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That wasn't lightning. That was Phil Kessel.

Who: Toronto Maple Leafs (11-8-2; 24 points; 6th in East) vs. Tampa Bay Lightning (9-8-2; 20 points; 12th in East)

What: Game #2 of the 2011-12 Maple Leafs Empty Arena Tour

Where:The Sunshine state

When: 7:30pm on Sportsnet; Centre Ice; Gamecenter; other totally not illegal streams

Why: Because the NHL wanted the Leafs to feast on Dwayne Roloson's rotting carcass before I feast on Thanksgiving turkey.

Star-divide

Expected lines:

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel

MacArthur - Connolly - Kulemin

Frattin - Colborne - Crabb

Rosehill - Dupuis - Steckel

 

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf

Liles - Franson

Gardiner - Schenn

 

Gustavsson

 

 

Lecavalier - Stamkos - St. Louis

Malone - Moore - Downie

Shannon - Connolly - Purcell

Pyatt - Thompson - Hall

 

Brewer - Hedman

Bergeron - Kubina

Clark - Gilroy

 

Roloson

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Never seen that movie and I never intend to, but that’s a clever one. Rec.

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by JP Nikota on Nov 22, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a rec

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

And on the topic of Subjective Grading in English/Writing Classes

I agree with you, and I would believe him if it weren’t for the fact that for all of our writing assignments we would peer review and my partner that semester was this one girl who’s writing was very poor. She repeatedly would score higher while making various grammar and spelling mistakes.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

perhaps. Who knows we weren’t there. People’s feeling towards students will often bleed into their evaluations to some extent I’m sure.

In fact, they’ve done studies where you take the same essay and attribute it to a guys name or a girls, and the guy will reliably be graded a little higherl

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

By male and female profs, alike?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Think so. Steroetypes are like that. Old people also show non-conscious prejudices against old.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW, not just profs

you can do the same thing with students.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you happen to have a reference? That’s an interesting finding.

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

oh, it's an old one.

umm… Not sure I can find the exact cite (though it’s been done quite a few times I think), but for a review check out Kunda & Thagard, 1996 – Psychological Review, 103, 284-308.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks muchly.

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This reminds me of the old David E Kelley show ‘Boston Public’, where an older teacher was just blindly marking tests without looking at them. Another teacher asks him if he’s going to read the papers. The old teacher replies, “No, by now, I know if someone is an A student, or a B student, or even an F student. I don’t need to waste time reading them to know that.”

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The sweet embrace of cynicism that comes with old age

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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Some profs might also “identify” better than others with certain styles, etc. And it’s not just in writing courses either. I had one particular prof for a course in discrete math that marked me wrong on an exam for using “x” as the variable in a polynomial when he used “r” as the variable in the class example. And the workings and answer I had were correct. I believe he gave me 3/10 for the right answer. I wonder if people who used “r” but didn’t have a clue how to solve the problem got 7/10…

by Bobby Paradise on Nov 22, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the profs “identifying” with certain writing styles. I had a prof for 2 courses last year and they were my two best marks, I strategically took a class with him each semester this year and have gotten above the class average on both papers we’ve done so far (with minimal effort).

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I also had profs that really liked me and even submitting sub-par work would get me top grades. Not really fair, but I was glad to take it.

by Bobby Paradise on Nov 22, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That's just poor teaching

unless there’s some very good pedagogic reason why you want people to use a certain symbol for a certain unknown (which I can’t imagine here) this is just arbitrary and silly. The world is full of people who are bad at any given job, and that includes teachers.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy was unbelievably arrogant. Told us in class one day that he prof who wrote the textbook for the course was an idiot (he was in the same faculty and to my experience a great prof). Said if we solved problems using the textbook method instead of his, right or wrong he’d fail us. I complained about him but that never went anywhere… They actually wouldn’t take an anonymous complaint and wanted me to talk to him face to face. I chickened out on those terms cause I wasn’t sure if I would cross paths with him again.

by Bobby Paradise on Nov 22, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

well I’m glad they wouldn’t take anonymous complaints. That way madness lies. But I’m sure this guy got trashed in the regular course evals, if he was this big of a dick. Maybe he was a research star so it didn’t matter, but most departments take terrible reviews in those things somewhat seriously.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess I can understand the anonymous complaints from students with an axe to grind… And I’m pretty sure lots of people had issues like mine based on hearsay.

Before I sound too much like a bitter prick, I’d better say that I loved my time in university and most all other profs I dealt with were great and added to the enjoyment of the experience.

by Bobby Paradise on Nov 22, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I recall complaining once about the way a question had been marked when I was an undergrad. Can’t remember any of the details of it, just sitting in the office of whichever prof was in charge of undergrad affairs. The guy backed up his prof, which I think he pretty much had to, but lordy knows if there were quiet warnings afterwards to not do this sort of thing in the future. Or maybe they thought I was just wrong and being annoying. Who knows.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

*whose
:P

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And because of my haste, I must now take the walk of shame. The professor was completely justified in grading me poorly.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Peer… review? You mean back-scratching?

