Leafs Trade Kris Versteeg For Picks: Audi Is Outie
by PPP on Feb 14, 2011 8:06 PM EST
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PrintThe Toronto Maple Leafs have traded 24 year old Kris Versteeg to the Philadelphia Flyers for their first and third round picks in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft. Right now those picks are going to be really late in their respective rounds. I am one to usually discount the trade rumour chatter but it seems that in the last two instances that where there was smoke there was fire. As a result, Christian Hanson has been recalled to the big club.
It certainly does look that those that thought that the acquisition of Joffrey Lupul would have a knock-on effect were right. He was more than the price of prying Jake Gardiner out of Anaheim. The net result of the two trades is that the Leafs have added an older forward while moving the better, younger, more complete model out. They've also traded Versteeg's salary control, he is an RFA after next season, for Joffrey Zoolander's higher salary and UFA status after his contract expires. One angle that will get a lot of play is Versteeg's comments in this exit interview with Paul Hendrick. Mirtle had previously mentioned that Versteeg's a bit of a character and that's rubbed management in a few stops the wrong way. Maybe he asked for a trade. Who knows.
More after the jump.
Versteeg had a tough start to his Maple Leafs career with just two points in his first nine games and five in his first 13 games. Since then he'd added 12-18-30 in 40 GP or a 62 point pace but his start had labelled him a flop amongst the majority of Leafs fans and the anti-Leafs contingent. Today, shock at the move was met with variations on "not bad for a third liner on a shitty team!" which just belies the ignorance that we have to confront every day.
Kris Versteeg was only behind Fredrik Sjostrom among Leafs' forward for quality of competition at even strength, he was fourth in ice-time among forwards at even strength, he was fifth in points per 60 minutes of even strength ice time. He was clearly not a 'third liner' but who lets facts get in the way of slamming the Leafs?
Eyebleaf put the trade as "Stalberg, Paradia, DiDomenico for a 1st and 3rd round pick" but that hides the fact that all that has happened is that the Leafs have traded three guys that were looking to be nothing into two picks that will likely turn into nothing. In the meantime, Burke has let an established, young NHLer go. Much like the Kessel trade, we'll really only be able to judge this move down the line once the picks have been made, have had time to develop, and we see where Kris Versteeg goes.
That's without adding in what Burke will do with the added cap space. Right now he stands around $24M. Will he sign Clarke MacArthur? In light of Versteeg's comments it would make sense for him to sign a player that has professed a desire to stay in Toronto. Then again, since we're trading good young forwards, he could be next on the chopping block. All we can do is wait and see but the odds are not in the Leafs favour that these picks will replace Kris Versteeg. Let's see what else Burke has up his sleeves.
* glove tap to @TheHonAdamLuker for the subtitle
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by Frag on Feb 14, 2011 8:09 PM EST reply actions 13 recs
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by Future_considerations on Feb 14, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
What’s Leafsman?
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
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ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
That superhero you see up there is the One and Only Leafsman
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Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Okay…what does he do?
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
He’s Leafsman.. he does everything!
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
he even scores on the PP!
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
HOLY SWEET JESUS!!!
ON THE PP?!
THE PENS NEED TO TRADE FOR THIS GUY!!!
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
You don’t have the assets.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
We traded God to get Leafsman in the first place.
and won that deal
[looks for lightning bolts]
by Wan Ihite on Feb 14, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
I think I am.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
I’m disappointed in your underwhelmness
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Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Leafsman can catch flies with his tongue.
Overwhelmed now, arencha?
Follow someone else on Twitter.
by not norm ullman on Feb 14, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Also he crowd surfs.
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Scroll up, and tremble in his wake!
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
“My name is Leafsman, Leaf of Leafs:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
by rift valley on Feb 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I demand a Unicorn…..A SPACE UNICORN
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by Almo89 on Feb 14, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
I laughed so hard at this. Get ’er done Burkie!
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 14, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
pylon army
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that’s why we had Hal Gill
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
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Jason Allison.
Boom 1 upp’d
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Was no where near their levels of slow
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
WOZNIEWSKI.
Game over.
Visit my blog at: http://50-mission-cap.blogspot.com/
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 15, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
I thought we were requiring the pylon not to be on IR everyday
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/vomitsonlap
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Counterpoint:
Almost 20 MacArthurs!
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Not if he gets re-signed
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Strictly speaking this point in time for the same contract.
Jeez.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Dear god no.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
there is only one lebda
thank christ for this blessing
by scrambles the death dealer on Feb 14, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
At 8 minutes a night, the four of them would be able to play just over half a game!
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
I don't know
If I want you to stop for my sanitys sake or keep going for comedys sake
Smoke Weed Every Day.
I got nothing. (Like Burke trading with Holmgren)
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
by mf37 on Feb 14, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wooah wooah, livin on a prayer
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
24 million
is this next year?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
no Kaberle
no Giguere… no Versteeg…
No Top line C… no puck moving D… no starting goalie?
Take a run at bryzgalov? Richards?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Pitkanen?
Maybe some Ehrhoff?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
But
it seems kind of sideways after letting Kabby go…
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
Certified Kule lover!
he's younger
if that helps.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hes younger at least, and he shoots. I think he plays RD though and with phaneuf/schenn/komisarek one of those guys has to leave…
…HE SCORES!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
31st over all in shots for NHL D men
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
shots yes.
goals, not so much.
(Not a critique, I’m a Kabby fan)
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Phaneuf is in the top 20, if not top 10 for shots taken by dmen.
Be a Positive Pete not a Negative Nancy!
by theninjagreg on Feb 14, 2011 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no...
he aggressively passes towards the net
by scrambles the death dealer on Feb 14, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Komisarek
hopefully
Who is a solid LD puck mover? Campbell from Chicago maybe?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
with all that cap space,…it makes an uncomfortable amount of sense
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
If they throw in prospects and picks, MAYBE.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
just over 7 mill till 2016, we’d better get a first and Kyle beech for that
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
1st, 2nd, Kyle Beech, Toew’s first born, to start
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt Pitkanen, he’s terrible. Possibly Ehrhoff, maybe Andy Greene or Roman Harmlik
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Hamrlik
is way too old… no interest… Greene I’d go for.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
although
he’s another defensive minded guy mainly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs have a couple of young guys in Gardiner and Blacker that are at least 1.5 seasons away from the NHL. Hamrlik would be a good stop-gap and Phaneuf played some of his best hockey in Calgary w/ Hamrlik as his partner
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
this is true.
he’s still ancient though.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
he has the highest Corsi REL QoC
on the habs though, and his PDO is 993.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Canucks fans seem pretty confident ehrhoff will resign, and they have a pretty decent team so why would he leave
they're
right against the Cap… and he’s not very good in his own end.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Both!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
What does this do to Kris in terms of fantasy value? I don’t know, but I’m going to find out!
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions
Emotional Hedging
In the hopes of improving the Leafs pick, I will be heavily betting on Flyers to make it deep this year in my usual playoff pool. Anecdotal evidence has shown that I cannot do well in a playoff pool, let’s see what happens this year when I have ten Flyers on it.
President of the Emotional Hedging club.
Fuck!
I just realised I never used enough “The Steeg” jokes.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, this stings so much more now.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I have disappointed the blog, and myself.
/hangs head in shame
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul’s guitar-playing chops made Versteeg’s musicianship expendable.
/cries.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:11 PM EST reply actions
If PopRocks is here, I have this to say.
Hey, shut up! =P
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
yeah umm I was too late replying to that too :P
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
For our lil Valentine's here ;)
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Why did I click on that?
It’s going to be stuck in my head for approximately the next decade.
I might hate you.
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
This. A lot.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
Some thank you that is.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
nooo now everyone knows about our “love story”
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Cue “d’oh!” pic.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
uhh I guess this is where I say Happy Valentine’s Day :P
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
D’awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh…okie. Happy Valentine’s Day to you too. =P
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
Haha I would, but I’m told I don’t comment often enough on PPP to count as a real Leafs fan. And I’m pretty sure that whoever said that is older than you, so I should probably follow their directive instead of yours.
My feet are wet.
Where did the idea you have to comment frequently to be a “Real” Leafs fan come from?
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Oh there was this whole thing about how I am a traitor or something because I have all sorts of comments over at Pensburgh but hardly any here, and yet I call myself a Leafs fan first (and a current resident of Pittsburgh second).
I contend that y’all talk too much around here, and it’s too difficult to keep up. So in light of the fact that I would like very much if someday I could become Dr. PopRocks, I keep my visits to PPP to a minimum.
My feet are wet.
I’m also a Pens fan. I just don’t talk about the Pens.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
ew yourself
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON!?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
I have two teams, when they play each other I scream and yell in disgust. Don’t want anybody to win or to lose. They haven’t met in the playoffs since 92 or something like that so it’s all good. When they do, I’ll probably cry.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
99. Figures. Did not have high speed Internet at the time… :) All the games on German television had either the Avs, Dallas or Detroit… And that was once a month. If so.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Garry Valk FTW!
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
psst!
umm so I just checked and I have more comments over there too..
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
/shrug
someone said it was a good idea for roadtrips
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
That would be me.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
when I’m bored and there’s no leafs game I join one for a team that’s playing and lurk. :P
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
The ability to Z through comments on every blog is worth it, without question.
Oh, four! I mean five! I mean fire! Now available in lite version!
Yes
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
What does this mean:
So in light of the fact that I would like very much if someday I could become Dr. PopRocks
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
Certified Kule lover!
He’s in med school.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
Like reading thoughts confined to 140 characters? I'm on Twitter too.
Yes it is
I’m in med school and spend WAY too much time on this blog
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
Certified Kule lover!
Earlier this year I blocked access from my office computer to both PPP and Pensburgh from 9 AM through 5 PM every day. It helps some, but not when I work from home. And not when I’m sitting in my office at 8 PM and Burke makes a (seemingly?) boneheaded trade.
My feet are wet.
I have been meaning to study for the last 4 hours. Stupid PPP (the site not the man)
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
Certified Kule lover!
