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The First Certified Grabbo Lover
This is bullshit, man. Just total fucking bullshit. Man.
Did I mention the part about bullshit?
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
And also
This aggression will not stand, man.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Settle down now, fix yourself a caucasian.
Either you have an enviable memory, or a pitiable life, to know nothing of regret.
- Sten, of the Qunari
by GreatKingRat on Dec 16, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
the not norm abides
I used to love the Leafs... I still do... but I used to, too.
by Chuck Diesel on Dec 16, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Are there angry e-mails from people taking The Sleeping giant seriously?
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
always
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
You realize responding to those emails is Lambert’s favorite part of the day.
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Transferred to IR Jail.
"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
I’m hoping for a Mail Bag editon where they share these e-mails.
August 18th is National Chaim Weisswasser day. Celebrate it by buying a new phone.
“Apparently some Canadians are not only literate but also have internet access. While this surprising development sinks in, let’s see what they had to say to us between drinking swill beer and playing bad hockey”
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
they see them trollin’ they hatin’
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Was listening to #MvsW (Marek vs. Wysh) yesterday and Marek shared an interesting story. Prior to the 2006 draft the Flyers had intended to draft some guy named Trevor Lewis in the first round. At this time Ron Hextall was working with the Flyers, right before the draft he was hired by the Kings, so he told them to draft Lewis based on the Flyer’s interest. Apparently the Flyers next choice was some D named Bob Sanguetti, he was drafted right before by the Rangers. So Clarke had to go with their third choice, whose name he forgot at the podium. I think they’re pretty happy with Claude Giroux though.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions
Claude Giroux is one of those cases where it’s better to be lucky than good at drafting.
Like 20 teams passed over him.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Oh definitely, just funny that he wasn’t even Philly’s number one choice.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
The leafs took Jiri Tlusty instead!
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Transferred to IR Jail.
"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Teams who took better players: probably 4 if that: Toews, Backstrom, Staal, Kessel.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
At least we turned Tlusty into Paradis into Versteeg (w Stalberg and Didom) into a 1st and 3rd into Percy and Leivo who will obviously be superstars.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
If Percy can great a break (and not in his bones) he well could be, he was setting the OHL on fire before he went out.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
meh
We’ll see what he can do when he hits the AHL/NHL.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
which is why I dont want to draft European players in the first round unless they are universally acclaimed as incredible.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
European players playing in Europe…obviously not guys playing in our leagues here, where we can more easily compare their stats/play.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Go read Anaheim Calling’s piece on Selanne today where a lot of people did just that. Whoops.
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 16, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
its not foolproof, but I want my first round pick to be a safer one. Some GMs like to roll the dice more, some like to be safer, of course there’s still a huge amount of luck.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Giroux really wasn’t a “safe” pick, just a lucky one.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
oh yeah, wasnt referrign to Giroux, which was obviously luck. But notice we took Biggs over some guys who may have had a higher ceiling partly because Burke felt he had the right tools to make it, but wouldnt necessarily be a star player. We’’ll see how it works out, but I prefer that kind of strategy to say, taking Grimaldi and seeign whether his 5’6 self can actually make it in the big leagues.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I see no need to draft for the bottom 6 in the first 2 rounds. They are much cheaper and easier to acquire in free agency. Swing for the fences in the first two rounds.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
Maybe Burke sees Biggs as a top 6 player?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I wasn’t trying to refer to Biggs specifically. Just a drafting policy that in the first couple rounds I want the higher ceiling.
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
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My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
As I’ve said before, the 1st round is not the time to be taking safe picks.
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 16, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thank god we didn’t draft Filatov
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
I prefer my “just don’t draft fucking busts” methodology
Also referred to as “I have no idea how to draft c’mon please get lucky”
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
look at Tlusty’s stats…was he a worthy 1st round pick? I really dont think so. Of course there is luck, a huge amount, but you have some influence over it.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Look at Tyler Biggs.
He was ranked 15th or some shit by Central Scouting.
If there’s anything I’ve learned it’s that outside observers (i.e. fans) don’t have enough information on the process to properly evaluate picks the way teams do.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s not always about stats, especially when drafting players who are just eligible, as Burke has tended to do lately, you hope they breakout after being drafted, not before.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Especially in the late rounds.
If you have a top 5 pick? Grab a fucking point producer.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
err
late rounds = late in the 1st
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
22nd NA skater in fact. (5 euros were drafted before him)
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Transferred to IR Jail.