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My reply to Wan Ihite on "Curving":
It means you got 85% of the questions asked

Exactly. And the rest:

If you’d been asked harder questions you would have got less than 85% and if you’d been asked easier questions you would have gotten more than 85%.

is all hypothetical. How can you even begin to reason about anything like that? For the record, I said nothing about rounding up. It’s just as illogical as rounding down, but I mind it less :D.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

It’s just true. If I ask you harder questions you’ll get a lower score. If I ask easier questions I’ll get higher scores.

You can quiz people on Leafs knowledge. Ask people on Yonge street when the Leafs last won the cup they’ll score near 100%. Ask them what year Bester had his best save percentage they’ll score very poorly.

Does that mean that the people you asked the first question are smarter than those you ask the 2nd set, or that they know more about hockey? Nope, just that you asked them a harder question.

If you’re setting this as a test for a course you want to try to ask questions people will get about 75% right (assuming 70’s = B, and that’s what average you want)… and sometimes you hit high, sometimes you hit low. Sometimes you also get an unusually smart or dumb class, but that’s why this stuff is sometimes as much art as science.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Bell curving makes the exercise seem like a race (because what matters is your rank within the class), when in fact putting a bunch of students in a class together is just a matter of convenience; everyone has to learn on their own track.

Not only does bell-curving create a disconnect between stated expectation and evaluation, it also causes the strange situation where a student theoretically benefits from being selfish and retarding others’ learning (you’re better off going to an office hour on your own than encouraging ten people to show up for a study group).

I’m not saying it can’t be done, particularly as the class size increases past ~100, but it probably should not be used for small classes at all.

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Bell curving also saves your butt when the entire class fails an unecessarily hard midterm

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, sure, but unless the class was pretty thick that’s a pretty clear example of a teacher giving an unreasonable evaluation and trying to correct for that. If bell-curving can be limited to “covering one’s ass” then I don’t think we need to have a big debate over comprehensive policy.

My problem is with the concept that every group of 30-40 always averages out to 70, and any deviation from that is a lump that needs to be hammered out.

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

or it’s a stupid high school program
/rambles on against IB

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

we still don’t have our diplomas >:(

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

did you have your commencement?

by Ben Schnell on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

yup, during the summer

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

we got ours at our commencement which was at the end of october.
you could likely go back to toronto and picks yours up, im sure your school has them by now

by Ben Schnell on Nov 22, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m going to visit on Friday but they don’t have them yet, that’s the problem :(

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I think you’re right that there are absolutely some philosophical and practical reasons that curving as a matter of policy isn’t always a great idea – especially, as you say, in small groups.

You want to encourage students to have a mindset that focusses on learning and improvement rather than competing for grade scores.

That said, a little bit of curving here and there to compensate for an especially easy or hard test doesn’t strike me as inherently problematic… As I say, the trick is just to orchestrate it so that it’s always an upwards curve, because students forgive those easily, but get really upset about downwards curves :)

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no experience in the matter because i majored in statistics and bell-curving grades wasn’t nearly as cool as nonparametric techniques.

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by Ubiquitous on Nov 22, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is funny ….. I understood everything except “capice?”.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL. Pick a new distribution for every test and force the grades to fit it.

“For today’s test, you’re going to fit a step function. Good luck.”

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Do a cluster analysis of all their tests for the term and grade them based on whether their results represent a unitary construct. :)

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting closer to how things actually worked.

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by Ubiquitous on Nov 22, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What is this from, some kind of webisode or something?

I’ve never seen this before.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It was from Season 1 of Arrested Development.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

How could I have missed such a good joke? Because they layer them so thick, I imagine ….

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s from Arrested Development.

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by clrkaitken on Nov 22, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, look. I know you got a crocodile in spelling, but this has gone too far.

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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I punish thee.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a rec from me.

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by JP Nikota on Nov 22, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Curving is fine if you understand statistics (I don’t get the impression that most of my non-psych teachers had any idea what power or significance was, despite their enthusiasm for normalizing results). As you say, there is a strong subjective element in how students receive their grades… you want to be seen as the angel lifting them just a bit higher, not the devil dragging them down. The fact that you set up the system in which they fly or fall doesn’t enter into their analysis when it’s just “I got (X) but you gave me (X +/- Y). X is me, Y is you”.

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly so. Well put :)

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

If I ask you harder questions you’ll get a lower score. If I ask easier questions I’ll get higher scores.