Ditto
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
Stupid PPP
Fixed.
/I joke I kid, I play
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Because that’s exactly what I said.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Heh. Mixed allegiances will earn a good-natured ribbing around here, but rest assured it’s mostly good-natured.
Mostly. /glares at youngins over brim of walker
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Good-natured ribbing generally results in sass from this end. :)
But I’m always up for a good pick-on-Leafer fest. So there’s that.
My feet are wet.
awww poor Leafer.
ITS OK LEAFER I LIKE YOU :D
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
YAY SOMEBODY LIKES ME
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
You still got wg105-whatever it is
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
aww no one remembers his username :P
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Seriously. What’s so hard about it? =P
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
if you explain it it might be easier to remember. :P
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I whacked my keyboard and used the resulting mess of characters as my username?
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
Mine is an oxymoron ;)
Aren’t I clever.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Mine is extremely uncreative and ended up being like someone else’s
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
I don’t like mine. I used a number instead of letters which is one of my pet peeves.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Email support@sbnation.com, be polite, and they’ll change it for you.
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Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Mine was because we all have our ghosts or things we remember that sucked about the Leafs. Mine was the 93 conference finals
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Lol, joke alert.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
hmm
you’re an alien from the planet wg. There are only 4 other inhabitants of that planet, hence you’re “1 of 5”
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Haha, that sounds like I Am Number Four. Except that I’m apparently Number One instead. =P
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
I think you might become the new Leafer.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
If you look at his PDO
of 968… his BTN rating number isn’t quite so bad.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
all he's taking
is his relationship with the guys in the room… good to know.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Just got online and saw the interview… didn’t really come off as having enjoyed his time in Toronto. At all.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
would you?
hyper-analyzed and criticized on a shit team after you come off winning a cup in another huge american city that treated you like kings for winning?
I wouldn’t enjoy it either frankly.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
the advantage to playing on the Hawks is
nobody notices when you suck… hell they didn’t even show the games on TV a while ago… then when you get good you’re treated like Royalty… it’s nice to work in a city that has the Bulls, Cubs, and WhiteSox.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
That’s fair. I didn’t say he didn’t have plenty of reason, I was just a little surprised by it. Also, I imagine being told you’re moving to Philadelphia isn’t necessarily the sort of thing that fills someone with joy.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
It is when they’ve got the best shot of anyone in their conference to win a Cup.
Visit my blog at: http://50-mission-cap.blogspot.com/
Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 15, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I guess there’s that…
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 15, 2011 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
We play
Philly what… 3 more times? 2 more?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
This contributes nothing to the discussion, but I’m going to the March 3 game.
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
I was
hoping to… but work gets in the way.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I went down
for one game last year… I’ll probably go next year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
right
my brother’s going to the 3rd game… and my sister in law’s bro won those tickets the Philly board of Tourism was giving to Leafs fans with air fare and hotel… bastard.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
This has probably been discussed today already but we are 20-16-3 with Army and 3-11-3 without him…whats up with that?
we never lost in regulation when steeg scored…whats up with that??
"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
And never lost a game in which we outscored our opponent.
by Mirinov's Nose on Feb 14, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
we are 1-0-0 when we score 9 goals against atlanta and lebda is a -3
by schennsational on Feb 15, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
being in the game
is a more useful discussion point than scoring (which happens far less often)
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Statistical noise and confounders that don’t mean much. See today’s FTB.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
FTB
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No, I think Colby Armstrong changes the team from being “the worst ever” to “playoff pace” singlehandedly.
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by Chemmy on Feb 14, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This makes the Kessel trade look like a gem.
Tap it in, just tap it in, give it a little tappy, tap tap taparoo
It was a gem..
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
what if we draft cory perry with that pick? is it a shit trade or can it be yet judged then?
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Umm, I’d rather go off the board and draft Datsyuk.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
grabovski is our datsyuk, kulie is zetterberg
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
reverse those
and I think you’re closer.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
each has about as much chance as becoming either as the other
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
We need a Holmstrom.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Well NOW I’m sold.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
/sadPensfan
Stupid Poni…
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
PONI
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
When was there ever a Happy Poni? The only one we got was Invisible Poni.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
REUNITE THE ODD COUPLE!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Happy Pony!
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Lol. Invisible Poni:
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
I will remember him most for that car incident
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
ugh, I need to change my desktop background. right now it’s versteeg, bozak and kessel looking awesome.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
I was 12 rows RIGHT behind that net. Best game I’ve ever been to.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
My employed has seasons tix and gave me that game. Took my 9 y/o brother to his first game.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
I still haven’t had my first Leafs game. Just Flames.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been to one. We lost 6-2. It was awesome
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
someday I’ll go to one and I’ll probably be disappointed.
/pessimistic
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we lost the one I went to, and I got heckled by scary Philly fans for wearing my Leafs jersey.
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
I got heckled by scary Pens fans. The Leafs peoples all hung out in front of the Mellon, then they kicked me out because they wanted to go drinking (and I was 12)
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
I think the scariest Pens fan is scarier than the least scary Flyers fan.
I thought I was going to get stabbed on the subway. :P
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
Proof.
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Leaf fan for life! (No, really. They gave me a no-trade clause when I was born.)
by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 15, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
Lol, poor Leafer. I was probably a heckler.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
haha I would be too, but I was a little baby and scarred from Geno’s hattrick
(also 14, not 12)
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
I booed the Habs at a Flyers game. That’s the closest I’ve come to being a Philly style heckler.
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
…That’s pretty darn close.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
YAY have fun! hopefully they’ll win it for you.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t be. It’s costing an awful lot of money. The exchange rate isn’t what it used to be.
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
well then I extra hope they win for you. :D
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm really on the fence with this trade, a little towards opposed rather than for
On one hand, I wasn’t expecting much for Versteeg. On the other hand, these picks will likely not replace Versteeg’s value for the team short and long term. Unless we strike gold and find a Corey Perry or Martin Havlat, it’s going to be very difficult finding a decent prospect in such a weak draft. The same with the 4th round 3rd-round pick.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
This trade is baffling. I literally cannot think of a positive from this trade that doesn’t include ridiculous luck in the draft. Something the Leafs do not have a good track record for. Thank God spring training has started.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
The Leafs aren't bad at drafting prospects
They just don’t like keeping them.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
For Health Reasons
most of them have cooties
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
Relax. Does Burke really seem the type to say: “Oh, I was wrong about 4 days ago, forget that idiocy of keeping us competitive, let’s go for the long term rebuild”. Is that Burke? No.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not jumping off a bridge
But I just don’t see any logic to this trade. Why would you trade a young 20+ goal scorer for a late pick?
From McKenzie:
I am hearing Leafs will keep the 1st rounder but are trying to move the 3rd rounder for a tangible asset who can play now
It’s apparently not to add value to another trade. Have to wait a bit to find out what the hell is going on, but it’s not looking too hot right now.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
DID NOT SEE THAT. I’m preparing my vomit bucket.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Immediate help, IIRC
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Last year, a 3rd round pick was enough to land Andrew Alberts.
Immediate help indeed.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
we can get 2/3rds of dominic moore!
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Arbitration pushed back for Bautista. Hopefully they renegotiate without going through the whole, “this is why you’re not worth the money” process!
Go Jays Go!
Go Leafs Go!
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck Baseball.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Baseball no like you! >:(
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
If I wanted to watch a bunch of guys on steriods, I’d go back to watching the WWE or w.e the hell it’s called now.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Roy Halladay does not approve!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
by Frag on Feb 14, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If there’s anyone in Philadelphia that I want to see win a championship, it’s Doc.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
I confess that I want a Philadelphia sports team to win a major championship just so I can participate in the ensuing riot.
and yeah, I like Halladay, too, even though I really don’t get baseball.
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
/sigh
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Jose Bautista...
/sadPiratefan
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
Sorry Bud, it hasn’t been a very good sports month for you eh?
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
Yeah, Pittsburgh’s been getting slaughtered. Steelers lose, Malkin (and probably Crosby) done for the year, Pirates report to ST. Sad-sad-sad.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
STOP IT RIGHT NOW HE’S COMING BACK!!
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
At least the Steelers made the Super Bowl, and have the most Super Bowl championships in the NFL. There’s definitely something to be proud about.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Hmm… here’s an interesting question. Would you make this trade?
Leafs and Jays
for
Pens and Pirates
(You can pretend it’s trading roster for roster to avoid the disloyalty angle)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Don't think so.
The Jays are real solid, and the Leafs aren’t as bad as the Pirates. But the Pens are crazy good (or they were before the injury bug, anyway).
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
Ya I figured. That’s my thinking as well. :)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
NO!!
The Pirates are worse than the Leafs without a doubt.
Although … hm … they’re terrible in large part because of their management, so if it’s just the roster … MAYBE!!
My feet are wet.
1. we get sid
2. we trade lebda
3. some baseball stuff happens
4. profit!
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Well, if it moved us Pirates to the AL East, I’d probably do it just for the amusement factor. First 130-loss team ever!
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
You guys would make tonnes more money on tickets though…
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Just wait a year for playoff format change, my friend. It’ll coincide with the Jays starting to peak.
Grey skies are gonna clear up (put on a happy face).
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
You might care if the Jays start winning championships :)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the problem is that I don’t understand baseball. It just seems like a lot of standing.
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
I used to hate it, but then I moved and had no friends so I started to watch it. Now I love it.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, no friends is what got me really into hockey as well.
PS I have friends now.
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ya, there’s a fundamental difference between hockey and most other sports. I read an article once that argued that people love situations in sports — 2 outs, bottom of the 9th in baseball; 3rd and long in football. Heck, even soccer is generally slow enough that the teams play situationally.
Hockey doesn’t really have “situations”. It’s more fast-paced and flowing.