"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
K whatever, the point is he drafted around where he was supposed to be according to scouts, but by his numbers alone suggest he should have been much later.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
You still shouldn’t have traded up to get him, but i guess that point is irrelevant at this point..
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Transferred to IR Jail.
"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
No argument here.
Not terribly impressed with the pick. Maybe my expectations for the draft were too high. 1st time we’ve had a 1st rounder in a while.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Not to make an “appeal to authority” argument here, but
a) the Leafs obviously have far more information than we do to make the objective decision on whether he was worth drafting; and
b) the Leafs made it pretty clear what their draft priorities were (skating, size, “late bloomers”) and in that regard they got the guy who fit their system.
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Ya that's sort of what I was trying to get at above
If there’s anything I’ve learned it’s that outside observers (i.e. fans) don’t have enough information on the process to properly evaluate picks the way teams do.
Essentially – “I didn’t like the pick, but what the fuck do I know?” – is what it really boils down to.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Hoping Biggs can turn into a Lucic-lite or a Backes-lite. If he does, I think we’ll all be pleased to have grabbed him in the late-1st round. I like the idea of adding size and nastiness up front too, maybe we sacrifice some high-end skill with him but we add a sorely lacking component that we’re going to need down the road. If I recall correctly he was also highly coveted by the Leafs for his character and leadership. Captain of a US U-18 team is nothing to scoff at.
Does he play with enough of a nastiness to be a Lucic or Backes-type player?
Best case scenario might be a Kulemin clone.
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Backes destroyed another poor soul last night. Checked him so hard his face opened up and started leaking blood.
Had the sound off so not sure who it was…
This space for rant...
by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 16, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully 10/11 Kulemin and not 11/12 Kulemin so far.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe kuli should try goaltending. He has been pretty good at keeping pucks from going in the net. ( And i’m not talking about ours)
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Dec 16, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Hoping Biggs can turn into a Lucic-lite or a Backes-lite.
I feel like these are still lofty expectations.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.muredhawks.com/sports/m-hockey/stats/2011-2012/teamcume.html#TEAM.IND
His stats aren’t bad, good for t-5th leading scorer on the team. Doesn’t say how many minutes he’s playing though (he is a freshman so he may be getting limited minutes)
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
also 2 assists and 3 shots on the PP… so probably very limited PP time
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Just because it’s okay relative to the team doesn’t make them good. I’m sure he brings physical presense or whatever, but Lucic and Backes comparisons… well let’s just say I’m not holding my breath.
Backes was almost a ppg as a rookie in College. (37 in 39)
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Whatever, we’re missing the forrest for the trees here.
Until I see him blow me away with his numbers or at least play some AHL/NHL games, I’m not holding my breath.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
I will be happy if Biggs scores a third line role and makes life difficult for opponents for 12 minutes a game or whatever third line players should be getting for ice time.
by Self Destructive Zones on Dec 16, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Miami is also not very good this year FWIW… 9-9-2
Their stats are also not very helpful for things other than points
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
That too… but I was saying that Miami’s states are worthless as it doesn’t indicate how much TOI or PKTOI or PPTOI… or a number of other stats that would indicate how he’s actually playing
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Well I look at Lucic as a solid player who’s in a great situation. He’s not massively skilled but he’s a beast. Most of his effectiveness is based off his physicality and he scores because he plays with extremely good linemates. I’m hoping the Leafs roster will shape up in a similar way by the time Biggs gets there.
The issue with USNTDP guys is that you’re not working with a huge number of games (20 for Biggs last season). When those kids are drafting, scouts are keying on skills they believe they can improve. Drafting kids straight from the USNTD is risky business.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
That’s just 20 in the USHL, but they also play internationally as a team and even against some college teams.
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if the scouts don’t know how to compare the stats or see what’s good in a player’s game, even if the said player doesn’t play in NA, he probably shouldn’t be scouting
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by sleza on Dec 16, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The sabres took Dennis Persson, but at least he’d be on the Sabres right now except that he’s injured.
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Transferred to IR Jail.
"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
Still has 0 NHL GP.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
http://sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Zung_Nguyen
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Love the account...
@Plopey’s account, as told by the game’s refs to him
They fought on the ice, and while they were being separated after, he threw the other guy’s glove into the stands, went to the locker room and changed after he got kicked out, then walked into the stands and dropped his pants right there and just went for it.
Come get your duds in order 'cuz we're bound to cross the water, HEAVE AWAY, me jollies, HEAVE AWAY -- There's a Loblaws on Carelton?!
That soft goal gave me a hard Colboner...
His team should have received a bench minor for the pooping incident and their captain given a 10 minute misconduct.
