Another goalie injury, another controversy in net?
by birky on Nov 5, 2011 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintWith the news that James Reimer has suffered a setback in his return from an upper-body injury (very obviously a concussion), there seems to potentially be a new controversy in net. The story should sound familiar by now, as goaltending has been the Leafs most unsettled position since the lockout. While Jonas Gustavsson has played well enough to win some games, his performances were no where near as impressive as that of Ben Scrivens' 38 save performance on Thursday night (in Columbus). Scrivens looked much more relaxed in net and is better at playing the puck. That said, as long as Gustavsson isn't losing games, it may not matter all that much. I'd expect to see Gustavsson back in net against Boston tonight, but if Scrivens gets the call and puts in another strong performance, things may get a little more complicated for Brian Burke & Co.
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My head says it will probably be Gustavsson tonight
But my heart wants it to be Scrivens. Well, really Reimer, but I can’t always get what I want.
The more I look the scores of the last half dozen or so games, the more it looks like Leafs have been winning games DESPITE Gustavsson, not because of him. Scrivens hasn’t proven much at all, but he looks a lot more like a Reimer 2.0. Not saying he will be, but his Allaire-style technical positioning really showed well. Plus that one post to post (or post to pad or whatever) last game? Kid can move too.
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I can’t see why they shouldn’t just play Scrivens given how he played against Columbus, why wouldn’t you ride the hot hand?
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The counterpoint is of course that Scrivens was only playing because it was a lowly opponent and on a back-to-back, couldn’t have been a better time to throw a guy in for his 1st NHL game.
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True, but Gus hasn’t really staked his claim for the starters job in Reimer’s absence so I don’t really think we would be losing anything with Scrivens in net, even if the quality of the opponent is way higher
In summing up, it's the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe and... No, that's it, it's the vibe. I rest my case
Boston is having a shit time scoring goals this year, right now I’d be happy if the Leafs win 7-6, and frankly am more worried about the forwards getting shots past Thomas than stopping them
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
we can’t allow more than a couple of goals because Thomas will make it tough on us. And if they play D anything like the last time we met the B’s we’re fucked.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
well yeah, that was just an attempt to high light the “bruins are low scoring, we need to out score them because we wont out save them” thing
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I would like to see Ben in net again too but my feeling is that it won’t happen.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
I think all our hearts want it to be Scrivens in net and playing very well to provide the Leafs with two young and talented goaltenders to roll once Reimer gets back. But I won’t allow myself to forget that it was one game by Scrivens. Can’t say anything but good things because there has only been one game. If they put him in and Boston eats him alive, is that the best thing?
I will be very surprised if Scrivens gets the start.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 5, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that one reason Scrivens would get the start, and I’m not saying he will, is that Gustavsson got totally shelled the last time he started against Boston. It seems to me that Gus’s mental game is not quite solid at times, and that you would maybe want to shelter him from another blow out, because even though he’s been playing okay, another horrible start for him could be devistating on his psyche.
I’m all for starting Scrivens, give him an opportunity to show what he can do. That being said, I’m willing to wager that Gus starts tonight.
by JohnerstonRex on Nov 5, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
FUCK THE BRUINS, no matter who’s in net
by joe leaf fan on Nov 5, 2011 7:26 AM EDT reply actions 14 recs
I want to win games, I think Scrivens gives us the best chance to win games. Start Scrivens.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 5, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
yeah, with reimer in net, we can win games even when the offence cools down, or during close goaltending contests. If Scrivens can be like Reimer but with a lower GAA? Daaammnn…
we need to be able to win games without our offense generating 4 goals, and since Gus is a lock to let in at least three a night, they pretty much have to.
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Nov 5, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
false, Gus is a lock to let in one (bad) goal a game, the defense are a lock to let the other team waltz in and pot 2 easy ones
Lets not get too excited about scrivens until he at least has 10 games under his belt
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
Columbus is a pretty sad team, and with four goals scored we woulda probably won that game even with Gus in net.
you’re right in that Gus had one game where he let in only 2 goals – the Rangers game. Other than that, he’s let in 3 a night minimum.
trying to hold a 4-3 lead in the 3rd would have been a different experience than a 4-1 lead, and Scrivens made sure it was the latter.
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by Peter de Chatham on Nov 5, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope that whatever goalie we play does a good job and the Leafs win. Also would like Kessel to score 1 or 2 because that always gets me excited in the pants.
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We’ve had to suffer through Pogge/Rask once. Feels like V2.0 here with Gus/Ben. Yes we are riding high but patience now more than ever is required. Yes the moves BB has made thus far are looking brilliant but the next ones are arguably even more important.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
that is a totally different situation. the Pogge/Rask debacle was two prospects with ZERO nhl experience compared to a guy who has been in the NHL for three years now and put up nothing but mediocrity with flashes of brilliance offset by flashes of terror
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Komi was also coming off injuries when he signed here but is slowly rounding back into form now. Gus had tons to deal with when he came over along with learning the NA game. He didn’t play a single period in the final 3 months in the NHL. He did play in the Ahl and was lights out. Let’s discard him quickly for the shiny new toy with 1 game under his belt.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not saying we should discard him yet, but the Komi comparison isn’t really good either, better than terrible still isn’t very good and he is nowhere near a 4.5 mil defender and I would trade him for a 7th rounder at the drop of a hat tomarrow
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
What has Gus down to earn more playing time?
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This isn’t youth sports. You don’t keep playing guys with the hope they improve. That’s how you lose hockey games.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
The whole sympathy thing has nothing to do with it. Gustavsson has had glaring holes in his game since he came over here and has not improved. The difference with Rask/Pogge is we didn’t see either of them play in the NHL and JFJ decided to A: trade one for a crap goalie and B: pick the wrong one to trade
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t keep playing guys with the hope they improve. That’s how you lose hockey games.
True but proper asset management is how you build a championship team. Throwing away players because they haven’t shown anything in their limited time to do so is also not the right way to go. What is the right way? I don’t know, my profession is not in the hockey field but as in any field, asset management (time, personelle, money, resources, etc.) is key for any success.
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So Komi for a 7th rounder and waive Gus according to you guys. So glad you aren’t GM of the Leafs.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Gustavsson hasn’t performed consistently at the NHL level. At some point, you have to cut your losses.