Anyway, i don’t know how this is relevant. I just thought it was interesting :)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll cheer for them if it gets us a championship. Heck, I’ll even cheer for the Rock if it gets us a championship
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
Gonna paint a wagon, gonna paint it good!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll openly admit I’m a bandwagoner for non-hockey sports. I don’t care enough to cheer for a team the real way :P
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
I cheer for the Leafs and Jays actively. I think I can handle it because their seasons never overlap. :(
by leaflover4ever on Feb 14, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know how cheering for Dwayne Johnson is going to get us anywhere…
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well, this was supposed to be a gif of the Rock checking his beeper, but I fail. :(
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
3rd time's a charm?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m afraid I don’t see anything. Better luck next time! :)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t either.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
they spent like 24 mil. on prospects last year. Not too concerned about Roger’s money commitment.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
Definitely. But I do think that it’s better for the Bautista-team relationship if we don’t have to tell an arbitrator why he sucks and deserves less money. I want him around long-term.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
One thing I’ll give Burke credit for: he’s going to catch hell from the media if we finish in the bottom five again this year. At least he’s not making moves to save face on the colour of Boston’s pick, which is not really relevant anymore.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Much ado about nothing. re: Versteeg's comments
Henny: In the short time that you were here, Chris, what are you going to remember best.
Versteeg: Mainly just the guys in the room. That’s the big thing I’m going to take out of Toronto. The guys that I had a good relationship with and that’s about it……(jokingly) and yourself (Henny) obviously, you and I, we’ve gotten along pretty well.
The question wasn’t, what are you taking away from Toronto, Henny was merely asking Versteeg what he’ll remember best and he said the guys in the locker room which any player getting traded would miss (Sean Avery excluded.)
Certified Grabbo Lover
Chris
Who’s “Chris Versteeg”?
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Oh… we traded CHRIS Versteeg. It all makes sense now.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Now mother, I’m going to uh, bring something up…
Haha… I am sorry, boy, but you do manage to look ludicrous when you give me orders.
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He was here for four months of misery after winning the Cup and now he’s going back to a contender. Not sure why anyone expects he’d care about his time here.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, particularly given that he was part of the Hawks as they battled up from the bottom. I understand not wanting to have to go through that all over again.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Really
What else could Versteeg possibly say he would miss? Losing the majority of the games for a team he barely spent 6 months playing for
Smoke Weed Every Day.
October to the second week of Feb is more like four months of games.
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You know what this means...
There are going to be hundreds of stories for the next 10 years about how awesome Kris Versteeg is and how the Leafs really screwed up.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 8:21 PM EST reply actions
RFA Status
As PPP pointed out, Versteeg would have still been an RFA at the end of next season. We’re essentially trading the 4 years of Versteeg’s prime at 60 points for 1st and a 3rd round question marks. So what is Burke signaling here? That Versteeg wasn’t going to work out with the Leafs, or that “the rebuild back to the playoffs” is going to be more than 4 years out?
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Yeah
but his contract doesn’t extend 4 years in the future…so if he’s signalling that, he’s signalling potential failure.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe they knew he didn’t want to stick around long term? Tough to say, although I look forward to people who bemoan the loss of our last two first rounders complaining that this first rounder is useless.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Remember, when you’ve got a player at RFA status, you essentially have him by the balls.
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True, has Burke held a press conference yet?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
If he got offer sheeted when he’s an RFA, and we let him go, here are the compensation picks:
- $1,545,981 to $3,091,963: A second round draft choice.
- $3,091,963 to $4,637,944: A first-round choice and a third-rounder.
- $4,637,944 to $6,183,925: A first- a second- and a third-rounder.
The values have gone up every year though.
Right now we got a first and a third, and he’s making $3,083,333. That is slightly under the value, so if he made the same salary, he would only warrant a 2nd. In this case, Burke wins.
But do you think he doesn’t get a raise? He’d at least get a raise to the next echelon, aka he gets 1st and 3rd, equal value.
Doubt he goes to 4.6M+ so we would never get a first and third, but by this, equal value.
He’s not offer-sheet eligible yet though.
So in other words we could have kept him for a year and then done this same trade to a better team… Gah
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oh
we are well aware of the compensation…..
by mick mcgeough on Feb 14, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
what about those of us
that think a late 1st rounder isn’t worth a lot more than our early 2nd rounder, and are wondering why we gave up a 60 point winger for another one of what we’ve already got?
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Carry on.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am not happy with this trade
But Steeg was not a 60 point winger.
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Out of curiosity, I looked at the last five picks of the first round for the past few years, too (I think the other person that looked cut it off in 2006). So, the failures from that time period can’t really be analyzed yet, but the successes can. And there are successes – namely, David Perron (‘07), Tyler Ennis (’08), and John Carlson (‘08). The pick certainly isn’t without value.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Look at it this way, if another deal isn’t made, we do something to Nugent-Hopkins which only we can reverse. I’m feeling Lex Lurhorian tonight.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
It isn't without value
but you just picked 3 out of about 15-20 players? that’s not a great percentage.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Since 1989, there’s been a 1 in 21 chance that the 53rd overall pick will give you a perennial Norris Trophy contender.
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by SkinnyFish on Feb 14, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, I'm just trying to be optimistic for y'all's sake.
JEEZ.
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particularly after a
BAD trade… can I call it that yet?
Have we achieved any sort of consensus here? Is this officially Burke’s first BAD trade that everyone agrees is BAD?
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wait 7 years
THEN we’ll know…
Cyril: I'm not sure that's technically irony.
Archer: What? This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morissette had a baby and named it this exact situation!
Meh with heavy caveats.
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If it signals that we’re done with the “rebuild on the fly” idea sacrificing Versteeg at the altar of draft picks will be worth it.
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Exactly. I’m willing to wait, but he’s got to keep walking the walk to convince me.
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I am not opposed to that idea, it just doesn’t seem like him.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I sense a changing of the guards, Burke steps down as GM, and retains his position as President, while Nonis takes over the helm of GM
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Who knows what the ownership is thinking… Plausible it is.
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by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
but that doesn't entirely make sense
we have 23 year old Kessel, 24 year old Bozak, 25 year old MacArthur, 27 year old Grabovski, 24 year old Kulemin, 25 year old Phaneuf, 22 year old Reimer, 23 (I think?) year old Rynnas, 24 year old Scrivens, 21 year old Schenn, 21 year old Aulie, and 20 year old Kadri…
so from THAT we’re subtracting a 24 year old to add a couple of 18 year olds?
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
If you don’t think this signals that the Leafs are done rebuilding on the fly then it’s just a terrible move. We’re worse now, we’ll be worse in the future.
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yes
which is my problem with the deal.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
it's like
we’re telling Kessel, Schenn, and the rest that we won’t be good until they’re 26-27… and Graobvski will be 30-32?
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Those are still in their prime… Maybe he is just trying to extend the window.
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maybe
I just don’t think it makes a lot of sense when you have a 24 year old with that level of skill and experience to toss him aside.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
we're not built to win
in 4 or 5 years…we’re built to win in the next 2 or 3… I really don’t see how this whole “rebuild on the fly” vs. “slow drafting” thing makes any fucking difference… we’re a young team… we just worked at getting even younger… and thus probably worse short term.
I feel like that will just frustrate our free agents and screw things up.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
At this rate I’m hoping we can move Grabovski. I think 27 is too old for his type of game and the window when Toronto will realistically be competitive.
The flipside is he’s good against hard opposition so he can appropriately shelter young guys.
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yeah
if he’s our top line C for the next 2-3 years I don’t mind him sheltering… but it’s total stop gap at that point.
I feel like this means we’re about to become the Islanders… fuck this is depressing.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
we’re going to get john tavares?
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
no
we’re going to trade Chara and Luongo…
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Luke Schenn and Reimer?
/Push it to the limit! I grind and push
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
fair point
ok so Rask and Aulie? 10 years from now we cry a lot.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
by then we’ll be used to it
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa
Since when is 30 to old? I understand not wanting to trade for 30 year olds. But there is nothing that says his prime should end before 33 or 34. Especially for players that break into the league later….
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actually
players that break in later plateau sooner, and don’t tend to peak later than those that break in early.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I had actually half-prepared a piece on that topic. The peak for our controlled core forward group just by age appeared to be the 2011-2013 seasons; but I don’t entirely agree that this means we were “built to win” in the next two seasons, because many of our significant players are at prime ages this year, too.
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-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Right
but the overlap is what i was looking at… they’d still be in their “primes”… now we’re pushing the window back further while we wait on younger pieces.
They’ll still be decent, but the window has moved.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm kinda happy
I don’t want Burke to build a team and leave it with an empty cupboard. So in that regard he is lengthening the window. Good teams’ windows don’t close (see Detroit)….
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It’s got all of the makings of a bad trade but there’s more layers to it.
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like an onion
each one will make you cry
they you sautee it and om nom nom
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder if Burke is talking to players who are young a la Dale Tallon. “Rebuild’s coming. You want to stick around?”
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Makes sense, has to be tough to go from winning the Cup in June to this mess as well.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
“im cooking up a rebuild stir fry, wanna sautee with the rest of my onions?”
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Heh, I knew that we traded him for Exelby… but, I suppose he’s worse than nothing!
I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop on this trade… the other shoe on that trade was the Komisarek signing, which is looking disastrous at this point. If all we could have gotten for Versteeg was a late1st and a 3rd, then we should have kept him.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oh noez?
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Random question
What would we have said if we had traded a first and a third for Versteeg?
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Our pick is #5, Philly’s will be #25.
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Right
In this situation we’d think we got a hell of a trade.
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Uh, are these top 5 (Leaf) picks or bottom 5 (Flyer) picks?
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well
our 1st is worth a fuck of a lot more than Philly’s so probably “string up the GM.”
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
we would have lost our shit, but our first isnt high 20s
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I wuz fastest, Iz wins the internets.
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If we were sitting in 25th, I think we’d die of alcohol poisoning.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 20 recs
done
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yup
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I think they play totally different games and lines and they have nothing to do with each other
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
That’s my thought with Lupul this whole time. Everyone’s saying “With Lupul here” but they don’t even play the same role.
