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In Which Ron Wilson Trolls Damien Cox

In the week prior to Saturday's game against the Boston Bruins came news that James Reimer had been cleared by team doctors to return to the team, and would be the backup to Jonas Gustavsson. Said Wilson in his Friday press conference:

I’m not being definitive on anything, but we’ve told Gustavsson that he’s going to be playing tomorrow.

Come Saturday night, it was James Reimer starting between the pipes. This decision by Wilson to start Reimer, despite leading on that Gustavsson would get the start, upset noted phallic look-a-like Damien Cox. From Damien Cox's Twitter feed last night and into this morning, (which I can't directly link to because I've been #CoxBlocked)

Leafs mislead media, then are astonished when we go find other sources for information. This strategy didn't work for JP Riccardi, either.

People in sports believe its not lying when done for strategic reasons.

Three years missing the playoffs and the genius still thinks he's smarter than the rest.

Hmmmm. Wonder why nobody believed the Leafs when they say Reimer didn't have a concussion....or when say their coach isn't going anywhere...

Its always amusing how the liars in sport are always the ones preaching abt "character"

Continued after the jump.

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As a franchise, top to bottom, Leafs are consumed - and distracted - by trying to out-maneuver the media. Shud (sic) focus more on winning games.

One more reason to like James Reimer: his honesty. Perhaps he could explain the concept to his coach.

Those who endorse a coach's right to lie shud not then be pissed when coach tells your kid he's got a spot on the team....then doesn't.

All I can tell you is JP Ricciardi's road outta town started with one ridiculously obvious lie.

In a word, Damien Cox was butthurt. But head coach Ron Wilson frankly doesn't care. From his own Twitter feed this morning:

Favorite movies: Liar,Liar; The Invention of Lying; Big Fat Liar. HaHa!

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Ron Wilson…he’s the troll we want…so we’re taking him ;)

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by LeafBoy on Dec 4, 2011 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

The funniest part is that Wilson never really lied, he was careful to never definitively say that Gustavsson would be the starter. Damien Cox just likes whining to get attention.

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by Shield on Dec 4, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

This is random...

http://trollronwilson.tumblr.com/

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by Shield on Dec 4, 2011 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

WARNING: Really stupid/dumb.

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by Shield on Dec 4, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Incredibly

Sometimes it seems this cycle never ends, we slide from top to bottom then we turn and climb again.

by Chris Stoikoff on Dec 4, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Between Wilson trolling Cox, and Burke trolling Simmons, their presence on Twitter is becoming increasingly amazing. Howard Berger must surely be next in the firing line…

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by dbfinch on Dec 4, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Howard Berger is irrelevant these days. Although it wouldn’t surprise me if they laughed at him. lol.

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by LeafBoy on Dec 4, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

When they got on Twitter I thought they’d just be regurgitating media lines. Turns out they’ve figured out how to use Twitter with alarming speed

Professional cusser causer.

by T is for Truculence on Dec 4, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If only Wilson could apply his quick-learning ability to fixing the PK and devising a strategy to beat the Bruins.

Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.

by Shield on Dec 4, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Rons twitter would just be embarrassing. Its turned out to be hilarious.

Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.

by BlindSight on Dec 4, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He said he was just going to talk about Dexter and his grandkids. So glad he’s decided to take his sardonic approach to the media online.

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by Draglikepull on Dec 4, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, Cox is an idiot. The Bruins didn’t tell anyone Rask was starting either, OMG JULIEN IS MORALLY EVIL!!

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by Shield on Dec 4, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember how Steve Simmons was censured for his piece about Sundin’s hip? The media are a role model for accountability.

by mf37 on Dec 4, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh, that is an excellent point.

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by jrwendelman on Dec 4, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

two mismatched mittens and a Twix bar in net.

milk snort

Glenn Healy = Human sewage.
Scrivens on a prayer...

by Future_considerations on Dec 4, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

When did the Leafs trade for Steve Mason?

Release the Mackan!

by Killer_Carlson on Dec 4, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

To laugh at how deluded those guys are thinking they’re relevant? That’s the only reason I can think of. They’re becoming more like clowns and less like journalists every day.

