Versteeg for a 1st +
TSN reporting that the Leafs have traded Kris Versteeg to the Flyers for a first and another pick. Not sure about this yet, can you guarantee a late first is better than a 24 year old 50 point guy?
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A 24 year old, 3 time 20 goal scorer who is strong defensively. Fuck this SUCKS
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I’m not high on the trade either… Can’t understand it.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
It’s easy enough to understand. With Kessel scoreless in 14 games, with Semin and likely anyone else of note signed before the opening of free agency, I speculate that Burke has realized that the accelerated rebuild concept has failed, and Burke knows it. It’s time for a tanking year or two.
Look at how Burke is talking up Nonis’ role in the last trade. He knows his days are numbered here. He’ll take the Leafs to a tank year and hand off the reigns to Nonis.
He’s sure as hell not buliding a contender on the fly by trading Versteeg. Looks like my sig is out of date too.
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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 14, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Except
2 of the 34 25-20 picks in from 2000-2006 were better than Versteeg. Part of a rebuild is getting young talent. Not late round first round drafts.
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I’ll reserve judgement, as some others are speculating, it may be part of an attempt to make a larger deal happen for a real top-3 centre or power forward.
but we don’t have any evidence of that yet. we do have evidence that Burke is looking for the future at the expense of the present. If Burke wanted to really try for a playoff run next year, Beauchemin would be here still. But he’s not.
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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 14, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
that's his point
Versteeg is better than all but 2 players in the range we’re talking about over the 2000-2006 draft years.
You’re just pointing out more relevant info that aligns with what he’s saying.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you for rebutting my agreement.
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Nope. I’m not going by that logic. Another trade is imminent. And it will include that pick.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Uninformed Thoughts
I wonder how much of this is simply for Burke to quiet the “THE LEAFS DON’T HAVE A FIRST ROUND PICK!!!1” crowd.
Either way, I have a hard time answering an 100% ‘Yes’ to the question asked in the title of this post
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the other problem with this is
Philadelphia is likely going to end up making this a pick in the 25-30 range of the draft… who gives a crap? Our 2nd rounder is likely to be in the 30-36 range.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
trade up, you heard it hear first
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I can't hear
any of this… it’s all text!
And I already discussed this below… trading up in a shit draft doesn’t make sense to me.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
trading to FIRST OVER ALL does
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s hoping 2012 has some scary good talent.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Of the few Leafs games I’ve watched this year, I thought Steeger was one of the stronger Leafs, along with Grabovski…This could still work, but yeah.. it’ll hurt before it gets better. You have to think this puts an end to any outside shot at the playoffs..
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Where does Philly get the cap room to do this? They’re right up at the limit
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well
he is unlikely to be re-signed by them given their cap situation, so it’s possible?
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
Never mind
They do. Capgeek was already updated
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Unless we are using this first rounder to get a first line centre, then i’m not a fan of this
"There is no big lie, no system. The universe is indifferent."- Don Draper
So essentially...
Burke has turned a first rounder (Tlusty) and two sixth rounders (Stalberg and DiDomenico) into a first and a third.
A) wasn’t stalberg a 4th?
B) You can’t think of them that way. They became what they were by the end.
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A) Stalberg was a sixth in 2006.
B) I think swapping two sixths for a third is a profit, especially when the first rounder we’re talking about is Tlusty.
Eventually you can’t identify players as what rounds they are in. Sjostrom was a first rounder. Martin St Louis was an unsigned free agent. Its not fair to give them those labels.
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Well its fair. Its just not a particularly useful outlook
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No, but someone’s going to bring it up anyway, so it might as well be me. And since I’m bringing it up, I’m going to correct myself:
The cost is actually a 1st (2006), a 6th (2007) and a 7th (2006). The 6th-round pick used on Stalberg was acquired for two 7th-round picks, one belonging to Toronto and the other acquired from Boston for the rights to Petr Tenkrat, whom the Leafs plucked off Columbus in a waiver draft.
Somebody needs to find what makes capgeek so efficient
And use it for better purposes. Versteeg is already off Toronto’s roster http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=4
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I don’t think Burke is this stupid.
I think he’s got bigger plans for these picks and might turn them into a better player.
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I’m going to go with this line of thinking
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Unless there are extenuating circumstances (e.g. Versteeg wanting out for some reason)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
This pretty much makes Philly the cup favorite if you ask me.
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do you really think so?
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by Archimedies on Feb 14, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. I honestly would be surprised if they don’t make it to the final again this year.
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by whyevenbother on Feb 14, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t make sense on its face. If you think Versteeg isn’t a big piece long-term you’d probably still hold onto him until you get a better offer. Not a UFA until after next year.
Either there’s something else going on, or it’s just a bad move.
bingo. This says to me that the Leafs were not crazy about resigning Versteeg past next season. Also means Burke is stepping away from his accelerated rebuild.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
that is my speculation as well.
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by Peter de Chatham on Feb 14, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Urgh. We give up Versteeg and get less back than Ottawa potentially could for Mike Fisher.
No, let me correct that. We give up a 24-year-old, 50-point, two-way forward and get back less than Mike Cunting Fisher cost the Nashville Prickmagnets to get from the Ottawa Senators, which doesn’t need additional profanity because everybody’s first thought on reading ‘Ottawa Senators’ should be ‘Fuck the Senators’.
Fuck that noise.
by Be26 on Feb 14, 2011 6:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, Mike Fisher gets more than Kris Versteeg and he gets moved outside the conference. What the hell is Burke thinking?
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He is older, with a larger contract and has never scored as much. Makes sense to me… NOT
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i think it has to do with the desperately desperate need for a centre in NSH. just my expert opinion
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Word is Carolina offered even more for Fisher…
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
Uncool Mike Fisher nickname.
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
No we have a concrete reason to cheer against Philly.
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 6:29 PM EST reply actions
They can be amusing, though.
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I like Philly.
/hides
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by whyevenbother on Feb 14, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well
The Leafs finally get that 1st round pick. Good luck to Versteeg in Philly!
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The Flyers could win the cup
A 30th over all is more similar to our second round (like 35th or so) then it is to our first (likely 5th or so)
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I know, but psychology will play a bit of a role in calming the waters considering we no longer lack a 1st round pick… and a late 3rd round pick… in a relatively weak draft…
Ugh…
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Mckenzie was just saying that burkie is already looking at moving the 3rd. something about tangible assets
A 25-30th pick and a third. Wow that is awful. Even if it’s part of something bigger, the return for Versteeg is still the return for Versteeg. God dammit.
by World's Worst Man on Feb 14, 2011 6:34 PM EST reply actions
well shit
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@tpanotch Sources tell CSNPhilly.com that Toronto wanted JVR for Versteeg but took 1st and 3rd round pick.
I feel like we didn’t get as much as we should have for Versteeg. I feel like a late round pick isn’t going to help us address the glaring need for top end talent. I feel like even if we get lucky, it’s unlikely that a 24th+ pick is as big for us as Versteeg could’ve netted us.
I want to find out there’s another part to this deal.
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couldnt we have gotten this deal on deadline day
shoudve looked FOR MORE arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
by torontocoltsfan on Feb 14, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Or that Burke plans on flipping the picks acquired. Which in my mind, is totally plausible and probable.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
not before the deadline. He’s only going to flip those picks if he can get a #1 center. Who is selling one of those at the deadline? No one. If he does make a move, it will be at the draft.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I was thinking the same thing…
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
They’d have to add money in free agency to simply get to the cap floor. Nothing they get in the draft or free agency will be as good as Spezza
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
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Didn't realize they were taht low in salary
Damn. Well we could send salary back…
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My only thought was that Kaberle + 1st could net us a pretty good prospect. Pure speculation, though, so I hesitate to walk down that road.
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Went over this with Burtch on the weekend.
If the Leafs want a top C prospect, they’ll have to pry it from a team that’s deep at C. I forget the complete list but I’ll try and dig it up, it was about 4-5 teams.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Here ya go
SJ
Vancouver
Dallas (if you include Ribiero)
Boston (before Savard was injured out)
Tampa (if you still include Vinny)
Coloardo
Philly
Those are teams with 2 or more…
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Right, and I didn’t want to get into trade speculation or anything – especially since, yet again, we see how futile it is – but we still have one major, tangible asset to sell off (Kaberle), and now we have a less-tangible asset that could be moved with him, which should make for a rather powerful potential deal, and could convince a team to mortgage the future to address needs at D now.