You’re assuming that with a score of 85% I automatically got the easiest 85 out of 100 correct. What’s defines “easy” and what defines “difficult”? Many times on an exam it’s a matter of “oh, I know this answer because I happened to study that exact section in the review.”

…oh, I can’t pretend to care so much about this topic. Whatever.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It's probabilistic

but I’m guessing you don’t want a lecture on item response theory, so you’ll just have to take my word on it :)

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

with Gus in net at least we get to see that Bad ass tesla coil a bunch of times.

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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

OR he could possibly play like he did against Washington.

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by leafer1984 on Nov 22, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

well if that’s the case, the least he could do is let 1 in. i really want to see that coil.

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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I would rather he didn’t and the Leafs win 12-0

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by leafer1984 on Nov 22, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, nevermind, they only do it for the pre-game skate out.

i stand corrected, gus can stop all of the pucks tonight.

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by thenumber14 on Nov 22, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s a bit, uh… sparky sometimes.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Gagggh!! I thought the link was to the overflow.

by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Nov 22, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Denver! Gorgeous!

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by Isosceles Kramer on Nov 22, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Kessel with twice the all star votes of Ovi.
Reimer with more votes then Price.

by jeffgm on Nov 22, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

People are wasting their votes on guys like Alfredsson and Kessel.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

If everyone thought that way Martin Prince would be in the All-Star Game.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

VOTE FOR RORY

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Leafs legend Martin Skoula.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I seem to recall an episode where Lisa ran for student council president …..

I’m just saying that Shanahan will undoubtedly pick Kessel, and Alfredsson is assured of a captaincy, so why not vote for bubble players who have a shot at one of the six spots.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

It was the episode where Bart ran for president and had a great campaign but because everybody assumed he would win nobody actually voted for him. Martin ended up winning with two votes: him and Wendell.

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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you like another recount?

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by The Bag on Nov 22, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

One. Two. Martin wins!

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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that that episode references the Dewey defeats Truman headline too

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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And we've come full circle.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

And the internet folds in on itself in a black hole of awesomeness.

So this is what it feels like when doves cry.

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by The Bag on Nov 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So, this means that Roloson is going to deny the first ten or fifteen shots by Kessel...

then Kessel will stomp around the ring, cup his ear to his hand, score top shelf and finish Rolie with an atomic leg drop?

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by Paperwork Ninja on Nov 22, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I think that’s what we were getting at, yes.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if he drops a flying elbow on Roloson instead, I'll feel lied to.

I hate that.

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by Paperwork Ninja on Nov 22, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure that’s Orr’s job.

by TheCeej on Nov 22, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

KesselMani running wild!!!!

by Papa Squid on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhhh yeah.

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by not norm ullman on Nov 22, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

THE BEAT GOES ON AND THE BEAT GOES ON YEAH

I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.

by daoust on Nov 22, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m sacrificing a pineapple today in hopes that the Leafs will score at least a goal/

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

I’m sure the pineapple had it coming too.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

It better be a Loblaws pineapple because Loblaws hates the Leafs and also fuck Loblaws.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

PC is running a campaign where people get their recipe shipped to stores every week. Grabbo needs to get on that.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

it did, by virtue of being a pineapple

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

those bastards.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Comments closed in the last post before I could add my two cents re: Turris

I’m fine with us not getting him. I’m not overpaying for someone who hasn’t shown they’re any better than a 3rd liner, I don’t care where he was drafted. With Lupul, a player who was supposedly added for cap reasons, he has previously shown himself to at least be a lower-end 1st liner/good 2nd liner. Sure, he was coming back from injury and it was iffy, same with Lombardi, but he had SHOWN he could do it. Turris has not shown any of that, and I don’t want us paying our unproven talent that’s younger for their older unproven talent. That’s how you get Raycroft’d

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

True but also keep in mind that teams do employ different systems. Maybe the system they play in Phoenix isn’t beneficial to a player like Turris. I think some players can adapt while others seem to strive or fail under certain systems. This all can be a bunch of bunk but it makes me wonder why some player excel with certain teams and falter with others.

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by BlueBuds on Nov 22, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

players totally have to fit the system. But it’s often unpredictable exactly how WELL a given player will fit…. Chemistry can be an incredibly unpredictable task master

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Which I find especially true of young players. An example of this would be like someone like Franson. He has all the skills, etc but will he fit within the system we play… sort of like if we end up getting Turris will he develop into a 1C in our system even though he hasn’t even come close to showing that in Phoenix?

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by BlueBuds on Nov 22, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not 100% sold on Turris but am willing to ship Orr to Phoenix for him.

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean Turris and a draft pick right?

by Bobby Paradise on Nov 22, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You would need a draft pick coming back on that deal?

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course. Orr is a proven commodity and Phoenix would save $400 GRAND!!!

