Bon Voyage, François!
by JP Nikota on Feb 10, 2011 7:01 AM EST
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PrintIt's good to be back doing the FTBs. It's always nice to take a break, but I'd never want to miss out on Leaf action for too long. I've barely unpacked my bag from my vacation to Thailand, and François Beauchemin is already packing his for Anaheim.
Of course, there were plenty of other newsworthy items to run through the Twitter mill yesterday, including John Mitchell being placed on waivers, worry over Jonas Gustavsson's heart, a Chicago - Florida trade (the second trade of the day where a GM makes a deal with his former club), a brawl-ridden shootout in Boston, and the fact that Evgeni Malkin will miss the remainder of the season with knee problems requiring surgery. Oh, and the Sharks and Devils completed a minor trade.
Naturally, despite all this other action, all anyone really wants to write about is the Beauchemin deal. After going through quite a considerable number of reviews of said trade (man, oh man, there were a lot) , the one I found myself agreeing with most was from our friend mf37. Here are just a few tidbits from the article:
Lupul may be a top six player on the Leafs but this is more a testament of just how thin the Leafs top six is, than it is an indication of Lupul's so-called talent; I doubt Lupul pushes the 25 goal mark as many have suggested. He's only crested that mark twice in 6.5 seasons and it's rare for an oft-injured 28 year old to suddenly find a scoring touch; The Leafs' single biggest need remains finding a quality centre; The Leafs will need to fill-in the 24 minutes a night Beauchemin often played (could mean more Komisarek); The Leafs get an opportunity to see what they have in Aulie (not a bad thing, although with rookies, come rookie mistakes); The deal crates a long-term issue on D - with Kaberle's departure all but certain (either at the deadline or as a UFA), the Leafs are going to be down two veteran, minute eating d-men; The Leafs get younger by adding another prospect to their system; and By the time the Leafs are actually a competitive club playing meaningful post-season games, Gardiner could be an important part of this club. Lupul will likely be little more than an entry in the Leafs annual media guide.
Lots and lots of links after the jump, so enjoy!
Leaf-related (well, mostly just Beauchemin-related) Links:
Maple Leafs banking on Lupul rebound
An article from Mirtle. To me, it seems that they're banking much more seriously on this Gardiner kid, but no doubt we're all hoping for the best from Lupul.
Brian Burke gets a jump on the NHL trade deadline
"I always try to beat the trade deadline," he says.
Beauchemin Difficult To Replace, Aulie To Step Up
Burke said in his presser that he expects Aulie to see top-4 minutes. It'll be interesting to see how he fares.
Buyers and Sellers
Hockey Prospectus with Corey Pronman's take on the trade.
An article NOT about François Beauchemin
C'est incroyable! Michael Langlois over at VLM ponders the origins of the "can opener" move.
Lupul Traded to Leafs for Not Pronger
Jeffler at Leafs HQ gives us his two cents on the deal.
Other Stuff Happened!
Another article from Jeffler reminds us that Beauchemin's departure wasn't the only Leaf-related news to emerge yesterday. JFM was waived, for starters.
Quack Quack, Mr. Beauchemin
Karina with her take on the deal.
A Trip Down Memory Lane
Toronto Mike looks back on a story written following the signing of Beauchemin. "Clearly, Kaberle has played his last game for the Leafs." Saaad trumpet.
John F-ing Mitchell Finally F-ed
Mission Accomplished.
Time To Dissect The Trade
Jon S over at Puckin' Eh talks about the deal.
2/9: Marlies This Week at Maple Leafs Hot Stove
This was written to the blowout win against the Conneticut Wales, but it's still good to read about what else is up in Marlietown.
Toronto’s penalty killing unit has been solid through their first 51 games this season, ranking second in the AHL with an 87.1% success rate. The Marlies haven’t allowed a power play goal in eight straight games, killing off 29 straight penalties. They’ve allowed only four power play goals over their past 16 games (64-for-69).
Phil Kessel has a sad
More fan fiction from LD.
Other Hockey Links:
Balanced Zone Shift Leaders and Cabooses, 2007-08 to 2010-11
BN develops Balanced Zone Shift (BZS) by subtracting Expected Zone Shift from Actual Zone Shift. Zone Starts are starting to really mean something! Side note: I am shocked, SHOCKED, that Colton Orr does not fare well in this study.
Evgeni Malkin going under the knife
Pittsburgh Penguins forward to miss the rest of the season after knee surgery Thursday. Ouch, Kibibble!
Blackhawks acquire Michael Frolik
Most of us are already aware of this trade, but here's a link just in case.
Quebec City, province sideline Ottawa in arena-funding plan
The municipal QC government has teamed up with the provincial government to meet private investors halfway on the $400M project. The Feds may not be contributing at all, anymore.
The Tortoise and the Tortoises
Scott Reynolds at the Copper & Blue looks at which team is likely to finish last overall this year. Pretty much the only reason I'm linking this is to point out that we're not in this race!
How hockey player soundbites are interpreted around the league
From The Active Stick.
Puck Headlines
Puck Daddy with notes from around the league.
Wednesday night's alright for a fight
Videos from the Habs-Bruins game via Puck Daddy.
Forsberg expected to play later this week
More trouble getting a visa. I'm still struggling to understand how this is medically possible. Has anyone checked if cyborgs are even permitted to play?
Sharks, Devils deal minor leaguers
Well, OK, it's not big news, but a trade's a trade.
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Good luck Beauch! I loved Karina’s piece. Concise and to the point.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 7:07 AM EST reply actions
Also, that Chicago deal was intriguing. Frolik could easily develop into a top line NHL forward. He’s already a legitimate top six guy at just 22 years of age. Tons of talent. Plus they get Salak. Very very good deal for the Blackhawks.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 7:11 AM EST up reply actions
Burke's next move
It has to be another quantity for quality deal a la Versteeg, right? At present our forward depth chart for current “top 9” guys currently includes 8 guys in roughly this order:
Grabbo
Kessel
Kulemin
MacArthur
Versteeg
Lupul
Bozak
Armstrong
All of these guys are either signed or under team control through at least 2012. And no, I don’t think Brown, Boyce, Crabb, Sjostrom, Brent etc. are legit Top 9 guys on a good team so they don’t count.
In the system, potential Top 9 guys include Kadri, Mueller, D’Amigo, Caputi, McKegg and if you want to be generous, Nicholls and Hanson.
So that’s somewhere between 13 and 15 guys with Top 9 potential. It would seem logical to package roster players and prospects to get a potential Top 3 guy. The trick of course is finding a dance partner for such a deal. But Burke seems well positioned to do so from the Leafs side.
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Burke said yesterday Versteeg isn’t on the market. For whatever it’s worth.
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That mean’s he’s not shopping him. He was never shopping him, but then steeg went like 30 points in 33 games, and suddenly contenders wanted him.
Everyone should be available for the right return, and he’s lad lots of calls apparently.
Yeah, as people mentioned on Twitter the Leafs’ list of untouchables should basically be Kessel, Schenn and maybe Kulemin. Full stop.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
It would take an awful lot to make me give up Kulemin at this point.
He is about to enter his athletic prime (that mid 20s range), and he’s finishing up his 3rd full season in the league (the 4th is typically when a forward starts to reach their peak)
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Yeah, to me the only untouchables are Top 3 Fs and Top 2 Ds, since they’re so fricking hard to get. Kessel fits the bill, Schenn likely will, and Kulemin could. Hence, my list.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty much. But at the same time those are also really the only type of players it would make sense to trade for unless you’re getting someone who is younger or draft picks back. I feel like the way I worded that makes no sense. Just trying to say that the guys in your bottom six are replacement level/template guys and you should be looking to get them as cheap as possible. Moving Night Moves for anything but top line talent doesn’t really make sense (not that he could get that alone but you get the gist of what I’m saying, hopefully)
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Kuli love is right. He’s the player I’d have most trouble parting with… Probably my favorite Leaf right now besides Schenn.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Grabovski would take a huge deal for us to give up, IMO.
And because of his chemistry with Kulemin, I’d keep that lovable human goldfish around for as long as i can.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 10, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully this is exactly what they’re thinking.
Also, no need to be generous. Hanson won’t be top 9. Can’t speak of Nicholls
Am I crazy?
I can see Hanson become 10-15 G scorer, 30-35 point player (sound like Army?). That is a 3rd line forward….
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
I’d like to hear from some people who have watched the Marlies. I really hope he can be a #3C too. No need to rush him, maybe in 2-3 years he can be a better Darryl Boyce.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I just think grinders can mature later. Like Boyce.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Hanson has also apparently become one mean SOB this year
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Me likey.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 10, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
What struck me as so bizzare was that Burke was so forward in forecasting this deal. At first it was “there will definitely be a trade soon,” then it seems that he’s said there will likely be a deal today. Seems unheard of for Burke – to promise a hard, fixed event to the press like that.
Just to take a wild guess, I think it’s either Giguere moving, or it’s a significant roster player coming back. Anything else, and I think he’s more vague to the press – “we’ll be listening to trade options,” “we’re still working,” “we’ll be looking at things going forwards.”
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I was thinking about this too. My thought is (I haven’t finished reading this thread yet so if the news has already broken, I’ll look like an idiot) that there are actually a number of trades on the stove, some for the same player, and he’s using the media as a public ultimatum to play off the offers against each other. By essentially announcing a soft deadline, he’s forcing people to up their offers if they want to be the winner.
President of the Emotional Hedging club.
He’s flopped, saying that nothing is imminent on the Leafs trade front.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
versteeg rumours
keep sticking around and to me, the only way it makes sense to trade a 24 year old, 25-goal man who’s locked in to reasonable money is if there’s a really big fish coming in.
Any 1 for 1 deal for Versteeg would only bring in a player similar to him. So if he’s going, I’m guessing he’s packaged with prospects and spare parts for big money.
Something like Versteeg, a prospect who isn’t Kadri, a pick and an NHL plugger for an NHL centre. That’s the only Versteeg trade i see that makes any sense. But that said, I doubt it will happen.
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I’d trade Kadri and Versteeg for a #1C and not think twice.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
For a legit #1C? Every day of the week. I don’t see any legitimate chance of Kadri being more than a #2C.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
i like my centres big
so in my head, Kadri gets converted to the wing at some point soon.
I think the kid has offensive upside, but I’m having a hard time projecting him as that dominant #1C for years to come
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I’m not sure the Leafs know what to do with Kadri. He’s played center, over to left wing, back to center, back to wing…..they need to pick a position and let him develop.
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I got lost in that comment just thinking, HOLDS IT!!!! HOLDS IT!!!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
as long as he creates offense
i don’t care much where he plays. But we really need somebody that can generate goals in some capacity.
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Being big means not a whole lot if you bring other things to the table, mainly grit and effort. And Kadri has those in spades.
