There's the Leafs we know and...well...know
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Not Gus’s fault, really. Boston had some quality chances from bad Toronto mistakes. Unlike a lot of teams, Boston took full advantage.
TWEET AT ME BRO
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 30, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
so tired of this
Leafs outplayed, outshot, and outchanced the Bruins. Barring some penalty trouble they got into, they had this game. And yet, they lost. By a large margin, to the Bruins, again.
Gustavsson’s career NHL stats. 75 games. .897 SVP. Goals against average north of 3. 30-32 won-loss record, if you care about such things.
He’s had three seasons with the big club. Yes, the team in front of him has been far from world-beaters for much of that time. But by any rational metric, he’s not a good NHL goalie. I don’t even think he’s an NHL goalie. .897
Seems like a nice kid but I’m done making excuses for him. A lot has to happen to win or lose a hockey game. And a career is made of much more than one game. But i am so goddam tired of losing to the Bruins. They had this game and he whiffed it.
He is not a young, prospect goalie. He’s a reactive goalie with good first instincts and makes occasional highlight reel saves, but he has shown no signs of improving as an NHL goalie. I don’t know if Reimer is the answer or anyone else. But it’s not Gustavsson.
30-32 won loss record
goals against north of 3
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
Even Gus admitted he should have stopped 2 of them. That would make it 3-3 at the very worst and a totally different outcome.
Calm down...
Hi folks, I’ve been a Leafs fan all my life and I’ve been reading this blog for the past few years, but this is my first time posting a comment here… I’m following the Leafs from the other side of the planet, so sorry if my opinions are waaay off….
It’s just one game… I don’t think we can put all of the blame on Gus. Sure he has a tendency to let in soft goals, but being bombarded with that many shots from up close doesn’t give him much of a chance either.
Gus is doing a better job these days, if he has confidence he’ll play better. As you can see in this game, Gus wasn’t lit up from the start. He kept it close for quite a while, it just fell apart in the end… It’s not like ToskaLOL saying “I’m feeling better” and playing like shit… Show some love for the guy, at least he’s 8-5-0 and that’s way better than last year’s 6-13-0!!
We have to focus on the positives! Yes it sucks that our Leafs couldn’t beat Boston in regulation this month, but neither could any other team. The score doesn’t show it, but they put up a decent fight.
I think the Leafs have to get more physical and muck it up. Last season the Leafs actually had the upper hand on the B’s. Get aggressive on the forecheck, clear front of the net, screen Thomas like mad… etc. Chara’s actually somewhat vulnerable… He’s huge, so it’s scary when he comes flying over, but on the other hand, that means that there’s more “mass” to throw your weight at. Then get someone to smother Lucic and Seguin… How’s that for an idea?
Fuck the B’s, fuck the habs,
GO LEAFS GO!!
by crazycanuck1113 on Dec 1, 2011 2:45 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
welcome.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle of these 2 posts. Gus is showing signs of improving, but he’s still not a good NHL goaltender. Maybe edging towards average or respectable. That perhaps makes him an ok backup, but if he’s your main guy you’re in trouble. We need Reimer back.
thanks!
i can’t wait until Reimer starts! Gus is getting more sound positionally these days, but i think he can only keep that up for short bursts… (4-5 games?)
i don’t think he can come cold off the bench and steal games like that, but leave him benched too long, and he’ll start to rust. maybe it’s a good idea to ride the hot goalie?
say like… start reims for a stretch, if he starts to falter, then let gus have a run until he starts to falter, then back to reimer…etc.
blend in a few games for scrivens/owuya/rynnas(?) here and there for development and we might have some good goaltending!
but in the end, results first, stats later!! the bottom line is to just keep winning!!
Distance doesn't matter, passion does. Bleeding blue and white 10000+ kilometres away!!
by crazycanuck1113 on Dec 1, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ideally you would like to switch the goalie out right BEFORE he starts to fatigue too much. Keep them a little fresh. Ithink the optimum may actually be to mix them in… say 3 for Reims, 1 for gus… something like that, where we mostly have the better goaltending, but they both get a lot more recovery time while still getting regular games.
one game
yes. granted. this was one game. But it’s also another bad game for him. Did he face a lot of shots? Absolutely. But five of them went in. You know who faced more? Tim Thomas. Who let in three. And that happens consistently.
He’s just not a good goalie. I don’t see any other way to slice it but if you sleep better thinking he’s “battling out there” and is still a young goalie finding his way, go ahead.
I constantly hear platitudes like “Gus is doing a better job these days” but there is no evidence for it whatsoever. Look at the stats. The Leafs won some games with him in net because Kessel is off to a Hart Trophy calibre start and the team’s been scoring 4 goals a game.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
People often lose sight of the forest for the trees with Gustavsson. I can’t even count how many times I’ve seen people say “it’s only one game” and “that fourth goal wasn’t his fault” after a game he’s lost.
After a while, “it’s only one game” turns into 75.
And yes, I know he won a few in a row before this, and all of a sudden people are shitting on him again. Well I was glad he’s been winning but it’s hard not to argue that the team has also been winning in spite of him.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I was turning to the Fire Wilson Gustavsson side earlier on this year but his improved play has made me think twice. I know his career #s aren’t good at all but I do think he does deserve some sort of Mulligan for the first two years which were pretty shitty in terms of events outside of his hockey life. Culture shock, heart problems, parents, these are all things that can seriously mentally affect a person. I am willing to give him more time and see if he can get the save percentage over .900. If at year end, he’s under, then let him walk and sign someone else. I def don’t think we need to trade a 2/3 rd draft pick for a backup goalie.
Athletes get paid big money to perform. I get that he’s had some terrible personal issues the past few years, but it’s a business. Sympathy gets you nowhere. I don’t see why he deserves another chance other than if the coaching staff still believes he’s got something in him. I wish him all the best, but if he’s not good enough he’s not good enough.
The Leafs actually have a chance at making the playoffs this year. Are they really going to put that in jeopardy by hoping and wishing he finds his game? The longer Reimer is out, the bigger the liability Gustavsson is.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
You may have heard, Reimer’s back next game. So, worrying about our backup is really not that big a deal.
Reimer is supposed to backup on Sat, not start.
But we all know Ron Wilson and his last minute starting goaltender switcheroos
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
I don’t see why he deserves another chance other than if the coaching staff still believes he’s got something in him.
They keep parading him out there every game so I would guess they do – like you said, its year 3 of bad play. I’m pretty sure if Allaire, Wilson, Burke didn’t believe in some sort expected improvement, he wouldn’t have been here to start the season. Look at Versteeg for example, Burke will cut his losses if he doesn’t think it will work out.
They must. But if his level of play remains in this range (and it might get worse in limited play once Reimer comes back) there’s no way that’s good enough to get another contract.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
From my first post
I am willing to give him more time and see if he can get the save percentage over .900. If at year end, he’s under, then let him walk and sign someone else.
people are ready to blast him when our team let the Bruins gets tons of shot from right in front of our net. Of course they’re going to score on those.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
i was surprised how many times a forward was allowed to waltz out from behind the net and get a point blank shot off. No fault on Gus for that kinda stuff
I wonder if Wilson thought there is no way the leafs win a defensive game against Boston. To hell with defense, lets try to beat them by outscoring them.