Versteeg produced from the “third line” despite his TOI. This is aggravating.
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I’d rather Versteeg than Lupul.
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Versteeg
hasn’t been a top 6 forward on a winner… Lupul has.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
to Lupul.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Versteeg is younger and hasn’t recently had back surgery that sidelined him for a year.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Palindrome
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
english fail :P
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by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
If his name was Bob, it would be awesome.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 15, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
Younger
is true… but did you see him morphing into a different level of player?
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
and Versteeg's back problems
are pretty well documented… he might require surgery in the next 2 years.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul has never played on a Cup winning team. He got traded to Edmonton before Anaheim won the Cup.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say Cup Winning team.
I just said winner… as in better than .500.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Lupul was a top 6 forward in Philly
in 2008-09 and they had 99 points.
He played the 2nd most minutes of any RW on the team and had the most points of any RW on the team.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
wtf does
this have to do with anything? Full season.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
During the playoffs last year, Versteeg was 6th on the team in points among forwards, and 4th in EV TOI. Sounds like a top 6 forward to me.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
He was also
5th in ES ice time during the regular season… because Hossa and Bolland were injured.
Ladd played 3 fewer games in the playoffs… either way… I guess he was in the top 6… I just don’t think of him as a top 6 F on that team.
Kane, Toews, Sharp, Hossa, Bolland, Ladd/Byfuglien/Kopecky/Versteeg/Brouwer the last 5 are all sorta at the same level to me.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
But Lupul is actually Kessel 2 so we’re fine. Bill Waters.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I find it weird
that we’re ripping on Lupul like he’s garbage… Versteeg is younger… but he isn’t significantly better from a point perspective.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
I don’t think he’s garbage… I said he’d be worth 50ish points… and ok as a 2nd liner. He’s just overpaid.
This doesn’t change that, but I can see how his coming in reduces minutes for Versteeg at ES, and they want Phaneuf on the point on the top PP unit… not Versteeg.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Gimme an L, gimme an E….
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Rick Ley?
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think Lupul will be good for this team. Even better than expected.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather have a younger $3 million guy than an older $4 million guy if we’re going to get the same production either way.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
He produced
because he was playing top minutes on the point on the PP… that’s where he got a lot of his points.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
he had 13 points
of his 35 on the PP… 22 at ES. Compare that to MacArthur who had 28 ESP and 16 on the PP, or Kulemin with 29 ESP and 11 PP points.
Phaneuf only has 4 PP points… I think they want to see more offensive game out of him, and that’s where he’s predominantly produced in his career.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
this is a valid point
and one I’m fine with… I do admit that paying $6 mill for your 3rd line wingers is a bit pricey.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
$3M for a guy on pace for 60 points is too much? Who cares what line he skates on?
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Hmm
no $6 mill is too much for two guys that combine for 75 points.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
also
do we really want Versteeg playing the point on the PP (which is still not that great)?
That’s where he was getting most of his offensive production from… which to me indicates that Phaneuf isn’t producing what we’re paying him for.
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by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Bozak and Komisarek and 50 more points?
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So then.....
Armstrong is the new Versteeg?
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
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Ok
he was a 3rd line winger now that Lupul is on the team… he is also playing the point on the top PP unit.
For most of this year he was a top 6 winger in minutes… that wasn’t going to continue at ES with Lupul on the team.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
also
Lupul has more size than Versteeg… I think Burke may have decided his forward group is too tiny to win the way he foresees them doing so in the NHL.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough, but I’m not sure Lupul is in the long-term plans, which are increasingly the only ones that seem to matter…
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Lupul's
contract is longer than Versteeg’s was isn’t it? versteeg is RFA at the end, but his number likely jumps up after next year.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I am skeptical but I think that’s where the money will go.
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Guess I’ll turn the TV off until the playoffs start. I’m depressed.
Tap it in, just tap it in, give it a little tappy, tap tap taparoo
versteeg was the linchpin of your happiness?
yikes
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Who told me about the magical Z button?
Hey man, my girlfriend aside, wanna be my Valentine?
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:34 PM EST reply actions
R for fast replies.
Tab to quick scroll to the “Post a New Comment Box”
Z to Unmark every comment
X to Unmark a “highlighted” comment.
You’re welcome.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Now, imagine what this does to a guy wrote the post above your own :D
Thanks man!
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa buddy, let’s keep this SFW, we got children runnin’ round.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t want to spoil the youngins, they are future draft picks after all…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think that this is the first time the Leafs have traded for a first round draft pick since I started following them. If nothing else, I applaud that.
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
Ha ha, good point.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ahem, Luke Schenn deal.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly it was Versteeg who Joffrey Lupul was calling out the other night. Kudos to Burke for quickly taking care of the problem in the dressing room so soon after Lupul identified it.
Speaking of which
Is it too early for me to place dislike on the shoulders of Lupul?
Man that guy is terrible.
Smoke Weed Every Day.
by Archimedies on Feb 14, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
he punches subban in his stupid smug face a bunch of times, that has bought him at least the rest of this season free from my scorn
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
This x1000
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Give him the remainder of this season. He just came back from a serious injury and as I point out over on Lansky’s blog his career numbers would put him 75th or so in goals socred and in the 120s for points in 09/10. If he can stay healthy thats a top 3 goal scorer and a top 5 point scorer.
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I think
saying he’s terrible at this stage is a bit harsh… he hasn’t played a lot of hockey in the past year compared to many NHLers.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll give him a while before I judge him overall. In the past two games – fighting Subban aside – he was either invisible or blowing great chances (2 on 1, etc.). Might take some time to adjust to our game. God I hope so.
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
interesting point
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
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Not sure if this is serious, but, is it too much to ask for at least one veteran presence in the locker room that can show some leadership and guidance to the younguns? Besides turning up the music, that is…
by GettinGiggy on Feb 15, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
And maybe Kessel will go on a 10 game scoring streak now?!?
by GettinGiggy on Feb 15, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, time to look at the big picture here...
The Leafs traded Francois Beauchemin and Kris Versteeg, and got the following back:
Joffrey Lupul
Jake Gardiner
2011 1st and 3rd picks
So Lupul replaces Versteeg…Aulie replaces Beauchemin (although that’s a lot to hope for…), and we’re up Jake Gardiner and a 1st and 3rd pick. I can live with that…hopefully Aulie can develop :)
Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!1
well
when you put it that way……
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
Twitter: Tales of Low to Moderate Interest
As long as amnesia pills for the next two seasons are included, that explanation works OK for me.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
So...
Anyone else buying Marc Crawford’s shaky explanation as for why Brad Richards didn’t join the Stars on their road trip today?
shifty eyes
wait what?
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Yeah, he had an upper… NO WAIT LOWER body injury on the last shift of the last game… Yeah, out near centre ice off camera or something….
by Bobby Paradise on Feb 14, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
DUN DUN DUN
"He'll be fine, he grew up by a nuclear power plant"- Alexander Mogilny
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Boom
http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Stars+Richards+miss+upcoming+road+trip/4282289/story.html
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Brad Richards missing the upcoming roadtrip!!!!!!!
SPECULATION!!!!
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Pulled groin? Dented pinky? :D
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
He’s going to have to make an appointment to see the specialist Dr. Burke in Toronto
by Bobby Paradise on Feb 14, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
CAN WE STILL OFFER SHEET STAMKOS?
BURKE OFFERS KABERLE AND THIS 1ST FOR OUR OLD FIRST BACK AND THEN WE OFFER SHEET THE SHIT OUT OF STAMKOS!!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 8:39 PM EST reply actions
PLAYOFFS!!!1
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We can’t offer sheet until free agency, which is after the draft, meaning that we wouldn’t need this year’s 1st rounder anyways. It’s the next 4 year’s picks that we’d need.
Certified Grabbo Lover
WOOOOOOOOOO
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t be stupid. We’re flipping this pick for Schenn 2.0.
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
But
I would turn a late first into Brayden Schenn happily…
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
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I was replying to
Birky’s:
god I hope not
I would happily trade these two picks for Schenn
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
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He ain't available
And won’t turn into more than a good second line C anyway…
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How about we just steal him? Think they’d notice?
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by torleafsfan29 on Feb 15, 2011 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
more like
snack pack for two seeds to a banana tree.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
two bananas one snack pack, the long awaited sequel to two girls one cup
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
who ever gets drafted with these two picks are the Bananas in pajamas forever
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
.....
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Made it especially for you pal.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
After much deliberation, I’ve realized that Brian Burke needs to learn a bit about the Toronto fanbase and making them accept his trades.
If this deal had been Versteeg + Lebda to Philly for a 1st and 3rd, we would all be shitting out pants with boners.
by Shield on Feb 14, 2011 8:55 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Rec’d for amusing imagery.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
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This is funny. @BlackAcesBlog mentioned it:
June 15, 1992: Traded to Buffalo by Winnipeg for Christian Ruuttu and future considerations, June 15, 1992.
August 7, 1992: Traded to Chicago by Buffalo with Buffalo’s 4th round choice (Eric Daze) in 1993 Entry Draft for Dominik Hasek, August 7, 1992.
August 10, 1992: Traded to Winnipeg by Chicago for Christian Ruuttu, August 10, 1992.
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what is this?
I’m not deciphering quickly… I know it’s a trade
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Stephane Beauregard gets traded for himself.
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lol
ok that’s weird.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
that’s hilarious
at least he can say he was worth Hasek
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
press conference
in 2 minutes?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
jonas640
Jonas Siegel
Versteeg did not ask for a trade out of Toronto.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
well
that’s nice to know.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
I guess we don’t have to boo him now.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
No
but it adds to the questions
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
indeed, now I REALLY want to know who put the ram in the ramalamadingdong
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Remember those Shane Corson / Mrs. Mogilny rumours? Maybe it’s one of those situations…
(Though hopefully not, because that’s terrible)
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t it confirmed?