Give him some time, he could very well turn out to be a prototype of Briere. Not a “dominant #1”, but a very valuable, very productive heart and soul player with the ability to shift between wing and C.
Truculligerestosterugnacity.
It depends if you’re talking about a #1C, or a C for our Top line. I know we confuse PPG with #1, but I don’t want to trade those two if we’re not getting a PPG center (or close.. obviously Richards, Toews, Koivu, Kopitar, Backstrom count). If they’re going to be a 60-70 point guy? Not happy. They have to be able to break the barrier.
I’m talking about a guy with Richards/Toews/Koivu/Kopitar/Backstrom potential. A potential Top 10 centre.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
The kind of center that wins Stanley Cups.
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Ding. Ding. Ding.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I can haz Kopitar?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
sigh
when’s the last time the Leafs had a home-grown #1C who at least deserved to be in the conversation of “best in the league”? Jesus, i think it was Sittler.
I miss Mats Sundin
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Mats could have been in that conversation. He never was because of Sakic/Yzerman guys, but he was always up there. Scary good
yup
definitely the most talented Leaf I’ve ever seen. I think his stats suffered because his prime years had shitty linemates, and Quinn gave him way less ice time than he deserved because he liked to roll at least 3 lines.
But man, what a player. Still PPG over his career even despite all that, and he played in the trap era
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With no other stars to think of. Look at who Sakic and Forsberg had to feed / receive passes from. Sure, he had Mogilny briefly, and Tucker-esque guys are okay, but…. no stars
Sundin’s best year.. 1992/1993, he played on the Nordiques, who had Sakic, Duchense, Nolan, Ricci.
Sundin: 47+67=114
Sakic: 48+57=105
Sakic eclipsed that total later on, in 1995/1996, but he had Forsberg & Lemieux, and had:
51+69=120 (Forsberg had 30+86=116)
and 2000/2001 with Forsberg, Hedjuk, Drury, Bourque, Tanguay
54+64=118
Yep. 1992-93 was firewagon hockey. Sundin joined the Leafs during the dead puck era, and his linemates after the lockout were just terrible. No chance he’d get even close to that season.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 10, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
You wouldn’t trade Kadri and Steeg for Thornton? The guy who is like #3 in points over the last decade? The huge top line center? I wouldn’t blink
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think you're being a bit harsh, here.
I’m well aware of the fact that Kadri will likely max out as a 60-point player, but I still think he stands a decent chance of doing better.
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Hope you’re right.
Mirtle thinks he tops out at 50 points.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
When did Kadri become a maxed out at 50 guy?
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying that, I’m just saying if Las Vegas were making book on this you’d get some looooong odds on Kadri consistently being above 60 pts.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Well his junior numbers are right on par with Matt Stajan, so topping out at 55 points isn’t off-base. I do think that he has much better hands than Stajan, however, and perhaps the point totals look a little different since it was a different era of hockey.
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Of note, Kadri was pretty much carrying the Knights in his last season there.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Call me an idiot but this kid could someday be a 70 point player… Unlimited offensive flair, good creativity… His strength is something he’ll work on and an attribute that will become better when he sees how hard he has to work on a nightly basis in the NHL.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not a ridiculous statement to say that you believe Kadri has the potential to be a 70-point guy.
A little homerism is perfectly acceptable around here.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
As long as it’s a little. ;)
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
Do you know how many NHLers put up 70 points a season?
About 30.
Datsyuk had 70 points last season in 80GP. I don’t see Kadri every being in that stratosphere.
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His junior numbers project to about a 60-point guy, if I’m recalling correctly. A 10-point jump from there isn’t inconceivable.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
We haven’t seen Kadri do a whole lot of anything yet, good or bad. What’s the rush to pinpoint his future stats?
Even if he ends up with around 60 points a la Matt Stajan, to me it’s the WAY he scores those points that makes the difference. Kadri has electrifying talent. He may never be consistently good enough to score 80 or 90, but when he makes something happen he brings the fans to their feet. If he turns out to be a 60 point 2nd liner with gamebreaking ability, we’ll all love the shit out of him.
Truculligerestosterugnacity.
The rush to pinpoint his ceiling? Well, I think it goes without saying that this organization is putting a lot of stock in Kadri. They’d better feel confident that he’s going to put up decent numbers.
Also, sorry, the way a player scores points is worth almost zero. I don’t care if a player puts in every single goal off his ass if he can notch 30 in a year.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Arguably, if a player can notch 30 that way in a single year, I’d be more likely to watch.
Colton Orr: 1 down, 29 to go.
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I’m sure the organization does believe he’ll put up decent numbers, as they should. No good reason not to.
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I was referring to goals off the derriere, actually.
Realistically, points are points, and they’re great to have any way you can get them.
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With the right complimentary players on his line, who knows. Basically, what I’m saying here is with a kid like Kadri it’s tough to project. He’s the type of kid that could kill it in the NHL if he gets it. If he doesn’t he could be a 45 point guy. That’s what sucks about projecting him.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting to note that Burke probably has enough young assets to make a run at a #1 center this summer if he so chooses.
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It will have to be a trade since as we all know, the UFA crop this year is not great.
You know what’s even sadder? Next year’s list: http://capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2012&team_id=-1&position_id=F&fa_type_id=2
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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
2013 OR BUST!
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
That what I mean. He likely has enough young assets to make a deal for a #1 c
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
quantity for quality is the way it’s going to happen, then, yes. I still think we’re banking on some GM going crazy and selling a dollar for three quarters.
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Yeah, I’m hoping he can pull of a Kevin Garnett type deal. A second tier guy (Al Jefferson = Versteeg? MacArthur?) plus a pu pu platter of prospects and roster guys for a big kahuna.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
i'd be inclined to agree
but not sure Burke does.
I’m just saying, the only way trading Versteeg makes sense is in a package for a #1C. He makes enough money to even it out a bit, and he has enough offense that it wouldn’t just be a salary dump.
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Versteeg + Kadri for No1 Centre
That is a short enough list of guys that you can list the actual guys you have in mind:
B Richards? Wouldn’t do it, too old
Thornton? No. Maybe a few years ago, but not where we are right now.
Kopitar? I could get behind this. He is young enough and good enough that we could build around him.
Datsuyk / Zetterberg? Okay, but they might be too old anyway.
M Richards / Carter / Giroux / Briere (wow… holy depth Philly)? Giroux or Richards okay. Not for Carter or Briere.
Kesler / Sedins? Okay to any of these. Though i would prefer Kesler (unless you get both Sedins). Age might be an issue with the Sedins though.
Spezza? Not for that price.
Toews or Kane? Toews definitley. Kane… maybe, I just wonder how good he would be as the No1 guy on a weaker team.
Sid? Duh.
Geno? May never be the same again.
Getz? Okay.
So Kopitar / M Richards / Giroux / Toews / Kesler / Getz / Sid / Stamkos. I’d also consider Ericcson. I miss anybody? And which of those guys are actually acquireable for any price?
I don’t think you’re getting any of those established guys. It would have to be someone with potential to blossom into that. I don’t know prospects around the league well enough to know who that is but a B. Schenn type comes to mind just because we talk about him so much.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
i wouldn't be surprised to see Spezza move somewhere
Things are about to get ugly in Ottawa and it wouldn’t surprise me to see some crazy trade to move Spezza.
I may be in the minority, but I wouldn’t mind Spezza as a Leaf. Put him with Kessel and a Kulemin type who can do the dirty work for that line (like Alfredsson did) and that’s a line that can put up points.
That’s a hell of a lot of money though…
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For secrecy sake we should call him Brayden S.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
And to be clear, I am not saying Kadri + Versteeg would be enough to land B. Schenn.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
think that would actually be worth it?
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
me neither, just throwin it out there
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I am not saying Kadri + Versteeg would be enough to land B. Schenn
Seriously? I sure hope you guys are joking. I think you’re all drinking/smoking too much something and its making you guys nuts if youre not…
Seriously, who in the hockey world would trade a perennial 20+ 24yr old goal scorer and a top prospect for who and 5th pick overall who has done fuck all in the NHL? Seriously. Yes he has character, yes he is Schenn’s brother and has all the attributes of becoming a good player, will he? I think as much as Kadri does but since we have seen Kadri play here many of us very knowledgable fans say otherwise.
Like I said before, Leafs fan base has very little patience and either over rate some players when they preform well but not well enough that actually worthy of said praise or flat out dismiss players because they did not meet the rabid fan base’s expectations that said player was supposed to be a star. There is no middle ground or if there is that plot of land is shrinking as the team performance continues to suck as it should at times during a rebuild.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
Sheesh, calm down people. I’m not saying they would be enough or that B. Schenn would be enough. I hate to engage in trade speculation and just wanted to make it clear I wasn’t doing so; speaking hypothetically only.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously?
I would believe that would be plenty enough to land B Schenn I would even be inclined to ask for a late round pick with him.
by schennsational on Feb 10, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Get back to me when he, first plays in the NHL as a regular and second, starts putting up points and scoring goals with regularity. He look great as a Jr. but that’s all for now. No one in the game would make that trade, not here not even with JFJ.
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why do we need another 2C?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Because Hodgson has 1C potential
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really? more than Kadri? their Jr numbers are similar and kadri is straight up murdering cody’s AHL totals, not to mention the injuries
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I will agree with you on that one.
Sorry, I’m just a huge fan of Hodgson
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hodgson is actually the same height as Kadri, but he is also older, so he has had an extra year to add bulk
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Even though Kadri got “knocked around” during his call-up, he’s not like a Gionta or a Tyler Ennis size. He’s 6’0", hopefully he fills out so that he’s comfortably somewhere in that 185-190lb range. Perfectly adequate for a player as shifty as him.
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Kadri’s issues with being knocked around have a bunch to do with his skating style and stance, he also isnt very aware of how to take a hit from someone bigger than him
Hodgson (and the like) have a low wide stance that makes them harder to knock down, but also less agile and quick, im sure it will come
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
was hearing something a while ago about how Kadri lost some of his speed and agility due to his increased muscle mass over the summer
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
yup, its only natural, you dont throw on 10-15lbs in a year and not lose any speed
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
yea, and your body would have to adjust to its new found mass.
I really hope he finds a nice comfort zone this off season with his training and blows us away next training camp
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
That’s mostly fallacy though. It’s how you train and where the muscle mass is going. In Kadri’s case, he needed to first put the weight on upper body wise – hence less speed.
Look at running backs as an example – they use explosive anaerobic training that mimics the actions of their sport to add muscle to their lower bodies. Helps gain speed and agility while also gaining strength. This is pretty much the Gary Roberts school of conditioning
by Neale's Harry on Feb 10, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Kadri needed to put weight on all over, he was a stick when the Leafs drafted him
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
that Junior interview they had when he got the call and had no shirt on. The kid had a body of a 15 year old.
by Neale's Harry on Feb 10, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
It’s probably largely mental too, adjusting to bulk. You see it a lot in younger kids who are good at sports. They hit puberty, bulk up and have a couple awkward seasons while they adjust.