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by LeafBoy on Dec 4, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

and with each twitter outburst (“boo hoo, I’ve been blocked by Burke!” “Wilson misled me about a starting goalie!”) they become even more irrelevant.

I unfollowed them both long ago and haven’t written a word of their column in a long long time.

by mf37 on Dec 4, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I much prefer Bitter Leaf Fan to what you used to write for Cox and Berger.

Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

by Nirbo on Dec 4, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

haven’t written a word of their column

Is that why the quality is so much worse?

(jk I’m sure you wouldn’t own up to it if you did write their crap)

by GettinGiggy on Dec 5, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

that about sums it up

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by Likely on Dec 4, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s crazy. In an era where media personnel should be trying to convince readers that they can provide both unique content (access) and interesting analysis, too many seem to try and hold the access hostage. If I want to know what’s happening in the press conference, or in the locker room, I need to sit through Cox’s berating “if you like the Leafs, you’re an unabashed homer and you’re an idiot.”

I just don’t understand why Damien – or the Star – are so interested in spurning their own readers. I guess it’s an attention thing.

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by Bower Power on Dec 4, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s just called being neutral you kool-aid drinker.

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by SkinnyFish on Dec 4, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, just ask CBC. They prove the neutrality of their Leafs coverage by consistently and continually insulting every aspect of the Leafs’ game.

by Goosemonster on Dec 4, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What is wrong with drinking Kool-aid?!?

by Ducky_22 on Dec 5, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats why Siegel is awesome. He doesn’t provide in depth analysis or anything, just gives us an eye and ear behind the scenes.

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Siegel has phenomenal access, and asks the questions I think everyone wants to know the answers to. Mirtle stands as, what I think is, the best cross between access and analysis out of any MSM’er. Could you ever imagine Cox or Simmons going through to compile a table of man-games lost to injury? It just wouldn’t happen.

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by Bower Power on Dec 4, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I really like Mirtle

But I actually love the lack of analysis, or in other words straight up reporting, that is found in Siegel’s work. He goes in, asks the questions we want (or something interesting), then presents it in a nice narrative without much analysis (some background sometimes provided). I just really like his work.

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Jonas is also at every single game and in every single scrum. Man has a level of dedication that means he’s working seven days a week sometimes.

They make me take days off. :-)

All hockey all the time at The Globe and Mail

by James Mirtle on Dec 4, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Hahah

I hope you didn’t take that as an insult. I love your writing. You provide insiteful analysis that is fun to read and thought provoking.

There is just something I really like about Siegel’s, how do I put it, simpler writing?

Your writing on the other hand, brings to the Globe, what I consider the best of the blogging world (with better grammar and editing and narrative style). You bring the indepth analysis that I find on these blogs and mix it with your access to write cool articles. Bower Power put it best:

Mirtle stands as, what I think is, the best cross between access and analysis out of any MSM’er

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And

Days off are awesome. I didn’t realize Siegel was so intense.

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Just imagine trying to cover 41 road games while flying commercially. It’s unbelievable how hard it is. Jonas is at games until 11 and then has 5 a.m. wakeup calls to get to the next city many nights during the season.

I’m only at about 15 of the road games.

All hockey all the time at The Globe and Mail

by James Mirtle on Dec 4, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So you’re saying Siegel is some kind of robot?

by Be26 on Dec 4, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Although....

The way I read it, Mirtle’s pretty much calling Siegel “a loser without a life.”

You can quote me on that.

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by not norm ullman on Dec 4, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s a young guy making a name for himself. Go Jonas Go!

All hockey all the time at The Globe and Mail

by James Mirtle on Dec 4, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m really impressed with the stuff Joans has done this year. Maybe it’s just me, but he’s seems like he’s really upped his game over previous year’s coverage.

by mf37 on Dec 4, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve really been enjoying him at TSN as well. I found him useful at 640, and I don’t quite know how to characterize the difference, but I find myself leaning on his work a lot more this season.

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by puckurgently on Dec 4, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He does get 5-6 months a year to have a life.

To have that guy’s job, I think we’d all be willing to sacrifice a chunk of our social life for half the year, can’t lie.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Dec 4, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

uh yes.