When Belak punched Corson in the face and his subsequently “quit” the team
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
I never heard
that story… but it sounds viable.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if it was confirmed. But I’ve definitely hated Corson since.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
not
on Leafs TV apparently.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Homepage of the site.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
it's there
I’m also waiting on the load up
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
jonas640 Jonas Siegel
Burke: 3rd round pick has already been offered to another team in exchange for a player who can help Leafs now.
Maybe this is why?
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
umm
who the fuck would make us a playoff team if we move a 3rd rounder? Must be a bad contract… Lecavalier ?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Who knows, we’ll find out shortly I guess.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see Yzerman screwing with TB’s chemistry right now… but who knows.
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Joe, we’ll give you this snazzy new third we just got for Brad richards!
no Brian
c’mooooooon
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Help Leafs now != make them a playoff team. Thats why he used those words. ;)
If I can't be a good example, then I will just have to serve as a horrible warning...
by CancerousRocket on Feb 15, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Immediate
top line C…
Maybe boston really wants out from under Marc Savard and Burke doesn’t know he’s out for the year?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, rhetoric is important but this is getting silly.
Does Burke think his season ticket holders are thick enough to be placated by this sort of nonsense?
Wait, don’t answer that.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Same
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
@SeanFitz_Gerald: “We have not conceded the last playoff spot, nor will we,” Burke says.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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by Chemmy on Feb 14, 2011 9:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
lol
ok so… back to BAD TRADE
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
does
Peddie have his hands up Burke’s ass?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
He could just be blowing smoke, see what this third rounder turns into.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
is it loaded
for anyone else?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Nooooope
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I would, if it would load
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
it hasn't loaded
for anyone as far as I can tell.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nope
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
You bastard!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Pull the fucking trigger!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
David Koci
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
Jeff O’Neill?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Brett Lebda’s twin brother, Lett Brebda
by Goosemonster on Feb 14, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jolli Okinen.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Feb 15, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Skoula...
Grrr.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
Get ’er Done Burkie!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Just wanted to say thanks for this thread. You have kept me laughing so hard I stopped wanting to blow my brains out.
The Maple Leafs- making me certifiably insane since 1985.
by torleafsfan29 on Feb 15, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Wade Belak
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Acquiring yannick perreault is a contractual obligation of all leaf GMs.
TOMAS KABERLE: LEAF FOR LIFE
by daoust on Feb 14, 2011 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wtf
is with this non-loading media call in… obviously the media are hearing it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Now the link’s not even on the front page.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Aaaaaaaand this seems like the typical Burke.
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Burke is not going to come out and say “we give up”. Doesn’t mean they think they’ll make the playoffs
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
he didn't have to say
we haven’t conceded a playoff spot though.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
he doesn’t have to say a lot of things
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
He has a lot of trouble with this as a core concept.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
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by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
What was he supposed to say? “We’re phoning it in, you can pick up your two points at Will Call”
My degree is worthless
couldn't he have not discussed
that topic? and stuck to the trade as it is? Just said building for the future… status quo as currently organized.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
they're running the story
on Leafs TV now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
directing us
to MapleLeafs.com.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
CIRCLES
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
drag is right
as he said above… they’ve pulled the media call in link from the page.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Which makes me think back to what Siegel tweeted.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
he’s still sorting out the 3rd-for-Richards deal
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how'd you hear about that?
I thought I was the only one that knew?
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions
After this trade
The Flyers will not be picking until round 4 of the 2011 draft…I guess they’re going for it…lol.
Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!1
I would
if I was them… look at their cap situation, and the fact that Pronger isn’t getting any younger.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. They have some great young forwards, but a lot of key guys (Pronger, Timmonen, Briere) are aging. May as well make a run for it now while they have a good mix of elite veterans and solid young guys.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Dreger :
Kaberle has not been asked to waive.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
@incarceratedbob says otherwise
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Some were speculating Kabby plus was on the way out, in the last thread.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
there is speculation about Kaberle somewhere every day
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I put the odds on Kabby walking July first at about 90%, re-signing at 5%, and getting traded at about 5%.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Dangle
“Interesting Burke quote on Kaberle: “The agent here has asked for complete secrecy and silence regarding Tomas Kaberle”
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
TheFourthPeriod is reporting that Kaberle hasn’t waived. It would be hard to do that without being asked…
RUMORS!!!1
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the guy
with the connections in Kingston Pen says the opposite… who knows who to believe.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn’t asked, he called Burke and volunteered.
“oh,and my dad says FUCK YOU. Trade me.”
Truculligerestosterugnacity.
by lucc on Feb 14, 2011 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rynass is injured so Giggy is not moving. Maybe at trade deadline day
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
Thanks nhl.com i got to hear the last question.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
they pulled the link
from the Leafs page… it never let me connect.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
connected
to what?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
press call just the last question though
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
weird
anyway… good to know it’s over so I can stop trying.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
when the hell did he get injured?
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
practice?
probably.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
?
wyshynski Greg Wyshynski
by mirtle
Burke on Kaberle: The agent has asked for complete secrecy on process. Player, agent have respected that. We’ll respect it too.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
this is confusing
what process?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Way to go Burke. Kabby won’t be happy.
by Bobby Paradise on Feb 14, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
By saying its a secret
He broke the secrecy
by Bobby Paradise on Feb 14, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
the secrecy was the process and information on it, the fact that the process was a secret isnt a secret
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that there is a process is no longer a secret
by Bobby Paradise on Feb 14, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
but it wasnt the promised to be kept secret
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting. I still think odds are he walks as a UFA.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
that's what it looks like
it’s like he wants to screw the Leafs over or something (not that I blame him).
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
He said what in the what?
C’mon Burkie/Kabs/merciless hockey gods….just give us a goddamn 1C…
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
If there was a first line centre available and the Leafs had the assets to trade for him, Burke would have done it by now. He’s making trades for picks and prospects because whatever else he’s hoped for hasn’t panned out.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
The common thread in all of this will turn out to be Brett Lebda. Burke is removing all barriers between Lebda and the number one PP quarterback position that he so clearly deserves. Kaberle is next.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Kill me
NOW
Cyril: I'm not sure that's technically irony.
Archer: What? This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morissette had a baby and named it this exact situation!
“…Lebda passes to Lebda who dishes to Lebda before tripping over Lebda who puts the puck in his own net”
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ahhh technology… what was said? all I got was burke hanging up.
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
Michael_Traikos Michael Traikos
Burke said 3rd rounder is in play and would also consider moving 1st rounder.
His stance keeps changing…….
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
harder to criticize a moving target
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
really?
watch us try.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
when it comes to criticism, we be sharp shooters
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Having multiple MG42s cover the whole beachhead isn’t the same thing as sharp-shooting.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
spray and pray is a perfectly legitimate strategy
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
How has his stance changed? Because someone reported an anonymous rumour about the Leafs not moving the pick on Twitter earlier?
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure it was Mckenzie or Dreger.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t matter who it was. It was an anonymous source, not a Burke quote. Not the same thing.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t know why they wouldn’t just pause the hockey game from 93 to allow us to listen to teh presser on Leafstv. What a terrible product.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
’2067
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
This
felt like a knife being driven DEEEP into my heart.
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
I’m with Birky on this one. Versteeg wasn’t going to be around long term and Burke got a first and a 3rd for him, if he flips the third into a warm body with even the tiniest bit of upside I’m happy. Think McGran mentioned this on twitter but it bears repeating: We have 10 picks in this years draft including one in the first round.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 9:23 PM EST reply actions
he was at a Boston “restaurant”, so he was what? 4? 5 pints in when he pulled the trigger?
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
I will do as I please with my pointers
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, this was supposed to be Burke conference audio… Siegel tweeted the link. Hm
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
oh, i meant Burkie, but Jonas is in Boston too so that’s also totally possible…
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Ah yes, I forgot about that…
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
for whatever reason
Leafs weren’t enamored with Versteeg. Think they did OK in the deal.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
well
he didn’t make them better significantly this season… so I guess I can see that angle.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with you on this one Birky, and it sort of scares me.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
jonas640 Jonas Siegel
The Burke audio is listed on the same page as the Versteeg interview. There is a second tab to click to listen to Burke.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
it’s black hahaha, you can’t see anything there, many thanks man!
GWWWHAAAA!
by Mislav Xterratu Jantoljak on Feb 14, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Who's a RFA?
i think burke wants to sign an rfa this summer now that he has a 1,2,3 and a lot cap space.
Especially with the weaker FA class this summer.
Question though who is available as an RFA?
Parise
Cyril: I'm not sure that's technically irony.
Archer: What? This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morissette had a baby and named it this exact situation!
You need your own draft picks to make an offer sheet.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Offer sheets come up after the draft
Cyril: I'm not sure that's technically irony.
Archer: What? This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morissette had a baby and named it this exact situation!
His comment still doesn’t make sense.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
This trade cannot affect the Leaf’s ability to offersheet a player. The surrendered picks have to be Toronto’s own.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
The picks have to be Toronto’s own in the draft following the signing ie. next year. The Leafs are perfectly capable of offer sheeting someone like Parise.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
but now they have 2 first rounders, so they can send one off as an RFA bait without damaging the incoming prospect numbers
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yes!
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe this is one of those computer game trades where Burke was bored and made it for the hell of it.
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
They’d make more money if they made it to the playoffs..
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
incarceratedbob incarcerated bob
Curran will not tell MEDIA that his client( Kaberle )waived NTC until Burke finalizes the deal. They made this agreement last week
I don’t know whether to trust him or not, but it’s an interesting angle.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
Sounds like a goon using Kaberle’s name to direct traffic to his own Twitter feed. No reason to pay attention.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
I donno, Burtch said he knew something of some sort?
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
no
I was making a joke.
I have no fucking clue who he is… the incarceration is what led to the whole Kingston Pen comment.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahah yeah I’ve been reading his tweets he clearly doesn’t know anything.
But he surprisingly raises an interesting angle.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
So we have to assume that he’s both traded and not traded at every moment until the deadline?
The old Schroedinger clause.
