS pick for first overall.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
he has like 30 points in 110 games. (rough guesstimate). Kadri’s rookie pace was higher than that.
by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed….it would have to be damn cheap….I’m thinking we sign Lebda and flip him for Turris.
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Has Columbus not given a full-time contract yet?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
IMO the only reason anyone cares about Turris is because he was drafted so high
I don’t want anything to do with him unless we are trading junk to get him, and that won’t happen so I am more than happy if he is never in a Leafs uniform.
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