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yea, this is what i was thinking he was dealing with
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
This is exactly what i thought would happen to Kadri after he put on 10 pounds for training camp, he wouldn’t look like that exciting player we saw the first year. He is putting up a point per game on the Marlies, thats pretty damn good for a first year pro who is still adjusting to his new weight. At this point i wouldn’t trade Kadri for anything right now, we have to see where his development goes.
by pho king awesome on Feb 10, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
me too, despite the hate on I have for the canucks hype train on the kid, he is a solid hockey player who will probably be a good NHL player
I just don’t see how trading kadri for him is anything but a sideways move at best
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Reason being, we’re not really a competitive team that would benefit that much from a top line C right now… If we had a legitimate shot of competing in the playoffs then yes.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
counterpoint
he’s 27 years old. that’s not over the hill!
before this horrific season, he had 475 point in 464 NHL games.
He is paid a lot of money and we hate him because he’s a Senator — and he has huge flaws in his game — but he is a PPG player and they don’t grow on trees.
He puts point on the board. He’s a pass-first, big body centre. I would absolutely make that deal, but only as a pure salary dump. The Leafs cupboard of scoring prospects can’t be made more barren as a result.
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Ok I’ll do this. When do you see us taking a shot at the Cup, or even playoffs for that matter? Even with other deals on the horizon I don’t think we’re a lock to make it next year. So, on one side you have Spezza’s deal which can only come to fruition when we come close to being a competitive team, and a guy who’ll most likely be ripe in exactly the right time and who still has potential to maybe become better than Spezza in the long run which could bite us in the ass big time… Also, don’t forget you take on a cap hit of 7 mil.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
depending what happens this offseason
i see the Leafs in a dogfight for 8th next year. First round exit at best, and that’s if everyone progresses and the ?s are answered in net and on the top line.
Realistically, the earliest they’d be contending for the top of the division or better is in the last 2 years of Kessel’s deal (12/13 and 13/14)
Coincidentally, that’s when Spezza’s deal expires too. I don’t think it would happen, but of all the guys on that list, I think Spezza is more likely to be available just due to circumstances in Ottawa.
Like I said, I have no problem adding Spezza’s on-ice contributions to this team. Even at his $. The only issue is whether it can be done without depleting our non-financial assets enough to negate his impact.
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“Like I said, I have no problem adding Spezza’s on-ice contributions to this team. Even at his $. The only issue is whether it can be done without depleting our non-financial assets enough to negate his impact.”
Yes. I agree with this, but not knowing what Kadri can do it’s still early for that kind of a deal in my book… Spezza is good, but we don’t have to add him by parting with our best prospect.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
yup
I do this deal only if it can be done without jettisoning any premier young talent.
The only way it works if it’s one of those quantity for quality trades (like the Thornton trade, or to a lesser extent, what we paid for Phaneuf)
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i’d do Kadri for Spezza straight up. I’d just prefer to not have to…
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he’s the kid they wanted, afterall.
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by thenumber14 on Feb 10, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Is that the kid you want?
Boom, we’re taking him
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really see any team winning the Cup with Spezza as their #1C making $7.5 million dollars? It’s not just that we hate Spezza because he’s a Senator. He tons of points back in Ottawa’s heyday when they were a legitimately stacked team. And they couldn’t get it done back then.
Jason Spezza is a bitch. He’s a PPG center in the regular season and a choke artist in the playoffs. We’ve all seen that first hand. For all his talent and all the years he’s played for the Sens, he doesn’t even wear a letter. In Ottawa. What does that tell you? And he has a stupid fucking laugh. Forget about him, let Ottawa give him away for Cheechoo 2.0.
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What a playoff choker, his ppg is only slightly HIGHER in the playoffs than RS.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck’s an RS?
I’ll admit my anti-Senator bias, but this is one of the rare situations where I don’t care that he’s a PPG in the playoffs. The Leafs should be using what assets they have to land a character guy who also puts up numbers. To me, Spezza is closer to the Kessel mould. Great scorer, but don’t put a letter anywhere near him. No team will ever win anything with him at this point unless he’s riding piggyback on another superstar IMO.
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I don’t care that he’s a PPG in the playoffs
That pretty much sums your position up.
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My position is:
Jason Spezza in the playoffs: 46GP, 46P
Brad Richards in the playoffs: 63GP, 62P
Just grabbed Richards as an example off the top of my head. Almost identical playoff performers. Who would you rather have?
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My three concerns with Spezza would be A, the contract, B, trading within the division, and C, as I believe DGB said, “he’s got the highest injury count of anyone not dubbed injury prone.” However, he’s a PPG player, and I would almost never shake a stick at that.
Regardless, it’s a moot point.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Point per game, younger than Richards, likely cheaper than 2011 UFA Richards…
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Use Kadri to land a character guy?
pass.
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Fuck’s an RS?
…?
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At first I thought Chemmy was referring to another player with an acronym RS, then I figured it out. Derp. Not. Enough. Coffee.
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I thought he was talking about an Audi
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 10, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
What do I have to do with this? I’ve never used that acronym on this page and wasn’t part of this discussion.
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i probably would
but i’m probably a bad GM
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by pevans on Feb 10, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you serious on this?
You WAY over value our players. That is not even NEARLY enough for Kopitar (who ain’t moving). Or enough for Thorton, Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Kesler, etc. The only guy on that list who we may be offering enough for is Spezza…
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yup.
absolutely nobody on that list is getting traded, to us or anyone.
the way these guys become available is when a team is going into a rebuild, but has a good expensive guy in his prime who wont be in his prime anymore when the team is good again. Sounds like Ottawa to me, and even that’s unlikely.
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Oh I am SERIOUS! and don't call me Shirley!
Look at the end of that post
And which of those guys are actually acquireable for any price?
That was a rhetorical question.
Good list, but I’d add Backstrom (WSH) to the list.
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 10, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
i’m confused….is this list titled “guys who will never play for the Leafs”?
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by birky on Feb 10, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I’d go with “Who are people who have never been in my mother’s kitchen?”.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I’m confused, what if we hold on to our good young assets and acquire more good young assets instead of taking runs at guys who have a year or two left in their prime?
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If they’re over 25: pass.
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27’s still good in my book, but my book might not be the bible.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’d like the Leafs to be competitive in 2015. Grabbing a 27 year old to anchor our first line now means he’ll be 30 or 31 then.
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More importantly we don’t need stars in their prime right now to fuck our draft pick for no reason. Play kids who are ready for NHL time and we’ll bulk up with UFAs when the time is right.
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Is this the right strategy? Yes.
Will Burke pursue it? No.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I’m a little hurt that no one liked my Naughty by Nature joke.
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I don’t even really know who that is. The name is vaguely familiar, but that’s it.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
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I was so ignorant of hip-hop in high school that when I heard that song I was confused why they were rapping about the Ontario Provincial Police.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, they’re not?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I’m a little hurt no one liked my Cheers reference.
Now get offa my lawn you damn kids.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
You should have showed up to PPP Late Night yesterday.
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Cliffie was the best.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think Burke loves 27 right now. You know that whole keeping us competitive while getting younger stuff.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
That’s sensible enough. Agreed.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I like this rule.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
$%&!!@!
Do you guys read the posts?
And which of those guys are actually acquireable for any price?
That was a rhetorical question man, I am well aware of the answer. I was responding to “I’d trade Steeg + Kadri for a No 1 centre”. So there are a bunch of No 1 centres. Leaving off the one’s who are too old, I came up with a list of No 1 centres I’d trade Kadri = Versteeg for. And, right at the end I pointed out that none of those guys are availabe. At any price.
Hey HFBoards, we’re not getting any of those guys.
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Hey “doesn’t blog much” we don’t want any of those guys.
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:(
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
But who would do this deal? The only NHL teams with such depth of top centers include:
Pittsburgh
Vancouver
Philadelphia
Boston?
(let me know if there are more)
The only team of those I can see making a deal would be Philly… do we get Carter?
I think it would have to be more for a prospect.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Kaberle for Carter and a 1st!
and a time machine?
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I believe Kadri and Mueller will get their opportunity next year with the Leafs. They’ve earned it with strong play in the AHL.
Nicholls and McKegg aren’t ready and I don’t see any reason to rush them. I think both will be back in the CHL next season.
I’m glad D’Amigo is finding his offensive game in the OHL right now, but if we are projecting him into a Top 9 role he needs more time in the AHL to find his offence there. With less guys like Zigomanis, Cowan and Crabb taking up forward slots he’ll have an opportunity to be a top 6 guy on the Marlies next season.
That leaves Hanson and Caputi in no mans land. Again.
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I was looking more at 2012. All I want next year is a high pick.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Hasn’t he played too many games in his NHL career so far to be considered for the Calder?
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Nope
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It’s 25 in one season, or two seasons in a row with at least 6.
Neither of which he’s done.
He has played enough to burn a year of ELC though, but I don’t really care about that if he’s developing
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
As long as he’s not in the O he’s burning ELC.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 10, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
That is some seriously shitty news for the Penguins. Hell, for hockey fans in general, it sucks when a heavyweight contender gets derailed by injuries. Was looking forward to the Penguins playoff run, they made the East real interesting.
Also, I’m a big fan of Geno. When he is on his game he is practically unstoppable (a la his Conn Smythe performance). I guess this is the risk you run when you have a top heavy cap structure like the Penguins do.
I wonder: Could they conceivably use Geno’s LTIR to acquire Iginla? Might not be a good idea, even if they can.
Iginla’s not a UFA, so they would have to figure out what to do with that salary next year.
I would pursue Iginla hard if I was Penguins. It sucks that they lost Geno but when you have Crosby on your team (and coming back) you can’t waste a year.
I was just thinking the other day that the pens are so good. Even without their stars, they plug their way through wins. Pretty sure it has a lot to do with coaching.
As a future denizen of Madison, WI
I’m excited that the Leafs have one of the better Wisconsin Badgers in their system. I’m going to try to get to catch some of their playoff games this year so I can see this kid in action.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 9:04 AM EST reply actions
By my calculations, after re-signing RFAs and even signing a UFA dman to a $3m per year deal, they should have about $6.7m to play with this summer. Makes me wonder if Burke is going after a goalie in July.
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Might hit UFA, won’t hit UFA, won’t hit UFA.
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Vokoun is likely to hit UFA because he’s in Florida. If he wants a playoff contender, he’s gotta move. That said, he seems to like Florida for some reason, so maybe he takes the extension.
Bryzgalov is not only on a playoff contender, but has made a habit of carrying that team to 1-goal wins. They cannot afford to try and find a new guy. Vokoun is considerably more likely to hit UFA than Bryzgalov.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I worked it out to $6.2MM with a static salary cap (unlikely). If he doesn’t pursue Richards I’m worried about where he may spend that money.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
He has to know now that failing to grab a #1C has hurt the team a lot. One has to think he takes a hard run at Richards.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
I can’t make up my mind on whether Richards would be a good thing. Given that it would take probably 5 yrs, $30MM minimum, I’m inclined to say it’s a bad idea.