Well Schenn was certainly following that gameplan
by TomServo42 on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha ha. Deep down inside, I was hoping he’d pull another end-to-end a la number4
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
no one was complaining when they kept ‘parading him out every game’ and he won us 4 straight.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
You realize the Leafs scored 7 goals in two of those games right? And won a third in the shootout? So two games where he would’ve had to let in 8 goals to lose, and one that’s a coin flip. And the fourth was against Anaheim, the team that had won 2 of 18 and lost six in a row at that point.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
you realize in those games where the leafs scored 7 goals he only let in 1, right?
and you can’t complain about him winning blowouts AND complain about him winning shootouts. He gave the team a chance to win in all 4 games.
Those blowouts against Washington and Tampa he played a critical role in weathering an early storm and keeping them in the game.
FFS, do you even watch the games?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
His recent save percent has been respectable.
His 3 year save percent is bad, but if a player is improving (which Gus IS doing – at least to the eyeball test), then you can’t really hold their old-old results against them too much. His save percent this year isn’t quite so bad, particularly in the after the first few games, where he visibly calmed down his over-movements (remember the first few game threads he was in, everyone was bitching about same old twitchy gus, over-sliding everything and getting out of position). Since he’s started LOOKING better in net he’s had a better save percent. Yes, that’s VERY 3SA, but what else can you do, we’re being FORCED to judge on fairly small sample sizes.
Nobody still thinks he’s a GOOD goalie yet, but is he good enough to be a backup?
but i’m not responding to the question of whether he’s good or even whether he’s improved.
i’m responding to the lamenting that ‘Gustavsson is not the answer’ because he lost a game against the Bruins 6-3. It’s insane. Both because he didn’t play particularly badly, and secondly because he’s not being played because he’s ‘the answer’, but because he IS the backup and Reimer is injured.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Lots of people saying that he’s just bad and cut him loose, and "how many times can you say ‘that was just 1 bad game’. "
Why are we still arguing about Gustavsson? Reimer is back soon.
And if it’s anything like last year he’ll be playing 90% of games remaining.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Ideally it would be less than that. Last year his performance declined month by month, presumably as he got worn out. Having a competent backup step in for a few more games might be worth it if it keeps him playing at a higher level.
Ideally of course.
We don’t have an ideal goaltending situation.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
i suppose everyone needs a scapegoat. i just thinking making it your back-up goalie who’s won you 8/14 games doesn’t really make sense.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
he had a weak game last night, but overall he’s been decent the last 8-10 games. .906 or something like that in November, not quite league average, but it got us 5 wins so whatever.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
‘so whatever’ is all i’m asking of people.
we shouldn’t even really be talking about it this morning.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
VRN haven’t you learned yet? The game’s he wins are in spite of him and the ones he losses are directly his fault. He could win 10 in a row and people would be calling for his head should he lose.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Dec 1, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
He gave the team a chance to win
That’s his job. It’s the least that he can do. If that’s good enough for you, then fine.
And yes, I do watch the games.
Btw, damn right I expect him to win in blowouts, sort of like how the Flyers must’ve expected to beat Winnipeg in a game where they scored 8 goals and still lost.
And I’m not the only person on here who’s called the shootout a coinflip. Full credit to him for stopping all three shots though.
Look hyperbole aside, I don’t care whether you think I have a vendetta against him or not. I just think the guy is running out of chances.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I was fine with it. What’s the alternative? Scrivens?
We need Reimer.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
I just think his recently improved play is enough that we don’t need to trade for a better backup goalie
There’s no point in trading for a goalie now, when Reimer’s about to come back. They’ve gotten this far with Gus as the backup, they’re probably going to stick with him for the rest of the year.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
who's advocating for a trade?
Reimer’s the starter, hopefully his health issues are gone. I just want Gus stapled to the press box as a sunk cost.
You dont trade assets for backup goalies, you’re right. We’ve got guys in the system who can put up an .897 save percentage and give up 3-4 goals a game when called upon.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
comparing Gus to Thomas is asinine. One is arguably the best goalie in the world right now. The other is barely an NHL backup. Expecting Gus to be better than Thomas is insane.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Considering the way the Bruins have manhandled the Leafs this year, yes. The only way to beat them is for our goalie to be better than their goalie. Part of that is scoring a bunch of goals (and 3 against Thomas is better than this offense has done against the Bruins so far this year) but the other part is outplaying Thomas. It is absolutely fair, for one game, to want to see a goalie try to rise to the occasion.
“Oh, the other guy’s won a Vezina? Might as well roll over then.”
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Stanley Cup Champion on a month-long unbeaten streak defeats bubble team playing over their head without their starting goalie.
Film at 11.
Cynically Sarcastic
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by clrkaitken on Dec 1, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly. OH NO THE INJURY DEPLETED LEAFS LOST A CLOSE GAME TO THE DEFENDING STANLEY CUP WINNING TEAM THAT IS ON A ROLL WITH A VEZINA WINNING GOALIE.
SEASON OVERRRRRR!!! FIRE EVERYONE!!!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think anyone’s saying that. It was a pretty good game, definitely entertaining. If Gus had played better we would have won.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
If the leafs didn’t have mental lapses in their own zone, they could have won too.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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If the Leafs had scored more goals they would have won as well.
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If the Leafs had scored more goals than the Bruins they would have won as well
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I was going more for the "captain obvious’ comment.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Scored more goals than the bruins is a subset of scored more goals. If the Leafs had potted 2 more (minimum value of “goals”), it would have been a different game with a strong chance of a different outcome.
It’s not a goal scoring competition
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But not specific enough. “Scored more goals” could mean anything above 3. 4 and 5 goals would not have won it for the Leafs.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
nitpickers the lot of ya!
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would have gotten us a point, which I would have considered an astounding success.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Can’t speculate about that. It’s all hypothetical as it’s impossible to judge what would have happened after the Leafs would have tied it up at 4 or even 5. Who knows, the Bruins could have gone on a tear and scored more.
At most I can agree to meet you half way and say 5 goals would have been a point as no empty-netter would have come from it.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Scoring goals is good, and leads to wins. It’s not a determinitive system sure, there’s always a CHANCE soemthing wacky happens, but the correlation of goals to wins is enormous.
but the correlation of goals to wins is enormous
Definitely. But the correlation of socring more goals than your opponent has an even bigger correlation. :P
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
you must not have read the post from pevans then. this is pretty much exactly what he’s saying.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
no. he said ‘Gustavsson is not the answer’ and ’I’m done making excuses for him’. in the context of what his role is (backup) and his recent performance, it’s an insane comment.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
perhaps. but if it is, then your response is equally insane…. being frustrated with Gus is not the same as saying SEASON OVER FIRE EVERYONE.
i think somebody woke up a little cranky this morning.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
Every time anyone says something critical of Gus, VRN has been all over them like a ninja. He’s been like that all year. I knew he was going to freak out.
He also loves criticizing people for being unreasonable and hyperbolic, but he’s just as guilty of it as anyone.
Frankly, everybody is a little cranky the night after another beatdown from the Bruins. Meh. We’ll get over it by the next game.
Wait who’s playing the next game? Crap.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
this is where you’re wrong. i’m not cranky because of the ‘beatdown’, because I actually thought it was a pretty good game.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I Agree about being a good game.
I enjoyed the everything about last nights game except the results. We played line for line with the hottest team in the league and the defending Stanley Cup champions (who has the best goalie and one of the best D-men in the league) and made a game of it.
Also, the leafs are still pretty depleted from injuries…
Felt like a playoff game last night.
We play that way against about 25 other teams in this league and we win handily.
I don’t see where the pessimism comes in today.
Sucks that we lost, but the 6-3 score is not an indication of how close we came to beating them last night.