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I hope when he told the teams, the ref just said “That’s a number 2 minute penalty.”
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per the box score, the guy whose glove got pooped in scored the only goal of the game
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Here's what I don't get
His glove gets thrown into the stands and sits there for nearly 2 full periods until Mr. Poopy Pants takes a deuce it in, yet the guy kept playing and eventually scored a goal. Was he only playing with 1 glove? Did he borrow someone else’s glove? Why didn’t he have someone throw his glove back to him from the stands?
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you expect there to be people watching these games? it’s been established that this is quite the shitty league.
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by elseldo on Dec 16, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You’d think there’d at least be a couple wives or kids or rink staff floating around somewhere.
by Self Destructive Zones on Dec 16, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
The guy couldn’t have kept playing, because he was given a misconduct as well. I think he was credited the goal just for the sake of the forfeit.
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oh, maybe, yeah
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
which is actually even better
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Deadspin has the full story
Yes, it’s amazing. The guy found out about the shit glove AFTER he stuck his hand inside.
Just after the second period began, Nguyen emerged from his locker room and went into the seats near where he had thrown Bermingham’s glove. Teammates thought Nguyen was going to see his girlfriend, who had come to watch him play. Soon after, he went down to the corner of the arena, a semi-secluded area near where the Zamboni enters the ice. Young Guns players on the bench saw him squatting there, but didn’t think anything of it at the time. He then returned the glove to its original spot in the seats.
Midway through the second period, Bermingham came out of his locker room. He had showered and changed and was ready to crack open a beer but needed to collect the last of his scattered equipment. Those gloves were nearly new: this was the second game he had worn them, and the price tag was still on. Bermie went into the seats where it had landed, picked it up, and put his hand in.
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Rogue Squadron has won every game this year in which one of their players didn’t poop inside an opponent’s equipment.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Dec 16, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Best Statistic of the year? I think so.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Dec 16, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Heh
David @ HockeyAnalysis’ numbers sure hate Schenn.
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Or, Schenn sure hates defense.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Dec 16, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
he’s so bad with the puck. he’d be a much better defenseman if he didn’t stick-handle like a 8-year old.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 16, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, he’s a bust… trade him for a 7th
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
watch games do you even?
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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 16, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Watching games is for amateurs.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Dec 16, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
This statement makes me believe this guy wrote a few lines of code to solve sudoku’s for him.
So, apparently I can now be followed.. but no stalking. @alsonamedphil
Sudoku’s are for amateurs. :)
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by HockeyAnalysis on Dec 16, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Breathing is for amateurs.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Dec 16, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone who watched games in October and November has seen Schenn suck this season.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Dec 16, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
He did suck those months. Since his benching he has been a friggin beast
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Yep our 21 year-old defenseman didn’t play well for two months… trade him.
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well, maybe just don’t be shocked that his numbers look bad when anyone could see that he was playing badly.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Dec 16, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not shocked that his numbers look bad, I’m just not using them to draw the conclusion that Schenn is not a very good defenseman
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
When the numbers say that Franson and Liles are better than Schenn defensively I’m gonna question them
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Liles had a great defensive game against Carolina.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ya he did, I admit, but can he do that consistently?
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Probably not, but he gets shit on for his defensive game a lot, so I thought I’d make a point of it.
He’s 30 years old and been playing in the NHL for 10 years – his game likely isn’t going to change much.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
He was benched Nov 5 and has been a beast since, so realistically, he sucked for only 1 month.
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 16, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wow that was a tough loss for Winnipeg last night. 1-0 GWG scored in the last minute and a half.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
This is all that really matters.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting article by Ken Dryden
Over at Grantland here. For whatever he was while President of the leafs, I still don’t mind reading what he has to say. Touches on concussions. Boogaard, Rypien and Belak and more
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
I’m a huge Simmons fan, and have been since he came to ESPN, I don’t care what he’s writing about, I still find it funny. I hate the NBA but I still bought “The Book Of Basketball” when it came out, same as “Now I Can Die In Peace” even though I could care less about the Red Sox. I can see why others don’t like him and I’m normally not a fan of Grantland’s hockey write ups (Although they did link to PPP last week) but Ken Dryden definitely has his head in the right place with this article
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
@DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
Things are heating up on the Kyle Turris trade front. Sources indicate a deal could come down today.
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Not to shoot the messenger, but
whopee.
Not followin' @JPNikota on Twitter? Oh, you better believe that's a paddlin'.
I heard from Bill Watters that he’s going to the Leafs once Burke’s holiday roster freeze lifts after the Christmas break.