In all likelihood it’s moot though.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
As I’ve said before, I’d want a lot of research done on the aging curves of moderately sized, defensively weak, pass-first 31 year old centres before I signed that deal. And I’d want to know a whole lot about Richards’ personality, motivation, ambition, drive, etc.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
skinny and I kind of looked into this, and they don’t age that well.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Not surprised.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
The only guys who were PPG players between 29 and 31 who were still PPG players in at least one season when they were 34+ are HHOFers like Gretzky, Lemieux, Sakic, Yzerman, Hull, Selanne, etc… Richards though will probably do the same.
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I also suspect Teemu Selanne is a bit of an outlier, because he’s STILL a ppg player. On the second line, at age 40.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Was my second favorite player behind Yzerman growing up. I had a signed Selanne rookie card that I lost somewhere through the years. :(
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That sucks, dude.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
In like 2nd or 3rd grade we had this project where we were to mail a letter to a favorite athlete and see if they would write back. I had the card and mailed it to him. He mailed it back signed. It was awesome. Somehow I lost that but still have my Pat Jablonski St. Louis Blues autographed card.
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Oh so we do have a lot in common…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
addendum for sleza
Teemu will never, ever retire and will continue to be awesome until the end of time.
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That description sounds a lot like Marc Savard
BS
by MapleLeafMole on Feb 10, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Marc :(
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
God I hope not. All UFAs are gambles and nothing is less of a sure thing than goalies.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
For those of you...
….who haven’t had your fill of Beauchemin trade analysis, I have a post up at MLHS about it.
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I’m sure they’re as shocked as anyone.
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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
that’s like me and guns and ammo, no one knows I write for them.
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wait what?
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Jared…
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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these cease and desist letters are starting to pile up
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome
Thanks for joining. The original link you sent me was broken!
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Wrote a little more about Beauchemin: http://theleafsnation.com/2011/2/9/beauchemin-traded-what-does-this-mean-whats-next
At even strength Beauchemin leads the team in both quality of competition and time on ice. Jake Gardiner is third in points on a loaded Wisconsin team in the WCHA… from the blueline. Joffrey Lupul is a salary dump with considerably more upside than running out Joey Crabb. So why should you, Joe Leafs Fan (an amusing construct I will use from now on that is in no way a cheap straw man and rhetorical trampoline) care about this?
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by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I like the use of the word trampoline. Trampolines are really fun and definitely don’t come on this site enough
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
that was one of my favourite moments in the last few seasons.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
loved that
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Tomas Kaberle wearing the A tonight.
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Indicative or not?
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
According to @thatchaddude, the “A” is for “Available”.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, pretty much the least controversial thing to do at this point.
Give it to someone new and there’ll be a whole big to-do about it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly, term and experience more that anything…
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Mentioned this to Chemmy on Twitter, but Lupul’s not just a toss in here. He’s the team’s second-highest paid forward and is going to be given considerable minutes. The team’s ability to win near term relies on him, especially if (as expected) Versteeg is traded.
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That he’s getting top six minutes speaks directly to how poor the Leafs are up front. Lupul’s a throw in to make salary work on this deal and he’s also better than Joey Crabb.
Lupul will absolutely not be a contributor on a winning Leafs team.
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He’s oft injured, expensive, and crummy. Fans of every team he’s played for hate him.
No, it’s not.
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Not saying I disagree, but careful with this:
Fans of every team he’s played for hate him
Because you and I both know that description fits for #81 in blue right now, and I do NOT think the book is closed on him yet.
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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
You hate Phil Kessel?
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by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 10, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
No. But a broad survey of “Leaf fans” (self-identified) would tell you – too frequently to even seriously contemplate – that he’s a complete failure who can’t be counted on to score and who’s the laughingstock of the NHL on account of he’s so terrible that he got picked LAST AT THE ALLSTAR GAME OMG LOLZ.
Remember: many, many, many “fans” of pretty much any team anywhere are complete dicks who haven’t got the first clue what they’re talking about. At least most of the people around here can be counted on to have watched the games (a necessary, but not sufficient condition for expressing an informed opinion, in my estimation). There are oodles of people out there who just parrot back whatever they read in the paper or – shudder – heard on talk radio.
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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Fanbases aren’t homogenous. Picking and choosing the worst fans to make an argument is absurd.
Guess what: most people are dumb. Something like half of the population of North America believes in angels. With little wings. Who fly down and help us out.
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Haha, that’s ridiculous. Now where did I put my e-meter? I need to check my thetan level.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Tide goes in Tide goes out. You can’t explain that.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Fucking magnets. How do they work
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
How’d the moon get dere? Huh smart guy?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Think about how dumb the average person is. Half the world is dumber.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
And that half always remembers to vote.
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Frankly, I’ve never found voting to be an important part of the process.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Question….if I live outside of Canada, but am a Canadian citizen, can I still vote in Canadian elections?
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Yes
You have to go to a local consulate probably or do it via mail but for sure you can.
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Your vote won’t count, though, same as the rest of us. Never stops me…
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by Back In Black on Feb 10, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Anyhow I’m going to get nasty on that guy bruce_arthur retweeted about “De Nile” being a river in Toronto.
Dude’s getting a doctorate in theology. He’d know an awful lot about denial from where I’m sitting.
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Dude’s getting a doctorate in theology. He’d know an awful lot about denial from where I’m sitting.
That’s 2 religion jokes. Let’s stick to hockey
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Probably a good idea since I already made four bad jokes in my head.
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Picking and choosing the worst fans to make an argument is absurd.
Strongly agree. That was my point about your original post. Because most fans are people, and most people are dumb, most fans are dumb. Relying therefore, on what fans of the teams “X” has played for to make your argument is dangerous. I don’t care if “Oilers fans” or “Ducks fans” (which has to mean “most Oilers fans” or “most Ducks fans”, precisely because fanbases aren’t homogenous) think.
I do care what some of those fans – the ones whose opinion I value – believe.
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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oh. Well mc79 is the Oilers fan who hates Lupul.
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I know, I’ve read some of his stuff on Lupul. Not very encouraging at all.
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I agree
I was just ribbing you.
I know that very well because every time I meet someone that learns about PPP I have to hear their stupid talk about the Leafs.
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Understood. I have to hear it from my chucklehead co-workers every day.
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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
No faith in a bounce-back?
From my YouTube research I’ve seen plenty of positive comments about him – now I think those were from Philly fans so take them with a grain of salt, but I’m hoping he comes in with something to prove like Macarthur. Remember the book on Macarthur?
I think YouTube is technically the best kind of research.
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incorrect.
TSN comments, HFBoards THEN Youtube
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Incorrect.
HockeyBuzz, TSN comments, HFBoards THEN Youtube.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Good call.
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I’m not researching advanced metrics or how many times he horks on the bench here, my point was that there are fans of the guy out there.
I believe his horks per time on bench as at an average of 4.6 right now. That is about average for an NHL forward.
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by thenumber14 on Feb 10, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
but worse then Hockeybuzz commenters?
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by thenumber14 on Feb 10, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
HockeyBuzz has a handy $20/year option to self-identify as a complete rube, you can’t discount that when discussing research opportunities.
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MacArthur has been a revelation and a big part of that, in his opinion, is settled linemates and constant support and opportunity.
The other thing is that MacArthur is in a contract year and 4 years younger than Lupul. The older a player gets the less likely the light is going to turn on.
Lupul will probably hit 20 goals next year but I bet people hate the shit out of him.
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I expect Lupul will have at least one rediculously overperforming Jason-Blake like season before his contract is up.
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but I bet people hate the shit out of him.
That is a given
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on second thought, I will wait until Leafer picks a side. At which point I will pick the opposite side.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I will wait to watch a few games before I decide
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Lame
I start hating players before it’s cool to hate them.
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You’re a hockey hipster.
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YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
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NEVER!!
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He’s not a Penguins Capitals Blackhawks fan, though?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I mean serious hate not the run of the mill “God I hate the Leafs so much…what time is the game tonight? Ok, let me change my plans.”
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Fuck off I started the Lupul blows train and it’s arriving at the station when today’s game preview goes up.
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So you’re the conductor?
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You would
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No I’m like the CEO of the train company. You’re the conductor of the train.
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
people will be calling him Lupus and shit…
by Kessel'sOversizedSuit on Feb 10, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Dare to dream
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Lupul averages 22 goals per 82 games played.
He also averages 60 games played per season which means in a season he’ll score about 15. 15 goals is his upside. He’s old, expensive, and injury prone.
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This GP average is unfair
I am going to make a fanpost/shot to describe this soon.
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How is it unfair? He misses about 20 games a season. He already missed 20 games this season.
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Because its based on an outlier
Without the one season of his back injury he has played an average of 74.4 games. With it 65.83. One injury caused him to miss a lot of games. That doesn’t necessarily make him injury prone. As well the blood infection is a freak infection and shouldn’t be used to call him injury prone.
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It’s not an ignorable outlier, but based on available evidence, it’s not likely to be a recurring factor.
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Two years younger. They played on the same line in the WHL.
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by James Mirtle on Feb 10, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
We knew Burke taking on salary in exchange for a pick or good prospect was likely. Better Lupul than someone like Rolston.
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Better Lupul than someone likeRolstonRedden.
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Lupul would play the top six on a lot of teams that don’t have CoreyPerry, Ryan, and Selanne in front of them at right wing. (Though i think Perry is LW this year)
However, considering he gets traded so much, there’s obviously something wrong with him (and probably not just rare blood infections)
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Bobby Ryan and Corey Perry play on the same line.
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They’re all listed at right wing, though.
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What’s important is that he’s not getting any minutes from the Finnish Flash.
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Clearly Lupul isn’t third on the RW depth chart if two of the players ahead of him PLAY ON THE SAME LINE.
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you meant fourth, but i’ll overlook that. It just means he was still third when the silly “Bobby-Ryan-at-Center” strategy was going on.
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What sort of return do you anticipate on Versteeg? Why move him now?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Rumors that he’s asked for a trade. Also potential long-term issues with his back. Or maybe someone just really wants him.
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Seems likely.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
somehow his asking for a trade would not surprise me
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by Future_considerations on Feb 10, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
James I love your stuff, but disagree on this one.
Lupul may not just be a toss in, but he’s clearly a salary dump by Anaheim. The Leafs took on salary, cap and term and in return they got a prospect in Gardiner.
While Lupul will get top 6 minutes, that has way more to do with the Leafs paucity of talent up front than it does with Lupul’s skills.
If indeed this organization sees him as a replacement for Versteeg, the Leafs have larger issues than I imagined.