Also – 2 points against a team like the Islanders is worth the same as 2 points against Boston. if anyone had delusions that we were going to end this season ahead of the Bruins because of their respective starts – give your head a shake.
The only thing i give a shit about right now is making the playoffs and enjoying the leafs playing competitive hockey.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 1, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
see, this is what I need to do. you and I are making essentially the same arguments, but you come off as much less of a jerk than I do.
well done.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
it’s also worth pointing out that I wasn’t the first person to point out how absurd your comment was.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, if the first reaction to everything is to throw out a sarcastic, all-caps FIRE EVERYONE. Cause that’s exactly what I was saying, and obviously I’m too bullheaded to understand the understated nuance of any other commentary.
Eh. Maybe I overreacted a little bit. Sure. I’m not the only one who’s been guilty of that. But damn, if everybody on here is so freaking touchy these days.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
YOU GET A JOB! AND YOU GET A JOB!
Not you though. We’re out of jobs.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
perhaps. i just get annoyed with the Monday-morning quarterbacking all being directed towards one player who arguably played alright and was hung out to dry the bye D a few times.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
there are also no quarterbacks in hockey.
unless we’re talking about the PP?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
dude chill out
my original point was that i find it frustrating that we are three years in to Gustavsson’s career and the same things keep happening. Goals going in that shouldn’t. And people keep making excuses and saying he’s not bad. Do we not want to win games? There are better options. Why are we ignoring them?
I realize they are short of options, and YES, he’s the backup. But i don’t like him and don’t have any faith in him.
The statistical data backs my view up. Your view appears to be based on “he looks better to my eyes” and “he gives them a chance to win” (when they score 5 goals)
Tim Thomas is great, yes. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
I think he’s a bad goalie and i don’t want him on the Leafs. Even as a backup. You disagree. But the pantomimed hyperbole is unnecessary.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
I probably over-reacted. but this is my reaction when the third comment in the post game thread has ‘.897’ in bold. I take issue with the logic, because it indicates to me that people are reasoning objectively about THIS PARTICULAR GAME on the basis of a career .897 sv%.
I’ve always been pretty clear about my record. I’ve conceded that Gus is probably gone at the end of the season. All I ask is that we give him a fare shake.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
There are better options.
I realize they are short of options,
While I generally agree with your sentiment, including such a glaring logical inconsistency as this does not help your argument. If there ARE better options, then why are we short of options? I don`t get it.
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
there are other options — anyone but Gus can be playing (scrivens or a cheap ufa vet)
they are short of options — i would prefer if we had even MORE options than that, but i acknowledge we don’t.
It’s poorly written maybe, but not logically inconsistent
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
And we put three past Tim Thomas. Not everyday a team can do that.
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 1, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
he only way to beat them is for our goalie to be better than their goalie.
What you’re saying, basically, is that the entire success or failure of this team comes down to how one person performs for 60 minutes, as opposed to the other 18. That’s so absurd on the face of it.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
but this has been a trend in some commenters I’ve noticed. If we lose, blame the goalie. If we win, especially in a blow-out, the goalie gets no credit but rather the team for getting so many goals. Gus really can’t win. I don’t think he was spectacular, but you give the Bruins that many chances up tight and they WILL score. They are really, really, really fucking good. This isn’t Calgary that dominated us.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
and we didn’t get dominated.
We lost, it was a fair result, they were better…. but we weren’t dominated.
yeah I wasnt clear on that, I meant we werent dominated by Boston, nor a crappier team. They were better though, and they won.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Leafs made dumb mistakes in their own zone, Boston capitalized.
That’s how the game ended the way it did.
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 1, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a fair point. I’ve probably been guilty of that. Will keep in mind for the future.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, I think Gus got his fair share of credit in both of the blowout wins around here. “Weathering the early storm”, “.940+ save %” … there were lots of positives being thrown his way in the next day’s FTBs.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
not by all. some were saying he just got lucky after the first good game. then people were saying he could only win in blowouts, completely ignoring the ‘weathering the storm’ aspect.
people were generally more positive, but he still had his vocal detractors (just like after a loss he has his vocal supporters)
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
In the context of a Bruins team that has spanked the Leafs three times already this season? Yes. The Leafs needed their goalie to steal them one last night. Believe it or not, that happens sometimes.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
expecting that is ridiculous. You have to play defense well to give the goalie a chance. Giveaways and letting them get tons of up close shots, and then turning around and saying Gus needed to steal it, is really quite ridiculous. Why don’t we just get this Thomas character? Why can’t Gus be that good? What is he like a backup or something?
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Can we just agree that Gus played ok, but not brilliantly for this whole recent stretch of games. He was placed in a tough position, and he did ok. Not #1 goaltender dominant good, but passably good for a backup.
Whether this ok performing will continue is a debatable point. On the one hand the largest sample size we have for him says he’s bad. On the other hand, he does look to have visibly improved his play of late, and considering his stats from only that small stretch of time he has done ok. Not brilliantly, but ok.
by Wan Ihite on Dec 1, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s performing at a decent ie. good backup goalie level. I’m satisfied.
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Because sometimes teams play badly, and still win, that’s why. I know we haven’t seen this happen with the Leafs so it might be hard to believe, but it does happen. Sometimes the shittiest team in the league goes up against the best team and wins. I’m not saying I expect him to steal every game. But it’d be nice if he stole one for us from the Bruins.
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Stanley Cup Champion on a month-long unbeaten streak defeats bubble team playing over their head without their starting goalie.
Film at 11.
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by clrkaitken on Dec 1, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate when people just copy and paste the same comment from previous posts. It adds nothing to me.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Bazinga
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Beat me to the punch…
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
one could argue he stole us one against Pittsburgh. A 4-3 win stopping 34/37.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
um, the shots were 40-37 FOR the Bruins.
Your inattention to actual facts automatically invalidates everything else you said. Nevertheless…
They had 5 PPs to our 2. Gus managed to keep them off the scoresheet on those PPs for all but 1.
It was a one goal game right up until the last 5 minutes of the 3rd. They may have ‘lost by a large margin’, but this was hardly a blowout.
He won 4 consecutive games. But has shown ‘no signs of improving’?
Give me a break.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I keep saying this. the majority or problems our goaltenders face is not from letting in sfoties, it’s from not clearing the bodies out from front of the net properly.
47 shots on goal. 47. are you goddamn shitting me? our Defence leaves our goaltenders hanging out to dry,
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Right but Thomas can handle being left out to dry more often than Gustavsson. I guess what I’m trying to say is: I hate Boston.
by stevesmith19 on Dec 1, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Not all shots are created equal. Shots from right in front of the net from forwards who haven’t been cleared out are one of the worst kind.
It takes a very special goalie to compensate for that kind of poor defense.
Put it this way: A league average goaltender placed in Toronto’s net would not LOOK as good as a league average goaltender. That means that finding replacements that will perform better is harder than it looks.
thank you. my whole thesis is that We need to be clearing bodies out from the front of the net, not letting them have their time and space like the D is currently allowing them to have
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I’ve been on this bandwagon for a while, but when i brought it up here, I was met with “but he did so well in SJ”. Pssh posh! Get ’em outta there!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
http://behindthenet.ca/goalie_shot_quality.php?sort=5&mingp=1000
Based on that table, Reimer’s shot quality against (expected shooting percentage against) is identical to Thomas’ at 5v5. Also, Reimer’s actual shooting percentage against is the same as Thomas’ at 5v5.
by stevesmith19 on Dec 1, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
right. so people are basically blaming Gustavsson for not being the best goalie in the world?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
he gets no net support from his d just a few limp-wristed (not meant in that way) stick wiggles in the passing lanes.