Did I do that right?

by Bobby Paradise on Nov 22, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Well dun

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I don’t deny turris may be labouring under their system in phoenix, but I won’t overpay on that assumption. I’ll take him for cheap, but I’m not desperate for a 30 point player.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

It’d be really nice if the Leafs never had to overpay for anything and always got exactly what they deserve in every transaction. Unfortunately business doesn’t work that way. The only reason Turris is even available is because he has underperformed. And at this point, probably so alienated the Phoenix management that they only see him as an asset that must be monetized rather than a building block for the team. To bring it back to the Jays in the previous post, the Jays did not acquire Colby Rasmus because he hit .225 (including an ugly .173 in Toronto) they acquired him because they believe he has the potential to be a great player, and got the chance because he fell out of favour with La Russa.

It would be fantastic if the Leafs could only ever take chances on sure things, but it doesn’t work that way. If you want to take a chance, there is always the possibility of getting burned.

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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m talking about this specific case as opposed to trades in general. of course you win some lose some, but I’m not paying Kadri, or certainly not Kadri+ for a player just because he was a high draft pick.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If you think he’ll only ever be a 30-point player, then sure. You’re right. But my point is the Jays don’t think Rasmus is a career .255 hitter (which is what he is right now) and any team that ever trades for Turris will do so because they don’t think he’s a 30 points in 110 games player either.

And I’m not just talking about winning some and losing some, I’m talking about trying to trade for young players in this kind of situation. The only reason you ever come up with these opportunities is because there’s been a falling out, and the reason for that is never good.

That’s why you can’t look at it as “oh well how is it worth it to trade Kadri for some schmo who’s only scored 30 points”: it’s because whatever you give up, you are giving it up for potential. And while you might not see it, plenty of teams other than the Leafs see it. Someone’s going to give this kid a chance, Phoenix or elsewhere.

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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s about trading a shot at really high potential for a player with a higher certainty at a lower ceiling.

Whether that’s worth it in any individual case is always a bit of a gamble, but smart talent evaluation will skew those gambles in your favor.

To give up a player of Kadri’s promise, Turis would have to have an insanely high ceiling, and non-terrible odds of getting to it.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

But in both cases with either players (Kadri and Turris) their known quantity is somewhat known. We can have a rough estimate of what each player has done and can guess what their value may be. I think for every prospect it makes sense to have timelines or targets that a player should hit at a certain time to gauge progress, anything above that would constitute a “bonus” as per their contracts.

Maybe in a young player such as Turris its way too early to peg him as a career 3rd liner. I don’t know since I’m just a fan and am an outside observer. There was and I believe still will be a lot of interest for him however don’t think it will cost much to get him since he is a known commodity.

I don’t know how valuable or beneficial he would be for the Leafs or not so I don’t know if we should pass or not on him. I’m sure we have something we can use to get him but it will be a question of will it be worth it in the end.

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by BlueBuds on Nov 22, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

In the Jays’ case, they traded a whole bunch of parts with higher certainties and lower ceilings (including a separate deal just to pick up a pitcher) to get one player that has much more individual potential than any of them. That’s what I think will ultimately happen with Turris. It might not be the Leafs, it might not be anyone. But Phoenix is not going to give him away, and Toronto won’t be able to get him for assets that make it seem like they’re doing Phoenix a favour.

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by T is for Truculence on Nov 22, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

well it’s supply and demand isn’t it. If there’s some other team willing to give up more and better assets than Toronto to take a flier on this guy then maybe they get him instead (unless it’s a within-division rival or something). But at the end of the day you have to ask how high you still believe the ceiling to be, what are the odds he gets close to it (one in three? One in a thousand?) and then figure out how much you’re willing to give up based on that.

At the end of the day these deals CAN be win/win. If Turis’ potential was never going to be unlocked for some reason in the desert, then the yotes would do well to deal him to another team for something slightly less than his actual final potential value. They turn a loss into an asset, while the other team gets to swap one asset for a slightly better one.

Who knows, maybe the Leafs come out a winner on that. In any event it seems unlikely he’ll be an earth shattering talent, right, so let’s not get TOO exercised over it.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough, I just don’t think Turris is worth it plain and simple. If someone else wants to trade their potential for him, feel free. I’ll part with Caputi for him, but that’s really about it because I don’t want him.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Animal was robbed

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d have cast Kermit as Truman.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Kermit as an underdog? Please.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Was Dewey the favourite? I simply meant that Kermit was actually the winner.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i like dewey, his decimal system was top notch

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to buy one of those library card chest of drawers for my CD collection.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You could even use it for HDDVDs.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why you want all these obsolete information storage systems, yes?