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Agree. If Burke thinks a Lupul for Versteeg swap straight up is a good idea, I’ll start to worry double time.
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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Lupul may not just be a toss in, but he’s clearly a salary dump by Anaheim.
Agreed – I think it’s a case of “is that the Salary dump you want?”
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Bingo
Burke can talk all he wants about Lupul being a guy he believes, that will be a big part of the team, blah blah blah but I file that under the Brian Burke Bluster casefiles. What the hell else is he going to say? He’s got to stand up for his player.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Lupul’s playing on a sheltered scoring line at the cost of some scoring depth. It’s hard to see how he was really someone that Burke wanted to go after. He’s also 3 years older than Versteeg, not known for his defensive prowess, like Versteeg was at the time of the trade, and it’s unlikely that Lupul is just a couple extra minutes of ATOI away from putting up a career year, which Steeger is on pace for. Oh, and Lupul’s massively overpaid, which Anaheim MUST have wanted to ditch.
If Burke sought Lupul out as a Versteeg replacement, he’s a pretty terrible Versteeg replacement in almost every possible category.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
a) he is playing with Lapierre on the third.
b) you guys are talking like we traded versteeg for him, which we didn’t. If he’s a replacement for versteeg, it’s because we got back a blue-chip prospect, which I think makes lupul’s entry worth it, at least in my books
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
A) He’s not playing with Lapierre on the Leafs. Lupul-Bozak-MacArthur
B) The question is whether or not acquiring Lupul frees up Versteeg to be traded, and if so, is he a good replacement (as in, someone we would go out and get). I submit that the answer is no, on both counts.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
What I was saying is he was playing with Lapierre. Bozak and MacArthur are way more capable.
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this, don’t think Lupul is just here do be a dump. In more was than one.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Last night, someone (i think birky) commentd that Burke will know 12pm if there is another deal happening.
Hmmmmm
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…interesting
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by Future_considerations on Feb 10, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
My guess is it’s Giguere pending medical reports on Gustavsson. (And I’m going to be way off, the Leafs are going to land Drew Miller)
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OMG DREW MILLER NO WAY
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Arthur Staple:
I have no idea who this guy is, this likely isn’t anything of merit, but it says:
Sources say that the Leafs would want at least three pieces back — a current NHLer, a prospect and possibly a first-round pick in return for Kaberle.and
AHL prospects Evgeny Grachev and Dale Weise would be in play, but the Rangers also aren’t giving up a first-round pick for any deadline rental.
a current NHLer, a prospect and possibly a first-round pick
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
wow, swinging for the fences!!
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by Future_considerations on Feb 10, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
COnsidering the rumoured asking price for Mike Fisher was a first and a prospect…
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HAHAHAHA
Hilarious. Fisher stinks.
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this year he does, but in years past dont say you didn’t want him in Blue and White
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by Mathius Leaf on Feb 10, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
In years past he was basically a Canadian Nik Antropov in terms of production. He’s had one really productive year in his career. He’s become injury prone and can’t score.
Also, he’s sneaky dirty. I have NEVER wanted Mike Fisher on the Leafs.
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It’ll probably be a first and prospect for Fisher and Carrie Underwood
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 10, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
“Sources say” I would also like a future hall of famer, a recent all-star, and two first round picks.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I know, I’m just forwarding information
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Sources say I would like a coffee and a Cinnabon. And a pony.
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 10, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
That is a ludricously high price for Kaberle under the current conditions.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 10, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
not too bad considering the return Beachemin got.
It would only upgrade the pick from a 4th to 1st which isn’t too bad considering the demand for a PMD for the playoffs.
extension with no NTC I’ll imagine, otherwise that’s a ridiculous price to pay for what may amount to a rental player for a playoffs run… it’s not impossible but it’ll have to be from a playoff team who is expecting a deep run and desperately need another top-4 D-man
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 10, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Kinda early to be drinking no?
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He actually has a point. If it were the Rangers though… “nhl player” would have to be interpretted liberally enough to include Wade Redden.
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I wouldn’t take Redden even if I had a time machine…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of funny they got the exact thing for Beauchemin that Burke was trying to get for Kaberle last summer, no?
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Beauch is a better player and has a year left on his deal.
And Lupul is basically a negative value player given the contract.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
http://twitter.com/#!/JoshuaCooper/statuses/35494532640407552
Double scouts at the Nashville game last night..
Versteeg for Wilson? Franson? Other Prospect?
I’ve concluded that location of scouts means nothing with respect to trades.
I also refuse to believe that they have to send scouts to a single game when they can just get every game a player has played in on GameCenter Live.
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I also refuse to believe that they have to send scouts to a single game when they can just get every game a player has played in on GameCenter Live.
You’re kidding right?
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Buffalo is home of video scouting.
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I’m more confused about why the scouts would need to go see one random game before trading for the player when they have ~50 games on tape already.
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Yeah
I get what you’re saying but I feel like those guys see it as one final test drive before making the leap.
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Broadcast coverage follows the puck, not the play. If you watch a game live you get to see all sorts of things the TV coverage excludes.
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There are things you don’t see on TV. Unless they have a cam on them the whole game, you can’t see everything
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Unless they have a cam on them the whole game, you can’t see everything
That is actually how the sabres video scouting works. I like it in theory, but i don’t think there’s the personnel for it right now, so i’d like them to can it for a while.
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@DarrenDreger I’ll start. Brian Burke says there is nothing imminent today on the Maple Leafs trade front.
Everyone slowly back away from the trade rumors.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
fixed
Everyone slowly back away from thetrade rumorscliff.
by PLAYOFFS!!!1 on Feb 10, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
All quiet now here at Leafs’ practice rink. Expect Burke to pull of at least two other moves before deadline. http://plixi.com/p/75998670
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by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Why would you guys want another defenseman?
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Because they’re good. Collect good players when they’re available, and work from there.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I guess with Beauchemin gone it’s not as much of a total logjam on the back end
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There’s still a logjam, but for prospects, rather than for veteran/shutdown roster players. Schenn, Phaneuf, Gunnarsson, Aulie, Gardiner, Blacker, Gysbers, Holzer, Mikus. If we can’t get a working 6 out of that lineup – especially since 3 of them are already legit – we’re destined for nothing good.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Now Nashville is a legitimate destination only if they were trying to get Hemsky…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Leaf rumours
When was the last time a rumoured leaf trade came true? They have been GREAT at keeping things quiet
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True
But the team and parts were out of left-field.
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yeah but as much as ANA wanted him back, no one saw this trade coming
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone was saying that, HOWEVER, people were saying “most likely” never “Leafs and ucks are talking”
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Just goes to show that don’t nobody know shit about what goes on behind closed doors in the NHL despite their repeated insistence to the contrary.
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Pretty much.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly what I was trying to say
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To be fair to he-who-shall-not-be-name, he did name Anaheim as the likely destination for Beuch.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
he also said of Emery “Anaheim is the leader, by far”
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
dun dun dun
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uh oh...
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That 3% accuracy rate’s gotta come from somewhere
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
yeah good point.
Dion Phaneuf? People may have asked for him, but its not like we called that
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
One pattern though is that a) Burke loves to trade with his old teams, and b) he loves to trade for his old players.
Thus, I am starting the rumour that we are getting Penner. Burke type player. Apparently on the block. Had him in ANA.
by Ben Schnell on Feb 10, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Foolish play by Hamhuis, don’t turn your face to the glass when Ryan Getzlaf is forechecking you.
Truculligerestosterugnacity.
Agree, that was 100% Hamhuis’ fault. If he had played that smarter he wouldn’t be picking his teeth off the glass.
He didn’t turn his back. If you watch again, he turns to make the pass and he’s facing parallel to the boards, not directly at the glass.
After watching it a bunch of times, it’s really more an accident than anything
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For anyone on Twitter I’m about to go nuclear on somebody. This could be worth witnessing.
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I’ve got my popcorn ready!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
which guy, the de nile guy or the person who actually thinks you’re potvin?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
de nile.
Let’s hear about objectively evaluating facts from a grown man who’s getting a doctorate related to a magical wizard who lives in the sky that we heard about from people who lived without windows or plumbing.
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hahaha
Yes.
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This sounds like it could be entertaining
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Honestly this is so absurd it makes my head hurt. This challenge can’t be turned down.
Here’s what people knew 2,000 years ago: not one goddamn thing.
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Well, they did set up much of the basis for formal logical thought, even today.
Of course, the people who did that were frequently sentenced to death for not being religious enough, so…there’s that.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Don’t! You’ll shatter his worldview!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Fact: 2000 years from now people are going to be saying that about us.
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by daoust on Feb 10, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
john spartan, you have been charged one credit for….
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Fact:
2,000 years from now we’ll be living in another galaxy.
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by thenumber14 on Feb 10, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
The nearest galaxy is 25,000 light years away. To reach your goal, we’d have to have left 23,000 years ago on our light ships.
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ah, well then lets settle for star system.
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by thenumber14 on Feb 10, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Who says we didn’t?
The NHL is just In-Flight entertainment.
As Leaf fans, clearly we’re travelling economy, or otherwise need to be punished.
Follow someone else on Twitter.
by not norm ullman on Feb 10, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Strong agreement. They’ll be right.
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Yea, that doesn’t really change what you said.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
also the study of the people who believe that and the history associated with what is still a driving force in society
But, you know, that’s less fun.
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
In Hamilton.
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 10, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
If you’re wondering whether or not Lupul was a cap acquisition, the only players making more than Beauchemin:
Selanne, Blake, Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan, Visnovsky.
N E V E R G O N N A H A P P E N
Lupul was the most expensive movable guy the Ducks had available. But maybe that’s just a coincidence, and Burke really wanted him…
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Giguere was a salary dump too. Hasn’t stopped him from playing a lot of games.
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by Back In Black on Feb 10, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul – wish you all the best and I hope you come back to your previous everyday NHL Player status and are a scoring force that you used to be. Just not against my FLYERS.
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I wouldn’t worry too hard about that.
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Chemmy: @bruce_arthur Burke can’t magically invent top tier talent. Your point is logically flawed: Burke knows about tons of talent he can’t get.
This is a good thing to keep in mind.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:41 AM EST reply actions
It’s unfair to say Kessel’s been a miss or Hanson or Bozak or Gustavsson or Lupul because Burke isn’t selecting guys he thinks are the best in the business, he’s selecting the best of what’s available.
A homeless person understands that he’d like to eat prime rib but there’s only half of a moldy sandwich in the trash.
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An entire sandwich? You got fleeced! I would have accepted a hard roll with some ketchup on it!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
The sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor!
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think the other element to the lack of talent is that the Leafs are going to have a lot of turnover trying to find pieces that actually work.
The more moves you make, the more errors there are to point to.
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Especially when you’re gambling on guys and are under the microscope. Teams do this sort of thing all the time but no one usually cares.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
As I tweeted at Bruce Arthur, the Leafs have to sift a lot of sand to find some gold. By it’s nature it’s going to mean more misses than hits.