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by sportsfan2 on Dec 4, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the season is easily September to April. So that’s four months free anyway. And usually stations will use you for the playoffs. So you’re down to two.

It’s not easy, but I hear what you’re saying. Still, he puts in a lot of long hours to do what he’s doing.

All hockey all the time at The Globe and Mail

by James Mirtle on Dec 5, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Jonas Siegel: Robo-Reporter

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
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by Frag on Dec 4, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone has to choose anyway – good to get both perspectives anyway. I read what Jonas is doing, too.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 4, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough. I have never gotten a straight answer on this: who is your favourite NHL team?

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t have one. When I was younger, it used to change every few years. My family is all Canucks fans and those were most of the games we got when I was in high school.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 4, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh cool. How’d you end up in TO?

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Went to Ryerson School of Journalism about 10 years ago.

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by James Mirtle on Dec 4, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That is probably about the same time as my Cousin Mike Koreen.

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Or if you mean started about 10 years ago, his younger brother Eric.

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Eric went to school with my friend Greg. I see Eric on tv all the time at Raps games.

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by furcifer on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

not that I watch Raptors games.

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by furcifer on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahah cool. I enjoyed the NBA lockout because I started reading his non-NBA articles.

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by BCapp on Dec 5, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

flyerrob’d

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by sportsfan2 on Dec 4, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The capital C? .

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yezzir

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by sportsfan2 on Dec 4, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad.

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I enjoyed it.

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by sportsfan2 on Dec 4, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

GO RAMS!

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by Frag on Dec 4, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

So, how difficult was it for you...

… what with divorcing your Canuck-fan family?

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Dec 4, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m indifferent to it so no biggy. Now my old man just wants updates on players in his hockey pool (mostly Bozak).

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by James Mirtle on Dec 4, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

with the recent losses there’s room for you on the wagon if you’re interested

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by sportsfan2 on Dec 4, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Great comment, James Mirtle!!!!!

Though you must get ribbed a lot, what with sharing a name with that gas-bag at the Globe.

Oh wait….

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Dec 4, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

it’s clearly not the Star’s policy, because Doug Smith engages with social media really well. Cox is a moron

by Jon K. on Dec 4, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Because there is still a generation of people (like my father) who has no interest in doing any of the things you just suggested. Sports news to my father is what he watches while he exercises before work, reads in the paper over breakfast, and hears on the radio while he is driving.

The closest thing he does to a “new media” approach to getting sports information is checking sports scores live on the TSN app.

While sports jounalists like the guys you mentioned are becoming increasingly irrelevant there still is a market for them. Just much smaller than before.

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Given the transformation of sports coverage, why should I, or anyone else, read the likes of Cox, Simmons, Berger etc.? I can’t think of a single reason.

Someone may be hearing footsteps, but I don’t think it’s Wilson.

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by jrwendelman on Dec 4, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow they hide injuries and they hide who’ll start on a given night. Take it easy damien cocks. What an overreaction. JP Riccardi’s lack of success had nothing to do with lying. What a child this man is.

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by Chuck Diesel on Dec 4, 2011 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Those who endorse a coach’s right to lie shud not then be pissed when coach tells your kid he’s got a spot on the team….then doesn’t

WTF is this? Is this in reference to something? Did Wilson cut Cox’s kid from a AAA team or something?

by Self Destructive Zones on Dec 4, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

I think he is refferring to Gus, as a justification for his tantrum

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by Redonred on Dec 4, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Gus’ parents unfortunately weren’t pissed about him lying. Dacocks fails again.

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by Chuck Diesel on Dec 4, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Or, you know, a coach’s right to make roster decisions in the days leading up to a game.

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by Blinky on Dec 4, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the “Three years missing the playoffs and the genius still thinks he’s smarter than the rest.” Simple test – behind the Leafs bench do you want:

Ron Wilson.

Any member of the MSM.

I’d generally believe he is a better coach than any member of the media and can’t be angry at the idea that they’d rather not obsess over every little detail every minute of every day in pressers to satisfy a bunch who like to think they know what the correct answer is rather than what the correct questions are. Sports media is too much about speculation and told-you-so-isms than actual reporting.