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 16, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No I heard that was Ovechkin but Burke was like, no lets wait until after Christmas.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
The bidding war must be insane for a player with 0 points and -2 after holding out for 3 months.
Oh well least he has that career 25 point season last year.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'll give you a glove with some shit in it.
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by JP Nikota on Dec 16, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That being said, PHX was pretty fucking dumb to have kept him in the NHL playing 11 minutes a night.
Should have sent that boy down when he was still waiver-exempt.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Dreger says
Turris might be traded today.
This is the most exciting trade rumoured playerzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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what do you get for 0 pnts in 6 games,. and 30 pnts in 80?
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
potential
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Turris wishes he was on the 3rd line… healthy scratch last 2 games.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
He didn't play Wednesday or last night
http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/201112140ANA.html
http://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/201112150PHX.html
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Ya i didnt get it
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAH
Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
Am told the Senators and Coyotes have spoken this week on Turris but I don’t get the sense that Ottawa is the front-runner right now…
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Probably offered Filatov
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Taking that contract would be charity work by PHX.
In fact I believe they’d get community service hours for it.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Loyal fans?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I heard they upped their offer and agreed to include Filip Kuba and Brian Lee in the deal.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Dec 16, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Last season when they got a 1st +2nd for Mike Fisher, lots of Sens fans started thinking Murray was a superhero and was going to get them a 2nd round pick for each of Kuba and Lee.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly forgetting the fact that Murray couldn’t give those guys away all season.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Dec 16, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Talk about tipping the scales.
by Self Destructive Zones on Dec 16, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
If I were still in high school, Ilya Bryzgalov’s “Universe” speech would be my yearbook quote.
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I liked the Tiger quotes myself.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Humangus Big.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of 24/7..since HBO is not rerunning it until next week (at least HBO via Movie Central) anyone have a link to watch it online?
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You can find it on youtube in 4 parts
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
does it bother anyone else the narrator says score instead of goal?
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My parents have HBO and I am so excited to watch it when I go home for the break.
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I just watched the first episode last night. I was really not expecting to enjoy it that much. Fantastic stuff.
Except when Avery is on-screen. Somehow that guy gets douchier every day. Fashion modelling? Seriously?
by LeafInVancouver on Dec 16, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
One week till I get to catch up. I need to skip all the threads on it until then.
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Oh Darren
Told the Calgary Flames are out of the Turris hunt. Ottawa still has interest. Wpg isn’t in. Toronto is in its freeze (lol)…
Ah yes, because the Leafs are going to miss out on the can’t miss Kyle Turris right? Please.
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Trade negotiations start with Phaneuf, Kessel, Kadri or Burke doesn’t have a chance…
by stevesmith19 on Dec 16, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
How often do first line healthy scratches become available?
by stevesmith19 on Dec 16, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Ottawa: So Filatov didn’t work out… so let’s try another horribly underproducing 1st round draft pick.
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Doughty?
/burn
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Where is Nikolai Zherdev these days? Not just another first round bust, but another Columbus first round bust. Perfect fit to go with Leclaire and Filatov. I here Derick Brassard might be available too and I am pretty sure Gilbert Brule could be had for the right price (bag of pucks).
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by HockeyAnalysis on Dec 16, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Rick Nash and to a much lesser extent Klesla are the only things Columbus has ever drafted and developed properly.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Regarding their Top 10 picks anyway
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Of which they have several
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and they probably couldn’t have screwed up Nash if they tried. Pretty sad drafting record. Voracek looks like he might be a decent second line guy though with 2-way ability.
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by HockeyAnalysis on Dec 16, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
I still like Voracek’s long term outlook and Zherdev (if nothing else) had the talent. But you are right he wasn’t developed properly.
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 16, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
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by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As per JoshRimerHockey, Panthers and Sens are the frontrunners…. says it’s going to be one of the two…
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
OMG!!!! LEAFS ARE MISSING OUT ON BONAFIDE SUPERDUPERSTAR TURRIS……………….STOP BEING STUPID BURKE…………..BLAGERHGSFAKSDSD!!!