I’m fine with it when there’s limited (or no) cost like NCAA UFAs.
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Has Burke brought in a lot of guys who stunk? Sure.
That just means that with no clear path to elite talent, and with a crummy roster, the Leafs have a lot of flexibility to find some guy who was overlooked and finally gets it. I think pulling out MacArthur is the first dividend of this process. We’ll keep going until we don’t need to anymore.
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It’s like some sort of anti-palm reading fortune telling where people put more emphasis on the misses rather than the hits. Two of our most productive players (Grabbo and MacArthur) were acquired for basically nothing. (Not both by Burke but whatever) This seems to just get glossed over because he hasn’t turned water into wine yet.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
The only problem is when you find the right pieces, a timer starts on when that good fitting piece will expire. You have to find them relatively very close to each other that’s the real hard part.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
This is it exactly. Blowing this team up was absolutely the right thing to do – it was the only thing to do really – but it means having to make a whole whack of gambles in a short period of time. Which means inevitably having things not work out / blow up in your face a lot in a short period of time, in probably the most media-saturated hockey market there is. Tough gig.
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The big test is going to be the rest of the trade deadline and July 1st. We have our first round pick, it’ll be Burke’s second draft with the Leafs after sitting out two of them and he’s not stupid: he knows this squad isn’t going to the dance.
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You also got a good blue chip prospect to go with Lupul
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Apparently we now refer to them as question marks.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, everyones more excited about the prospect and to a lesser extent the conditional pick.
Not a lot of Lupul fans here – Chemmy would burn him at the stake if only he didn’t believe in magic or witches or angels or anything fun like that – but I’m reserving judgement until I see him play a few games.
Excuse me I still believe in burning people at the stake.
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I wonder, With Malkin down and Crosby down, Does Pittsburgh try to Wooo Billy Guerin back from Retirement after the told him in the off season that he was too old for the NHL and that they were not going to resign him ?
LOL : )
Good to see the “Darlings” of the League (Penguins) have problems. hahahahahahaaaaaaa
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GO FLYERS!!!1
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by thenumber14 on Feb 10, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
LETS GO FLYERS !
Right on Brotha !
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Daniel Carcillo, Class act. – GO FLYERS!!!!11
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Colton Orr Class act – Go Leafs Go.
BAZINGA !
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Dude, this is a fight you cant win.
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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Not Trying to win and HONESTLY – Didnt start it. I respect the Maple Leafs and I want them to make the playoffs. Its others who started it.
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we started that about a year ago, it is an ingrained meme
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hooo Haa! I love Jonny Bravo ! – I love Ontario Maple Leaf Nation area. Been to allot of places there. I love Harveys and Tim Hortons. I want a summer home there. I respect the Maple Leafs but I am a FLYERS fan born and raised in Philadelphia area.
My Mothers side of the family is from the Maritimes in New Brunswick area. so I have Canadian Blood in me.
HOCKEY is my love and passion.
Would love to go to Toronto to watch the FLYERS play the Maple Leafs some day.
does that clear things up ?
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I know and good man.
I actually wanted you guys to win the cup last year starting the conf semi’s
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we owe some sort of gratitude to the flyers for Knocking out Montreal.
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by Future_considerations on Feb 10, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
and that’s for an Islanders fan if i’m not mistaken…
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by thenumber14 on Feb 10, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Lupul will likely be little more than an entry in the Leafs annual media guide.
Are we expecting ZERO from this guy to protect our tender souls from disappointment? He’s a very good player. Go ahead and hope for the best.
Maybe if you quoted the whole sentence? Or do you really think in three or four years we’ll all be talking about the Lupul years?
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I’m going to do us all a favor and re-letter my Kadri jersey to Lupul. Two birds with one stone.
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I guess it’s better than lupus.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be happy if we talk about the Gardiner years in four years’ time.
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 10, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
the way i see it, optimism accomplishes nothing in this case.
Assuming he will provide us with nothing but overpaid mediocrity allows me the following scenarios:
1. He does well, I am pleasantly surprised, and the leafs still have their blue chip prospect
2. He shits the bed, I don’t care since I never thought he would do well, and the leafs still have their blue chip prospect
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Bingo
Normally I oppose this approach but for a guy like Lupul it’s the safest one.
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Am I still allowed to hope that he’ll not only be better than Mitchell and Crabb, but also Rosehill, Sjostrom, Boyce, Brent and Brown? Hanson, Caputi and Zigomanis? Catastrophe-turned-winger Brett Lebda?
It’s not a high bar to expect someone to improve the Leafs’ offensive punch.
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by Back In Black on Feb 10, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
He’ll leap that bar but like you said, that’s prrrretty low.
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I’m with ya buddy. I like being an optimistic Leafs fan. It hasn’t paid off recently, but I don’t mind looking on the bright side :)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 10, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Gah
Hopefully we don’t inherit gif’s like this with the lupul trade..
Oompalupul?
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by Future_considerations on Feb 10, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We’ll be safe as long as nobody posts it here for everyone to save to their hard drives for future use.
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Mitchell has cleared waivers. This should have been the news back in September.
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Time to do a happy dance?
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by thenumber14 on Feb 10, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
That suit is full of 1980’s win.
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 10, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Still good news now.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Can we refer to the pairing of Phaneuf/Aulie as: Sutter’s Gift?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Re. Bruce Arthur
Here’s another way to look at things. Who are the big UFA successes in the past two years? Not just with the Leafs, but league wide.
Who is out there that (a) Burke could have gotten, and (b) is good. I’m betting it’s a very, very short list.
Burke’s mistakes (non-hindsight division) to me have been Komi, Army and Lebda (i.e. overpaying for “talent”). You can’t blame him for not finding talent that ain’t there.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
Really, Komi is the worst as Cheese isn’t terribly priced or terrible at hockey. Lebda is too cheap to care about despite sucking.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Perfect example of this...
Kovalchuk. He may still have the talent to be an elite player in the league, but he is not scoring in Jersey to anywhere near his career average, and they are now saddled with that contract for basically forever.
I know I was a huge supporter at the time of Burke making a run for Kovy, but based on his play now I can say I am glad that he didn’t.
Imagine if he signed here for that deal and was playing like he is now, oh doctor.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
dont’ you dare put army in the same category as komi and lebda. DON’T YOU DARE.
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I still maintain a $3MM third liner is a mistake but I completely agree he’s not in the same category of Komi or Lebda.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Amen…Army isn’t a bad acquisition and other teams were offering $3.5mm. Lebda and Komi are much worse.
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 10, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the link dudes.
Really glad I can like Beauchemin again.
by theactivestick on Feb 10, 2011 12:17 PM EST reply actions
HAHAHAH
Mike Fisher to Nashville for a first
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Not a bad move for the Sens really.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
That’s an f’ing fantastic move for the Sens.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
It really is.
Now lets hope another GM wants Versteeg that badly!!
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Versteeg for a first rounder and a conditional pick would be a horrible trade, unless that first rounder comes from the Islanders or Oilers.
by Draglikepull on Feb 10, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
considering we traded a player who was a first rounder last year, and stalberg for him, yes it would be a terrible deal.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Also considering that the level of performance we’re getting out of Versteeg when he’s only 24 is probably better than the performance we’d get out of a mid-to-late 1st round pick.
by Draglikepull on Feb 10, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
yes, but from an actual value stand point, if Fisher can get that, who knows what Versteeg could return, it is certainly worth exploring
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
and thats all I was trying to say. Fuck
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Fisher sucks, Versteeg does not
if Fisher can bring in that return than versteeg should be a 1st + something else good at least
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
depending on how Nashville finishes, the sens could have 2 picks in the top 10
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nashville has never won a playoff series and until last year had never won a road playoff game.
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 10, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
They are 5th in west right now and just got better. They are making the playoffs.
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now we know why versteeg is being shopped
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
UH-HUH
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
cheaper, better, younger no NTC
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Nashville Predators are proud to announce that we have acquired Carrie Underwood via trade
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
How is this going to change the Taylor Swift/Predators relationship?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
more country music? more fun?
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like Nashville wants to prove to Weber that they want to win now maybe?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
far too much.
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Gone to Music City for a first round 2011 and a conditional pick in 2012.
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Hm… Interesting. Nashville is dangerous now…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I wouldn’t say sucks. He’s a versatile guy. Although he does stink.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
he isn’t the guy that will push the preds over the top
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Being a team that has financial issues I doubt they could get the individual who could indeed push them over the top. But, every little bit helps.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Fisher makes double what he should, I have no idea what they were thinking with this
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Carrie Underwood
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Only $7MM in actual cash for next two years but $3.5MM is still way too much for a guy who is 31 and will likely never top 45 points again.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
did they badly need a 3rd line center?
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Lombardi is out so yes.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Legwand, Sullivan, Wilson… they actually seem to have depth at the position.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
You’re mistaken. They actually see Legwand as a second line center :D, at least they did last time I checked, which makes the whole ordeal even funnier. Wait, isn’t Sullivan a winger?
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t matter if Legwand is #1 or 2, he’s ahead of Fisher. And Lombardi should be back next year.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
So what were basically concluding is they gave up those picks for a 3rd line checking center… Which is how I saw the deal. They are probably hoping he can thrive in a somewhat increased role like he did with Ottawa last year…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Feels kind of like an all-in move for this year. Where does Wilson fit in the future? Just… odd.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yes odd, funny and not so funny considering Ottawa got something good.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
David Legwand?
He had 11 goals and 37 points in 82 games last season. That’s not even #2 quality, and he isn’t much better this year.
Fisher may have rapidly changed from being a good player to being a massively overrated player, but he didn’t actually stop being good. And Nashville is paper-thin at that position.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Feb 10, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t tell Nashville Legwand’s not valuable. He may not be scoring points but he eats up the tough minutes and the PK.
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Yeah, Legwand’s a better version of Fisher.
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by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure he’s very valuable – so is Manny Malhotra. It doesn’t mean he’s better than Fisher (they don’t look much different) and it doesn’t mean they aren’t desperate for quality at centre.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Feb 10, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
remember this?
MIKE FISHER FOR TEAM CANADA
That was funny.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Fisher is worth a 1st round pick? Kris Versteeg is now worth a 1st round pick.
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This is good news.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
unless the other 29 GMs look at this and say “well that’s a stupid f8cking deal”.
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I would think so, once they finish laughing
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I’m thinking country music lobbies had something to do with this…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Conditional 2nd! WTF
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 10, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I love how the GMs are killing trade-deadline TV shows before they even begin.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST reply actions
With playoff battles so tight and likely to come down to just one or two games for an awful lot of teams, they seem to be recognising how important it is to improve as soon as possible.
by Draglikepull on Feb 10, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if this overpay on trade is going to have a similar effect on the trade deadline as Clarkey Mark’s 2.4Mil Arbitration award did to arbitration this summer.