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by Learn2Leaf on Dec 4, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t know why this “journalist” thinks he deserves to be fed the truth by anyone from MLSE…………..

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by LeafFan1989 on Dec 4, 2011 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

Not to get into moral relativism, but the coach changing starting goalies three days later doesn’t seem to be of the same magnitude as other “lies”

Cox’s outrage seems out of scale with Wilson’s fib.

by mf37 on Dec 4, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

No room whatsoever for re-evaluation in coaching a hockey team, I guess.

by Self Destructive Zones on Dec 4, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, even for Cox and his usual hyperbolic self, he’s made a mountain out of a mole hill. I’m guessing he feels like nobody is listening to him, thus he’s taken up his soapbox to yell in the city centre about an issue nobody cares about.

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by SkinnyFish on Dec 4, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a technical term for those. We call them “windbags.”

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by LeafBoy on Dec 4, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

HEY, CLOUD. YEAH YOU! FUCK YOU CLOUD!

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by JaredFromLondon on Dec 4, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

haha

As a proud member of the #CoxBlocked club on the day @DamoSpin came out with his girlfriends comment I can’t help but dance a little happy dance.

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by furcifer on Dec 4, 2011 3:23 PM EST reply actions  

At least he wrote a book that's now a hot commodity!

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by Shield on Dec 4, 2011 3:28 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

That 13-4-2 stat is pretty awesome.

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by BlindSight on Dec 4, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

We didn’t really get handled Bruins style against the Sens, but it’s pretty incredible that the boys have been so successful against everybody else.

by scrambles the death dealer on Dec 4, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

14-6-2 against teams not named “Bruins” is crazy in and of itself.

by scott tubbesing on Dec 4, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn’t seem from Twitter that Mirtle was terribly impressed with this stunt either. You guys like being casually lied to? What’s the point? Why not just say they haven’t made up their minds yet?

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by Back In Black on Dec 4, 2011 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

Wilson and Burke often engage in tactics that they think will take media attention away from their players, especially their goalies. Wilson has repeatedly (and successfully) been deceptive about which goalie was starting in order to draw the media away (Reimer’s first game last year, Scrivens first game this year, Reimer’s return last night). I think that’s smart management. I don’t particularly care whether I’m being lied to about a topic as meaningless as who’s going to start in goal during a hockey game. People should be reading between the lines anyway, there’s no point in taking a GM or coach at his word all the time.

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by Draglikepull on Dec 4, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

For the flip side to that

If the media don’t trust the organization to be honest with them, they are going to go digging for other sources.

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean… they might have to do actual research?

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by Nirbo on Dec 4, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

As in calling Reimer’s mom.

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by Redonred on Dec 4, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s basically what I suggested in today’s FTB.

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by Draglikepull on Dec 4, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I am probably not explaining myself well. Read Mirtle’s twitter feed from last night. He brings up a good point in that the media should have faith in the honesty of what they’re told.

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by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone knew who was actually starting 7 hours before game time. Who, exactly, got hurt by Wilson saying he’d told Jonas to be ready, days beforehand, when it was possible for Reimer to have a setback?

by koopa kid on Dec 4, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes Damo Dumbo blocked me on Twitter!

by scott tubbesing on Dec 4, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions  

I’m fairly certain that I’m immune to being coxblocked at this point.

Paedophiles are using an area of internet the size of Ireland.

by article1 on Dec 4, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

I can’t be blocked by him because I don’t follow him, and I’d rather stick my head in a blender than follow him.

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by LeafBoy on Dec 4, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure that’s how it works.

Paedophiles are using an area of internet the size of Ireland.

by article1 on Dec 4, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He blocked me when I wasn’t following him. I found it pretty funny.

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by puckurgently on Dec 4, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve never understood the idea that teams owe media any information at all. They’re not governments. Their activity affects no one who doesn’t choose to follow along. Assuming a duty of transparency here misunderstand’s both sport’s and media’s roles in society. I, for one, am very happy to see team personnel understand that, even if some of our sports media don’t.