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Milk crates were the worst way to carry one’s LPs. You had to stack them all diagonal, like.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I use a milk crate to cart DVD’s/Blurays when I move (which is a lot being a student), and it’s similar, need to go in a bunch of different directions.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes you get lucky though, and the Milk crates actually work. Not usually though, you’re right.

by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

When I was in res in undergrad everyone stole 4 mil crates from behind the cafeteria to prop their beds up for storage underneath.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s pretty damn resourceful. I wish I had thought of something like that.

by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Tuukka Rask does, as well.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Fuck me, I just got this now.

by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I still don’t get it ;)

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUVGz0MVyKI

I'm building a beautiful statue, to make sure that no one forgets you

by jimmyp22 on Nov 22, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhhhhhhhhhhh. yes, of course. THanks

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I just got it as soon as I read you saying you got it.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

erm…yeah we did that too. Someone actually stacked their bed so high they put a counch under it…

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

people I know MAY (though I admit no part in it) have filled an elevator up with milk crates then zip tied them together so when the doors opened no one could enter.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

see you gotta put in a wall, two milk crates thick around the whole elevator, zip tied together, and in the middle you put the first person who passed out at the party duct taped to an office chair directly in the middle

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the passed out person ductaped to a lamp is a whole other story…we were a bit of a party floor.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup, stacked milkcrates.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Never liked Dewey. Stupid blue shirt. Put on some pants kid!

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. I don’t care if the show was called Dewey in the Middle, I was always partial to Reese and Huey.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Scratch that. I went in for Malcolm’s nerdy girlfriend.

Goldblum’d

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the nerdy neighbour next door.

/haydenpanettiere’d

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn’t she also married to a guy older than her father?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

nm

He’s old, but not Jeff Goldblum old.

Just as ugly, though. Makes Ovechkin look like Filatov.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The guy who played Horace Goodspeed in Season 5 of Lost is married to a 16-year old. He’s like 50. No joke.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you ever seen her pic?

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by leafer1984 on Nov 22, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

She’s SIXTEEN, man. SIXTEEN.

And she makes terrible, terrible music. And I’m being nice by calling it music.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I know how old she is. She looks disgusting. 16 and already so much plastic surgery

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by leafer1984 on Nov 22, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah it’s creepy.

by TheCeej on Nov 22, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

thats, really, really creepy. Burlesconi creepy.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

What, that I’ve seen her picture?

by TheCeej on Nov 22, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

No, that a 51 year old married a 16 year old. That’s really, really creepy.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah just a bit. I knew he was old but never knew he was 51, that makes it extra creepy. There is a Belgian pro cyclist who was 28 and married to a 16 year old a while ago too, I think they actually started dating when she was 15.

by TheCeej on Nov 22, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s like Jerry Lee Lewis Creepy

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

But not up to Woody Allen standards.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Berlesconia takes the cake. A 73-year old man consorting with a 17 year old girl. HE WAS 60 WHEN SHE WAS BORN!!

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

almost 60. math fail. I prefer marth..

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird. The girl who played Malcom’s girlfriend was also in Lost.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Which girlfriend was that/who did she play?

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

She played the French woman’s daughter on Lost, and a nerdy girl on Malcolm and Jeff Goldblum’s girlfriend in real life.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

She must really enjoy chaos theory.

by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh riiiiiight, now I remember who you’re talking about.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What has Dewey done since that show? I mean, at least Malcolm’s racing cars and Hal’s on Breaking Bad.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Is he really, or did Malcolm just make a racing movie?

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He quit acting to be a race car driver. No joke.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah he actually races (or raced) Formula BMW or something.

by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Obligatory

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

what happened to walt’s goatee? and when did he grow all that hair?

by JohnerstonRex on Nov 22, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

LAUNCHPAD WAS ROBBED

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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 22, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I had to look it up, but now that I have, Duck Tales FTW!

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah Dewey had been declared the winner.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but the 82 point font suggests that he was the surprise winner.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, everyone thought Dewey was going to win.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

My ignorance makes me feel young again.

by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

readers digest had surveyed tends of thousands of people by phone

and found Dewey was going to win. THey were so confident in this that a newspaper printed their headline early before the results were all in.

But when they counted the votes, Dewey lost and Truman won.

So how was the survey so wrong? Small sample size? Nope, it was enormous.

The problem was it was a phone survey. In 1948. Who has phones in 1948? Rich people. Rich people really did want Dewey to win. But poor people voted too despite their lack of phones.

It’s one of THE classic cases of biased sampling.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that story.

Come get your duds in order...

by The Bag on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes my head explode just a bit when people cite magazine surveys. Oh really… so 1200 people that read your magazine and were motivated to write in to answer your question, and 80% answered in the affirmative to whatever it was you were asking? Funny thing that.