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by LeafFan1989 on Dec 16, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
this is worse than him taking some trip during UFA season causing us to lose out on Brad Richards
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NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
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Man, you’d think proactive would be all up in his business, trying to sponsor him
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
Hi. I’m Phil the Thrill Kessel of the Toronto Maple Leafs. I used to be an awkward 20-something NHL star with a bit of an acne problem. I was always nervous in front of the camera and didn’t enjoy the spotlight. Well, after using proactive for 90 days, I’m here to tell you that it truly works. I mean, I’m still awkward and stuff, but that pesky acne is more distant than Scott Gomez’s last NHL goal.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
by birky on Dec 16, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And smiles that immediately disappear into frowns when he looks directly into the camera.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
The main thing here is to win hackey games, right?
by Tickle Me Aulie on Dec 16, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sweet Jesus
Chris Pronger is, simply put, a mess right now. For most of the past month he’s been stumbling around, regularly forgetting very simple things and constantly feeling severe nausea.
and
I always envisioned Pronger as a GM when his playing days ended, kind of a blustery, maverick type who wouldn’t be afraid to make bold moves. I hope I see that come to pass. It’s hard to believe he’ll ever play this game again – let the Hall of Fame debate start if that’s the case – but stranger things have happened.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 10:59 AM EST reply actions
he sure seemed fine in that 24/7 interview.
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I hope YouTube comes down to film this.
I wondered whether those were pre-hit and filmed before the series really started going…
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Or just filmed a few takes and took the ones where he looked okay.
Wonder if we’ll see him again in the series at all. I think it’d be bad form if HBO started following him around taping some of the worst days of his life.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
You could see the scar next to his eye from the Grabbo high stick.
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There’s a suggestion that Grabbo’s stick isn’t responsible for the concussion, but a hit from Martin Hanzal 5 games later did it.
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by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
TSN (not always a good source) talking heads were arguing part of this is because people come back too early, and then when they get hit again they’re out for a long time.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Ugh if it was Grabbo, Leafs are a team full of star-destroyers.
I guess we’re getting Matt Cooke next.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Nah lets trade for Wayne Simmonds, his whole team probably hates him now. We could get him for nothing.
meh, if you hate a guy for an accidental collision he tried to avoid you’re a jerk.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I was wondering that, it wouldn’t seem like Grabbo’s stick could exert enough force to cause a concussion from what was almost just a garden variety high stick.
Granted I’m not sure about that, but it wouldn’t seem like that would cause a concussion to me…
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
They said his eye was very swollen and some of the area around it. I agree though, I wouldn’t think a stick blade would cause enough deceleration for a concussion. Although maybe he was already concussed and that made it worse?
I’d need one of our resident neurologists/doctors to know, but is it possible that the eye swelling could put pressure on the optic nerve/brain enough that it would cause concussion-like symptoms or post-concussion syndrome?
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I’m not a doctor, but I can certainly give you as professional-sounding an opinion as anyone else (based on a complete absence of evidence.)
Where’s Van Ryn? I’m also much cheaper than him.
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by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Screw you.
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so, unless you got that piece of paper with your name on it, he’s not refering to you :P
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 16, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I will pretend he wrote this
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Well then, hell, I’m gonna claim to be an astrophysicist-astronaut-Formula 1 driver in training.
Who cares if my day job is just “billionaire-porn star-also-really-good-at-Angry Birds.”
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by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But like PFACNF said below, he may have had quite a few concussions in his career, I think maybe once you build up that much brain trauma it doesn’t take much to get symptoms again.
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seconded. this is well documented, in fact.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 16, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, if your eye is swelling, I have to think there are bigger concerns than whether or not it’ll cause concussion-like symptoms. Like causing damage that would limit your vision permanently.
But from my rusty memory on neural physiology (I work in basic cell physiology and cardiology), the optic nerve does not include pain sensors/nerves, so increased pressure on it would not cause pain. However, increased pressure in your eye socket would lead to pain.
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sounds about right. doubt the eye could swell that much to cause that kind of pain though.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 16, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I just thought about it and IIRC Brashear’s concussion from the McSorley incident was more related to his head smashing the ice than McSorley’s two-handed swing at his head.
Pronger’s head didn’t smash the ice… and Grabbo definitely wasn’t swinging his stick nearly as hard as McSorley was
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
The face is essentially a built in impact absorber for the brain. No way Grabbo’s stick to the eye is the source of Pronger’s concussion like symptoms……unless the subsequent swelling in his head which the article states he had is the true culprit here. In which case, should’ve been wearing a damn visor.
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by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
he also wasn’t swinging his stick with the sole purpose of hitting another player in the head
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I just went back and watched the video and he was.
Still I was thinking what you said above, that there’s no way Grabbo’s stick is the cause unless the swelling caused the concussion (though is concussion the term if the symptoms are caused by swelling?)
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Take note, the Flyers haven’t said “concussion” just “severe post concussion syndrome” which is characterized by the headaches, loss of memory, etc…… the same symptoms from swelling/pressure increase of the brain.