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he’d be a real good starter for the Marlies
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoa whoa, we could get a 7th rounder for Komisarek??
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
you wouldn’t trade Komisarek for a 7th?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I might slightly miss this newer version of him that isn’t totally bad, but i’d get over it pretty quick when I saw that shiny $4.5M in cap space.
Seriously, that’s a shitload of cap space.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
4.5 mill in cap space until 2014
see you later mike!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
You think
because Komisarek has gone +8 over a 4 game stretch that it makes up for his years of bad play? Dude, he’s the 12th highest paid D man in the NHL, and you’re happy with a 4 game stretch of play?
Thank whoever is in charge that YOU aren’t GM Of the Leafs.
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by Steve Burtch on Nov 5, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Putting words into my mouth saying 1/6 of a season makes up for previous 2 yrs. Just believe he has more value then a 7th rounder as does Gus just getting waived. Last time BB waived a goalie, Bryzgalov. Surely that is in the back of his head too.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
he waived Bryz because he had a pay day coming and he had Hiller and Giguere playing out of their mind. He also didn’t waive Bryz because he thought he sucked, Burke waived Bryz as a favour to Bryz, so he could go play somewhere
and Komisarek may have a higher value than a 7th, but the value probably peaks at a 5th
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt we’d get a full salary dump for him, it’d be a switch of bad salaries if anything
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly,
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No team is going to be that charitable. I’ve said it before, but the deal that makes the most logical sense is Ryan Malone for Komisarek. But both players have NTCs so it’s not going to happen
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
also, what the fuck do the Leafs need Malone for?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally I don’t think he fits in with how fast our team is now but It makes sense insofar as he’s a big, hard-hitting American power forward. Burke is usually all over that.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I can literally see no need for him on our roster unless a bad injury happens. Like LTIR bad.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much. Team is tied for first in the league. Burke isn’t going to mess with the forwards while they’re clicking. But I’d say it’s most likely Malone would slide into the third line to start, replacing Crabb. Which would be a waste of salary but when you’re trading one problem for another that’s what ends up happening. If Burke decides it’s more important to give Franson regular playing time.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The Leafs
do not need more “truculence” up front… right now.
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they need more of a physical presence up front.
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not fighters. they need guys who can punish opposing defenders physically on the forecheck.
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why?
we have the 3rd best ES offense in the NHL.
If anything we need an elite PP threat.
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and the Steckel
Dupuis, Brown line is very good at “punishing” teams on the forecheck.
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They’re playing 11-13 minutes a night and mostly in the defensive zone. One of the big issues on the PP (actually, the biggest) is that the Leafs can’t gain the zone. When they chip & chase, no one goes in and battles to retrieve the puck (especially the Kessel line).
They aren’t missing a great passer or shooter. Once they get set-up, they seem to be OK. Issue is with gaining the zone.
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Interesting point. I think Armstrong can fill that physical role on the forecheck, but he gets hurt too often. And Grabovski tries to play that bulldog game but I worry for his durability over the long-term.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't entirely agree
I don’t think there’s a huge amount of evidence for our inability to gain the zone so much as an inability to maintain possession long enough.
We don’t seem good at leaving our own zone for long stretches.
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inability to maintain possession on the PP is directly related to inability to gain the offensive zone.
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I meant
5 on 5… but yeah it’s a problem on the PP also… but I don’t want our team dumping and chasing on the PP anyway… which still negates the issue of needing a better physical forechecking presence.
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Jesus. I’m not talking about changing to a strictly dump & chase zone entry.
But when you attempt to carry the puck into the zone, as the Leafs tend to, and teams stack the blue line, the counter is to chip & chase. The Leafs do not chip & chase very well.
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This is exactly why they struggle to gain the zone.
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I know teams stack the line
but the drop pass in the neutral zone is also a counter, and that does work on occasion.
I just think our passing has been shit… but that’s just me I guess.
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no I agree our passing has been utter shit. We don’t spread the D with good passing so they can afford to stack the line
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I wonder if we even practice passing.
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sure
when they do rush and breakout plays in practice there is passing involved.
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Krejci value is at an all-time low right now.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Nov 5, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
we have the 3rd best ES offense in the NHL
On 13% shooting, which is unsustainable.
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Right
but our PP shooting percentage is abnormally low also, which is unlikely to continue. The two will balance out and we’ll eventually see an improvement in one and a decrease in the other.
Either way, I don’t see how this increases the need for a punishing forecheck.
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The Leafs are 26th in SF/G. Yet they’ve scored the 3rd most GPG. Come on Steve.
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Saying
26th like there’s a huge range in SF/G isn’t really reasonable either. 26th to 20th is only 1.7 shots per game.
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1.7 shots per game over 82 games is about 11 goals or roughly 4 losses.
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depends
on your goaltending… which recently hasn’t been awesome, but with Reimer it’s not exactly 11 goals.
and 11 goals isn’t 4 losses… it’s 6 marginal goals for a win, OR a loss.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
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so a diff
of 11, is almost 2 losses.
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1.7 spg over 82 games
is roughly 140 shot difference. Depending on your goalie, if both teams have a .912 league avg. goalie then it’s a difference of 12.2 goals, which is 2 losses.
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The fact we’re getting outshot 5 shots/game on average is worrying.
Needs Reimer-esque sv% to keep that at anything close to possible to maintain
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to me
that’s the real issue is how badly we’re being outshot… we need better D… not another fucking forward.
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we need
to improve on the fact that Schenn and Komisarek are basically useless at actually maintaining possession and clearing the zone so far.
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One of the reasons we’re being outshot is because some of our lines struggle to maintain possession in the offensive zone. Same issue the Kessel line faced last season. They’d go in, shoot once, and the puck would come out. They’ve gotten better, but they still don’t cycle nearly enough.
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last season?
they still have that problem and it stems from their style of play. As you’ve said, they don’t cycle the puck and frankly they’re unlikely to ever do that.
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And one of the reasons they don’t cycle is that neither of the three on that line are terribly apt at playing down low 5v5. A player who can do that and still produce offense would be ideal.
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Who would you bump
off that line? Lupul? This makes no sense to me.