The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Curious what the reaction would have been if JFJ traded away a 24 year old perennial 20 goal scorer for a late first round pick and then turned around and told the media that he hadn’t given up on the post-season, despite the team having a 0.05% chance at the post-season.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
I think there’s a huge divide between Burke’s actions and his words right now.
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.
Just right now?
The Leafs are my Rushmore
Certified Grabbo Lover and member of the PPPPP
by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Feb 14, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
(I feel like I need to take the advice you offer in your signature)
Where my heart belongs - GO LEAFS GO!
It’s better if you say it in Nate Dogg’s voice.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like when Burke says he hasn’t given up on the post-season, it’s not because he really believes that team will make it, but because he wants to send a message to the team that he still expects them to play their hardest every night.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
And dealing Versteeg for futures sends what message to the team?
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
versteeg was living in the past
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Knowing our luck, the only team that will win a draft lottery this year is Boston by way of Toronto.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
don’t forget drafting Jamie Devane with that 3rd
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oooh. Versteeg could be worth Jordan Caron and Jamie Devane!
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
I was hoping we could get another Paradis
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
27th overall
and then we could flip him… and Stalberg and DiDomenico for Kris VERSTEEG!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
AND THEN WE CAN DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
I was hoping we could get another Paradis
A man’s no better than his dreams.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
where the grass is green and the girls are pretty
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Attaching meaning to what Burke says is a fool’s errand. Judge him by his actions, cause he talks a lot of BS.
Also, twice = ‘perennial’?
My degree is worthless
Fair enough.
Burke’s made more bad choices than good and this trade is another one on the wrong side of the ledger.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
I don’t see it as necessarily bad. It’s a pretty decent return IMO. Let’s see what he does with the picks.
My degree is worthless
how is it a decent return? Leafs assume all the risk in the deal and it’s quite unlikely they’ll find a player of Versteeg’s ability with a pick in the 25-30 spot. On top of that, if they do find such a player, he likely won’t make a meaningful contribution until 2015.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Leafs clear 3M in cap room, gain a 1st and a 3rd.
And yes, we’ll have to wait on the players. I think we might actually be rebuilding.
My degree is worthless
Cap room is useless if there’s no one to sign.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Burke hates dead cap space, you can bet your sweet bippy that cap space is going to line some ones pocket
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I wouldnt mind more Lupul like deals, servicible players to flesh out the roster with good picks and prospects coming in for players who arn’t going to be around by design for the eventual push
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
so we deal away versteeg
why?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
cause he was a player who wasnt planned on being around for the inevitable push and thus brought in a first round pick that will hopefully turn into a player that is
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot believe that he would not be worth more to another team. If not more, than something we could have used a little better (prospect rather than a pick).
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
My thinking as well: he has two weeks, why pull the trigger now on a lukewarm return? There has to be a missing piece of information.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
agreed
If you can’t do better now (unless you have something else in mind for the picks, or cap-clearing), why not wait till next year? Wouldn’t he garner a higher return then?
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
so they're making MORE money
maybe this is how he sold it to the board of directors…
less salary = more profits.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
this also makes sense
when considering the lack of playoff success in recent years.
Maybe the new bottom line is pay players less.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Could be true, but it doesn’t make the deal any better.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Brad Richards
Ilya Bryzgalov, and a puck moving D man.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
there's probably
tampering going on all over the place.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Like
he wasn’t rebuilding before by trading for players under the age of 25?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
clearing 3M
in cap room sounds good, until you remember that they added over $1 mill in the Lupul deal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Over $1 mill? Beauch is at $3.8, Lupul is at $4.25, and I don’t think their replacements end up making an appreciable difference.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Sorry
I was thinking 3 vs 4+… but yeah… it’s still not a total exchange of $3 mill coming off the books… it’s more like we moved out Beauchemin and Versteeg in order to bring in Aulie, and Lupul… so $6.8 mill out, just under $5 mill in… it’s under $2 mill in savings.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Also – a winger of Versteeg’s production is not too hard to find on the FA market.
My degree is worthless
Except they’re older and more expensive. But otherwise, yeah.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
doubt that
who are you thinking of? UFA’s cost more don’t forget.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
“On July 27, 2010, Ponikarovsky signed with the Los Angeles Kings, receiving a signing bonus of $200,000 and a one-year contract for $3M.”
My degree is worthless
and he has been playing
3rd line minutes and has under 20 points.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Also, thinking long term, Versteeg should be UFA right around the time we start getting relevant, at which point his production will be more expensive than it’s worth.
My degree is worthless
But
he’s locked up only through next year… and is RFA then… which means we still controlled the purse strings.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Unless other GMs are actively expressing interest in 1st rounders to the exclusion of other assets, I don’t see the angle on pulling the trigger early for a mediocre return.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
3
in total…. career high 23 goals.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
and when he had 23 goals
he was 28 years old… wasn’t about to enter his prime a la Versteeg.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
If there are only 3 or 4 guys of a particular talent level on the free agent market, that means 26 teams aren’t getting one of them. Odds of finding a replacement for Versteeg’s points at that value are very low.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
aged 30 or under
you’ve got the likes of Ryder, Williams, Vrbata, Ponikarovsky, Frolov, Jussi Jokinen, Laich… there isn’t a lot out there. Many will re-sign…
in the end they’ll cost you $4 mill or so… possibly more.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ryder
is making $4 mill, Williams is at $3.5 mill off his RFA deal… Vrbata is making is making $2.9 mill, Frolov is making $2.8 mill…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
FLEISCHMANN!
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
injured
to close out the year… and he’s made $2.6 mill and was a ppg player for Colorado before he went down… he’ll get more like $3.5 mill this time around.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
bambarass
October 25, 1966. Thank you Lord Kelvin
by Chuck Diesel on Feb 14, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
ahh wah tah rast
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
The above are examples of:
how to spot someone who grew up around the GTA.
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
or
Jamaica.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Or Trinidad…
But mostly GTA :D
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, a 20 goal 50 point winger is extremely difficult to find on the UFA market. In another thread I listed all the 20 goal UFAs from last summer, and as I recall there were about 4 of them.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
And one of them was Kovalchuk, so that would make 3 potentially comparable to Versteeg.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Kovalchuk
was a 20 goal 50 point winger?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I meant players with AT LEAST that much production, and when I looked I only compared goals, not points, so some of them may not have even had 50 points.
by Draglikepull on Feb 14, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
well
there are guys in that range available this year in all likelihood.
More of them at least… but they wont’ be had for under $3.5 mill probably.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Leino
is someone I’d take a look at … he’s 27 years old.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Leafs assume all the risk in the deal and it’s quite unlikely they’ll find a player of Versteeg’s ability with a pick in the 25-30 spot. On top of that, if they do find such a player, he likely won’t make a meaningful contribution until 2015.
Two things here. First, when you say we wont get a player like Versteeg’s ability in the 25-30 spot you say that because he was picked 134th overall?
Second, wait isn’t getting 1st round picks gold?
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
thanks for clearing that up
"There's been four different Cup winners the last four years, and I got one of them (Anaheim) and it was a fighting team. We're playing it that way regardless." - B. Burke, Toronto Maple Leafs GM
It’s all about probabilities. From 1994 to 2009, how many perennial goal scorers got drafted out of the 25-30 spot? Five.
Getting a top five pick is gold, value depreciates quickly thereafter.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
25G, 60+P players drafted 25-30
2004 – Mike Green
2003 – Corey Perry
2000 – Justin Williams
1999 – Marin Havlat
1998 – Scott Gomez
1997 – Brendan Morrow
1996 – Danny Briere
1993 – Todd Bertuzzi
1991 – Ray Whitney, Ziggy Palffy, Sandis Ozolinsh
That’s it going back 20 years.
Certified Grabbo Lover
After that, there were some pluggers and also-rans like Cheechoo, Cogliano, Berglund, Downie, and a bunch of nobodies and never was’s.
Certified Grabbo Lover
Yeah, I was going to comment on the fact that Versteeg has never scored 25G, nor 60P, but I’m not sure there’s much point in looking.
Knowing me, I might just do it anyway.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
WILD THEORY:
MAYBE PHILLY NEEDED CAP SPACE AND REALLY NEEDED PICKS SO THEY’RE GOING TO TRADE JVR FOR THEIR FIRST
:|
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Now don’t you go asking obvious questions. We don’t do that around here.
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Oh don’t think I was mocking you, for the caps. I was just keeping the sarcasm theme going….Or trying too….Probably failed miserably….fail
If you look up "Loyalty" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of a Leafs fan wearing a Todd Gill jeresy looking like he just got punched in the stomach
Flyers woudn't give us JVR
Burke asked for James Van R in return for Versteeg (image of his mouth guard dangling from his mouth) but the Flyers wouldn’t let him go…so Burke settles on the draft picks…sort of a desperation move in my opinion…are the Leafs rebuilding or trying to get in the playoffs???
drove by the fork in the road and went straight
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Burke says that for the third round pick potential deal, he’ll be taking on salary, according to the conference call.
And it’s a forward!
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well who else do you expect to fill Colton Orr’s role?
by potvin vs hextall on Feb 14, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
The rights to Alexei Yashin’s buyout!
by Ben Schnell on Feb 14, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
BAHAHA
Rec’d!
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
Digression alert
be great if the next CBA permitted teams to trade buy-out obligations.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Am I the only one thinking this is one of those times where there is 1000+ comments bashing this deal and speculating, meanwhile it will turn out that Burke makes another deal or something and all of this ends up being pointless?
Search the archives. That gets said about a lot of Leaf deals.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Look Around You
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
TSN’s TradeCentre show is looking to be a big dud at this rate, because Burke will make all the trades and there will be nothing else left to do ;)
Phil Kessel says YAAAAAAAAAYYYYY!!!1
You mean horrified? Disgusted? Suicidal even? Certainly not entertained.
by Bobby Paradise on Feb 14, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
He's funny in small doses.
I don’t think I’d be able to handle him if he did all my team’s games, though.