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Here's the list I was looking for- prospects included
Teams with good depth at C that have a top prospect C:
Boston (Joe Colbourne)
Carolina (Zac Dalpe)
Pittsburgh (Tom Kühnhackl)
Tampa Bay (Brett Connolly)
Detroit (Gustav Nyquist)
Colorado (Joey Hishon)
Vancouver (Cody Hodgson, Jordan Schroeder)
San Jose (Benn Ferriero)
Definition of top-prospect used is a player not playing in the NHL who is considered a top player in their league.
Feel free to include anything I missed.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Most of those players are supposed to be worse than Kadri…
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Whoa.
Kühnhackl’s a top prospect?
Freaking sweet.
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Meh. By the numbers.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, yeah.
I only just now read your definition.
There were definitely a few people over at PB who loved the heck out of him when he was picked (and still do). In fact, most of those folks seemed more excited about him than about Bennett (our first-rounder).
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Beau Bennett?
He has an awesome name
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But his name’s Beau. Like, pretty and stuff
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Kuhnhackl's is better, IMO.
I mean, I know that if I wouldn’t exactly have appreciated it if my parents had named me Beau…
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the only players on that list
I’d be interested in are Colborne, Nyquist, Dalpe, Schroeder, and maybe Ferriero.
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I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hishon is pretty good too.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think Schroeder would be a good target.
Vancouver’s loaded now and for the future at forward, so they can certainly afford to move him for a piece to help them win this year.
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i kinda like that idea, your so smart!
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
jason spezza. and dont you tell me hes not
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
he's also
on a team that has no depth at C… particularly since they just traded Fisher… no hope of landing him.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Because of the JVR rumours I’m a bit disappointed by this return. But maybe I’m not being realistic.
What’s actually kind of exciting to me here is that we may be looking at a traditional rebuild, and I have no problem waiting if there is a truly patient approach.
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Wow. I didn’t write the post that way, but perhaps this communicates my confusion even better.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Feb 14, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
For the record
I thought it was awesome.
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by NinjasFromSpace on Feb 14, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
what the actual fuck.
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What is a late first round pick worth?
Just for fun I looked at the 25-30th picks from 2000-2006. Out of 36 players only two were better than or as good as Versteeg (Corey Perry and Mike Green).
34/36 were worse, and only about half have become regulars NHLers.
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BOOM
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44% play 100 or more games and the average player is a fringe NHLer. Awesome…
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Suspicions
I have them.
Versteeg was getting third line time in Cup winning Chicago, then comes to the Leafs (who have very little talent up front) and gets – wait for it – third line minutes.
I thought Versteeg would be getting top 6 time.
With the emergence of Kulemin, Grabbo and Mac it looks like Kris didn’t fit into the plans.
Still, I think the return was low, especially considering where Philly is likely to draft. This one will fester unless Burke did this with more moves in mind.
I’ll reserve my judgment until after the trade deadline, but standing on its own this trade is a step backward.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:44 PM EST reply actions
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When you can say “Fuck this Shit” and have it all feel better?
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I tend to take the long view of things.
Knee jerk reactions aren’t my style.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
4th on the team at evens
4th on the team overall
2nd on the team on the PP
Not third line minutes at all, really
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Stats 1 and 2 are inflated by stat 3.
OH well, we hardly knew ye
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
yup, my bad
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
3rd line minutes?
he was 4th on the Leafs forwards in ice time.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
yah I goofed – rule #5
I never saw him playing with Kessel and the the Mac, Grab and Kulie line got gobs of ice time.
Must be all of the PP time that skewed his ice time.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
I had higher expectations of him when he was acquired. I expected him to elevate his game to another level and crack the 2nd line, and given the overall level of talent on the Leafs, possibly even work his way up to be a 1st line player. I’m sure that Burke and company had similar ideas as well. In the end, he looked to be settling into a 3rd line role here as well.
Not taking any potential big slumps into consideration, he could have ended up with 50 points again this season, which makes the trade somewhat disappointing, but I didn’t really see any big improvement in his game from last season, or even the beginning of the season. For me, that makes it a little easier to swallow.
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by CancerousRocket on Feb 14, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Kris Versteeg in Flyers orange.
Well, Burkie better have some grand plan he’s working on
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Yeah, seriously.
I’m ticked that you guys gave Philly that dude. What’s that, eight 10+ goal scorers this season for the Flyers now?
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This deal
confuses the shit out of me… unless Burke is building bridges for future trades I have no idea how this helps us… really how much better will a 1st rounder from the 25-30 range improve us in the next 2-3 years?
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I think I figured it out!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:47 PM EST reply actions
explain.
please… because based on all I’ve seen I’m confused.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Burkie’s master plan to prop up an Eastern contender so Vancouver doesn’t win the Cup!
Tampering FTW!!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
k
I don’t think that’s how they’re thinking… but I appreciate the comedy.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Tongue in Cheek
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
So Philly wins the Cup instead? I’m not sure I’m much happier with that idea…
(Burke might be though…lol)
Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!1
Stabbings and puking all around!
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’m feeling a lot like the girl in this video right now
http://youtu.be/vZ5P6RUvbVM
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To be fair, I didn’t expect the Leafs to get JVR for Versteeg. A potential 1st-2nd line power forward for a 3rd-line winger wouldn’t exactly sound good from the Flyers POV, but I still would love for it to happen. Nonetheless, we got a return for Versteeg. Many Flyers fans I’m finding don’t seem to like this deal either, so I don’t know.
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- Niels Bohr
I wonder if this trade has implications for our other “prime-aged” players (Grabovski, MacArthur, and Kulemin, in particular).
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
I think the implication is that they will be back next year, and Grabs will be signed to an extension.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
probably
for MacArthur… he’s getting $4 mill probably… Schenn is also up for a new deal… and he’ll get big money.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
MacA is an RFA
And we were guessing to high when we floated numbers for Kule. My guess is 9.5/3 years for MacA. 5 years 16 for Schenn
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we were guessing too high
on Kulie after a 36 point year… MacArthur is heading for 60+… I don’t think $4 mill is too high for that from a 25 year old.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
But
It is also a career year so he’ll be careful not to over pay (or so I hope). I guess we’ll have to wait and see, but I don’t expect it to crack 3.5
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this career year
terminology bothers me… you say that if a guy posts abnormal numbers when he’s in his late 20’s early 30’s… not when he’s 25.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Is Kulemin
having a career year? Is Grabovski? Nobody uses this terminology with the two of them… but we do with MacArthur…
if we’re going to keep saying that about MacArthur, start saying it about Kulemin and Grabovski also for consistency at least.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll say it. Grabovski is having a career year.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
so you don't think
it’s sustainable? He won’t do it again?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Two reasons
1) Kulemin’s career progressed on a more predictable pattern. MacA is playing much better than any prediction.
2) You talk about career years when people are signing contracts. I am just saying be careful wiht the contract because he does not have that much history of this kind of production. Players can have one hot year and it needs to be taken into account….
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Exactly, I would like to see MacA back next year but only in a 1-2 year deal tops, at fair market value, if he can repeat then by all means re-sign him long-term, if he blows, then we avoid a long-term mistake.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
The risk there
Is that if he repeats then we have to sign him nearly 5 mil (see Tomas Plecanek). The trick IMHO is 3 years. Lets us lock him up for a couple years if he continues, but doesn’t kill us forever if he doesn’t
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See I differ in opinion, I don’t mind paying someone market value, if they produce.
But keeping him for 3-years if he’s a dud is a waste of, cap space, a roster spot, and SPC.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
3 years - 4 years
at under market value takes him well into UFA status.
If you get him for a year, you’re paying closer to market value but he’ll do it because he gets to become UFA sooner.
You’ll pay way more on a short term deal in the long run if he is still this good in the foreseeable future.
There is NO reason to assume his season is a flash in the pan, none of his numbers are abnormally inflated compared to past years (other than his ice time… and that’s a natural progression).
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
There is NO reason to assume his season is a flash in the pan, none of his numbers are abnormally inflated compared to past years (other than his ice time… and that’s a natural progression).
See the simple fact of lack of history is SOME reason to assume. He doesn’t have enough history to demand full UFA value. Full UFA value for a 25 G 60 point player would be about 4 mill. As an RFA who has done it ONCE I think he’ll get less.