Oh, four! I mean five! I mean fire! Now available in lite version!
Judging purley
by the interview I don’t think Schenn was happy about the deal…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions
and what trade are you talking about? the leafs? the sens? the hawks?
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
Beauchemin of course. Didn’t even realize the Fisher deal was going on. Besides, who gives two craps about that. They’ll just draft poorly and continue to suck.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
well, i wouldn’t blame him. probably feels a lot more pressure with Beauch gone
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Plus I don’t think you’ll ever see a player ‘happy’ to see a teammate go (unless those teammates are Toskala and Blake). Beauchemin was the leader of the D probably helped Schenn a lot through his struggles last year.
that’s probably the main reason. Hence the “You’d think Wendel was dressing tonight” on the number of reporters and media interest. A little bitterness there.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if anyone else saw this but on the clip of Giggy discussing the Beauch trade, Berger is asking him about the things Beauch might miss in Toronto. Saying “no more this, no more that, etc. etc.” and one other reporter chimes in and goes “No Howard Berger…”
Truculligerestosterugnacity.
Hahaha. That’s gold Jerry, gold!
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I can tell you, as a leaf fan from the 2000 season on (didnt watch hockey between 1985 and 1999) – I’ve had a bit of a Man Crush on Kaberle. The thought of him leaving (speculation) makes my pants pretty darn sad.
How does your shirt feel in all this?
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by theninjagreg on Feb 10, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Oddly optimistic but his shoes are down right suicidal
by Hi, my name is Pavol, its nice Demitra. on Feb 10, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Fisher
Is a great pickup for Nashville and the Barry Trotz system. Worth a first? Maybe, if Nashville gets past the first or even second then it’s a late first in a weak draft (supposedly). Given the parity in the West though, Nashville could end up out of the picture and then it’s a sweet deal for Murray. The difference here is Poile knows his team can at least make the playoffs hence the first not being worth say a second overall pick cough cough Burke.
who coughs twice and then ends with the person’s name?
by Neale's Harry on Feb 10, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather give up two firsts for Kessel than one first for MIKE FISHER.
Are you smoking crack? He’s 30 and has 24 pts. His game is dead. He’s never outscored MATT STAJAN whom we were busy running out of town.
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Better question
Why is a team that’s cash poor and lives on its scouting, drafting and player developmnt successes throwing around first round picks for the likes of Mike Fisher?
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Because they’re running out of money to continue said scouting and development. MOAR PLAYOFF REVENUEZ
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This year’s draft sucks?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
why the hell would anyone buy tickets because someones wife is famous? is she going to be an ice girl?
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
The real question is how many tickets they sell and increase their ratings due to Carrie Underwood camera shots.
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Like…. In American sign language? That would be cool. ;-)
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by not norm ullman on Feb 10, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
She better be careful not to throw up gang signs.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
And even after his new contract, Stajan has a cheaper cap hit.
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Umm, weak draft? Did the Leafs suddenly acquire a first round pick that I wasn’t aware of?
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 10, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one who read that as “Carrie Underwood is a great pickup for Nashville…”
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
He played on a shitty Ottawa team. I think his skill set with fit in perfectly with how Nashville plays
Yes, her songwriting should be a great fit for the vibrant country scene.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hey I bet you wouldn't say that when he was on our team ;)
Trying to be Erik Karlsson's agent since October, 2010.
Yeah, I will miss him
But we got a decent deal + 4.2 million in extra cap space
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Fixed
Mike Fisher blows at hockey and isgross lyoverpaid.
sigh. I really need to stop procrastinating.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 10, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
So it’s INTANGIBLES!!!
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 10, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
All I knwo is, the Wookie makes his return tonight and I am PUMPED to see him
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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by Hi, my name is Pavol, its nice Demitra. on Feb 10, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
He’s like a fucken Wookie on skates
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Side note
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/38198-Rumor-Roundup-Penguin-hunting.html
Why in the hell would a team like Nashville shop Ryan Ellis? Isn’t it more logical that they wait Weber out and if he re-signs they try to deal Suter and his contract?
Thoughts.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:39 PM EST reply actions
I think Poile is hoping if they can add some offensive pieces and get past the first round it’ll show Weber that they are making progress and he’ll be more inclined to stay. Weber is a far greater asset than Ellis and since Weber is still in his prime why not shop yet another D prospect they have. After all, that’s all their scouts target apparently.
Fair enough, but that way they are screwed if Weber goes… Let me rephrase that – they are screwed if Weber goes.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, it’s kind of like Bouwmeester and Florida, except that I would kill to have Weber and just merely like have Bouw. At some point you want to play for a winner. Winning a gold medal will give you that taste.
For me, Weber is the best defenseman in the NHL right now. Ok Nick Lidstrom still is, but this guy is close. Keith, Doughty yes it’s all well and amazing but this guy is the total package that can hit you as hard as a ton of bricks, he can move, play a shutdown role, and that shot of his is the talk of the league. Of all the defensemen in the world I pick you Weber.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
If thy don’t at least get out of the first round before his contract is up, Weber’s gone.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 10, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
This is my thinking they need to win now to keep Weber around.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Also
Hemsky for Ellis and a 1st round pick is crazy talk… Hemsky is made of glass…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
This doesn’t explain why anyone would want Fisher.
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for a 1st no less…
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if part of this has to do with marketing. Jimmy Devellano admitted to making a few acquisitions as GM of the Wings in order to make the news and hopefully sell some seats.
Fisher will play in their top 9, can do spot duty in the top 6, and has already got the Predators on the front page of the local paper…
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Ding ding ding.
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See e.g., Thrashers, Atlanta and the list of their potential acquisitions I linked yesterday.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
The thrasher’s may be the team most guilty of these marketing acquisitions, though also the team most safe from anyone complaining.
You can justify it from a hockey standpoint. If trading a white for a black player both with equal hockey abilities gets you an extra $1MM in revenues, you can then plow that back into hockey salaries. I actually think it’s a good play by ATL.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a good play, and I’m not saying there is anything wrong with it, though if it were the other way around (trading a black player for a white player for publicity reasons), it would be see as super duper wrong.
Of course. Not just seen as, it would be super duper wrong.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
So it’s kind of a double standard. It’s just the way things are but if anything like that ever happens, or is alleged to happen, they will need to start investigating any signings which appear to have motives other than on-ice performance/advantages.
Wasn’t there an article a while back about that, comparing to what the Pacers (? can’t remember) did in the NBA, going to all white guys?
I think it talked about a double standard too. It was definitely an interesting read though.
Leaf fan in Edmonton.
To me it’s a justified double standard what with the whole “white people were never enslaved” thing.
NOTE: I am not initiating an affirmative action debate. Discussion confined to Atlanta Thrasher personnel decisions only.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
That asking price, however, would likely be too rich for Predators GM David Poile, who admitted he’s looking to improve his team, but only if the deal makes sense.
Or, y’know…whatever.
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by Jo4nny on Feb 10, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’ll secant that.
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by not norm ullman on Feb 10, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
So apparently, Kaberle is going back to wearing the ‘A’, and Aulie is playing alongside Phaneuf, taking Beauchemin’s spot directly. I wonder if they’ll try to shelter that pairing a little more? The thing is, do they put Komisarek out there to do so? Ugh…
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Also, it’s Reim Time tonight, with Jiggy starting against Montréal.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
How do people feel about tonight’s game? Are the Devils really 10-1-something in their last couple of games?
Lupul hat trick?
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Did the Devils trade away their 1st pick in 2011? Why are they even trying?
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Wyshynski and Pizzo talked about this on their show yesterday; this might not be the full on bottoming out for the Devils. They have to give up a 1st rounder in the next 4 years and once they lose Brodeur that could be their worst season so they could try and win now to lessen the blow of losing their 1st by doing better now and giving it up for this year.
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Very true, and apparently 1st round picks are worthless this year.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
This year is not looking amazing. There are eight players in the conversation for #1; the guy with the most consistent top billing, Couturier, isn’t particularly close to leading the QMJHL in scoring. I’d have the specifics if the QMJHL website wasn’t fucking bush league.
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a design so flimsy it must be french
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Now with less HOF goalie and premiere shut down D-man!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 10, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
EVERYBODY
JACQUES
JACQUES
JACQUES
JACQUES
JCQUES!!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this guy
this guy gets it
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
they’re also 11-8-2 since firing their coach. granted, 11 of those wins came after getting rid of the captain, but i’m going to guess that changes coaches may have helped as well.
just saying.
Move along. Nothing to see here...
by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
We all know what you are saying and the answer is still NO. We are not firing Wilson.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
well that’s obvious, isn’t it. i’m trying to make an academic and philosophical point. i’m clearly not trying to convince BB to fire Wilson, unless BB is a lurker….
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Percentages swung back in their favour by a lot too.
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the regression argument?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
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pffffft.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
lol
You can’t be a Neurologist and hate math!
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a) i’m not a neurologist
b) i generally do hate math
c) i prefer to believe that hockey is played by demi-gods on skates. not by the gods of fate or by roulette-wheel probabilities.
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
NOT A NEUROLOGIST?
No wonder MVR didn’t make it back.
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by Bower Power on Feb 10, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The red thing’s connected to my wristwatch.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 10, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
the coroner? I’m so sick of that guy!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Well if it isn’t my old friend Mr. McCraig.
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by theninjagreg on Feb 10, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
his assesment
went something like this:
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
A) Oh.
B) Same.
C) Only demi-gods? Pretty sure you just insulted Wendel.
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Wow
It turns out that sheep are smarter than you think — they are capable of making independent decisions and have excellent memories.
Could it be that Howard Berger has been complimenting us all along?
Overtime loss: The new black.
hahaha
Amazing.
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HAHAHA - Nashville.
Who wants to hear a funny ass joke?
by ohshrit on Feb 10, 2011 1:54 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
yessssssssssssss
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by Cornelius Hardenbergh on Feb 10, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, the guy on the right :D
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
wow, they really went with that headline
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine someone that don’t know that Predators are a hockey team lol…
Sexual predators kidnapped Mike Fisher!
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by jimmyp22 on Feb 10, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
already changed haha – now it says Mike Fisher – Carrie Underwood’s husband
by Neale's Harry on Feb 10, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was just talking with a guy that I work with who actually knows Joffrey Lupul fairly well (he’s from Fort Saskatchewan). He told me that Lupul is quite depressed that he got traded to Toronto.
How well he actually knows Lupul, I’m not sure, but I don’t think he’d bullshit me.
Do you think that might affect his play at all?
Leaf fan in Edmonton.
No offense to you or your friend, but I wouldn’t put any stock in this kind of second-hand information.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
is your friend a Toronto fan?
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hit Refresh
Merry Christmas folks.
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i wanna see it!
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by Van Ryn's Neurologist on Feb 10, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
THANKS FRIEND!
Fairweather fans can go to hell
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I’ll be honest, I’m still not getting it. What’s going on?