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I just don't know
how you get that “physical” presence without disrupting the top 6 drastically. Unless it’s someone like Backes who replaces Connolly… which then screws up your bottom 6 because frankly Connolly isn’t that type of player.
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Yes, I would. Lupul isn’t going to score 50. He’s unlikely to hit 30. That line will slow down.
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there are
virtually zero NHL lines that have two scorers capable of 50 goals…I’d say Ovechkin and Semin is about it.
That’s dream territory sorry.
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also
I think Lupul can hit 30 this year, he looks pretty rededicated to his game after his bout with the infection a year ago. I think he’s going to maintain to some extent, plus he’s making Kessel far better.
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Don’t you mean “virtually one”, then?
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no
I mean virtually zero because I don’t think Ovechkin or Semin hit 50 either.
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But they’re capable of it. I just thought it was funny that you said “virtually zero”, then gave an example of one.
by Peter Lynn on Nov 5, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Crosby?
He isn’t likely to play a full season so I doubt he gets 50.
Neal also has yet to break 30….so I’m not going to say he has 50 potential just yet.
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You could move Lupul down to the 3rd line with Bozak/Lombardi and Armstrong.
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That's
not really a 3rd line.. but I guess.
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pffft…Like any GM would make a trade right now to bump Lupul off the top line.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 5, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
another reason
we’re being outshot is because we’ve had the lead pretty regularly.
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yeah
I’d take Suter in a heartbeat… although I’m not sold on him being the solution.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
we already
pay far too much for our D… I don’t want to pay that much more.
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I'd prefer
someone like Greg Zanon, or Girardi or Del Zotto… someone like that who is cheaper.
I want a 2nd pairing guy.
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Is Del Zotto any good defensively?
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Not as good
as Girardi. He’s more offensively skilled.
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If you're looking for younger guys
I’d look at Girardi, Suter, Giordano, Carle, etc.
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Crabb is in Armstrong’s spot because of injury
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
True. And when Armstrong comes back who knows. Maybe you have Armstrong-Malone-Bozak and bump Lombardi to the fourth line.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Lombardi on the 4th line would be a gigantic waste of his abilities
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is Malone coming from?
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by happiergilmore on Nov 5, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see the above discussion about trading for him.
You really think Komi nets Malone?
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by happiergilmore on Nov 5, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Komi is either worth a 7th rounder or Malone.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Malone is an over paid salary dump of a player too
but is worth more than komi
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Malone has pretty good numbers. He may be overpaid but is worth way more than Komi alone
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Welcome home Chaim Weisswasser!
by happiergilmore on Nov 5, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree. It comes down to whether Burke and Wilson think it’s THAT important to move Komisarek and give Franson regular playing time. Because if we move Komi for D, we end up with the same surplus. ANd I doubt anybody is going to take Komi off our hands without flipping back a salary dump too. That player coming back has to fit somewhere
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
right, but really, where does he fit? whose roster spot does he take?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
he is a top 6 guy
he wouldn’t fit on our team without replacing someone like Kulemin.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
exactly, right not the Leafs have no room in their top 6 for anyone who is not very good to elite
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
No team is going to be that charitable
Brian Rolston for Trent Hunter.
I never ever ever ever thought Rolston would get traded. Crazy things happen.
Campbell had what I thought was the most untradable contract in the NHL too.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought that was Gomez?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomez doesn’t have an NMC or 35+ contract.
If a team was willing they could bury Gomez.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
the Rolston one still boggles my mind
but at least Campbell was still a good player
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Bryan Campbell
is a top point producing D man that has won a Stanley Cup and is only 32 years of age.
He’s far and away superior to Mike Komisarek in virtually every aspect other than size.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Was referring to his $7M+ contract that goes on forever.
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right, but a useful player with a shitty contract is better than a shitty player with a shitty contract
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt. But 7M for 6 more years? At least the Komisarek contract eventually seems to end.
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The Campbell contract ends. In six years.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No it doesn't.
it ends in 2015-16. He’ll be 36.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
That's
4 years. and he’s a lot closer to his value at $7.143 mill than Komi is at $7 in actual dollars paid.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
every single year being a useless boat anchor, at least Campbell gives his team some productivity while they suffer,
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
productivity
is 11 points in 12 games. And he’s averaging over 27 minutes in ice time nightly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
He’s having a great year
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but Komisarek
is +8 in his last 4 games! he’s awesome too right?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I know
I didn’t use the sarcasm font.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Plus he got traded to the guy that signed him to that contract in the first place.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a league leader in points, goals, and TOI over the last 4 years (league leader meaning top 25).
He is easily a top 15 defender in the league. He is just being paid like a top 3.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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no he isn't
he’s the 6th highest paid D man in the NHL.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
he makes less
than Weber, Pronger, Chara, Keith and Ehrhoff.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
people in the top 15
that don’t belong are:
Redden, Bouwmeester, Wisniewski, Bieksa, and Ehrhoff. Campbell belongs.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I’m talking about cap hit not dollar value. He is number 2.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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KOMI, GARDINER OR FRATTIN
and a pick for Byfuglin?
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Nov 5, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
what the fuck? no
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Komi, Dupuis and Orr.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t even do that, Byfuglian’s contract is a laugher
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
why all the hate guys
basically talking a salary dump, a prospect and a pick for a proven player
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Nov 5, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
For a start, because Gardiner is better than Byfuglien.
Paedophiles are using an area of internet the size of Ireland.
and the Leafs lose Komisareks bad contract for a worse one
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
because Byfuglian isn’t that good and has a horrible horrible contract
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
and what
exactly has he proven? he had 1 good year where he played ridiculous minutes.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I also cannot stress this enough 5.2 million dollars until 2016
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
he was arguably
the hawks best player all through the play-offs and allmost single-handedly took out the sharks
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Nov 5, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
he was a 30 point forward, and now he has had one good season as a defender
he makes more money than Phil Kessel
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So we ignore the newly torn holes in our defence, move him back to forward and have him earn $5.2m per year playing on the 3rd line.
Only we could just use Matt Frattin to do the same thing, but he’s on an entry-level deal.