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by Nirbo on Nov 22, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

So are we gonna see the 1-3-1 all night long tonight? If so do you think the Leafs will have an effective way to break it? I’m thinking they gain the line via the way they do on the PP as a way to do it. If we can’t get the skating going tonight it might be a stinker of a game. Thoughts?

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by BlueBuds on Nov 22, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, mentioned it in the other thread. We have done well generating chances against both PHX and NSH. The key is using the defense to rush through the neutral zone. Phaneuf, Gunnar, Liles, Franson, and Gardiner will all have to gain the zone and try and establish possession. Plus Kessel is OK off the rush.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch the top line to have BOzak enter the zone first if they dump and chase.

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by leafer1984 on Nov 22, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

now that I think about it, maybe this is why Florida has a good PP..
they’re used to playing TB being in the same division, and thus get practice competing again a similiar system that PKers would employ (3-1),
this whole game will be good PP entry practice.

by Ben Schnell on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

this is an interesting situation..

our first line is big on long vertical passes, our second line is all complicated horizontal trickery… this could mess TB up in the transitions.

(I kinda don’t know what i’m talking about… but feeling the above)

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by Vitamin_M on Nov 22, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

an absolute must-win tonight as i made a pretty cool leafsman graphic today.

by spoonie on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

you jinxed them :P

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

Only a jinx if i post it.

by spoonie on Nov 22, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone talented should replace Gonzo with Leafsman.

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by Spezzal Teams Playa on Nov 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 22, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

IT IS A JINX I TELL YOU

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh-oh Gus gets the start. Well, this could be a goal-fest. Not in our favour, except a hat trick by Kessel on Zombie Roloson.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

interesting to see if we can get the same gus we got last time…. and I mean in terms of the qualitative way he played – quiet, few rebounds, etc.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

well if he blows this game I have a hard time believing he can remain our backup, other than to let Scrivens develop in the AHL while we decide to blow our games our backup plays.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

ZOMBIE ROLOSON LIKES HIS BACON WITH PANCAKES. AND BRAAAAAAAINS.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to see our second line make Roloson retire tonight.

They’ve had a few days to learn each other’s magic tricks. They have to bring it tonight.

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by Vitamin_M on Nov 22, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, I think Connolly is great to play on that line if LBK keeps going the way they are. He’s a true playmaker, and hopefully he can create something for Kulemin….he’s got to explode soon.

by Goosemonster on Nov 22, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so too. Should be fun too watch.

by TheCeej on Nov 22, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

totally

Connolly is exactly what Kulemin needs I think..

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by Vitamin_M on Nov 22, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

"How about that strength down low? Wow." McGuire on Crosby.

Still getting over that one.

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by not norm ullman on Nov 22, 2011 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

Although most would expect the top 3 to play on the same line for Tampa, they will be spread out. I have Reimer in my pool on IR.. Any word on his return!?

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by Killhowe on Nov 22, 2011 4:55 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Sunday vs. Anaheim is a possible return date.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

though probably the most optimistic

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Optimistic = Optimus = Reimer = WOOOO!!!

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha rec’d

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by MLS on Nov 22, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I would prefer that Reimer plays on Sunday (if he’s cleared to) simply because it might be an easier game for him to regain his form vs the next game being Boston… that and the fact I’m gonna be at that game!

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by BlueBuds on Nov 22, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer he plays on Sunday to as I’ll be at the game! :D

by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 22, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be there too... but also

He seems to like to stone California teams.

by c_gee on Nov 22, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

So that media thing they did with Reimer earlier did they say he was coming back next week or was it still vague

by jd90 on Nov 22, 2011 5:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

#ProjectMayhem

isn’t working… time to shift the approach

i suggest voting Giroux and Toews in on forward, as well as Chara and Lidstrom on defence, just to get those damned Senators out. along with Kessel and Reimer of course

well, that escalated quickly

by aelanK on Nov 22, 2011 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Get new Jerseys Tampa!

Should be a rule against having an almost identical unform. This is bullshit!

by Jack rides ducks on Nov 22, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I just hope the boys don’t keep passing to the Lightning in confusion especially since the stands will be half empty and the other half wearing Leafs jerseys. Might think it’s a home game

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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 22, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Bowen: Steven Stamkos shoots the puck wide to the left, with… Joffrey Lupul taking it to the net on Jonas Gustavsson, when he passes it to… Marty St. Louis, who passes the puck to… Phil Kessel, who shifts around… Dion Phaneuf. Holy mackinaw, what is going on in this game?

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by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

….Phil Kessel SCORES!!!!!11

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I know what the hell is with all the blue and white jerseys. Columbus, Pittsburgh, Florida and I think is it Minnesota? Half these teams don’t even have any blue in their logo

by jd90 on Nov 22, 2011 6:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If we change our team’s jersey colour to blue and white, people will assume that we are the Toronto Maple Leafs and finally go to the games.