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Sure there is reason to believe this is a flash in the pan season. Historically he hasn’t shown he can put up these numbers.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
no
historically he hasn’t played these minutes… his numbers haven’t changed significantly… shots per 60, and shooting percentages are not that far off from where he’s been in the past, and his point production has increased with more PP time, and better linemates.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
which in reality
is almost exactly what happened with Kulemin… difference is… we developed Kulemin, MacArthur developed in Buffalo and Atlanta… that’s really the only major distinction. Also… Kulemin’s SH% has jumped way more than MacArthur’s.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
he was in a contract year last year
and didn’t suddenly boost his production… so I’m not sure this is logical.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
So to be clear, you are FOR signing him long-term?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
yes.
I am.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
if you believe that
go look at comparable deals for players at comparable ages… people apparently have no idea what the going rate is for talent around the NHL.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
i think we should move mac, deadline day might net a good return
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Nooooooo
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Are you guys serious?
Why no earth?!?!? What do you expect to get thats better?
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I’m quite curious about the return he would produce. Now that Versteeg and Beauchemin are gone I’m tempted to hope for more dynamite.
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-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Not sure about that
based on this season alone he shouldn’t.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Teams will argue he’s just having an outlier year. People also seem to value having stanley cup experience.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, the Flyers went to the Finals last year, so they have plenty of experience on their roster (even if they’re losers). Then again, I’m sure part of what they’re after is the Versteeg they saw during the Finals last year …
My feet are wet.
I think
Flyers are going for broke… then they blow it up like Chicago did.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
The Senator’s approach?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe. They definitely have a chance at the East this year. At the moment their strongest competition seems to be a team like Tampa Bay. And considering they probably wouldn’t meet until the Conference Finals, their experience from last year would absolutely come in handy.
Here’s hoping they fall out of contention in the first round, though. Please, hockey gods, please!
My feet are wet.
The problem with Tampa Bay is that the Flyers completely shit the bed each time they play the Lightning, ugh. I’m honestly frightened to meet them in the playoffs, small sample size be damned.
"Well, that's life, I suppose. You go along and then, suddenly...poof!"
Interesting. That is fantastic news. (sorry … Pens/Leafs fan here … hope every day that something bad will happen to the Flyers … and today that did not happen …)
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by clrkaitken on Feb 14, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I ain't no Leafer87.
When the Leafs and Pens play, I cheer for the Leafs.
And if the Leafs and Pens faced off in the playoffs, I’d cheer for the Leafs.
But I live in Pittsburgh now and have fairly easy access to reasonably-priced tickets.
Tell me you wouldn’t join in on the fun, too!!!
My feet are wet.
I was just about to say that sounded acceptable, but then I noticed your 4600 comments at PensBurgh and 100 at PPP.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Exposed.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
that ain’t right
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I find your answer perfect
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Haha. Y’all talk too much over here. It’s beyond me how I’m supposed to both write a dissertation and keep up with the comments around here. Which of course probably means that my priorities are screwed up, and I should stop with the PhD pursuits. I know. You’re so totally right about all of this :)
(To put it in perspective, this thread already has 1.5 times more comments than the Pensburgh game day thread from Sunday …).
My feet are wet.
Game Theory meets Philosophy of Language. In fact I’m working on it right now. In the sense that I have a bunch of papers strewn about my desk in my office, and I happen to also be located in my office. Hockey news is very distracting!
My feet are wet.
You just got busted, little missy
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Oh I’m sorry, we talk too much?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
You should be sorry. If you could just tone it down a little, I’d be better able to keep up with the ins and outs of the Leafs season. I blame you for my current affair with the Pittsburgh Penguins.
My feet are wet.
but we have cookies
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Wait, you’re a Leafs fan? Huh.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
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ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
You didn’t know this?
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I guess not.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
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Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
the pens fan didn’t even know you’re a leafs fan? shame! :P
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
OHHHHHHHHHHH BURN!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Get out!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
HEY
I would cheer for us too!
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by Leafer87 on Feb 14, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yes
easily.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
/cringe
yes.
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
They really only have to ditch Leino, Zherdeve in the off season
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zherdev
is a pump and dump for sure… Leino is the hard one to lose.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Mac isn't signed
That will lower his value. Though he is an RFA….
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do you honestly think
you’d get a player significantly better than a 65-70 point winger that is 25 years old?
If you do, you’re dreaming in technicolour.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
here's a thought...
Kaberle + Philly’s 1st and 3rd for our 1st back from Boston
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
………..could happen
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Thought about that. Not too thrilled with the idea, since not too many of the top prospects look like they’ll be immediately NHL-ready, and we’re definitely not beating EDM to the bottom, and we should be trying to add someone in their early 20s, rather than 18.
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Maybe we could give someone an enormous offer sheet if we get our pick back :)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure we already could. RFA period comes after the draft, so we would be moving 2012, 13, 14 picks.
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No way Burke goes the offer sheet route.
He could have done it for Kessel and saved a first rounder.
No he couldn't
Because Boston would have just signed him to the offer sheet. Boston has the right to take it. Then he would hav emade an enemy of a GM.
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He’s on record about hating it when teams drastically overpay players (via an offer sheet) I think.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’d argue that he’s on record as hating it when it is done to him and exposes his errors in signing Bertuzzi and Schneider to huge deals that prevented him from matching the Penner offer.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t have matched it either… Also if I were Buffalo I wouldn’t have matched Vanek’s offer.
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by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that’s a fairly small sample size of official statements re: offer sheets given to his players. You might need additional examples before reading into it so much ;)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Nashville
also could have offered him more on an offersheet… and then gotten him that way.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
holy crap no
I’m all for undoing mistakes, but exactly how many assets are we supposed to burn off to get back 1/2 of what we gave up in the Kessel deal.
I have three thoughts on this deal as it stands.
1 — something else is brewing. Flip Philly’s picks in a second deal to land a really big fish? They just cleared $3M, remember.
2 — Burke is going full rebuild. Which makes me be a mixture of relieved (to be vindicated) and furious (that he burned off two years to start it)
3 — Burke is not impressed with Versteeg and thought he was getting a lot more offense
I have no idea which is which, or which one i’m hoping for. Because in and of itself, this deal in conjunction with everything else he’s done in the past 18 months makes very little sense.
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
Why does everyone act like what he has done in the last couple years is not a rebuild
He has restocked our prospect pool and brought in ~4 players older than 25…
Also
how many assets are we supposed to burn off to get back 1/2 of what we gave up in the Kessel deal.
In what way did we get half back? We gave 3 picks and our firsts will be much higher than the one we get back
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The media tells people it’s not a rebuild, so it’s not a rebuild.
But if it walks like a duck…
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It’s probably Alex Ovechkin.
/smirks
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough
i’m really not trying to start his argument again, but he hasn’t done the “suck for a long time>get high picks>get good players>be good” rebuild
he has “rebuilt” the team by restocking, and at the very least getting younger, yes.
at any rate, this deal just doesn’t make a lot of sense, by itself. I’m really doubting that Burke has changed his mind, and a deal like this just screams “fire sale”
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I don’t mind this deal. Maybe Burke did not see Versteeg fitting into the top six going foward. I think the price is a little low for Versteeg, but this isn’t an awful kick to the crotch.
by bradleyhutchison on Feb 14, 2011 6:49 PM EST reply actions
it's
now Stalberg, DiDomenico, and Tlusty for a 1st and a pick… so we dealt a first rounder in the NHL and another NHL caliber 5th rounder + a once decent prospect for a 1st and another pick?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Eh. I don’t think it’s fair to do that style of analysis; Tlusty was looking like a bust by the time we had moved him.
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he's still playing in the NHL
bust or not.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
and I don't see how it's not fair...
I just don’t feel like it’s a move up… and Philly doesn’t have their 1st rounder this year, so is it NEXT year’s pick?
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
once picks become players, throw that garbage out.
Potential value does not equal realized value. You know that.
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
This and the Beach trade make it seem like Burke got a behind the doors extension to his contract and is starting from scratch.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Or he was offered the GM job in Philly.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Why didn’t he trade Bobby Ryan to Toronto when he was back in OC.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Mixed thoughts. It gives us a chance to pick someone with upside that might suit our needs more (e.g. a power forward) but it’s obviously a risk late in the first round.