Hey, an out is an out - unless you're Mario, in which case it's probably two outs. -UtesFan89
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
Went away to Leafland for a day. It was nice, even though they lost. And I became a Certified Grabbo Lover.
You ever see Wrath of Khan?
Yeah. Pierre Mc-Mothafucking-Ceti-Eels-McGuire.
He rots my brain.
by 300 Stitches on Feb 14, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
God I hope he’s the next GM of the Sens.
by Mirinov's Nose on Feb 14, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
still got the day off for it. this will be 10 years in a row.
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 14, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
nice
wish school would get us a day off
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Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
gettin up at 5am though is kinda rough for it. usually nap on the couch though for the first few hours as nothings happening
by Nigel Cadbury on Feb 14, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Still fucking hate this trade. At least we have 24 million to spend in free agency this year. What defensemen are available?
Not Liking Nikolai Kulemin Means You Have No Soul
Some guy Kaberle.
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Pitkanen, Greene,
Hamrlik, Jovanovski, Hannan, McCabe, Brewer, Bieksa, Phillips, Salo, Wisniewski, Ehrhoff… noticing a lot of Ex Canucks here.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ian White
Steve Staios, Jan Hejda, Hal Gill, Shane O’Brien, Steve Montador, Kent Huskins
There’s actually a lot of names I wouldn’t mind.
I’d pay Hejda for sure… and Gill… and Montador… and White…
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Jonathan Ericsson
is UFA in Detroit… weird.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Peter Harrold
is UFA in LA… also weird.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
yes
but cheaper… key thing to me here is they’ll be cheaper… we’ve got our top 2 D in cost locked in as Komi and Phaneuf… Schenn will get up there… so we can’t add more big dollars on the back end… it’s not worth it.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
not worth it? you mean like “$4.5M getting you 8 minutes a night” not worth it?
WAIVE KOMISAREK.
TOMAS KABERLE: LEAF FOR LIFE
Ok
so we waive Komisarek at the end of the year… AND Lebda? and have them play with Finger for the Marlies?… and bring in 2-3 cheap vets?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Do we really want our young goalies getting shelled in the AHL?
Not Liking Nikolai Kulemin Means You Have No Soul
sure
better to be shelled by AHL shooters than NHL shooters.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
or we go full on kids and bring up Gysbers, maybe sign Lashoff for dirt cheap
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
There are a few goaltenders available, too. It’s just the forward depth that sucks…
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
So, y’know…what we need.
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by Bower Power on Feb 14, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
well top end offensive talent
is rare… so teams lock it up… D is apparently more prevalent.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
we should be
signing D men cheap… and Goalies… and drafting for offensive skill more than anything else.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
going to do HW. I’m expecting you guys to make enough noise to let me know if we trade someone else. Bye and Go Leafs!
I want to be a Toronto Maple Leaf forever - Phil Kessel
Certified Grabbo lover. GET WELL SOON, SID
The universe moves depending on where Sidney Crosby is on the ice - IHeartPenguins
http://www.640toronto.com/Blogs/EatSleepLeafs/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10205183
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Man, I like you.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
this is Versteeg's reaction
not the burke conference presser is it?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Click on the black button on the right under the media player thing.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
There’s another tab for the brian burke one. It’s a weird setup.
I write about the Leafs. Also, goalie fights.
http://www.garyrobertsbabyeater.blogspot.com/
by Gary Roberts: Baby Eater on Feb 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
he wasn't given a chance?
because his line with Phil and Bozak didn’t work? lol
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
gotcha
ty… this whole thing is strange.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
@Dallas_Dave #Leafs are very active. Just heard from non-Leaf, but high ranking official from other team, “I’d be shocked if Kaberle isn’t moved”. #Leafs, out of respect for Kaberle, are trying to keep it as quiet as possible.
Blah blah “sources say,” but I don’t even know what to make of this any more. Is it March 1 yet?
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
High ranking officials from other teams
want Kaberle traded… this isn’t news.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
High ranking officials from other teams
want Kaberle tradedto their team… this isn’t news.
FIXED
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
That’s correct. These are rumors. Not even good rumors, but I like the idea that we’re not done with these two trades.
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by Bower Power on Feb 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Weird
is thinking back to who was on the team when Burke came in.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
well who is even left? Schenn, Kulie…..
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Kaberle
Reimer?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, Kaberle, but I dont think any other than him Schenn and Kulemin were playing for the Leafs before Burke came in
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Grabo
was brought in by Fletcher.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Not much is left from the pre-Burke years:
Schenn, Kulemin, Kaberle, Grabovski and Gunnarsson.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
and
4 of those guys are in our top 5 players… not looking good for Burke.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
eh, id be more worried if the guys he got rid of were by far better than what he kept
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Still
you’d probably want to think Kessel, Bozak, Versteeg, Phaneuf, Gustavsson, Giguere, etc. would be leading the team?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well, not Versteeg….
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by Bower Power on Feb 14, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
ok but
Kessel, Phaneuf, Gustavsson/Giguere?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, yes, no, no. Gustavsson was a prospect, high gamble. Giguere was the Toskala/Blake ditch.
Kessel, yes, but I do like to take his linemates into consideration, and Phaneuf was facing some pretty tough competition he probably shouldn’t have…
BUT, for those two, while those are things to take into consideration, I’d say yeah, they should still be clear leaders in counting stats on this team.
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by Bower Power on Feb 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
right
which is part of the problem with Burke’s team so far.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
So far, yes, but neither is scrap-bin fodder just yet. 23 and 25 years of age respectively.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
true enough
though Phaneuf went from top scoring D man since the lockout to guy with 2 goals.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty perturbed by a few aspects of Phaneuf’s game, but his shooting percentage is bound to come up.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Phaneuf’s stiff as a board. Idon’t see much upside to his game. Plenty of time to impress but but he’s still got to many wrinkles. Think this was a bad aquisition and to make him captain was just an awful decision.
by Jack rides ducks on Feb 15, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
I want to think a lot of things
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Right. It’s not like he’s moved out anyone who we’ve really thought “oh, man, he got away.”
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by Bower Power on Feb 14, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
until
now.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
oh and
you could say… Seguin.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
was never a leaf, no countsis!
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
so did this trade
I just don’t know what to make of it… and I find the whole thing weird.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
me too.
makes me think Burke is gonna flip these picks.
by Jack rides ducks on Feb 15, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Gunnarsson
was brought over by Burke btw.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I know JFJ
drafted him… but Burke signed him to his first Leaf contract.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
“we’re excited about adding a 1st round pick”…. “July 1st is our draft day”.
Does Burke think this trade lets him get free agents before everyone else? Is he confused about the free agency process?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
Heres something I just pierced together. Last year during that brutal slump, Burke said that he would change over the roster instead of firing the coach. It clearly didn’t work, does this mean Burke thinks its still the player and that there couldn’t possibly be a problem with the coaching?
Not Liking Nikolai Kulemin Means You Have No Soul
I’m fairly confident that current coaching is gone in the offseason.
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by Bower Power on Feb 14, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
well
I don’t think versteeg was the problem … but you can’t move Phaneuf, Komisarek, Giguere, and Kessel due to their contracts (not that you’d move Kessel)… but yeah… that’s kind of some of the issue.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well Giguere is gone at the end of the year. Or so I hope. Run with the young guys.
Not Liking Nikolai Kulemin Means You Have No Soul
They've been running with the young guys
maybe they should run with the young D and ignore Komi and Lebda… just play Aulie, Holzer, Mikus, etc.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Man, once Kabby is gone seeing Lebda leading the PP is going to be horrible. So all I ask is Burke keep Kaberle until Wednesday at the very least.
Not Liking Nikolai Kulemin Means You Have No Soul
The 28th would be a better time to deal him in that case.
No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise.
by article1 on Feb 14, 2011 11:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken
Komi has a NMC. Would you just sit him in the press box for 4.5 Mil?
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not commenting on whether it’s a good trade or not, but I just want to point out:
If Philly’s first is anything less than 25th I’ll be shocked, and right now with the addition of Chris Versteeg, I look at the Flyers and I just cant think of how any team in the NHL can beat them (in particular, how can any team take 4 of 7). I thought the Flyers were stacked before this trade, and they just added a guy who can go 20/50 from the third line.
I’m calling it now, this pick is going to be 30th overall.
right, and edmonton has 2 first round picks of their own this year
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
should we stop using the 1st
2nd 3rd etc rankings for picks?
Just say top 10, 10-20, 20-40, 40-80, etc.?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. But like someone said earlier, this makes sense if we are looking at a full blown rebuild. And I think, in moving Beauch and Versteeg Burke doesnt expect this group to be competitive for another 3-5 years. Also, we can use this cap space to re-sign Macarthur.
Also, while you can look at the picks / cap space and think “Jamie Devane / Mike Komisarek”, you can also say " Francois Beauchemin / Jesse Blacker." MLSE now shells out big money for scouting / development. I’m optimistic.
nope
you’d be amongst the larger group.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm."
- Sir Winston Churchill
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Leafs.
by Steve Burtch on Feb 14, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, when I heard the Versteeg rumours I was banking on it being part of a larger trade to get that first line center. So yeah, majorly sour.
Not Liking Nikolai Kulemin Means You Have No Soul
Stamkos 10 years 11 Mil
Thats a terrible idea. Look at Vinny….
I am drinking the Kule-aid!
Certified Kule lover!
its a great idea! we’ll only be paying him 1.1 a year!
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Vinny aint no Stamkos.
Plus this contract would take Stamkos to the age of 31.
PLUS this would be cap circumvention probably.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
only if its front loaded by a fuckton and his cap hit is less than 7
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it depends on the contract structure. If it’s frontloaded to the point that cap hit is around 8 mil it would be.
Would any player even be worth a 8+ cap hit? Stamkos is no Crosby.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think you all may be taking this plan of mine a little to seriously. I hopes the ridiculousnes of the idea would make the joke apparent, as well as the all caps.
Stamkos is probably worth 8-9
he will get at least Malkin money
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Stamkos is probably worth 8-9
So you’re saying Burke pays him 20?