Paedophiles are using an area of internet the size of Ireland.
and still have Jake Gardiner
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
um
wtf? why? Byfuglien isn’t good defensively, and he only has like 2 points.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
He does shoot a lot though.
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I think the original argument was to unload Komi with a prospect to get Byflugien.
MOAR SHOTS
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shots from our D
isn’t a great way to get more goals.. we need more shots from our forwards.
Particularly from Kulemin.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
and it’s a terrible argument
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
thanks bro
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by $#%@ eli and his daddy on Nov 5, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
still trying to see how that is in anyway a good move for the Leafs
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Gustavsson is never going to be the Leafs #1 goalie. If he goes on to magically resurrect his career somewhere else, what does it matter? He’s already had that chance in Toronto and blown it.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It happens to every team we just notice it more because it’s the Leafs.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
like Justin Pogge, or Matt Stajan, or Nik Hagman….
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ian White, Alex Ponikarovsky, Nik Antropov, Alex Steen, etc
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I bet Brett Lebda’s gonna come back and haunt us.
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Rickard Wallin is just biding his time
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I am terribly worried about Robert Slaney and Alex Foster
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if someone kills him.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Tukka Rask, Gerry Cheevers, Larry Murphy, Bernie Parent, Brad Boyes
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Brad Boyes has 4 goals in 22 games against the Leafs.
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If Justin Pogge hadn’t fall apart, no one would be terribly upset about the Rask trade.
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fuck you, hindsight
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
As in Fuck you to Hindsight
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Except JFJ put us in a position of having to depend on that happening. Instead of “Oh well one of them turned out to be an NHL goalie and other one not” it became “Oh shit ours is crap and the other one turned into an NHL goalie on another team.”
Terrible asset management.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
JFJ made a terrible trade for Rask at the 2006 draft…but went on to draft Reimer about three rounds later.
He singlehandedly made the smartest and dumbest goalie personnel moves in the same draft.
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 5, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
note how one list is much shorter than the other
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s off the top of my head not including Courtnall, Damphousse, Sittler trade was brutal it goes on and on as well over time.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But for every ex-Leaf you name there’s a half dozen ones that didn’t come back to bite us in the ass.
Every team has them. Hell, Ottawa chose Redden over Chara.
NYI has a billion examples during the Milbury years.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
right, and I could delve deeper into the other side with guys like toskala, blake, hell even Clark or Gilmour after they were gone (before they came back)etc
the Leafs are not by any stretch burned by everyone they let go
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure Flames fans don’t get upset about Phaneuf AND Gilmour being traded, or Nordiques/Avs fans about losing Sundin. I’m sure Habs fans care nothing about losing Mikhail Grabovski for nothing.
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FFS @ the end of the day the point is why lose an asset for nothing when you could conceivably get something for it?
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re the one who brought up waiving Gustavsson. Everybody else just doesn’t want him to start.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
People want him in the AHL. That requires him getting waived.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s not happening as long as Reimer is on the shelf. And if, by the time that happens, Scrivens has proven he can play, would it really be so bad? The team is better off than continuing to trot out Gustavsson with the hope he only lets in two goals instead of three.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
which is a problem why?
he cleared waivers last year, why would that change?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
He didn’t clear last yr he was sent down on a conditioning stint.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
forgot about that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
either way
he’s the back up and Reimer is the starter. Scrivens needs more games than he’s been getting.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
still trying to figure out who would pick up a 886 goaltender who makes almost 1.5 mill a year
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s been playing better than those number this yr. Last season NYI scrapped every barrel for a tender. CBJ really could use anyone that can stop a puck.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
if they were as desperate as you say for a goalie, they would have traded for one already
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If some team would pick up Gustavsson then more power to them. I’d like to meet that GM though because I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell him.
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by PPP on Nov 5, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If Scrivens plays well again tonight, it’s conceivable that Gustavsson will have lost the back-up job to the 3rd string goalie two years in a row. At what time do we realize Gus no longer has any value to the Leafs?
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and if gus has any value at all, Burke will try to flip him for something, if there are no takers, he will waive him
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re basically reaching back to at least the 1970s at this point. Might as well bring up running Keon out of town too right? Or how bout when we let Mahovlich go?
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That again was a totally different situation. Bryzgalov had already proven himself to be an NHL starter in both the regular season and the playoffs, but could not get playing time ahead of a Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe winning goalie (Giguere) and a younger goalie with more upside (Hiller). Burke waived him because he promised to give him a chance to be a starter, not because he’s let in three goals a night in more than half his starts over his entire career.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If nothing else, I bet Burke regrets not being able to swing a trade and get something back for Bryzgalov. But the circumstances left him with very little leverage and a weak bargaining position
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
if anything it enrages me that Bryz was waived THE SAME FUCKING SUMMER JFJ TRADED FOR TOSKALA
HEY JFJ YOU COULD HAVE GOTTEN BRYZGALOV FOR THE SHIT YOU TRADED FOR VESA
AAAAAAUGH
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sort of like what Babcock did with Carter. Sorry for crossing sports again but MLSE made a big deal of bringing in these “young and exciting” GMs that didn’t know shit and basically derailed the respective franchises for the better part of 10 years
"Reimer, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book" - General George S. Patton (if he was still alive....and played in the Eastern Conference).
by Carl Brewer's Yeast Infection on Nov 5, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
And frankly when Boston traded Thornton for basically three bags of pucks half the GMs in the league were like “Why the hell didn’t you shop around first?”
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Thornton trade was a much worse version of the Phaneuf trade.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be the equivalent of us trading Gunnarsson, Bozak and Lupul for a 100-point centre
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
but we already have Colborne.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry. Last time cheating. EVER.
Your point remains salient, however, Babcock’s failing was NOT the Carter deal. Carter left Babcock no chance to return anything resembling adequate value. The problem was that Babcock was the worst talent evaluator in NBA history.
It also enrages me that San Jose traded our pick to St. Louis to move up and get Logan Couture.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 5, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is a good point. Sometimes waiving a player is the classiest option. Why hold someone up if they have no chance to advance in your organization? I see the same thing in the Blue Jays treatment of Adam Loewen. They are going to let him make his best deal and, if nothing comes up, they will gladly welcome him back.