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by puckurgently on Dec 4, 2011 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly. The media should gather information objectively and not consider it personal when they are given incomplete or inaccurate information. No reader of the Star or any other outlet is going to be like “the Star is giving me inaccurate information”. They know that these outlets are literally just a mouthpiece of the players and coaches.

by scott tubbesing on Dec 4, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Again Mirtle raised the good point that it isn’t that they need to tell them anything. Its that when they do, they should be honest.

About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.

by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Why shouldn’t playing the media be able to be part of their strategic approach?

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by puckurgently on Dec 4, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It can be, but then they can’t be upset when the media stops believing them and digging deeper.

About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.

by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That’s fair. I don’t think calling Reimer’s mom was unethical. I do think it was pointless, but that’s a very different complaint.

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by puckurgently on Dec 4, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

To be honest I don’t think the Leafs have to be honest with the media. I am just trying to play devil’s advocate here.

About time that people finally realized how awesome Gunnar is...
Certified Gunnar & Kule lover!
My new goal: To get the nickname Hebrew Hammer for Mike Brown to take off.

by BCapp on Dec 4, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Hear what you’re saying, and this is true… I guess I don’t see the problem, though. The media shouldn’t be taking corporate statements as accurate assessments of reality.

I’m still baffled that this all came out of a statement which was preceded by “I’m not trying to be definitive here, but”. Where is the lie?

Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?

by Nirbo on Dec 4, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

When he says they decided on Reimer three days earlier.

All hockey all the time at The Globe and Mail

by James Mirtle on Dec 5, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

But that still doesn’t prove how that hurts the media? If he had changed his mind right before the game and not told you “I decided 3 days ago”, how would that be any better or worse? Just because you feel he’s being honest to you (maybe they’re not being honest about deciding 3 days ago) in that scenario, does not make finding out the starting goaltender any different – everyone still found out at the same time. So what if some people thought it was Gustavsson for a couple days?

And as anyone who reads Jonas Siegel knows, he correctly pointed out how Wilson said he was not being definitive. Maybe he changed his mind right after the scrum (not sure if the timeline aligns, but even then I’m arguing who cares)? But if Siegel was able to figure out that perhaps Wilson was setting this up to be Reimer’s game with that comment, surely any of the other media members could be able to as well.

Who cares if they don’t force feed you the entire story (and Mirtle definitely does more work than just being force-fed a story) – many people, from Siegel to internet fan forums – figured it out ahead of time.

by thewolfshead on Dec 5, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, how is it any worse than a player who is obviously visually upset or frustrated about something just feeding a reporter cliches? How is that any less of a lie than anything else?

Are we supposed to believe Roberto Luongo doesn’t care that people are calling for his head in Vancouver and that Schneider was getting all those starts? Players lie all the time, it’s just “hidden” through cliches.

If you don’t like what the coach is saying, use your skills you developed in becoming a journalist to write a beautifully written and compelling story, show how great of a reporter you are, rather than moping about it on the internet.

by thewolfshead on Dec 5, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

It hurts the relationship between the team and the people (media, fans, etc.) who follow the team. Wilson complains about the media talking to players’ parents, but then he drives them to it. In this case, it was a ‘clever’ ploy to keep his real starting goaltender away from the spotlight. However, next time he says “Gustavsson is going to start”, both Reimer and Gustavsson will be immediately plagued with questions to see if the coach is lying or not. The next time Connolly’s out with a pulled leg muscle, his friends and family will contacted to see if he really has a concussion, because the coach is a liar.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Dec 5, 2011 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Those were terrible movies.

@yearofme

by laser358 on Dec 4, 2011 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

WHOOSH?

Flugenweb, space code, twit zone, ass mode, check ze tweets.

by Shield on Dec 4, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Woosh

Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.

by BlindSight on Dec 4, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

On the one hand, I would like pure honesty out of every member of the leafs organization. On the other hand, the resulting MSM and twitter controversy that would spread and be blown up out of proportion is the reason people speak in tired cliches and half truths.

Remember when we spoke about Franson on PPP for like a week when he said something honest like, “I’m disappointed about being bench?”

That’s the reason everyone lies.