Brilliant!

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by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Phoenix should follow their lead

by jd90 on Nov 22, 2011 6:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

but then the refs will also start conspiring against you

It’s a toughie ;)

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

the Pens’ jerseys were originally blue, til they changed the colour scheme to match the other Pittsburgh teams. So that’s where those alternates come from.

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Annoying related thing, one of the reasons original Raptors ownership chose a new name rather than reestablishing the Huskies moniker is because the Huskies were blue and white and they wanted to be different than the Leafs (although I think the biggest thing was that Jurassic Park was all the rage at the time). Basically we could have a cool blue and white basketball team now (and it would be more consistent with it’s now common parentage with the Leafs), instead of a lame one named after a prehistoric lizard that has nothing to do with Toronto.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The Toronto Huns would have made just as much sense, but there was no awesome movie about them at the time.

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by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It would of been cool if Toronto got a basketball team in 1995 and they were called the Toronto “Warrior Poets” or in 1997 and they could’ve been the “Icebergs” or “Really Big Ships”.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Toronto Icebergs actually makes more sense than Raptors.

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- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I really think Huskies would’ve been cool, especially considering we’re the only Canadian team (now), and I like those Blue and White jerseys. I don’t really care for basketball anymore but loved the raptors as a young kid. I was actually at the 1995 entry draft at Skydome and the Raptors first ever regular season game v. the Nets.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Raptor games in the Skydome were weird…so very empty.

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by WendelMadeMe on Nov 22, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah they were, as a kid I never got why they didn’t use MLG.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

MLG probably didn’t accommodate basketball too well, like the arena in Phoenix didn’t accommodate hockey too well.

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- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

They played a few games there actually, it wasn’t great but I’m pretty sure it was better than Skydome, I think the big issue was the not getting along with Leafs ownership (I’m guessing).

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I guess scheduling a lot easier when teams play opposite seasons. It’s funny to think how the current NHL schedule is probably based a lot on what the NBA schedule would’ve been with several teams sharing arenas, yet now it’s a non-issue.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

At least Boston’s ice won’t be as bad.

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by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, maybe less pucks will slow down for Tim Thomas.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Pittsburgh chose robin blue because it calms the opponents down and makes them less aggressive

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by jimmyp22 on Nov 22, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

GO LEAFS GO

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by MLS on Nov 22, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I concur with both aforementioned sentiments

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by D_Tone666 on Nov 22, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Please stop

With the Crosbymania. We get it he’s pretty good

by jd90 on Nov 22, 2011 6:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah, not like he’s the best player in the game who returned from a career-threatening concussion or anything.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Now THAT would be a story!

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by WendelMadeMe on Nov 22, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I know but this is a little excessive. This morning some of the hockey shows literally showed 30 min straight of Crosbyfest.

by jd90 on Nov 22, 2011 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it’s like the Leafs media hype. They’re showing it cause people want to see it. If you don’t want to see it, don’t watch

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I prefer the leaf media hype. Kessel highlight reel on repeat would be better

by jd90 on Nov 22, 2011 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

When I get tired of what’s on TV, I watch the All Heart video.

by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Step 1: Buy a PVR
Step 2: Record things like Sportscentre, when they first air (i.e. at 2am)
Step 3: Watch at your leisure and fast forward through commercials and shit you don’t want to watch like CFL and Basketball (lol NBA)
Step 4: ???
Step 5: PROFIT!!!

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Mason Crosby is a pretty solid kicker.

by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you think of Bill Crosby?

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by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He wears funny sweaters and talks a lot about Jello.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 22, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It's Mr. Stills and Mr. Nash who ruined it.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

even I’m getting slightly tired of it.
Only slightly though.

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by Leafer87 on Nov 22, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It is not like there are any riots for fan fights happening in Montreal to talk about.

by jeffgm on Nov 22, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year

0-3-1 against Tampa yes?

by tml on Nov 22, 2011 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Gameplan should be sit there while they 1 3 1. Then when no one shows up to their games and they fold as a franchise, Leafs get Stamkos

by jd90 on Nov 22, 2011 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why: Because the NHL wanted the Leafs to feast on Dwayne Roloson’s rotting carcass before I feast on Thanksgiving turkey.

USA much?

by tml on Nov 22, 2011 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

Well, Phil Kessel is anyway.

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- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There are many fine folks from the US of A around here.

by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

both Americans and expatriated Canadians.

Move along. Nothing to see here...

by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Like myself!

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by Frattinator on Nov 22, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Ex Pat that is

The only way to live as a leafs fan: with an self-deprecating sense of humour.

by Frattinator on Nov 22, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

me, as well.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

meh, I still call it “thursday”

by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 22, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m Ameri-Canadian!