"Reimer, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book" - General George S. Patton (if he was still alive....and played in the Eastern Conference).
by Carl Brewer's Yeast Infection on Nov 5, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Leafs traded Pogge to give him a shot somewhere else.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Pogge had “value” because he hadn’t been exposed as mediocre at that point. People buy hope.
"Reimer, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book" - General George S. Patton (if he was still alive....and played in the Eastern Conference).
by Carl Brewer's Yeast Infection on Nov 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Insofar as a conditional fifth rounder has “value”
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Komisarek has a nmc so he isn’t going anywhere. I’m resigned to this. If he can play 15min of plus hockey and hit people without taking a shittonne of dumb penalties…fine. Burke overpaid but honestly look at some of the other deals other teams are stuck with…it could be worse.
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by torleafsfan29 on Nov 5, 2011 4:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I need help with goalies tonight:
I’ve got 6 and can only play two. Thomas and dipietro are confirmed so I’m not playing Rask or Montoya.
Harding is confirmed and has been red hot, plus he’s playing the blues so I’m thinking of playing him.
Otherwise I have Vokoun, Fleury and Scrivens. None are confirmed but Neurvirth went last night so Vokoun is likely.
by Ben Schnell on Nov 5, 2011 10:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
why the hell do you have 6 goalies?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Its a really deep keeper league
by Ben Schnell on Nov 5, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
in addition
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moreover
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
-Mikhail Grabovski
by MapleLeafMole on Nov 5, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
whateva
R.I.P. The playoff hopes of Montreal Canadiens fans for 2011-12.
by not norm ullman on Nov 5, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
theregore
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 5, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
or therefore
Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.
by Chris Stoikoff on Nov 5, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
thusly
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
notwithstanding
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 5, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
as a result
leaf fan stuck in ottawa, a localized black hole that will suck everything in that area to oblivion.
What's more
What is life without hope?
by danishmarshmallow on Nov 5, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
also,
Ron Wilson isn’t a difference maker when it comes to scoring?
We’re 3rd in the league for GF and our PP is average, these are differences from last year at least
by Ben Schnell on Nov 5, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I have a feeling that has a lot more to do with the shooting % of Lupul and Kessel and MacArthur than it does with anything else.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
RW can not be credited with any of the positive. Only the negative.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
@jonasTSN1050
Ben Scrivens in the home net this morning, looks to be the starter. Await confirmation.
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I almost feel bad for Gus, over and over he’s getting beaten down the depth chart by youngin’s
Alright I lied, I don’t feel bad at all.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel bad because he seems like a nice guy. But he has had so many chances, and you can’t keep going back to a guy if he doesn’t turn it around.
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Giguere seemed like a really nice guy too.
Again, we can argue until the cows come home over whether Gustavsson can or will be a legitimate NHL goaltender. But if we have one (or two?) that are better, why the hell would we play him?
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
He hasn’t done anything to earn continued playing time.
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even if he did, Scrivens earned it more with that showing in Columbus
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep. Gus has played well lately. Scrivens played better.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Good problem to have when you are playing the goalie that has played better instead of less bad
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I wouldn’t call either game bad. Save for the 1 goal against Ottawa.
Look. I’m not saying Gus is the best goalie of all time. I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t think he really has a future with this team, especially with a guy like Scrivens around (I also stated in the preseason that I thought Scrivens was our best goalie). I just think Gustavsson gets wrongly criticized for ‘playing badly’ when he hasn’t.
There’s a difference between being satisfactory and being bad. Gus has been in the former category.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Satisfactory isn’t good enough when you’re playing for a contract.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t disagree.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The running storyline on Gus is that he gives up weak goals way too often. He gave up a softie against Ottawa that wound up as the GWG. Beyond that, he’s all over the place. How lucky was he against NJ? I’d say very.
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how good was he when he stopped 34 of 37 against Pittsburgh? I’d say very.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
People have their opinions etched in stone and there is no changing their minds on this one.
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by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well, I’ve changed my opinion from thinking that “Gus CAN be a very good goalie” to “Gus probably isn’t very good.” I just don’t see the reality of “Gus is the worst goalie of all time”.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone is saying he’s the worst goalie of all time. There’s a big difference between coming down on two sides of this issue and throwing out hyperbole, which I suppose both sides have been guilty of doing. But if there are better options, and there clearly are, Wilson is going to take them. Remember he’s trying to keep his job too.
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoever says Gus is the worst goalie of all time never heard of Peter Ing. Or Red Light Racicot or Mark LaForest
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
Yeah, some people are right and others refuse to acknowledge they are wrong. It’s like Toskala all over again.
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by PPP on Nov 5, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
sure. But he can’t repeat those performances. He’s wildly inconsistent.
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You can’t put him in net and have any idea of how he’ll play.
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I’m just ecstatic RW didn’t play him in the back-to-back. I wouldn’t have been horrified if he’d gone back in tonight against BOS, but I’m happy they went with Scrivens.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
if the team shows up Gus would have had a shot at winning it. if not…well, we saw what happened in Boston.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
oh boy
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 5, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else hear the Omark quote yesterday?
Priceless. Goodbye trade value.
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Essentially if they don’t call him back up to the NHL within a reasonable time he’s going to dart to Europe
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
This one?
"I want to play (in the) NHL and if no one lets me do that then I’m going to go to Europe," Omark told Gibbons after practice … I want to play in the NHL, so I am going to do my best there. Hopefully, they call me up or … Yeah, we’ll see.
"I’m not here to stay the whole season, that’s for sure."
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Scrivens starting. Confirmed.
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by birky on Nov 5, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
nhlcheapshot likes this.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
The best news. Even if he somehow shits the bed, he deserves the start.
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
@jonasTSN1959
Luke Schenn looks to be out tonight. Out late with the extras.
the plot thickens
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
@DavidAlter590
David Alter
Scrivens stars, Luke Schenn a healthy scratch, Franson in
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Komi-Liles
Franson-Gardiner
they are going to be forchecked into the ground
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
against a physical team Schenns game works better getting the puck down low, Franson is going to get pushed around hard
the breakout might be a bit better…..might
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Franson is a better skater and passer than Schenn, and his ability to move the puck quickly would be more beneficial than having Schenn back there when Boston forechecks.