Pretty stunning turnaround in philosophy from Burke though on this and the Beauchemin trade.
we have
been doing nothing but signing and drafting potential power forwards for 2 years now… we can’t just keep fixating on that.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty stunning turnaround in philosophy from Burke though on this and the Beauchemin trade.
This is exactly why I can’t believe the final result for Versteeg is a first and a third. Anaheim has younger prospects, anaheim has draft picks. But we took a 22 year old.
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Fire Wilson...
…and Burke, unless
a) those late picks are needed for another deal…
b) …which gets us something better than Phaneuf.
Seriously, these guys have had three seasons and two sets of players. They are not getting it done. There’s no improvement and no real plan to get better. I could tolerate 5 years without playoffs or even another 5 if it was getting us somewhere, but this is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Are you serious? Burke has refilled our prospect pool and made us the youngest (or second youngest depending on who is dressed) team in the league. We may not be good now, but he took over a team in shambles and has rebuilt a foundation. Wilson can go…
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ok do we have details?
because Philly lost their 1st rounder in the Pronger deal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
so if it's for a 1st
it’s not even THIS year’s.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
which makes it worse
somehow.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
TSN.ca is saying it’s a 2011 first
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
It is.
Pronger was traded for Emerson Etem (29th last year).
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I though Philly gave up their firsts in ’09 & ’10 for Pronger.
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
2009-Jun-26 Traded from Anaheim Ducks with Ryan Dingle to Philadelphia Flyers for Luca Sbisa, Joffrey Lupul, conditional draft pick, round 1 pick in the 2009 draft (John Moore) and round 1 pick in the 2010 draft
From Pronger’s hockeydb page: http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=4397
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Guh. That should have beenquoted not struckout
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
It has been confirmed that both of these picks are 2011, so your info isn’t correct.
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ok so
it wasn’t the 2011 pick? it was 2009 and 2010?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Confirmed, check below.
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It's this year.
I wish it was for next year. Deeper draft, and we don’t know as much how Philadelphia would finish next year.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Burke is loading up for a shot at next years John Tavares
if he does plan on tanking next year, this could turn out pretty good, especially after philly has their cup winning fire sale and finnishes mid pack next year
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Pronger's H-R
June 26, 2009: Traded to Philadelphia by Anaheim with Ryan Dingle for Joffrey Lupul, Luca Sbisa, Philadelphia’s 1st round choices in 2009 (later traded to Columbus – Columbus selected John Moore) and 2010 (Emerson Etem) Entry Drafts and future considerations, June 26, 2009.
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k
thanks… sorry… I thought they dealt it… I’m still confused… but less so now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Looking it upon prosportstransactions.com
The Flyers gave up their 2009 and 2010 1st picks to get Pronger.
However, the 3rd round pick is Pittsburgh’s I think…the Flyers gave up their 2011 3rd rounder (also in the Pronger deal)
Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!1
I think Pittsburgh gave up a 3rd rounder for Hamhuis’ rights (before the trade deadline last year). But I can’t remember which year it was.
My feet are wet.
It's for 2011
And according to that site, that’s the 3rd round pick the Leafs are getting…(unofficially but it’s the only 2011 3rd the Flyers had)
Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!1
It wasn’t before the trade deadline, it was before the UFA deadline
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Just checked
Philly traded the 09 and 10 first, not the 11 first. We’re fine.
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As a Leafs fan I am taking the wait and see approach
"Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants won't help." Calvin and Hobbes
As a Leafs fan I am taking the wait andseelose approach
Fixed
Smoke Weed Every Day.
by Archimedies on Feb 14, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That was implied.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be more pleased if it’s used to trade up this summer for more of a real blue chip guy. At the minute I’m not totally against it, but it seems a little sideways.
/commonsense’d
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
He costs $3M against the cap. A pick costs nothing.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
This has been the only possible rationale to this I can think of: Kaberle plus Versteeg at the deadline is impossible capwise… Kaberle plus pick yields great young player. (So this would be a way of converting Versteeg’s value into something packageabe).
/grasping at straws
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–Seamus Borschevsky
by Berezin's Spleen on Feb 14, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hm. This is a possibility. I suppose we’ll see if something else shows up. (Then again, why the rumours that Burke was looking to trade Versteeg for JVR?)
My feet are wet.
Because if you get JVR, you get the first from somewhere else. OR, if you get JVR, you no longer need Kaberle + the 1st to move.
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I dunno, I’m not sure that the Flyers were looking to get rid of JVR.
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If they pull a chicago
they may have to get rid of a bunch of players in the off season. Leino is the first to go in all likelihood.
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- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I know, one team
but
" If they pull a chicago"
Oh my god, I hope they don’t.
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GOOD ASSET MANAGEMENT: Trading a 20 goal scorer, a decent NHL prospect, and a longshot for a 20 goal scorer, and then trading that 20 goal scorer for #25 at best and a fucking 3rd.
Uh, who was the 20 goal scorer we traded?
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
He hasn’t scored 20
He scored 9 last year and is on pace for 12
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
…who has a career high of 9. So, potential 20-goal scorer, which is a rather different thing.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
You really can't do that
A player can play hot in 40 games. Its one thing to take an average for a player that has played more than 82 games. Its another to prorate a guy on a total of 40 games. He has played at a ~20 goal pace. Thats all you can say..
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But Jeremy Williams was an 82-goal per year winger for three straight seasons.
If three straight seasons isn’t a large enough sample size, I don’t know what is.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Stalberg
will be a 20 goal scorer in the future probably.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
He has 17 in his 92 games, so it’s possible he tops out at 20 when he’s healthy, sure. I get that he had a good last year in college, and he was good for us, but the injuries appear to be a concern.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Besides Versteeg
Who scored 20 goals that we traded?
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
He's repeating the same argument
I made above about Tlusty, Stalberg, and DiDomenico.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I understand trading a few picks for a proven goal scorer (Kessel), and maybe he hasn’t lived up to his value. That’s a fine risk in my mind. But trading a proven 20 goal scorer for a 1st and a third? W. T. F.
Also, Stalberg, Paradis, DiDo for Versteeg.. Paradis/Tlusty were 1st round picks higher than Philly’s will be… Dido and Stalberg are only worth a third? Stalberg??
Paradis
Was 27th overall. So he may not be higher htan the pick will be…
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and we knew paradis was never going to turn into anything special
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
The worst part is that this is on par with the return than Mike Fisher got, and probably less than the best offer the Sens got for him (Carolina’s offer, according to Friedman).
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
On par if the Preds meet the Flyers in the Finals, you mean.
I’m still hoping Fisher turns into a 14th overall pick.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
But then you don’t get the other pick right? No playoff round wins = no additional pick?
But ya, I’d rather pick mid round than have a late first and a third.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Correct. Ottawa only gets a 3rd rounder if the Preds make Round two (which means only a 23rd-26th overall), and a 2nd rounder if they make the WCF (which would be coupled with a 27th-28th).
So I say:
Go Flames Go
Go Hawks Go
Go Minny Go
and so on…
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
TSNBobMcKenzie: I am hearing Leafs will keep the 1st rounder but are trying to move the 3rd rounder for a tangible asset who can play now.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 6:59 PM EST reply actions
Saw that too.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Move the 3rd for a roster player? Really?
In a league where Dominic Moore costs a 2nd, what kind of garbage are we going to add to our roster?
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Steven Stamkos?
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Burke: “We traded for Stephen Stamkos.”
Fans: “Umm, is that a typo?”
Burke: “No”
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ok this is absurd
I have no idea how adding a 25-30 pick in exchange for Versteeg makes sense.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Stumped as well.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Clearing cap space?
that doesn’t make much sense to me… I seriously don’t get this.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
He MUST have a trade in the works for an expensive high end guy.
Scares me how much that will potentially cost us in terms of picks/prospects/players.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Lecavalier?
is that even worth scaring people with? I guess I just did.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
If you really wanted to scare people you would’ve said, “Scott Gomez”.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
It’s Scott Gomez who uses the stick that says “Wayne Gretzky”, right?
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
According to his stat line, there’s little indication that Scott Gomez uses a stick at all.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We can track this down
How many mid to small market teams have an expensive forward locked up to at least 2 more years and is planning a rebuild and can use picks.
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Who wants to make this list?