Everytime I see a opposing player hanging out screeneing the goalie BETWEEN the D and the goalie I just rage.
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Does not compute
you said “not meant in that way” but followed it by “stick wiggles”
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
you know, when they hold position and wiggle their stick to try and get it in the passing lane, not a Long, sweeping motion that is likely to produce better results
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yeah in those instances you really got to go hard and get into the right lanes, as well as be able to change positions to mix it up a bit if necessary.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
No
He only has to be the best goalie in the world when he plays against the best goalie in the world. Against other goalies, he’s allowed to adjust his performance appropriately.
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by Back In Black on Dec 1, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
…and that one (PPG they gave up) being during a 5 on 3
The Leafs have now been scored on 5 of 6 time they’ve found themselves in that situation no matter who the goalie is.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
technically it was 5 on 4
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technically yes, but not to the point of impacting play at all.
So sure, the stat line for next time will read “Leafs have only been scored on 4 of 6 times they’ve been down 5 on 3” rather than 5 of 6 … but still.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
From a stats point of view it was worse that the guy was back on the ice, than if that goal had happened 1 second earlier, because it makes our PK look worse than it was. From the game point of view it was better, because it meant we got back to full strength immediately. Imagine if they score the goal 1 second earlier, so all it does is spring the guy who was coming out the box next second anyway. That would have been tragic.
it was worse that the guy was back on the ice, than if that goal had happened 1 second earlier, because it makes our PK look worse than it was
You’re assuming that the leafs would have killed off the 5-on-4 that followed. Could have been scored on that one too. This way, the Bruins go 1 for 2 on those 2 PPs.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Right, that’s what I meant about it being better from a game point of view.
All I meant with the first part is that they were scored on in what the STATS will count as a 5-4, but that was in reality still a 5-3 (the 4th player was on the ice but started the scoring play from pretty much the neutral zone, so far out of play as to be inconsequential).
I don’t follow. Do 5-on-3s carry less weight than 5-on-4s?
In essence (and reality), Bruins had two PPs. They scored on one, therefore, Bruins go 1 for 2. If the Bruins had scored a second earlier, they would have still had a 5-on-4 PP following the 5-on-3 giving them the opportunity to score another (and gonig 2 for 2). At best, they would have killed off the second PP, which would mean they would have still gone 1 for 2. So I don’t understand why scoring second earlier (while still on the 5 on 3) would have been better for their stats?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
All I’m saying about it is this:
you EXPECT to score on 5-3’s at a much higher rate than 5-4’s. If the puck goes in on a 5-4 you’re frustrated with your penalty kill. if it goes in on a 5-3 you shrug and are somewhat resigned to it.
So from that perspective, getting scored on in a 5-4 is worse, because you should be better at stopping goals when you have the extra defender. When someone runs the numbers o the Leafs PK at the end of the season this will go in with their 5-4 stats, and we’ll shake our head and say “look how often they get scored on”…. but really the goal wasn’t as bad as that because there were only 3 defenders available to prevent it, not the 4 that the stats recorded.
From the game-situation point of view, though, what you are saying is true. You want the guy released so that ALL penaltties are over.
Hence my original post saying that whether it was good or bad depends how you look at it. In retrospect it makes our 5-4 kill look worse than it is, but from a game dynamics point of view it was the best possible time to let in that goal.
I blame it on being way to passive on the 5-on-3. Notice last night how the forwards hung down below the top of the slot the whole time. It gives the team on the PP a free and open lane to get the puck from one side of the ice to the other (going through the point) with no resistance. Then again, I know if they commit to the point man, they could be way out of position to cover down low. Don’t exactly know the happy medium, but I know that other teams have a lot more success killing 5-on-3s than the Leafs.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Its was because COnnolly crept up to the point that there was a seam to make that cross ice pass
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Yes, but if Connolly plays up just a little higher, that original pass never gets to Seguin on the far side in the first place.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
How high do you want him? That totally takes Connolly out of the play then
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Perhaps it’s just my perception, but last night it seemed like the Bruins had free reign to pass the puck around the point all night.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think we’re analyzing and lamenting a 5-3 loss to the Stanley Cup Champions, and a team that didn’t lose in regulation the entire month of November a little too much.
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I have been won over by your argument. 3 shots swings this debate in his favour. Check and mate. Gus is great. The pitcher with the most wins is the best.
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2 questions
1) Does anybody actually disagree with this at this point? It’s pretty clear by now Jonas is a fringe NHL goalie and probably won’t be with the team (or in the NHL) come this summer.
2) What’s the alternative? Reimer was out. The team somehow managed to put up a winning record during a pretty bad month schedule-wise. Scrivens proved to be a little too inconsistent to carry the load at this level.
Yeah the odds are that the scoring is going to regress a little bit at some point this winter. Hopefully that coincides with a return of Reimer and an increase in the team’s SV%
In the meantime, 30 points out of 25 games. Need something like 63 points out of 57 games.
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Pretty much. Gus wasn’t great last night but he played pretty well all week. Sometimes shit happens.
Does Gus bounce back on Saturday night? Does anyone point out that in Boston’s 3-0 record against Toronto the difference in team SV% is probably close to .1?
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by Chemmy on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Does anyone point out that in Boston’s 3-0 record against Toronto the difference in team SV% is probably close to .1?
Wait what?
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Tim Thomas vs Toronto this year: 3-0, 85/90 = 0.944
Scrivens and Gus vs. BOS: 0-3, 84/102 = 0.824
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Too small of a sample size to be meaningful but that’s an 880 (!!!!!) PDO in three games against Boston.
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yeah, things have gone about as they possibly could have against Boston so far this year. glad we’re playing them again Saturday.
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woo.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Bingo. Oh no we lost the division lead. We were going to sometime. I just want to make the playoffs.
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Oh no we lost the division lead. We were going to sometime.
Take that back! I expected no less than first this season!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Herman Cain is not laughing
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by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Gustavsson stat line the last week
3-1-0 2.71 GAA .911 SV%
Given the Leafs goaltending the past few years, we would take that from our starter. That’s what we got from the backup.
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Yeah, he stepped up for us big time in a week we needed him and I’m willing to toss him a mulligan for last night given that it’s Boston.
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fuck. thank you.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
D coverage left a lot to be desired last night.
Boston just ran of 25 of 26 points for the month.
Their top line went to town on us.
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D coverage left a lot to be desired last night.
Awful. Fuckin awful.
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To be further fair to Gus, he kept us in it the first 5 or 6 minutes. They were fucking all over us at the start of the game.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
and to be fair to the whole team, two calls went against the Leafs that directly resulted in 2 goals.
we get those calls and it was probably a different game entirely.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Gus did his job as far as I’m concerned. Kept us in the game.
He might like the rebound on the 4th one back, but Liles needs to do a better job tying up I wanna say it was Kelly.
The 5th goal is all on Schenn.
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Even the Chara goal, he should have probably challenged him more
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Then again where’s the backchecker picking up Chara?
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Kessel. Probably his first bad backcheck all season. But to be fair all his momentum was heading up the ice, until Lupul got tripped.
fucking refs.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
yeah Chara was the 4th guy, someone should have had him. Lord knows they had time to get back and at least take his stick. Then again, Gus wants that goal back for SURE.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
At that distance from the goal, i’m just happy Chara didn’t tear Gus’ shoulder off with his shot.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
it was a weak wristshot for a guy like Chara. That’s probably one of weak goals Gus referred to, though some backchecking would have prevented it altogether.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I kind of understand what happened.