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call me skeptical until Franson can prove that he can not only acquire the puck in the Leafs zone but actually move it up the ice to a Leaf forward instead of having it taken from him by an attacking player
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s fair to be skeptical, more so ignorant because he hasn’t really had a chance to do anything
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by happiergilmore on Nov 5, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
he had all preseason and two NHL games to show anything of merit
he never even showed a flash, not one good pass, not one good defensive play not one goal, nothing
I see nothing wrong with being skeptical
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve watched every game this year and I honestly can’t even recall how he played in such limited time. I guess it’s not unfair to be skeptical but we have all agreed he hasn’t been given his fair shake yet
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by happiergilmore on Nov 5, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
he has played so little for one main reason, Jake Gardiner,
Gardiner out played Franson in camp and in the NHL at this point.
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m having harder times finding too much wrong with Gardiner right now. Kid looks solid for a rookie. His early defensive bonehead moves haven’t looked bad recently.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
he is getting better as he gets more experience, he doesn’t pull the John Mitchell special 4 times a game like he was doing at the start
he is also looking 100 percent better in his own end
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s had 3 or 4 really really good slap passes to an open man. I like.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I love. He is my computer background
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by happiergilmore on Nov 5, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
hope this is the game the Gentle giant awakes from his slumber
by Jack rides ducks on Nov 5, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Who likes charts? Everybody likes charts. Games 1-13
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ATOI
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Shots
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Goals
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Points
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
ah, there they are
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Goaltender Stats
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Faceoffs
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bars
TWEET AT ME BRO
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 5, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Pies
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 5, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Err
This table should say SHOTS by position. Whoopsies, copy & paste fail.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I SEE NOTHINK!
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy visually appealing, Batman!
The whole lot of it – recommended.
/Golf clap
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 5, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Happy 40th Birthday...
… Sergei Berezin!! One of the more entertaining Leafs of the early Quinn era. He potted 37 goals for the 1999 Leafs and scored the goal in Game 6 to eliminate the Flyers!
I was at Game 5 at the ACC when Berezin passed(!!!) to Steve Thomas in OT against Ottawa in 2000.
I also was in Montreal to see him score the 10000th home goal in Habs history against San Jose, playing on a line with Gilmour and Yanic Perreault.
Got me looking at old highlight reels,
I found this gem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1e1270vrk&feature=related
If you don’t get choked up hearing this, you have no soul.
by 9 Dollar Beer on Nov 5, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That goal was ridiculous. Waiting for the third intermission to end was killer…
Watching more stuff, I found a clip of 13 year old Mats Sundin dominating some kids in 1984:
it’s funny, because he protected the puck the same way at 13 that he did at 33.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just saying that to my wife. He looks like he already had his style down at age 13
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
that’s awesome. I think Jonas Hoglund was the guy trailing behind him in futility.
Raycroft! I like the move. Falls inline with the push for youth and is a solution for the future. Trading Rask was unfortunate, but with Pogge and Raycroft only being 26, I think the TO goaltending future is a bright one. - Some guy from 2006
Another change
mirtle James Mirtle
Bet this happens. RT @TSNScottyMac: Another possible lineup change based on who’s staying out late: Rosehill for Dupuis. #Leafs #Bruins #NHL
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Dupuis really hasn’t wowed me. So long as Rosehill is under orders not to fight or engage the Bruins he can be effective.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 5, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have much bad to say about Dupuis but a marginal NHL talent swap isn’t going to win or lose us this game, unless Rosehill takes a dumb dumb penalty.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
rosehill hits more and is ‘intimidating’
dupuis is probably a bit faster and slightly better with the puck
I really see no significant difference except that Thornton will have someone to dance with
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
There it is. That’s whats up
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 5, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Rosehill is sort of like Orr, except he skates a little better
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Rosehill is a much better skater than Orr, he is better defensively and can handle the puck like it isnt a grenade
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Rosehill on the forecheck. The times he’s been out there with Brown the two of them are like wrecking balls in the offensive zone
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by T is for Truculence on Nov 5, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Or one of his huge hits concusses a Boston player early in the game and lights a fire under their asses and spurs their victory.
Seriously, Rosehill can thrown some nice hits but they scare me sometimes.
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I’d rather it be Boyce, but anything that is keeping Orr in the press box is okay by me.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
DANGER NARRATIVE ALERT: Many people have been saying that teams have been instructed not to engage the Bruins after the whistle or in fights as they are one team who really feeds off that sort of thing. In addition we have a terrible PK and can’t afford ANY dumb penalties, with Tim Thomas on the other end on PK goal allowed could be the difference. Again, not freaking out, just saying there are some potential issues with Rosehill.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Nov 5, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya adding Rosehill doesn’t really LOWER the odds of taking a penalty.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Has Rosehill got any PIM’s this year?
by scott tubbesing on Nov 5, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
nope, but he had 71 last year, 35 being from fights though
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope.
But he averages 3.07 PIM/game played in his career, sooooo
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol I was joking but thought I’d mention this statiscal quirk.
by scott tubbesing on Nov 5, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Dupuis took a really dumb penalty last game, and Rosehill doesn’t really have a penchant for making any infractions outside of knuckle chucking
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The main reason I like Rosehill over Orr is that he doesn’t take dumb minors as often.
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and he can skate
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Narratives are the best, or at least most fun part of being a fan. Life is boring without them. I enjoyed reading that
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 5, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
So what you’re saying is……don’t feed the bears?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 5, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Dupuis
has been our best penalty killing forward… which isn’t saying a lot, but still.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Nov 5, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Although I’m sure that one could argue that Steckel winning an assload of short handed faceoffs is doing just as good if not better at killing those same penalties
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Weird, I was just going to say something along the lines of "I wonder if Rosehill or Orr will get in tonight v. the Bruins who are "tough""
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Good news: Wilson chose Rosehill over Orr.
The season of no-Orr is coming along nicely.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
makes me wonder about his health
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He may as well go out having a 100% scoring percentage season.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he’s not even a replacement level player and he’s being paid $1 million to sit in the pressbox. we should just waive him and save ourselves the cap space.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno if Burke would do that unless cap space became utterly necessary.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s essentially a $1 million cheerleader. i mean, i guess they can only dress 18 skaters each night, so really he could stay on the roster all year and never have to dress. but it just seems silly.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree there is no point in keeping him up, but I just don’t see him being waived by Leafs unless they need the cap space for like a trade or something.