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Voracek
is more likely from Columbus.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
No thanks.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'd do that for a 3rd
but I doubt burke has any interest.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Only for a third.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Filatov definitely averaged around 12-13 mins a game
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ottawa- Spezza 7mil for the next 4
Dallas – Richards – expires this year
Tampa – Lecavalier 7.75 ish until forever
Colorado – Paul Stastny 6.6 until 13/14
List ends.
Some other teams could probably rebuild, but their marquee players are their captains and will not be traded – Columbus – Nash as an example
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Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Spezza-people point out he isn’t moving because they moved Fisher
Dallas-Richards probably won’t be moved because they are doing to well
Vinny-Has an NTC so he doesn’t wnat to go anywhere
Stastny-Is the kinda guy you build around. He ain’t being moved.
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Colorado
has problems in the short term due to injury, but at C they have Duchene and Stastny… and O’Reilly… I don’t know if they’re keeping all of the above, but I would if I was them.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Maaaaybe
O’Reilly is available… But I wouldn’t want him
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I heard Forsberg ran out of things to do in Denver.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
so he retired.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying they’re going to move Statsny, but I think I’d rather build around Duchene. Damn he’s sick.
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
I have mentioned it before, but Paul Stastny is the guy I think Burke should target. And I think Colorado would actually consider moving him.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
I would love to have Stastny on this team. I don’t think we’ll get him, but I would be head over heels to get him.
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Colorado is a cap floor team and Stastny is signed for another 3 years @ 6.6m per year. They’ll have to re-sign Duchene next summer, and they’ll obviously have to give him a similar amount of money. They’re also going to need to pay for a UFA goalie and re-sign a few other guys as well.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Yeah, they may look to move him. But they’re strong on defensive prospects (Shattenkirk, Elliott both 8.0Cs on HF), and have Pickard and Grahame at goal. So it’s a question of whether or not they want Stastny to start the line of “opening the pocketbooks to retain assets” or whether they want to defer it for a couple years. I’m not sure they have the assets to replace Stastny if they choose to defer it.
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You do realize
the C thing means they may not pan out right? Shattenkirk looks like a solid player… not surprisingly… but overall? if they hadn’t had injury issues they’d be in the playoffs methinks.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, but to me, it also means that unless an organization has found a reason to lose faith in the prospect, it’s likely that they’ll consider that player a viable long-term option.
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hmm
we had Stephanovich listed as a 7.5C until he went to the KHL… so I dunno if that means anything… I also think Hodgson is still highly rated…
HockeysFuture has Leo Komarov still on the Leafs list…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
And I don’t think having HF rate someone as an 8.0C means they would absolutely reject (or even “not be targeting”) a defenseman. But it’s probably the most accurate we can get as far as health of an organization goes without surveying fans (assuming they even know anything). It just seems like the appeal of a COL-TOR trade would almost exclusively be in our ability to eat cap space. Which I’m fine with, but I’m just toying around with a little more.
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Just remember Reimer was projected to be a 6.5C IIRC when we drafted him, now his rating has gone up.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Based on what?
What on earth could they want thats going ot be better than a PPG first line C
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easy
Expensive forward… small to mid market… Brad Richards.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
I’d take Lecavalier ANY day.
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't
he’s way-over priced… and he’s signed for the next millenium
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
MAYBE WE SIGN KOLALCHUNK IN THE OFFSEASON11!11
by Ben Schnell on Feb 14, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If I had to guess, Burke is either A) pooling assets to make a run at a #1 center this summer or B) taking the rebuild in a different direction
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
that covers all the bases, unless you throw in senility
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Maggie the monkey is directing our trades from behind the scenes with the help of a giant hat full of names.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
what
possible direction? Do we think he’s given up on building from the net out? Is he building an elevator to the moon now?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
yes
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
I like all these jokes from you, Steve. It makes me think that maybe you’re drinking heavily right now.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
School night…
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
no
I’m not at all… I actually have a sense of humour believe it or not.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
It’s good to have a sense of humour on a day like this :)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Bright side...
maybe he is clearing more cap space to re-sign Kabs?
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
any chance
Versteeg requested the move?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
his car was
vandalized… there were rumours he wasn’t happy.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
We probably won’t hear the truth about that until after the season is over.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
If he can’t take finger-writing and spit, then he’s welcome to go.
But you ask an interesting question, because it’s not like he signed here as a free agent.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
If Burke didn’t like the return, though, why didn’t he keep waiting? He has two weeks. I get the impression that his price was met.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Maybe Burke mistook the orange in the uniforms for the Islanders, and figured the first rounder would be a pretty good one.
My feet are wet.
maybe he knows something we don't
and the Flyers are one and done in the playoffs so it’s a mid round 1st?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
If the Flyers win the President’s Trophy, the best this draft pick could be is 26th. (Making the final four puts it somewhere between 27th and 30th).
Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!1
Interesting. I didn’t realize the PT had that effect (I thought the playoff teams were ranked based on their points + playoff exit).
My feet are wet.
I haven't looked
at how it works recently… I just know the final four teams are ranked by their finish… regular season is relevant probably.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
They picked 26th because they were the best of the 2nd round losers.
It’s all about the playoffs, baby.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Was that Washington? Or Pittsburgh?
oh right, it was pitts, they beat ottawa..
so why do they pick at 26?
Read LeafBoy's post
Draft order
1. Non-playoff teams in reverse order of regular season finish (except draft lottery in 1st round)
2. Playoff teams that didn’t win the division in reverse order of regular season finish
3. Division winners in reverse order of regular season finish
4. The two Conference Finals teams that didn’t go to the Stanley Cup final in reverse order of regular season finish
5. The Stanley Cup runner-up
6. The Stanley Cup champion
As they were the top division winner (president’s trophy) they only pick before the final 4
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Draft order
1. Non-playoff teams in reverse order of regular season finish (except draft lottery in 1st round)
2. Playoff teams that didn’t win the division in reverse order of regular season finish
3. Division winners in reverse order of regular season finish
4. The two Conference Finals teams that didn’t go to the Stanley Cup final in reverse order of regular season finish
5. The Stanley Cup runner-up
6. The Stanley Cup champion
Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!1
ok
so that means if Philly wins their Division they are picking in the top 8 at worst? They could still lose it to Pittsburgh.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
and if they don't win
their division they’re probably the best of the remaining teams… which means they pick 21st at best for us.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
What the shit??
Kaberle + 1st and a 3rd for Schenn? There has to be something more to this deal as it seems counter intuitive to Burke’s game plan to date…
That might be possible
except it’s WAY too much.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
since Schenn
was a 1st last year… adding Kaberle and a 3rd to his value seems fucking ridiculous.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
He was a 5th over all and this first is likely to be 20 picks lower. Kaberle would potentially be a rental. And a 3rd isn’t much. I don’t know if that is enough…
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Certified Kule lover!
Still
think it’s too much.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Right.
Throw Kadri and another mid-high prospect and maybe.
But I agree with your statement, there must be something more to this deal.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I don't actually think LA will part with Schenn
But one can dream because there has to be more here, right? Right?!!?!
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Brayden Schenn is unlikely to move anywhere.
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or Zigomanis
or Mueller… or Hanson
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
ok then
Hanson it is.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. Were screwed in Boston. Incoming “thank you Kessel”. That and a Seguin hat trick to spark his scoring ability.
Always the Leafs.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Last game was Seguin’s first in five where he had more than 10:00 in ice time. He has 18 points, good for 17th in rookie scoring. I can’t imagine the tear-down he would be getting from the Star/Sun/Fan folks if he was doing that here.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Oh of course.
Im just saying he’ll somehow score and get two points or something against the Leafs.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
Even IF Toronto somehow finds a diamond in the rough it will be YEARS until the reap the benefits of this trade. And thats a massive IF.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
yeah
this is trading a relatively sure thing for a shot in the dark… I don’t get it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
DarrenDreger Darren Dreger
Lots of interest in MacArthur, but Toronto is in no rush to move in. Leafs need players.
I hope we don’t move Mac. Seriously hope we don’t.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
Was just about to post that.
What’s going on here?
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
if this happens
I’m actually going to begin to lose faith in Burke et al. This move may have already started that.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I still like Burke and company and was never really on the Fire Ron Wilson bandwagon, but WHAT IS THIS.
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I guess MacArthur for Washintons first would fit the trend here.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
First and third..?