I guess it’s hard to say too much about Gus on that play when a wide-open Chara gets the puck in the slot on a 4 on 3.
Gus got a piece of it. Chara just beat him low. Chara’s other options on that play were a pass to the short side or blow Gus’ head off with a clapper.
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he beat him low stick side, pretty much every goalies weak spot
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So what you’re saying is that Gus is better than every other goalie, right?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just thrilled that got from the left side all the way over and out to challenge Chara without oversliding. The movement and positioning Gus showed on that play, well, was unGustavssonian.
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If he over played that one a bit if would have hit him in the pants.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Dec 1, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, I said the same thing below. We rip on the D, but Phaneuf made an excellent play on Lucic in front to tie up his stick and move him out of the shooting lane, but Chara was left alone
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yup, it’s on the forward to come back and take the stick there.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
The guy I went with last night was going on about how bad Phaneuf is. A couple of times he said “Get off the ice Phaneuf!”. I was ready to snap.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
Your buddy is a moron, who probably moves his lips when he reads, enjoyed the movie Jack and Jill and considers Applebees fine dining.
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by leafer1984 on Dec 1, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha, it wasn’t really a ‘buddy’… an older dude (in his 50s) that i work with. he’s been a fan his whole life and is otherwise seemingly pretty knowledgable about hockey.
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
All my comments still apply.
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moves his lips when he reads
I know a lot of people who move their lips when they read.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry, moves his lips when he reads in his head.
IS THIS OKAY NOW?
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I know he did. The leafs D did a terrible job all night. 3 of those goals from last night can be attributed to the defence being bad and 1 was the forwards doing a terrible job of backchecking
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Yep. How many of those goals were scored by a Bruin pretty much being left totally uncovered?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 1, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes shit happens
See, this is what I’m looking for. When a guy wins your 4 in a row, with a .940 SV% or whatever it is, you can’t take a game like last night and put the blame on the one guy, especially with the breakdowns in d-coverage.
did he look spectacular? no. but he kept them in it for long stretches. sometimes shit happens. that’s hockey. move on.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Shit happens. Exactly/
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keep in mind
the first 4 goals he gives up don’t count because the first was from seguin and he’s really good. The second he couldn’t see. The third was tipped. And the fourth — well, he’s on the road and his defense sucks.
Excuse me while I rewatch that clip of him stoning Red Wings AHLers two preseasons ago on repeat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPsCb3IQTN4
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I didn’t say he wasn’t to blame at all. But the Leafs play in their own zone did hang him out to dry somewhat.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 1, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
The leafs have a small advantage over the bruins in shooting percentage but not enough to make up for the save percentage advantage Boston enjoys. Unless Thomas has a poor game or the leaf goalie matches the Bruins sv%, the leafs need to dramatically outshoot Bruins and win based on outscoring.
Also that was Thomas’s second worst game of the year sv% wise.
One other positive. Watching the Leafs lose sucks but watching them lose with the PPP community makes it much better.
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by Chuck Diesel on Nov 30, 2011 11:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Also my gf (Bruins fan) likes my goatee, so threatening to shave it off should the Leafs lose the next game has been nothing short of unbelievably amusing.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 30, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
If you do follow through with this threat, do what I did last week: Shave it off in the middle of the night without warning so that she’s completely surprised when she wakes up to see it in the morning.
by Peter Lynn on Dec 1, 2011 9:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The coaching staff just isn’t happy with Franson. They clearly didn’t like his game in Dallas when I was there and then Aulie gets the call right away (a decision made easier by Gunnarsson’s injury but not solely because of it I bet).
Wilson’s lost faith in Franson and he’s having a hard time playing while knowing that.
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by James Mirtle on Nov 30, 2011 11:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 30, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
That’s rough because he’s incredibly talented. His skating is better than we thought, he makes a great first pass, and he can shoot. I would expect Franson to be the far better player than Schenn down the road.
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Is it cliche to say Franson hasn’t given enough of a chance with the Leafs?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
*been given
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 30, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
It has been said. But at the same time, Nashville gave up on him as well.
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I thought Franson was playing at least no worse than Schenn. What the heck is up with him?
by theninjagreg on Dec 1, 2011 12:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I was pretty disappointed, I thought Schenn had really been turning things around. I was also disappointed as on paper, Aulie-Liles looks like a good pairing (veteran puck-moving defenseman with Young defensive defenseman), but that wasn’t very good tonight
Franson should really be given that chance over Aulie.
by Chi-town leafs on Nov 30, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Aulie-Liles looks like a good pairing (veteran puck-moving defenseman with Young defensive defenseman)
On paper, they both play the left side, and neither one has a history of being strong defensively.
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by Bower Power on Nov 30, 2011 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well ideally Aulie is a defensive defensman… right now he can only be loosely described as a defenseman.
I did ignore sides, as it seems like regardless of what line up we field, some one has to play the wrong side.
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 1, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
inclined to agree
although i’m not sure why that’s the case. I can’t recall very many instances where he’s made egregious mistakes but the org clearly has it in for him.
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Clearly Franson is doing something wrong that isn’t showing up in our eyes that they see.
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Maybe they’re asking him to do things and he won’t, or there’s a locker room something, or who knows. There’s a lot that goes on that we don’t see is all I’m suggesting.
He keeps trying to change the radio to the country station
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
He stuck a pacifier in Kadri’s mouth in training camp
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by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
It’s odd – if not worrying – to me that they’ve made this decision after just 10 games played, with just 16 minutes ATOI in each. He’s also got a D-worst PDO of 957 and a zone start worse then everyone but Schenn and Komisarek (though his OZone finish is low).
I don’t know that Franson has gotten a fair shake. I’m not sure that he’s earned one – he hasn’t really outplayed anyone on the D – but it seems like the Leafs coaching staff isn’t really making an effort to let him work it out. I think the team has made much more of an effort to gift Aulie with a slot than Franson, and for the 2 cents my opinion isn’t worth, I’m not sure it’s due.
I dunno, maybe it’s something they don’t like in practice.
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by Bower Power on Nov 30, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Damn
That has be to a record for smallest # of games played to lost faith ratio.
How many games did they run out Toskala before the coach “lost faith”? Jeez.
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I think it’s fair to say Franson hasn’t been using his size to the extent we’d like. He’s a big guy, and we want him to play that way, use his big shot. But to be honest, even when he’s been pretty good out there I’ve always felt like he could be doing better. He barely gets off those big slappers he was known for, instead preferring wrist shots. He has so much potential, I just don’t quite get it. I don’t think he’s been terrible through the season….
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know but if we’re not going to play him, I’d like us to be entertaining offers (as I’m sure we are).
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Another positive: Frattin scored! Woo!
Being at the game, I thought the Leafs had some good sustained pressure at times but were unable to beat Thomas. Kessel in particular had several glorious chances including the breakaway. On the other hand, Gustavsson started excellently, making some decent stops before letting in the 2nd and 3rd goals, and then, like a Gust of wind.. it was over.
And yes the ACC was pretty live with a good number of Bruins jerseys mixed in with the Leafs Nation faithful, and got good and loud on the Leafs’ goals. But the third period became morgue-like, complete with “death bells” (chimes?) as the girl sitting behind me called them. What’s up with that?