Shoebacca - the PK Wookie
by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think it was one of the Flyers that messed with Versteeg’s car
I'm building a beautiful statue, to make sure that no one forgets you
The other 40% are arson-related Habs fans.
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by Bower Power on Feb 14, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Plan the Riot?
Kulemin so hot right now, Kulemin.
I'm giving Twitter another go
by PassivelyTruculent on Feb 14, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
except the fires, those are habs fans
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
And that’s in Toronto.
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
1. Briere 2. Carter 3. Leino 4. Giroux 5. Hartnell 6. Richards 7. Versteeg 8. Van Riemsdyk 9. Zherdev
1. Pronger 2. Timmonen 3. Coburn 4. Mezaros 5. O’Donnel
Stacked.
Baring some sort of crazy injury trouble, is there any team anyone would take bet on to beat the Flyers now?
Vancouver could probably give them a good run, better goaltending and their top three forwards are stronger. But Philly is scary deep.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Hartnell will run the shit out of Luongo
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Was just typing something to that effect. The Flyers will crash the bejesus out of Luongo. You want to beat them you better have some serious fucking defensmen (or tough forwards who can still play) on your team.
yup, Vancouver has the fire power and good enough goaltending to hang with anyone, for a short time, but Philly is built to destroy a team like Van in a best of 7
Rule #20
by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
More Canucks woes.
Andrew Alberts has a broken wrist.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 10:52 PM EST reply actions
Komisarek for a conditional 6th, if they dont win the cup, its a 7th
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
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He was traded for a 3rd round pick!
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
SeanFitz_Gerald SeanFitz_Gerald
RT @HennyTweets Leafs now with 10 picks in the 2011 draft: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 3 6th round picks and 2 picks in the 7th round.
I like that Burke has stockpiled on draft picks. Whether or not we end up selecting 10 players in the draft, it never hurts to have these assets to flip during the draft.
Dave's a killer!
'(Hockey) It's a slippery game played on ice.' - Punch Imlach
by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 10:55 PM EST reply actions
he’ll definitely move picks, probably just to get say another 2nd round pick by trading the third and a 6th or two or something
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
If it puts him in position to draft another Brad Ross type player, I’m cool with that
...rely a bit to heavily on alcohol and irony...
by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
his plan probably is to move up in the 1st round, I bet he has his eye on someone who is looking to go mid pack
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Even better.
Aren’t people saying that this draft class doesn’t have much differentiating the top dozen or so prospects?
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
there is a distinct top 4, that could go in any order and then there is another 7-10 players who are jumbled up
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
So there is a possibility that the guy the Leafs scouts have ranked fifth could be available 12-15? Sound like a great situation to be able to trade up into.
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
something like that, that’s just the vague layout ive gotten round the net, it could be right, it could be way off
except the legit top 4, Larsson, Coutourier, Nugent-hopkins and Landeskog are pretty much locked, with Ryan Murphy having an outside shot
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 14, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well no, I’d say the top 5 are pretty well set.
Larsson, Landeskog, Couturier, Nugent-Hopkins, Hamilton in some order like that.
Ryan Murphy and Ryan Strome COULD potentially break in, but I doubt the top 5 changes.
After it’s almost a crapshoot. A few guys projected to go mid-late I like are:
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Are?
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh woops hahah, thought I put em in.
Baertschi, Jenner, Strome, Puempel, Catenacci to name a few…
I’ve seen Jenner at 7th overall and I’ve seen Jenner at 21st overall. I’ve seen Strome, Barschi and Puempel fluxuating and I’ve seen Cat left out of the first all together.
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I mentioned mainly OHL players because I can’t say I really know much about the Q, US or Euro prospects.
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting. I know nothing about undrafted prospects, but from what I’ve heard, it does seem possible that a player the Leafs scouts really like could be available several spots lower. With the pieces they have they could move up to get somebody they really like.
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Jamieson Oleksiak
If he’s available we grab him and run!
Cyril: I'm not sure that's technically irony.
Archer: What? This is like O. Henry and Alanis Morissette had a baby and named it this exact situation!
We have a first rounder + 9 other picks, therefore in a position to move up.. Who are some choices? The nice part about the middle of this years draft is that talent may not be top-end, but it’s all pretty consistent.
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Cowen is a cheap-shotting sack of suck.
Dave's a killer!
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 11:24 PM EST reply actions
Not that Finger!
I have not seen anyone comment on the fact that James Reimer broke his finger in practice. This is bad. Very Bad.
by Raja Pakkomielle on Feb 14, 2011 11:29 PM EST reply actions
Rynnas**
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by happiergilmore on Feb 14, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
phew.
"I’ve been studying this and I’m pretty sure this is how it breaks down: 'You are allowed one team: The Leafs. In some cases, you can also root for a second team: The Leafs'"
-Cornelius Hardenbergh
Scrivens time. His name makes me think of a Dickens character.
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
It was the best of times and the worst of times … I for one of how Ron Wilson pronounces “Juicy Ruin Us”
by Raja Pakkomielle on Feb 14, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times?
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 14, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
“Bring in the bottled lightning, a clean tumbler, and a corkscrew.” Charles Dickens
by Raja Pakkomielle on Feb 14, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
I thought
Rynnas broke Jeff Finger. This makes more sense.
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
What a thread to wake up to.
I’d comment more, but I don’t think there is much to add.
Oh, you better believe that's a paddling.
Same thing I was thinking. Let's you and me talk!
I gotta think Burke did this deal because there is another deal about to take place. He said he offered the 3rd already, so he must be bringing back a legitimate top 6 forward.
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Burke actually said he’s offered the 3rd round pick for a roster player.
Last year at the trade deadline a 3rd round pick was enough to land Andrew Alberts.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
sorry...
who?
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
but
let’s say they package the third rounder with Kaberle. The pick coming as compensation to regain their 1st + (pick a name) Wheeler from boston. Bare bones idea looks like this.
Kaberle to Boston (Burke won’t do without recovering 1st)
1st to Toronto (P-Chi won’t do without some kind of pick compensation)
just a random, hopeful thought. (Of course, I don’t want Kabs to go.)
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s say martians land on earth and give everyone a lifetime supply of creme brulee.
Bitter Leaf Fan: Skepticism, not cynicism.
Isn't twitter supposed to be a way to communicate quickly?
I’ve got mapleleaffsff and there’s a picture with this label:
In this Dec. 30, 2010, file photo, Toronto Maple Leafs forward Kris Versteeg, right, skates
Can’t they just say something like “Versteeg skating?”
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 12:25 AM EST reply actions
Just FYI, since I was interested.
19 FWDs on Hockeysfuture are graded as 8.0 or better. 15 when you take out EDM. 13 if you cut out Seguin and B. Schenn.
NYR has 3, CLB, STL, ATL 2. BOS, MIN, VAN, PIT, 1.
Filatov, Johansen, Schwartz, Tarasenko, Pitlick, Grandlund, Hodgson, Colborne, Kreider, Stepan, Grachev, Tangradi, Burmistrov, Esposito.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
Yeah, Kadri is rated 8.0C
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 15, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Kadri should be on the list, as hockeysfuture has him rated at 8.0C
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by My Poor Friend Me on Feb 15, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t count him, as we aren’t likely to trade for our own asset.
This is where a witty signature might go.
This is where a witty signature might go on drugs.
The only way I can make sense of this deal is if Versteeg didn’t want to be here. Then we just got our compensation a year early.
A Nation of Masochists
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing - Vince Lombardi
Or...
clearing cap to send a message to a big-name soon to be UFA?
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by danishmarshmallow on Feb 15, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
The big news here
Is that I’ve only got a blank Leafs road jersey. I was looking to get a home jersey of a player I thought was underrated. A Versteeg jersey had the inside track.
Now, I don’t know what the hell I’m going to do. I’d go Clarkey Mark, but who knows if he’s going to stick around. Now leaning towards Aulie.
http://ca.movember.com/mospace/718288/
by McCabe the Martyr on Feb 15, 2011 5:57 AM EST reply actions
DAMMIT
DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT.
DAMMIT.
I DON’T EVEN CARE THAT I’M IN CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.
OR THAT I’M MISSPELLING DAMNIT.
DAMMIT!
I'm not a bandwagon Colts fan. I was there when Jeff George got drafted. That mustache still haunts my nightmares.
How does being third in scoring among left-wingers on a team make you “clearly not a third-liner”? Which of MacArthur or Kulemin should he have played ahead of to make him NOT a third-line player? Of course, it’s a loaded jab that doesn’t truly tell the tale – still, it’s a fact that on this team he was a third-line player, and almost certainly deserved to be.
Welcome
Thanks for joining. To answer your question;
Which of MacArthur or Kulemin should he have played ahead of to make him NOT a third-line player?
Assuming you watch the Maple Leafs you’ll know that while both are listed as LWs they also play on the same line and have done so all year. So Versteeg is really the second highest scoring ACTUAL LW. Also, you could read the post and see that he plays the fourth most ice-time among forwards or that he plays the second hardest competition.
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That’s a stretch.
And Kulemin and MacArthur have played together only about 70% of the time, five on five.
I did read the post. To use the evidence you posted and say that it’s “ignorant” to say he’s a third-liner is overstretching your argument – to the point that you sound like you’re ranting, rather than analyzing the facts.
4th in ice time for for all Leaf forwards, meaning there are only three more (one whole line) getting more ice time than he was
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by JaredFromLondon on Feb 15, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
To use the evidence you posted and say that it’s "ignorant" to say he’s a third-liner is overstretching your argument – to the point that you sound like you’re ranting, rather than analyzing the facts.
Ha, yes, the notorious ranting tactic of using facts to prove a point.
Which part is the stretch? The facts I posted or the suggestion that the 30% five-on-five time that Kulemin and MacArthur don’t play together is all the proof you need that Versteeg is a third liner?
Anyway, you can parrot what you’re told or look at the facts. Either way’s fine by me.
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