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Unless
He can play 2C, it won’t happen.
"If they could figure out a way to channel my anger, they could solve the energy crisis."
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by Steck It Out on Feb 14, 2011 7:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get this?
Backstrom is 1C and Laichs is 2C. Where is the problem?
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if we get a late 1st for him, i say don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, Mac! He’s only got a few months left on his contract, and he’s having a career year that he may very well not repeat.
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 14, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
he's 25 years old
wtf is with this career year b.s. people keep saying.
He’s not a 30 year old journeyman… this is the first time in his career he’s played over 15 minutes a game regularly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you.
Trading Mac would be a garbage move. We wouldn’t even get as much back as Versteeg did (multiple 20g scorer, stanley cup experience).
If someone wants two second round picks from a playoff team, then by all means, trade Mac.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Do you know the likelihood of a late first panning out?
I really don’t think you do…
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Certified Kule lover!
about as high
as a high 2nd rounder… which we’ve already got thanks to our shitty regular season… now we’ve got 2 of them! yay!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I know you (Steve) knows. I don’t think Peter de Chatham does.
The answer is 44% of 25-30 picks play 100 NHL games
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Certified Kule lover!
wrote an article about the value of the draft picks traded.
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/1/26/1957923/the-value-of-our-lost-and-gained-draft-picks
According to the work I did in my article, the Leafs were behind the equivalent of a late 1st round pick in terms of picks, under Burke`s tenure. Now, in terms of picks acquired, it`s a wash.
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 14, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
and I simply continued on from your work, too, BCapp.
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 14, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t get to watch Toronto very often these days, but … I know MacArthur is having a good season, all things considered. But is there reason to believe this season isn’t just an anomaly for him? I think so, but I’m curious what some of you might think. Someone suggested him as a possibility for Pittsburgh and I wasn’t buying it at the time (not to mention that I would have been surprised if TOR would part with him).
My feet are wet.
From Steve Burtch, above.
(only 25 years old, playing 15+ minutes for the first time in his career)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
he isn't an anomaly
he’s actually proven very effective this year… people tried earlier this year to argue that he is riding the coattails of Grabovski and Kulemin, but he had 1st assists on over 70% of the goals scored by the line… he is a good set up man, his speed helps on the forecheck, he has good vision, and he knows where to go on the ice.
MGK is one of the top 6 lines in the NHL at ES this season… if that surprises you don’t worry… you’re not alone… most people don’t realize it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
G & K
Aren’t on expiring contracts and we’ve been able to watch their development over a longer period of time than MacArthur.
It’s all aesthetic.
Smoke Weed Every Day.
yep
I realize this… I just think it’s a misleading asthetic.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Philly?
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Broadstreet hockey feels like they gave up a ton. Massive overvaluing of a late round first pick over there.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
ok so they're idiots
that’s not news to me… lol… Philadelphia is a fun town, but I’m not sure their sports fans make sense.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
they are also concerned about the impact on the salary cap. We hate it, they hate it…means value is probably about right for the deal.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Or someone’s wrong. I like that option more.
I kid, partially, but someone mentioned “taking talent away from Phili in the future” – I do think they’re overvaluing the draft pick a little bit.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
The only cap issue I can see (from a fair distance, mind you), is that if Boucher were to get hurt, they’d have trouble calling up Leighton.
Counterpoint: wouldn’t the Isles claim him on re-entry anyway?
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
they have to resign Nodl and Leino, and I think maybe a few more. They’re going to get hit with the overflow from the bonus cushion this year too.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
They’ve probably got someone heading out.
This is where a witty signature might go.
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I don't "hate it"
I’m baffled by it… I don’t see how Burke can value a late 1st rounder and a 3rd above Versteeg’s contributions… although he is -19 or something so maybe I’m overvaluing his contributions.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
-13, -0.74 BtN rating.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
yeah
his D may have been over-rated… he contributed more on the PP than the PK… which was part of what they were advertising when he came in.
But I thought he and Armstrong were the makings of a solid 3rd line duo.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
The only way this trade makes any sense – and I personally think the return was too low- is if Burke does not care about the competitiveness of the next two seasons. Versteeg turns 25 this May.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
And he clearly said he wants to keep us competitive while getting younger. This isn’t a way to do it. Has to be something else to it. Doesn’t make sense otherwise.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
He says a lot of things. The Beauchemin trade might fit his statement, but as you state, this one doesn’t. I’m inclined to believe that the failures this season have pushed his timetable back a few years.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Ya, I think it was evident when he said something to the effect of, “I think we’ve established that the group of players we have is not going to play out of this funk” a few months ago.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
The other important thing to consider is that Burke’s motivations for speaking may not always be informational.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Where my heart belongs – GO LEAFS GO!
You’re a Leafs fan though
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Ask me on March 1st. Hell, maybe ask me on July 1st.
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Is that when you plan on waking up after passing out drinking tonight? :)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
from another forum:
“|Yeah in the context of “Is Brian Burke a confused man?” I’d like to point out that he traded Tlusty for A Warm Body and then at the deadline traded Ponikarovsky for a player that in age, build, and AHL production was literally Jiri Tlusty and saying we needed players like that in our system."
I am hearing Leafs will keep the 1st rounder but are trying to move the 3rd rounder for a tangible asset who can play now.
McKenzie
I think Burke’s gone mad.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
“Sources say.”
It makes me think that he’s got a plan for that first. I’d be absolutely shocked if the Leafs use Philidelphia’s selection on draft day.
This is where a witty signature might go.
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From what I’ve seen, the pick projects to be Boone Jenner (plays for Oshawa) and I live in Oshawa, seen him play a lot. Very good player, if we keep the pick, we’ll be very happy with Jenner, he’s very much a Burke type player.
by ILTN on Feb 14, 2011 7:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I have a friend who’s playing for Oshawa, saw him play a couple times. Jenner is a fairly solid player, definitely good two ways.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
By the time Jenner is ready to play in the NHL Burke will probably be long gone.
Being a Leafs fan makes me bipolar.
I purely speculate that Burke realizes his concept of a rebuild on the fly is a bust. Without a playoff run next year, Burke knows his own head is on the chopping block. And without Beauchemin and Versteeg, such a run is ever less likely.
Ergo, Burke will do a tanking year and take the fall. Nonis takes over.
Unless, somehow, Burke’s got a deal in the works to grab a 1st line C or LW power forward to play with Kessel, probably from a non-contender this year, like Ottawa. Even then, with Beauch gone…
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 14, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling a full rebuild is on it’s way.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I like this trade...
as long as it means Burke is giving up on the ridiculous ‘rebuild on the fly’ bullshit and starts building the right way.
Now lets go tank for the 1st overall pick in next years draft.
by Brad Ackerson on Feb 14, 2011 7:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
well done, RT’d it
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
Maybe Burke just got a secret offer to become the GM of the Flyers during the off season.
My feet are wet.
that would be interesting
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Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
You would think if Burke was willing to trade Versteeg… he’d have no hesitation in trading Giguere. He has far less value on the team than Versteeg.
Contains the correct levels of Truculence....
yes but some desperate team might want a goalie
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
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- waves at the Islanders *
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
why would a team that’s not in contention trade for Giguere when the UFA goalie crop for 2011 is a bumper?
the only teams that might trade for Giggy are playoff teams who need depth in goal. As I posted before, these teams are:
Dallas Stars – $7.7 mil space,
Nashville Predators – $8,8 mil space,
Phoenix Coyotes – $9.3 mil space,
Tampa Bay – $10 mil in space,
Colorado Avalanche – $16 mil in space,
Atlanta Thrashers – $17.7 mil in space,
Since then, the preds took on Fishers salary, so there’s no room for Giguere, and Tampa took on Roloson, and the other teams seem stable in goal. So, barring any injuries, Giguere walks for nothing this summer.
Scoring by committee FTMFW!
by Peter de Chatham on Feb 14, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
why would a team that’s not in contention trade for Giguere when the UFA goalie crop for 2011 is a bumper?
Why do the Islanders do anything they do, really?
My feet are wet.
Colorado isn’t stable but htey are pretty far out. Also remember some salary will probably come back.
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Certified Kule lover!