It was my first game at the ACC in over 10 years and I really hoped the Leafs could pull it off, and it seemed within reach until the 5th goal. It wasn’t utter domination like we’ve seen in the past when these two teams meet.
Also, can anyone tell me why Ron pulls the goalie with 2 min left when the Leafs are down by 2??? I was looking for stats on Empty Net conversion rate (or +/-) recently, does anyone know if they are kept anywhere? It really seems (but I don’t have the numbers to back it up) that the Leafs are quite poor with the empty net. The way they played the last 2 mins they might as well have left Gustavsson in.
Well, (generally) good effort against the near-perfect Bruins (in November)…
Can’t wait for REIM TIME to start again!
Also, can anyone tell me why Ron pulls the goalie with 2 min left when the Leafs are down by 2??? I was looking for stats on Empty Net conversion rate (or +/-) recently, does anyone know if they are kept anywhere? It really seems (but I don’t have the numbers to back it up) that the Leafs are quite poor with the empty net. The way they played the last 2 mins they might as well have left Gustavsson in.
Because +/- is stupid and why the hell not?
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Because it isn’t worth it?? Has it ever worked? Or is the idea that a 3 goal loss is no worse than a 2 goal loss so who cares at that point?
And forget I mentioned the hated +/-. I just wanted to know if there are records kept of how effective pulling the goalie is as a tactic – what the results were when teams pulled their goalie.
This claims that pulling the goalie improves the chance of scoring by 4x but scoring a goal is successful only 10% of the time and fails 90% of the time.
A loss by 2 or a loss by 1 is still a loss, so there is nothing more to lose by pulling the goalie (aside from worsening +- which may come into play for conference rankings). And it is a way for the team to practice for when the situation matters in the playoffs.
Further, studies show that NHL coaches usually don’t pull the goalie early enough. Getting the extra skater out there with a full two minutes to go (rather than waiting until the final minute) raises the chances that your team will score not just one goal, but two.
It absolutely is worth it and it has worked before
Or is the idea that a 3 goal loss is no worse than a 2 goal loss so who cares at that point?
Also this. Losing by 3 and losing by 2 means the same in the standings.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
But our dignity...
Ya but losing 6-3 to the bruins is so much worse than 5-3…
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
True. That’s a risk I guess the coach is making.
a game like last night, it didn’t look like the Leafs were crisp enough to score another goal. Especially with the D, that empty netter was bound to happen. unless they were just trying to get kess a goal against the Bruins, i wuda kept Gus in and been satisfied with 5-3.
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
Habs lost…..to the Ducks.
Every cloud has a silver lining, I guess.
TWEET AT ME BRO
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 AM EST reply actions
He's going to the Rangers.
I know it. You know it. The Rangers always seem to get these kinds of marquee players (and by “always” I mean “Richards”, which for my part I’m glad we lost out on).
Fuck the Rangers. Preemptively.
Richards was UFA so that’s a bit different, but Sather has made some decent trades in the past.
NYR may feel like they are in “win now” mode with Lundqvist in his prime and signing Richards forever.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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Not necessarily, but it will definitely quiet rumours down for a while.
The team isn’t any different than it was 24 hours ago. If Boudreau can stop Hiller from playing terrible and get the big 3 going then maybe they can put it to rest.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
They (the sHabs) are the new Slump-Busters!
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Boston is just better... right now
All the signs were pointing toward a loss tonight.
1) Boston has owned us so far this year
2) Boston has more depth up front
3) Chara
4) Thomas
5) that little 11-0-1 November record coming in to tonight
It’s not surprising really, is it? Boston is a cup champion, we are trying to establish consistency and a playoff berth. We are among the youngest teams in the league. This effort was better to be sure. The empty netter makes it look like a blowout, which it wasn’t.
@muellercleez
Agreed. Boston was playing like a cup contender, we were playing like a lower level playoff team. It wasn’t a blowout like it has been in the past, and was, all told, a fairly realistic reflection of hte relative position of the two teams. We probably should have lost to Boston last night, all things considered, and if we played just like that we would have beaten a lot of other teams in the league.
There’s a lot of randomness to one game… Boston could have legitimately blown us out, we could have legitimately won. But this final result was right around the middle of the expected range of possibilities, IMHO.
by Wan Ihite on Dec 1, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha you keep using abbreviations that i have to look up.
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
wait..so there are two Leafers and two Leaflovers?
this is going to get confusing at some point
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
This is worse than having a Kerry Fraser and a Ferry Kraser like we had a while ago.
People need to start picking less obvious name permutations ;)
oh ok. not so bad. the “forever” part was self-evident for me
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
Boston also didn’t have six regulars out. Let’s see them depleted like the leafs are.
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by torleafsfan29 on Dec 1, 2011 9:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I count 5, but only 1 is really a KEY KEY component
Armstrong, Komisarek, Reimer, Lombardi, Brown.
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Komisarek was actually playing well, so hed probably be preferable to Aulie. Reimer is key. Armstrong helps the Leafs win a lot for some reason.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
At the end of the day he’s still like the 5th/6th D at best. 50% of teams in the league probably have their depth D injured right now.
Reimer is the difference maker, the others are 3rd, 4th liners that we can’t really point to as a reason for losing.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
No, but we all would love Cheese back. Even though we’ve not been able to explain it, the team has generally performed better with him in (3SA I know). I know I’d love him back on our 3rd line.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Like you said, small sample size, but Armstrong has a zone shift of 12%. Beast.
by stevesmith19 on Dec 1, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
yeah and he draws penalties too. He’s the pest we are lacking right now, to be honest.
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
we need brown too, especially that stache
connolly and wilson gave their best shot though…
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by crazycanuck1113 on Dec 1, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
They might have good prospects, who knows
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nobody close to elite at the forward position (Hockey’s Future), so they’d have to throw in some roster players.
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that being said their first rounder this year might be a pretty high pick.
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Burke “probably” talking but no firm reports of talks.
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Since the Kessel deal, there has never really been much correct media speculation on what Burke is “saying” or who he’s talking to.
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@LeafsBB20
Talked em down to a reqaquired Lebda & a 5th for Bobby. They’re waiting to hear back if NYR will throw in a 4th. Gotta act cool around press now
Holy crap!
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
Bruce Boudreau replaces Randy Carlyle as head coach of the Anaheim Ducks, as per team release.
Well, That was quick
Good move
They’ll be a much hungrier team
by TomServo42 on Dec 1, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Hungry, yes. SoCal has the perfect Haagen-Dazs weather.
by ShahofToronto on Dec 1, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
/icecreamed
"Changing the general manager doesn’t change the roster we’re going to dress tonight. It doesn’t change the record of our team. It doesn’t change the chapters of history with unfulfilled expectations that preceded today.
"What it does represent though is a turning of the page. For me, we’re turning the page and now we get to write on blank pages and make changes and get this team to where it needs to be."
Tommys was IIRC the best late night drunk food. That chili was weapons grade stuff.
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by torleafsfan29 on Dec 1, 2011 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so much for the Ducks and their internal budget.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Dec 1, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Well, think about it
That was rocket fast. They snapped boudreau up within a week. Was this preplanned?
Is Anaheim’s management now satisfied? If so, does this mean the Bobby Ryan shop is now more expensive/less priority/off the table?
Several people from both TSN and Snet have expressed concerns over the shop, along the lines of “how does moving a young, 71-point playmaking giant winger help your team long term?”