Besides, would we rather have some one from the Marlies rocking the press box instead? I wouldn’t. Let those kids play.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
@TSNScottyMac Scott MacArthur
Wilson hopes sitting Schenn will have same effect as when Komisarek sat: Chance to reset and return with improved play. #Leafs #Bruins #NHL
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wait, when did Komisarek sit?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
For Franson in the 6-2 Boston beatdown.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
ah, well that is ominous
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
So the precedent has been set? Sit a guy against Boston, lose badly, but get that player back playing well. Honestly almost a fair trade.
by scott tubbesing on Nov 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
@TSNScottyMac Scott MacArthur
#Leafs D vs. #Bruins: Gunnarsson-Phaneuf, Liles-Komisarek, Gardiner-Franson. G: Scrivens (Gustavsson backs up.) #NHL
#Leafs lines vs. #Bruins: Lupul-Connolly-Kessel, MacArthur-Grabovski-Kulemin, Lombardi-Bozak-Crabb, Rosehill-Steckel-Brown .. #NHL
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Loving that third line..Can Crabbman make it 3 in 3
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 5, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
V.v.V
m()m
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
pinched
R.I.P. The playoff hopes of Montreal Canadiens fans for 2011-12.
by not norm ullman on Nov 5, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
(\/) \// (\/)
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Harold Ballard’s Cup ring stolen
Nice file photo… heh… only one ring for four Cups?
Dressing Rosehill makes sense tonight.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Nov 5, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions
I’d have been okay if they didn’t, but I get it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Dupuis blows
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Steckel and Brown I’d consider “good” 4th liners.
Most 4th liners are bleh anyway
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like seeing him against the Canadiens because the whole time I’m thinking this guy is a diehard Habs fan. Then when he misses the net on a wide open shot it doesn’t make me feel better.
by scott tubbesing on Nov 5, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t say I’d take him in a fight against Thorton but at least it improves our toughness.
by scott tubbesing on Nov 5, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He has one of the highest TPBT/60 on the team (Truculence Pugnacity Belligerence Testosterone per 60).
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by Shield on Nov 5, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Imagine what Colton Orr’s TPBT/60 is when you extrapolate his TPBT in 3 mins per game over a whole 60 mins.
by scott tubbesing on Nov 5, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but his YTFTB (Yell things from the bench) contributes also.
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Can’t forget the importance of this statistic. Chris Neil is rendered ineffective by YTFTB.
by scott tubbesing on Nov 5, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whoa Leafs were 14-7-5 with Rosehill in the lineup last year, 23-27-6 without him. Weird.
by scott tubbesing on Nov 5, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
Big Ben
"I will actually score as many times as Kulemin assists me."
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by MapleLeafMole on Nov 5, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
A few early options
Scrivezina is pretty good
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
#BenScrivensNicknames
@blogesalming
Bloge Salming
The Unfor-Scrivens #BenScrivensNicknames
@ACatNamedFelix
Danny Gray
Night of the Scriving Dead. #BenScrivensNicknames
@team_Leanne
Leanne
Scriven on the Edge #BenScrivensNicknames @blogesalming
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Will Martinez
@blogesalming Scriven in Stone #BenScrivensNicknames
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
SCRIVEN LA VIDA LOCA
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
SCRIVEN ON A PRAYER
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Benanza
R.I.P. The playoff hopes of Montreal Canadiens fans for 2011-12.
by not norm ullman on Nov 5, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAH WE'RE HALF WAY THEEEEERE
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
scriiiivens on a prayyyyer!
Glenn Healy..go fuck yourself.
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by Future_considerations on Nov 5, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
:(
Glenn Healy..go fuck yourself.
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by Future_considerations on Nov 5, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta hooold on to the pucks we’ve got
Cause it makes a one-goal difference if it’s Scrivens or Gus
Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
by Nirbo on Nov 5, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Gustavsson is like Baaaaad medicine…..
Glenn Healy..go fuck yourself.
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by Future_considerations on Nov 5, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
bon jovi rules
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec
Glenn Healy..go fuck yourself.
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by Future_considerations on Nov 5, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If by ‘rules’ you mean ‘are utter shit’ then yes.
Paedophiles are using an area of internet the size of Ireland.
by article1 on Nov 5, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
so which Bon Jovi song do you secretly love?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
is that from his first album? the one with “Runaway” on it?
by Nigel Cadbury on Nov 5, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
false, everyone loves at least one bon jovi song, the harder they fight that the more embarrassing said song is
so yours must be something like save the world or she’s a mystery
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Every Bon Jovi song sounds like something Springsteen wrote when he was 14 then rejected because he realised it was irredeemably puerile.
No Bon Jovi song has any merit whatsoever.
I fucking loathe them.
Paedophiles are using an area of internet the size of Ireland.
by article1 on Nov 5, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
she’s a mystery it is
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Good way of putting it. There’s a reason he’s called The Boss.
by Leaf in Habland on Nov 5, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And why they're known as
Bon Shitti
R.I.P. The playoff hopes of Montreal Canadiens fans for 2011-12.
by not norm ullman on Nov 5, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty much anything replacing the words “Living” or “Giving” are good to go
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankscriving Weekend
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn’t it just be another Transformer name? Like… Ratchet or something?
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by not norm ullman on Nov 5, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Scriven Samurai
Paedophiles are using an area of internet the size of Ireland.
by article1 on Nov 5, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe but if you start chanting “RATCHET RATCHET RATCHET” at the ACC I’m not sure anyone is going to know you’re talking about Scrivens.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Nov 5, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben-ble bee
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
As backup to Optimus Reim, he’d have to be Ultra Scrivenus.
by Peter Lynn on Nov 5, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Scrivens interview -
http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=130408
Glenn Healy..go fuck yourself.
MGK Lover
by Future_considerations on Nov 5, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty obvious...
Scrivlles.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
I was at the Leaf practice today, and going back for the game Later tonight, Just got Dion put on my blank jersey, Going to pick it up before the game.
sweet day so far I must say.