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The real question is does it heal differently?
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I would think that the symptoms would go away as the swelling decreases… but him being out for the season would seem to indicate otherwise…
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
That’s the scariest part for me. That they already know its bad enough that he won’t be playing hockey for the next seven months.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 16, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Though they did add a “he might be better on march but its highly unlikely” disclaimer.
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My interpretation is that while the symptoms might go away sooner, the danger of re-injury won’t.
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by Back In Black on Dec 16, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
As an eye doc, I will say it’s exceedingly rare for ocular trauma to result in a concussion.
With that being said, however, try eye and the brain are very connected, sharing connective tissue (the meninges) and cerebrospinal fluid, so it’s not impossible.
by DSOD on Dec 16, 2011 1:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
What about just concussion like symptoms? Headaches, nausea, light sensitivity, etc…..
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Absolutely. Not so much nausea, but blurred vision, light sensitivity, and headaches are fairly common.
I went to school in Philly and he went to some of the best ophthalmologists in the area, so I’m sure they would be able to differentiate between the symptoms…
by DSOD on Dec 16, 2011 1:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You know, just a suggestion here, but why don’t they allow the citizens of Philadelphia… to… ummmm… go to school? As well? In Philadelphia?
Seems like a logical thing to do with an entire city full of illiterates.
/justputtin’itoutthere
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by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Wait wait. Did I miss something? Or is the concept of abusing everything about Philadelphians not still on?
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by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Guy’s an eye doctor giving info about eye injuries. No need to treat him like a Flyers fan.
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Yeah, I got that.
His page says he’s a Leafs fan though, who happened to go to school in Philly.
So I suspect he very much understands the concept of FLYRES fans, and probably wants to see them abused as much as the next right-thinking person.
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by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
yep.
You got it. No flyers fan here. Just a guy from Sarnia who happened to go to optom school in Philly.
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by DSOD on Dec 16, 2011 2:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Been booed at many a flyers-leafs game.
Badge of Honour.
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by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Did you go to med school there or just your residency?
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by DSOD on Dec 16, 2011 4:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yes, but he went to concussion specialists and from what I know about most MDs, they care only about treating symptoms, not figuring out the cause.
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I know what you mean all too well, but in this case, what I mean to say is that the docs who saw him for his ocular injuries wouldn’t have missed something that caused a concussion. I’m very much of the opinion that most of his problems stem from some type of head trauma after the fact, not because of Grabbo.
I was actually at the game where he was injured with some old school buddies.
by DSOD on Dec 16, 2011 2:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
An ACTUAL doctor around these parts? Awesome.
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not to mention the cranial nerves…
still, doubt it’s related.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 16, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
But then it could’ve been filmed after grabbo’s high stick, but still “pre-hit,” per goosemonster’s comment.
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Fuuuuuuck.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
That is terrible to hear. Love or hate Pronger, you hate to hear about anyone that is having those kind of issues.
Yeah you never want to see a former player (or anyone for that matter) suffering from those kind of mental issues
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Shit, that sounds pretty bad.
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Over/Under on how many concussions he’s suffered throughout his career and just "shook off’?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Oh at least.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I’d put the over under at 9 – one for every two years hockey played.
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I’d take the over. He’s probably suffered a few in the playoffs.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Dec 16, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention his time in junior … when they certainly would have been under-diagnosed if not missed completely.
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by fair_n_hite_451 on Dec 16, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
That’s really scary. I hope he gets better.
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Could trade him to Toronto, that apparently cures concussions in a jiffy (Lombardi)
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Obligatory
For Lupul.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
If Pronger is done, is Philly still on the hook for his cap hit since he is 35+? That would be a $5-million milestone on that organization for the next five-years?
The Flyers will cheat by putting him on LTIR forever like they did with Mike Rathje.
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Its technically legal, but i am free to consider it cheating anyway.
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why would you think your own team is cheating?
by Nigel Cadbury on Dec 16, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I’m talking about LTIR-ing someone that clearly has no intention of ever playing hockey again. i.e.. Mike Rathje.
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I know, going with the whole you’re a Flyers fan meme we got going.
by Nigel Cadbury on Dec 16, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s cheating since the guy has a pretty serious injury………
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by LeafFan1989 on Dec 16, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
yea that too but I was putting it in moral terms which I thought was what Ubiquitous was going for
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by LeafFan1989 on Dec 16, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Well, it could be cheating if the Flyers get him to ride out this injury longer than it really exists (as an “alternative retirement”), but it’s a fairly baseless accusation at this point, where Pronger is more useful than the LTIR space, and they’ve got a long way to go before they’re getting out form under that contract.