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- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Dual citizen? That makes cross border traveling that much easier.

I’m slightly dreading my trip back to toronto with the customs agents

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by Frattinator on Nov 22, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

i’ve never had any problems going either way. the work visa helps I suppose.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

H1 or TN? I’m on a TN and how much hassle I get is purely dependent on the border guard’s mood that day.

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by Frattinator on Nov 22, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

TN. I’ve never had any trouble.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I had an J1 and an F1 at different times

and it was a bit of a pain in the neck with them having to rip things out or not when I crossed borders, and getting it signed every year… but otherwise it was all good.

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

my wife and I are supposed to have ours ripped up when we fly across. but no body on Canadian Customs side knows what the fuck to do. so we just leave it in.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve heard of situations where the work visa works against you. My dad had one for a while as he was doing work for the California office of his company, and a few times they would kind of give him a hard time. Assuming it was the whole “dey dook er jerbs” thing by a few jerks.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

If anyone’s good at making those mini videos that replay over and over the 10 second mark of TSN’s new vid on Reimer looks like good material

by tml on Nov 22, 2011 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

Wouldn’t be making fun of Rolie just yet, and Tampa’s attendance is pretty good.

by scott tubbesing on Nov 22, 2011 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

2 dollar tickets? I think ticket prices and giveaways can easily make it look like more people care about the team than actually do

by jd90 on Nov 22, 2011 7:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Anyone worried about the team we’re tossing on the ice just needs to look at few players that got tossed to the curb…. and by that I mean Calgary. Matt Stajan rocking out with 3 assist and no goals thusfar, and Niklas Hagman (the ‘gem’ that we sacrificed) being shipped off to the Ducks, and equally ineffective. Hopefully those Raask/Raycroft trades are a thing of the past, as the Lupul/Gardiner for Beauchemin trade, the Phaneuf robbery, or even Joe Colborne and some picks for Kaberle represent a seismic shift.

Mildy off topic, but these are some of the boys that will spank the Lightning! (Not a euphemism for jerking off….. although it should be.)

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by Flexusjeen on Nov 22, 2011 7:06 PM EST reply actions  

huh.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Just a simple “out with the bad, in with the good” post. Neurologists need 11-12 years of skoolin’, so you’ll get ‘er. Sorry, kinda new to the site, and I’ve noticed the vast majority of the posts aren’t hockey related. I’ll get there eventually, but offer some slack, as I ain’t a neurologist.

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by Flexusjeen on Nov 22, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

most of the posts are hockey related. but aren’t 6 lines of stream-of-consciousness stuff.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The intent wasn’t to be some scatter-brained, stream of consciousness girl. I’m just a lifelong Leafs fan, trying to fit in, and offer a bit of support and opinion. I’m used to posting on (gag) the CBC, which offers zero latitude in terms of subject matter, and way too much policing. Bear with me please, as I’ll find my place.

"pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence, That's how our teams play." Brian Burke, before realizing that it's 2011, and goons sip coffee in the press box.

by Flexusjeen on Nov 22, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

.

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Nov 22, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I gotta be honest who the fuck has been tossed to the side lately? Especially to the Lightning? Domenic Moore?

by jd90 on Nov 22, 2011 7:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My guess is they are asking if anyone is worried if some current leafs will find there way in a Phaneuf or Lupul/Gardiner like trade.

by jeffgm on Nov 22, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Game starts at?

"Pass to the Left, Cause the Right is Wrong!!"
Reimer........

by LeafsLaughToo on Nov 22, 2011 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

730, see mapleleafs.nhl.com for more info.

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by Shield on Nov 22, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

or. the top of this page.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, poor birky. All that work, and for what?

by Self Destructive Zones on Nov 22, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

8:30 Atlantic Time

"Pass to the Left, Cause the Right is Wrong!!"
Reimer........

by LeafsLaughToo on Nov 22, 2011 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

6:30 Central.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

5:30 Mountain.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

8:00 NFL.

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

12:30 for me :(

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by Wan Ihite on Nov 22, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Newfoundland Time?

"The Passion Continues..."

by WendelMadeMe on Nov 22, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

National Football League time

by TheDeek on Nov 22, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

game time!

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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 22, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions  

The 1.5 hour difference in Newfoundland threw me for a loop my first week there.

"The Passion Continues..."

by WendelMadeMe on Nov 22, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t like this Liles-Franson pairing

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by jimmyp22 on Nov 22, 2011 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

I do like Crabb-Colborne-Frattin

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by jimmyp22 on Nov 22, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

lets hope they’ve been practicing the “DONT SIMULTANEOUSLY PINCH” maneuver.

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by Vitamin_M on Nov 22, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

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