Some things I noticed:
Schenn is even slow in practice. but he looks big, like, monstrous.
Kessel Connolly and Lupul are going to be some kind of dangerous from here on in. Lupul was practicing tip ins, while the whole forward corps was working on cycling plays and traffic in front of the net. I liked.
MacArthur and Grabbo were practicing Boardplay with one another, where Grabbo had to keep control of the puck as MacArthur was pinning him down.
RW was skating around playing with the puck, he didn’t miss the net on a shot once. it’s was pretty cool to see him out there goofing around with the guys.
there was a really really hot girl sitting in front of me with a ladies leaf jersey on, Marriage material.
Whoops, how did that get in there… Well anyway. I know this was pretty much a light practice for the fans but it was still pretty sweet.
Oh, also, Dupuis sucks. like hugetime. He was working with Greg Cronin on an empty net and he still had trouble finding twine.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Dupuis
is our best penalty killer so far.. I’m going to keep saying this until someone actually notices it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
His GAON/60
on the PK is only 6.92 which is awesome.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
wasn’t rickard wallin our best PK guy at one point?
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sjostrom
was 7.17… still worse.
We NEED somebody good at this shit to be succesful.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
hasn’t helped so far
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by JaredFromLondon on Nov 5, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
goalies?
Toskala, Raycroft…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
not with Wallin
and not with Dupuis… how do we compare?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
here's a weird one
Grabovski last year … this is nuts… 2.98… so far this year? 20.84… WTF?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
I have no idea
how to explain that other than randomness.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Grabo and Kulemin have been the 3rd pairing on the penalty kill getting less than 30secs. There have been a few of those goals in the last 10secs of the kill.
Living and dying with the Blue and White, season to season, game to game, shift to shift.
by ThickSkinnedAlive on Nov 5, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya I just don’t think we have many CONSISTENTLY good pk guys
Steckel was supposed to be decent (largely due to his high D-zone FOW numbers), but i’d like to see if we could get more out of our current guys rather than bring in new ones.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
Steckel
is at 10.93… not great.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
also
part of this is Gustavsson playing so much.
Goalies SV% is still largely dependent on the goalie, and that is the largest component of the PK that we are actually capable of fixing.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
yes
and he was 7.94… which is worse than Dupuis.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
compare that to the likes of
top PK forwards in the NHL…
Max Talbot = 5.63
Boyd Gordon = 5.96
Tomas Plekanec = 8.81
Lauri Korpikoski = 2.80 (this is insane btw).
Manny Malholtra = 4.59
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
i was there too.
… Orr throws t-shirts like a girl.
here’s where i was while a trainer was giving pucks to the crowd:
V.v.V
Glenn Healy..go fuck yourself.
MGK Lover
by Future_considerations on Nov 5, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
As per charts above.... he needs to.
He takes the 2nd most draws on the Leafs and is only winning 47.2% so far.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
3SA
his numbers were very good early on… they’ve dipped recently. Random variation over the short term.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Stretchin'
A point of interest – my friend Amit was on the bench! (physiotherapist) – i had no idea he had moved on from the Argos. Good for him.
That’s a respectably full arena for a practice.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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I had a few friends there today too.
Random question… could you buy beer? Was everything open like during a game?
Hey what’s up with the Movember page. I can’t really access it because i’m in Canada. I can find the team but I can’t join. It keeps redirecting me back to my own home page. I have a solid stache all ready and everything.
Working with Skinny to figure it out. Think it’s because he set it up in the US>
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by PPP on Nov 5, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Fixins
Working with around Skinny to figure it out. Think it’s because he set it up in the US>
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by not norm ullman on Nov 5, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyday, guess who's Steckelin'?
YOU KNOW WHO’S FUCKIN’ STECKELIN’!!!
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Last night
I got a chance to watch Lake Erie take on the Guelph Storm. Awesome seats, right behind Erie’s Bench. A few notes on the game and leaf prospects:
Erie won 3-2 in a shootout, there was a combined 80 shots on goal!
Erie’s coach is a big buzzkill, he’s just an angry angry man.
Olden: Was clearly the best player on the ice. He played in all situations and had an amazing penalty kill where he basically ran the Storm out of the zone single handedly. I mean, he simply backed them all out of the zone.
He has a wicked shot. On the first Erie goal, he simple let one rip and it deflected off a guy at the net. If he puts on some muscle, my god, watch out. But right now he is real lanky.
McKegg: Had a terrible first period, didn’t seem to get into the game much in the 2nd and I think that put him in another gear in third. Man, that kid can skate, and he is fast as anything. He reminds me a bit of Ovie, in that he can just sit on the blueline waiting to break out, and then, bam hes gone and your goalie is hung out to dry. Another thing that was nice is that he always was chomping at the bit to get back on the ice after a shift. The kid clearly loves to play.
Had the 2nd Erie goal with 10 seconds left in the game on a beautiful wraparound that he somehow managed to lift up over Sparks shoulder. I have no idea how he managed to do it, but it was a beaut.
Had a shootout goal as well, just plain beat Sparks high gloveside.
He is Erie’s captain and is definitely taking it seriously. He is always talking on the bench, and the others clearly looked to him, even during timeouts. It was nice to see him take the leadership role so well.
Sparks: had an amazing game, stopped 36/38 shots and both goals went in on 2 man advantages. Looked big in net and stopped several McKegg breakaways by shutting down the angle. Had a few stops where my wife and I were completely surprised. My wife said about one of them “Man, it looks like there’s a glass plate behind him or something!”
All in all, an entertaining game and nice to see the leaf prospects doing well.
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by kudzupo on Nov 5, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s the Erie Otters and Lake Erie Monsters… was very confusing until you mentioned McKegg… but thanks for sharing
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not sure if this has been posted
but the tim hortons guy made a video apology that i saw posted on facebook. i guess the guy is a part of the same comedy group from toronto that a highschool friend of mine is also a part of, so it was definitely a joke from the start. he probably loves the fact that reimer dressed up as him and i still think it may just be reimer himself with an amish beard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6rkqqghWkQ&feature=player_embedded
also, fuck the habs.
by gnarlybattleship on Nov 5, 2011 5:50 PM EDT reply actions
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