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by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
At some point, a guy being on LTIR for 5 years won’t pass the Smell Test.
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But was he on it for 5 years like Pronger hypothetically would be?
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Let’s see how the Mark Savard issue ends up, first.
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by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
True. But it’s a bit of a different scenario because if Savard retires, his cap hit is gone.
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This.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to argue against Burke and these lifetime deals lately.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
5 year max.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Which is why he will more than likely never win any of these prize UFA bidding wars unless they change the rules
Which, let’s face it, may end up being a good thing.
He can certainly handle himself in the trade market.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, I’m ok with losing out on UFA’s if the contracts they end up signing are stupid.
Someone wants to give Parise a 12 year 104 Million contract? fine by me, better your team than the Leafs
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Parise </3
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but Pronger won’t retire because then he’s be forfeiting $25M. If he’s truly “done”, he’ll stay on LTIR, much like Laperriere, so the Flyers keep the capspace and Pronger keeps the cash.
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though the years he’s “Making” 500,000 i suspect he may take another job (and therefore “retire”)
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"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
Damn
ONLY making 500k? HOW CAN ONE LIVE!?!?
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
If he retires, his contract would count against the cap, too.
RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
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by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Just over $19M in actual cash still owed after this season.
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Did you ever actually sit and wonder how some of these sports owners’ ever made money in their other businesses?
Like Ed Snider is totally on board with spending $19M over the next five seasons so that his team has the cap space to spend an additional $24M over those same five seasons?
He’s paying $19M for the privilige of spending $24M. Baffling.
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Just finished reading this piece by Ken Dryden, posted by TSM on twitter. It’s thought provoking stuff – definitely worth a read.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7352942/waiting-science
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your brain is an incredible thing. respect it.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 16, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
you do wear a helmet, right?
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 16, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well, sure, MY brain is.
But some of this lot around here, Jesus. Jam for brains.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
This saddens me. Also reminds me that Savard is not playing yet, either.
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Until he officially retires, I won’t rule out anything.
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Well that's about as close to a confirmed starter as we'll likely get
Zeisberger
Wilson says more than likely Reimer
Which means Gus vs. Vancouver on Saturday.
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yup, pretty much. We’ll see how it goes, I’m not expecting much from the Vancouver game from us…
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I expect Grabbo to lose his shit on some Swedish nerds.
by Tickle Me Aulie on Dec 16, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I expect a Phaneuf smash on Daniel or Henrik or both
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
That’d be the most glorious video of all time. It would be required to be gif’d and then posted repeatedly at all times.
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think D.Sedin is out, isn’t he? I’m pretty sure he was vs. Carlolina.
by LeafInVancouver on Dec 16, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Had a sore back yesterday
Unknown if he will play tomorrow yet
"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
Luongo vs. Gustavsson? Fair deal.
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At least one bed will most definitely be shit.
by LeafInVancouver on Dec 16, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I was honestly hoping for Optimus to be in net vs the Vandivers, assuming he’d do one of those brick wall impersonations we saw last year.
by LeafInVancouver on Dec 16, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
More likely, they’ll fall on their own sword and suffer upper body injuries.
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"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
I’d prefer no more injuries to you guys, but I’d like to win. Miller often has our number, let’s home we got the hot goalie out of our system in Carolina.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I’m excited to watch Connolly match up against his replacement Leino. So happy Tim didn’t get hurt before this one or Sabres fans would have at it.
Wait, what’s that about Leino?
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Hey now.
Half those points came in the last 6 games.
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"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
Ho boy!
Mike Milbury accused of assaulting 12 year old boy during youth hockey game in Boston.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
Milbury is an assistant coach of a local hockey team
Probably a good call not making him the manager.
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by clrkaitken on Dec 16, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is it wrong that the most important question i have is “Is milbury fired yet?”
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"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
Nah
I’m guessing he grabbed the kid by the collar and shook him around a bit. Kid’s probably just fine.
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True enough. The common conception of ‘assault’ and the strict legal definition are pretty far apart.
That being said, you have to be a total chuckle head (which Milbury is) to do that to someone’s kid, so fuck him.
The First Certified Grabbo Lover
I find it quite incredible that VS and/or CBC have continually failed to find anyone else more worthwhile to put on air than this moron.
CBC continues to show how totally inept they are. I used to look forward to Hockey Night in Canada. I much prefer TSN now, and they rarely get games anymore compared to Sportsnet, which is probably even worse than HNIC (as it lacks anyone of integrity, like say Friedman)
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else think dad saw $$$ signs popping out of his kid’s pockets?