For the record
According to Cap Geek this is the list of teams with room for Giggy:
Ottawa Senators " $57,088,437 $2,311,563 — $7,817,286
New York Rangers " $57,005,734 $2,394,266 — $8,096,972
Los Angeles Kings " $55,258,187 $4,141,813 — $14,006,859
Anaheim Ducks " $55,122,096 $4,277,904 — $14,467,094
Toronto Maple Leafs " $53,699,870 $4,300,130 — $14,542,258
Buffalo Sabres " $55,094,116 $4,305,884 — $14,561,717
Columbus Blue Jackets " $54,129,424 $5,270,576 — $17,824,130
Dallas Stars " $52,617,540 $6,782,460 — $22,937,047
Florida Panthers " $50,880,801 $8,519,199 — $28,810,382
Nashville Predators " $50,826,142 $8,573,858 — $28,995,229
Phoenix Coyotes " $50,289,516 $9,110,484 — $30,810,000
Carolina Hurricanes " $49,836,394 $9,563,606 — $32,342,377
Tampa Bay Lightning " $49,092,198 $10,307,802 — $34,859,112
Edmonton Oilers " $45,813,091 $13,232,409 — $44,749,601
St. Louis Blues " $46,067,580 $13,332,420 — $45,087,820
Colorado Avalanche " $42,599,668 $16,800,332 — $56,815,668
New York Islanders " $41,589,151 $17,810,849 — $60,233,053
Atlanta Thrashers " $41,432,535 $17,967,465 — $60,762,700
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Certified Kule lover!
17 other teams. Most of the league hahaha.
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
they talked about it thought, and Giggy said he’d be fine if it happened
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OK how about ....
Trade Kaberle to a cup contender for a 1st.
Trade MacArthur to a cup contender for a 1st.
(Hold on – hear me out)
Now we have three late first round picks. We trade all three to the Islanders or Oilers for their 1st.
No. There are no immediate impact players in this years draft.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
The 1st round
this year is supposed to be average at best… why are we banking on picks from this year’s draft?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Same with last year, hence the drafting off the board.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
no
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
you know what this means...
MOAR LEBDA ON THE PP
EMBRACE TANK NATION WITH OUR LATE FIRST ROUNDERS
/shoots self
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Thanks. Pretty sure I won’t sleep tonight now…Visions of Tyler Seguin breakaways on the PK will be filling my head…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
This might be a god send for me though. I haven’t had a player to yell at on a consistent basis every time he hit the ice since Aki Berg. This will relieve stress and possibly give me a good laugh occasionally.
by Canadian Eh? on Feb 14, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
ZOMG, Aki. I used to enjoy time spent yelling at jyrki lumme
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
They had nothing on Cory Cross.
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll forever love Cory for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTPUQGDMsbo
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Cereal?
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
wtf
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
This may also be part of the reason
he did talk a lot… seemed opinionated… who knows … but to me the personality clash/possible trade request makes the most sense as a reason.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
they seemed to like that in Phaneuf.
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Phaneuf’s captain though.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
yes, but that’s part of the reason he became captain, wasn’t it? (being vocal and stuff)
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Too bad actions speak louder than words.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
When Versteeg came into the dressing room for the first time, he left the tunes the exact at the volume they were already at
Smoke Weed Every Day.
he had character, i dont think it was a personality clash.
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
well
we don’t know what’s going on in the room… but yeah… I’m looking for possible reasons for the trade… that seems like a possibility?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Of course its possible, I just think the request for a trade seems like the more plausible sitch
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
heh, he thought his car was vandalized here, wait till he gets to philly.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
It’ll be gone altogether.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
One time last winter, I was sitting in my apartment here and I heard an explosion followed in quick succession by another.
I looked out my window to see two cars on fire in the building parking lot. A cop came by, did nothing, and walked away.
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
What was the cop going to do?
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you know. See who was blowing up cars in the parking lot or something?
Serve and protect me?
I don’t know.
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
philly
has had a lot of cops killed if I recall… I don’t blame him for walking away.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t get this deal unless, as others are saying, it’s part of a bigger deal brewing. The Leafs have tons of cap space, and Versteeg seems likely to be a very effective NHLer for at least a few more years. I really don’t understand how the best return available for Versteeg was worse than the return on Mike Fisher, who is an older, less useful player with a higher cap hit.
As I said in another thread, Versteeg would be one of the top 3 goal scorers on about half the teams in the league. Surely a guy who could be a first-line forward on a bunch of teams is worth more than a late first rounder?
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I think that’s the common thread from most of us… this deal makes no real sense.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely one of these
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Probably been said but
I have no expectation Burke will sit with this pick. Expect him to trading up, which is impossible to do without a 1st to start with. 3rds are useful for those cap $$ trades he likes so much.
But fans were bitchin’ about a lack of picks, now we got some …
The problem is most people over value late firsts. 44% play 100 NHL games in their careers!!!!
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
Certified Kule lover!
shrug… then the scouts better get some work done then. I wuld guess, TO will pick in the high teens when this is all done
don't see
how this is going to turn into a player that’s likely to be better than Versteeg.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
xx
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Certified Grabbo Lover
by Future_considerations on Feb 14, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Ama…
THIS ISN’T A FEVER
…zing grace…
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Umm, would you like to try that… a little simpler maybe?
No.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
In a mediocre draft, yaaaaay.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
wait a minute!
Steeg’s gone to the Flyers and to purposely sabotage the rest of their season, thus ensuring a higher draft pick! It all makes sense now! … right?
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
wait
that’s a good idea… total knee injuries to every guy on the flyers roster!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
To make Pronger ineffective all he needs to do is disable his metal elbows.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the player we draft will learn enough as a career AHLer to become an kick-ass hockey dad. He’ll be so grateful to the Leafs that he’ll raise his son (the next Crosby) to be a die-hard Leafs fan.
The son will be drafted by the Las Vegas Casinos in 2028 and we’ll cry a little.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Mueller?…. Mueller?….. Mueller?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hanson the Great
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Based on his Ogie Oglethorpe cheapshotting of little kid Brian Lee, that’s what.
by Spezzal Teams Playa on Feb 14, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
worst day ever was when Mats retired
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
I was more heartbroken when he played for Vancouver
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
i wasn’t. We sucked. When he scored on that shoot-out goal – it was beautiful. My friend called “backhand” before he even stepped up. And in true Mats form, he did it. He served us through enough shit; he deserved it.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Worst day ever?
no, when Gilmour came back and blew his knee out and I had to watch him crawl back to the bench.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Unrelated, but can I surmise from your username that you’re from Minnesota, or do you just like the Gophers?
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
phil kessels our golden gopher. lord knows we paid enough for him.
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
y’alls are too old for me. Stuff started sticking to my memory the year after
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
yeah, I don’t remember that happening either. :P
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Meh, I remember that. First shift against the Canadiens. My dad’s friend fixed it up.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t have any hockey memories till the Salt Lake Olympics, with some Mogilny awesomeness thrown in between
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
by Leafer87 on Feb 14, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Almo awesomeness always occurs
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
Almo, such a great player.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
truth
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
loved that crazy Russian bastard.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My first favourite player
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
by Leafer87 on Feb 14, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He was my favourite at the time too, cuz his jersey # was my birthyear.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
holy shit, yes
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
Sucks for you.
You’re around the JFJ-era, man that must suck.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
yup
But I picked some pretty awesome players. Almo and Mario (for the Olympics), McCabe, Sundin, Kabby
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
That sucks. I can remember as far back as 97/98. My first Leaf’s game, my dad took me to the Gardens.
Favourite players at the time: Sundin, Thomas, Domi and Mcauley.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
all I can remember from that time is loving Sundin and HATING the sens.
My first solid memory of being heartbroken by something relating to the leafs was the devils-islanders shootout.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
My first heart break was the roenick goal in OT. Its fun talking about heart break on valentines day. Makes the drinking easier.
by schennsational on Feb 14, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
whoa. I do remember wondering why the Philadephia Flyers were named after the cream cheese :P
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Fact: the cream cheese has nothing to do with Philadelphia.
My first Leafs memory is deciding they were my favorite team, only to be made fun of by everyone in my grade 5 class for choosing a terrible favorite team.
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
I was born a Leaf Fan.
Thanks dad.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Apparently when I was a baby, I would sit on the couch and clap and jump whenever the Leafs scored. Guess I was born a Leaf fan
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
When I was 4 and 5 years old I would get my Leafs mini-stick, stand in the doorway of our family room, and pretend I was Potvin while the game was on. So cool.