Plus fuck Damien Cox.

I will stand beside him with an axe!

by theninjagreg on Dec 4, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

Were really good at making a gigantic controversy out of nothing. Such fanboys.

Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.

by BlindSight on Dec 4, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately this is true; more often than not, it does seem like athletes get criticized when they give honest answers. It absolutely forces them to revert to the tired cliches and boring answers.
I thought Franson’s response was refreshing; he didn’t strike me as whining, he was basically just angry about being benched and wanted to prove himself. GOOD! You’re SUPPOSED to be angry! Now go out there and kick some ass!
(which he didn’t, of course, but the sentiment at the time was admirable.)

Side note: I originally found this site directly because I was sick of Damien Cox and needed some alternative form of Leafs coverage.

by Matt97 on Dec 5, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

“Being benched”, not “being bench”. That’s a whole other philosophical probme.

I will stand beside him with an axe!

by theninjagreg on Dec 4, 2011 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

and reply play fail and spelling fail and I’m out.

I will stand beside him with an axe!

by theninjagreg on Dec 4, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I got your back man

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by sportsfan2 on Dec 4, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely Great New York Times Multi-Part Story & Video On Boogard started Today

If you can get behind the pay-wall, or access it otherwise, do so. Highly recommended. It has great story, interviews, video, Boogaard’s own notes on his upbringing and years with the Pats, pics, etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/sports/hockey/derek-boogaard-a-boy-learns-to-brawl.html

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/12/04/sports/hockey/boogaard-video.html#chapter/1

I shot a moose once, in upstate New York.

by not norm ullman on Dec 4, 2011 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

Tip for NYTimes if you’re over your limit: google the article title.

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by Nirbo on Dec 4, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yadda yadda yadda, something about a book being released.

RIP Former-and-forever Leaf Wade Belak
Me on Twitter

by Bower Power on Dec 4, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean this one from above?

Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.

by BlindSight on Dec 4, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He had his glove there, just misjudged the speed

Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.

by BlindSight on Dec 4, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Where did you get this gif? Did you make it? It’s so smooth..

I will stand beside him with an axe!

by theninjagreg on Dec 5, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

A commenter on SCoC posted it. He probably made it. Props to him.

Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.

by BlindSight on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

well the book is out on his glove hand

by Be26 on Dec 5, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Before we had internet, blogs and Twitter, we had a lot less competition for the dicks. Everyone got the newspaper and would just read it and say “What a dick!”

Now, we’ve got all this choice out there and, not surprisingly, we’re choosing not to read Cox, Berger, Simmons etc. If anything, this tells us there are more better choices out there.

And maybe, just maybe, Ron Wilson and Brian Burke are helping us find them (deliberately or not…)…

1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1

by LeafBoy on Dec 4, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian Burke chimes in...

https://twitter.com/#!/LeafsBB20

1/1/11: Saw the beginning of the Optimus Reim era. And it was glorious!!!1
Oh...and Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAYYYY!!!1

by LeafBoy on Dec 4, 2011 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

BB and RW now tag teaming Cox. Beauty

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Dec 5, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Leafs in NYC

Practising in Central Park

"They build a statue, they knock it down and piss on it, and now they will be out there building it again."

by ThickSkinnedAlive on Dec 5, 2011 12:04 AM EST reply actions  

DAMN IT

I totally would have taken the boy to see this. Blargh. Oh well. Next year (or the year after that… or some day, assuming they ever do this again.)

DAMN IT.

"To be a Leafs fan is to know your heart will be broken in the end."
–Seamus Borschevsky

by Berezin's Spleen on Dec 5, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Now I’m waiting for Rosie DiManno to wade in with 3,000 unresearched words on why Wilson owes Cox an apology, and then Simmons to re-post that.

by DrExcitement on Dec 5, 2011 2:49 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

You forgot melodramatic

by GettinGiggy on Dec 5, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

…and blatantly manipulative.

The ducks…were gone. Some say the ducks went to Canada. Others say, Toronto. And some people think that Joe used to sit down there, near those ducks. But it could be, that there’s just no room in this modern world, for an old man…and his ducks.

by Matt97 on Dec 5, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

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