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The retard known as wendel clark for life has been banned for using derogatory slurs and his posts deleted.
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How will this affect his Recquamp and Flagcorsi?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been waived to the minors (HFBoards) so his numbers in the bigs will no longer count.
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Hmmm, surprised that Hockeybuzz didn’t pick him up on waivers.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm, surprised that Hockeybuzz Garth Snow didn’t pick him up on waivers.
by Hi, my name is Pavol, its nice Demitra. on Feb 10, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
He’s Toskalaesque, all of our jokes seemed to go right past him.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d
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by the great 88 on Feb 10, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
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by jrwendelman on Feb 10, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ah… I saw his ‘ass licking’ comments, and I heard the whooshing sounds that our jokes made as they went over his head, but although I know I noticed him around before, I can’t say I even took much notice of him.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
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Wondering how long that would take.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 10, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I’m buying 10. Will be worth plenty after tonight’s hattrick. Oh yeah.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Brunnstrom is a Marlie now, jokes like that bounce of his blue shield. Until he gets called up that is.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
They are not your slaves
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I got stuck in meetings until now.
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sometimes we forget you guys have other jobs
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I thought all blogger’s just sit in their mother’s basements mashing away at their keyboards?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
That's just not fair
There are frequent dips into the Cheeto bag in between keystrokes.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
And poopie breaks
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
On second thought, maybe I should’ve linked that gif with a NSFW tag….
Mah bad.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
plus the shirt wipe
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Digging a little deeper
Ran the numbers for Lupul over at Hot Stove.
2005-06: 28 goals in 81 games = 0.35 goals/game = 29-goal pace.
2007-08: 20 goals in 56 games = 0.36 goals/game = 30-goal pace.
2008-09: 25 goals in 79 games = 0.32 goals/game = 26-goal pace.
2009-10: 10 goals in 23 games = 0.44 goals/game = 36-goal pace.
Admittedly, 09-10 is tough to judge as Lupul’s goal-scoring pace may not have held up over the remaining 59 games of the season … although of the 10 goals he scored before his back gave out, none were on the powerplay. Assuming those numbers would have picked up, his on-pace likely still would been in the mid-20s even if the 0.44 per-game average regressed to the low-mid 30s he recorded in 3 of 4 seasons prior.
The point is, to suggest he is a player in decline may be premature. The only seasons in which he recorded less than a 26-goal pace were (a) his rookie season, (b) the down year in Edmonton, which was a disaster all around and © this season where he just so happens to be recovering from injury & skating on the 3rd line with 2nd-unit PP duty.
If he can hold down a 2nd line role and earn decent PP minutes, I wouldn’t write off a 20-25 goal pace over a full (and healthy) season.
"One day, we'll be perfect." - The Tao of Stieb
For his career, Lupul is a 22.8 G/82 scorer. Not terrible. Encouraging to me is his decent shooting percentage, 10.7% for his career. With consistent minutes, I think Lupul should average a healthy 2.5-3 shots per game with the Leafs.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
If he can hold down a 2nd line role and earn decent PP minutes, I wouldn’t write off a 20-25 goal pace over a full (and healthy) season.
So he’s Kris Versteeg at a higher price. Cool. Cause we all know how much Kris Versteeg has helped to increase the offense on our top 2 lines this season.
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I know I have little to no basis for this claim, but I think he’ll be a pleasant surprise…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much.
The point of running the numbers isn’t to suggest he will be any more than what he is … which is a decent second-line option who should improve the powerplay.
Rather, it’s more to show that the player’s career hasn’t derailed – or been terribly inconsistent – the way many were suggesting today & yesterday.
As for the contract, yes, he is overpaid. But we didn’t give him that contract, so, meh. As Bower Power pointed out, if taking that deal on is the price for getting Gardiner … sold.
"One day, we'll be perfect." - The Tao of Stieb
by GarrettBauman on Feb 10, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
um, maybe we have a different definition of derailed, but a player being bed ridden and unable to train for 7 months is a bit of a “watch-out” for me.
On the whole I agree, taking on bad contracts likePhaneuf and Lupul is worth it to land solid prospects like Aulie and Gardiner.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Leafs have money to burn and cap space that probably wouldnt have anyone good take up anyways
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
if you can add young assets like you mentioned, im on board as well
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E"
by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
On the whole I agree, taking on bad contracts likePhaneuf and Lupul is worth it to land solid prospects like Aulie and Gardiner.
Total agree, though it’s obviously too early to know anything, these are trades we could look back on in 6 or 7 years and say “man, the Flames and Ducks really got screwed in the Aulie and Gardiner trades”; i.e. they will be known as the trades we acquired these guys, not Phaneuf and Lupul.
The biggest challenge for Lupul is staying healthy.
If he can do that, and he can average 3 shots a game, he’ll be a 20 goal scorer. Everything above that is going to be a stretch.
He won’t earn his contract, but he’ll push crappier players down the Leafs depth chart.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
He won’t earn his contract, but whenever I see that $4.2M, I’ll think about the time we took Anaheim’s top prospect.*
*Cam Fowler sold separately.
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Lol SNES?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Some beer league team in located in Ottawa Kanata, Ontario
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
How old are you?
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
The Senators for some reason made their 3rd jersey say simply “SENS” which is ridiculous because everyone used to call Super Nintendo SNES back in the day.
That console was the first gaming machine I had. To this day it remains the best. Yesss, I had more. :D
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, I asked for one for christmas when I was 5 years old (or around there) and got a regular Nintendo. At the time I was kind of cheesed off but then when I got a SNES a year later I was glad that I had both.
So many great games. Genuine fun.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Lebda
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by Future_considerations on Feb 10, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
No
We’re not going down this ludicrous path. HFBoards loves fake trades with no basis. They’ll give you hundreds of answers.
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Is it a slippery slope? If we discuss one trade….we may end up discussing.. OTHER TRADES??!!! OH NO
elephant shell
Lebda + Komisarek for Matt Duchene.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/2/10/1985783/bon-voyage-francois#58894358
Certified Grabbo Lover
Discussing plausible trades that have a basis to it is fun.
Discussing trades that have no chance not so much
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I’m just curious what schenn’s value is. I’m not going to say “WHY HAZNT BURKE DONE THIS”. How much better is Schenn than Kadri? They were picked 2 spots apart in the draft
elephant shell
If Schenn’s last name was Nesch would he be the centerpiece of so much empty trade projection?
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We dont agree on much, but this one, we do
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Schenn is a power forward in the make of Ryan Getzlaf.
this is why he is the centre of my empty trade projection
elephant shell
I guess that’s why so many folks also ask about Kyle Beach, Austin Watson and Ryan Stoa.
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Who?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
How much more could Buffalo get out of Toronto in a trade if Zach Kassian changed his name to Zach Schenn?
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Oh man, I would love Kassian.
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I completely forgot about him… Theoretically, where would you fit him on this Leafs roster?
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Theoretically, he would be the only player on the Leafs roster. Buffalo isn’t moving him for less.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Figures, but should have a Lucic like impact on the Sabres.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Earn an outlandish salary in a couple of years that forces them to shed talented players?
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
/tents fingers
excellent
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by Matt_Roberts on Feb 10, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
That and be called the new Matthew Barnaby. The Sabres never had a Cam Neely…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
You’d be very lonely?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
You’re not man enough
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don’t you mean Schenn enough?
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lots. Schenn is a power forward in the make of Ryan Getzlaf. Kadri is a small dangler like a Patrick Kane-lite.
Certified Grabbo Lover
Brayden Schenn will probably never be near as good as getzlaf
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Because there is actual discussion from reputable sources about Versteeg being traded.
Brayden Schenn isn’t going anywhere. Dean Lombardi has said on dozens of ocassions that he’s going nowhere.
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BAM!
I just broke your orbital bone with a right hook and you’re unconscious.
I win our internet fight :)
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There’s a difference between “who should we trade,” “who do you think is tradeable,” and “what type of player should we be looking for?”. Faux trade proposals fall into none of these categories.
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not a lot, if Schenn is a A prospect, Kadri is an A-, the gap isnt that large
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Curious
Anyone want to post the over-under on how many different names Wendel Clark for Life comes back under?
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
Or at what point he finally gets bored?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
17
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
ATARI 2600, 5200,7800
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by Future_considerations on Feb 10, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
3.5
Bet the under because if he comes back I’ll just IP ban him.
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You can do that?!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
I can.
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I for one, fully embrace our Overlords, who give us wonderful benefit to glorious PPP.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Acceptable
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/wispers I’ve hear that there are other websites out there, I’ve even seen some evidence of it in those dancing people flickering on the walls here…..
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
/whispers Don’t worry comrade revolution will be had, and they will have their comeuppance!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 10, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
All hail the overlords!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I like that you gave ATARI a second chance, you are indeed cuddly
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Right?
I’m of peace.
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you get an extra ass grab next time I see you
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 10, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
BANS
BANS
BANS
BANS
BANS
BANS
EVERYBODY!!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 10, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’m told goaltender Ben Scrivens is practising with the Marlies in Abbotsford. Jonas Gustavsson not with the team.
GO NUTS!
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Not until we know it’s not medical-related.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
medical related or not
O_o
"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
The only thing to note on that front, is that Burke highlighted that Gustavsson was cleared to play the third period yesterday, and the pull was solely a precautionary move. Unless the london expert saw something on his EKG.
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Burke also said that Monster was getting on the plane to join the team in Abbotsford, as far as he knew.
I do recall reading a tweet earlier in the afternoon though – before the presser – that cast some doubt on whether that was accurate.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator) CERTIFIED GRABBO LOVER
Mirtle just confirmed Scrivens in, Monster out. No indication of the reason.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
My Spidey senses are telling me this other trade that was supposed to be announced yesterday has something to do with the goaltending, and the Monster’s Coliacovoian heart is essentially pooping all over the related bedsheets.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator) CERTIFIED GRABBO LOVER
I think your spidey senses might be on to something. Mirtle confirmed it’s medical-related, though “not as serious as last time”.
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
If this turns out to be true, it is incontrovertible proof that the Flying Spaghetti Monster hates the Toronto Maple Leafs.
jrwendelman
The Artist Formerly Known as "Junior", who blogs at heroesinrehab.ca/blog
"But if someone so eager to engage into fist talk, we can always meet after season end in Minsk." (Mikhail Grabovski and a well-meaning but not particularly skillful translator) CERTIFIED GRABBO LOVER
God damn that Flying Spaghetti Monster.
(yes that was on purpose)
"[Phil Kessel]'s as streaky as a flipped coin" - Shift
by The '67 Sound on Feb 10, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Gustavsson had his heart problems flair up again. As Chemmy pointed out yesterday, this could spell an end to his NHL/AHL career regardless of his poor play.
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I am aware of all of this.
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Poor kid. Imagine how scary that must be like.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 10, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
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