Also fired: Mike Foligno, the next Maple Leafs assistant coach, in charge of Spaceballs helmets.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Dec 1, 2011 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
The nearest Haagen-Dazs shop is 3.0 miles away, right next to DisneyLand.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I’m guessing Bruce already knew that from previous road trips. ;-)
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Schenn was absolutely hammered in Fenwick (-5) and Corsi (-8) tonight
Fair enough. He was also one of only three players with a non-negative difference between defensive zone faceoffs and offensive zone faceoffs (def-off).
I’m not trying to say that Schenn hasn’t a bad season so far. He has. But only he and Komisarek have started in the o-zone less than 50% of the time. Despite opinions to the contrary, Schenn also has a positive zone shift.
He’ll continue to improve.
Leafs were in this game till around the last 10 minutes. Taking bad penalties and inconsistent reffing is what sunk them. There were at least 2 or so powerplays the Leafs should have got and one or so penalties that shouldnt have been called on them. Whatever. Hopefully they can put out a good showing in Boston.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
I think this should say something to the game the Leafs played tonight. Sure, they ended up losing 6-3, but the game was a lot closer than the score would lead you to believe. Looking at the positives, the Leafs played a decent game on the PK tonight, against the red hot Bruins, nonetheless. With at the penalties they took, I’m surprised the Bruins did stick it to them 7-1 again. They were skating well in the first period and looked to be playing a tight game. It felt like after they gained some confidence, though, they loosened up too much and started playing sloppy again. Bruins took full advantage of it.
And near the end there when it was still 4-3 and it was announced that Schenn and Liles were on the ice together, I cringed, knowing that a goal was to follow, and sure enough, they potted one with 30 seconds to make it 5-3.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
….so…is there an FTB today?
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
Re: Anaheim
I remember hearing a few places (sorry, no sources at hand) that Anaheim was in a cash crunch and wouldn’t fire Carlyle casue they’d still have to pay off the 3 years of his extension. So, would picking up Carlyle to be the Leafs’ assistant coach of stick taping or something to let Anaheim get out from under that contract buy enough good will with the Ducks to send Bobby Ryan this way for a 6th round pick or something?
I think this Ryan talk is all smokescreen anyhow. Throw all the talking heads on that scent then suddenly BAM! Getzlaf for Kadri.
The Sabres injury parade continues!
And therefore they’ve called up Matt Frattin’s lawnmower-throwing partner in crime, Joe Finley!
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Transferred to IR Jail.
BOBBYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by LeafFan1989 on Dec 1, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Krejci extended 3 years
no cap hit yet
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Guess that 3 point night against the Leafs put it over the top.
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$5.25M/year
DarrenDreger
3 year extension for Krejci in Boston. $5.25 cap hit.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
Krejci is good but that seems pretty high. Maybe because of the shorter term.
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
My thoughts as well. 5.25 seems like an awful lot for him, but soemone who watches the Bruins more closely might be able to support why that is a good price.
Corny?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Wait a tick...
Ducks win, Carlyle fired anyways.
Could this be the first firing of an NHL coach where his last game with the team wasn’t a fire?
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that there have probably been a fair number fired in the off-season after losing seasons that ended with a futile win in the last game. But I assume you mean midseason firings.
Mid-season only.
Going back, Boudreau – loss, Maurice – loss, Payne – loss, MacLean – loss…..
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Guy carbonneau – 3-1 over Dallas March 8, Guy gone March 10 2009 If I researched it right
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
Correct
Before him,
Claude Julien fired April 2, 2007 after NJ beat BOS 3-1 the night before
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I’m sure Lou’s done it more than once.
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Kessel
What a sweet play that was on the Lupul goal.
He is now exactly halfway to matching his production last year.
there we go. focus on the positives.
that was a fucking dicknasty pass and a dicknasty snipe.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Other positives.
Leaf PK and PP both improved last night
Grabbo cannot be denied even on the fourst line
Leafs caused Thomas to have his second worse SV% outing this season
Phil still a top of points and scoring board. Lupul #2 in scoring
This is what gets me excited for the future.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
and who would have predicted that at the start of the year?
This must be what that mysterious “depth” thing is other teams talk about.
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
If the Leafs make the playoffs and everyone is healthy, assuming no major changes that right there is the fourth line.
Cynically Sarcastic
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So, Steckel on the 3rd line in that scenario?
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Who goes out of the lineup for Armstrong?
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Rosehill, Dupuis, Frattin
Pick one
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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was replying to the comment that that line stays together. I doubt it, because I do see Frattin coming out for Armstrong.
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Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
Be interesting to see what happens with a couple of these younger kids if both the Marlies and Leafs make the playoffs.
The Leafs obviously icing the best possible team is the prime directive but a long Calder Cup run for kids like Kadri, Colborne and Frattin is invaluable.
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
They can still send them down later if the Leafs run ends first right?
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man
can Frattin ever take a hit. First Beauchamin, then last night as well. It’s pretty awesome to see
by Neale's Harry on Dec 1, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Hitting Frattin is, I dare say, like hitting a big rock with a lawnmower.
by Peter Lynn on Dec 1, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Makes me Frattin my Colboner!
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V.v.V
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 1, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Despite not scoring a goal, he looked dangerous as ever out there, too.
by Self Destructive Zones on Dec 1, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, that whole line looked great last night.
despite the score it was definitely an entertaining game to watch live. I never mind when I’m at a game and there’s 70+ total shots and 8+ goals (unless it’s 7-1 or something).
I had something really clever to say here. But I forgot.
The Frattin goal was awesome too – I watched the replay like 5 times, he knew exactly what he was doing. There’s wasn’t a Leaf player in sight.
Yup he knew alright.
He heard Don’s voice saying “put it on net and good things will happen”
He got lucky, plain and simple
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Pff, 89% of shooting is luck anyway
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
He deserved that for all the posts earlier in the season.
"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Dec 1, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
He would look infinitely more dangerous if he were playing with linemates who could help him with possession.
Kessel’s Corsi On is -3.64 whereas Bozak and Lupul’s are -10.92 and -9.98, respectively. Keep in mind they all of o-zone starts above 55%.
For comparison’s sake, Colborne has a worse Corsi On (-13.06) but starts in the o-zone 43.2%. I kind of want to see what he can do with Kessel, to be honest.
by stevesmith19 on Dec 1, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Glass half full scenario. The Leafs would be a +15 in goal differential if you take away the 3 losses to the Bruins. Fucking Bruins! As it stands, we’re a +1.
Leaf related ulcers, 36 years strong, and growing.
by Halifax Hockey Hooligan on Dec 1, 2011 10:29 AM EST reply actions
Leafs lulling them into a false sense of security. So if they end up as number 1 in the East and the Leafs as 8, we can upset them in the first round.
by stevesmith19 on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Damn straight Steve!
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by Halifax Hockey Hooligan on Dec 1, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Boston has played 23 games, 3 against the Leafs they scored 23% of their goals scored in 13% of their games.
Fuck the Bruins.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Dec 1, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
So before anybody else wants to tar and feather me, yes I was probably being too hard on Gustavsson this morning. He’s no worldbeater, and I don’t think he ever will be, but he did win four games in a row and full credit to him for that. It would have been awesome if he had stolen that game last night, a game that was definitely winnable, and certainly there’s plenty of blame to go around. If anything, I guess I’m guilty of hoping that Gus would be able to steal a game from a team that was 11-0-1 at the time, and setting myself up for disappointment.
Anyways, onward and upward.
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well he gets another try, right? or is reimer going to be subjected to the bruins running him for three periods?