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by Bower Power on Dec 16, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
No
I’m pretty sure he saw blood popping out of Milbury’s ears because I’d have beaten him to a pulp were it my kid.
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by SkinnyFish on Dec 16, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No . but i did spot a little something in his glove.
At least it's not Lebda.
by Nifty Mittens on Dec 16, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Another question that comes to my mind is “Why couldn’t it have been Healy?” Although really, its a difficult task to determine the lesser of two evils in that case.
by Self Destructive Zones on Dec 16, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Of the two?……healy for sure, I don’t really care for the intermissions but can’t stop watching the game
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by LeafFan1989 on Dec 16, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I lean towards Healy as well. This of course being dependent on the hope that HNIC would rid themselves of anyone for assaulting a child.
by Self Destructive Zones on Dec 16, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, of the two I have to say I hate Healy more. Milbery was a terrible, terrible GM and he’s usually a bad commentator, but every once in a while he can bring himself to say something that isnt totally stupid. I can’t say the same for Healy, who clearly has a grudge against the Leafs and was also a terrible, terrible goalie. Who criticizes much better goalies continuously.
by Goosemonster on Dec 16, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
yikes.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yikes.
RT by Dmitry Chesnokov
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Massachusetts Law provides for up to 5 years in prison for assault and battery against child #milbury
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Good.
Though as (I assume) a first offense and if he pleads guilty he’ll get something like community service and anger management therapy (imagine if hte community service is being a coach of a youth hockey team).
About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.
imagine if hte community service is being a coach of a youth hockey team
More like community disservice, am I right, am I right?
/sadtrombone
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 16, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Can I just say...
fuck Boston? And everything about it? From Lucic the goalie-runner to Nguyen the glove-shitter to Milbury the kid-hitter?
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck all of Boston.
(Except Cornelius, who’s not up to my exacting standards.)
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Oopse. I mean this: http://qkme.me/35ijpe
No one ever suspects the butterfly...
by Caleafornia on Dec 16, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no no, fuck Corny too
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I won’t.
And you can’t make me.
Subs in.
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Idiot does Idiotic thing
BOSTON — A former Boston Bruin and current TV analyst has been charged with assault and battery on a child.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/sports/30013683/detail.html
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Gardiner
Siegel piece aobut Gardiner’s minutes – apparently he never gets tired. Its funny how nonchalant he is.
Re playing over 20 mins:
“People keep asking me if I’m surprised,” Gardiner said in conversation with the Leaf Report. “Not really. I like it. I don’t know if I’m surprised … In college I played like 30-35; it’s not anything new really.”
He played over 30 minutes in College? Maybe we should try to get Weber or Suter? Between Schenn, Phaneuf, Gardiner, and Weber/Suter we could just run w/ 5 defensemen
/notcompletelyserious
by Chi-town leafs on Dec 16, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
This is one reason I wish they published TOI figures for college.
They play a lot less games though.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
the Badger D is trash this season. I can see why they played him so much.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Dec 16, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Pronger
FriedgeHNIC
Holmgren: I made 29 phone calls yesterday when I got the news. Doesn’t expect anything “anytime soon.” Christmas trade freeze coming soon.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Lebda-free since July 3.
We don’t wanna take advantage of the poor soul while in such a vulnerable position, so I think a “JVR, Read and Timonen as the throw-in” package should about suffice, no?
by gettingcozywithsarkozy on Dec 16, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I would just like to say
that a right-thinking hockey nation, no man would shit in another man’s glove.
That almost… FLYRES!!!1
I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.
by not norm ullman on Dec 16, 2011 1:37 PM EST reply actions
LTIR
How does it work cap-wise? How long does someone need to be out? Can you do it retroactively? ie Komisarek – will we be able to count all the games/days he misses vs our Cap?
10 gms/ 24 days i believe. It can be done retroactively.
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
cap implications
For this year only, it is fairly simple: They don’t count against the cap at all. Most years it is more complicated.
Mike Weber Pressbox Incarceration Status: Free to roam the blueline.
"I know its a viable strategy and all, but i’d prefer the Flyers not try to take off Miller’s head with every shot."
I’m not sure why he hasn’t already been placed on it.
Leafs could use every dollar of cap space then can get.
We’re right up against the cap essentially. Don’t get your hopes up about any deadline deals unless salary is going back.
No more moral victories, no more excuses. Put up or shut up.
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by nhlcheapshot on Dec 16, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
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