So what the hell happened?!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
That was a HORRIBLE day.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
no
worst day ever was the day Harold Ballard died… no wait… that was the best day ever… ok hold on I’m recalibrating after this trade.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
The Worst Day Ever
Has been an over and over again ‘Groundhog Day’ style series of events for the last 5 years, culminating every year in disappointing draft after disappointing draft
Smoke Weed Every Day.
Did Steve just make a joke?
I’ve never seen one from him before. lol
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
I always thought he was a forum bot, programmed to quickly regurgitate tons of complex stats and ratings, incapable of feeling human emotions. Way to go Steve!
If I can't be a good example, then I will just have to serve as a horrible warning...
by CancerousRocket on Feb 14, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s made a “your mom” joke in a GDT once.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
I was drinking
that time… although I do that amongst friends regularly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Mom jokes?
Dude that’s low.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Worst day ever was when they traded Wendel Frickin’ Clark. God that hurt.
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
That turned into one of the best trades in Leaf history, of course.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
True...
But it was still the worst day ever…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
they traded
clark for sundin… who had over 100 points as a rookie… also Clark was very effing injury prone… I wasn’t that sad about it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t disagree that Sundin wasn’t worth it, we certainly got the better side of the deal…but at the time it was like somebody shot my dog. Gutted.
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Big trade coming…involving #leafs. Possible kaberle and more out. There going to be eating a big contract… Will happen soon #NHL
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
that's
good news I suppose
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Source please?
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
yes
just about to ask that myself.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
It's quoted
ISN’T THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU
Smoke Weed Every Day.
by Archimedies on Feb 14, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Some news director on a small town Ontario radio station. Doesn’t sound very reliable to me.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
He
knows PEOPLE OK
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
of course
I also know people… they just don’t know anything about upcoming trades.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
If there is another deal brewing, I’m going to bet LeBrun, McKenzie, or Dreger will be the one to break it.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
his cousins buddys uncles aunts kid knows a guy who tapes sticks for the leafs.
Trust me its credible.
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
dammit why didn’t the link and the giant word ALLEGEDLY post also there’s another saying that Kabby waived his NTC
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
ALLEGEDLY
Oh here’s another “source”
BREAKING NEWS Kaberle has informed Burke he will waive his NTC #Leafs #NHL deal is being worked on could be completed in 24-72HRS
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
HEARD THIS FROM A SOURCE
The Leafs are looking to trade the colours blue & white to the 1994 Vancouver Canucks in exchange for black, orange and yellow.
Smoke Weed Every Day.
We can’t trade that, Tampa has already stolen those colours.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
do we get 1994 Pat Quinn in the trade?
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
and Almo from 1992-93 when he had 76 goals
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
yes that would require looting the 1993 Sabres
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
That’s what the Leafs should do with all their money. Invest in time travel research.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
and they can play with angry mats with crazy cujo in net <3
/fires up nhl 99
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
BELEAF
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
If only we had a time machine
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
who or what is ‘incarceratedbob’
"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
sounds painful
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
he's the best
Leafs news resource in the Kingston Pen.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
haha rec’d
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
Oh no. I just re-tweeted this to take a piss. This is completely random.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
random and hilarious
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
don't do this to me
my twitter feed is about to explode!
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
it already is
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
Sauce?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Healing powers
Only Brad Richards’ donning the Leaf Jersey can heal this pain for me !
by hockeyphreak on Feb 14, 2011 7:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
For what it's worth:
We have our own first round pick in 2012. And we’ll definitely be terrible
Smoke Weed Every Day.
by Archimedies on Feb 14, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
now THAT
is positive thinking!
Unabashed fan of the surprise 2012 Stanley Cup champs
crack
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
this team can lose as much as they want, I will still love them.
I’m looking at these past (and maybe future ) years as a test of my loyalty.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I’ve been thinking that since that losing streak earlier this year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
We’ll draft the hockey equivalent of Greg Oden. Just you wait.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been wondering if the reason that there has been no news about a press conference , is because Burke has other moves he’s trying to make to announce?
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
A press conference on a non-game day late in the evening is unlikely regardless. I’m sure he’ll talk tomorrow in late morning/early afternoon regardless.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh I see
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
it's a bit early to be up on that news
I haven’t tracked enough junior this year… I don’t usually really look at the numbers on the kids until the playoffs… after the WJC that is.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
More perspective
For Keith Ballard, a $4 million second pairing defenceman, Florida got Michael Grabner (a top prospect), Steve Bernier (a decent young forward), and a first round pick. Could the Leafs not have gotten something at least close to that for Versteeg?
nobody cared
until the past 2 weeks.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
now he's suddenly
player of the week and dale tallon is an idiot.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
True enough, but it wasn’t like Florida had a bunch of offensively gifted forwards competing for spots
no
but the feeling was they had more than actually showed up when the season began.
They haven’t actually done that badly considering.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Lol Florida, waiving Grabner.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
made sense at the time
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
That’s not perspective. That’s apples and oranges.
Resident Capologist
Сертыфікаваны Grabbo Палюбоўнік
I don’t think the players are identical, but they’re both players in their prime traded from rebuilding teams to contenders. One is potentially a top-line winger, one is a second-pair defenceman. I think the comparison is valid.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
No it isn’t.
D-men and forwards are valued differently, and comparing them is not reasonable.
Hell, even comparing forwards to each other can be difficult because of the variety of positions, styles and functions they perform.
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
hey
it was a better comparison than the guy that was in here yesterday comparing Brent Johnson to Sidney Crosby and Tomas Kaberle.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
someone out on a day-pass?
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
he was trying to say
Backup goalies are valuable commodities to any team and are thus important to protect via bench clearing fisticuffs… but yeah… day pass.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
It is true, the frequency of back ups getting into fights are so high that a strategy should be put in place to protect them
\moron
"You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else."
Albert Einstein
by Say *plan the parade one more time*... on Feb 14, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahah that guy was a crackhead.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
As I’ve said multiple times, Versteeg would be one of the top 3 goal scorers on about half the teams in the league.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
largely
scoring goals from the point on the PP… not playing top line minutes at ES.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Is this for two firsts? Still rather Versteeg than 2 late 1st rounders. How the fuck does 28 point fisher get a equivalent return for a 24 year old multi 20 goal player?
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
One first and one third.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
You just made Redonred so mad… haha
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
Misery loves company.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
Leave no man behind.
…and also don’t let them get ahead.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
a 1st and a 3rd
and from Philly that means a 25-30 pick probably.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well, everyone was saying Burke needs to do a full rebuild. He definitely believes we have zero chance of getting into the playoffs – fair enough. But this is poor, poor return for Versteeg – as discussed earlier he is one of the best two way players.
that may
be exaggerated… see his BTN rating… or his +/-… or his inability to produce effectively on a top line alongside Kessel and Bozak.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
behindthenet.ca RATING, which is the difference between a player’s on-ice plus-minus and the rest of the team’s.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
translation: we’re going to suck for several years. even worse than now.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Greeeaaaat. So that means by the time this team makes the playoffs I’m going to be too old to have an excuse to go on a 5 day celebratory bender. FUCK.
Truculligerestosterugnacity.
OR you’ll be just old enough that no one really questions it
by Golden Gopher on Feb 14, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Are these the assets you want?
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
The only way this scenario makes sense to me right now is if I imagine that Burke is saying these words to a tree. In the park. All by himself. And then some random guy steals his blackberry and makes the trade.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll have a glass. Please use expediated delivery. I want it now….
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Shaken (due to rocking back and forth in the fetal position), not stirred.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t like the trade and I probably never will, but eh. Happy Valentine’s Da to you too, Burkie
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
maybe I should go eat some chocolate.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I’d just sat down with tons of chocolate, ready for some cocoa-filled eventless day of econ homework.
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
I’m making hot chocolate and eating hershey kisses. yum. :D
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
He needs the Leafs’ own 1st’s in order to do this…meaning he’d want to get Boston’s back.
Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!1
STAMKOS
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
If the car was wrecked by drawing in the dust with a finger, I think he may to re-think buying American…
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
GO TO THE FRONT PAGE
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/2/14/1994049/leafs-trade-kris-versteeg-for-picks-audi-is-outie
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/2/14/1994049/leafs-trade-kris-versteeg-for-picks-audi-is-outie
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