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Transferred to IR Jail.
You do realize that Reimer has a black mask now. He has turned to the dark side.
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
He could but he won’t. Why is he paying all his white wearing foot soldiers for?
(Sidenote. Why would you clone a guy who can’t even shoot a million times to build your army? Stupid.)
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
That’s what you get when you outsource
Professional cusser causer.
by T is for Truculence on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
So he is the leader of the Autobots while simultaneously being a Dark Lord ruling the Galactic empire?
Cmon guys, this is getting a bit unreasonable!
“I don’t know if Momma was right or if, if it’s Lieutenant Dan. I don’t know if we each have a destiny, or if we’re all just floating around accidental-like on a breeze, but I, I think maybe it’s both.”
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
Does today’s generation still remember that movie?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly love that movie and yes
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
I was only 8 when that movie came out. I remember thinking, “what’s all the fuss about, it’s kinda boring/not that good.”
Then again, at that time I prefered movies like “3 Ninjas” and “Street Fighter”.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Lol, 3 Ninjas. Man I loved that movie. I have to re watch it to see how bad it was. My dad would cringe when I would reach for it.
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Only after a few years and when ‘High Noon at Mega Mountain’ came out did I realize how bad they actually were.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure what you mean by “today’s generation”, but I watched it as an adult.
Bored the crap out of me.
by LeafInVancouver on Dec 1, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Now let’s all hold hands and sing “cumbaya”
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
No,
Guy next to me looks sweaty…
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
social contact makes me anxious.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I’m guilty of hoping that Gus would be able to steal a game from a team that was 11-0-1 at the time, and setting myself up for disappointment.
There’s your problem! Honestly, we can’t (and this goes for everyone, not just you) go around complaining about a goalie not being average for 2 years, then complain about him being average instead of spectacular. He was pretty average last night. Maybe below it. But those 4 games buy him some leniency.
In any case, rec’d for overall positive tone.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Why have I been reading (in my mind… while moving my lips) all your posts today in an angry scolding tone of voice?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
lol, for some reason I always read VRN in an angry tone.
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
Like how I always read PFACNF in Professor Farnsworth’s voice
Cynically Sarcastic
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
Oh my, yes.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I always read Chemmy in the voice of Bugs Bunny. I have absolutely no idea why.
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
I always read Chemmy’s voice as (who’s that guy that plays in those movies with the witches and wizards, always waving the wand, the one where they’ve made like 9 movies too many of?)
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
McLovin?
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
daoust is probably right. i’m a little cranky this morning.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
More good thoughts
Last night,
Leafs were beaten by the Cup Champs who are on a huge hot streak.
Montreal was beaten by the 28th place team who then proceeded to fire their coach.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
This should bring us all together.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
These losses to the bruins are tough to swallow… but there are only 3 games left against them…
Win or no win, let’s put our differences aside for now. If gus is not good enough, let burke do his stuff, no use arguing all day anyways.
Just took a look at the schedule… we still have 6 games against the sabres, and quite a bunch with the islanders… these points are pretty huge if we can get them! this season depends on…
1. Staying healthy
2. Taking points we should get (Isles, Sens, Jets, etc.) , and grabbing as many we aren’t expected to (Pens, Wings?)
3. Making the playoffs and cursing the habs/bruins/(insert hated team here) into oblivion
As for the scapegoat? I’ve heard that some Finger guy is still buried in the minors…?
Distance doesn't matter, passion does. Bleeding blue and white 10000+ kilometres away!!
by crazycanuck1113 on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 AM EST reply actions
no use arguing all day anyways.
Ohhhh you’re new.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
oh yeah, first time commenting here ;-)
Distance doesn't matter, passion does. Bleeding blue and white 10000+ kilometres away!!
by crazycanuck1113 on Dec 1, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
You have now made 7 comments. Your free comment grace period has expired. Let me know prove through the use of advanced stats why arguing all day is a good thing.
by theninjagreg on Dec 1, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
chart? pretty hard… but is this ok for starters?
Distance doesn't matter, passion does. Bleeding blue and white 10000+ kilometres away!!
by crazycanuck1113 on Dec 1, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 15 recs
Haha Gustavsson has more points than Columbus.
Awesome chart.
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I think this means we’ve finally managed to quantify how bad Columbus is.
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Transferred to IR Jail.
as bad as a Swedish backup goaltender after 3 heart surgeries?
by Goosemonster on Dec 1, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
ladies and gentlemen:
we have a new front-runner for rookie commenter of the year.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 1, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Crazycanuck1113: You can go down in history along side the greats like FLYERROB and… okay I’m too new here to add anymore names to this list.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
whoa… that’s setting the bar waaay too high for me! time to get modest now ;-)
Distance doesn't matter, passion does. Bleeding blue and white 10000+ kilometres away!!
by crazycanuck1113 on Dec 1, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
This sort of thing is also proof you’re new here.
There is NO room for modesty on this board. Also no reward for same…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
wow pretty amazing for an 8th post. You might just be a legend one day. Still for now 3SA
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Dec 1, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
now
/stickler’d
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 1, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
no use arguing all day anyways.
this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen written on this board.. Arguing all day is a fantastic use of time and you’re wrong, sir.
Wrong Wrong Wrong.
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ok, ok, i’m young and stupid… but i admit it’s hard following this on the other side of the earth… it’s 1 a.m. here…yawn
Distance doesn't matter, passion does. Bleeding blue and white 10000+ kilometres away!!
by crazycanuck1113 on Dec 1, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
wrong! you are not stupid, and it’s 11:26AM.
your username keeps making me think you’re a Canucks fan. Curse them for that
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He can’t be since he’s too busy trying to keep the peace
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sorry, no love for the canucks. I’m in the far east now!
just stands out being a canadian here, but i wear my leafs jersey with pride ;-)
Distance doesn't matter, passion does. Bleeding blue and white 10000+ kilometres away!!
by crazycanuck1113 on Dec 1, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
no use arguing all day anyways.
I just wanted to be like cheapshot and elseldo
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I just wanted to be like cheapshot
Happens all the time.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
no use arguing all day anyways.
I disagree. Rebuttal?
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Damn. Scratch that, reply fail.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
That last comment always gets ya!
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 1, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Boston sucks, so let's talk about V.v.V
Anyone else thinking that with healthy regulars returning that the Leafs should keep Crabb up over Frattin? Both are playing very well but I just like Crabb’s energy and think he’s playing to his level, third line energy guy with a big PK upside. Frattin looks like he has the skill to break the top six and just think he should go back with Colborne to work together some more.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Crabb up overFrattinDupuis
Yes
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 1, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
the Leafs should keep Crabb up over Frattin?
Frattin is waiver exempt, so if, if enough players get healthy he’ll get sent back to the Marlies. I’d wager he’s the guy who gets sent down once Armstrong comes back. Also, I’d say that Colborne will probably go with him.
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On thing that excites me about a healthy roster is our 3rd line will likely be(assuming Bozak keeps playing this well) Grabbo, Army and Lombardi…….Oh dear God.
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I would take that as well. I really hope Kule can tunr it around or I have a feeling he is out the door sooner rather then later.
When losing an argument on the internet, be sure to attack someones grammar. That is the only way to save face.
I wouldn’t get rid of Kulemin, not by a long shot. His production has gone done and as a result his upcoming RFA contract will be a bit lower.
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Either do I, I’m just surprised by his regression. I knew there would be one, had no idea he would struggle this much. Maybe he is in a bad funk, but this is a long funk
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